WEBVTT - Breaking Down the Miami Dolphins Offensive Line with Rashad Butler 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:17.200 Down, Miami un What is up, Dolphans, And welcome to 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:21.400 the Drive Time Podcast, part of the Miami Dolphins podcast network, 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:26.360 covering your team, your Miami Dolphins. How's it going everybody? 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:29.800 I am your host, Travis Wingfield. And on today's show, 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:32.360 if you're getting tired of us talking about the skill 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:35.280 players and the skinny guys that run around and catch 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:38.960 passes on the outside, and the defensive playmakers in the secondary, 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:41.319 well this is the podcast for you. We're getting into 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.559 the offensive line, the big uglies, and we're doing it 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:47.839 with an eight year NFL veteran and a legend at 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:51.400 the University of Miami, Rashad Butler, joins us on Drive 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.600 Time today to breakdown all things Dolphins offensive line. He's 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:56.880 gonna tell us how much better he expects those second 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.320 year players to get the impact of the rookies and 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:02.360 Liam I can Burg, how Matt Skura fits in. All 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:04.400 of that in a heck of a lot more on 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:11.280 this edition of the Drivetime Podcast. So we had the 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.800 schedule released podcast earlier this week, but today's episode of 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:18.160 the podcast, we have a former NFL stud eight years 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.440 in the league, former Miami Hurricane, former local radio guy, 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:24.160 down here in South Florida. He knows the game, he 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:27.319 knows the position, he knows this team, he knows this area. 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:30.200 Let's not waste any more time. Welcome my guest in 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:33.800 to this edition of Drive Time, Rashad Butler, and joining 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:37.039 me now on the Drivetime podcast is former Hurricane star 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:41.240 and eight year NFL veteran retired of course, Rashad Butler 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:43.640 And Rashad, I think the last time I saw you, 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:47.480 bro was the Heat game around Christmas twenty nineteen. It's 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:49.480 been a minute. How the hell have you been? Man? 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:54.480 I've been great, And it's funny, uh that because the 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.240 last you saw me, I think I might have way 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:04.639 maybe about uh two hundred and maybe ninety or eighty 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:08.359 five pounds, and now I'm down or whopping forty forty 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.000 pounds man, the two forty five man, listen, I have 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.840 not been this light, uh since I can remember. I 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.000 think the last time I might have been this light 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:21.320 may have been when I first school in is like 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:26.000 when I was just leaving middle school, just leaving middle school, 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:30.440 I was going to suggest high school. Oh my goodness, man, 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:32.600 I see those stories all the time. I think, like 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:36.240 Nick Hardwick had a really good like post career transformation 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.600 where he dropped a bunch of weight. First of all, congratulations, 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:40.359 I probably get that out of the way first. But 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.080 what did you do? Man? What was the secret, to 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.000 be honest with you, So I watched this next Lick 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:52.120 documentary called Game Changers, and it talked about the benefits 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.720 of athletes as far as as far as high performing 0:02:55.800 --> 0:03:01.120 athletes UM going to a all plant but plant based diet, 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.120 and so that really interested me, and I said, you 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:07.280 know what, let me just ease into it, because one 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:10.840 thing I've learned from prior experiences, it's always harder to 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.760 kind of go full pledged into something rather than just 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.280 easing into it. So I eased into it a little 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:19.320 bit as far as eating more plant based foods here 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.400 and there, and then I want to say, maybe within 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.840 a month or so, I was, you know, still continue 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:26.880 to work out. But within about a month or so 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:31.160 I found out that I transferred to nothing but plant based. 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:33.320 And now I've been all plant based since I want 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:37.240 to say, maybe August two thousand and twenties, so August 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:42.040 of last year, so I'm coming up on about a year. 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.640 This August is crazy. You must feel incredible, like as 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.080 far as the difference for just lethargic nous and being 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:51.400 more active, like you have to feel incredible, I imagine, 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.160 Oh no, I do. And it's crazy because I got 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.800 my blood work done for the first time and I 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:01.720 want to say maybe a few years, and my levels 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.920 all around with everything was just outstanding. I Mean, the 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.520 doctor looked at my bloods and said, he's like, listen, 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.320 I don't know what you're doing, but whatever you're doing, 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:11.680 keep it up. And it's funny because I remember watching 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.800 the documentary and that was I think one of the 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:19.080 main things a lot of the athletes that they documented 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.480 sit on there was how their blow work was just amazing, 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.440 just because it was just flowing a lot better throughout 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.680 their entire body. Man, I watched a documentary a while 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:31.800 back and they were talking about plant based diets and 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.800 how it can combat serious disease. And from that moment 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.560 and the more literature I come across or the more 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:41.640 information I come across, it's it's the way to go. 