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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic

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Speaker 1: episode was produced by the team at Pandora. What's Up, y'all?

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Speaker 1: Last week on Quest Love Supreme, Greg Philin Gains took

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Speaker 1: us on a journey through his career for auditioning for

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Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder's band fresh out of high school to work

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Speaker 1: with the Jackson's during the Destiny and Triumph years, and

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Speaker 1: he left. Greg he was telling us how he got

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Speaker 1: jack for his right is credit for ten percent of

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Speaker 1: the publishing royalties for Michael Jackson's Don't Stop Team Get Enough.

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Speaker 1: And he also said there was a Quincy Jones version

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Speaker 1: of that story too. So it's part two of the

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Speaker 1: special Greg Phillin Gaines edition of Quest Love Supreme. Here

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Speaker 1: we go. So you know it's the zo well amir

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Speaker 1: angerwez hunter Weed.

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Speaker 2: No oh no no no no, no, no, no, no

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Speaker 2: no no, not that. There's something a lot more subtle. Oprah,

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Speaker 2: huh no no no, no no. You're never gonna get it.

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Speaker 2: You're not gonna get it. I'm going to set it

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Speaker 2: up for you because you're never going to get it.

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Speaker 2: The setup is this, it's good in it. You're having

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Speaker 2: fun with it. You want to do another one. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 2: So here's the thing. The thing is this. So it's

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Speaker 2: me and it's Neil stupid House and I want to

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Speaker 2: say Paul Jackson Junior. And I'm not sure, but I

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Speaker 2: think so. And I'm pretty sure it's j R. On drums.

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Speaker 2: We're in the studio and we're just vibing, you know,

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Speaker 2: we're just right about here. We're vibing, you know, and

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Speaker 2: it's a nice little thing going on. We're just flying,

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Speaker 2: you know. Quincy's like, hey, all right, you know, you

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Speaker 2: know we're just vibing, and this vibe is being recorded,

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Speaker 2: you know, right about here. And Okay, some time passes,

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Speaker 2: and I don't mean hours, I don't mean days. I

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Speaker 2: mean some time. And now Quincy's working on.

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Speaker 1: I think I figured it out.

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Speaker 2: I believe so, I believe so wait wait wait, wait,

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Speaker 2: wait before you all say anything about so. And he says, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, we're doing this thing, and I want to

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Speaker 2: I want to recreate that groove thing, you know. I

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Speaker 2: want to recreate that thing that's right about this temple

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Speaker 2: right here. And so if you think you know what

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Speaker 2: what is the song secret Jams? Oh damn, I had

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Speaker 2: the wrong oneard bing wow, thank you okay, and as okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: damn oh, there's a story for everything. There's a story

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Speaker 2: for everything. So it's like, I love Quincy's dirty draws.

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Speaker 2: But he never he would never admit that, because, you

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Speaker 2: know what, I asked Hi about it one day He's like,

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Speaker 2: what are you talking about a long time ago? I

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Speaker 2: asked him, and he reared up at me, like what

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Speaker 2: are you talking about? Okay, I get it.

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Speaker 3: Damn heart.

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Speaker 2: So after that joint, it's pretty stupid.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, I was just no.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's the here's here's the thing. The thing

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Speaker 2: is this. I I was too busy being hurt. I

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Speaker 2: was too busy being emotionally affected, as opposed to saying,

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Speaker 2: oh hell with this, I'm fighting this. But really, are

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Speaker 2: you really prepared to fight Michael Michael Jackson for a

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Speaker 2: piece of a song with Michael and his his his

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Speaker 2: team of lawyers.

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Speaker 1: Are you really gonna do?

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Speaker 2: You really think you're gonna like succeed in that and

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Speaker 2: have a freaking prayer? So what am I gonna do?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: And so I had to suck it up. But what

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Speaker 2: I lost in look ten percent? Please, I'd be living

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Speaker 2: next to Quincy with ten of that one song. So

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Speaker 2: but you know what I lost in revenue, I'd like

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Speaker 2: from that. And by the way, it ain't just that.

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Speaker 1: What else you got?

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Speaker 2: Oh? How about did did the did the did the

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Speaker 2: end of Heartbreak Hotel play itself? It's beautiful thank You,

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Speaker 2: which was orchestrated double with because Michael said, we need

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Speaker 3: Did you start after this? Do you start looking around

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Speaker 2: Because I'm too busy being inspired because it happened so

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Speaker 2: Jeopardy theme song, I think I just go, yes, I

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Speaker 1: And there what else you got?

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Speaker 2: So now it's the dangerous Is it dangerous? It's dangerous?

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Speaker 2: I think it's the dangerous album. I think it's a

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Speaker 2: and I just want something. I want some music underneath because.

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Speaker 1: In the closet, in the closet the world m hm.

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Speaker 2: And I just need so I need some music because

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Speaker 2: And so I just need some music. So I said, okay,

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Speaker 1: Well he talks on dangerous for you know, Mama, is

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Speaker 2: Is? It?

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Speaker 1: Is it? What was the it's not here? The world?

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Speaker 1: That will be there? What will you be there? Think?

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Speaker 2: At the end at the WHI was double with orchestra

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Speaker 2: That is about another three minutes, if I'm not mistaken, somewhere.

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Speaker 1: To three on that free Willie money. Yeah. So can

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Speaker 1: I ask a questions?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 4: So can you explain to the listener who may not

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Speaker 4: know that intricacies of of of what your what your

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Speaker 4: jobs were at these at these sessions. So can you

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Speaker 4: just explain the difference like when when arranging becomes writing

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Speaker 4: and when when associate producing becomes composed to.

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Speaker 2: See if I love to explain that, except there's such

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Speaker 2: a fine line, as such a slippery slope. It's kind

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Speaker 2: of beauties in the eye of the of the beholder.

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Speaker 2: Well arrangings then the in the eye of the who

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Speaker 2: as opposed to just an arranger, as opposed to just

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Speaker 2: one time to and send him on his way because

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Speaker 2: I want all the credit, right.

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Speaker 4: So ultimately those things come down to whether you are

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Speaker 2: It comes down to either whether you're going to stand

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Speaker 2: up and fight it or if it's mutually agreed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm mutually agreed in writing. Have you ever seen

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Speaker 1: with that guy he's in trouble maker? Yeah? Nothing specific,

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Speaker 1: But is there a way to be x Nate and

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Speaker 1: black bald from Because you're in a sweet spot, you

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Speaker 1: keep getting work, and you keep getting work and you

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Speaker 1: keep like you're on. I mean between ninety seven you're

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Speaker 1: on everything I know.

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Speaker 2: But I mean whenever I would try to raise a

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Speaker 2: little dust, I always got pushed back. I mean, there

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Speaker 2: Triumph and and I was I was, I was classified

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Speaker 2: as an associate producer. Well I think wait, wait, wait

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Speaker 2: go and just don't need you today, Bubble. They just

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Speaker 2: I did nothing The day before I went into work.

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Speaker 2: Everything was fine. The next day I go and I'm barred.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes people bar because.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no.

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Speaker 2: They just decided they could take it over from there

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Speaker 2: and they did not need Yeah, they didn't need my

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Speaker 2: Can I ask?

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Speaker 1: All right? So my question about Triumph Engineering one.

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Speaker 2: I do have. I do have a positive punchline story

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Speaker 2: to the end, up to finish a set, But you

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Speaker 1: Well, just the the engineering of the Triumph album. It

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Speaker 1: open Destiny was. And I no, no, why I really

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Speaker 2: It's like, goodness, it almost it's like it's like three D.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember who mixed the.

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Speaker 2: Trump I don't, but the same people were not involved.

