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Speaker 1: And then what I ended up doing, UM, I guess

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Speaker 1: Senate you have to file a financial disclosure for a

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Speaker 1: purchase over a thousand dollars. So I filed that financial disclosure.

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Speaker 1: And you know, usually those financial disclosures don't you know,

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Speaker 1: don't get a whole lot of attention. It actually fascinating, Michael.

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Speaker 1: When I filed the financial disclosure, it generated a ton

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Speaker 1: I believe in it, and that's that's that's why I

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Speaker 1: invested in it. But but I think we ought to

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Speaker 1: be encouraging. I want cryptocurrency. I want America to be

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Speaker 1: the hub of cryptocurrency globally, and frankly, I want Texas

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Speaker 1: have been convinced by you and by other I mean

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Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan's favorite economist, George Gilder was really bullish on

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Speaker 1: blockchain technology years ago even and said this is kind

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Speaker 1: I'm convinced on here now is that this would be

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Speaker 1: way to avoid even the control of private businesses that

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Speaker 1: are often working at the behest of the government. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: But then my final question to you is this if

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Speaker 1: private businesses and build your own Google and all of that,

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Speaker 1: and that hasn't worked. We saw it with the truckers,

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Speaker 1: we're seeing with Rogan two. What is to stop them

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Speaker 1: from clamping down on bitcoin. You've already heard rumblings out

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Speaker 1: of the government. What is the likelihood that Biden does that?

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Speaker 1: So look, they may well, and I am quite concerned

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Speaker 1: about it. This ad illustration could kill crypto. When I

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Speaker 1: little bit utopian that they have a view that that

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Speaker 1: that that we are inevitable, that that that bitcoin is

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Speaker 1: inherently superior to all other forms of money. I will

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Speaker 1: say one of the things I like about it is

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Speaker 1: it's a potential hedge against inflation. And given this administration

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Speaker 1: in the hedge in inflation as they're devaluing the dollar,

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Speaker 1: and so I like bitcoin as a hedge against inflation.

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Speaker 1: But the point I made at this conference is you

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Speaker 1: many of you all have heard of napster Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: And I think Bitcoin is actually where Silicon Valley was

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Speaker 1: what they did, which is to go down the socialist

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Speaker 1: wrong choice. I think Bitcoin and crypto more generally is

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Speaker 1: at that same fork in the road. I hope that

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Speaker 1: small business leave us alone, let us be entrepreneurs. You know,

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Speaker 1: that is really potent, So I'm trying to encourage it.

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Speaker 1: But absolutely there is a very real and potent threat

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Speaker 1: that they will try to destroy it. And I'm going

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Speaker 1: to fight against that because I think it is a huge,

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Speaker 1: huge industry going forward, and I don't want to see

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Speaker 1: the idiot politicians in Washington drive it out of America

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Speaker 1: and send it overseas. It won't disappear, But Washington is

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Speaker 1: perfectly capable of sending the jobs overseas and sending sending

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Speaker 1: that business overseas. I think that would be catastrophic, right,

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Speaker 1: And it's especially at a moment where we're dissent against

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Speaker 1: where people are genuinely persecuted for it. Yes, we have

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Speaker 1: to wield what political power we can. Yes, we need

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Speaker 1: there were an instrument of technology really to be able

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Speaker 1: to exercise our rights in our way of life, that's

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Speaker 1: something very hopeful, and so I hope that we can

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Speaker 1: maintain it. We unfortunately so far, are not accepting bitcoin

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Speaker 1: in the Verdict store, but I think we really should.

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Speaker 1: I think that would be a great way to do it. So, Michael,

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Speaker 1: I've actually introduced legislation in Congress to have the Congressional

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Speaker 1: By the way, in El Salvador, I spoke with the

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Speaker 1: is Bitcoin has all sorts of potential, particularly in developing economy,

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Speaker 1: for people to have secure savings. You may not have

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Speaker 1: secure savings that can't be stolen from you. It can

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Speaker 1: also is secure instantaneous transactions. You can transfer it, buy

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Speaker 1: and sell. You know, they're massive inefficiencies right now, and

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Speaker 1: and so it is a generation skipping technology which is potent,

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Speaker 1: and that's one of the reasons. So I've introduced legislation

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Speaker 1: And I've also, as I said, I think the Congressional

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Speaker 1: is good for developing economies, because if Joe Biden's policies

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Speaker 1: continue to destroy our dollar and our jobs, we may

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Speaker 1: soon be a developing economy ourselves. Now we have more.

