WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Greg Phillinganes Pt. 2

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic

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<v Speaker 1>episode was produced by the team at Pandora. What's Up, y'all?

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<v Speaker 1>Last week on Quest Love Supreme, Greg Philin Gains took

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<v Speaker 1>us on a journey through his career for auditioning for

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<v Speaker 1>Stevie Wonder's band fresh out of high school to work

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<v Speaker 1>with the Jackson's during the Destiny and Triumph years, and

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<v Speaker 1>he left. Greg he was telling us how he got

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<v Speaker 1>jack for his right is credit for ten percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the publishing royalties for Michael Jackson's Don't Stop Team Get Enough.

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<v Speaker 1>And he also said there was a Quincy Jones version

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<v Speaker 1>of that story too. So it's part two of the

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<v Speaker 1>special Greg Phillin Gaines edition of Quest Love Supreme. Here

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<v Speaker 1>we go. So you know it's the zo well amir

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<v Speaker 1>angerwez hunter Weed.

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<v Speaker 2>No oh no no no no, no, no, no, no

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<v Speaker 2>no no, not that. There's something a lot more subtle. Oprah,

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<v Speaker 2>huh no no no, no no. You're never gonna get it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not gonna get it. I'm going to set it

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<v Speaker 2>up for you because you're never going to get it.

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<v Speaker 2>The setup is this, it's good in it. You're having

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<v Speaker 2>fun with it. You want to do another one. Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So here's the thing. The thing is this. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>me and it's Neil stupid House and I want to

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<v Speaker 2>say Paul Jackson Junior. And I'm not sure, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think so. And I'm pretty sure it's j R. On drums.

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<v Speaker 2>We're in the studio and we're just vibing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just right about here. We're vibing, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a nice little thing going on. We're just flying,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. Quincy's like, hey, all right, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>know we're just vibing, and this vibe is being recorded,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, right about here. And Okay, some time passes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't mean hours, I don't mean days. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean some time. And now Quincy's working on.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I figured it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe so, I believe so wait wait wait, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>wait before you all say anything about so. And he says, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we're doing this thing, and I want to

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<v Speaker 2>I want to recreate that groove thing, you know. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to recreate that thing that's right about this temple

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<v Speaker 2>right here. And so if you think you know what

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<v Speaker 2>what is the song secret Jams? Oh damn, I had

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong oneard bing wow, thank you okay, and as okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>damn oh, there's a story for everything. There's a story

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<v Speaker 2>for everything. So it's like, I love Quincy's dirty draws.

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<v Speaker 2>But he never he would never admit that, because, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I asked Hi about it one day He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you talking about a long time ago? I

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<v Speaker 2>asked him, and he reared up at me, like what

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<v Speaker 2>are you talking about? Okay, I get it.

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<v Speaker 3>Damn heart.

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<v Speaker 2>So after that joint, it's pretty stupid.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh well, I was just no.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's the here's here's the thing. The thing

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<v Speaker 2>is this. I I was too busy being hurt. I

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<v Speaker 2>was too busy being emotionally affected, as opposed to saying,

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<v Speaker 2>oh hell with this, I'm fighting this. But really, are

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<v Speaker 2>you really prepared to fight Michael Michael Jackson for a

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<v Speaker 2>piece of a song with Michael and his his his

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<v Speaker 2>team of lawyers.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you really gonna do?

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<v Speaker 2>You really think you're gonna like succeed in that and

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<v Speaker 2>have a freaking prayer? So what am I gonna do?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>And so I had to suck it up. But what

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<v Speaker 2>I lost in look ten percent? Please, I'd be living

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<v Speaker 2>next to Quincy with ten of that one song. So

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<v Speaker 2>but you know what I lost in revenue, I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to think I gained in a relationship because it went

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<v Speaker 2>from that. And by the way, it ain't just that.

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<v Speaker 1>What else you got?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? How about did did the did the did the

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<v Speaker 2>end of Heartbreak Hotel play itself? It's beautiful thank You,

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<v Speaker 2>which was orchestrated double with because Michael said, we need

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<v Speaker 2>say dramatic here at the end, So I came up

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<v Speaker 2>with that and then they added an orchestra to that too.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you start after this? Do you start looking around

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<v Speaker 3>when you're just jamming and making sure the button and push?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm too busy being inspired because it happened so

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<v Speaker 2>quick for me. Literally, when Michael said we need some

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<v Speaker 2>dramatic here at the end before you get finish the

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<v Speaker 2>Jeopardy theme song, I think I just go, yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>get it, okay? Oh but no?

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<v Speaker 1>And there what else you got?

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<v Speaker 2>So now it's the dangerous Is it dangerous? It's dangerous?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's the dangerous album. I think it's a

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous album. It's a dangerous album. And we're working on

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<v Speaker 2>this one song and Michael says, beautiful song by the

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<v Speaker 2>way beautiful, and he says, what gonna do here is

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna I'm gonna talk kind of like a monologue thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just want something. I want some music underneath because.

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<v Speaker 1>In the closet, in the closet the world m hm.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just need so I need some music because

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be dramatic and and I'm gonna talk talk

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<v Speaker 2>talk through this thing at the end of it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And so I just need some music. So I said, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>no problem, any takers.

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<v Speaker 1>Well he talks on dangerous for you know, Mama, is

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<v Speaker 1>it is? It?

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<v Speaker 2>Is? It?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it? What was the it's not here? The world?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it?

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<v Speaker 1>That will be there? What will you be there? Think?

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<v Speaker 2>At the end at the WHI was double with orchestra

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<v Speaker 2>and choir.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>That is about another three minutes, if I'm not mistaken, somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>To three on that free Willie money. Yeah. So can

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<v Speaker 1>I ask a questions?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure?

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<v Speaker 4>So can you explain to the listener who may not

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<v Speaker 4>know that intricacies of of of what your what your

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<v Speaker 4>jobs were at these at these sessions. So can you

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<v Speaker 4>just explain the difference like when when arranging becomes writing

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<v Speaker 4>and when when associate producing becomes composed to.

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<v Speaker 2>See if I love to explain that, except there's such

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<v Speaker 2>a fine line, as such a slippery slope. It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hard to define because basically this is the equivalent

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<v Speaker 2>of beauties in the eye of the of the beholder.

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<v Speaker 2>Well arrangings then the in the eye of the who

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<v Speaker 2>deems you are an arranger as opposed to a songwriter,

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to just an arranger, as opposed to just

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<v Speaker 2>a little keyboard player that we're gonna give a check

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<v Speaker 2>one time to and send him on his way because

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<v Speaker 2>I want all the credit, right.

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<v Speaker 4>So ultimately those things come down to whether you are

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<v Speaker 4>going to stand up for it.

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<v Speaker 2>It comes down to either whether you're going to stand

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<v Speaker 2>up and fight it or if it's mutually agreed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm mutually agreed in writing. Have you ever seen

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<v Speaker 1>someone been like hey, by the way, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get a call back? Like have you ever seen

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<v Speaker 1>someone get black bald or not used again or mess

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<v Speaker 1>with that guy he's in trouble maker? Yeah? Nothing specific,

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<v Speaker 1>But is there a way to be x Nate and

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<v Speaker 1>black bald from Because you're in a sweet spot, you

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<v Speaker 1>keep getting work, and you keep getting work and you

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<v Speaker 1>keep like you're on. I mean between ninety seven you're

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<v Speaker 1>on everything I know.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean whenever I would try to raise a

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<v Speaker 2>little dust, I always got pushed back. I mean, there

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<v Speaker 2>was the time when what was it, uh it was

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<v Speaker 2>Triumph and and I was I was, I was classified

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<v Speaker 2>as an associate producer. Well I think wait, wait, wait

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<v Speaker 2>things things things went on and on and on and

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<v Speaker 2>on and on, and things were fine until one day

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<v Speaker 2>I show up to the studio and Bill Bray standing

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<v Speaker 2>outside the door. He says, I don't need you today, Bubble.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm like, what are you talking about? I gotta

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<v Speaker 2>go and just don't need you today, Bubble. They just

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<v Speaker 2>decided that I was done. Wow did because no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I did nothing The day before I went into work.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything was fine. The next day I go and I'm barred.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes people bar because.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>They just decided they could take it over from there

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<v Speaker 2>and they did not need Yeah, they didn't need my

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<v Speaker 2>assistants anymore. So they just said, okay, you're done by

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<v Speaker 2>Can I ask?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? So my question about Triumph Engineering one.

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<v Speaker 2>I do have. I do have a positive punchline story

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<v Speaker 2>to the end, up to finish a set, But you

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<v Speaker 2>know you want to ask.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, just the the engineering of the Triumph album. It

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<v Speaker 1>sounds very flat to me as opposed to how wide

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<v Speaker 1>open Destiny was. And I no, no, why I really

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<v Speaker 1>need you to tell me a really good uh uh

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<v Speaker 1>engineering story of of Bruce Wardeen, what Bruce Median brought

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<v Speaker 1>to off the Wall.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, goodness, it almost it's like it's like three D.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost who did the same with this with the same

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember who mixed the.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump I don't, but the same people were not involved.

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<v Speaker 2>And I I kind of understand what you're saying sonically,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just can't tell you why I'm not because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember who was involved.

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<v Speaker 1>So you weren't there for the overseeing of the mixing

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<v Speaker 1>and none of that stuff, no question. Yeah, those sessions, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>sounded really fun because they It's almost to the point

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<v Speaker 1>where I could tell almost what order was recorded because

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<v Speaker 1>some of them songs you did the majority of the

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<v Speaker 1>count off one, two, three, four, and then some of

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<v Speaker 1>them songs, you guys sound like you were on your

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<v Speaker 1>fiftieth beer. I mean not that, but just sound like

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<v Speaker 1>so what were the just the the sessions, like I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I the best way I could describe it is fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody there was so much and how do you how

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<v Speaker 2>do you learn this stuff? Like how does it come from?

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the cassette demo and da da da da, Like

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<v Speaker 1>do you get the cassette first? And do you work

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<v Speaker 1>out these full fleshed arrangements? And how long we.

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<v Speaker 2>Would well, we would hear the demo in some form,

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<v Speaker 2>and then after I came up with the arrangement, I

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<v Speaker 2>was just we had charts. I have a chart. It's

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<v Speaker 2>actually my wife insisted that I frame the chart to

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<v Speaker 2>blame it on the book, and so it's over. It's

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<v Speaker 2>over at the piano in the house. So we had

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<v Speaker 2>charts and I would just dole out the parts. But

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<v Speaker 2>it was it was heck of fun. It was just

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<v Speaker 2>so much fun, fun fun. I remember, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was during the Destiny album. I remember being in

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<v Speaker 2>the studio part and uh, we were you know, there

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't anything going on officially, It's just kind of different

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<v Speaker 2>things happening at the same time, just stuff going on.

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<v Speaker 2>But I remember hearing somebody playing drums and it was

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<v Speaker 2>really funky. It was just like this thing and I

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<v Speaker 2>remember peering around and it was Michael.

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<v Speaker 1>He could play drums.

