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Speaker 3: former NFL quarterback, caused a little bit of a stir

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Speaker 3: yesterday when he joined us here in the man Cave

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Speaker 3: when we were talking about a variety of things with

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Speaker 3: the draft coming up, quarterbacks that he likes that he

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Speaker 3: may not like. And then I pose the question if

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Speaker 3: the Bears draft Caleb Williams, and then I said, finish

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Speaker 3: the sentence.

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Speaker 4: If they take him, I would be you better be

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Speaker 4: under the understanding that you're gonna sit him this year,

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Speaker 4: and that's not going to happen.

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Speaker 3: So why would you sit him well?

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Speaker 4: Because seventy five percent of what he made him so

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Speaker 4: great in college is not transferable to the NFL.

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Speaker 2: He's not going to be able to do that.

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Speaker 4: He can't do what he did in college seventy five

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Speaker 4: percent of the time and be successful at the NFL level.

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Speaker 4: He can do the twenty five percent heart at the

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Speaker 4: NFL level, but he needs some time. He needs to

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Speaker 4: get under center. He needs to understand and how to

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Speaker 4: throw on time on platform from the pocket, what he

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Speaker 4: can do off platform is what makes exciting because he

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Speaker 4: may be one of the most talented quarterbacks in this

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Speaker 4: year's draft. And many of you had radio talk show hosts.

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Speaker 4: They were saying that Ryan Leave, what does he know

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Speaker 4: he was a bust? He does know because he was

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Speaker 4: a bust. He said he should have sat his first

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Speaker 4: year in San Diego when the Chargers were in San Diego.

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Speaker 3: He needed to. He needed to kind of figure out

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Speaker 3: what the NFL life on and off the field was

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Speaker 3: all about. Now, is Caleb Williams a cautionary tale here?

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Speaker 3: I have no idea, but if you're going to compare

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Speaker 3: him to Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes sat his first year

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Speaker 3: behind Alex Smith. Now we know how that's worked out.

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Speaker 3: They were twelve and four, they were already a good

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Speaker 3: team and established team. They didn't need him to come

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Speaker 3: in and play right away. The Bears are hungry for

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Speaker 3: a winner, and if you're going to draft Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 3: you would want him to play right away. Sometimes you'll

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Speaker 3: have battle scars, you'll get PTSD by being out there,

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Speaker 3: and all of a sudden you get into bad habits

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Speaker 3: and then you don't correct those because you're still trying

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Speaker 3: to make plays. You're still trying to be a one

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Speaker 3: man show, and you can't do that. It's really, really,

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Speaker 3: really rare in the NFL. So what Ryan is saying

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Speaker 3: to say that.

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Speaker 2: Dan or A.

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Speaker 3: Lobsky talked about that. He said, you can't get away

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Speaker 3: with six or seven seconds where you're running around and

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Speaker 3: you're looking for a receiver. That won't happen in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: But you are comparing him to Patrick Mahomes. Therefore, well,

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Speaker 3: he's got a play right away when people aren't realizing

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Speaker 3: or they're forgetting. Patrick Mahomes sat a year, and he

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Speaker 3: talked about sitting a year, and he talked about learning

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Speaker 3: from Alex Smith and Andy Reid and probably helped him considerably.

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady he didn't start right away. The draft is

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Speaker 3: littered with quarterbacks who did start right away, and then

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Speaker 3: those who didn't. And then you know, it used to

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Speaker 3: be you sat at least one or two years. At

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Speaker 3: least Steve McNair did that. I think he sat for

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Speaker 3: three years. Aaron Rodgers sat, Carson Palmer when he came

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Speaker 3: out he's sat a year, so it's not outlandish to

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Speaker 3: say it. I think people are reacting that way, like,

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Speaker 3: what are you talking about? Okay, that's just his opinion.

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Speaker 3: He played the position, he failed at the position. He

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Speaker 3: understands the pressures of the position. Therefore, I would look

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Speaker 3: at him as an expert. Probably didn't think he'd be

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Speaker 3: an expert on this situation, but he is because he

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Speaker 3: went through it and said he should have sat for

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Speaker 3: a year. Now, maturity level that could be a big

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Speaker 3: difference here with Caleb Williams and Ryan Leaf. In fairness

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Speaker 3: to Caleb Williams, Patrick Mahomes dad with a former professional athlete.

