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Your life will be 17 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 1: changed when you kill your first name with with a stick, 18 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: because will go this can happen and and I believe 19 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: that that when that happens, and some for some people 20 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: took me a few years before I did. But when 21 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: that happens, I don't know that you ever got back. 22 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: I despise the game of golf, so I can't believe 23 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: me bringing this up on the Barony Magazine podcast. But 24 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: you hear you hear people talking about golf how it's 25 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: like this game you never perfect, you know, you just 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: keep working. And that's what people that have nothing else 27 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: to do in their life choose to do when they 28 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: want to be golfers. But traditional arches like that, it's like, 29 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: no matter how long you've done it, you're you still 30 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: have to be on your a game. My name is 31 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. 32 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,919 Speaker 1: I'll also be your host into the world of hunting 33 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: the icon in the Northern Rikan Wilderness. We'll talk about tactics, 34 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: gear conservation, but will also bring you into some of 35 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: the wildest country on the planet Chasing Bearer. On this 36 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: episode of the Bear Hunting Magazine Podcast, we're still in 37 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: the wild places of British Columbia, Canada with Jeff Lander 38 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: and Primitive Outfitting we're talking with Jeff, but also his 39 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: good buddy and now my good buddy, Dave. Keeper Dave 40 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: is an Alaskan resident in a lifelong traditional archer. So 41 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: Dave talks about hunting Alaska, hunting brown bears. But we 42 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: really just kind of have a camp fire, you know, 43 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: roundtable discussion of traditional archery, why we do it, the 44 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: self imposed limitations of traditional archery, and just lots of 45 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: general great discussion. Jeff talks about a hunt that he 46 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: and a were on just that week. I also want 47 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: to bring your tension to some of our good buddies 48 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: at the Western Bear Foundation. Western Bear Foundation is based 49 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: out of Cody, Wyoming. These guys are hunters and they 50 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: are in the heat of and in the at the 51 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: epicenter of the the issues revolving around bears out west, 52 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: and they're taking a big stance and in the Western 53 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: Bear Foundation is rewriting the narrative for how hunters are 54 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: involved inside of the bear world. As you guys know, 55 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of hype, a lot 56 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: of negative stuff going on with the de listing of 57 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: the grizzly bear out in the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem. Well, 58 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: Joe con Dellis and the Western Bear Foundation are right 59 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: in the heat of it. They're they're a nonprofit organization, 60 00:03:55,080 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: a membership driven nonprofit organization, and they're standing up up 61 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: for hunters. And the way that I would describe them 62 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: inside of rewriting the narrative is that they're actually doing 63 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: things that are keeping bears on the landscape. They're using 64 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: the funds that they have currently for two projects. Last summer, 65 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: they installed bear proof bear proof food containers in some 66 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: of the hotspot camping regions in the area. And basically 67 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: they're saying, Hey, we don't want bears getting in trouble 68 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: here and then have to be killed. We don't want 69 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: them to be euthanized. They're putting their money where their 70 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: mouth is to keep bears on the landscape, and that's 71 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: what hunters do. The other place that they're putting money 72 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: in right now is that they're buying callers for research projects. 73 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: They're funding research in UH in the Greater Yellowstone region 74 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: and and basically what they're the message that we're sending 75 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: to the anti hunt in community, those that are against 76 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: our lifestyle and way of life and way of thinking, 77 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: is that they're saying, hey, we're interested in bears on 78 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: the landscape. We are interested in bears thriving in this ecosystem, 79 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: and we're hunters. And uh, the Western Bear Foundation great organization. 80 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: Check them out, become a member, and uh, you know, 81 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: here's the truth. If you remember the Western Bear Foundation, 82 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna get Bear Hunting magazine sent to your house 83 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: six times a year. So it's a great way to 84 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: get Bear Honey magazine, but also support a great nonprofit 85 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: that is doing some stuff out west for bears. So 86 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: we are in British Columbia, Canada. We're at the at 87 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: the world headquarters of Primitive Outfitting with Jeff Lander, and 88 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: we've got Jeff's good buddy and now my good buddy 89 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: Dave Keeper here and uh, this is the this is 90 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: the sixth day that I've been here Jeff, and we've 91 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: had a incredible time. Saw big bears every day, put 92 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: stocks on big bears every day. The only complaint I 93 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: have about British Columbia is, uh, inconsistent wind. I don't 94 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: know if there's any way you could Is there anything 95 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: you could do about that? Hunting next to the railroad 96 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: when these trains are going by, the wind is going 97 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: the way they're going, or culverts or culverts when I 98 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: was went, that's another that's another story. Culvert wind has 99 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: to go through. Man, I've already dug as a hole. 100 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: We can't get out of stalk to bear through a 101 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: culvert a few days ago. Now, hey, we're gonna talk 102 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: about traditional archery. Jeff. Jeff is a long time hardcore 103 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,559 Speaker 1: traditional archer and Dave as well as a long time 104 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: hardcore traditional archer. These guys have a wealth of experience 105 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: and knowledge and sick excess and just so that's really 106 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: what we're talking about, because right now, what I see 107 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: inside of the hunting world, it's people looking for different 108 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: ways to enjoy the resource, different ways to to challenge 109 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: themselves inside of hunting. And you know, when I was 110 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: growing up in the nineties, that's kind of when I 111 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: came of age to hunt. Killing a deer with a 112 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: compound bow, Dave was a big deal. I was only 113 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: kidding my school that had ever done it. And uh 114 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: and at the and when my dad was in the 115 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: seventies started hunting with compounds and stuff. I mean, he 116 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: was the only guy in his town killing deer consistent 117 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: with a bow and so like that was a big 118 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: enough challenge, you know. And then man, by the late 119 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: nineties early two thousand's, everybody and their daughter was killing 120 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: deer with compound bows. I mean, people just became better hunters, 121 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: technology became better. And that is when I was introduced 122 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: to traditional archery by a gentleman that is to this 123 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: day a mentor to me. And uh. He talked about 124 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: hunting with trad bow on public land in Arkansas, and 125 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: I remember just thinking that's the way bow hunt ought 126 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: to be done and from a personal standard. And I 127 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: think that's something that we can't do, is tell somebody 128 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: else what they're supposed to do. We we just gotta 129 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: be true to what we want to get out of hunting, 130 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: you know. And uh, and so my journey was, and 131 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: I'm not here to talk about me, but you know, 132 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: over the course of fifteen years kind of transition to 133 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: now where really my primary weapon is usually going to 134 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: be a traditional bow, even though I still use compounds, 135 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: still use a rifle some But Jeff, to tell me 136 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: about your your you talked about it a little bit 137 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: this morning, but like you're history into and how you 138 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: got into trad bow hunting. Yeah, I mean I was, 139 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: I did a little bit with the compound for a 140 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: few years and really enjoyed it. I don't really remember 141 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: who got me into the compound. That was back in 142 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: the Martin days, the overdraw, you know, the sixteens, which 143 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: a lot of kids these days would But and then 144 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: I worked at it. When I was in Seattle, I 145 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: worked for a UM, a place called Salvino Sports. Dick 146 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: Salvino was good friends with her friends with Schaeffer, Sean 147 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: Schaeffer's bows. I was pretty opinionated, as most traditional guys, 148 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: traditional shooters are pretty opinionated about what they shoot and uh, 149 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: and so I started at his brain shooting his well, 150 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: his Schaeffer, and then another guy named Rocky Miller, who's 151 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: no longer making bows UM Heritage Archery, was shooting his bows. 152 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: And then I just ended up buying one. So at 153 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: first it was a little bit of peer pressure from 154 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, my boss, just for fun, and then it 155 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: became enjoyable. Started shooting some three D shoots and the 156 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: summertimes realized what what heat does to a recurve bow, 157 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: you know, a hundred degree weather down eastern Washington laminated 158 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 1: my bow before yeah, well, first shot at the at 159 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: the range it eliminated. So yeah, um, and then just 160 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: kind of went from there, you know, with college and 161 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: and and success didn't start off right away, you know 162 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: what I mean, Unlike the compound. It was frustrating, but 163 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: just kind of stuck with it. We had little babies, 164 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: so it wasn't like I was going on a lot 165 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: of hunts. But yeah, and then just what did you 166 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: what drew you to that challenge, to that level of 167 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: challenge because you could have stuck with a compound mm hmm, 168 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. Just uh, the simple how simple it was, simplicit. 