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<v Speaker 2>He could play drumshow. Most people do not know this,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you think about it made perfect sense because

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<v Speaker 2>like Sammy, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, and

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<v Speaker 2>so he could definitely play and he was fun and

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<v Speaker 2>it was I only saw it one time, but I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, wow, as a matter of fact, I maybe

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<v Speaker 2>there's a picture of an even younger Michael playing drums

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<v Speaker 2>and I have it said, do you have seen that?

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<v Speaker 2>But no, I saw him for myself and it was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>this is I didn't. I didn't see this coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. We didn't even get to like thriller and.

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<v Speaker 3>Off the wall, I'm waiting for.

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<v Speaker 1>Give you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me give you the positive punchline to all this

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<v Speaker 2>negativity because laias as I was saying what I lost

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<v Speaker 2>in revenue, I gained a relationship to the point where,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there was this one faithful evening where we

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<v Speaker 2>were all together, uh in this room, backstage, in this arena,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, we were all together outside of Michael. I

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<v Speaker 2>went to his room separately, but I'm standing up with

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<v Speaker 2>the brothers in a circle, and I remember saying to them,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, never in my wildest dreams. Did I

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<v Speaker 2>ever think after, you know, listening to your records junior

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<v Speaker 2>high school, watching your shows. I never ever imagined in

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<v Speaker 2>my life that I'd be standing in a room with

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<v Speaker 2>all of you as your music director, getting ready to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you to have a great show. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>backstage in Madison Square Garden and we were about to

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<v Speaker 2>do the thirtieth anniversary shows.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And to go from that point early in my life

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<v Speaker 2>as a fan and having just fantasies about them and

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<v Speaker 2>what it must be like to hang with them, to

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<v Speaker 2>actually be arm in arm with them in a huddle

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<v Speaker 2>before we start the thirtieth anniversary shows and I get

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<v Speaker 2>to tell them have a great one. I can't begin

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you what that's like.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that sense of balance in your system is amazing,

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<v Speaker 3>because at the same time, it's like, here you are

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<v Speaker 3>in that moment, but these are still the same guys

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<v Speaker 3>and may do a couple of shit any things to you,

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<v Speaker 3>So you have to continue to be the bigger person

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<v Speaker 3>and really disappreciate the moment and the bigger things that

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<v Speaker 3>are yet to come.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you. All I can say is that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that that one over everything else was love

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<v Speaker 2>and we all realized that we really do love each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, I'm not done the technical lyric questions over here, like, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let me ruin this for a second. So we want

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<v Speaker 1>to be starting something. Are you playing the synth bass

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<v Speaker 1>the line? Yep? Now with sequencing out then? Or did

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<v Speaker 1>you have to do that seven minutes in a row? No?

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<v Speaker 2>I did it.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a tape looping.

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<v Speaker 2>I need a sticking sequence.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, But look, dude, y'all, y'all were playing with

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<v Speaker 1>a len drum. So you're telling me for seven minutes? Yeah, seth,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it's in a robe.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I was young and crazy like that.

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<v Speaker 1>How many punchings did you have to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Not many?

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<v Speaker 1>Dog?

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<v Speaker 2>No, dude, because I I I graduated. Wonder you.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh well, it's like Jimmy jam when he said when

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<v Speaker 5>he would play all the stuff from the twelve Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>straight through and they went to the School of Princess.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I get it. Okay, it makes sense. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I just just now, I'm just thinking of all, like

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<v Speaker 1>even you didn't veer off into one ad lib and

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<v Speaker 1>shake your right down to the ground like the last minute.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's not true. That's not true. You gotta I I, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I have, Yeah, I had, but I past it to

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<v Speaker 2>that to your point, yes, I definitely paste it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you're right, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And another thing is another example of that is, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>don't stop. I paced those legs too. I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>I kept basically. Oh. An even better example is Thriller.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I want to get to. Yeah, oh you

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<v Speaker 1>already answered. You're not sequencing, so you're playing the stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, How are you finding these patches because now that

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<v Speaker 1>I okay, now that the remixes are coming out, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Thriller is almost borderline a pre pre precursor to E.

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<v Speaker 1>D M, at least with the patches that you're using.

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<v Speaker 1>Like how long do you That's what I'm saying, like.

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<v Speaker 2>And well, you know, we we had lots of help

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<v Speaker 2>as far as programming. We had guys like that were

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<v Speaker 2>we had Michael Bodacker, he was like on call. That

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<v Speaker 2>was that was our our our go to guy, and

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<v Speaker 2>there were others.

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<v Speaker 1>But was he was he more of a tech guy

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<v Speaker 1>or an anglayer because he was playing on the desk.

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<v Speaker 1>He played, but he programmed better.

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<v Speaker 2>But he Yeah, the the the strength, I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>was the.

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<v Speaker 1>Program So but was it a time is money atmosphere?

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, so we're in the studio.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, No, it was whatever it takes to get the

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<v Speaker 2>right down.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, But what's the patience factor, cause it's like even okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so even the the little like right before Vincent Price's

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<v Speaker 1>wrap thing, how long do you have to like, let

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<v Speaker 1>me try this, let me try this even with keyboards today,

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<v Speaker 1>like it takes me twenty minutes to decide and this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff was already pre set. What's the what's the time? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what time do you have to think of something cool?

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<v Speaker 1>They have mere minutes? No, there was no time, There

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<v Speaker 1>was no what it was right then? Yeah, there was

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<v Speaker 1>no consideration of time. It's just like Lily, I need

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<v Speaker 1>this patch, go, I need I need this sound rather

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<v Speaker 1>go and then however long it took.

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<v Speaker 2>Was however long it took?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you playing on beat it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>What is that intro? Gog? What is that noise? What

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<v Speaker 1>is it?

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<v Speaker 2>I could not tell you if you have me a

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<v Speaker 2>good point.

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<v Speaker 1>It's oh god, it's I saw YouTube video.

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<v Speaker 5>It's an old obviously an old synthesizer and they were

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<v Speaker 5>going through the presets on it and that was one

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<v Speaker 5>of them. Really not not I can't remember. I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 5>It's been a while since I saw that video.

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<v Speaker 2>But okay, no, I I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro, human nature? Is that the patron all those.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's deep Carlo, Okay, they didn't need me for that,

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<v Speaker 2>my man. You know the story about that song, right, yeah,

0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.679
<v Speaker 2>listening to because that's at nauseum and then they're like

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<v Speaker 2>falling asleep and stuff, and it's it's the auto end

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<v Speaker 2>of the auto reverse and then you know, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>like in a semi sleep state.

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<v Speaker 1>I was sudden, what is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Rest is history?

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<v Speaker 5>It was just in clavier, by the way, Okay that

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<v Speaker 5>they I kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of remember that now it's clavier too, Okay. One hundred

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<v Speaker 1>Ways is one of our favorite sis. You guys, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna understand it, but in hip hop terms, really,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all I can say. Yes, it's it's been shopped

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<v Speaker 1>lovely to the point where like almost every line of

0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.719
<v Speaker 1>that thing is the solo. Yeah, it means in the

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<v Speaker 1>world to us. It was done in an ironic I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was done in a very ironic way. But

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<v Speaker 1>but it's just you mus play it. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's yeah, I mean the song has been

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<v Speaker 1>out for forever. Yeah, wait, what's the title of it?

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<v Speaker 1>Times like that? Yeah, this is Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 6>Really yoo, y'all can't stand right here in his right

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<v Speaker 6>hand was your Man's worst night Man, loud enough to

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<v Speaker 6>bust right, it's on close.

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<v Speaker 2>Strange.

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<v Speaker 1>The game is not only danger.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the most strange? So robs like Tom the Too,

0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:12.800
<v Speaker 2>bombs like you just happy to see me? Trick, classical

0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:16.040
<v Speaker 2>snapstick rappers, chapstick a lot of them, so like the

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<v Speaker 2>talents so so a little something to remember, like the

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<v Speaker 2>Halimalah joke, like Space Game came back from five?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you say this?

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<v Speaker 2>This has never heard?

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<v Speaker 1>This song is like twenty years old. But what see,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's never heard. That's my first time.

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<v Speaker 1>He here in this I've never one hundred ways means

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<v Speaker 1>something totally different to us. Like initially it was like, yeah,

0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:40.480
<v Speaker 1>that's mom and dad song, are like yeah, yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 1>easily no, but he that Yeah he turned it, And

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<v Speaker 1>even when I heard it, I was like, yo, I

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<v Speaker 1>never ever thought to be shocked.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a crazy person who did that? Yes, whole

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<v Speaker 2>lot of time on that she did and who actually

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<v Speaker 2>produced that m F doom. You're a crazy guy. You're crazy, bro.

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<v Speaker 1>He is so well.

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<v Speaker 2>Did Quincy tell you the story of that solo?

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<v Speaker 1>He told you, like he woke you up out of

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<v Speaker 1>your sleep. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was during the time of assembly line uh sessions.

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<v Speaker 2>And you when you went to work for Quincy, you

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<v Speaker 2>knew two things.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you knew.

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<v Speaker 2>You knew three things. A. It was gonna be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>B you were gonna eat well. And see you never

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<v Speaker 2>knew how long you were gonna be. So, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's no o'clock in the morning, man, and I had

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<v Speaker 2>done some other stuff and at this point I'm asleep

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<v Speaker 2>under a piano. Somebody came in and woke me and said,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, you're up again. Okay, I in my stupor

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I stumble up to the thing and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a mini moog and the and Quincy says, right, so

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<v Speaker 2>this is one hundred ways and we need a solo.

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<v Speaker 2>Go that's what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Does he play you the full Does he play you the.

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<v Speaker 2>Full song at least before yeah, I mean the pay

0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:08.600
<v Speaker 2>they play. Yeah, they played the song and I'm like, okay,

0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:15.119
<v Speaker 2>so what you hear in that solo? Like ninety percent

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<v Speaker 2>of it was the first take, and I only did so,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And then I only did like a couple

0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:32.800
<v Speaker 2>of takes to finish it. But up until that point,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the first take. And and and Quincy to this

0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:40.760
<v Speaker 2>day says it's his favorite solo mine because it was

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<v Speaker 2>done in the what he calls the alpha state. What's

0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:46.440
<v Speaker 2>what's known as the alpha state, because you know, only

0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:49.040
<v Speaker 2>he can like be scientific with it. I was asleep,

0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:51.920
<v Speaker 2>but you know he said, no, dude, it's the alpha state,

0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:58.120
<v Speaker 2>alpha state, because you weren't thinking, dude, do you all.

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<v Speaker 1>Know about this? There's there's this. There's a scientist that

0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:05.720
<v Speaker 1>did a research on her students, onner students, in which

0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:11.080
<v Speaker 1>she would do pop quizzes on her seven a m

0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:18.680
<v Speaker 1>class versus prepared test advanced notice to her smarter class

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<v Speaker 1>at twelve in the afternoon, and we did better because

0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:28.919
<v Speaker 1>it's almost like there's there's a middle ground of not

0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:33.560
<v Speaker 1>preparing and over preparing and overthinking, and the genius zone

0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:37.520
<v Speaker 1>is always in the middle where it's just like, no, that's.