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.600 But I'm such a creature of habit and I'm so 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:47.120 I almost wanted to addicted to certain foods you wouldn't 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.320 know by looking at me, but meets a big part 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.359 of that, man Like, it's it's so commendable to be 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.360 able to make that step because it's like throwing away 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:55.560 a lifestyle you've known, like you mentioned for so long. 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.640 Especially a person like that has to you know, maintain 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:00.400 a certain level of weight like you did for along. 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:03.440 It's it's mind belong to me, man Like, congrats again, 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.760 thanks man, Thanks of course. Let's let's talk about professionally now, 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:08.520 like what's what's what's coming up for you down the 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.039 pipe and what are you been up to? I know, 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.200 I think we mentioned the last time we hung out 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:13.839 was because we had to get to the Heat game 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:17.159 from seven ninety. What are you doing these days? Well, 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:21.760 the last time I was actively on the air, UH 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:24.479 down in South Florida. And I say down in South 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:27.880 Florida because I currently lived in West Palm Beach where 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:31.479 I'm from. Was I want to say, you're right when 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:34.719 the season ended because I was doing the post game 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.360 for the Miami Dolphins and I was doing the pregame 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.640 for the Miami Hurricane, So I watched a lot of 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.799 UH Jalen Phillips and a lot of the other guys 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.359 I got drafted his past year from the University of Miami. 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.120 But currently now I'm a free agent, and I love 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:56.240 it because I'm actually relocating to Arizona this summer. One 0:05:56.279 --> 0:06:01.280 thing about me, I'm accustomed to change to where I 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:04.520 can't sit anywhere for a long period of time, Like 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.760 if I feel stagnant, I feel like I have to decide, Okay, 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:09.839 I need something new, I need a new challenge. So 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:15.560 I've always loved Arizona, the Scott Stale Phoenix temper area, 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:18.480 even when we first went out there in two thousand 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.640 and three, when I played in the Fiesta Board. I mean, 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.479 I hate to bring that that Bowl game up, but 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.080 Scott Stale, I want to say, I think about a 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.719 good seven or ten days. And then I just loved 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:29.599 it out there, and I said, you know, when I 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:31.919 get a chance, I want to live out here. And 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.520 again I said that years ago, not knowing you know, 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:36.760 if I was ever going to get that chance, And 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:39.360 here it is. I have that chance, so I'm taking 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:42.200 full advantage of it. You definitely prefer warmer climates, that 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:48.719 is for sure. Absolutely absolutely absolutely, Listen, I had an opportunity. Uh, 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:53.600 anyone that knows me knows I love Toronto. But man, yeah, 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.440 they were winners. They're just it's too much, man, I said, Listen, 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.760 I would just venture to Toronto in the summertime, whether 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.279 it's not gonna happen. Not not gonna work here anymore, 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.160 not going north to the border. I'm down here. It's 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:06.240 a little bit toasty, but you know, I'm getting used 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.000 to It's I always tell my wife if it's better 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.480 than the thirty degree, you know, months we have back 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:12.240 to back to back up there in the Northwest. So 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.400 one thing you do not prefer, Rashad. In my first topic, 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.120 I wanted to get into here and and you know 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.239 before your real area of expertise on the offensive line. 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:22.200 There's something I had to bring up to you because 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.760 I know you're hot about it. It's the Jersey numbers. Now, 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.560 aside from the traditionalist view, I was hoping you could 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.080 explain for the people out there why this could make 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.240 things a little more challenging when it comes to like 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.640 on the football field, because personally at training camp, for instance, 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.720 it's already very tough to keep track of ninety players 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.360 running around and make notes and keep up and take 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.080 good notes. But I think this will only increase the 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:49.120 difficulty of that. So selfish selfishly because of that, you know, 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.800 and trying to track substitutions from the press box from 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.240 the opposing team on game day. I'll have the Dolphins 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.480 numbers memorized, but the opposition is gonna be tough for me. 