169 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: And then making you know, arrows and splicing feathers and 170 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: even made my own self bow a few times. Yeah, 171 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: I didn't work out real well. I don't have that 172 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: craftsmanship like a lot of these guys do else. But yeah, 173 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: that's kind of how it started. And then I started 174 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: shooting the North American Longbow Safari. And there's a guy 175 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: in uh up in Alberta, Bert Frey Link's name, and 176 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: he was the leader of our group. And I didn't 177 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: know that it was a broadhead only shoot and wood arrows, 178 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: and so I showed up to this thing. I just 179 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: had whatever aluminum arrows and this guy gave me like 180 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: eight beautifully crafted cedar arrows with spliced feathers and a 181 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: hundred ninety grain grizzlies on it. And yeah, so the 182 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: community is also what attracted me. It's just a real 183 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: tight knit community um like minded folks. So that's kind 184 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: of how it started. And then yeah, I just went 185 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: from a progression of you know, the first long bow 186 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: I bought from Rocky was eighty pounds. I figured you 187 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: have to have similar to what my compound was. And 188 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: then and uh, and then went into sell bulls like 189 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: John Strunk, and so I kind of went down that 190 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: road for a while. Yea, the name of your outfit 191 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: is Primitive Outfitting. So I mean you you you like 192 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: the idea of traditional archery, just kind of the philosophy 193 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: of it, but as a as a business owner also 194 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: like compounds. Yeah, we gotta have compound guys in here. Yeah. Yeah, 195 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: and I don't mind rifles either. So hey introduced Dave 196 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: to us. I know he could do a good job, 197 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: but I bet you could do better. I met Dave. 198 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: Dave came up or came down from Alaska to hunt grizzlies, 199 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: and that was probably ten years ago. I taught Dave 200 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: everything he knows about running the river, and uh so 201 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: we were flowing the river. I'd never really wait a minute, 202 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: are we inside of an inside joking? Okay, okay, it's 203 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: the other way around. So so Dave and I were 204 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: we were going down the river and I had really 205 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: never navigated a river with a raft. Here gap on 206 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: my one of the rivers area, and I was taking 207 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: his hat off. I was just I'm blowdowns and he pulled. 208 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: He says, get over to the side, and I get 209 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: to the side and he he gives me the quick 210 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: Alaska rundown. I'm tired of losing his sitcat. So you 211 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: took You were like, okay, Mr outfitter, let me drive 212 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: this boat. Well, it became immediate apparent that the guy, 213 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: you know, I just couldn't drive a boat, you know, 214 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: down the river. And uh it got to the point 215 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: where every willows ree along that river was it was 216 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: a target, you know. I mean, it was fun, but 217 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: I lost an outstanding hat on that. Don't worry about it. 218 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: I agree it. Uh So, yeah, that's kind of how 219 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: it worked. And we had a good, good hunt. He 220 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: had an opportunity, very big, grizzly and that's for another day. 221 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: But then it ends up that he hunted with me. 222 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: I don't even know if two or three times in 223 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: the Edmonton bosone or more in the same down in 224 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: in my mule deer camp. And that buckets above your 225 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: head right now is one that he shot. And then 226 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: he came here a few years ago. Uh did you 227 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: come here two or three years in a row? I 228 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: don't even remember one or two? And then um yeah, 229 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: then last ye took a year off when he had 230 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: some some heart work done, and which is a miracle 231 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: in itself that he's sitting here right now. Um, still cranky, 232 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: but we're glad he's still kicking around. Yeah, giving me 233 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: a hard time. Yeah, yeah, but he's a he's a 234 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: veteran traditional mark big time, yeah, big time. Yeah. David, 235 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: Why don't you introduce yourself just a little a little 236 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: bit of history. How how old are you, David? Well, 237 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: I'm now, yeah, And uh I started, Uh, I didn't 238 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: have a choice. First off, when I started, it was 239 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: long bows and recurves. You it was that good. Yes, 240 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: it was long bows and recurves only. And I didn't 241 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: have a choice. Back in the sixties, well, it was 242 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven. Yeah, that's the first year I bought 243 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: a license. And uh, you know, how old would you 244 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: been then? No one, no, no, I was let's see, 245 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: I'm not doing a math. I was just guessing you're 246 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: a teenager. Yeah, I was still in high school. And uh, 247 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: you know I was pretty born in nineteen o three. 248 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: It might look that way, but yeah, there we go. Okay, 249 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: got the math right now? Now you got it? Yeah? Good? 250 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: But anyway, that's uh, it's it's a good are Uh. 251 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: The thing about traditional archery is I didn't have a choice, 252 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: and I was lucky because there wasn't a compound in 253 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: in uh, in the choosing of anything. It was just 254 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: simple pick up. If you wanted to be a bow hunter, 255 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: you shot a traditional art right. And I remember to 256 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: this day my cousin and another friend of mine were 257 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: instrumental in getting me started in high school. And we 258 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: had a place in Minnesota called Fort Ripley, so we 259 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: got ready for it to hunt fort Ripley. And I 260 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: remember that night before opening day sharpening broadheads for hours 261 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: and hours, and I had gone through herders to buy 262 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: my broadheads mail order catalog for those under Yeah, I've 263 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: just heard hearsay of it. Yeah it's uh, it's I 264 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: don't know who wounds it now, but uh, it was 265 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: the only source I had for buying traditional or any 266 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: kind of archery gear. And I had ordered some broadheads 267 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: and they were called herders Ramax broadheads. Well it must 268 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: have been made a pot steel because you could not 269 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: get him sharp For hours and hours, I practiced sharpening 270 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: at the camp fire. Finally my cousin said, here, here's 271 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: a bunch of delta's. Put them on there and they're 272 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: worth chefs and sharpen them. And I did that until 273 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: four o'clock and where when we had to get up 274 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: to go hunting. And uh, it was a learning experience, 275 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: but it also taught me that good gear was very 276 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: important and and uh, you know it just blossomed from there. 277 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,239 Speaker 1: So what was your first traditional animal? What was your 278 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: first animal that you took? A forty two pound fawn? 279 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: Yeah that you're just a small target man, that's harder 280 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: and killing the big one. And I hit him when 281 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: he was running through the heart. I was just, you know, 282 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: plumb unconscious. Luck But now it's forty How did you 283 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: learn to shoot? Did you? I mean, did you just 284 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: there was probably very little resource about it, like form 285 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: and how you just started shooting it. Absolutely none. I 286 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: mean there wasn't anything, no social media. I just I 287 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: picked the bow up. We bought it, uh forty seven 288 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 1: pound Ben Pearson, and I'm where I lived to where 289 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: I could practice the bowl. It was kind of I 290 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: mean city type area in Minnesota, and I'd have to 291 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: ride my bike for two miles to come to these 292 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: bales in the park and I did it every day 293 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: after school, every everything. You were kind of mesmerized with 294 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: the ball. I loved it, you know, I mean I 295 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: had no idea what yardage was, just shooting it. Just shoot. 