0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:47.239
<v Speaker 2>Supreme, y, he thrit. His goal is to be in

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<v Speaker 2>that state constantly.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's what I that's where I was. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>it only took like three takes or so for me

0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:03.359
<v Speaker 2>to finish, for me to finish, but that that's just

0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:04.720
<v Speaker 2>the first thing that came out.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a question about the bad album. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I shared this theory in the documentary. It's

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<v Speaker 1>what I call the brace Yourself moment, which you're a

0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 1>big part of. Like all these songs have to start

0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:38.800
<v Speaker 1>with this stab from hell, this chord, well not even bad.

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:40.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's probably easy patch, but like you know,

0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:45.800
<v Speaker 1>like Dirty Diana's and that, Like by this point, are

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:48.760
<v Speaker 1>they telling you, Okay, Greg, every song on this album

0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 1>we need.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, because that really wasn't me. That wasn't no

0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:03.239
<v Speaker 2>those amples he said it like with first of all,

0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:07.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm not on Dirty Diana. I'm not on that at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Another part of me. And actually I'm not on that either.

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<v Speaker 2>Speed Demon way you make me feel. I'm on the

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<v Speaker 2>way you make me feel. I'm not on Speed Demon. Unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Jerry Hey, that's crazy Jerry Hay with those horns,

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:28.040
<v Speaker 2>those horn and that's what made the song. You know that, Yes, yes,

0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:31.800
<v Speaker 2>that's that's that's Jerry had to get tied up for

0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:36.399
<v Speaker 2>that because you know, Michael was a little uh, you know,

0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 2>slow on that and it was like quick. It was

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 2>like oh no, no, no, no, no no. There would be

0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 2>no speed Demon without that the horn horns arrangement. So

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna tighten up, Jerry, you know, but I am

0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:49.240
<v Speaker 2>on the way it made me feel. And my favorite

0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:52.080
<v Speaker 2>memory of that is, you know, because I played the

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:52.880
<v Speaker 2>string parts.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So what I remember is doing that and having Michael

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:04.080
<v Speaker 2>standing next to me going vibe women because I'm like,

0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:07.760
<v Speaker 2>he's like, next movie dude.

0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:10.840
<v Speaker 1>That was How big is this his snaps? Dude?

0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 2>He had the big I know, he had these big

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 2>ass hands. And his snaps sound like claves, don't they? Yes,

0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:19.399
<v Speaker 2>because you think it's clove is on the bridge of

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:23.960
<v Speaker 2>uh rock with You? Yeah, but it's not. No. And

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:28.879
<v Speaker 2>when that's his fingers, it's his fingers.

0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Wait? Can I ask for Rock with You?

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.119
<v Speaker 2>Yea? Who?

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess I should have asked Quincy instead. That

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:45.680
<v Speaker 1>horn intro, oh, the one that got removed? Why did

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:47.639
<v Speaker 1>they take that away? It doesn't make sense to me?

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 1>What is It's just there's a horn intro to Rock

0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:53.119
<v Speaker 1>with You that got me. Here's the thing that I

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:55.480
<v Speaker 1>love about off the Wall. Well, I certainly remember that

0:27:56.440 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>I'll play for you off the record. Yeah, because Yeah,

0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 1>the thing that I discovered about with Thrilling off the

0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:07.199
<v Speaker 1>Wall is that a lot of this stuff is I

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:10.359
<v Speaker 1>can tell that at least what I assume the relationship

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:13.920
<v Speaker 1>between Michael and Quincy is, let's try every idea out

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:16.919
<v Speaker 1>and then you're gonna trust me to pull this away

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 1>in this way and edit this and edit that. So

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:25.320
<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of elements on those albums that

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:29.679
<v Speaker 1>had they been there, oh god, it would have been

0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 1>like the worst dated disco album of all time, or

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, that crazy one slight misstep. So I applaud

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Quincy for knowing what the pool was, but that's his brilliance.

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 1>There's the moments of okay, so I'm thinking that you

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 1>were there on the ground floor of the horn intro

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>instead of just the naked.

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:51.800
<v Speaker 2>No, because what I remember about that was Quincy saying

0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 2>to they are I want to have a drum leg

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:58.680
<v Speaker 2>that's gonna live in infamy. I want to have a

0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 2>drum like that that that kids are gonna remember, you know,

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:04.960
<v Speaker 2>one hundred years from now. And so he came over it.

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 3>That was that bad question. Please tell me that by

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:13.479
<v Speaker 3>this time you went on the tour and you and

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:14.600
<v Speaker 3>Ricky were back together.

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, oh absolutely yeah.

0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:19.959
<v Speaker 1>Now did Ricky get that gig and non Jonathan Moffatt

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 1>because you were the empty.

0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:23.200
<v Speaker 2>Uh?

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Because I thought like Jonathan would have been the tax

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 1>for life?

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you think that.

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 1>So how did Ricky get it? Well, Ricky also had

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 1>the Victory tour, right.

0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 2>No, no, that was Jonathan on the Victory Okay, Ricky

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 2>did bad and dangerous, But you did with Sheryl Crow.

0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh my what? And what were you three?

0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 1>You mad woman's life?

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you could have been more than five. Please. Okay,

0:29:55.080 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 2>so still I still have so you please? And so

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember, to be honest, because even though you know,

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 2>he made me the m D and that whole process

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:13.480
<v Speaker 2>was so weird, he there were other people hiring people,

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 2>so I didn't really hire everybody. So I I didn't

0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 2>hire the whole band. I mean, there are certain people

0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 2>that were chosen before I was even asked.

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 1>How did you present that show without the out of

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 1>the age of pro tools? You know, because.

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh, oh well that's easy. We just had. We just

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 2>had like was it to at least two full blown

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 2>since clapt is damn and.

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Back then that was.

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, he was like whatever by any means necessary.

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the money was no object and so we

0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 2>had like too full blown.

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, I mean because that was vocals.

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 2>And and the the you know, the the extra tracks.

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, absolutely damn.

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 1>What was it like when Cheryl Croke came into the

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:05.840
<v Speaker 1>picture for that tour? Like, what was what did she

0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 1>bring to the table? Whiteness?

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:13.960
<v Speaker 3>Because she wasn't the one with the lights in her hair?

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 2>No, No, that was Jennifer Adams. She she was the guitarist.

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, you asked a very loaded questioned my friend okay,

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 2>uh this gig first, because no, she was after that

0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 2>was excited, it dangerous. Cheryl did bad. I would say

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 2>that the thing that Cheryl brought them most of us

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:50.760
<v Speaker 2>the silence.

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:55.360
<v Speaker 1>The silence here is this a hot topic?

0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 2>That something I said Steve.

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 3>The white person about single Uh No.

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 2>What she brought was a secret love affair.

0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 3>Here in my god it oh.

0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Well between two people and I was the other one.

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh oh, Greig cam like you can sniff. No, that

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:31.400
<v Speaker 1>was Fante's question.

0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 3>Would you got to say, Fanta, perfect question?

0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:43.800
<v Speaker 1>No, man, hey, listen, I guess you talking.

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 2>I guess you don't like that coming.

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 3>Well you missed.

0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:50.959
<v Speaker 1>Wow, he's probably in the control room right now.

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's what happened.

0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 3>Man.

0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 2>No, I wasn't good because I was married.

0:32:56.120 --> 0:33:06.120
<v Speaker 7>Ayah, he said, okay, how can you, okay, explain not

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:07.000
<v Speaker 7>just the tour, darling.

0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 2>I was explain that it wasn't just the name of

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:11.520
<v Speaker 2>a tour.

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 1>How can how can one can one be a working musician,

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:26.400
<v Speaker 1>uh and have domestic normalcy? I mean, if you're doing

0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:31.160
<v Speaker 1>the Michael Jackson Bad Tour, are you know what about

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:33.160
<v Speaker 1>the kids at home for it? Not just you just

0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:37.240
<v Speaker 1>like the bass player or the lighting coordinator like you

0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 1>guys were going from from eighty seven to the top

0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 1>of January eighty nine.

0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:46.120
<v Speaker 2>No, understand, we rule the world. Understand that.

0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Yes, but.

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 2>We're girls flinging themselves over all of us, not over

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 2>all of us. And I was in that group. I

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:58.080
<v Speaker 2>wasn't getting girls flung at me, you know, because a

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of people just assume, oh my god, you must say,

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:04.400
<v Speaker 2>had it shipping out of your ears? And I no, no,

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 2>it did not happen to me.

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 1>I didn't mean it from that perspective. But I just meant, like,

0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:11.239
<v Speaker 1>if you have a relationship at home, like if you're

0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:14.080
<v Speaker 1>your college professor, wife is at home.

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 2>It's very, very difficult and you better bring him out

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 2>at some point or like.

0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Would Michaelow like when he charged jet for families to

0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:20.799
<v Speaker 1>come and visit.

0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:24.480
<v Speaker 2>He didn't do that, but he did welcome families. He

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:29.920
<v Speaker 2>was into that. And you know, several of us, including me,

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 2>brought our families out at different points. I mean, and

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:35.879
<v Speaker 2>you know Michael, you know one of the singers Dori

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 2>and Holly brought his little nana and she spent a

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:43.360
<v Speaker 2>lot of time on the road with us. And you

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 2>know Ricky brought his kids, uh and his wife, I

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 2>brought mine out. It was great in that way. Uh now,

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 2>well not in my case, and uh yeah, no, I

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:02.799
<v Speaker 2>mean I remember when we when we we were in

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:08.399
<v Speaker 2>Tokyo and uh he he arranged for us to all

0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 2>go to Disneyland. We shut down the partment and it

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:17.120
<v Speaker 2>was us. And you haven't lived until you've been to

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Disneyland with the had Mickey. A matter of fact, I

0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:23.960
<v Speaker 2>used to call him Mickey and he would answer to

0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:27.399
<v Speaker 2>that too. But no, he it was great and so yes,

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 2>he loved uh you know, the family's uh hanging and

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 2>all that. But uh to answer the question. Yeah, you

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 2>needed to have You couldn't sustain a tour like that

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 2>and never see your spouse of your family at any point.

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:44.200
<v Speaker 2>You had to have him join you.

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Easier now with FaceTime and all that stuff. But it

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 1>is like going like it's a wrap like you.

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:56.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're going, like you're doing you're in the military.

0:35:57.080 --> 0:35:59.480
<v Speaker 3>It's like you're you're gone.

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:05.320
<v Speaker 1>We did not even ask behind the mask, Yeah, behind

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:05.680
<v Speaker 1>the mask.

0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:11.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So I was working on my second solo album

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:17.400
<v Speaker 2>while working on Yeah, while we were also doing.

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, wait, we're just all over the place. Reminded.

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:28.560
<v Speaker 5>Donald did right by you? Oh for Cancelor down.

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Never mind?

0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 2>No, no, well he he did basically, Yeah, he did well.

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:37.759
<v Speaker 2>He did better than me than Michael did, that's for sure, right.