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:58.720 So tell us how that might be a tough adjustment 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:00.640 when it comes to on the field when you're trying 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:02.600 to I d mic linebackers and find out where the 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:04.720 Russians might be coming from, Like, what's what's the biggest 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:08.080 hang up you have there? So the first team that 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.880 I knew of that really started to tinker with the 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.960 jersey numbers on the defensive s oude of the ball 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.720 were the Baltimore Ravens when they had Rex Ryan and 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.440 uh Marvin Lewis, and they used to have a lot 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.600 of their edge rushers that were in I guess typically 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:31.200 um identified as outside linebackers with you know these anxiety 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.959 like you know, linebacker numbers and numbers and the forties 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.079 and things of that nature. And what it did was 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.000 it caused a lot of confusion because they were so 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:44.079 good at putting guys at different spots. As far as 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.280 you know, they may have a guy with the forty 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.040 something number lined up right over the nose tackle. But 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.599 you knew, like that guy's not that guy's not a 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.160 linebacker because you know, just his body type was a 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:58.160 little bit bigger. So it causes a lot of confusion 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:02.520 for the offensive line, for the quarterback to make ideas 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.480 and adjustments and so forth. And again, like I said, 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.440 that was the first team I remember back when I 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.400 was playing that did it, and it really cost a 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.920 lot of consternation for us. And I mean we spent 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.680 a lot of hours in our meeting rooms leading up to, uh, 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:21.400 that game, just you know, trying to create certain rules 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:24.040 for you know, certain I mean for certain jersey numbers. 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.920 So it causes a lot of consternation. Or like I said, 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.199 the office line in the quarterback. It makes a ton 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.080 of sense that Rex Ryan would do that because he 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.240 was kind of incorrect me if I'm wrong here, but 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.960 one of the originators of that Amba package where you 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.680 kind of yeah, so perfect. It makes total sense that 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.800 he would go for that. That's actually really smart, so perfect, 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.120 but you know, to kind of tie us back together, Rashad, 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:45.800 I was gonna make this comment to you before I 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:47.360 learned about your weight loss. But I was going to 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:49.680 compliment you and say, I think you could rock the 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.400 single digit just fine. Now get my man the number 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:54.600 eight jersey. So when he goes out and pancakes number seven, 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:56.000 me two on the other side of the ball. That 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.080 looks funky in the jersey numbers. But we know who's 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.960 really doing the work there. But know, let's let's go 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.080 ahead and transition here into what we really want to 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.240 talk to you about, Rashad is it's the offensive line 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:08.400 and jump into one season. These Dolphins have been very 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.920 busy this offseason. Actually, before we get to the offensive 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.200 and let's do this, let's let's give me your comprehensive 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.080 Dolphins offseason thoughts. What did you think about the direction 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:17.640 of this team now? Is they're kind of heading into 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.439 the third season under Brian Flora's Yep, you high on them, 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:21.760 you're low on them? Where do you come in on 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:25.000 this Dolphins operation? I'm high And the reason I'm high 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:29.800 is because, like myself, I'm a big planner and I 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:33.280 like to stick to my plan and I just respect 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:37.080 so much what Career and Flores both have done as 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.439 a partnership as far as mapping out a plan from 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.880 day one. When Brian Flores was higher and sticking to 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.000 that plan. And I know for a lot of fans, uh, 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:49.239 you know, when they see guys like Caliban Nooy get cut, 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.800 guys like Shaq loss and get cut, it makes them 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:55.160 kind of, you know, say, I don't like that cut 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.480 makes no sense. But again, these two has these two 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.719 have had a plan I'm referring to Greer and Flores 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.240 from day one, and they're sticking to that plan. I 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:09.360 think that plan is maximizing the value at every position 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:13.240 and at the same time building depth. And when Flores 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.040 came in, I think Flores what he was trying to 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:19.160 do was he was trying to find that, Okay, how 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:23.080 many guys can I acquire for the cheap and find 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:25.920 out who really wants to play this brand of football 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:29.400 offensively and defensively. And once he found out out, he 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.320 kept a lot of those guys. You know, we saw 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.200 last year he brought a lot of guys in that 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.439 he felt um could play that type of football. But 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:39.600 at the same time, you know, I think Chris Greer 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.679 was there to be uh, fiscally smart and say listen, 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.600 you know this is what we want to do, and 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:47.520 you know we're gonna do it, and we may make 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.439 some tough decisions that people may not like, but at 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.520 the end of the day, if it's bettering our team, 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:55.840 and what I mean by that is if we're able 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:59.079 to let cut loose off a guy like Calivan Noor, 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.960 who was a great team leader and played some great 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.120 vould here for the Miami Dolphins in that one year. 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:05.720 But at the same time, you know, we need to 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.200 get a guy like Andrew ban Gikle, who's a lot younger, 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.839 you know what I mean, who is you know, entering 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.440 the prime of his NFL career more snaps. So again, 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:16.400 I get it. So I love everything they've done thus far, 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:18.320 and I think the future is very, very bright for 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:20.640 this organization. For those of you that are new to 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.520 Drive Time or you know, never heard Locked on Dolphins, 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.440 I used to do radio with Zack and Rashad weekly. 