296 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Did you find that the 297 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: native form that you began to use was correct? Yeah, 298 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: I've been lucky. I started with a merridy and draw, 299 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: which is one thing you're above two um split fingers, bit, 300 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: split finger I started that way and I've been that 301 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: way ever since, and I think my form is pretty good. 302 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: I've learned a lot from people over the years of 303 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: how to follow through, um, continue aiming at your target 304 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: in your mind, that type of thing and jet master stuff. Yeah, 305 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: it was all good. But but when I was learning 306 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: I didn't of anybody to teach me, and uh, I 307 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: just got lucky. What was your accurate range back in 308 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: those days? You know? I I thought about that over 309 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: the years. Uh, thirty yards was not not in question. 310 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: I mean I could not shoot thirty yards. We always 311 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: shot ten to fifteen to twenty. It was real clost 312 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I wouldn't even launch heroes like now, 313 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: I'd love to watch a narrow fly right, you know, 314 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: fifty sixty yards, but we wouldn't even think about shooting 315 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: that far, you know, So I would say, my my 316 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: accurate rangers tend to yeah, you know, and like it 317 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: is now. Yeah, you know, well your eyes sight outside 318 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: of that's probably not too good. You know what. Jeff 319 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: I say, he was born in n You gotta give 320 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: him some credit. Yeah, he started reading when he's eighteen, 321 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: so yeah, but I didn't COMPREHENDI I was five, you know. 322 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: So the well, so you killed a deer. Now you 323 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: were living in Minnesota, but no, and I don't know 324 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: very much of your here story, but I know that 325 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: you were in Montana for years and now you're an 326 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: Alaskan resident. Have spent twenty something years in Alaska and 327 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: that's where you've done a tremendous amount of I mean 328 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: you've killed, you've you've taken tons of big game in 329 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: Alaska and Montana. I've been lucky. Well my careers. What 330 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: brought me a law enforcement and brought me to Montana. 331 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: All the criminals are out west. Yeah, you bet we'll 332 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: see in Nebraska. Yeah, Nebraska. But but then I went 333 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: to Alaska and uh uh, you know, there's nothing like Alaska. 334 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: There's nothing like going to a place where you know, 335 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: nobody else has been. In Alaska, you can still find that. 336 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: You know, when you moved to Alaska for your job, 337 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: was the intent to I mean, did you want to 338 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: locate there so that you could hunt or was it 339 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: just where really where a job opportunity was and you 340 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: followed that Well, unfortunately all my moves were because of hunting. Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, 341 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: it was just checking. It was absolutely uh number one, 342 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: when did you what year did you moved there? Man? 343 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: I don't even remember night something, yeah, you know. And 344 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: then but I took promotions down south, being down in 345 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: South in the lower and then came back up to Alaska. 346 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: You know that type of thing. My job afforded me uh, 347 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: you know, three moves and my family. Yeah, and and 348 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: the whole family would move. So you raised your family 349 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: in Alaska and you still got sons there. Yeah, all 350 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: the kids graduated in Alaska from high school. So tell 351 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: me and Jeff if you know some prodding questions for Dave, 352 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 1: but you to ask those, Um, what would so like 353 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: move into Alaska? Like today, I feel like Alaska is 354 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: much more known because of media. I mean just the 355 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: transmission of information is so available. But back in the eighties, 356 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: I mean Alaska, I mean, obviously you would have known 357 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: it was good hunting, and you would have known all 358 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: the good things about being an Alaska resident and a hunter. 359 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: But I mean, like, what was it like showing up 360 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: there a guy from Minnesota. Maybe he lived in Montana, 361 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: so you were kind of acclimated. But in starting to 362 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: bow hunt Alaska. So in and you've hunted and I'll 363 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: tee you up here. I mean, you've killed mountain grizzly 364 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: in Alaska, you've killed sheep, you've killed if you killed 365 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: the muskox up there, no bison up there, So I mean, 366 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: what was it like coming into that world with all 367 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: that opportunity? I think the most prevalent thing in my mind. 368 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: When I got up, there was very little organized I mean, 369 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: people really don't differentiate. If you want to shoot it 370 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: with a spear, go ahead, you can hunt right. Rife 371 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: lining is rife lining, and bow hunting is nuts. You know. 372 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: Most of those guys think what are you doing out here? Right? 373 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: And uh so I ran into a lot of that, 374 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: But it wasn't derogatory. It was just they chake their 375 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: head and walk away. I remember most of the floatplane operators, 376 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: you know, they'd go, what is this a fly rod? 377 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, it's a long goal, but 378 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: and they kind of giggle, you know, yeah, but it was, 379 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: uh you know, it's a challenge, and that's what traditional 380 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: archery is. Why didn't you pick up a gun? Well, 381 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: I just challenge, I think. I mean, I made my 382 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: living with a gun. You don't see a lot of 383 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: people go through this transition, is that they start off 384 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: with this limited technology, like you know, all you had 385 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: in the sixties was a wooden bow to shoot with, 386 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: and then as soon as new technology comes around, they're like, heck, yeah, 387 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: I forget that stuff. But you stayed with it. Well, no, 388 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: I hadn't. I went on to the compound, and I 389 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: have no problem with going back to it some days physically. 390 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: If I have a problem, I'm gonna go back to it, 391 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: you know. And uh, I have no problem with that. 392 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,719 Speaker 1: Uh but uh yeah, there is a trend to make 393 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: it easier. Yeah, you took heat for that too, big time. 394 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: Oh man, did I yeah? Tell us, well, no, I 395 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: mean he comes from the era of I mean there's 396 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of folks out there who 397 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: are friends of ours, who are in you know, big 398 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: in the business. Whoever some bowmakers and traditional bow hunter 399 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: guys that when you switch over, it's like you've cheated 400 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: on your wife, you know. Yeah, it really is fascinating 401 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: how that works because traditional shooters are mostly the older 402 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: school guys, like we've got some yourself and and um 403 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: Jake and whatever that are young, you know, and you 404 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: don't see that maybe necessarily as much as far as 405 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: the old old school guys. If you switch or you 406 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: go to a compound, all of a sudden, you're you're 407 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: you're out of the club pretty much pretty much. And 408 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: uh um, but not only out of the club, but 409 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: you're you're you're the devil. Friendships are affected by it. Yeah, 410 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: that's crazy, it's crazy. But what part of the human 411 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: psyche does that categorize into? I mean, like for real, 412 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: like it's it's such a it's such a niche. It's 413 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: such a close knit group that all of a sudden 414 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: when you do something different, it's like, I mean, I 415 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: understand it, but it's it is an interesting humans. The 416 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: political climate right now, Yeah, I mean that's that's probably 417 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: a good way to put it. Is that it's like 418 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: if you all of a sudden, we're you know, a 419 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: Reagan Republican and you switched over to whatever Democrat. I mean, 420 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: you're done. Like your followers are start following you and whatever, 421 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: and I think that's starting to go start to fade 422 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:13,959 Speaker 1: as as the older Yeah, so it's like you broken ideology. 