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:40.959
<v Speaker 1>Or did you do all night long?

0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 2>And no? No, no, no, no here, let me give

0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 2>you level. No, no, he actually did all night long

0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:51.359
<v Speaker 2>by himself. But I did uh level of find level,

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 2>find away and level conquer all and I thank you

0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:59.319
<v Speaker 2>very much a crazy video and and I did get

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:11.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, credit and checks for that conquer Oh oh crap,

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:12.839
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember her name right now. I see her

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 2>face and I can't remember her name. I always thought that.

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Was his take on the Al Green song like that

0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:22.360
<v Speaker 1>was love of con Girl. Interesting, No, that's what it

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:23.960
<v Speaker 1>sounds might sound like that.

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:28.279
<v Speaker 2>Well I didn't because well, I tell you what, I

0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:33.200
<v Speaker 2>wasn't well, not really, because I wasn't. I wasn't thinking

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:40.319
<v Speaker 2>of that. That wasn't God, that's interesting because I wasn't

0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:45.360
<v Speaker 2>thinking that at all. Oh well, okay, mar mar Marvia,

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 2>thank you, yes, Princess Mark well later.

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:54.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, because I keep getting hurt. Marva Hicks confused, Okay.

0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:58.440
<v Speaker 1>James Brown, right, that was Yeah, a lot of marvels.

0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:00.040
<v Speaker 2>When I see to join usteve.

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 3>Th miss it was you missed it. It was a

0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 3>good news. It wasn't bad.

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 2>You'll hear that you playing that's good?

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:16.120
<v Speaker 2>So uh yeah, so Lionel did you right right to

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:16.960
<v Speaker 2>by me?

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:21.680
<v Speaker 5>This on his first solo album, right yeah, And that

0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:25.600
<v Speaker 5>was where I first saw your name four yeah, that's

0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:26.279
<v Speaker 5>crazy and.

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:30.319
<v Speaker 1>Then left during the line of Richie portion and when

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:31.560
<v Speaker 1>that's that's all you.

0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:35.520
<v Speaker 4>Live the first one, the first line of Richie you

0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:40.960
<v Speaker 4>are You're on that question.

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:48.680
<v Speaker 3>The intro to you areious.

0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:50.520
<v Speaker 2>This right now? First of all, I'm not on that

0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:56.240
<v Speaker 2>but what what you said? It was like, it was like, okay,

0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:59.279
<v Speaker 2>if you don't come back, if you leave, But you

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 2>sound like that was.

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:03.080
<v Speaker 1>Some kind of movie.

0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:05.160
<v Speaker 2>Was like the guy goes No. I was like an

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 2>s n L.

0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you know that he did. That was cool? That

0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 1>show Okay, but yeah, serves you right? That was that

0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 1>was mister.

0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, And I wrote that with very mysterious John McLean. Yes,

0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:30.360
<v Speaker 2>oh wow, wow, so.

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:34.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. There's some more John McClean credits that. Uh,

0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 1>I've seen and I didn't think that was him. He

0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:41.160
<v Speaker 1>was a songwriter. First, Well we wait minute, I got

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:43.560
<v Speaker 1>serves your Oh, I got a story about me and

0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:44.800
<v Speaker 1>John hit me?

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:50.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, John, who I love dearly? Let me just start

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 2>out pressing that. Let me just say that right now.

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:55.839
<v Speaker 2>I do love him, I really do. He's the kind

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:58.800
<v Speaker 2>of guy that you'll never get to love because he

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:04.279
<v Speaker 2>just doesn't allow it. But I love him. And we

0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:11.759
<v Speaker 2>spent a lot of time together in seventy.

0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Nine.

0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 2>In the early eighties, we spent a lot of time

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:20.959
<v Speaker 2>together and I had this dream, we had this dream

0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:25.359
<v Speaker 2>of forming a band that would that would be called

0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:31.320
<v Speaker 2>PM and never Yeah, it never happened. He's Detroit no,

0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 2>it's from here. But we hooked up somehow, and and

0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:44.000
<v Speaker 2>he was the first guy that sounded like Prince before Prince.

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:50.040
<v Speaker 2>That's how he played guitar. That John McLean yep man. Yeah,

0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:50.920
<v Speaker 2>that John McQueen.

0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Motherfucker.

0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Well if you do, you will win the ultimate prize.

0:40:57.760 --> 0:40:59.279
<v Speaker 1>We got him for him. It is.

0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:02.279
<v Speaker 2>We can't find him and you know what, sorry to say,

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:03.440
<v Speaker 2>but you probably won't.

0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Really. Yeah, he's that mysterious. You know what, you can

0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:10.040
<v Speaker 1>google anybody on the planet. I say, I can't even

0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:12.319
<v Speaker 1>if he walked in right now. No, I've never seen

0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:16.359
<v Speaker 1>what imagine that he looks like Stony Jackson an old

0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:16.920
<v Speaker 1>picture of him.

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 2>No, bro's black guy. Damn. But don't you can't find him?

0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Wow? Damn. So he medinaized his way into the industry

0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:33.800
<v Speaker 1>as an executive the same way that Benny Medina was

0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:35.080
<v Speaker 1>a musician.

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, he's Benny Medina.

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<v Speaker 1>Lord.

0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's fun. But no, actually, actually actually John was

0:41:51.040 --> 0:41:57.239
<v Speaker 2>a little more legitimate. But anyway, we need to greg,

0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:02.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, or maybe I'll just come up with my own.

0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:04.920
<v Speaker 2>I'll just do a couple of spots for you. But anyway,

0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:15.280
<v Speaker 2>don't write to check. You might be surprised anyway.

0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:20.320
<v Speaker 1>So, yes, y'all had a group called PM No.

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 2>We had a dream, we had the idea of a group,

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:25.840
<v Speaker 2>but it never came to fruition.

0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 1>What projects what? Okay, but you know we.

0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Did work on together what a TV series? Oh the

0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:41.360
<v Speaker 2>name of the producer scapes me right now. But the

0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 2>show is called The Righteous Apples.

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. Yeah, they did a cover of Let

0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:51.560
<v Speaker 1>It Go, but uh, let the Love out of Yr.

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:55.759
<v Speaker 1>It was a Pages joint originally Richard Page The Joint,

0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:58.640
<v Speaker 1>and then they did a cover of it The Righteous Apples.

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 2>It was like they were like a high school yes

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:04.840
<v Speaker 2>from I'm trying to think. I'm trying to think of

0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:07.040
<v Speaker 2>the name of the creator and the writer and I

0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:09.120
<v Speaker 2>can't for the life of me right now. Black guy

0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:11.880
<v Speaker 2>were he wore which you have glasses? He was with

0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:15.600
<v Speaker 2>the PBS thing and we we wrote and produced songs

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 2>for that show. Like yeah, as a matter of fact,

0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:21.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at the i m dB page.

0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we'll just pretendue that's what.

0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Is there another song called it feels like the first.

0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:31.839
<v Speaker 5>Time It doesn't list just this one, okay, but yeah,

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:35.360
<v Speaker 5>mm hmm, but yeah, we we did that and that

0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:36.000
<v Speaker 5>was the Crown.

0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes he was. But John doesn't look.

0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:46.759
<v Speaker 1>Like stony and Ernest Thomas. Wow, isn't that crazy? Ernest

0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:48.480
<v Speaker 1>one thought I was Common's bodyguard.

0:43:48.920 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 2>That's hysterical.

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:50.399
<v Speaker 1>That broke my heart.

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Man, that's funny.

0:43:55.760 --> 0:44:01.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Top, thank you, Tom on to do Mark Martin, Yeah,

0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:02.880
<v Speaker 1>thank you. Wow.

0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that was my introduction to Topper.

0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:08.480
<v Speaker 1>That was the first thing that you scored or like

0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:09.360
<v Speaker 1>for television.

0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:11.200
<v Speaker 2>I think it was the only thing.

0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So Michael Henderson was on Sorry, really he was

0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:19.279
<v Speaker 1>on an episode? Yeah he was. I guess just a

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:22.160
<v Speaker 1>member of just as a member of the band that I.

0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't call well, I guess you can call it a

0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:25.160
<v Speaker 2>drama sort of.

0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:29.839
<v Speaker 1>I guess Michael Henderson in what year eighty and eighty

0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:34.320
<v Speaker 1>one when the show was on cocaine, Michael Henderson last

0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:40.719
<v Speaker 1>time saying that ship down? Can you please break it down?

0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:44.879
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever heard of Michael Henderson's rant drunken rant

0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:45.360
<v Speaker 1>in Japan?

0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:45.920
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:51.279
<v Speaker 1>Classic? Oh my god, best in life?

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:52.000
<v Speaker 5>Just Google.

0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:54.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm not breaking it down for nobody.

0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:56.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not backing it up.

0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:07.439
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, Mayfield. They're trying to they're trying to kill

0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:10.800
<v Speaker 1>like he's just drunk and he's playing in front of

0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:14.560
<v Speaker 1>it feels like he's performing for audience at fourteen. And

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:16.480
<v Speaker 1>you can hear people like because he's just spinning to

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:18.759
<v Speaker 1>be Oh, you're gonna leave baby, Oh that's okay, that's

0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:20.960
<v Speaker 1>all right, people walking out, and he's.

0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:24.960
<v Speaker 3>Just like yourself, I'm what year is this?

0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:27.000
<v Speaker 1>It has to be eighty four?

0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:28.319
<v Speaker 2>Is not wasting any time?

0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 1>It has to be eighty four. And like Norman, I

0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:35.360
<v Speaker 1>think Norman Conness is drumming, but he takes it's a

0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:39.680
<v Speaker 1>seven minute build up to sing going places. Yeah, and

0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:50.239
<v Speaker 1>when he's very special like I did, I was like, damn,

0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:52.480
<v Speaker 1>It's like he gets into the verse. Fo you realize

0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:57.560
<v Speaker 1>it's going places. Oh that's what he's says his son,

0:45:57.760 --> 0:46:01.160
<v Speaker 1>his son lives in Philly. And keep taking it off

0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:02.759
<v Speaker 1>of YouTube because I can't. I can't find it.

0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:07.800
<v Speaker 2>I got it.

0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:09.080
<v Speaker 8>I got that.

0:46:09.200 --> 0:46:11.280
<v Speaker 1>She ain't going nowhere. Have you ever seen the version

0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:14.560
<v Speaker 1>where they made a video to it? Stones throw Stone

0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:20.560
<v Speaker 1>like a animated It's the best thing on earth. Take

0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:25.920
<v Speaker 1>me on, motherfucking yours right, motherfucker. He goes in the

0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:26.439
<v Speaker 1>next song.

0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:29.439
<v Speaker 2>So this sounds better than Ray Charles's. It sounds better

0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:31.479
<v Speaker 2>than Buddy Riches. It sounds better than.

0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:37.080
<v Speaker 6>They really heard that one past those really past those three.

0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:42.080
<v Speaker 6>They're cursing people out, but this is just like he's Ray.