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:29.160 It seemed like Rashade we were always talking. And I'm 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.040 telling you like that, it's kind of feeling like it's 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.880 coming back right now because what you just described was 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.200 the thesis of this monologue I had on Wednesday's podcast. 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.839 We're recording this podcast on Tuesday. It comes out Friday. 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:41.960 You're gonna hear it. But the last podcast I did, 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.440 I talked about what you just talked about, and you 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.880 were way way more concise than I was. So good 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.160 on you for that. But man, I'm so excited. And 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.280 of course a lot of those moves and activity have 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.760 come up front on the offensive line again, your bread 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.080 and butter. Eight years in the NFL. Let's go ahead 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.120 and start and break this thing down with the newcomers. 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.160 And let's go ahead and start with the draft. Second down, 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.440 forty second pick in the draft, Dophins come up eight 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.920 spots to select Notre Dame's Liam Eichenberg, and I want 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:07.720 to just get your break down his game, like what 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.240 do you think he does best? Working to use some improvement? 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.160 Where does he factor into this team? And I have 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.760 to imagine, Rashad, you are a fan of the technique 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.440 of this kid. Listen, you hit it right on the head. 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.319 I was gonna say that because one thing about me, 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:23.560 I wasn't the biggest guy anyone that knows my career. 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:27.360 I played in the Shanahan and Kubiak system, which is 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.839 very wide zone heavy, and a lot of us up front, 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:32.160 you know, we were at the most maybe I would 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.720 say three ten or lighter. I think the biggest guy 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:37.920 we had at the time was Dwayne Brown, who I 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.600 think it was like three twenty. But you know, being 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:44.600 that light, you'd have to play with great technique. And 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:48.680 when I watch uh Liam Eichenberg, he just plays with 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:52.080 great technique and he's consistent with it, man, And you know, 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.160 he's a guy that he's not an overly big guy. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.600 And I was surprised that the Dolphins, you know, drafted 0:13:57.679 --> 0:13:59.679 him so high because you know, if you look at 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.720 with the Dolphins, I guess look for in the office 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:04.680 a linement, they look for guys that are big, like 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:07.240 guys that are about three twenty plus, you know what 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.320 I mean. I think the smallest guy right now is 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.120 what Matt Skurrett, if I'm not mistaken, But I mean, 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.800 you know, other than that, I mean, everybody else is 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:18.360 like about three plus, you know. So I was surprised 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:20.000 when they got him. But you know, the more I 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:21.680 watched his film, and you know, I got a chance 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:23.680 to watch him a little bit throughout the season, I said, listen, 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.880 it makes sense because this guy is technically sound. And 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:30.120 one thing I believe along your offensive line is your 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:33.360 tackles have to be not only athletic, but they have 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.400 to be the most technically sound along the line of 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:41.120 scrimmage because those guys are going up against some freak athletes, 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:44.320 whether it's you know, outside linebacker standing up, whether it's 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:47.000 you know, defensive ends who look like Miles Garrett who 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.280 can run you know, a fourth six, four five and 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.360 a forty. So you need those guys to be technically 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:55.520 sound consistently. He's gonna get some education through Manual Agball 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.560 and Jayleen Phillips too, because we talked about the athletic 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:00.120 ability of Phillips. My goodness, that dude can bend, he 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.120 can he can run the arc. He's got an arsenal 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.280 of pass rush moves. That's for another podcast from the 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:06.520 other day. But you talk about leam Meikenberg gets. I'm 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.040 glad you you mentioned the size thing because you know 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.640 you mentioned three twenty. That's about where Austin Jackson is, 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.960 Rob Hunts pushing three thirty, Solomon Kinley's three forty, d J. 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.640 Fluker three forty, and Eric Flowers was here last year 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:20.960 was also in that same range. So he's different. But 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.480 like you mentioned, I think he was probably, if not 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.600 the top on the top two or three plug and 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:27.640 play tackles in this class, so I have to imagine 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:29.880 he gets a real good shot to start at right 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.400 tackle on opening day. We go to the end of 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:34.640 the draft and the other side of the offensive line. 