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Speaker 2: And I I kind of understand what you're saying sonically,

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Speaker 1: and none of that stuff, no question. Yeah, those sessions, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I the best way I could describe it is fun.

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Speaker 2: Everybody there was so much and how do you how

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Speaker 1: Here's the cassette demo and da da da da, Like

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Speaker 2: Would well, we would hear the demo in some form,

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Speaker 2: blame it on the book, and so it's over. It's

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Speaker 2: charts and I would just dole out the parts. But

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Speaker 2: so much fun, fun fun. I remember, and I think

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Speaker 2: But I remember hearing somebody playing drums and it was

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Speaker 2: really funky. It was just like this thing and I

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Speaker 2: remember peering around and it was Michael.

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Speaker 1: He could play drums.

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Speaker 2: He could play drumshow. Most people do not know this,

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Speaker 2: so he could definitely play and he was fun and

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Speaker 2: it was I only saw it one time, but I

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Speaker 2: there's a picture of an even younger Michael playing drums

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Speaker 2: and I have it said, do you have seen that?

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Speaker 2: But no, I saw him for myself and it was like, wow,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that sense of balance in your system is amazing,

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you. All I can say is that you know,

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Speaker 2: I did it.

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Speaker 2: No, dude, because I I I graduated. Wonder you.

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Speaker 2: No, that's not true. That's not true. You gotta I I, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to get to. Yeah, oh you

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, How are you finding these patches because now that

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Speaker 1: But was he was he more of a tech guy

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Speaker 2: But he Yeah, the the the strength, I would say,

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Speaker 1: Program So but was it a time is money atmosphere?

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Speaker 2: Right, No, it was whatever it takes to get the

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Speaker 1: Okay, But what's the patience factor, cause it's like even okay,

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Speaker 1: They have mere minutes? No, there was no time, There

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Speaker 1: no consideration of time. It's just like Lily, I need

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Speaker 1: What is that intro? Gog? What is that noise? What

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Speaker 1: It's oh god, it's I saw YouTube video.

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Speaker 5: It's an old obviously an old synthesizer and they were

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Speaker 1: Bro, human nature? Is that the patron all those.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's deep Carlo, Okay, they didn't need me for that,

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Speaker 2: listening to because that's at nauseum and then they're like

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Speaker 2: Rest is history?

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Speaker 5: It was just in clavier, by the way, Okay that

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Speaker 1: Of remember that now it's clavier too, Okay. One hundred

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Speaker 1: Ways is one of our favorite sis. You guys, you're

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Speaker 1: that's all I can say. Yes, it's it's been shopped

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Speaker 1: Times like that? Yeah, this is Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 6: Really yoo, y'all can't stand right here in his right

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Speaker 6: hand was your Man's worst night Man, loud enough to

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Speaker 2: Strange.

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Speaker 1: The game is not only danger.

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Speaker 2: What is the most strange? So robs like Tom the Too,

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Speaker 2: bombs like you just happy to see me? Trick, classical

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Speaker 3: What do you say this?

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Speaker 2: This has never heard?

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Speaker 1: This song is like twenty years old. But what see,

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Speaker 2: It's never heard. That's my first time.

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Speaker 2: And it's a crazy person who did that? Yes, whole

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Speaker 2: lot of time on that she did and who actually

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Speaker 1: He told you, like he woke you up out of

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Speaker 1: No, you knew.

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Speaker 2: You knew three things. A. It was gonna be fun.

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Speaker 2: Go that's what it was.

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Speaker 1: Does he play you the full Does he play you the.

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Speaker 1: Know about this? There's there's this. There's a scientist that

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Speaker 2: Supreme, y, he thrit. His goal is to be in

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And so that's what I that's where I was. And again,

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Speaker 1: I have a question about the bad album. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I guess I shared this theory in the documentary. It's

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Speaker 1: what I call the brace Yourself moment, which you're a

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Speaker 1: with this stab from hell, this chord, well not even bad.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's probably easy patch, but like you know,

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Speaker 1: like Dirty Diana's and that, Like by this point, are

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Speaker 1: they telling you, Okay, Greg, every song on this album

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Speaker 1: we need.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, because that really wasn't me. That wasn't no

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Speaker 2: those amples he said it like with first of all,

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00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 2: I'm not on Dirty Diana. I'm not on that at all.

439
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: Another part of me. And actually I'm not on that either.

440
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: Speed Demon way you make me feel. I'm on the

441
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 2: way you make me feel. I'm not on Speed Demon. Unfortunately.

442
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 2: That's Jerry Hey, that's crazy Jerry Hay with those horns,

443
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: those horn and that's what made the song. You know that, Yes, yes,

444
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: that's that's that's Jerry had to get tied up for

445
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 2: that because you know, Michael was a little uh, you know,

446
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 2: slow on that and it was like quick. It was

447
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: like oh no, no, no, no, no no. There would be

448
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: no speed Demon without that the horn horns arrangement. So

449
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: you're gonna tighten up, Jerry, you know, but I am

450
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: on the way it made me feel. And my favorite

451
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: memory of that is, you know, because I played the

452
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 2: string parts.

453
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: Right.

454
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: So what I remember is doing that and having Michael

455
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: standing next to me going vibe women because I'm like,

456
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: he's like, next movie dude.

457
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: That was How big is this his snaps? Dude?

458
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: He had the big I know, he had these big

459
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: ass hands. And his snaps sound like claves, don't they? Yes,

460
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 2: because you think it's clove is on the bridge of

461
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: uh rock with You? Yeah, but it's not. No. And

462
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 2: when that's his fingers, it's his fingers.

463
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: Wait? Can I ask for Rock with You?

464
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: Yea? Who?

465
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: Well, I guess I should have asked Quincy instead. That

466
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: horn intro, oh, the one that got removed? Why did

467
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: they take that away? It doesn't make sense to me?

468
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: What is It's just there's a horn intro to Rock

469
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: with You that got me. Here's the thing that I

470
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: love about off the Wall. Well, I certainly remember that

471
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: I'll play for you off the record. Yeah, because Yeah,

472
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: the thing that I discovered about with Thrilling off the

473
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 1: Wall is that a lot of this stuff is I

474
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: can tell that at least what I assume the relationship

475
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: between Michael and Quincy is, let's try every idea out

476
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna trust me to pull this away

477
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: in this way and edit this and edit that. So

478
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: there are a lot of elements on those albums that

479
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: had they been there, oh god, it would have been

480
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: like the worst dated disco album of all time, or

481
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, that crazy one slight misstep. So I applaud

482
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: Quincy for knowing what the pool was, but that's his brilliance.

483
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: There's the moments of okay, so I'm thinking that you

484
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: were there on the ground floor of the horn intro

485
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: instead of just the naked.

486
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: No, because what I remember about that was Quincy saying

487
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: to they are I want to have a drum leg

488
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: that's gonna live in infamy. I want to have a

489
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: drum like that that that kids are gonna remember, you know,

490
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: one hundred years from now. And so he came over it.

491
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 3: That was that bad question. Please tell me that by

492
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 3: this time you went on the tour and you and

493
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 3: Ricky were back together.

494
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh absolutely yeah.

495
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,959
Speaker 1: Now did Ricky get that gig and non Jonathan Moffatt

496
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: because you were the empty.

497
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: Uh?

498
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: Because I thought like Jonathan would have been the tax

499
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: for life?

500
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah you think that.

501
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: So how did Ricky get it? Well, Ricky also had

502
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: the Victory tour, right.

503
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: No, no, that was Jonathan on the Victory Okay, Ricky

504
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: did bad and dangerous, But you did with Sheryl Crow.