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Speaker 3: He felt like he seemed like he was ready to go,

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Speaker 3: but they drafted him, they went up to get him,

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Speaker 3: and they had him sit for a little bit. So

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's crazy to say it. I think

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Speaker 3: in today's NFL we're like, well, Bryce Young started right away,

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Speaker 3: how Bryce Young does on a bad team. And the

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Speaker 3: fact that he played he didn't play well. Now you

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Speaker 3: can say, all right, you need to be out there

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Speaker 3: and you need to play quarterbacks will tell you two

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Speaker 3: things they'll say, you gotta be in action, you got

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Speaker 3: to figure it out, or man, it's great to be

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Speaker 3: bit more about the nuance in playing the position. And

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Speaker 3: I think that's what Ryan Leaf is saying. Hey, I

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Speaker 3: would have him sit. Twenty five percent of what he

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Speaker 3: does is Patrick Mahomes. It's the seventy five percent that

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Speaker 3: you can't get away with, and you won't know that

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Speaker 3: until you actually try to do it. But that was

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Speaker 3: the big stir yesterday that Ryan created. We'll talk to

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Speaker 3: Chris Sims about that coming up as well. All right,

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Speaker 3: pull question today, Satan, what are you thinking about? Well,

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Speaker 3: why don't we start right there with Ryan Leaf? All

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Speaker 3: right and his comments? I might need some help wording

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Speaker 3: this correctly, Okay, okay, but I was to say Ryan

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Speaker 3: Leaf's comments on Caleb Williams r. Dot dot dot based

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Speaker 3: in experience or for clicks?

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Speaker 2: Oh, for clicks.

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Speaker 5: There might be other ways to say that they are

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Speaker 5: smart and measured or crazy trying to give you two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if he did it for clicks,

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Speaker 3: unless he was trying to help because he's getting him.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know when somebody's trying to get well, I

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Speaker 3: do know when people are trying to get clicks. I

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Speaker 3: didn't think that in the moment, like man Ryan's saying

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Speaker 3: something really crazy for clicks, I would I would use

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Speaker 3: the options off it's crazy or you know, it's measured

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Speaker 3: and smart, smart measures and crazy or crazy?

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Speaker 2: All right? Sure? Why not?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Paul, didn't Eli.

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Speaker 6: Manning sit half his rookie year, almost all his rookie year,

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Speaker 6: And that was probably pretty radical at the time. I

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Speaker 6: don't know if that was radical time. I think Eli

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Speaker 6: Manning I got him starting seven I'm sorry he started

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Speaker 6: seven games a rooki year. He set the first half well.

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Speaker 3: Also keep in mind that, Okay, he didn't want to

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Speaker 3: and then we're thinking, okay, this guy's ready to play,

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Speaker 3: and then he doesn't play, and I think people were like, well,

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Speaker 3: wait a minute, you know you made this big deal

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Speaker 3: about not wanting to play there, now you go to

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Speaker 3: the Giants. You're not even ready to play right away.

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Speaker 3: But Eli did sit for a little while. Yeah, Paul,

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Speaker 3: could you make the case.

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Speaker 6: I wonder if you could do a study that quarterbacks

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Speaker 6: first round quarterback sets set at least half of the

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Speaker 6: rookie year turned out better. Eli worked out, Philip Rivers

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Speaker 6: worked out, Carson Palmer worked out Mahomes like unbelievably worked

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Speaker 6: out all set a big chunker all of their rookie year.

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Speaker 6: That's a lot of names off the top of my head. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: and then how about a guy like Zach Wilson who

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Speaker 6: started I think week four with the Jets. If you

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Speaker 6: had a do over knowing, you know, now sit Zach

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Speaker 6: Wilson for a year, Sam Darnold, even a guy with

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Speaker 6: Jameis Winston. You know, he's a kind of a gunslinger.