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Speaker 1: Just when you think it's over, there is still more.

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Speaker 1: Michael Hi? Senator Yes, and Michael, you and I joke.

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Speaker 1: Liz Wheeler. This is Cloakroom on Verdict plus. Senator. We

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Speaker 1: have a great episode plans today, So let's start with

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Speaker 1: this photograph. This is the photograph curd round the country,

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Speaker 1: if you will. It is, of course, Stacy Abrams, gubernatorial

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Speaker 1: my question to you, leg I said, is purely political.

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Speaker 1: Is this photograph going to be the reason that she

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Speaker 1: They saw nothing wrong with it. And then suddenly the

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Speaker 1: the substance. Also, a campaign put out a statement that well,

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Speaker 1: took hers off briefly. Well, okay, so that doesn't make

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I think it's much better. The

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Speaker 1: the picture. They had a picture of Stacy Abrams like

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Speaker 1: out on the campaign trail smiling. The Washington Post very

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Speaker 1: deliberately wouldn't show the picture because you actually don't need

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Speaker 1: any commentary. You just need to see the image, and

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00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: it tells you everything you need to know, including the

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Speaker 1: fact that if everyone in the picture, the person at

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Speaker 1: greatest from a serious illness of COVID was clearly Stacey Abrams. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's the one not wearing a mask. The little children.

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Speaker 1: The odds are overwhelming. If one of those kids got

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Speaker 1: COVID that there would be few, if any, symptoms, and

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Speaker 1: it would not be life threatening. But what it reveals

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00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: is that neither she nor the other Democratic politicians that

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Speaker 1: are insisting the kids be masks. They don't believe in

650
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: this stuff. No, they don't. It's worse than hypocrisy, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: It's it's elitism. They actually aren't just violating rules that

652
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Speaker 1: they think apply to themselves. They actually don't believe that

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Speaker 1: their own rules apply to themselves. And this has been

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Speaker 1: This is the reason the Washington Post isn't picturing or

655
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: showing this photograph is because they know it's not a

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Speaker 1: Republican or a Democrat issue anymore among voters, especially parents,

657
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: that parents across the aisle are outraged at how the

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Speaker 1: public health establishment has treated their children and continue to

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Speaker 1: treat their children in school. And that's where I want

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Speaker 1: to dive into this a little more nerdy, a little

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Speaker 1: more phyllisical aspect of as we've seen up close and

662
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Speaker 1: personal the last two years, how the public health establishment

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00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: holds so much power over the American public, how much

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Speaker 1: they influence politicians who issue dictates and mandates and lockdowns

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Speaker 1: and masks and vaccines and all of these, all of

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Speaker 1: these fairly invasive measures in the name of health, in

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Speaker 1: the name of public health. And so I want to

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Speaker 1: talk to you tonight. I want to ask you, from

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Speaker 1: a philosophical perspective, what is the role or what should

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Speaker 1: be the role of the public health establishment in our country. Well,

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Speaker 1: it depends what qualifies for public health establishment and in

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00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: many ways that is functionally doctor Anthony Fauci, and and

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Speaker 1: he has become the face of it so much so

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Speaker 1: that that on TV he has said, I represent science.

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00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: You know, it reminds me of Scripture. In the beginning

676
00:37:54,320 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: was the word I mean? It is this hubers to

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00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: embody science with which Faucci. Look. Two years ago, Faucci

678
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: had a pretty good reputation, he was well respected. The arbitrariness,

679
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: the error against the attitude of infallibility, and the obvious

680
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: contradictions that have come from Fauci. I think you've done

681
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: massive and long term damage to the credibility of the CDC,

682
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: of the NIH, of the public health establishment. Listen, you

683
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Speaker 1: want to minimize the spread of disease, lock every person

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Speaker 1: on planet Earth in a dungeon and never let them out.

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Speaker 1: You will reduce the spread of disease. They're just or

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Speaker 1: other negative consequences, right. Well, that kind of get that

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Speaker 1: kind of gets to my questions. That's why I think

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Speaker 1: that we as a nation, especially the Republican Party and

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00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: the Conservative movement, need to analyze, We need to be

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Speaker 1: thoughtful about what the proper role of public health is.