0:46:42.360 --> 0:46:43.959
<v Speaker 1>Which one is the Ray? Where is he cutting people

0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:45.719
<v Speaker 1>by that? Someone interrupts.

0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:53.520
<v Speaker 2>There's a scuffle between him and and the drummer. At

0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:56.080
<v Speaker 2>the time, I think it was not Bernard, but I

0:46:56.200 --> 0:46:59.000
<v Speaker 2>thought it was fat Head fad was yah fat It

0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:02.160
<v Speaker 2>was a sex player, but it was a scuffle between

0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:05.160
<v Speaker 2>him and the drummer, and the drummer walked off. That's

0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:07.759
<v Speaker 2>all right, No, no, no, it's all right. It went

0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:09.480
<v Speaker 2>It was okay.

0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:12.600
<v Speaker 1>There's he's doing busted. I have a version of him

0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:16.359
<v Speaker 1>doing busted. And then someone gets on the stage. It's

0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:19.560
<v Speaker 1>like you a doll, You a dog and raises like,

0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:22.600
<v Speaker 1>bless your heart, bless your heart. You were nothing but

0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:23.440
<v Speaker 1>a dirty doll.

0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:24.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh it's a woman.

0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:27.520
<v Speaker 1>She no a guy basically like Ray must have did

0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:29.960
<v Speaker 1>something wrong to a woman, either slept with his wife

0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:33.840
<v Speaker 1>or something. You ain't nothing but a doll, yea bless

0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:36.800
<v Speaker 1>your heart, because someone could someone please get this gentleman

0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:42.719
<v Speaker 1>off the states. Lease but a dirty doll. You were doll?

0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:45.360
<v Speaker 1>And then they take him off and then like you

0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:50.319
<v Speaker 1>hear him walking like crass cuts out. Yeah, and then

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:58.920
<v Speaker 1>all listen like like nothing happened, but yes, it's it's

0:47:59.000 --> 0:48:00.879
<v Speaker 1>up there, but no, Michael.

0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:02.719
<v Speaker 3>Loses his ship.

0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:14.320
<v Speaker 2>That's so listen, Uh what I know you have a

0:48:14.400 --> 0:48:18.719
<v Speaker 2>billion of these? What three songs did you say no

0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:20.880
<v Speaker 2>to that you could have been on?

0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Like did you only stay in the Winter circle? Michael

0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:31.120
<v Speaker 1>Lionel three Stevie. The only example I have of that

0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:38.200
<v Speaker 1>is a song that I was originally asked to uh

0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:42.440
<v Speaker 1>over Debond piano, and.

0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:50.480
<v Speaker 2>I was very full of myself and I oh, I

0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:51.960
<v Speaker 2>went and did the session, but I mean I was

0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:54.440
<v Speaker 2>full of myself musically and I thought like whatever I

0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:58.239
<v Speaker 2>played would be great, and it wasn't because they just

0:48:58.360 --> 0:49:02.840
<v Speaker 2>wanted something. They just wanted the changes in the in

0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:06.000
<v Speaker 2>the rhythm that that that it was in it, and

0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:10.640
<v Speaker 2>I was I was overplaying. I overplayed, and I overplayed

0:49:10.680 --> 0:49:13.200
<v Speaker 2>my way out of the session. And I regret that

0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:15.920
<v Speaker 2>because I really love this song and it's one of

0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:17.400
<v Speaker 2>my favorites from George Benson is.

0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Turn Your Love?

0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:23.560
<v Speaker 2>How do You?

0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:26.160
<v Speaker 1>They just wanted you to play the piano line.

0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:30.200
<v Speaker 2>They just wanted Dunn. But I was playing I was

0:49:30.239 --> 0:49:30.920
<v Speaker 2>playing dumn.

0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:33.400
<v Speaker 3>I was just.

0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Overplaying, you know, And and I ask you to just

0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:42.720
<v Speaker 2>play simple. I guess they just said, well, it's not okay, thanks,

0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:44.640
<v Speaker 2>And then the next thing, I know, somebody else was

0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:47.879
<v Speaker 2>on it. But so yeah, but I remember being asked

0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:49.360
<v Speaker 2>to play on it, but I just I didn't. I

0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:51.080
<v Speaker 2>didn't play it right, you know, And I could have.

0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:55.839
<v Speaker 2>And I even at that point, I was definitely more

0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:59.160
<v Speaker 2>trained because of all the other years of doing sessions,

0:49:59.160 --> 0:50:01.800
<v Speaker 2>and I just should have known better, but I overplayed.

0:50:01.960 --> 0:50:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Were formally were you formally trained how to play me?

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:06.680
<v Speaker 1>We didn't talk about that. Were you formally like you know,

0:50:06.719 --> 0:50:08.840
<v Speaker 1>how to read? Or just yeah, I know.

0:50:09.000 --> 0:50:12.400
<v Speaker 2>I started playing by your at well, my mom says,

0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:16.400
<v Speaker 2>legend has it too. I started playing by her at

0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:19.399
<v Speaker 2>around two. But then I started taking lessons at around six.

0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:22.640
<v Speaker 2>And so I did have formal training. And my I

0:50:22.760 --> 0:50:25.359
<v Speaker 2>had three teachers. And the third one was the most

0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:30.280
<v Speaker 2>influential and the most effective. And he was the pianist

0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:33.600
<v Speaker 2>with the Detroit Symphony Orchestra. And his name was Misha Cotler,

0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:35.879
<v Speaker 2>and he was a badass. He didn't take any mess

0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:38.360
<v Speaker 2>and and and you know, I needed discipline because I

0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:40.640
<v Speaker 2>was running over my last teacher because I thought I

0:50:40.680 --> 0:50:43.520
<v Speaker 2>was hot, snot knew everything. And he I left his

0:50:44.000 --> 0:50:46.239
<v Speaker 2>his house crying many times because he just he was

0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:50.400
<v Speaker 2>this Russian, you know, like Polish, and he was, you know,

0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:53.960
<v Speaker 2>very strict and took no mess, you know. But it's

0:50:54.200 --> 0:50:55.160
<v Speaker 2>the discipline I needed.

0:50:57.160 --> 0:51:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Did Luca Third produce that quinin.

0:51:01.640 --> 0:51:03.840
<v Speaker 2>He Actually I think he might have been one of

0:51:03.880 --> 0:51:08.759
<v Speaker 2>the producers. I think I'm not sure, but but it

0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:09.600
<v Speaker 2>wasn't Quincy though.

0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:15.600
<v Speaker 1>No. Okay, okay, okay, okay. What what if you played

0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:19.880
<v Speaker 1>on that we might not know? Like did turn your

0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:23.960
<v Speaker 1>liver room? Thank you? Really? Yeah? Wow? So weird?

0:51:25.400 --> 0:51:27.799
<v Speaker 2>What if I played on? And this is a hard

0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:29.080
<v Speaker 2>question for you because you know everything?

0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, you know, did you suffer?

0:51:33.320 --> 0:51:33.480
<v Speaker 3>You know?

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:35.799
<v Speaker 1>Are you on the heat is on? By Glenn fry

0:51:36.040 --> 0:51:38.680
<v Speaker 1>or I can't tell you why.

0:51:38.719 --> 0:51:45.160
<v Speaker 2>I wish that's really play? Yeah, no, I can't even

0:51:45.200 --> 0:51:48.040
<v Speaker 2>think of anything that is that for real?

0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:51.520
<v Speaker 5>A float or this guy is lying to me right now,

0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:57.000
<v Speaker 5>I did a floater? Lying, I don't, I didn't they

0:51:57.080 --> 0:52:01.839
<v Speaker 5>gave you credit? Oh okay, thanks, wait a minute. Oh

0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:05.000
<v Speaker 5>I'm so glad this came to me. It's gonna kill me. Uh,

0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:09.000
<v Speaker 5>I gotta go back to Triumph. Okay, explain you said

0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:11.480
<v Speaker 5>this to me once and I didn't know. Okay, so

0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:18.480
<v Speaker 5>uh helped me out here guys Dela Light Works there, Okay,

0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:22.360
<v Speaker 5>on your ways on Triumph.

0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:27.439
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna ask about that actually, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:32.239
<v Speaker 1>you said, was that the exact What's going on? Like?

0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:34.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know about that, but I know that

0:52:34.320 --> 0:52:41.080
<v Speaker 2>the instrument used was i'm alotron? Yeah, but the same one.

0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Did you tell me that that was the same exact

0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:44.880
<v Speaker 2>one that Marmon used on.

0:52:46.400 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 1>What's going On?

0:52:47.480 --> 0:52:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh? I don't think so I couldn't possibly.

0:52:50.880 --> 0:52:54.399
<v Speaker 1>Know that, Okay, No, but I know someone told me. Okay,

0:52:54.640 --> 0:52:57.880
<v Speaker 1>someone said it like that, either something like Marvin Heady

0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:01.279
<v Speaker 1>or that Barry headed especially made well yeah, and that

0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Barry had U do you know this story of Motown

0:53:04.040 --> 0:53:08.800
<v Speaker 1>that Raymond Scott had built, had convinced Barry Gordy to

0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:14.600
<v Speaker 1>purchase two of his his version of Tanto and this,

0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:17.319
<v Speaker 1>and he ordered two of them, and then I think

0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:22.320
<v Speaker 1>mid second one, they just discontinued the production. He was like, no,

0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:26.480
<v Speaker 1>never mind, what year was this? Seventy sixty?

0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:30.839
<v Speaker 2>Because I'm wondering if these instruments that you're talking about,

0:53:30.920 --> 0:53:41.080
<v Speaker 2>if they were used in these incredible ways for songs

0:53:41.200 --> 0:53:48.120
<v Speaker 2>like Reflections, because I I defy anybody to tell me

0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:50.239
<v Speaker 2>what the hell that sound is in the opening.

0:53:56.160 --> 0:53:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Whatever that is?

0:53:56.920 --> 0:53:59.160
<v Speaker 2>So and then they then they used something else later on,

0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:03.319
<v Speaker 2>like what you know in these random places in the song,

0:54:03.360 --> 0:54:06.040
<v Speaker 2>which is brilliant, but I have no idea what it

0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:06.600
<v Speaker 2>is here.

0:54:06.520 --> 0:54:09.839
<v Speaker 1>It is, okay, so yeah. In nineteen sixty nine, Barrigordy

0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:13.600
<v Speaker 1>tipped off about a map musical scientists engage the mysterious works.

0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:13.959
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:54:14.200 --> 0:54:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Visited Scott at his Long Island lab to witness the

0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:19.200
<v Speaker 1>electronium that's what he called.

0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:23.000
<v Speaker 2>It, electronium Wow yeah, and all of its infinitous possibilities.

0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:25.560
<v Speaker 1>And Gordy hired Scott in seventy one to serve as

0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:32.080
<v Speaker 1>director of Motown's electronic music and research departments. Wow wow Oh,

0:54:32.239 --> 0:54:37.520
<v Speaker 1>position Scott held until nineteen seventy seven. Really wow. No

0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Motown recordings using Scott's electronic inventions have been publicly identified.