505
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: Oh my what? And what were you three?

506
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: You mad woman's life?

507
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: Yes, you could have been more than five. Please. Okay,

508
00:29:55,080 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: so still I still have so you please? And so

509
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: I don't remember, to be honest, because even though you know,

510
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: he made me the m D and that whole process

511
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: was so weird, he there were other people hiring people,

512
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: so I didn't really hire everybody. So I I didn't

513
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: hire the whole band. I mean, there are certain people

514
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: that were chosen before I was even asked.

515
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: How did you present that show without the out of

516
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: the age of pro tools? You know, because.

517
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: Oh, oh well that's easy. We just had. We just

518
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: had like was it to at least two full blown

519
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: since clapt is damn and.

520
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: Back then that was.

521
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was like whatever by any means necessary.

522
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: I mean, the money was no object and so we

523
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: had like too full blown.

524
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean because that was vocals.

525
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: And and the the you know, the the extra tracks.

526
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely damn.

527
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: What was it like when Cheryl Croke came into the

528
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: picture for that tour? Like, what was what did she

529
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: bring to the table? Whiteness?

530
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: Because she wasn't the one with the lights in her hair?

531
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: No, No, that was Jennifer Adams. She she was the guitarist.

532
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: You know, you asked a very loaded questioned my friend okay,

533
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: uh this gig first, because no, she was after that

534
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: was excited, it dangerous. Cheryl did bad. I would say

535
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: that the thing that Cheryl brought them most of us

536
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: the silence.

537
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: The silence here is this a hot topic?

538
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: That something I said Steve.

539
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 3: The white person about single Uh No.

540
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: What she brought was a secret love affair.

541
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: Here in my god it oh.

542
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: Well between two people and I was the other one.

543
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: Oh oh, Greig cam like you can sniff. No, that

544
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: was Fante's question.

545
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: Would you got to say, Fanta, perfect question?

546
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: No, man, hey, listen, I guess you talking.

547
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: I guess you don't like that coming.

548
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 3: Well you missed.

549
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,959
Speaker 1: Wow, he's probably in the control room right now.

550
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: Wow, that's what happened.

551
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: Man.

552
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't good because I was married.

553
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 7: Ayah, he said, okay, how can you, okay, explain not

554
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 7: just the tour, darling.

555
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: I was explain that it wasn't just the name of

556
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: a tour.

557
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: How can how can one can one be a working musician,

558
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: uh and have domestic normalcy? I mean, if you're doing

559
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: the Michael Jackson Bad Tour, are you know what about

560
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: the kids at home for it? Not just you just

561
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: like the bass player or the lighting coordinator like you

562
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: guys were going from from eighty seven to the top

563
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: of January eighty nine.

564
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: No, understand, we rule the world. Understand that.

565
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: Yes, but.

566
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: We're girls flinging themselves over all of us, not over

567
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: all of us. And I was in that group. I

568
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: wasn't getting girls flung at me, you know, because a

569
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: lot of people just assume, oh my god, you must say,

570
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: had it shipping out of your ears? And I no, no,

571
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: it did not happen to me.

572
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: I didn't mean it from that perspective. But I just meant, like,

573
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: if you have a relationship at home, like if you're

574
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: your college professor, wife is at home.

575
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: It's very, very difficult and you better bring him out

576
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: at some point or like.

577
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: Would Michaelow like when he charged jet for families to

578
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: come and visit.

579
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: He didn't do that, but he did welcome families. He

580
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: was into that. And you know, several of us, including me,

581
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: brought our families out at different points. I mean, and

582
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 2: you know Michael, you know one of the singers Dori

583
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: and Holly brought his little nana and she spent a

584
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: lot of time on the road with us. And you

585
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: know Ricky brought his kids, uh and his wife, I

586
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: brought mine out. It was great in that way. Uh now,

587
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: well not in my case, and uh yeah, no, I

588
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: mean I remember when we when we we were in

589
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 2: Tokyo and uh he he arranged for us to all

590
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: go to Disneyland. We shut down the partment and it

591
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: was us. And you haven't lived until you've been to

592
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 2: Disneyland with the had Mickey. A matter of fact, I

593
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: used to call him Mickey and he would answer to

594
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 2: that too. But no, he it was great and so yes,

595
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: he loved uh you know, the family's uh hanging and

596
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: all that. But uh to answer the question. Yeah, you

597
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: needed to have You couldn't sustain a tour like that

598
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: and never see your spouse of your family at any point.

599
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: You had to have him join you.

600
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: Easier now with FaceTime and all that stuff. But it

601
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: is like going like it's a wrap like you.

602
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going, like you're doing you're in the military.

603
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: It's like you're you're gone.

604
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: We did not even ask behind the mask, Yeah, behind

605
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: the mask.

606
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 2: Yes, So I was working on my second solo album

607
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: while working on Yeah, while we were also doing.

608
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god, wait, we're just all over the place. Reminded.

609
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 5: Donald did right by you? Oh for Cancelor down.

610
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: Never mind?

611
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: No, no, well he he did basically, Yeah, he did well.

612
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: He did better than me than Michael did, that's for sure, right.

613
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,959
Speaker 1: Or did you do all night long?

614
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: And no? No, no, no, no here, let me give

615
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: you level. No, no, he actually did all night long

616
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 2: by himself. But I did uh level of find level,

617
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: find away and level conquer all and I thank you

618
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 2: very much a crazy video and and I did get

619
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 2: you know, credit and checks for that conquer Oh oh crap,

620
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 2: I can't remember her name right now. I see her

621
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: face and I can't remember her name. I always thought that.

622
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: Was his take on the Al Green song like that

623
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: was love of con Girl. Interesting, No, that's what it

624
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: sounds might sound like that.

625
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: Well I didn't because well, I tell you what, I

626
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: wasn't well, not really, because I wasn't. I wasn't thinking

627
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 2: of that. That wasn't God, that's interesting because I wasn't

628
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 2: thinking that at all. Oh well, okay, mar mar Marvia,

629
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: thank you, yes, Princess Mark well later.

630
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, because I keep getting hurt. Marva Hicks confused, Okay.

631
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: James Brown, right, that was Yeah, a lot of marvels.

632
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 2: When I see to join usteve.

633
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: Th miss it was you missed it. It was a

634
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 3: good news. It wasn't bad.

635
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: You'll hear that you playing that's good?

636
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

637
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: So uh yeah, so Lionel did you right right to

638
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: by me?

639
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: Okay?

640
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 5: This on his first solo album, right yeah, And that

641
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 5: was where I first saw your name four yeah, that's

642
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 5: crazy and.

643
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: Then left during the line of Richie portion and when

644
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: that's that's all you.

645
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 4: Live the first one, the first line of Richie you

646
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 4: are You're on that question.

647
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: The intro to you areious.

648
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: This right now? First of all, I'm not on that

649
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 2: but what what you said? It was like, it was like, okay,

650
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 2: if you don't come back, if you leave, But you

651
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: sound like that was.

652
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: Some kind of movie.

653
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: Was like the guy goes No. I was like an

654
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: s n L.

655
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah you know that he did. That was cool? That

656
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: show Okay, but yeah, serves you right? That was that

657
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: was mister.

658
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I wrote that with very mysterious John McLean. Yes,

659
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: oh wow, wow, so.

660
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god. There's some more John McClean credits that. Uh,

661
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: I've seen and I didn't think that was him. He

662
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: was a songwriter. First, Well we wait minute, I got

663
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: serves your Oh, I got a story about me and

664
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: John hit me?

665
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: Well, John, who I love dearly? Let me just start

666
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: out pressing that. Let me just say that right now.