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Speaker 6: He had some good moments and bad months. I don't

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Speaker 6: think it would have mattered with him, probably not, But

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Speaker 6: maybe he would have learned more maturity and discipline at

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I just it always sounds radical. We have no but

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Speaker 6: no fans like hearing that stars are sitting. We want

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Speaker 6: to watch true to the detriment of our franchise.

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Speaker 3: True, you're if you're going number one, chances are you're

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Speaker 3: going to a bad team. What can you be the

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Speaker 3: think we're misled. We're like, oh, we got our quarterback, okay,

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Speaker 3: I mean Carolina might have their quarterback in Bryce Young.

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Speaker 3: We're not going to know for maybe another year or

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Speaker 3: two years if he is or he isn't.

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Speaker 3: Stroud, we know he is with the Texans, but I

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Speaker 3: think that's rare and Bryce Young, you bring him in,

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Speaker 3: you're going to be our starter day one, no matter what,

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Speaker 3: You're going to have him played. I said at the time,

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Speaker 3: I would have sat him. I would have sat him

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Speaker 3: because the team isn't very good. I would have him

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Speaker 3: just at least understand as much as possible, absorb as much,

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Speaker 3: and then when you get put into action, maybe you

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Speaker 3: get a little bit of a cheat sheet that will

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Speaker 3: help you with the test when you go out there.

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Speaker 3: Guys will say this all the time. Game is fast.

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Speaker 3: You know, everything happens so quickly. Every athlete is a

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Speaker 3: great athlete. You're not taking advantage of people, and if

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Speaker 3: you don't have weapons out there, you're not going to succeed,

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Speaker 3: plain and simple, no matter how good you are. I've

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Speaker 3: said this before. I could put Patrick Mahomes on Carolina.

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Speaker 3: He's not Patrick Mahomes, just not. But you're getting with

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Speaker 3: weapons and a great coach, and he will take you

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Speaker 3: to the super Bowl again and again and again. As

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Speaker 3: we've seen that. You know, Tom Brady said when we

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Speaker 3: interviewed him years ago, and I said, what would have

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Speaker 3: happened if you were a first round pick? And he said,

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Speaker 3: I'd probably be out of the league. I wasn't ready

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Speaker 3: to play. So the greatest quarterback of all time, Joe Montana,

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Speaker 3: didn't start right away. I don't think Dan Marino started

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Speaker 6: No, he shared time. I think rookie heear with Don Struck.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think so. But you know, the quarterbacks will say, hey,

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Speaker 3: you got to make mistakes, got to learn from those mistakes.

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Speaker 3: But there's quarterbacks who never recovered and they played bad

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Speaker 3: football and they never recovered. Yeah, pull, I got a.

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Speaker 6: he didn't play a lot under center, he needs some

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Speaker 5: By the way, Chris Sims having Drake May is the

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Speaker 3: and when I ask you about what Ryan Leif said

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Speaker 2: Every player's different, right, But I'm still more in a

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Speaker 2: football have. And this is to me the Mahomes effect.

430
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 2: He has the ability to look down the field and

431
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 2: still see the rush and all see it clearly.

432
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:48,479
Speaker 9: Right.

433
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 2: I was led to believe Dan. I mean, if you

434
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 2: just go by talk, I thought Jayden, I thought Caleb

435
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 2: Williams threw forty interceptions this year. Oh and then I'm

436
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 2: starting this process. And you know, that's the first time

437
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 2: I pull up stats and I go, so thirty and

438
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 2: five and three of them are in one game. And

439
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 2: if you look at the context of the Notre Dame

440
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: game a little bit there, they're not that hard to

441
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 2: like figure out or I could even maybe, you know,

442
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 2: give him a pass for the first two interceptions. He

443
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 2: takes care of the ball at an incredibly high level,

444
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 2: especially for the way he plays and the what he

445
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 2: was asked to do to carry that team. So I

446
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't That's one where I really like

447
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels. And like I said, his ability to run

448
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 2: it is at this world good. He's got good size

449
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 2: to throw over the line of scrimmage. He can push

450
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 2: the ball down the field, but making people miss in

451
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 2: the pocket, not like Caleb Williams. Different arm angles. Jadan

452
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 2: Daniels doesn't really have that. It's the same same arm

453
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 2: angle every throw.