423 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: It's like you broken ideology. I was talking this morning 424 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: with Jake about how when I first started shooting tread 425 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: or gut to tread bow and like two thousand one 426 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: or two, um, the guy that that gave me the bow, 427 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: uh pretty much said you know, you can't do both. 428 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: You can't shoot a compound and this and be successful. 429 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: And I kind of got his point. But what I 430 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: found is that you know, I'm I can navigate both weapons. 431 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: Do you know what I found up? I can navigate 432 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: to both weapons too, But lots of people have told 433 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: me that same thing. But I tell you I'm a 434 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: much better traditional shot after I've tried to compound for 435 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: a while. I don't know why, but uh yeah, I'm 436 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: much much better just aiming techniques or whatever it is. 437 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: I shoot traditionally much better after shot a pin with 438 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: What do you guys think about the and I hope 439 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: that we are seeing a trend of a lot of 440 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: new people coming into traditional archery. Um, but you guys 441 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: haven't been there for a long time. What are you? 442 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: What are your perceptions like good and bad? You can 443 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: say whatever you want of what well just like like 444 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: uh um, perhaps it could be like a Well, what 445 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: I've always said is that you can't fake traditional archery, 446 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: like uh with a compound. You can. You can get 447 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: a compound. You can become proficient relatively quickly, relatively easy. 448 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: You can't fake a traditional bow. I think sometimes people 449 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: perceive that and then so they want to become a 450 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: traditional archer. And then but then maybe they I don't know, 451 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: just what are your perceptions of new people coming because 452 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: new people, you bring new ideology, new stuff. And I 453 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: mean we kind of talked about that. I mean some 454 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: of the things the kids are doing these days, they're 455 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: breaking the you know, three fingers under in clickers. I 456 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: mean that's a big deal. Yeah, I think I'm not 457 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: even necessarily talking about that. I think most most of 458 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,719 Speaker 1: us when we start off, you know, young, are shooting 459 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: a stick. You know, our parents buy force you fling 460 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: around at sparrows or whatever. I mean, I had an 461 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: old herder's recurve and I'd go down to the river 462 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: and shoot carp you know, in great school for the day, 463 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: you know. And so I think that it's the natural um, 464 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: not progression. But I think people are so efficient with 465 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: these things now, I mean like deadly, deadly proficient with 466 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: compound bows. May I see it every year and fall 467 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: in spring. It blows me away, the guys who can 468 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: shoot and really shoot, you know. And I think that 469 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: after a while you might get you want more of 470 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: a challenge, and now it's it's the it's the rage now, 471 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: you know. And you can attribute some of that too, 472 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: Like we're talking Schneider, Aaron Schneider, he kind of blew 473 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: the you know, grabbed it and killed a lot of 474 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: stuff with it, which kind of you know, And so 475 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: for a lot of the old school guys, I think 476 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: that kind of I don't think they knew how to 477 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: handle that, you know. And uh, and then because of that, 478 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: and I'm just using that just one example. But now 479 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: with social media and all the things that you can 480 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: see at the click of a finger, people are thinking 481 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's romantic, and it's and it's whatever 482 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: and simple. But now a lot of people are going 483 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: on that route, which is great. I think, whatever it takes. 484 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: The only thing I really like to say about that 485 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: is that, um, don't do it because somebody else is 486 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: doing it to them that you're right, do it for 487 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: yourself because you like simplicity, like you like challenge, or 488 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: whatever the reason. Do it for yourself and feel good 489 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: about it, right, don't don't don't show off to somebody 490 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: else just because you think they want you to. Look, 491 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: which isn't why Aaron did it. No, he just got 492 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: tired of just killing stuff with his compound. It was 493 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: so proficient. But and he doesn't like the accolades. I mean, 494 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: when you tell him that you know that what you're 495 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: doing is changing some stuff. And I mean again, I'm 496 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: just using him as example just because I know him 497 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: and h but I think it's kind of the the 498 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: rage right now. People are doing it and which is 499 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: great for the boyers and carolmakers and stuff. And it's fun. 500 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it is fun. It's a lot of fun 501 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: to shoot and frustrating, super frustrating. Well look at the 502 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: you call any of these boyers up now you want 503 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: a new bowl, You're you're you're looking at a year 504 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: to a year and a half and they're worth more 505 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: than compounds exactly. Yea by a long shot on some 506 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: of these boys. Yeah, so you know, absolutely it's growing. 507 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah it is cool. You know. Uh, to me, 508 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: just to shoot a traditional bow is fun. And I'm 509 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: a very proficient compound shooter and shooting a compound has 510 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: never been fun to I mean, just like Joey, Like 511 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: I hear people talk about that, but how much they 512 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: enjoy shooting a comment and and I mean just for 513 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: sheer pleasure, just go out and just plank arrows. And 514 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to say I don't enjoy it, but 515 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: to shoot a traditional bow it's fun. Yeah. It kind 516 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: of brought back some of the the maybe initial joy 517 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: and statisfaction that I had with the compound. It's it's 518 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: brought it back, and it's it's kind of like what 519 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: I hear, I despise the game of golf. So I 520 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: can't believe me bringing this up on the Barony Magazine podcast. 521 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,479 Speaker 1: But you hear you hear people talking about golf how 522 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: it's like this game you never perfect, you know, you 523 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: just keep working. And that's what people that have nothing 524 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: else to do in their life choose to do when 525 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: they want to be golfers. Um. Traditional archery is Uh, 526 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: I knew, I knew I was gonna step on somebody's feet. Uh, 527 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm teasing. My dad tried to push us 528 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: to be golfers. Um. But traditional archers like that, it's like, 529 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: no matter how long you've done it, you're you still 530 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: have to be on your a game to shoot profishent 531 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: in the field and take animals. There's a funny story 532 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: about when I was in high school junior year. Uh, 533 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: we had a class called archery and it's split to golf. Well, 534 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: I had absolutely no idea what golf was. I mean, 535 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: you're hitting a ball around her trying to put a 536 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: whole right. That's that that was just plumb boring, right. Anyway, 537 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: the teacher, who was a cool guy, said, hey, you 538 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: shoot a bull a lot, don't you. I says yeah, yeah. 539 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: He says, well, I don't know any about bulls, So 540 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: would you teach the bull part and I'll teach the 541 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: archery part. I'll give you an A and I says, 542 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: you beat you? And then guess what I got any 543 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: out of that. So there was a class that was 544 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,479 Speaker 1: split between archery and golf. Archery, golf the game. It 545 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: was like two parts parts right, And that was pretty wild. 546 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: That was maybe there is some similarities there. Well, yeah, 547 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: I gotta put it somewhere, you know. Mm hmm um. 548 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: I want to let's see, I want to hear some 549 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: some Jeff, what's an iconic traditional archery hunt that like 550 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: would epitomize why you love traditional archery? Like if you'd 551 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: ask me that, I think I would have an answer 552 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: of of like the hunt. If that's a fair question, 553 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna ask you the same thing. That's dam 554 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: hunts or or well no, no, just like in your 555 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: like well in your career, like when you were the 556 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: first time that you took this animal in this way, 557 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: in this place that you were like, this is traditional 558 