667
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 2: I do love him, I really do. He's the kind

668
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: of guy that you'll never get to love because he

669
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: just doesn't allow it. But I love him. And we

670
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time together in seventy.

671
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: Nine.

672
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: In the early eighties, we spent a lot of time

673
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,959
Speaker 2: together and I had this dream, we had this dream

674
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 2: of forming a band that would that would be called

675
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 2: PM and never Yeah, it never happened. He's Detroit no,

676
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: it's from here. But we hooked up somehow, and and

677
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: he was the first guy that sounded like Prince before Prince.

678
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: That's how he played guitar. That John McLean yep man. Yeah,

679
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: that John McQueen.

680
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: Motherfucker.

681
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: Well if you do, you will win the ultimate prize.

682
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: We got him for him. It is.

683
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: We can't find him and you know what, sorry to say,

684
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: but you probably won't.

685
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, he's that mysterious. You know what, you can

686
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: google anybody on the planet. I say, I can't even

687
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: if he walked in right now. No, I've never seen

688
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: what imagine that he looks like Stony Jackson an old

689
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: picture of him.

690
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: No, bro's black guy. Damn. But don't you can't find him?

691
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: Wow? Damn. So he medinaized his way into the industry

692
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: as an executive the same way that Benny Medina was

693
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: a musician.

694
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's Benny Medina.

695
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: Lord.

696
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun. But no, actually, actually actually John was

697
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: a little more legitimate. But anyway, we need to greg,

698
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: you know, or maybe I'll just come up with my own.

699
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: I'll just do a couple of spots for you. But anyway,

700
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 2: don't write to check. You might be surprised anyway.

701
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: So, yes, y'all had a group called PM No.

702
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: We had a dream, we had the idea of a group,

703
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: but it never came to fruition.

704
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: What projects what? Okay, but you know we.

705
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: Did work on together what a TV series? Oh the

706
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 2: name of the producer scapes me right now. But the

707
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: show is called The Righteous Apples.

708
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, they did a cover of Let

709
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: It Go, but uh, let the Love out of Yr.

710
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: It was a Pages joint originally Richard Page The Joint,

711
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: and then they did a cover of it The Righteous Apples.

712
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: It was like they were like a high school yes

713
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 2: from I'm trying to think. I'm trying to think of

714
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: the name of the creator and the writer and I

715
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: can't for the life of me right now. Black guy

716
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: were he wore which you have glasses? He was with

717
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: the PBS thing and we we wrote and produced songs

718
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: for that show. Like yeah, as a matter of fact,

719
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the i m dB page.

720
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll just pretendue that's what.

721
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: Is there another song called it feels like the first.

722
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 5: Time It doesn't list just this one, okay, but yeah,

723
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 5: mm hmm, but yeah, we we did that and that

724
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 5: was the Crown.

725
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes he was. But John doesn't look.

726
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: Like stony and Ernest Thomas. Wow, isn't that crazy? Ernest

727
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: one thought I was Common's bodyguard.

728
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: That's hysterical.

729
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: That broke my heart.

730
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: Man, that's funny.

731
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Top, thank you, Tom on to do Mark Martin, Yeah,

732
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: thank you. Wow.

733
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: Yes, that was my introduction to Topper.

734
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: That was the first thing that you scored or like

735
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: for television.

736
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: I think it was the only thing.

737
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: Okay, So Michael Henderson was on Sorry, really he was

738
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: on an episode? Yeah he was. I guess just a

739
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: member of just as a member of the band that I.

740
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: Wouldn't call well, I guess you can call it a

741
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: drama sort of.

742
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: I guess Michael Henderson in what year eighty and eighty

743
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: one when the show was on cocaine, Michael Henderson last

744
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: time saying that ship down? Can you please break it down?

745
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of Michael Henderson's rant drunken rant

746
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: in Japan?

747
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: No?

748
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: Classic? Oh my god, best in life?

749
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 5: Just Google.

750
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm not breaking it down for nobody.

751
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: I'm not backing it up.

752
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Mayfield. They're trying to they're trying to kill

753
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: like he's just drunk and he's playing in front of

754
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: it feels like he's performing for audience at fourteen. And

755
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: you can hear people like because he's just spinning to

756
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: be Oh, you're gonna leave baby, Oh that's okay, that's

757
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: all right, people walking out, and he's.

758
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: Just like yourself, I'm what year is this?

759
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: It has to be eighty four?

760
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 2: Is not wasting any time?

761
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: It has to be eighty four. And like Norman, I

762
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: think Norman Conness is drumming, but he takes it's a

763
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: seven minute build up to sing going places. Yeah, and

764
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: when he's very special like I did, I was like, damn,

765
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: It's like he gets into the verse. Fo you realize

766
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: it's going places. Oh that's what he's says his son,

767
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: his son lives in Philly. And keep taking it off

768
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: of YouTube because I can't. I can't find it.

769
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 2: I got it.

770
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 8: I got that.

771
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: She ain't going nowhere. Have you ever seen the version

772
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: where they made a video to it? Stones throw Stone

773
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: like a animated It's the best thing on earth. Take

774
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: me on, motherfucking yours right, motherfucker. He goes in the

775
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 1: next song.

776
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 2: So this sounds better than Ray Charles's. It sounds better

777
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,479
Speaker 2: than Buddy Riches. It sounds better than.

778
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 6: They really heard that one past those really past those three.

779
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 6: They're cursing people out, but this is just like he's Ray.

780
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,959
Speaker 1: Which one is the Ray? Where is he cutting people

781
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: by that? Someone interrupts.

782
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: There's a scuffle between him and and the drummer. At

783
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: the time, I think it was not Bernard, but I

784
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: thought it was fat Head fad was yah fat It

785
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: was a sex player, but it was a scuffle between

786
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: him and the drummer, and the drummer walked off. That's

787
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 2: all right, No, no, no, it's all right. It went

788
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: It was okay.

789
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: There's he's doing busted. I have a version of him

790
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: doing busted. And then someone gets on the stage. It's

791
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: like you a doll, You a dog and raises like,

792
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: bless your heart, bless your heart. You were nothing but

793
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: a dirty doll.

794
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 3: Oh it's a woman.

795
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: She no a guy basically like Ray must have did

796
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: something wrong to a woman, either slept with his wife

797
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: or something. You ain't nothing but a doll, yea bless

798
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: your heart, because someone could someone please get this gentleman

799
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: off the states. Lease but a dirty doll. You were doll?

800
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: And then they take him off and then like you

801
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: hear him walking like crass cuts out. Yeah, and then

802
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: all listen like like nothing happened, but yes, it's it's

803
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: up there, but no, Michael.

804
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 3: Loses his ship.

805
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 2: That's so listen, Uh what I know you have a

806
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: billion of these? What three songs did you say no

807
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 2: to that you could have been on?

808
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: Like did you only stay in the Winter circle? Michael

809
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: Lionel three Stevie. The only example I have of that

810
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: is a song that I was originally asked to uh

811
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: over Debond piano, and.

812
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 2: I was very full of myself and I oh, I

813
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: went and did the session, but I mean I was

814
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: full of myself musically and I thought like whatever I

815
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: played would be great, and it wasn't because they just

816
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: wanted something. They just wanted the changes in the in

817
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: the rhythm that that that it was in it, and

818
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: I was I was overplaying. I overplayed, and I overplayed

819
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: my way out of the session. And I regret that

820
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 2: because I really love this song and it's one of

821
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 2: my favorites from George Benson is.

822
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: Turn Your Love?

823
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: How do You?

824
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: They just wanted you to play the piano line.

825
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: They just wanted Dunn. But I was playing I was

826
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: playing dumn.