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Speaker 1: When public health is defined as you I mean as

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Speaker 1: the promise that you laid out, as as Fauci, as

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Speaker 1: these government bureaucrats who weren't elected, they were appointed, who

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Speaker 1: have the highest salary of all federal employees, including the

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Speaker 1: President of the United States, And to me, it speaks

696
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Speaker 1: to the administrative state because we could, we could get

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Speaker 1: rid of Fauci, meaning President Biden could fire him, he

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Speaker 1: could resign. I mean, he's old, He's not going to

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Speaker 1: be in this position forever. You can replace one bureaucrat

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00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: with another bureaucrat. But as long as you have this system,

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Speaker 1: as we do of these executive agencies that Congress defers

702
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: rulemaking too, I don't see this problem, particularly now that

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Speaker 1: they have cemented how they want to handle pandemics or

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Speaker 1: public health. They know that they can wage this power

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Speaker 1: the way that they have. I don't see this going

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Speaker 1: away unless we address the administrative state specifically. Yeah, look,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a very good point. I think the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration made serious mistakes as COVID broke out, and

709
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Speaker 1: one of the mistakes was elevating Fauci and deferring to

710
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Speaker 1: him for far too long. The Trump administration should have

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Speaker 1: fired Fauci the way Fauci and the declared lord's a

712
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Speaker 1: public health treated is is that they were infallible. Yeah,

713
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Speaker 1: and they did it while being cynically political at the

714
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Speaker 1: same time. That combination is a really toxic brew. It is,

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Speaker 1: and especially because if there's a doctor in the private

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Speaker 1: sector who has a terrible opinion or gives you terrible

717
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Speaker 1: medical advice, you just you go somewhere else, you go

718
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Speaker 1: to a different practice, you go to a different provider,

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Speaker 1: and that doctor. I mean, it's a meritocracy, or it's

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Speaker 1: supposed to be, and that's not the case when it's

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Speaker 1: a government bureaucrat. Again, That's why, that's why I think

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Speaker 1: that when we're looking at the power of these bureaucrats

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Speaker 1: and federal agencies, we have to understand the history a

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Speaker 1: little bit. That this idea of the administrative state was introduced,

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Speaker 1: you know, at least theoretically by Woodrow Wilson. He thought

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Speaker 1: that there should be this this class of neutral bureaucrats

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Speaker 1: that ran our federal government. I personally don't believe that

728
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Speaker 1: there can be someone who is politically neutral. I think

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Speaker 1: everyone has an opinion. Then LBJ and FDR expanded this

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Speaker 1: administrative state. So now we have this bloated, this bloated apparatus,

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Speaker 1: which a lot of people called the deep state because

732
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Speaker 1: of all these politicos that work there that aren't accountable

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Speaker 1: to the voter. In my opinion, and I want your

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Speaker 1: take as a constitutional lawyer on this. In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: the advent of this, or what really caused this to

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Speaker 1: grow out of control, was when the Supreme Court stopped

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Speaker 1: applying the separation of powers doctrine. That, of course, was

738
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Speaker 1: when Congress would delegate their legislative authority to the executive agency.

739
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Speaker 1: The judicial brands used to not allow that, but then

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Speaker 1: they stopped and they did allow Congress, and now look

741
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Speaker 1: what we have. So i'd love to hear your take

742
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Speaker 1: on that and how we reverse that. So you're exactly right.

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Speaker 1: It got exacerbated by a decision from the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: that was called the Chevron decision, where they created something

745
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: that's called Chevron deference, which the courts now will defer

746
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: to the judgment of an agency even if the statute,

747
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: even if the law doesn't require that outcome. If the

748
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Speaker 1: expert agency has an outcome, they will defer to it.