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: archery hunting for me. This is what I this is 559 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: why I do it. Like if you could describe it 560 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: like that, I would put two animals in their black 561 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: bear for sure be one. I think black bears are 562 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: kind of custom made for the trap. I'm talking what 563 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: about a specific hunt though? Was there a hunt that 564 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: was like iconic for you? And I mean like a 565 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: specific animal mm hmm. There's a lot of them. Yeah, yeah. 566 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: What what was the first animal you took with a 567 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: trade bow? Uh? Black bear? Yeah, first animal, but probably 568 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 1: my favorite. Well, black bears right there, and I haven't 569 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: hunted them for a long time until this year, but 570 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: it would be mule deer. I think mule deer. In 571 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: order to I mean, everything has to come together on 572 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: an open country spotting stock mule deer, there's no you know, 573 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: you're not sitting in a tree stand, or you're not calling, 574 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: or you're not doing whatever. Um. Yeah, there was one 575 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: mule deer that I hunted for about eight days and 576 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 1: he kept kicking me and making me look foolish, and 577 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 1: finally I fooled him. But there's a lot and when 578 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: you took that animal, you were like, this is why 579 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: I do this? Yeah, but I mean it probably the bear, 580 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: you know, I mean with with the self bow was 581 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 1: pretty cool too, yeah, just south of here. And and 582 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: actually when in hitting it and dying, you know, it's 583 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 1: like these things are efficient, you know, satisfaction. Yeah, yeah, 584 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: I want me. You're used to the high speed bow 585 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: and compound and then you switch over and these arrows 586 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: are shooting a hundred and sixty per second versus at 587 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: that time maybe two fifty or not even, but still 588 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: there's a big difference. And so I didn't really think 589 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: that you could kill something. You didn't think they were 590 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: an efficient weapon. No, yeah, no, And and it was 591 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: very that was a struggle for me when I first 592 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: was for ten years piddling around with traditional archery, I 593 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: didn't believe that they were an effective killing tool. And 594 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,479 Speaker 1: then now it's like, when I pick up that bow, 595 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: I feel like I could take down any critter on 596 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: the planet. Yeah. Yeah. For me, it was antelope, and 597 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: it was on the prairie in Montana, and I was 598 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 1: stalking anop before anybody was because most people thought you're 599 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: honting antelope with a bow and arrow. Yeah, that's what 600 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:42,240 Speaker 1: I did. I can remember cutting out cardboard and painting 601 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: it to look like an antelope before mel Dutton decoys, 602 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,240 Speaker 1: before any of that stuff, and we paint these things 603 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: and of course the wind would just take him and 604 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: fly him away, but but stocking antelope. And when it 605 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: finally came together, um, you know, it was about a 606 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: yard shot on a real nice buck and he was 607 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: that and right then and there, I said, man, that 608 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. Because it took hours to 609 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,399 Speaker 1: get on that buck and then you know, to get 610 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: it to happen. It was really satisfying. Yeah, I remember 611 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: it well, Yeah that was seventies. Yeah, you know for me, now, 612 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: I had taken animals before this, But when if I 613 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: look back my animals i've taken with traditional gear, which 614 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: is not near as many as you guys have. But 615 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: the bear over the water hole on public land in Arkansas, 616 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: because I never thought that that would be a an 617 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: animal that I would take on public land spotting stock 618 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: on the ground with a tread bow. I mean, i'd 619 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 1: never purposefully I didn't try to make that hunt happen 620 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 1: just because it was just too hard. And uh, that 621 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: day it was kind of an accident that even had 622 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: my boat. I was really just scouting and it was 623 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: just you know, I was like, I might as well 624 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,720 Speaker 1: bring my boat, you never know, and ended up taking 625 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: a bear found well. I knew where this water hole was, 626 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: didn't anticipated having a lot of bears coming to it. 627 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 1: Went to the water hole, you know, two hours up there, 628 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 1: I found a ton of bear sign and just said, man, 629 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,439 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sit here until one comes sat down. 630 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: Two hours later, bear walks up eight yards in the water, 631 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: shoot it with a tread bow, and uh, I think 632 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: avan said. I said, I'd rather kill that bear, and 633 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: it was a soal. It wasn't a big one, just 634 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,280 Speaker 1: a average sal I said, I'd rather take that bear. 635 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 1: And I'm more proud of that bear than a Kodiak 636 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,720 Speaker 1: brown bear because I did it in my home turf, 637 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,959 Speaker 1: in my where I wanted to do it the way 638 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: I wanted to do it, or a way that I 639 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: didn't expect to do it. And then, you know, so 640 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: to me, it's like I could never kill another animal again, 641 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: and I could hang that bow up and just be like, yep, 642 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: that was a great video. Yeah, I'd really like that one. 643 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: That was cool. You can tell you were excited. Yeah, 644 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: well it was kind of an accident. But then the 645 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: next day went to the other state just down the 646 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: road was able to do it again. What's that was cool? 647 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: But um, Jeff, what questions do we need to ask 648 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: Dave about? Uh? Now, you started a couple of traditional 649 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: archery state associations. I mean, well myself and other people. 650 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: But back in um nineteen eighty nine, I was stationed 651 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: with the United States Border Patrol down in Florida and 652 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: there wasn't an organization for traditional bullingers down there, and 653 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,240 Speaker 1: I got together with four or five guys and started 654 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: Traditional bull Hundreds of Florida. And now it's huge, I 655 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: mean like thousand members. Um, but that was pretty cool. 656 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: There wasn't one, I like six six of us that 657 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: started that, and it's growing since nine to what it 658 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: is today. And I was the first president of that, 659 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:52,240 Speaker 1: and uh Traditional bull Honers of Montana. I was started 660 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: that with Dick Robertson and I think that was the 661 00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: nineteen well it must have been nineteen eighties something, eight 662 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: seven or eight six, something like that. But and that's 663 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: growing too also. I mean, you know, these things have 664 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,359 Speaker 1: just blossomed. So I mean anything is possible, and it's 665 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,720 Speaker 1: just a bunch of guys getting together, care about something 666 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: and make it grow, right. And I didn't have much 667 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: to do with the growth part, but at least we 668 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 1: started it. You know, it was cool. Yeah, that's great. Um, 669 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: tell me about one of your your bears in Alaska. Well, 670 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: first of all, and I don't know what people think 671 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: about baiting, but in in Alaska you can hunt grizzlies 672 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: with bait, and I originally started out. I can tell 673 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 1: you what we think about it. We love it, yeah, absolutely, 674 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: But there are people like uh, well several up there, 675 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: the old time boads and we all know what I'm 676 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: talking about. That fought at tooth and Nail and lone. 677 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: Oh it was like bloody. They didn't want it to happen. 678 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: Well it happened, and now everybody can hunt him that way. 679 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: And then it's the fishing game was because they did 680 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,760 Speaker 1: it as a management tool. They needed to take out bears, 681 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: and that they couldn't take him out of the ways, right, 682 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: some big bores or dying you know, grizzlies, and uh, 683 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,280 Speaker 1: that's that's what's all about for them. Anyway, I placed 684 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,879 Speaker 1: this bait in a remote spot, not thinking about it 685 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: being a good grizzly spot. And uh, I set it 686 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: up and went up there the first night, and my 687 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 1: tree stands are only like ten feet in the air, 688 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: just because I didn't want my air or to come 689 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: down and hit one long right, so I could, you know, 690 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,839 Speaker 1: give more a different angle. I wasn't worried about, you know, 691 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: some of the black bears jumping in the tree stand 692 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,799 Speaker 1: with me. But I'm sitting there in the first night, 693 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: and this this grizzly gave no indication that he was 694 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: feeding there, you know, the crap or anything like that. 695 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 1: A nice black bear came in. I passed him up 696 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 1: and and he ate and did that kind of thing, 697 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, I let him go. And 698 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: five minutes later I see brown. I heard some twig 699 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 1: straps snapping, and it's very thick, very very very thick. 