454
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 3: You almost sound offended if somebody goes before Caleb Williams.

455
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 2: Yes, I would be one hundred Thank you for saying that.

456
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 2: That's what I and I And again, let me just

457
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 2: make this clear. I've never liked my top five quarterbacks

458
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 2: more than I like the top five this year. And

459
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 2: I put Jayden Daniels, as you've seen already, in a

460
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 2: tier of his own, at tier number two and classified

461
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 2: it as he's the number one pick in most years.

462
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, though, is slam dunk like I'm not making

463
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: some proclamation. This isn't like some years where I've gone, well,

464
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I really like this guy's talent

465
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: a lot, so I'll go with that. Right, I'm gonna

466
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: do it right. I might have made that mistake with

467
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson, this is one, and it ignored maybe some

468
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 2: of the quarterbacky things that I should have looked at Jaden.

469
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: I mean, Caleb Williams, the quarterbacky stuff is off the charts. Good.

470
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 2: Like I said, it's off the charts. Good. Let alone.

471
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: You know me, Dan, I always say this to you.

472
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 2: I'm big into does he take advantage of what's there

473
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: when people are open, or the right defense and the

474
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 2: read and all that. He's almost slam dunk in that category.

475
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: And then when there's nothing there. Man, he's as good

476
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 2: as I've ever seen coming out of college football. Right,

477
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 2: let's group, go ahead, let's let everybody, let's regroup. I

478
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: can't see you guys today. I'm sorry. I can only

479
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 2: see myself.

480
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 3: So well, that's what you love, that's what you love.

481
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you?

482
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,479
Speaker 3: So Chris Sims Pro Football Time Live co host, Here,

483
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 3: what if Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow, and Caleb

484
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 3: Williams were all available this year? Wow, you're really gonna

485
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 3: put me to the test here, huh. I'm going to

486
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 3: see how much you love Caleb Williams.

487
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean he's in the class of that crew. There,

488
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: you said, Andrew Luck, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Williams, and

489
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence right right, listen. I would put him in

490
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: front of Trevor for sure, okay, right Burrow' I mean,

491
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: coming out, I would put him in front of Burrow.

492
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 2: You know, it's hard to say that because I've seen

493
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 2: Burrow and he's made adjustments to his game, and he's

494
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 2: talked to me and how he got his arms stronger

495
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 2: and fixed mechanical things to get the arm stronger. Right,

496
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 2: So as a prospect, I gotta make sure I'm saying

497
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: thinking this about this right coming out, Yeah, I would.

498
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 2: I would take Caleb Williams over Joe Burrow coming out.

499
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would, But you would still take Andrew Luck.

500
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: It's close. It'd be close. It'd be close, but i'd

501
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 2: be I'm telling you that's how highly I think of Caleb. Yeah, okay,

502
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: it's it's it's in that class.

503
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: So Caleb one, Jayden Daniels two, give us three four

504
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 3: five well Bow Knicks, Michael Pennix Junior, JJ McCarthy that's

505
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 3: my three four five.

506
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 2: I have them in the same tier. Right, It's very

507
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 2: close there. It's a little beauty of the you know,

508
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: eye of the beholder. What you need, what you want there.

509
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 2: Bow Nixt to me is the guy that's not getting

510
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: get enough credit for his physical ability, right, you know,

511
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: you know, he's got a good arm. His arm's not

512
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 2: as strong as Caleb Williams or Caleb Williams or Jayden Daniels.

513
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 2: It's not that, but it's still strong. He doesn't need

514
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: a lot of room to throw the football. He can

515
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 2: throw twenty yard out routes and the and throws down

516
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,479
Speaker 2: the field with people around him, and he doesn't need

517
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: space to gather up to let it go. Right. He's

518
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: got a very quick release. I would say his release

519
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 2: might be second as far as quickness compared to Caleb Williams.

520
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: And the other thing I would say, other than Caleb Williams,

521
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: he probably has the most arm angles to go along

522
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: with it.

523
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:21,479
Speaker 3: Right.