827
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 3: I was just.

828
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: Overplaying, you know, And and I ask you to just

829
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 2: play simple. I guess they just said, well, it's not okay, thanks,

830
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: And then the next thing, I know, somebody else was

831
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 2: on it. But so yeah, but I remember being asked

832
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: to play on it, but I just I didn't. I

833
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 2: didn't play it right, you know, And I could have.

834
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 2: And I even at that point, I was definitely more

835
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: trained because of all the other years of doing sessions,

836
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 2: and I just should have known better, but I overplayed.

837
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: Were formally were you formally trained how to play me?

838
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about that. Were you formally like you know,

839
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: how to read? Or just yeah, I know.

840
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 2: I started playing by your at well, my mom says,

841
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: legend has it too. I started playing by her at

842
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 2: around two. But then I started taking lessons at around six.

843
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 2: And so I did have formal training. And my I

844
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 2: had three teachers. And the third one was the most

845
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 2: influential and the most effective. And he was the pianist

846
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: with the Detroit Symphony Orchestra. And his name was Misha Cotler,

847
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 2: and he was a badass. He didn't take any mess

848
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 2: and and and you know, I needed discipline because I

849
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: was running over my last teacher because I thought I

850
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: was hot, snot knew everything. And he I left his

851
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: his house crying many times because he just he was

852
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: this Russian, you know, like Polish, and he was, you know,

853
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: very strict and took no mess, you know. But it's

854
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: the discipline I needed.

855
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: Did Luca Third produce that quinin.

856
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 2: He Actually I think he might have been one of

857
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 2: the producers. I think I'm not sure, but but it

858
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: wasn't Quincy though.

859
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: No. Okay, okay, okay, okay. What what if you played

860
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: on that we might not know? Like did turn your

861
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: liver room? Thank you? Really? Yeah? Wow? So weird?

862
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 2: What if I played on? And this is a hard

863
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: question for you because you know everything?

864
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, did you suffer?

865
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 3: You know?

866
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: Are you on the heat is on? By Glenn fry

867
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: or I can't tell you why.

868
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: I wish that's really play? Yeah, no, I can't even

869
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: think of anything that is that for real?

870
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 5: A float or this guy is lying to me right now,

871
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 5: I did a floater? Lying, I don't, I didn't they

872
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 5: gave you credit? Oh okay, thanks, wait a minute. Oh

873
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 5: I'm so glad this came to me. It's gonna kill me. Uh,

874
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 5: I gotta go back to Triumph. Okay, explain you said

875
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 5: this to me once and I didn't know. Okay, so

876
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 5: uh helped me out here guys Dela Light Works there, Okay,

877
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 5: on your ways on Triumph.

878
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask about that actually, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

879
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: you said, was that the exact What's going on? Like?

880
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about that, but I know that

881
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 2: the instrument used was i'm alotron? Yeah, but the same one.

882
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 2: Did you tell me that that was the same exact

883
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 2: one that Marmon used on.

884
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: What's going On?

885
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: Oh? I don't think so I couldn't possibly.

886
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 1: Know that, Okay, No, but I know someone told me. Okay,

887
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: someone said it like that, either something like Marvin Heady

888
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: or that Barry headed especially made well yeah, and that

889
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: Barry had U do you know this story of Motown

890
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: that Raymond Scott had built, had convinced Barry Gordy to

891
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: purchase two of his his version of Tanto and this,

892
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: and he ordered two of them, and then I think

893
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: mid second one, they just discontinued the production. He was like, no,

894
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: never mind, what year was this? Seventy sixty?

895
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 2: Because I'm wondering if these instruments that you're talking about,

896
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: if they were used in these incredible ways for songs

897
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 2: like Reflections, because I I defy anybody to tell me

898
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 2: what the hell that sound is in the opening.

899
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: Whatever that is?

900
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: So and then they then they used something else later on,

901
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 2: like what you know in these random places in the song,

902
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 2: which is brilliant, but I have no idea what it

903
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: is here.

904
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: It is, okay, so yeah. In nineteen sixty nine, Barrigordy

905
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: tipped off about a map musical scientists engage the mysterious works.

906
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:13,959
Speaker 2: Wow.

907
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: Visited Scott at his Long Island lab to witness the

908
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: electronium that's what he called.

909
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: It, electronium Wow yeah, and all of its infinitous possibilities.

910
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: And Gordy hired Scott in seventy one to serve as

911
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: director of Motown's electronic music and research departments. Wow wow Oh,

912
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: position Scott held until nineteen seventy seven. Really wow. No

913
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: Motown recordings using Scott's electronic inventions have been publicly identified.

914
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: Oh sad as that, but yeah, he originally someone says

915
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: that he originally started working on the electronium out of

916
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: Barry's house. They set up a room over the garages

917
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: and he worked there putting stuff together so Barry could

918
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 1: get involved and see the progress, and at one point

919
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: worked out of the Studiou unit never got finalized, and

920
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: Ray had a real problem letting go.

921
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 3: Uh.

922
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: It was always being developed and that was the problem

923
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: for Barry.

924
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 2: You know what, what do you think it probably sounded

925
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 2: like crap, it's a waste of seven thousand? What do

926
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 2: you think it probably just wasn't good?

927
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh? Do you have a we are the world question? Steve? Yeah?

928
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 4: I mean I didn't even put it together in my

929
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 4: head that that that was you on that just you know,

930
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 4: is your name on the cover of that forty five?

931
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 2: Like no, not, no, that's just the artist. But I

932
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: did play piano on it.

933
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 4: The artist is one of the artists.

934
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: Then what happened there?

935
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't No, it's not on the cover. No, no, no, no, no, no.

936
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 3: Every since you walked out, I don't know what. Hey,

937
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 3: great was the artist and maybe it's the same person,

938
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 3: But who was the artist that that you really ran

939
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 3: to the studio outside of, of course Stevie Jackson's finel

940
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 3: that you ran to the studio to work with because

941
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 3: you were so excited, and who was the artist that

942
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 3: you ran on tour to be with me?

943
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: Nobody excited?

944
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: Is anybody?

945
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: Well?

946
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: As far as touring, you know, there was a time

947
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 2: when I toured with a Beatle, which one, nope, this

948
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 2: this this other guy that I was touring with. I

949
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 2: was in his band, and we already had a set

950
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 2: thing going. And then uh, that artist managed to convince

951
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 2: George to tour with us, and he said, you can

952
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: use my band, and so it was the Eric Clapton

953
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: and George Harrison tour of Japan. And you haven't lived

954
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 2: until you've toured with a Beatle. Jesus, it didn't suck.

955
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 2: And we go to here's a crazy thing. We go

956
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: to Tokyo and of course George was absolutely lovely, beautiful

957
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: human being. We go to Tokyo and we're all we're

958
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 2: all terribly excited, and we were in the hotel it's

959
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: called the Capitol Tokyo Hotel. We're in George's room. TV's

960
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 2: on and they're playing footage. I mean they're they're announcing

961
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 2: obviously the George is in town, but they're playing footage

962
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 2: of when the Beatles pulled up to the exact same

963
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: hotel we're staying in. So now I'm in a room.

964
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 2: I'm in a suite with a Beatle, watching footage of

965
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: when his band pulled up to the same hotel we're in, Like, okay,

966
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 2: just kind of take this in and so we toured around.

967
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: It was great.

968
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 2: And then and then another George story, which I always

969
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: love to tell. It was the second time I went

970
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 2: to visit him at his home and he opens the

971
00:57:55,240 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: door and he's He's in corn Rows, George. George, Yeah, okay,

972
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 2: he opened the door and I go, well, I didn't

973
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 2: see this coming, George, what do you think? I said,

974
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: First of all, how did you get your hair in Cornrows?