700 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,800 Speaker 1: And I look and I see brown coming through the trees, 701 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: and it said, all great, brown black bear, this gonna 702 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,359 Speaker 1: be cool, right, not a collar faces where I'm at. 703 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: And he's coming in and coming in, and immediately I 704 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 1: see his face come through the bush and I said, 705 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,319 Speaker 1: oh crap, it's grizzly. It's a big one and I'm only, 706 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: like I say, ten feet in the tree. You were 707 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,320 Speaker 1: not trying to kill a grizzly, but you had a tag. 708 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, we had a tag. But that's I 709 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: can have a tag in Alaska. So so we uh 710 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: where I was by myself. I didn't even have a gun, 711 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,320 Speaker 1: and uh, this bear comes in. He smelt that black 712 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: bear and just an absolutely ape. He grabbed that barrel 713 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: and threw it. Then he beat it up and jump 714 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: on it. You know, I apply used plastic barrels up there, 715 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: chained and so he crushed that. You think he was 716 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,799 Speaker 1: trying to make make noise to let other bears know 717 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 1: that he was in there. I think so. And he 718 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 1: was let everybody know. He I found that bears, if 719 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 1: they want to be a hundred percent silent, they are 720 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: and if they make noise, they're doing it on purpose 721 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 1: to let other animals know. And he let everybody know. 722 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: And I'll never forget he he bat that barrel around, 723 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,799 Speaker 1: hid it in the air, and just like Muhammad Ali 724 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,880 Speaker 1: boxing a bag. It was awesome because he was so 725 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: fast and um and I'm away like ten yards away 726 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: from the bait and ten ft in the air with 727 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 1: no backup, no backup, And I'm figuring. Once he figures out, 728 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm dead right. Well, he did look at me. 729 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: Have you ever been looked at by a grizzly? You 730 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,880 Speaker 1: know it because they're beating Lilizas And he didn't do 731 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 1: anything about it, and he turned broadside and I just 732 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: dumped him. He took one jump man one jump and died. 733 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,759 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. You know, they got this. He 734 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 1: bears die easily if they're hit right, and this one 735 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: I must have hit perfect because he just took a 736 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:28,320 Speaker 1: jump and died. He was twenty four in skull, so wow, 737 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:35,320 Speaker 1: what would he would he have squared? Probably seven? Yeah, 738 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: he's not a huge grizzly, but he's uh, it's it's 739 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: a it's an interior grizzly. It's not a coastal brummer. Yeah, 740 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,480 Speaker 1: that's the ultimate. I think. When I was with Jeff 741 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,280 Speaker 1: the first hunt I went with Jeff, my head probably 742 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: the most opportune time had a big grizzly that anybody 743 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: has ever had, you know, two shots at thirty five 744 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 1: yards m kind of downhill, blew them both. Boy, I mean, 745 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 1: this was This is not your average grizzly. This is 746 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:15,880 Speaker 1: a big, dark black grizzlies and just obviously a boar. Yeah, 747 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,760 Speaker 1: obviously big and bad. Is that right in this area? Yeah? 748 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 1: Up higher up in the alpine fall. It was in 749 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: the berries. Yeah, there's a burn up there, so yeah, 750 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,919 Speaker 1: that's where where it was. I watched the whole thing. Wow, 751 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: that would have been like ten years ago, yeah, nine maybe, Yeah, 752 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,359 Speaker 1: it seems like today. Yeah. Yeah, time flies. Mm hmm, 753 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,440 Speaker 1: big bear. That was. It's not the only grizzly I've missed, 754 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: so but yeah, I've had good luck with grizzlies as 755 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: far as getting in on him, and yeah, occ usually 756 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 1: getting one, you know. Yeah, Jeff, what are you thinking 757 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:05,600 Speaker 1: of any stories about Dave that need to be told? Yeah, 758 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure he won't mind me telling this one. But 759 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 1: Dave's got When Dave was born, his heart was on 760 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 1: the right side of his chest and not his left side, 761 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:20,080 Speaker 1: So I don't know what that's called extra cardia. Yeah, 762 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,880 Speaker 1: And so he comes up and we're hunting mule deer 763 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,799 Speaker 1: and we go on the stock and this is a 764 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 1: big deer. He's betted and he's I mean, he's in 765 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,839 Speaker 1: a perfect spot. So we crawl in there. I turned around. 766 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:39,719 Speaker 1: I looked at Dave, and Dave's lips are blue. We're 767 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 1: thirty yards yards in this buck, Mike, dude, are you 768 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,320 Speaker 1: all right? What's going on? And so in that space 769 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,320 Speaker 1: of time, he tells me that he's got a pretty 770 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: severe heart condition. Okay, that I'm gonna have to draw 771 00:46:54,680 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 1: his bow and and not when he lands did and 772 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,160 Speaker 1: we're at the room, you know, when you usually did, 773 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,560 Speaker 1: and some I'm staring. I'm going you're telling me this now, 774 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,320 Speaker 1: you know? And and so and we got the bow drawn, 775 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,439 Speaker 1: and I stood the buck up, and then the buck 776 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:20,239 Speaker 1: ran and never got hit. So yeah, he uh, he 777 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 1: could be sitting here and and and having whatever, he 778 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,319 Speaker 1: could be on the verge of death. But he's never 779 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 1: gonna let you know that ever. So, yeah, he's the 780 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 1: most optimistic guy I met. And uh, yeah, we've had 781 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: a yeah, we've had a lot of cool oh yeah 782 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,759 Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So just the other night when you got 783 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 1: your bear was awful cool. Yeah, I was glad you're here. Yeah, 784 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 1: so you want to talk about that? Yeah. Yeah. We 785 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,720 Speaker 1: had a couple a couple hundreds kill out on early 786 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,480 Speaker 1: and so that opened it up for for me to 787 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 1: be able to towed around and look around, so we'd go. 788 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,640 Speaker 1: You know, we went to his zone that's quite a 789 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,720 Speaker 1: ways from here, kind of stayed away from from obviously 790 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 1: from my area. And we've been seeing a few bears, 791 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,680 Speaker 1: not a lot, but some big ones and uh, mostly 792 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,279 Speaker 1: just to go hang out with this guy. You know. 793 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:24,839 Speaker 1: I saw wolves and grizzlies and Mr Wolf anyway, Um, yeah, 794 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,880 Speaker 1: just the way it worked, it was just happened fast. 795 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 1: Saw him, went up on him. I didn't know if 796 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,839 Speaker 1: he was I thought he was a good boar, but 797 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: the way I mean he kind of when he saw me, 798 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,680 Speaker 1: he just stood up, put his paws up against the 799 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,080 Speaker 1: tree and just looked at me. And I kind of hesitated, 800 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, because i'd like to. I've shot quite a 801 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,480 Speaker 1: few and I wanted to, and I haven't hunted one 802 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,160 Speaker 1: in eight years. So you're you're after bear, You're after 803 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,359 Speaker 1: a big one, I'd like. Yeah, I see a lot 804 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,960 Speaker 1: of these things get shot every year. It's not about 805 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,239 Speaker 1: the meat, because my freezer is full of bear meat 806 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,040 Speaker 1: and moose meat. But you guys really enjoy I love it. 807 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,800 Speaker 1: More guys are taking it home now though, But uh yeah, 808 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,400 Speaker 1: so it's not ever a meat and whenever I go hunting, 809 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,880 Speaker 1: it's not it's not for meat because it's an outfitter. Unfortunately, 810 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,839 Speaker 1: my freezer is full of meat. You know, people don't 811 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,160 Speaker 1: when you fly up here and shoot a moose, you're 812 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,799 Speaker 1: not flying home with six hundred pounds of meat or 813 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 1: whatever four pounds of meat. So yeah, so just looking 814 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,239 Speaker 1: for that specific bear that would like to to have 815 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,040 Speaker 1: for maybe a life size or something in the in 816 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 1: camp here. But and we saw one that was pretty 817 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,680 Speaker 1: legit huge the night before. You know, I got the 818 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,359 Speaker 1: eighteen yards on him, but it was raining that night 819 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,640 Speaker 1: and it was got darker earlier, and I couldn't really 820 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,799 Speaker 1: tell where his I mean, yeah, kind of how he 821 