0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh sad as that, but yeah, he originally someone says

0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:50.040
<v Speaker 1>that he originally started working on the electronium out of

0:54:50.120 --> 0:54:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Barry's house. They set up a room over the garages

0:54:53.239 --> 0:54:55.279
<v Speaker 1>and he worked there putting stuff together so Barry could

0:54:55.480 --> 0:54:57.879
<v Speaker 1>get involved and see the progress, and at one point

0:54:57.960 --> 0:55:01.840
<v Speaker 1>worked out of the Studiou unit never got finalized, and

0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Ray had a real problem letting go.

0:55:04.239 --> 0:55:04.359
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:55:04.480 --> 0:55:07.160
<v Speaker 1>It was always being developed and that was the problem

0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:07.640
<v Speaker 1>for Barry.

0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:09.480
<v Speaker 2>You know what, what do you think it probably sounded

0:55:09.560 --> 0:55:14.320
<v Speaker 2>like crap, it's a waste of seven thousand? What do

0:55:14.400 --> 0:55:16.080
<v Speaker 2>you think it probably just wasn't good?

0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:21.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Uh? Do you have a we are the world question? Steve? Yeah?

0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:23.239
<v Speaker 4>I mean I didn't even put it together in my

0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:26.200
<v Speaker 4>head that that that was you on that just you know,

0:55:26.680 --> 0:55:28.399
<v Speaker 4>is your name on the cover of that forty five?

0:55:28.560 --> 0:55:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Like no, not, no, that's just the artist. But I

0:55:31.239 --> 0:55:32.120
<v Speaker 2>did play piano on it.

0:55:33.000 --> 0:55:34.360
<v Speaker 4>The artist is one of the artists.

0:55:34.400 --> 0:55:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Then what happened there?

0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:40.960
<v Speaker 2>No, I wasn't No, it's not on the cover. No, no, no, no, no, no.

0:55:45.600 --> 0:55:57.080
<v Speaker 3>Every since you walked out, I don't know what. Hey,

0:55:57.160 --> 0:56:01.239
<v Speaker 3>great was the artist and maybe it's the same person,

0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:03.560
<v Speaker 3>But who was the artist that that you really ran

0:56:03.680 --> 0:56:07.360
<v Speaker 3>to the studio outside of, of course Stevie Jackson's finel

0:56:07.600 --> 0:56:09.280
<v Speaker 3>that you ran to the studio to work with because

0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:11.080
<v Speaker 3>you were so excited, and who was the artist that

0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:12.960
<v Speaker 3>you ran on tour to be with me?

0:56:13.080 --> 0:56:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Nobody excited?

0:56:14.600 --> 0:56:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Is anybody?

0:56:16.840 --> 0:56:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Well?

0:56:17.080 --> 0:56:18.960
<v Speaker 2>As far as touring, you know, there was a time

0:56:19.000 --> 0:56:25.320
<v Speaker 2>when I toured with a Beatle, which one, nope, this

0:56:25.640 --> 0:56:28.320
<v Speaker 2>this this other guy that I was touring with. I

0:56:28.480 --> 0:56:32.200
<v Speaker 2>was in his band, and we already had a set

0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:35.440
<v Speaker 2>thing going. And then uh, that artist managed to convince

0:56:36.480 --> 0:56:40.960
<v Speaker 2>George to tour with us, and he said, you can

0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:44.040
<v Speaker 2>use my band, and so it was the Eric Clapton

0:56:44.640 --> 0:56:48.520
<v Speaker 2>and George Harrison tour of Japan. And you haven't lived

0:56:48.600 --> 0:56:51.680
<v Speaker 2>until you've toured with a Beatle. Jesus, it didn't suck.

0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:54.600
<v Speaker 2>And we go to here's a crazy thing. We go

0:56:54.640 --> 0:56:58.920
<v Speaker 2>to Tokyo and of course George was absolutely lovely, beautiful

0:56:59.239 --> 0:57:04.680
<v Speaker 2>human being. We go to Tokyo and we're all we're

0:57:04.680 --> 0:57:10.239
<v Speaker 2>all terribly excited, and we were in the hotel it's

0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:13.960
<v Speaker 2>called the Capitol Tokyo Hotel. We're in George's room. TV's

0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:19.640
<v Speaker 2>on and they're playing footage. I mean they're they're announcing

0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:21.840
<v Speaker 2>obviously the George is in town, but they're playing footage

0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:25.160
<v Speaker 2>of when the Beatles pulled up to the exact same

0:57:25.200 --> 0:57:28.320
<v Speaker 2>hotel we're staying in. So now I'm in a room.

0:57:28.440 --> 0:57:31.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm in a suite with a Beatle, watching footage of

0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:36.520
<v Speaker 2>when his band pulled up to the same hotel we're in, Like, okay,

0:57:37.080 --> 0:57:40.240
<v Speaker 2>just kind of take this in and so we toured around.

0:57:40.240 --> 0:57:40.720
<v Speaker 1>It was great.

0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:47.280
<v Speaker 2>And then and then another George story, which I always

0:57:47.320 --> 0:57:49.560
<v Speaker 2>love to tell. It was the second time I went

0:57:49.600 --> 0:57:55.200
<v Speaker 2>to visit him at his home and he opens the

0:57:55.240 --> 0:58:06.400
<v Speaker 2>door and he's He's in corn Rows, George. George, Yeah, okay,

0:58:07.560 --> 0:58:09.840
<v Speaker 2>he opened the door and I go, well, I didn't

0:58:09.840 --> 0:58:16.040
<v Speaker 2>see this coming, George, what do you think? I said,

0:58:16.080 --> 0:58:18.400
<v Speaker 2>First of all, how did you get your hair in Cornrows?

0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:23.280
<v Speaker 2>How did that work? But he was in cornera I

0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:25.800
<v Speaker 2>wish I took a picture of him. But so we're

0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:27.920
<v Speaker 2>hanging out and then he goes, do you want to

0:58:27.960 --> 0:58:33.600
<v Speaker 2>hear the new song? Then I go, okay. We go

0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:36.680
<v Speaker 2>up to the bedroom, plays the thing, and I got

0:58:36.800 --> 0:58:44.840
<v Speaker 2>my private world premiere of Free Wow as a Bird,

0:58:45.000 --> 0:58:49.560
<v Speaker 2>And I'm sitting there and I'm absolutely transfixed and mesmerized.

0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:52.040
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe that I'm, first of all, sitting in

0:58:52.160 --> 0:58:56.200
<v Speaker 2>the bedroom of a beatle listening to the last song

0:58:56.480 --> 0:59:00.200
<v Speaker 2>all the Beatles did. And I'm sitting there and chills

0:59:00.240 --> 0:59:02.080
<v Speaker 2>are running up and down my SPI. First of all,

0:59:02.360 --> 0:59:04.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm getting hills even talking about this right now. But

0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:06.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm sitting there and I'm just trying to take all

0:59:06.760 --> 0:59:09.080
<v Speaker 2>this and I'm going I went.

0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Around with George Harrison.

0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I can't believe.

0:59:14.120 --> 0:59:15.120
<v Speaker 5>This is right now.

0:59:16.160 --> 0:59:19.640
<v Speaker 1>But sham okay.

0:59:19.680 --> 0:59:22.040
<v Speaker 3>On the heels of that question, you also you also

0:59:22.200 --> 0:59:25.280
<v Speaker 3>m DD a lot of specials and award shows. What

0:59:25.480 --> 0:59:27.280
<v Speaker 3>was your what was one of your favorite experiences with that?

0:59:27.360 --> 0:59:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Ps?

0:59:27.760 --> 0:59:30.280
<v Speaker 3>I really enjoyed watching because you're always.

0:59:29.960 --> 0:59:30.440
<v Speaker 1>So in me.

0:59:31.320 --> 0:59:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

0:59:31.800 --> 0:59:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, where's your first one that you did? Like your

0:59:34.720 --> 0:59:35.640
<v Speaker 1>first awards that you.

0:59:36.520 --> 0:59:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, I don't know the first awards show

0:59:39.920 --> 0:59:44.919
<v Speaker 2>that I am? Indeed, wow, I I don't know. I'd

0:59:44.920 --> 0:59:46.440
<v Speaker 2>have to research that. I don't.

0:59:47.840 --> 0:59:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Damn so Ricky Minor wasn't born with that, but times

0:59:50.200 --> 0:59:50.560
<v Speaker 1>and he.

0:59:50.720 --> 0:59:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Just okay, here you go, thank you. But no, uh no,

0:59:57.120 --> 1:00:01.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember. But I'll tell you what the pretty

1:00:01.320 --> 1:00:06.280
<v Speaker 2>much the best one was. It was based off of

1:00:06.640 --> 1:00:07.480
<v Speaker 2>how I got started?

1:00:09.040 --> 1:00:13.440
<v Speaker 3>Mm hm, the Jackson special. No, he's how you got

1:00:13.480 --> 1:00:14.680
<v Speaker 3>started started?

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking of the Detroit Symphony thing. Uh Stevie.

1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:27.800
<v Speaker 2>In the Key of Life. It was a Grammy tribute.

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<v Speaker 2>I am dated, that's anyone. So that's why that's the

1:00:33.360 --> 1:00:33.800
<v Speaker 2>best one.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, so you're a g an egg. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the second best one is probably the Jackson's thirtieth

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<v Speaker 2>Anniversary in the Garden, because I mean, this is the

1:00:44.560 --> 1:00:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Jackson's thirty Anniversary in the Garden.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, all right, question, yeah, since that night was

1:00:52.000 --> 1:00:57.360
<v Speaker 1>so vivid. That day after it was so memorable. By

1:00:57.360 --> 1:00:59.080
<v Speaker 1>the way, this was based off of because we did

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<v Speaker 1>two shows. I know, I'm going to ask you about

1:01:01.600 --> 1:01:04.560
<v Speaker 1>that second show. Okay, how did you get out of

1:01:04.600 --> 1:01:05.800
<v Speaker 1>New York City? Right?

1:01:06.040 --> 1:01:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, it wasn't by plane.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, nothing was happening the day, the day of,

1:01:12.840 --> 1:01:13.400
<v Speaker 2>or the day after.

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<v Speaker 1>We might want to tell everybody what that day was.

1:01:15.400 --> 1:01:18.880
<v Speaker 2>It was September eleventh, two thousand and one, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was after the second show, which was September tenth, and

1:01:23.320 --> 1:01:27.360
<v Speaker 2>the first show, which was the eighth, because there was

1:01:27.400 --> 1:01:29.120
<v Speaker 2>a break in between, I think because of the circus.