524
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,479
Speaker 2: He's really, you know, fits an NFL offense as far

525
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: as great decision maker, very accurate with the football, and

526
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: like Caleb Williams, has a lot of different clubs in

527
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 2: the bag. Right. That's where I would say Jaden daniels

528
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: strong arm can make all the throws, but I don't

529
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 2: think he's got the variety of throws bow knicks, and

530
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams have let alone bow knicks scrambling. Right, Jaden

531
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: Williams clearly the best runner, no doubt about Daniels, Jayden Daniels,

532
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: I keep messing that up. Sorry about that. Jaden Daniels

533
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 2: by far the best runner, scrambling, buying time in the pocket,

534
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: making people miss there, and then making throws. Caleb Williams

535
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 2: of bow Knicks would be my second in that department,

536
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: and that's big for me. But bo Nix's plays off

537
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: schedule or are eye popping. They are so I look

538
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: like he long in college, like it's definitely hurt him.

539
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,239
Speaker 2: And then the screens right because he threw a lot

540
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: of screens and he's good at it. Their offense is

541
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: basically like throw a screen or throw the ball down

542
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: the field. That's what they did. It made sense for

543
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: what they are. They got these jitterbug small receivers. They

544
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: can catch screens and make people missing get yards and

545
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 2: then oh wait, you creep up a little bit too

546
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: much to be aggressive on the screens, They run by

547
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: you and take a shot. That's what it was. But

548
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: that's being used against bow Nicks a little bit. Let alone.

549
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 2: I think you're right with his age and all that.

550
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 2: I look at bow Knicks and I kept thinking, man

551
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: Sean Payton's watching bow Knicks going, I like this guy

552
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: He reminds me of Drew Brees, except he might be

553
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: a better athlete than Drew Brees. And I had a

554
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 2: hard time getting that on my brain. And you know

555
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix after that, pure thrower, pocket passer, gonna make

556
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: big throws down the field outside the numbers, total gunslinger.

557
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: I don't think he fits as many offenses, maybe as

558
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: bow Knicks does. But you put him in the shotgun, right,

559
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: you give him some protection. He's gonna dice you up

560
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: and make one big throw after another. The big thing

561
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 2: with him, like bow Nicks, the age and then the body,

562
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 2: the injury history. He is a little bit of a

563
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 2: frail build that's gonna scare some people off Fifth JJ

564
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: McCarthy played in the least quarterback friendly offense you could

565
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: play in, Dan Like, I mean, come on, it's run

566
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 2: the ball, Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball. Hey,

567
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: it's third and thirteen. You're not in rhythm. Now throw

568
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: a rifle shot for us. And he did more times

569
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: than not. He has so many good fifteen to thirty

570
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: yard throws down the field. He works the pocket like

571
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: a pro already, and again, like bow Knicks and Kayleb Williams,

572
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: I would say JJ McCarthy was third, with different arm angles,

573
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: throwing through little holes, adjusting the throws that way, and

574
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: he can extend plays. I've never liked a five like

575
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: I like the five this year. And yeah, that three

576
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: four five area is very tight.

577
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: Dan. Okay, let's say the Patriots called you drowd. Mayo said, hey, Chris,

578
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: I know you've done a deep dive on Drake May. Right,

579
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: we're thinking about taking him at three right, what would

580
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: you tell him?

581
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: I would I would tell him, you know, with all

582
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: due respect, that's crazy, That's what I would say. Okay,

583
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: I'd go, you know, listen, like if you're if you're

584
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: trying to strike gold, you know, three or four years

585
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: from now. Okay, sure, but Drake may and and and again,

586
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: this is where I don't like my job. Right, there's

587
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: a lot, there's there's things to like. There's no doubt

588
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: about it. If you watch a highlight tape, you're gonna go, wow,

589
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: look at all those great throws, and he looks the part.

590
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: He's prototypical six four two thirty, right, you know, he's

591
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: what people look for as far as those along those lines.