975
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 2: How did that work? But he was in cornera I

976
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: wish I took a picture of him. But so we're

977
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 2: hanging out and then he goes, do you want to

978
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 2: hear the new song? Then I go, okay. We go

979
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 2: up to the bedroom, plays the thing, and I got

980
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 2: my private world premiere of Free Wow as a Bird,

981
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 2: And I'm sitting there and I'm absolutely transfixed and mesmerized.

982
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: I can't believe that I'm, first of all, sitting in

983
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 2: the bedroom of a beatle listening to the last song

984
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 2: all the Beatles did. And I'm sitting there and chills

985
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: are running up and down my SPI. First of all,

986
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 2: I'm getting hills even talking about this right now. But

987
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there and I'm just trying to take all

988
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 2: this and I'm going I went.

989
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: Around with George Harrison.

990
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't believe.

991
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 5: This is right now.

992
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: But sham okay.

993
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 3: On the heels of that question, you also you also

994
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 3: m DD a lot of specials and award shows. What

995
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 3: was your what was one of your favorite experiences with that?

996
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: Ps?

997
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed watching because you're always.

998
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: So in me.

999
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1000
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: Well, where's your first one that you did? Like your

1001
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: first awards that you.

1002
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I don't know the first awards show

1003
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:44,919
Speaker 2: that I am? Indeed, wow, I I don't know. I'd

1004
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: have to research that. I don't.

1005
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: Damn so Ricky Minor wasn't born with that, but times

1006
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: and he.

1007
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 2: Just okay, here you go, thank you. But no, uh no,

1008
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 2: I don't remember. But I'll tell you what the pretty

1009
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: much the best one was. It was based off of

1010
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 2: how I got started?

1011
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 3: Mm hm, the Jackson special. No, he's how you got

1012
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 3: started started?

1013
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: I was thinking of the Detroit Symphony thing. Uh Stevie.

1014
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 2: In the Key of Life. It was a Grammy tribute.

1015
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 2: I am dated, that's anyone. So that's why that's the

1016
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 2: best one.

1017
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,439
Speaker 1: Ah, so you're a g an egg. Yeah.

1018
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 2: So the second best one is probably the Jackson's thirtieth

1019
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 2: Anniversary in the Garden, because I mean, this is the

1020
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 2: Jackson's thirty Anniversary in the Garden.

1021
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, question, yeah, since that night was

1022
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: so vivid. That day after it was so memorable. By

1023
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: the way, this was based off of because we did

1024
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: two shows. I know, I'm going to ask you about

1025
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: that second show. Okay, how did you get out of

1026
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: New York City? Right?

1027
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't by plane.

1028
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1029
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: First of all, nothing was happening the day, the day of,

1030
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 2: or the day after.

1031
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: We might want to tell everybody what that day was.

1032
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 2: It was September eleventh, two thousand and one, and that

1033
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 2: was after the second show, which was September tenth, and

1034
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 2: the first show, which was the eighth, because there was

1035
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 2: a break in between, I think because of the circus.

1036
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,439
Speaker 2: But the first show was September eighth, the second show

1037
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 2: was September tenth, and I remember after that show, just

1038
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 2: you know, having more of a private celebration, you know,

1039
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 2: dinner with a buddy of mine at the time, and

1040
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 2: had like, you know, just kind of a celebratory dinner

1041
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 2: and everything was great. And then my wife at the

1042
01:01:53,920 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 2: time the next morning, you know, we slept in because

1043
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 2: you know, we had such a great night, so we

1044
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 2: slept in late. And I had this plan. I had

1045
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 2: two plans that I wanted to do. I wanted to

1046
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 2: go to Central Park and take my wife on a

1047
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 2: canoe ride. And I also wanted to go to my

1048
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 2: favorite place, my favorite restaurant for lunch, which is a

1049
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 2: restaurant called La bill Bouquet. And so I called the

1050
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 2: restaurant after I woke up, because I wanted to make reservations.

1051
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 2: I called and said, yeah, what's going on?

1052
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: Ago?

1053
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 2: I said, I'd like to, you know, come to the

1054
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 2: to the spot today and the person said, today's not

1055
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 2: a good day. Said why it's not a good Day's

1056
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 2: people are crying, it's terrible, It's it's not a good day.

1057
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 2: I go, what are you talking about. The person went,

1058
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 2: have you seen the news? Go No, said you might

1059
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 2: want to turn the TV on right now. That's how

1060
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 2: we found out, damn. And then after the initial shock,

1061
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 2: which took a long time to get over it, and

1062
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: we started smelling smoke. And by the way I was staying,

1063
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 2: I was staying at the plaza Athenae Way way uptown,

1064
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,439
Speaker 2: and you could smell the smoke there.

1065
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: Damn.

1066
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 2: The producer of the show, David Guest, was very good

1067
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 2: to me though, because he let me stay at the

1068
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 2: plaza until the end of the week or until I

1069
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 2: could get away out. And so what happened was we

1070
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 2: kept trying by flights and it was very, very very difficult.

1071
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 2: Free to pain I remember was one of the lucky ones.

1072
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 2: She got out on the plane. Came to find out.

1073
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 2: Came to find out later on that Michael uh that

1074
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 2: car ride with yeah, he went that was real.

1075
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: He did that.

1076
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 2: But I didn't know how the cross country with Elizabeth

1077
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 2: Taylor and I watched his name Marlon Yeah, yeah, I

1078
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 2: don't know, yeah, because I didn't. I didn't know that

1079
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 2: at the time, and I didn't know how the rest

1080
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 2: of the brothers made out. I didn't know how anybody

1081
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 2: else got out, but me and my wife at that time,

1082
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 2: we we couldn't get up playing out, so we just

1083
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 2: decided at the end of that week, that Saturday, that

1084
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 2: we'd run a car, so we drove over to we

1085
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 2: got we went over to Jersey and got a hurt

1086
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 2: sprint a car, and we drove cross country and it

1087
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 2: was part of like a mini mini cavalcade because Cheryl

1088
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 2: Lynn was with us, Yeah, and and strange, Yeah, she

1089
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 2: and her cousin or her manager. Actually we we didn't draw,

1090
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 2: we didn't drive all together, but we drove, like you know,

1091
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 2: in in separate cars. And we drove cross country all

1092
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 2: the way back, and we stopped in Saint Louis, where

1093
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 2: her manager's mom lived, and it was a Saint Louis,

1094
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it was Saint Louis. We stopped there

1095
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 2: and we made a couple of other steps and we

1096
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 2: drove all the way. And that was the first and

1097
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: only time I drove a cross country and I never

1098
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 2: imagined it would be for that reason. Ship that's crazy,

1099
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 2: no traffic, no track, it was. It was eerily calm

1100
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 2: and still there's no traffic. And I remember hearing them

1101
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 2: play this particular song a lot during a cross country riding.

1102
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 2: It was a song by Nya.

1103
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: No that is not the right like that for two weeks. No,

1104
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: they only played like imagine there was a whole no

1105
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: no songs or the no playlist. Yeah, which is why,

1106
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: which is why I ode on the blueprint. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1107
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: it's man. Can you do you remember you remember? Can

1108
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: you take us through where you were when you got

1109
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: the dues about Mike?

1110
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 2: Yes. I was in Beverly Hills and I was I

1111
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 2: just dropped off a watch to get repaired, and my

1112
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 2: wife at that time called me and said, did you

1113
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 2: hear about Michael? I go, what are you talking about?