1:01:30.120 --> 1:01:33.439
<v Speaker 2>But the first show was September eighth, the second show

1:01:33.600 --> 1:01:39.800
<v Speaker 2>was September tenth, and I remember after that show, just

1:01:41.120 --> 1:01:43.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, having more of a private celebration, you know,

1:01:43.760 --> 1:01:45.320
<v Speaker 2>dinner with a buddy of mine at the time, and

1:01:45.920 --> 1:01:49.280
<v Speaker 2>had like, you know, just kind of a celebratory dinner

1:01:49.360 --> 1:01:53.840
<v Speaker 2>and everything was great. And then my wife at the

1:01:53.920 --> 1:02:02.600
<v Speaker 2>time the next morning, you know, we slept in because

1:02:02.680 --> 1:02:04.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, we had such a great night, so we

1:02:04.280 --> 1:02:09.840
<v Speaker 2>slept in late. And I had this plan. I had

1:02:10.000 --> 1:02:12.440
<v Speaker 2>two plans that I wanted to do. I wanted to

1:02:12.920 --> 1:02:15.440
<v Speaker 2>go to Central Park and take my wife on a

1:02:15.480 --> 1:02:18.760
<v Speaker 2>canoe ride. And I also wanted to go to my

1:02:18.840 --> 1:02:21.960
<v Speaker 2>favorite place, my favorite restaurant for lunch, which is a

1:02:22.000 --> 1:02:27.400
<v Speaker 2>restaurant called La bill Bouquet. And so I called the

1:02:27.520 --> 1:02:31.720
<v Speaker 2>restaurant after I woke up, because I wanted to make reservations.

1:02:31.760 --> 1:02:32.960
<v Speaker 2>I called and said, yeah, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Ago?

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I'd like to, you know, come to the

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<v Speaker 2>to the spot today and the person said, today's not

1:02:40.280 --> 1:02:45.840
<v Speaker 2>a good day. Said why it's not a good Day's

1:02:45.920 --> 1:02:49.720
<v Speaker 2>people are crying, it's terrible, It's it's not a good day.

1:02:50.120 --> 1:02:53.160
<v Speaker 2>I go, what are you talking about. The person went,

1:02:53.680 --> 1:02:58.240
<v Speaker 2>have you seen the news? Go No, said you might

1:02:58.280 --> 1:03:01.200
<v Speaker 2>want to turn the TV on right now. That's how

1:03:01.240 --> 1:03:07.240
<v Speaker 2>we found out, damn. And then after the initial shock,

1:03:08.040 --> 1:03:09.440
<v Speaker 2>which took a long time to get over it, and

1:03:09.520 --> 1:03:13.000
<v Speaker 2>we started smelling smoke. And by the way I was staying,

1:03:14.200 --> 1:03:16.880
<v Speaker 2>I was staying at the plaza Athenae Way way uptown,

1:03:17.560 --> 1:03:19.439
<v Speaker 2>and you could smell the smoke there.

1:03:19.960 --> 1:03:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Damn.

1:03:20.600 --> 1:03:24.760
<v Speaker 2>The producer of the show, David Guest, was very good

1:03:24.800 --> 1:03:27.080
<v Speaker 2>to me though, because he let me stay at the

1:03:27.120 --> 1:03:29.920
<v Speaker 2>plaza until the end of the week or until I

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<v Speaker 2>could get away out. And so what happened was we

1:03:32.880 --> 1:03:36.200
<v Speaker 2>kept trying by flights and it was very, very very difficult.

1:03:36.520 --> 1:03:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Free to pain I remember was one of the lucky ones.

1:03:38.880 --> 1:03:41.800
<v Speaker 2>She got out on the plane. Came to find out.

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<v Speaker 2>Came to find out later on that Michael uh that

1:03:46.440 --> 1:03:50.840
<v Speaker 2>car ride with yeah, he went that was real.

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<v Speaker 1>He did that.

1:03:52.720 --> 1:03:57.200
<v Speaker 2>But I didn't know how the cross country with Elizabeth

1:03:57.200 --> 1:04:00.440
<v Speaker 2>Taylor and I watched his name Marlon Yeah, yeah, I

1:04:00.480 --> 1:04:03.840
<v Speaker 2>don't know, yeah, because I didn't. I didn't know that

1:04:04.040 --> 1:04:05.560
<v Speaker 2>at the time, and I didn't know how the rest

1:04:05.600 --> 1:04:07.480
<v Speaker 2>of the brothers made out. I didn't know how anybody

1:04:07.520 --> 1:04:10.880
<v Speaker 2>else got out, but me and my wife at that time,

1:04:11.560 --> 1:04:14.760
<v Speaker 2>we we couldn't get up playing out, so we just

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<v Speaker 2>decided at the end of that week, that Saturday, that

1:04:18.680 --> 1:04:21.360
<v Speaker 2>we'd run a car, so we drove over to we

1:04:21.440 --> 1:04:23.720
<v Speaker 2>got we went over to Jersey and got a hurt

1:04:23.720 --> 1:04:26.920
<v Speaker 2>sprint a car, and we drove cross country and it

1:04:27.040 --> 1:04:30.360
<v Speaker 2>was part of like a mini mini cavalcade because Cheryl

1:04:30.440 --> 1:04:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Lynn was with us, Yeah, and and strange, Yeah, she

1:04:36.760 --> 1:04:42.160
<v Speaker 2>and her cousin or her manager. Actually we we didn't draw,

1:04:42.280 --> 1:04:44.000
<v Speaker 2>we didn't drive all together, but we drove, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in in separate cars. And we drove cross country all

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<v Speaker 2>the way back, and we stopped in Saint Louis, where

1:04:50.800 --> 1:04:56.160
<v Speaker 2>her manager's mom lived, and it was a Saint Louis,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure it was Saint Louis. We stopped there

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<v Speaker 2>and we made a couple of other steps and we

1:04:58.920 --> 1:05:00.440
<v Speaker 2>drove all the way. And that was the first and

1:05:00.520 --> 1:05:03.120
<v Speaker 2>only time I drove a cross country and I never

1:05:03.280 --> 1:05:07.440
<v Speaker 2>imagined it would be for that reason. Ship that's crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>no traffic, no track, it was. It was eerily calm

1:05:13.320 --> 1:05:17.600
<v Speaker 2>and still there's no traffic. And I remember hearing them

1:05:17.640 --> 1:05:21.120
<v Speaker 2>play this particular song a lot during a cross country riding.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a song by Nya.

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<v Speaker 1>No that is not the right like that for two weeks. No,

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<v Speaker 1>they only played like imagine there was a whole no

1:05:38.640 --> 1:05:42.000
<v Speaker 1>no songs or the no playlist. Yeah, which is why,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why I ode on the blueprint. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1:05:48.360 --> 1:05:53.280
<v Speaker 1>it's man. Can you do you remember you remember? Can

1:05:53.320 --> 1:05:55.560
<v Speaker 1>you take us through where you were when you got

1:05:55.600 --> 1:05:56.360
<v Speaker 1>the dues about Mike?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. I was in Beverly Hills and I was I

1:06:06.360 --> 1:06:12.920
<v Speaker 2>just dropped off a watch to get repaired, and my

1:06:13.080 --> 1:06:16.040
<v Speaker 2>wife at that time called me and said, did you

1:06:16.120 --> 1:06:18.760
<v Speaker 2>hear about Michael? I go, what are you talking about?

1:06:19.600 --> 1:06:23.040
<v Speaker 2>I heard the news and I just knew. I was

1:06:23.120 --> 1:06:29.160
<v Speaker 2>in shock, you know, I I it was just you know,

1:06:30.680 --> 1:06:38.600
<v Speaker 2>and yet I wasn't, you know. And what I really

1:06:38.680 --> 1:06:45.880
<v Speaker 2>remember after that is going through the preparations with Brandy,

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<v Speaker 2>because Randy brought me in and he wanted me to

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<v Speaker 2>help out with the with the memorial. And then we

1:06:57.120 --> 1:07:01.400
<v Speaker 2>we had a meeting at Kenerle's house, Randy Ken and

1:07:01.480 --> 1:07:04.600
<v Speaker 2>I and we started talking things, you know, talking things

1:07:04.640 --> 1:07:11.600
<v Speaker 2>through and you know, artists and so forth. And I

1:07:11.680 --> 1:07:13.720
<v Speaker 2>remember thinking, well, it would be really nice if Steve

1:07:13.760 --> 1:07:19.800
<v Speaker 2>saying I never dreamed bed leave in summer, uh, which

1:07:20.000 --> 1:07:23.480
<v Speaker 2>was which was deeply poetic because he did leave us

1:07:23.520 --> 1:07:32.320
<v Speaker 2>in summer, and I remember going to I remember having

1:07:32.360 --> 1:07:34.439
<v Speaker 2>private meetings, you know, with Randy, and I remember going

1:07:34.560 --> 1:07:37.800
<v Speaker 2>down to l A Live and it was the only

1:07:38.200 --> 1:07:41.960
<v Speaker 2>time that I was in the l A Live executive building,

1:07:42.000 --> 1:07:43.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, where all the offices were, and I remember

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<v Speaker 2>having we were we had this meeting with Randy and

1:07:48.160 --> 1:07:58.400
<v Speaker 2>ken and uh uh uh Simon what's Simon's first name?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

1:08:02.320 --> 1:08:07.240
<v Speaker 2>Who No, as Sideman, He's Sideman, He's he's the Uh,

1:08:07.960 --> 1:08:11.800
<v Speaker 2>he's the uh he basically runs he basically runs LA Live,

1:08:11.880 --> 1:08:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Staples Center and Microsoft Center. Uh Lee Lee Seidman.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Lywickie wasn't there at that time, I don't think, but

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<v Speaker 2>there were other executives and we we you know, they were.

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<v Speaker 2>We were discussing everything, like, you know, how many tickets

1:08:33.479 --> 1:08:36.200
<v Speaker 2>for family, how many tickets for VP, He's all this

1:08:36.320 --> 1:08:38.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff, everything, you know. And then I remember

1:08:39.439 --> 1:08:45.680
<v Speaker 2>meeting it at Staples with the brothers in a backstage

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<v Speaker 2>room and it was me and the brothers, Kenner like

1:08:49.080 --> 1:08:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Valdez Flag legendary stage manager, and maybe one other person

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<v Speaker 2>and we were just all sitting there and at different points,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, one of the brothers would cry it was

1:09:00.640 --> 1:09:06.400
<v Speaker 2>really really heavy. And I remember also taking the walk

1:09:08.160 --> 1:09:12.040
<v Speaker 2>through the underground tunnel from Staples to what is now

1:09:12.160 --> 1:09:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Microsoft Center, because there's this underground tunnel that connects the

1:09:14.960 --> 1:09:18.519
<v Speaker 2>two because it was built that way for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just as a cool thing for any artists that want

1:09:20.400 --> 1:09:23.120
<v Speaker 2>to do double duty or whatever, easy access, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we walked this underground tunnel from Staples to

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<v Speaker 2>it was a different name then, but whatever. But so

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<v Speaker 2>we go there, and that was designed for the family

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<v Speaker 2>to leave Staples to go to Microsoft Center for the

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<v Speaker 2>overflow of people who couldn't get in the Staples, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was designed for so the family was going to go.