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 1: was positioned. He was broadside of all I had was 822 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,799 Speaker 1: a spine in his backstrap. He's over the edge and 823 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,759 Speaker 1: then I realized that he's staring at me and then 824 00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:01,520 Speaker 1: he bolted. So anyway, this particular bear he stood, and 825 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,279 Speaker 1: which is perfect. You know, he stood because you kind 826 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,480 Speaker 1: of startled him. He saw you jumped up on the 827 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,920 Speaker 1: side of it. I was there the whole time. I mean, 828 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,120 Speaker 1: that's the thing with these guys, they they're not really 829 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,239 Speaker 1: you get some the bolt that you know, if they 830 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,040 Speaker 1: get your wind, it's over. But they're there. They're pretty 831 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,239 Speaker 1: cocky there, you know. Um, and he he was cocky 832 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,160 Speaker 1: and just stared at me. And then I made the 833 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,319 Speaker 1: shot and I was a little bit, a little bit back. 834 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,799 Speaker 1: I was through the liver and then it was a 835 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,239 Speaker 1: complete kind of a gong show. After that, he went 836 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,080 Speaker 1: up a little bit and shot a few times. Yes, 837 00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,799 Speaker 1: I did, and then he Uh, I figured he was 838 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,359 Speaker 1: dead or was gonna die real quickly and what he did. 839 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,439 Speaker 1: But just the situation with getting him out of there, 840 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, having Dave Dave, I didn't want him to 841 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,600 Speaker 1: go in there with his his condition and and you know, 842 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,359 Speaker 1: so just thought we'll leave him because I didn't see 843 00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,799 Speaker 1: him die, and I didn't hear him. But you got 844 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,160 Speaker 1: two good arrows. And to clarify, you've got two good 845 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,839 Speaker 1: arrows and the bear. The first arrow was a killing arrow. 846 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,359 Speaker 1: But I just, yeah, it's good to hear him die 847 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,400 Speaker 1: or see him die. And uh, and made the decision 848 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,000 Speaker 1: to back out and going in the morning. And uh 849 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,520 Speaker 1: we went back in the next morning. Um, he had 850 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,319 Speaker 1: we found in test nines that were pulled out, and 851 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,360 Speaker 1: then we found the gut file and no bear. So Immediately, 852 00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:31,520 Speaker 1: my guides and I were like, is you know something, Yeah, 853 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,919 Speaker 1: something's not right. And Gary went over and checked out 854 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,760 Speaker 1: the snow bank and there's a bunch of wolf tracks 855 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,960 Speaker 1: and basically those wolves annihilated him, but yet kind of 856 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:47,000 Speaker 1: kept the hide and tag. I mean their precision, they 857 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,440 Speaker 1: everything up to the neck. What it was like, it 858 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,160 Speaker 1: was like they opened up the cape from the hind 859 00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:59,680 Speaker 1: quarters and then it's almost like they they ate underneath 860 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,880 Speaker 1: the all the way up to the skull. So looking 861 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,040 Speaker 1: at the bear, now, you were able to keep some 862 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,239 Speaker 1: of the front shoulders and stuff, well just forearms is 863 00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,719 Speaker 1: the only thing I was able to keep off that thing. 864 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,759 Speaker 1: That's the only meat that was available, which is also buco, right, 865 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,800 Speaker 1: I mean that's I love the form so um. And 866 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,520 Speaker 1: the head was fine and and yeah, it was just 867 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,720 Speaker 1: the first time that's ever never seen it. In probably 868 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,480 Speaker 1: three bears i've been in on, I've never seen that 869 00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,080 Speaker 1: particular thing happened. We've never had a grizzly on one. 870 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,400 Speaker 1: We've we've had black bears, other dominant bore black bears 871 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,680 Speaker 1: consume yeah, well at least one that I know of, 872 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,040 Speaker 1: But otherwise they're pretty much left alone, you know, they're 873 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,640 Speaker 1: pretty much left alone. And uh, so, yeah, that was 874 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,480 Speaker 1: kind of a I was an eye opener. It was 875 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:54,160 Speaker 1: satisfying for me because I got to see him get hammered. Yeah, 876 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,120 Speaker 1: Jeff get hammered. He was excited. Yeah, And I'd like 877 00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,560 Speaker 1: to see that in anybody, but I haven't seen it 878 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,440 Speaker 1: from him because he's so busy trying to get everybody 879 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,000 Speaker 1: else something. Yeah, right, and you know he gets happy 880 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 1: about it, but this was intense for him. And uh 881 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,319 Speaker 1: and that's what bowl winning does to us, right, yes, 882 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,439 Speaker 1: And it was fun watching that in him. Yeah. So, 883 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,360 Speaker 1: so y'all were the way we're hunting sometimes and the 884 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,759 Speaker 1: way you were specifically hunting. We had Dave, we the 885 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,919 Speaker 1: two of you together. You were cruising some of these 886 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,560 Speaker 1: back roads. Bears are feeding in the ditches. He saw 887 00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 1: the spare from the vehicle, jumped out, made a stock 888 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,480 Speaker 1: on him and uh and so Dave, you were able 889 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,719 Speaker 1: to pretty much see everything. You can see everything right 890 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,399 Speaker 1: from that. That's pretty cool. I didn't have to get 891 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,120 Speaker 1: out because a matter of fact, why would I get out, 892 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:48,040 Speaker 1: because I'd make more noise right right? It makes noise anyway, right, Yes, 893 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:53,439 Speaker 1: we found that out this week. Machine beeping hasn't gone 894 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,239 Speaker 1: off yet. We've been lucky. Yeah, man, So no, it's 895 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,839 Speaker 1: been nice to have you know, I usually you just 896 00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,920 Speaker 1: it's a tough thing to do, you know, even if 897 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,680 Speaker 1: you're in another zone and in far away. Um. You know, 898 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,399 Speaker 1: we got a good group of you know folks in camp, 899 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,279 Speaker 1: so I wasn't too worried about Yeah, this, I want 900 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,120 Speaker 1: to say it's a unique, super unique situation and that 901 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,080 Speaker 1: the guys in camp are are friends and we've all 902 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,520 Speaker 1: got you know, we've been hunting with Gary and and 903 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,440 Speaker 1: Ryan's been taken out Cody. I mean like, yeah, so 904 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 1: we were all pumped to see you get to go hunt. Yeah, 905 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,600 Speaker 1: and we Yeah, we had a good time. I mean 906 00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,400 Speaker 1: just sit there and talk. And because honestly after you know, 907 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:40,760 Speaker 1: Dave had major major heart surgeries six months ago whatever 908 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,359 Speaker 1: that like almost a replacement, like heart replacement, right, well 909 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,759 Speaker 1: half of the hearts. Yeah, pump tacanium. Now, so did 910 00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,439 Speaker 1: to make you better? Probably make you a better tread 911 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,560 Speaker 1: bow shooter? Quite a stud no, yeah, no, better looking, 912 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,640 Speaker 1: that's the things. But so no, it was fun. It 913 00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,000 Speaker 1: was fun to be able to go out with him, 914 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,439 Speaker 1: and yeah, we've had some he's seen me go through 915 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,960 Speaker 1: some stuff in life and vice versas. So it was 916 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,759 Speaker 1: just cool to be able to go out and you know, 917 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,160 Speaker 1: killing the bear it was it was bonus, but it wasn't. 918 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:18,440 Speaker 1: And then things were pretty intense. You know, two, understand 919 00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,080 Speaker 1: the context of this situation when you're when you're trailing 920 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,920 Speaker 1: a wounded animal, it's been left overnight, and you see 921 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,920 Speaker 1: a gut pile and nowear automatically you know that animals 922 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:33,279 Speaker 1: has been something has preyed upon it. And your first 923 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,200 Speaker 1: thought was Gris because I mean, this is Gurrias country. 924 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,759 Speaker 1: Four of them this week. We saw four within two 925 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,279 Speaker 1: miles of that bear, and so you're in a real 926 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,040 Speaker 1: serious you're in a precarious situation at that point if 927 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,200 Speaker 1: it is a griz because he's gonna be guarden. He's killed. 