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Speaker 1: If there's any ambiguity in the statue. I think there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of folks and I would count myself

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Speaker 1: among them who think Chevron was a mistake, that it

752
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: contributed to the growth of the regulatory state. And you've

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00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: got a couple of things at play here. Number One,

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00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: elected politicians like to shift power to the executive branch

755
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: because they can avoid responsibility. They can pass a vague

756
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 1: in general law, and then when the agency does something bad,

757
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: they can say to their voters, Hey, it's not me

758
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: that did it. It's it's it's it's the EPA that

759
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: did it. It's it's it's the agency. It's OSHA that

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00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: did it. But secondly, there's a problem that we've seen

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Speaker 1: that's called regulatory capture. And this is a notion from economics,

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00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: where you have regulators that are regulating in particular industry

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Speaker 1: who become captured by it. They have a revolving door

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Speaker 1: where people come from the agency to the to the

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Speaker 1: private sector that they're regulating, and back again, and they

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00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: end up following the interests of the giant companies in

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Speaker 1: that industry. So you see it in the aviation world

768
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Speaker 1: with the FAA and a company like Boeing, and you

769
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Speaker 1: look at the seven thirty seven macs where there was

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00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: an instance the FAA was not remotely effective enough and

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00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: ensuring the safety of the seven thirty seven macs. With

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Speaker 1: respect to COVID. You look at the FDA and just

773
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Speaker 1: how in bad the FDA is With Big Pharma. I've

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Speaker 1: seen some data with ivermectin and hydroxy chloroquine that have

775
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: suggested good results, particularly in the developing world. But both

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00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: of those drugs are incredibly cheap. Both of those drugs

777
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: are you can get for pennies, whereas Big Pharma if

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00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: you look at the treatments they're pushing their thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 1: And I do think there is a real question of

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Speaker 1: agency capture. Why is it that the agency favors treatments

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Speaker 1: that cost thousands of dollars versus treatments that cost pennies,

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Speaker 1: And particularly in the weird politicized world where the fact

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Speaker 1: that Trump said hydroxychloric and good caused half the country

784
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: to say it must be bad if Trump likes it,

785
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: which is a really weird way to make medical or

786
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: scientific decisions. Yeah, so that's well, that's science if you're

787
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: defining science as doctor fauci here, So get a little bit,

788
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: get a little bit nerdier if you can on the

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Speaker 1: Chevron deference here, I don't understand, Senator, why so many

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Speaker 1: in the judiciary, and this is not just the Supreme Court,

791
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Speaker 1: this is this is all levels. Why there's such deference

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Speaker 1: to precedent for the sake of precedent when precedent is

793
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: so clearly unconstitutional. Now, you know, you and I have

794
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: talked about Dobbs versus Jackson Women's Health, we talked about

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00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade, We've talked about decisions that are obviously

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Speaker 1: unconstitutional that the left, there are judicial activists who actually

797
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: don't want to overturn a demonstrably wrong and unconstitutional decision

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00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: just because it's been quote unquote settled for decades. So

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Speaker 1: I don't understand that jurisprudence, if you want to call

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Speaker 1: it a jurisprudence. But how do we undo the Chevron

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00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: deference because it is incorrect and right Congress is never

802
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 1: gonna do anything about it because it makes their jobs easier,

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00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: not to be responsible for what they legislate. So there's

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Speaker 1: a doctrine courts follow that's called starry decisis that is

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00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: respect for precedent. It's following precedent and look stary decisis

806
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: makes sense and that you want predictability in a legal system.

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00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: You know, if you look at how laws are structured,

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00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: there's a tension between rules and standards. Rules are clear

809
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: bright lines where you know which side you fall on them. Now,

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00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: they have the advantage of predictability. They have the advantage

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Speaker 1: that xante beforehand, you can know where you will be afterwards.

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Speaker 1: The downside of clear bright line rules is sometimes that

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Speaker 1: are unfair. Sometimes a line where result in a particular

814
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: case where you say, well, gosh, that rule resulted in

815
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Speaker 1: an unfairness for this particular person because of some weird circumstances.

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, standards where things are flexible. They

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00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: can spawn to, oh, if it's unfair to do this here,

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Speaker 1: let's not do it here. If it's fair to do

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Speaker 1: it there, let's do it there, so you can respond

820
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: to the exigencies of the circumstance. But the problem with

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Speaker 1: standards is they're unpredictable. It's hard to predict on the

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Speaker 1: front end what the answer will be stared is scisis

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Speaker 1: is a structural rule that you want players in our society,

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Speaker 1: whether individuals, whether people looking at the civil law, where

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00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: the people looking at the criminal law where their companies

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Speaker 1: to be able to predict the outcome. And so if

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Speaker 1: you know, all right, there is this precedent, so the

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Speaker 1: courts will follow this precedent, then you could order your

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Speaker 1: behavior accordingly and say, okay, here's what the law is.