592
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: But I don't care if it's the best game he's

593
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: ever had or whatever. There is way too many throws

594
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: and decisions that are not up to part of being

595
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: a top ten pick, a top fifteen pick, a top

596
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 2: twenty pick for that matter. He is a little bit

597
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: of a project. He has mechanical issues. He makes throws

598
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: dan right, even completions. I mean, go back watch his game.

599
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: He throws for four hundred yards against Syracuse. Four hundred yards.

600
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: I'm expecting, man, it's gonna be one. He should have

601
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: thrown for seven hundred yards. He misses people completions where

602
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: I go, oh, if he throws this on the money,

603
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: this guy's gonna run for another fifty yard. They gotta

604
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: go down to the ground, they gotta go go behind them,

605
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: or the balls not even in their vicinity, right, So

606
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: there's work to be done there. I feel bad by

607
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: Drake for Drake May, just because I feel like a

608
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: lot of unqualified people made qualifying statements and built him

609
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: up to a spot. But I have a hard time

610
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: thinking the NFL is gonna look at Drake May's tape

611
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 2: and I think you're gonna hear more and more people

612
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: where it's gonna come down more to where I see

613
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: it as the really important evaluators get into this because

614
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: you're gonna realize wait, decision making raw right movement in

615
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: the pocket, he can really run straight away, but hopping

616
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: around the pocket where the NFL making plays in that

617
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: little area, that's extremely important. He does not thrive in

618
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: that area let alone. There's way too many off target throws.

619
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: And that's where I say he's a little bit of

620
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: a potential project. That's kind of how I classify Drake May.

621
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: Were you this excited on your wedding day? Probably not.

622
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: I was probably a little nervous and like, damn, I'm young,

623
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: and gosh, I like this hot WiFi guy and she's awesome,

624
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: but I don't know how this is gonna work. I'm

625
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: not sure.

626
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 3: So were you Are you more confident about Caleb Williams

627
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: or the woman that you were going to marry.

628
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: I was pretty even confident about the woman I was

629
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: going to carry. I saw my wife sophomore year in

630
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: high school and really kind of knew I was gonna

631
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: marry her. So that's a pretty strong statement, right, Yeah,

632
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: But it feels like you really really love of Caleb Williams.

633
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 3: I I do.

634
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: I do. Like I said, I love c J. Stroud

635
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: last year. I was in amazement last year where I

636
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: was like, wow, a lot of people got him as

637
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: the third quarterback. I just I couldn't understand it.

638
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: Right.

639
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: I feel even stronger probably about Caleb Williams again, a

640
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: lot of Kleb Williams problems. I would love to sit

641
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: down with people and go, this has nothing to do

642
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: with Kayleb Williams. Look, nobody's open, nobody's protected, right, this

643
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: is a usc problem. Stop blaming Caleb Williams for this.

644
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: That's not and I think that's where that win loss

645
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: record stats. People look into that too much and they

646
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: make judgments off of that too much.

647
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: Always great to talk to you, Thank you, thank you.

648
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: How the guys?

649
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: I said, Hi, I will guys, Chris sims says, hellok, hey, guys,

650
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 3: what's up? He didn't love you the way he loves

651
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams.

652
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: No, definitely not. You guys are Kayleb Williams. You can't

653
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: throw the ball out he.

654
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: Can, thank you, that said Chris Sims bro Football Talk Live. Wow,

655
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 3: he was excited, he was sweaty, Yes he was. Yeah,

656
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: he was frothing, frothing, yes.

657
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 8: Pole question, do any of you guys love your kids

658
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 8: as much as Chris Simms loves Caleb Williams.

659
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: Well love.

660
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 6: How about confidence and their abilities, that's a different topic.

661
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

662
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: I don't know if he loves Caleb Williams the person,

663
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: but he loves Caleb Williams the football player. I'm pretty

664
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: sure Chris is lighting up a cigarette right now.

665
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 6: Oh, he needs a few minutes and he's gotta talk

666
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 6: about this one again.

667
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: That was so good.

668
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 3: I don't know if I could talk about Kayleb Williams

669
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: again anytime soon. I'm gonna have to regroup, if you

670
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

671
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 8: Come down to the kitchen the next morning. Yeah, take

672
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 8: a cup of coffee.