1114
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 2: I heard the news and I just knew. I was

1115
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: in shock, you know, I I it was just you know,

1116
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 2: and yet I wasn't, you know. And what I really

1117
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 2: remember after that is going through the preparations with Brandy,

1118
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 2: because Randy brought me in and he wanted me to

1119
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 2: help out with the with the memorial. And then we

1120
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 2: we had a meeting at Kenerle's house, Randy Ken and

1121
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 2: I and we started talking things, you know, talking things

1122
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 2: through and you know, artists and so forth. And I

1123
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 2: remember thinking, well, it would be really nice if Steve

1124
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: saying I never dreamed bed leave in summer, uh, which

1125
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 2: was which was deeply poetic because he did leave us

1126
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 2: in summer, and I remember going to I remember having

1127
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,439
Speaker 2: private meetings, you know, with Randy, and I remember going

1128
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 2: down to l A Live and it was the only

1129
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 2: time that I was in the l A Live executive building,

1130
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 2: you know, where all the offices were, and I remember

1131
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 2: having we were we had this meeting with Randy and

1132
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 2: ken and uh uh uh Simon what's Simon's first name?

1133
01:07:59,800 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 4: Uh?

1134
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 2: Who No, as Sideman, He's Sideman, He's he's the Uh,

1135
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 2: he's the uh he basically runs he basically runs LA Live,

1136
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 2: Staples Center and Microsoft Center. Uh Lee Lee Seidman.

1137
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: And uh.

1138
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 2: Lywickie wasn't there at that time, I don't think, but

1139
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 2: there were other executives and we we you know, they were.

1140
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 2: We were discussing everything, like, you know, how many tickets

1141
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 2: for family, how many tickets for VP, He's all this

1142
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,759
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, everything, you know. And then I remember

1143
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 2: meeting it at Staples with the brothers in a backstage

1144
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 2: room and it was me and the brothers, Kenner like

1145
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 2: Valdez Flag legendary stage manager, and maybe one other person

1146
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 2: and we were just all sitting there and at different points,

1147
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 2: you know, one of the brothers would cry it was

1148
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: really really heavy. And I remember also taking the walk

1149
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 2: through the underground tunnel from Staples to what is now

1150
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 2: Microsoft Center, because there's this underground tunnel that connects the

1151
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 2: two because it was built that way for you know,

1152
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 2: just as a cool thing for any artists that want

1153
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 2: to do double duty or whatever, easy access, you know.

1154
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 2: And so we walked this underground tunnel from Staples to

1155
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 2: it was a different name then, but whatever. But so

1156
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:36,799
Speaker 2: we go there, and that was designed for the family

1157
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:43,600
Speaker 2: to leave Staples to go to Microsoft Center for the

1158
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 2: overflow of people who couldn't get in the Staples, and

1159
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 2: it was designed for so the family was going to go.

1160
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 2: The original idea was that the family was going to

1161
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 2: go and thank them. But they didn't do it.

1162
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: They didn't do it.

1163
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 2: We did a practice walk, but after it actually happened,

1164
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 2: they didn't do it. They they didn't do it because

1165
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 2: it was it was like enough for really you know,

1166
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, with everything that went on and

1167
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 2: and uh so, yeah, it was very heavy, and I

1168
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 2: remember I remember having a very very private moment with

1169
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 2: Marlon at Havenhurst and him, you know, we talked and

1170
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 2: and you know, he cried on my shoulder. You know,

1171
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 2: very very difficult. But uh, you know, but I also remember,

1172
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 2: you know at Staples when we were there going through things,

1173
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 2: that Barry came over and we we we all took

1174
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 2: pictures together, Barry and the brothers and me and just

1175
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:48,799
Speaker 2: all kinds of memories.

1176
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: You know, how can one how could one be creative

1177
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: in a time like that, because you know, you have

1178
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: to go with arrangements and okay, all right, what key

1179
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: do you want to sing in? And D D D

1180
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: and you know, call up musicians and background sound check

1181
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: and you know.

1182
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 2: What you just do you just do man. I mean,

1183
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 2: you know one thing Earl is really good at is

1184
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 2: just forging through no matter what, because he's had to

1185
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 2: in all kinds he's had, He's been hit with all

1186
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 2: kinds of last minute things like you know, uh, they

1187
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,520
Speaker 2: were rehearsing the grass like the day of the Grammy

1188
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 2: thing where Chris God Jesus, I think I was, I know,

1189
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 2: I was there. I was there. You talk about you

1190
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 2: talk about having a chance on the fly and.

1191
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 3: What what was it?

1192
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 1: What the backstory was that the Chris Brown Rihanna thing

1193
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: just happened and that was the year they decided to

1194
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: let artists double up on things. So Timberlake had like

1195
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: two or three songs, and Chris Brown had two or

1196
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: three songs, and Rihanna had two or three songs, and

1197
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: it was gonna be like the first mashup thing of

1198
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: duets and multiple songs. But without Chris Brown Rihanna, they

1199
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: there was like space for five songs and I never

1200
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 1: two things happened that day, which is the most surreal

1201
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,560
Speaker 1: ship I've ever seen in my life. One Early and

1202
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: his whole crew literally now it's about let's say it

1203
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 1: in hour fifteen minutes until they realized that Brown and

1204
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 1: Rihanna are no show.

1205
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 2: So they're just scouring up the scramming voice of men.

1206
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: Can you sing Let's say together?

1207
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 2: Al Green? No, no, no, They're just grabbing people from

1208
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 2: the audience like this.

1209
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: We need we need a four minute song. That so

1210
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 1: that whole thing of like, uh, boys to the men

1211
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: singing Let's stay together. Yeah, none of that ship was

1212
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 1: playing the amperstitionous thing with Stevie Wonder with the Jonas

1213
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: brothers jon brother No. But wait here's the other funny thing. So, uh,

1214
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:55,680
Speaker 1: the the the Coldplay controversy with Joe Satriani. Oh yeah,

1215
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: where they hit Jack the Viva Levito. So they've been

1216
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: and running away from getting their summons from Satriani's people

1217
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,560
Speaker 1: for like two months. So he had a plan. He

1218
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 1: had a plan. He's like, Yo, I'm gonna get them

1219
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: motherfuckers at the Grammys. When I tell you you remember

1220
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 1: them old Keystone Caper things were like you watch the

1221
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 1: The Cops, That's exactly what happened. So you had the

1222
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 1: people running this way to serve the papers and then

1223
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 1: Coldplay running this way, and then it was like you

1224
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: could have put the flight of the Bumble beat to

1225
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: the Ship saw just just in the top it. Oh god,

1226
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 1: I don't know if I should no, just no, I said,

1227
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 1: all my stuff, it's just the end of the night.

1228
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,600
Speaker 1: You know, like artists are like very think of like

1229
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: a cat, like an oasis. You know, this guy's like,

1230
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: I don't care about the Grammys. That's sort of thing.

1231
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: But uh, Tom ne Yorke took losing the cold Play

1232
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 1: very very hard and how hard a very emotional way.

1233
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 1: So just that was the most surreal, dang. But to

1234
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 1: see yeah, literally between Erlic just scrambling for people to

1235
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: sing Ship and cold Play and Satriani's h I had

1236
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: no idea that it was going.

1237
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 5: It was the funniest day of my life. Wow, it

1238
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 5: was funny. I'm glad somebody would have had something to

1239
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 5: laugh about that day.

1240
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 1: Well, did the thing was? We didn't? No, no, no,

1241
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 1: I know you didn't know what was happening. Yeah. It's

1242
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: sort of like being in the New York doing the

1243
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 1: blackout right Like in Detroit, I saw y'all. I knew

1244
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: y'all in the blackout, but I don't think y'all really

1245
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: knew because there was no TV to turn on to see.