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<v Speaker 2>The original idea was that the family was going to

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<v Speaker 2>go and thank them. But they didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>We did a practice walk, but after it actually happened,

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't do it. They they didn't do it because

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<v Speaker 2>it was it was like enough for really you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, you know, with everything that went on and

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<v Speaker 2>and uh so, yeah, it was very heavy, and I

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<v Speaker 2>remember I remember having a very very private moment with

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<v Speaker 2>Marlon at Havenhurst and him, you know, we talked and

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, he cried on my shoulder. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>very very difficult. But uh, you know, but I also remember,

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<v Speaker 2>you know at Staples when we were there going through things,

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<v Speaker 2>that Barry came over and we we we all took

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<v Speaker 2>pictures together, Barry and the brothers and me and just

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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of memories.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, how can one how could one be creative

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<v Speaker 1>in a time like that, because you know, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to go with arrangements and okay, all right, what key

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to sing in? And D D D

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, call up musicians and background sound check

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<v Speaker 1>and you know.

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<v Speaker 2>What you just do you just do man. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know one thing Earl is really good at is

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<v Speaker 2>just forging through no matter what, because he's had to

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<v Speaker 2>in all kinds he's had, He's been hit with all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of last minute things like you know, uh, they

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<v Speaker 2>were rehearsing the grass like the day of the Grammy

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<v Speaker 2>thing where Chris God Jesus, I think I was, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was there. I was there. You talk about you

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<v Speaker 2>talk about having a chance on the fly and.

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<v Speaker 3>What what was it?

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<v Speaker 1>What the backstory was that the Chris Brown Rihanna thing

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<v Speaker 1>just happened and that was the year they decided to

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<v Speaker 1>let artists double up on things. So Timberlake had like

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<v Speaker 1>two or three songs, and Chris Brown had two or

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<v Speaker 1>three songs, and Rihanna had two or three songs, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was gonna be like the first mashup thing of

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<v Speaker 1>duets and multiple songs. But without Chris Brown Rihanna, they

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<v Speaker 1>there was like space for five songs and I never

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<v Speaker 1>two things happened that day, which is the most surreal

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<v Speaker 1>ship I've ever seen in my life. One Early and

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<v Speaker 1>his whole crew literally now it's about let's say it

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<v Speaker 1>in hour fifteen minutes until they realized that Brown and

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<v Speaker 1>Rihanna are no show.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're just scouring up the scramming voice of men.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you sing Let's say together?

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<v Speaker 2>Al Green? No, no, no, They're just grabbing people from

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<v Speaker 2>the audience like this.

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<v Speaker 1>We need we need a four minute song. That so

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<v Speaker 1>that whole thing of like, uh, boys to the men

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<v Speaker 1>singing Let's stay together. Yeah, none of that ship was

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<v Speaker 1>playing the amperstitionous thing with Stevie Wonder with the Jonas

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<v Speaker 1>brothers jon brother No. But wait here's the other funny thing. So, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the the the Coldplay controversy with Joe Satriani. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>where they hit Jack the Viva Levito. So they've been

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<v Speaker 1>and running away from getting their summons from Satriani's people

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<v Speaker 1>for like two months. So he had a plan. He

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<v Speaker 1>had a plan. He's like, Yo, I'm gonna get them

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<v Speaker 1>motherfuckers at the Grammys. When I tell you you remember

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<v Speaker 1>them old Keystone Caper things were like you watch the

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<v Speaker 1>The Cops, That's exactly what happened. So you had the

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<v Speaker 1>people running this way to serve the papers and then

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<v Speaker 1>Coldplay running this way, and then it was like you

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<v Speaker 1>could have put the flight of the Bumble beat to

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<v Speaker 1>the Ship saw just just in the top it. Oh god,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I should no, just no, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>all my stuff, it's just the end of the night.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like artists are like very think of like

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<v Speaker 1>a cat, like an oasis. You know, this guy's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care about the Grammys. That's sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, Tom ne Yorke took losing the cold Play

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<v Speaker 1>very very hard and how hard a very emotional way.

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<v Speaker 1>So just that was the most surreal, dang. But to

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<v Speaker 1>see yeah, literally between Erlic just scrambling for people to

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<v Speaker 1>sing Ship and cold Play and Satriani's h I had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea that it was going.

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<v Speaker 5>It was the funniest day of my life. Wow, it

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<v Speaker 5>was funny. I'm glad somebody would have had something to

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<v Speaker 5>laugh about that day.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, did the thing was? We didn't? No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you didn't know what was happening. Yeah. It's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like being in the New York doing the

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<v Speaker 1>blackout right Like in Detroit, I saw y'all. I knew

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<v Speaker 1>y'all in the blackout, but I don't think y'all really

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<v Speaker 1>knew because there was no TV to turn on to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Pridy could say, we couldn't write.

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<v Speaker 2>You could be told you were in a blackout.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was just like, oh we heard like Rihanna's

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<v Speaker 1>not coming, Like we didn't until I got home. Then

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<v Speaker 1>we saw oh ship that happened?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah that was sort of the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. So, uh, did we cover everything in your life? No?

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<v Speaker 2>Not even close, like the whole part two?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is already.

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<v Speaker 3>Signs and movies and ship.

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<v Speaker 1>You did score.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't score it.

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<v Speaker 1>I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually I just did one thing, okay for a female

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<v Speaker 2>artist who the girl who did Private Joy Shane Shane. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I sang the demo.

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<v Speaker 1>Produced by Jimmy Iovien. Wow, Oh that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Where somebody asked me to do somebody asked me to

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<v Speaker 2>do that, you know, produce that thing for that girl.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did that. Did Private Joy in.

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<v Speaker 3>The Street to fire? Were you in the band?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No, I was in another movie, ding movie, the

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<v Speaker 2>only my only this is it my only movie day?

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<v Speaker 2>But I didn't do this is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Because Michael you're right, You're right. Sorry, Okay, I was young.

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<v Speaker 2>Say but you haven't lived until you've been directed by

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<v Speaker 2>Steven Spielberg.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you? What movie.

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<v Speaker 2>You would be a player?

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<v Speaker 1>We got to I was in Next in the Color

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<v Speaker 1>Purple as well. I was six baby.

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<v Speaker 6>Kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I was one of the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>The scene where the scene where she's hanging up closed,

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<v Speaker 1>she's saying, no, you gotta fight, you gotta what Ceeli

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<v Speaker 1>and Neddie are talking and so then like a kid

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<v Speaker 1>comes and runs through the sheet and she's like, y'all

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<v Speaker 1>get on the way from you. I was ya, you

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<v Speaker 1>got our shooting vituals.

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<v Speaker 4>But you're not going to believe this.

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<v Speaker 8>But also, yeah, man, exactly, you were the kid, and

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<v Speaker 8>you were you were the kid. You were the one

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<v Speaker 8>of the kids of the owner of the general store.

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<v Speaker 2>By some girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you g but guess what though, guess what, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not even my voice. I want that? Wait wait, I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>But I did say it. Yeah, I did say it,

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<v Speaker 2>but in the final and over, I guess it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>loud enough, so they had they had somebody else go well,

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<v Speaker 2>but I did. That's me playing wow and that hysterical.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you want a really good laugh, whipped that

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<v Speaker 2>out one night, you'll crack up. Yeah, gotta you laugh

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<v Speaker 2>yourself silly.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait.

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<v Speaker 2>Great, But that's how I met Oprah. Ah what And

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<v Speaker 2>that's how I met uh Danny, And that's how I

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<v Speaker 2>met the cast of wacky characters. And yeah wait, oh

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<v Speaker 2>there's another thing that I did that I'm very proud

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<v Speaker 2>of that you probably didn't know I did. Thanks to

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<v Speaker 2>Ken Irlic Oprahs final two shows, Thank you man? Wait?

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<v Speaker 1>What were her final two shows?

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<v Speaker 2>An extraaganza with every star you've ever heard of in

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<v Speaker 2>your entire life, in the entire galaxy that digit's ever interviewed.

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<v Speaker 2>They came out, oh to say goodbye? And yeah that's stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So what musical moment? Who who was the last you? Indeed?

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever the musical moment was? Oh, I indeed the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So who was the last person.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know who the last person was, but but

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<v Speaker 2>probably my favorite segment was when we when were surprised

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<v Speaker 2>it with Steve, because what happened was the setup Wash

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie mm hmm, you know went to her and started,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, talking all his smack and everything, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>he he would he started, isn't she lovely?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So he started it. So we did a slow version

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<v Speaker 2>and that's me playing with him and everything, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we we I do some some chord changes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some different courts to set up into the original key

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<v Speaker 2>of isn't she lovely? For Steve to rise out of

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<v Speaker 2>the floor on a panel is love and she turns around.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, I gotta ask, do you have you ever had

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<v Speaker 1>as an m d uh a Murphy's Law moment for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Everything can go on.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like, as a sequencer ever not worked on

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<v Speaker 1>you know when jam is on at the intro, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>did you miss a if you can't feed your baby

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<v Speaker 1>Q or that freeze or want to be starting something or.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I we probably did. We probably had some you

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<v Speaker 2>mean doing the Bad Tour? Well, yeah, I mean just

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<v Speaker 2>in general general not not yeah, probably, but not to

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<v Speaker 2>not anything that just stands out to gregor, Oh, you

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<v Speaker 2>won't believe this. So I'm sure they happened, but they

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<v Speaker 2>were mercifully far and few between.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, well great.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>I really do want to know what you played on

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<v Speaker 4>the other world, like what instruments that.

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<v Speaker 2>You Oh this piano, played piano and there's the piano too, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but well and to your point, yes, and he co

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<v Speaker 2>wrote the song, but no, he he doesn't need to

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<v Speaker 2>play it. He's one of the featured artists, so he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't need So they had they have other sense and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that. Oh yeah, so Quincy had a few of us.

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<v Speaker 2>It was me, David Page and I think, and there

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<v Speaker 2>was one other one I can't remember who. They're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>kill me thout, but but I played piano. Page played

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<v Speaker 2>you know, electric piano, I thing or other instruments. And

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<v Speaker 2>there was a third keyboarders as well. So there were

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<v Speaker 2>much of this no, well just other sense, not strings.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so there were I'm pretty sure three keyboard

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<v Speaker 2>players and I did the piano. Thank you, thank you well,

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<v Speaker 2>brother Greg Amir.

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<v Speaker 1>You you gave us dog, you brought it. You brought

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<v Speaker 1>the stories, you brought, the dramas, you brought the listen.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what, but it takes someone as nerdy

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<v Speaker 2>and as knowledgeable as you are and your fine team.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just say right now, you guys are really wonderful,

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<v Speaker 2>even Steve. Okay, okay, I getly function.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it, and I have to pee right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But I must say I had no idea that I

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<v Speaker 2>would be here for over three hours, but like I

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<v Speaker 2>have enjoyed every second of it felt like three minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>And blessings to you all and.

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<v Speaker 1>To just thank you for you, just for all your contributions,

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<v Speaker 1>all your music, just for raising all of us. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you on behalf of Sugar Steve and I'm paid well,

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<v Speaker 1>well he's not here on behalf of Sugar Steve and

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<v Speaker 1>Boss Bill and Fantiicolo and Laiah. Yeah, I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>say thank you Greg again. This is Quest Love Course

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<v Speaker 1>Love Supreme and we will see you on the Mexico

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