673
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: Good morning Caleb, Yeah, good morning Chris. That was something.

674
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Speaker 1: Search FSR to listen live. Oh, God.

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Speaker 3: Of the Day, left God play. This is the play

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Speaker 3: of the day.

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Speaker 7: Check this out.

681
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: Top of the key, swings it over to Moody. He'll

682
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 3: drive on the liler back up top to Draymond.

683
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: Top of the key.

684
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: Three.

685
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: That's his first fourth quarter three of the year and

686
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 2: it makes it one oh seven to eighty five about.

687
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: Milwaukee nine points, lowest scoring fourth quarter since nineteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 3: That's courtesy of the Game Warriors Radio Network. Out of

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00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 3: It seems like every night somebody has come back from

695
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: at least twenty down. You had the Magic they were

696
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 3: down twenty one, Clippers they were down twenty and then

697
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 3: I was curious the number of games this year where

698
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: you've had teams that have come back from at least

699
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: twenty points, And doesn't it feel like that's commonplace now?

700
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 3: The number of teams that have been able to do

701
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 3: this magic rallied from twenty one down. They beat the Wizards,

702
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 3: Clippers were down twenty, they beat the Rockets. Some crazy

703
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 3: crazy stats here, like the Grizzlies have fifteen road winds.

704
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: They have seven home wins, the only team with twice

705
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: as many road wins as they do home wins. All right,

706
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: let's see. Paulie says, there's a sporting event that was

707
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 3: just announced and we have to decide if we're going

708
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: to well not, Actually, there's major breaking news that we

709
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 3: need to get to first.

710
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 6: Then you take it, y'all.

711
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 3: Start it's not my story.

712
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 6: So oftentimes during the show, we send emails to the

713
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 6: group of stories that are happening and whatever may be,

714
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 6: and they go around and some are big, some are small,

715
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 6: and so Frizzi just sent around a store. Sorry. And

716
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 6: I turned to him after he sent it to the group.

717
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 6: I said, Todd, I don't think this is that big

718
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 6: to you know, really something we're going to jump into,

719
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 6: and he goes, I think it's a really big story

720
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 6: and I would like to present it in you and

721
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 6: Seatan canern. Okay, the headline is.

722
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 5: Hold on, there has been a cut. Somebody was released.

723
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 5: Somebody was released.

724
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: Yes, in the NFL.

725
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 6: Okay Pro Bowl Safety was releasing it Pro Bowl.

726
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 3: Safety and it's not Jamal Adams. He's already been released.

727
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 6: NFLLL never insider Ian Rapport reported that Denver Broncos Pro

728
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 6: Bowl safety Justin Simmons has been released. Fritzy email that's everybody,

729
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 6: and I did not think of as that big star.

730
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 7: To me, him and Sertana like the biggest defensive backs

731
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 7: for the Broncos. Great that the Broncos.

732
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 3: Aren't your team.

733
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: Good for your team.

734
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 7: But even if I wasn't a Bronco fan, I think

735
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 7: Justin Simmons to me, is a pretty big name in

736
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 7: the NFL. As far as it would you break into coverage, No,

737
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 7: I didn't suggest that we break it to coverage here,

738
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 7: but I think it's worth the mention if you're going

739
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 7: to talk about Seattle and Buffalo, not comparing him to

740
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 7: every single one of those guys. But that's something I

741
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 7: think people would be interested to hear that Justin Simmons

742
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 7: was released by Denver, especially in the direction that team

743
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 7: is going.

744
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I don't know if that's a big story.

745
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: Seat and I'll ask you a big story or not

746
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 3: a big story. It didn't strike me as a big story, okay, Marvin,

747
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 3: big story or not a big story? Not a big story, okay, Paulie,

748
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: big story or not a big story.

749
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 6: At this point in the show, I would say not

750
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 6: not one.

751
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 3: To sund Okay, maybe like late final hour of the show,

752
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 3: maybe it's a throw in or something.

753
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, but we like to see our news as it's

754
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 7: happening two hours after.

755
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 3: I'll Vincent bigger day. He's probably a top six safety

756
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 3: on the Bronco oh top six maybe. Oh, he's a

757
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl safety. Okay, fair enough, good player?