1246
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: Pridy could say, we couldn't write.

1247
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 2: You could be told you were in a blackout.

1248
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: But it was just like, oh we heard like Rihanna's

1249
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: not coming, Like we didn't until I got home. Then

1250
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: we saw oh ship that happened?

1251
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah that was sort of the thing.

1252
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 1: Wow. So, uh, did we cover everything in your life? No?

1253
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 2: Not even close, like the whole part two?

1254
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is already.

1255
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 3: Signs and movies and ship.

1256
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 1: You did score.

1257
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 2: I didn't score it.

1258
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 1: I did.

1259
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:31,839
Speaker 2: Actually I just did one thing, okay for a female

1260
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 2: artist who the girl who did Private Joy Shane Shane. Yeah, yeah,

1261
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 2: and I sang the demo.

1262
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: Produced by Jimmy Iovien. Wow, Oh that's right.

1263
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 2: Where somebody asked me to do somebody asked me to

1264
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 2: do that, you know, produce that thing for that girl.

1265
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 2: So I did that. Did Private Joy in.

1266
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 3: The Street to fire? Were you in the band?

1267
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 2: No? No, I was in another movie, ding movie, the

1268
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 2: only my only this is it my only movie day?

1269
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,600
Speaker 2: But I didn't do this is it?

1270
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: Because Michael you're right, You're right. Sorry, Okay, I was young.

1271
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 2: Say but you haven't lived until you've been directed by

1272
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:23,600
Speaker 2: Steven Spielberg.

1273
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 1: Thank you? What movie.

1274
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 2: You would be a player?

1275
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 1: We got to I was in Next in the Color

1276
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: Purple as well. I was six baby.

1277
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 6: Kids.

1278
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 2: I was one of the kids.

1279
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 1: The scene where the scene where she's hanging up closed,

1280
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: she's saying, no, you gotta fight, you gotta what Ceeli

1281
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: and Neddie are talking and so then like a kid

1282
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: comes and runs through the sheet and she's like, y'all

1283
01:16:56,040 --> 01:17:00,080
Speaker 1: get on the way from you. I was ya, you

1284
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 1: got our shooting vituals.

1285
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 4: But you're not going to believe this.

1286
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:13,560
Speaker 8: But also, yeah, man, exactly, you were the kid, and

1287
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 8: you were you were the kid. You were the one

1288
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 8: of the kids of the owner of the general store.

1289
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 2: By some girl.

1290
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: Yeah you g but guess what though, guess what, that's

1291
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:34,759
Speaker 1: not even my voice. I want that? Wait wait, I couldn't.

1292
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 2: But I did say it. Yeah, I did say it,

1293
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 2: but in the final and over, I guess it wasn't

1294
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:42,640
Speaker 2: loud enough, so they had they had somebody else go well,

1295
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 2: but I did. That's me playing wow and that hysterical.

1296
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 2: So if you want a really good laugh, whipped that

1297
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 2: out one night, you'll crack up. Yeah, gotta you laugh

1298
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 2: yourself silly.

1299
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 1: Wait.

1300
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:02,560
Speaker 2: Great, But that's how I met Oprah. Ah what And

1301
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 2: that's how I met uh Danny, And that's how I

1302
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 2: met the cast of wacky characters. And yeah wait, oh

1303
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 2: there's another thing that I did that I'm very proud

1304
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 2: of that you probably didn't know I did. Thanks to

1305
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 2: Ken Irlic Oprahs final two shows, Thank you man? Wait?

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Speaker 1: What were her final two shows?

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Speaker 2: An extraaganza with every star you've ever heard of in

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Speaker 2: your entire life, in the entire galaxy that digit's ever interviewed.

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Speaker 2: They came out, oh to say goodbye? And yeah that's stuff.

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Speaker 1: So what musical moment? Who who was the last you? Indeed?

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Speaker 1: Whatever the musical moment was? Oh, I indeed the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: So who was the last person.

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Speaker 2: I don't know who the last person was, but but

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Speaker 2: probably my favorite segment was when we when were surprised

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Speaker 2: it with Steve, because what happened was the setup Wash

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Speaker 2: Jamie mm hmm, you know went to her and started,

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Speaker 2: you know, talking all his smack and everything, and he's

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Speaker 2: he he would he started, isn't she lovely?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: So he started it. So we did a slow version

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Speaker 2: and that's me playing with him and everything, and then

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Speaker 2: we we I do some some chord changes, you know,

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Speaker 2: some different courts to set up into the original key

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Speaker 2: of isn't she lovely? For Steve to rise out of

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Speaker 2: the floor on a panel is love and she turns around.

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Speaker 1: Wait, I gotta ask, do you have you ever had

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Speaker 1: as an m d uh a Murphy's Law moment for you?

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Speaker 2: Everything can go on.

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Speaker 1: I don't like, as a sequencer ever not worked on

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Speaker 1: you know when jam is on at the intro, you know,

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Speaker 1: did you miss a if you can't feed your baby

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Speaker 1: Q or that freeze or want to be starting something or.

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Speaker 2: Oh I we probably did. We probably had some you

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Speaker 2: mean doing the Bad Tour? Well, yeah, I mean just

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Speaker 2: in general general not not yeah, probably, but not to

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Speaker 2: not anything that just stands out to gregor, Oh, you

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Speaker 2: won't believe this. So I'm sure they happened, but they

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Speaker 2: were mercifully far and few between.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well great.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: I really do want to know what you played on

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Speaker 4: the other world, like what instruments that.

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Speaker 2: You Oh this piano, played piano and there's the piano too, right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but well and to your point, yes, and he co

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Speaker 2: wrote the song, but no, he he doesn't need to

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Speaker 2: play it. He's one of the featured artists, so he

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Speaker 2: doesn't need So they had they have other sense and

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Speaker 2: stuff that. Oh yeah, so Quincy had a few of us.

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Speaker 2: It was me, David Page and I think, and there

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Speaker 2: was one other one I can't remember who. They're gonna

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Speaker 2: kill me thout, but but I played piano. Page played

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Speaker 2: you know, electric piano, I thing or other instruments. And

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Speaker 2: there was a third keyboarders as well. So there were

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Speaker 2: much of this no, well just other sense, not strings.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so there were I'm pretty sure three keyboard

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Speaker 2: players and I did the piano. Thank you, thank you well,

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Speaker 2: brother Greg Amir.

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Speaker 1: You you gave us dog, you brought it. You brought

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Speaker 1: the stories, you brought, the dramas, you brought the listen.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what, but it takes someone as nerdy

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Speaker 2: and as knowledgeable as you are and your fine team.

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Speaker 2: Let me just say right now, you guys are really wonderful,

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Speaker 2: even Steve. Okay, okay, I getly function.

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Speaker 1: That's all I know.

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Speaker 2: I get it, and I have to pee right now.

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Speaker 2: But I must say I had no idea that I

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Speaker 2: would be here for over three hours, but like I

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Speaker 2: have enjoyed every second of it felt like three minutes.

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Speaker 2: And blessings to you all and.

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Speaker 1: To just thank you for you, just for all your contributions,

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Speaker 1: all your music, just for raising all of us. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you on behalf of Sugar Steve and I'm paid well,

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Speaker 1: well he's not here on behalf of Sugar Steve and

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Speaker 1: Boss Bill and Fantiicolo and Laiah. Yeah, I'd like to

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Speaker 1: say thank you Greg again. This is Quest Love Course

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Speaker 1: Love Supreme and we will see you on the Mexico

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Speaker 1: Round only on Pandora. Quest Love Supreme is a production

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