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Speaker 1: You can go to your lawyers ask what the law is,

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Speaker 1: and you can know what it is that that has

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Speaker 1: an advantage. You want stability. You don't want the law

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00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: changing willy nilly. But the scisis is not absolute. There

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Speaker 1: are times when precedents are wrong and precedents are overturned,

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Speaker 1: and the courts have laid out rules for when precedents

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Speaker 1: sho should be overturned, and the rules look to things

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Speaker 1: like have there been has the law been settled, have

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Speaker 1: people had reliance interest on it? Has the law proven administrable?

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Speaker 1: As it proven Sometimes there's a bad decision that just

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Speaker 1: produces chaos and the courts say, okay, this didn't work.

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Speaker 1: The courts also are more willing to follow starry descisis

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Speaker 1: for a statutory question than they are for a constitutional question.

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Speaker 1: Now why is that? Because a statutory question, which is

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Speaker 1: the interpretation of a federal law passed by Congress, sign

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Speaker 1: a law by the president. If the courts get it wrong,

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Speaker 1: Congress can change the statute, and it does that sometimes.

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Speaker 1: So if there's a statutory question, the courts get it wrong,

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Speaker 1: With respect to the Constitution, there's more of a view

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Speaker 1: Brown was the right decision. Plessy was wrong. During the

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Speaker 1: argument in Dobbs, you had the Supreme Court justices asking

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Speaker 1: Row meet that standard? But how willing a justice is

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Speaker 1: to overrule precedent? That varies justice by justice? I will say,

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Speaker 1: By the way, as a final point on this, the

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Speaker 1: for them, star decisis is critically important because they support Row.

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Speaker 1: They don't want star decisis. When it comes to Heller,

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Speaker 1: which is the court's decision upholding the Second Amendment right

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Speaker 1: rule Heller. They don't want stary decisis. When it comes

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Speaker 1: right to engage and and and criticize politicians. They disagree

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Speaker 1: with Citizens United, they would overturn it. So, particularly for

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Speaker 1: the left, when it comes to stary decisis, that is

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Speaker 1: usually an excuse for whatever policy outcome they want, because

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Speaker 1: the left views the courts as really very little different

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Speaker 1: Right and so we have to get to it. We

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Speaker 1: don't have to. We want to get to a really

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Speaker 1: funny question from the verdict usum subscribe or pool here

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Speaker 1: in just a second. But let me ask you a

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Speaker 1: very quick yes or no question. Is there a possibility

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Speaker 1: that Chevron deference, that Chevron could be overturned at the

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Speaker 1: especially deal Gorse, which has been quite critical of chevron

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Speaker 1: a deference, and it's it's a doctrine that has come

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Speaker 1: under more and more criticism. I think I think there's

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Speaker 1: a real possibility Chevron's overturn because the Left, as they

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Speaker 1: and the American people want to reject it. Okay, this

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Speaker 1: is a really funny question. I saw this one. It's

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Speaker 1: not a it's not a policy question at all. This

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Speaker 1: is from Paul on the Verdict plus Community. Paul says,

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Speaker 1: is Ted short for Theodore, is Liz short for Elizabeth?

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Speaker 1: And is Michael short from Michael Angelo. Ooh, I like that,

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Speaker 1: So I'll address my piece of it at least. So

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Speaker 1: Ted is actually not short for theater Theodore. My full

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Speaker 1: name is Raphael Edward Cruz. Raphael is after my father,

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Speaker 1: RAPHAELBM and Evil Cruz, who's Cuban. My mental name Edward.

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Speaker 1: It is after my grandfather, my mother's father, who was

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Speaker 1: Edward Dara. So sometimes people refer to me as Eduardo. No,

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Speaker 1: he was Irish and Italian. He was not. Actually he

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Speaker 1: was Irish. My grandmother's Irish and Italian. Um it was

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Speaker 1: Edward and Ted is a nickname for Edward, and so

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Speaker 1: that's that's where Ted comes from. And Liz is short

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Speaker 1: for Elizabeth. I will answer on behalf of Michael and

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Speaker 1: say that it's not short for my clangel. It's short

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Speaker 1: for Saint Michael. Kidding, obviously kidding. This actually will be

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Speaker 1: a test to see if Michael does watch this series,

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Speaker 1: because if he does, you know whole comment on it.

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