1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 2: What's up everybody walking to move the sticks? 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: DJ? 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 2: Buck back with you, and we have our good friend 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: from Fox, Bruce Feldman is joining the show here. Bruce. 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: How are you doing, my buddy. 7 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Good to see you, guys. 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: It's great, man. 9 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 3: We love Oh go ahead, Buck, jump in there before 10 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 3: we jump into the college thing. I gotta know, how 11 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 3: are we doing with the flag football thing? How are 12 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 3: we doing? 13 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: Okay? We had he had his first game on Sunday, 14 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: so unfortunately he's playing out a position at quarterback because 15 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: we need him there or whatever, and so it was 16 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: funny he had to pick six to kind of win 17 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: the game for us. And Justin Hoover, who I know, 18 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: you know from the Elite elevenues. Oh yeah, yeah, quarterback 19 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: coach from from from Kansas City. He sent me. Know 20 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 1: what he was like, it's players, not plays. And I'm 21 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: sitting there going, I think my players are pretty good. 22 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 3: That's funny. 23 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 2: How many trophies do we have on the shelf right now, 24 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: by the way from the flag football coaching career of Bruce. 25 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: Velie with few? I mean, you know, the way it 26 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: is now. It's like you coach three seasons a year, 27 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: and so I was coaching him in the Snoop and 28 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: Hush League on Friday nights the Chargers put on. I 29 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: can't in the fall because I'm on the road on 30 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: Friday nights, but I can coach in this other league 31 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: that is blocking on Sundays. So it's good when your 32 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: kid loves the stuff you love as much. It's kind 33 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: of neat to see the game through his eyes, you know, 34 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: the fantasy football stuff which were talking about before, that's 35 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: like that's like homework's. 36 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: Uh, what's the biggest takeaway so far? We're just a 37 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: couple of weeks. The season is very young on the 38 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: college football side, Bruce. But what's maybe surprised you with 39 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: what you've seen this far? 40 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: Let me start with a couple of weeks ago. We 41 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: were in ann Arbor for Texas whipping the defending national champs. 42 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't surprised Texas won going away, I am surprised 43 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: at how shaky the Wolverinees defense looks. You know, like 44 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: link Martin Dale comes from the NFL. Look the Michigan's 45 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: previous two defenseive coordinators, Mike Mike McDonald and Jesse Minner 46 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: both came from the NFL too. You know, they have 47 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: a couple of really talented d linemen you know good 48 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,119 Speaker 1: you know, one one high level cornerback and Will Johnson. 49 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: You know, they have players at all three levels. They 50 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: just do not do not look very good. They look 51 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: really out of sync. The Blitzes just look like they're 52 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: getting out of place. Credit to Sark because he really 53 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: had their number and had them kind of dialed in. 54 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: But that that's a big one for me. You know, 55 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: the other things are a little less. You know, Tennessee's 56 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: Tennessee and Ole miss have been just throttling teams. Tennessee 57 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: at least played NC State, who's Who's who was a 58 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: top twenty five team. The other teams haven't, you know, 59 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: haven't really played anybody. So and then you know, back 60 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: in our neck of the woods, Danton Lynn has had 61 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: a really big impact so far at USC. You know, 62 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: they had the nice win over LSU. I think they're 63 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: tackling much better. And I still don't think there's like 64 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: high level talent there. But that's not his fault. But 65 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: we'll see. They got to you know, Michigan this weekend, 66 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: and I think they're going to win that game because 67 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: I just think Michigan is going to have a hard 68 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: time dealing with Miller. Moss is very accurate and seems 69 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: to see it really well. They have four or five 70 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: big time receivers, and I don't know how, you know, 71 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: like Michigan has to be a lot more locked in 72 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: if they're going to slow down Lincoln rally, that's playing 73 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: into Lincoln Riley's hands. 