758
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 7: All right?

759
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 5: Yes, Marv, pro Bowl alternate. Oh, I don't know, Okay,

760
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 5: I don't know. Bigger news Justin Simmons being released, Jordan

761
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 5: Poyer being released. I would say, Jordan Poyer, you think so?

762
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 3: It feels like Buffalo Bill's getting rid of a couple

763
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: of defensive backs and now all of a sudden, they've

764
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: added more pressure for Josh Allen. He didn't need any

765
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: more pressure, but he got more pressure. But thank you, Tom.

766
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 7: I think for a team that's spiraling out of control

767
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 7: and all the Russell Wilson news just on this on

768
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 7: top of it, it's.

769
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: Interesting to say the least you're gonna die on this hill, aren't.

770
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 7: Especially because NFL free agent news is the number one story,

771
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 7: and I don't even know what would be second. I

772
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 7: don't think any of us canna come up with without

773
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 7: forcing it. What the second big story today in the

774
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 7: sports is.

775
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 3: All Right, this is This the one of their two

776
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 3: biggest stories today right so far, I.

777
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 7: Think it's in the mix with NFL free agency news,

778
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 7: and then after NFL preac news, it's just regular NBA

779
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 7: games and training and I'm not sure what.

780
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 3: Okay, PAULI do you have something to top this the

781
00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 3: release of Justin.

782
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 6: I'm not going there, Dan, I'm not gonna try to

783
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 6: top that, but I do have a sporting event has

784
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 6: just been announced. We're gonna play. Are you buying it?

785
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 3: Like?

786
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 6: Would you pay forty bucks to pay per view this one?

787
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: Or whatever? May be? Okay?

788
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 6: As she was, It's on Netflix, though. All you do

789
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 6: is be a Netflix subscriber. Jake Paul, the boxer slash

790
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 6: YouTube star, is just announced a fight July twentieth live

791
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 6: Cowboys Stadium, exclusively on Netflix. He's fighting Mike Tyson in

792
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 6: a real fight. Jake Paul Mike Tyson, July twentieth. Yeah

793
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 6: you tune in? Yeah, I think people are gonna tune

794
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 6: in this one, but.

795
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 3: They're tuning in to see Jake Paul get his butt

796
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: handed to him.

797
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 6: Mike Tyson's gonna have a lot of people in this corner.

798
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 3: Figuratively, Yeah, I would think so. Yes, tod is Tyson

799
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: going to.

800
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 7: Try to destroy him while we go easy on him

801
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 7: as he mad at Jake Paul for making a mockery

802
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 7: and some people would say to his sport that he

803
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 7: takes play a lot more serious than maybe Jake Paul did,

804
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 7: at least initially to try to get more social media

805
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 7: followers or whatever.

806
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 3: What do you think?

807
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 7: I think that he is not going to go all

808
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 7: out and try to destroy the guy that they've got

809
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 7: some kind of arrangement, and I don't think he's gonna

810
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 7: try to really seriously hurt him.

811
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 3: Okay, will Jake Paul try to seriously hurt Mike Tyson?

812
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 7: I think he will try initially and then realize that's

813
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 7: not gonna happen, and they'll just kind of go.

814
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 3: Along with the a lot younger.

815
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think. I think this is just kind

816
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 7: of one of those things, like, you know, a click

817
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 7: kind of thing. Interesting.

818
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: I don't.

819
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 7: I don't think either one is going to try to

820
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 7: destroy the other guy.

821
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 3: Right, Are you going to watch? I don't think I will,

822
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: all right, Marvin, Yes, I'll be watching. Okay, if Justin

823
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 3: Simmons doesn't get picked up by somebody on that day,

824
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: then I'll probably be able to watch put on a VP,

825
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: but if he does that, I probably won't be able

826
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 3: to watch the fight.

827
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: Not our show.

828
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 7: But if Justin Simmons was a cowboy, this would be

829
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 7: the lead for till next Thursday.

830
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 3: And that's why we don't do that stuff. Okay, crushed

831
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 3: one hour in the books, Oh dear,