928 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,680 Speaker 1: And that's and that's where you were like one of 929 00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,160 Speaker 1: your one of your guides, I won't say his nickname, 930 00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:03,439 Speaker 1: um had the gun and you said, getting a gun. Yeah, yeah, 931 00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,680 Speaker 1: sometimes you can get kind of careless, think you know 932 00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,360 Speaker 1: what I mean, You can get careless and that that'll 933 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,560 Speaker 1: kill you. So mostly now with the Grizzlies being shut 934 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,919 Speaker 1: down in BC, um it's gonna become more and more 935 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:21,000 Speaker 1: of a issue with confrontations, human and animal confrontations. I 936 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,799 Speaker 1: think you're gonna see him go up or you will 937 00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,239 Speaker 1: see him go up. Yeah, a lot of them. Well, 938 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,840 Speaker 1: the guys last night saw a big, beautiful grizz out 939 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,480 Speaker 1: in a spot that we've been hunting several times that 940 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,560 Speaker 1: I've hunted this week several times. We didn't see a 941 00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,000 Speaker 1: gris there, but yeah there, ever we've seen him. We've 942 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:42,080 Speaker 1: seen well two adults, uh, and both of them were 943 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:46,400 Speaker 1: Stalds with cubs, So multiple, multiple grizzlies. Saw a couple 944 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,120 Speaker 1: of big tracks yesterday, I mean fresh tracks. Um, they're 945 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:55,239 Speaker 1: around man, big time, Yeah, big time. So yeah, we 946 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,640 Speaker 1: uh need to Yeah, you just always need to be 947 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,680 Speaker 1: diligent with with paying attention to what's around you. I 948 00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,279 Speaker 1: think hunting in in an area where grizzlies makes you 949 00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,799 Speaker 1: better hunter. You know it does, because you're paying more 950 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,719 Speaker 1: attention to what's around and it adds something to the 951 00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:18,120 Speaker 1: hunt too. I mean, grizzly is what the North Americans 952 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:23,280 Speaker 1: premier predator, right, I mean, it makes it feel like 953 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,040 Speaker 1: you're in the wild. I mean they's just so cool, 954 00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,360 Speaker 1: you know. They added dimension to any hunt, even if 955 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,680 Speaker 1: you're not hunting them. And even if you don't see him. 956 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,160 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what a big predator does, is his 957 00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,040 Speaker 1: shadow is always there. It's always in the back of 958 00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,880 Speaker 1: your mind. And that that really adds a lot. Yeah, 959 00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,240 Speaker 1: it does, which is a lot of reason why you're 960 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,520 Speaker 1: black bear that you're stocking every day or is aware 961 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,360 Speaker 1: as they are. I noticed that this year more so 962 00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:56,080 Speaker 1: than any other year. Um, like seeing us from two 963 00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,360 Speaker 1: yards away and it's like, you know, in bolting. I 964 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:04,040 Speaker 1: mean that's you know, there's years. Oh you can yeah, 965 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,760 Speaker 1: they you can walk right up to him. And you know, 966 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,920 Speaker 1: wind has been an issue always is though in the 967 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,440 Speaker 1: mountains of b C. When you better make your move, 968 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,640 Speaker 1: and you better make it fast, you know, if you can. 969 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,080 Speaker 1: And uh, a lot of people have a hard time 970 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,600 Speaker 1: doing that, you know, they they think they got to 971 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,320 Speaker 1: go into super stealth mode. Mostly stick guys. Yeah, you 972 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:31,960 Speaker 1: gotta run, yeah, as quietly as you can. Yeah. Well, guys, 973 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,680 Speaker 1: we've been talking for about fifty two minutes. Um, it's 974 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:42,280 Speaker 1: uh closing thoughts here, Dave, what what would you what 975 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,040 Speaker 1: would you say to uh? I don't know what would 976 00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,560 Speaker 1: you say to a young traditional archer getting into it? 977 00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,520 Speaker 1: I would just say, hey, love it, love it for 978 00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,520 Speaker 1: what it is, play it out and just live it 979 00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,720 Speaker 1: because it's it's a wonderful, wonderful way to shoot a 980 00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,880 Speaker 1: born arrow. And uh yeah, man, just live it and 981 00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,040 Speaker 1: enjoy every every minute you have with it, because it's 982 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,800 Speaker 1: not always going to hang around, right, So I'd say, 983 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,240 Speaker 1: live it, love it. It's good. Jeff, I would say, 984 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,000 Speaker 1: don't compare your you know, if you're getting in starting 985 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,480 Speaker 1: in a traditional archery, I wouldn't, don't compare yourself to 986 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,720 Speaker 1: what you're seeing on YouTube or what you're seeing on 987 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:26,480 Speaker 1: the internet social media, because you're not you know, you're all. 988 00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:31,200 Speaker 1: All you're seeing on on online is success if it's 989 00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:35,160 Speaker 1: stacking up animals, and success is what your goal is. 990 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,240 Speaker 1: And probably don't shoot a tread bow. But if you 991 00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,840 Speaker 1: like being out there with something simple, I mean, you 992 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,680 Speaker 1: can kill a lot of stuff, whether you you know, 993 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:48,160 Speaker 1: it takes time, it's not overnight, mostly with instinctive shooting. 994 00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,760 Speaker 1: However you decide to shoot, but enjoy it and don't 995 00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,720 Speaker 1: don't put the pressure on yourself that you have to 996 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,440 Speaker 1: meet up to somebody who's shooting lots of stuff. You know, 997 00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:03,240 Speaker 1: you remember, um that article of Jane went over wrote 998 01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:07,120 Speaker 1: and PBS it's called instant bull hunter. Look it up sometime. 999 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:12,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it's the perfect perfect way to write about um, 1000 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,040 Speaker 1: instant bull hunting. People that want to be instantly successful. 1001 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,000 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, you gotta read that something's wrong. It's the 1002 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:24,120 Speaker 1: wrong thing. Yeah yeah, traditional stuff. But yeah yeah. And 1003 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:28,520 Speaker 1: I think that goes back to the motivations of why, 1004 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't get into traditional bull hunting because 1005 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,640 Speaker 1: you want to kill more stuff. That's for dangsher. I mean, 1006 01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,480 Speaker 1: it's self imposed limitation. You've chosen. You've got this whole 1007 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,160 Speaker 1: wide world of North American honey in front of you, 1008 01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,400 Speaker 1: or whatever opportunity you have, whether it's white tails in 1009 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,960 Speaker 1: your backyard or whether it's you're in BC and can 1010 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,800 Speaker 1: hunt all these critters or in Alaska, and you you 1011 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:54,080 Speaker 1: choose how you want to craft your hunting space, you know. 1012 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,440 Speaker 1: And so you're like, you know what, I've done this, 1013 01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,960 Speaker 1: I've done this. I want to choose this limitation and 1014 01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,640 Speaker 1: let that be my weapon and become a traditional archer. 1015 01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,920 Speaker 1: And uh, it changes you, and it it uh And 1016 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,720 Speaker 1: and what I've always said, I think already said it today, 1017 01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:16,760 Speaker 1: is that in a world when in office in authenticity. 1018 01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,560 Speaker 1: It's prevalent. I mean, you know when you can take 1019 01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:24,880 Speaker 1: a single photograph, one second capture of your life and 1020 01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,640 Speaker 1: edit it and doll it up, and I'm speaking metaphorically 1021 01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,560 Speaker 1: but also literally put it on to social media and 1022 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:36,080 Speaker 1: that becomes your brand. Like basically, you can forge. You 1023 01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,520 Speaker 1: can forge an image that's not real. That's what I'm saying. 1024 01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,640 Speaker 1: I'm not saying everybody does that. I have an Instagram account, 1025 01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:42,720 Speaker 1: I have Facebook. I mean, like, I'm doing this kind 1026 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,160 Speaker 1: of stuff, but in a world that is full of inauthenticity, 1027 01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:50,360 Speaker 1: and people perceive that you can't fake being a traditional archer, 1028 01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,840 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. In in closing, I think 1029 01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,439 Speaker 1: and in the trade guys that are here and there's 1030 01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:01,400 Speaker 1: a few of us, there's nothing you will never your 1031 01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,520 Speaker 1: life will be changed when you kill your first animal 1032 01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,120 Speaker 1: with with a stick, because you'll go this can happen. 1033 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,040 Speaker 1: And I believe that that when that happens, and something 1034 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,040 Speaker 1: for some people took me a few years before I did. 1035 01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,160 Speaker 1: But when that happens, I don't know that you ever 1036 01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:21,040 Speaker 1: go back because that challenge is so satisfying. It's gratifying 1037 01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,600 Speaker 1: to see what you did. And then yeah, I don't 1038 01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,919 Speaker 1: think anyway. Jake would probably agree with me, and Dave 1039 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,800 Speaker 1: and you, I don't know. But for me it was 1040 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,560 Speaker 1: because I had shoulder problems big time. I gotta get surgery. 1041 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,200 Speaker 1: I had a compound brought up to me last year, 1042 01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,040 Speaker 1: a new hoit that I shot ten arrows through, and 1043 01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:42,200 Speaker 1: I have zero. I like compound guys. I want them 1044 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,600 Speaker 1: in my camp because they're efficient and effective and uh 1045 01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,480 Speaker 1: but yeah, it just felt so weird to me. In fact, 1046 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't even shoot it really well. I'm so used 1047 01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,240 Speaker 1: to coming and going and I couldn't sit there and 1048 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,360 Speaker 1: holder I didn't know what what a bubble was like 1049 01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,680 Speaker 1: for leveling. It was just so I mean, I would 1050 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,440 Speaker 1: do it. Took me a lot long time to be 1051 01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,560 Speaker 1: proficient with that, which is crazy. So they're skilling both. 1052 01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:12,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, it's good right on. Well, thanks guys, 1053 01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,160 Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure to share camp with both of you, 1054 01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,680 Speaker 1: for real, it has I'm just quite sure. Thanks for 1055 01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,400 Speaker 1: coming up, but it's your last day. So yeah, we 1056 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:25,840 Speaker 1: gotta go kill a bear, and we gotta we gotta 1057 01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,800 Speaker 1: go get one. Keep the wild places wild because that's 1058 01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:29,560 Speaker 1: where the bears live.