74 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 3: I think, you know, it's funny like in watching Michigan, 75 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 3: a couple a few things that stand out to me 76 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 3: that I'm surprised. I'm surprised you Ron Moore gave up 77 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 3: play calling because he did a really good job last 78 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: year doing that. And I know sometimes guys want to 79 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 3: be the head coach and oversee the whole operation. But 80 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: I feel like that might have been a little bit 81 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: of his superpower that he relinquished too, the wing more 82 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 3: the other thing on defense. It's funny because I know 83 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: the two previous decoordinators worked for him, but I felt 84 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 3: like he had big shoes that he was stepping into 85 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: and replacing Jesse Minner who was running and who was 86 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 3: running an extension of what Mike McDonald had established. How 87 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: different are the Wolverines with Wink Martindale call him the 88 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: defense compared to what McDonald and Mentor were doing. 89 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: There's a couple of times where it really looked just 90 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 1: kind of unsound with what they were doing, and towards 91 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: your point, Bucky, you know, and when Mike Mike was 92 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: a great hire for Jim Harbaugh. You know, you guys 93 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: probably knew who he was. I didn't, you know, I 94 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: got to know him when he got to ann Arbor, 95 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: but when he left to go back to the NFL, 96 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: I know, he you know, helped you know, Jesse kind 97 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: of prepare for what Jim Harball was going to throw 98 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: at him in the interview process. And he did a 99 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: really good job, you know there they both did, you know, 100 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: terrific And it's not like the cupboard is fairly bear. 101 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: On the other side of the ball, you know, you 102 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: have Colston Lovelin is a really talented tight end, but 103 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: the whole offensive line had to re replace JJ McCarthy, 104 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: who was very talented and obviously was a first round pick, 105 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: but also you know, it's dynamic athlete and a really 106 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: good leader. You lose Blake Corn, they weren't that good 107 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: at receiver, so that side of the ball was a concern. 108 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: On the other side, you got Mason Graham, you have 109 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: Kenneth Grant. Those guys I think are first round talents. 110 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: You know, they have a couple other guys like Josiah 111 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: Stewart's a big time player. The kid they got who 112 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: transferred from from Maryland, he's a beast. I mean, he's 113 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: an NFL player. They have pieces to work with. They 114 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: just look like they I don't know. This is a 115 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: lot of the other guys who come from the NFL 116 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: and jumped back into college's defensive coordinators mentioned the two 117 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: guys at Michigan. You can say Al Golden, I know 118 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: he was a college guy for a long time, but 119 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: came from the even think. You know, obviously Danton Lynn 120 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: was was fantastic for USC, and I think Robert Livingston 121 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: at Colorado a Bengals guy who learned, Yeah, they're better, 122 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: They're better on that side of the ball. It's wink 123 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: And again, I don't know enough about what is going 124 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: on behind the scenes there, but that's the part that 125 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: that has been a little puzzling, and it's early. You know, 126 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: maybe he'll shut down, shut down Miller Moss and and 127 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: and and they'll get all ound because not like us, 128 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: he has a great o line. I think Texas line 129 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: is much better. But we'll see. But right now that 130 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: one's looking like that's a little bit of a shaky higher. 131 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: So I'm glad that this is going to transition me 132 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: perfectly because I've talked to a bunch of guys as 133 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: going around doing these NFL games, are running a lot 134 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,559 Speaker 2: of buddies around the league. In a couple of questions, 135 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: I've asked early you know, early visits, what's jumped out 136 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: to you, and then you know what are the kind 137 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 2: of the big conversations are taking place. So one of 138 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: them was Texas with the tackles that Banks has got 139 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: all the attention, and some of these NFL teams think 140 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: the other tackles even better than him at Texas. So like, okay, Texas, 141 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, for a place that had no 142 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: offensive lineman for like literally a quarter of a century, 143 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: apparently they've got some legit offensive lineman that starts brought 144 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: in there. So that was the first one. The second 145 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: one was in a year. This feels like there's no 146 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: I mean, people are Okay, you like Georgia kid, you 147 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: like the Texas kid. But like quarterback wise, everybody's talking 148 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: about Jackson Dart and I'm fascinated by it. And they said, look, 149 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: the question has always been kind of the maybe the 150 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: tools or the ability, but like the makeup is off 151 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: the charts, the toughness, like the leadership, like the maturity, 152 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 2: like all that stuff off the charts, and it's like, Okay, 153 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: we're gonna it sounds to me like it's we're going 154 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: to bet on this kid at least this point in 155 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: the process where we're believing in the kid and that 156 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: the ability will be it'll meet the threshold of good enough. 