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.760 Larnel Coleman played left tackle at ums Rashot. I'm not 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:39.760 sure if he got much U Mass taping you over 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.040 the time we talked about this podcast. But this kid's 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.480 an athletic player, played basketball, has a crazy wingspan. What 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.400 do you notice in his game? You know, I haven't 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.400 got a chance to watch any U Mass film, but 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.720 I did some research on him and the one thing 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.840 that stands out to me and I have this this issue, 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.120 which is a good issue to have when you're playing 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.000 UH tackle in the UH in the NFL, this he 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:04.800 has some long arms, and you want your tackles to 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:08.600 have arm a limp because that is very important when, 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.800 like I said, you're responsible for creating the width of 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:14.760 the pocket. And one thing I heard UH in the 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.000 interview you did with him that I think makes a 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.120 lot of sense. And I encourage more offensive alignment to 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.320 go this route when they are younger, and I understand 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.720 it's kind of hard to I guess, no, you're gonna 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.080 play offensive line you grow up because no one wants 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.800 to play that position. But you know, I remember him 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:33.120 saying in your interview that he looked like he looked 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.720 at the offensive line position more to playing defensive basketball. 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.160 And it is because a lot of my great footwork 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:44.400 that I had throughout my career came from playing basketball. Uh. 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.480 After I played baseball, I played basketball for quite some time. 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.000 I played basketball a little bit in high school, in 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.840 and so forth. Then, Uh, I actually accustomed my great 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:58.440 you know, footwork uh throughout my career. Uh, I mean 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:00.920 due to that time playing BASKETBA on. So when you 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:02.760 say that, I said, listen, I said, I know for 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:04.840 a fact this kid is going to be able to 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:08.320 mirror a lot of great athletes that play on the 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.879 outside that he's gonna be going up against the NFL. 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:12.920 I love the way he put it. He talked about 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.159 it's like it's like playing defense where you stay in 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.199 between your man the basket. It's like staying between your 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.199 man and the quarterback. That's all it is. I actually 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.160 heard I think it was Daniel Jeremias and the exact 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.800 same thing about leam Meikenberg. Like you're gonna find him 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:25.879 between your quarterback in the past rusher and that's the 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:27.840 only thing you can do as an offensive lineman. So 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.160 it's a it's a cool philosophy. I think he's got. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:32.960 He definitely has some developing to do. Obviously, U mass 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.160 kid kind of raw rough around the edges, but he's 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:37.119 in a good program for it, Lemille John Pierre is 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.160 a good coach for it. So looking forward to seeing 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.399 what he can do this season. Like I told you earlier, 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:43.440 training camp was only a few months away. Man, I 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.760 can't wait to see this freaking team on the field. 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.440 I can't wait. And so and two more reasons, you know, 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:50.280 I'm excited about it. A couple more editions on the 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:52.560 offensive line, and we go to Baltimore, a couple of 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.960 guys that defected from Baltimore that's the right word. I 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.200 don't know. But Matt Scurry, you mentioned him earlier in 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.000 the pivot center the center position, kind of a position 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:03.200 shing that this team, maybe him and maybe Michael Dieter 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.240 could compete for that spot. Will find out what happens. 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.399 But I wentn't back and watched his tape in twenty nineteen. 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:09.320 He was a damn good player, just kind of ran 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.720 some snap issues last year. What you see on tape 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:16.720 with Matt Skura very physical, uh, And I like this. 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:22.159 I have nothing against Ted Carriss. I think Ted Carress 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:25.199 did a great job last year as far as holding 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:29.680 that offensive line together and getting guys along the offensive 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.160 line on the right guys, because I think Ted Carress 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.560 showed that he was very, very smart. And I think, 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.040 you know, Matt Skurrett is a very smart singer as well, 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:41.360 because listen, to play in the NFL at that position, 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:43.479 you have to be a smart guy. Mean, you have 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:46.879 to know everything about the opposing defense as much as 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.240 the quarterback does. The guy who you're snapping the ball to, 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:51.600 like you and him have to be on the same page. 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:55.080 But I just think Matt Skurrett plays a more physical 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:57.960 brand of football, the brand of football that I think 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.080 Brian Floydes and Chris Greer want to play. Up front. 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.760 You're starting to see it. And the guys that they 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.719 not only drafted last year, but the guys that they 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.840 drafted this year, uh, and even the guys that they 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:13.040 brought in as far as Matt Scara and d J Fluku, 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:16.640 I think is a very very physical guy. I think, 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:18.720 you know my only right with d J flu Gridge. 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:20.720 You know, at times I think he tries to use 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.920 his physicality too much and he kind of gets beat 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:26.760 by a lot of quicker guys. But listen, once he 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.880 gets his hands on you, I mean, it's a wrap, man, 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.359 It is a rap. So I like what the Darkness 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:34.720