157 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: But I'm curious on those two things, Bruce, what have 158 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 2: you heard so on the Let's start with Jackson first. 159 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: I think the biggest issue with him till last year 160 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: was can he take care of the football? It was 161 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: like he turns it over a lot. And look, he 162 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: played as you guys know, he played in that year 163 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: at USC when when Clay Helton was getting fired and 164 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: you had, you know, a lame duck situation that wasn't 165 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: you know, there was still some talent or receiver for sure, 166 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: But so he went in there was up and down, 167 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: and Lane I think made him compete for the job 168 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: because at one point they had Spencer Sanders who played 169 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: a lot at Oklahoma State. They took Walker Howard, who 170 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: was like a five star and you know, I'm curious 171 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: to see when, if, and when he plays in college 172 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: because he has ability. And Jackson Dart won the job. 173 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,119 Speaker 1: Looked really good and they surrounded him with good skill 174 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: talent last year. And Lane's very good, you know, you know, 175 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: he and Sark are both terrific with quarterbacks and as 176 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: play callers. I think that's been good. The thing you 177 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: said DJ about the toughness. I did some a story 178 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: at some point this summer about like who's going to 179 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: be that quarterback who blows up and becomes the top 180 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,719 Speaker 1: five pick, because it happens almost every year, whether it's 181 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow or Jaydon Daniels, even you know, Zach Wilson 182 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: in that crazy COVID year. I know that, you know, 183 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: we've talked about, like, Okay, who was playing and whatnot. 184 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: But Baker, Yeah, Baker. 185 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 2: Went from like a third round pick to the first 186 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: overall pick one year. 187 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, so it happens. It's pretty much every year, 188 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: So who's that guy? And when I talked to other 189 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 1: coaches who had faced these quarterbacks, and it's interesting to 190 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: look back because some of the ones who were like 191 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: the hot names. You know, one of the names who 192 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: was hot was Connor Wigman, who's who played Notre Dame. 193 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: Didn't look great and then got you know, hurt, and 194 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: we'll see, you know, what he ends up doing. But 195 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: I think in the case of Dart, people loved his toughness. 196 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: It was almost like I'm trying to think of the 197 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: quarterback who's come out where it's almost like he'll run 198 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: through a wall to the to the detriment kind of thing. 199 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: You know, It's like they loved his toughness. They think 200 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: he would be a great leader just because of how, 201 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: you know, how he will lay it all out there. 202 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,599 Speaker 1: And he's a good athlete too, so you know, I 203 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: could see him. It's a weird it's a weird crop 204 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: of quarterbacks because you have viewers who definitely has arm talent, 205 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: and he's got great receivers and you know, tie into 206 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: the offensive line in a second. But like, you know, 207 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: he's been hurt now three years in a row at 208 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: this time, you know, it's almost always this time of year. 209 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: I think he's you know, he looked really good against 210 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: Michigan on the road. You have I like Carson Beck 211 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: a lot. He's really smart, and he's you know, he's 212 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: just in a different system. Not not to the detriment. 213 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: It's not like he's going to put up the numbers 214 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: if he was at like Tennessee, you know, where the 215 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: ball is just flying all over the place. They don't 216 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: want to they're not looking to win games. And then Shadoor, 217 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: who's also an interesting you know because he has the 218 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: terrible offensive line, but it's almost like a seven on 219 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: seven game because his skill. Guys are so so much 220 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: of an upgrade. And it's not just Hunner. I mean 221 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:46,479 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, Jimmy. 222 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: Horne, John Horn is a good player. 223 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's still you know wester of the kid that 224 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: Jhonta Western who they got from FAU is a really 225 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: good player. There's a transfer from Vandy is a pretty 226 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: good receiver. And I there's a lot I like about Shadoor. 227 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: But I could see people falling in love with Jackson Dart. Now. 228 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: The question is they haven't really played anybody yet. They're 229 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: about too soon and then let's see how he does 230 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: those games. 231 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: Well quick, real quick, real quick, before you get to text, 232 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: I want on Dart, I want to wrap this up. 233 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: That part of it up you the way you just 234 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 2: describe that. If you went back, Bruce, and I know 235 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: you were tied in with the team, if you went 236 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: back and looked at the Joe Burrow notes before his 237 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 2: last year at LSU, the stuff that you were just saying, Oh, 238 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: he's he's nobody questions his toughness, he won over his teammates. 239 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: You know, it just continued, the progression keeps getting better 240 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 2: and better. Like it sounds a lot like Joe just 241 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: in terms of that stuff that you were mentioning. 242 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, the only part I don't know. And because I was, 243 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: I was way closer to it at LSU, and because 244 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: I spent all the time working on the book, Like 245 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is as close to a coach on the 246 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: field you get in college football in terms of what 247 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: the freedom they gave him and the freedom he took 248 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: and how he was like, you know, he's a he's 249 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: a coach's kid. Jimmy Burrow is a college defense coordinator 250 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: in the MAC and and I think he was again 251 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: not to say Jackson's dart isn't that I would. I 252 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 1: just haven't seen anybody in the years covering college football 253 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: who had the leadership and the smarts and the wherewithal 254 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: of like they fed off him in a way that 255 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: was so unique. Maybe he's maybe maybe you know Jackson 256 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 1: is that way. I don't know. That's a that's a 257 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: big app Getting back to the Texas O line part, 258 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: I think one of the things that likes to a 259 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: big credit for Sark. He really evolved from the guy 260 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: who was the head coach here at USC when it 261 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: when it imploded, and even at Washington he did some 262 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: good things. To remember, he took over a winless team 263 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: and they got them more than respectable, and then he 264 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: left for sc The things I think that were great 265 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: for him was he went to Alabama and he could 266 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: have great And it's not to say Pete Carroll didn't 267 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: have tough teams, because he did, but I think it 268 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: was like he took the best parts that Saban had 269 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: and brought them to Texas. So he had Kyle Flood, 270 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: who's really good old line coach he was at he 271 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: was at Rutgers and and he knows what he's doing. 272 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: He had Bo Davis, who's one of the great D 273 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: line coaches not there anymore. But I think that good 274 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: on good, you know, because remember who they were blocking 275 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: last year was I heard you guys talking Byron Murphy before. 276 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: You know, he's really good. And yeah, I know he 277 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: had issues before the draft, but it's not like he 278 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: doesn't have talent. That's and there were two other big 279 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: guys who were still in the program that they're going 280 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: up again. So I think that was a big part 281 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: of you know, some of the players were there, some 282 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: of them were not. And I just think they've recruited 283 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: really well and I think they've developed really well, and 284 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: I think those guys know what they're doing. They had 285 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: a bunch of guys who worked in the NFL, and again, 286 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: I think Sark has figured a lot of stuff out 287 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: and I think that's why they've developed. And they looked 288 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: awesome against Michigan. They really did. I mean, I'm not surprised. 289 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: You know, real scouts, you know, are looking at it 290 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: and seeing what like some of us are like think 291 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: we're seeing like I could totally get it now. You know. 292 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 3: It's funny because you talked about it I've always wondered 293 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 3: how that combination would be if Sarry could take the 294 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 3: best of Pete Carroll and the best of Nick Saban 295 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 3: and kind of mild it together. And I heard started 296 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 3: talk about that on Joel Klap's podcast. It was just 297 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 3: an interesting mix. But I want to go back because 298 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 3: I think you may have some interesting insight and perspective. 299 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 3: The Shudeur Sanders conversation fascinates me because there are things 300 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 3: that I love about him in terms of how he 301 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 3: plays the clutch moments, having watched him not only at 302 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 3: Colorado but at Jackson State. All this stuff is great. 303 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 3: The thing that concerns me is how he's going to 304 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 3: be perceived in an NFL locker room when there are 305 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 3: moments that have documented on tape where he kind of 306 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 3: appears to throw his teammates under the bus based on 307 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 3: what you talk I mean, when the people that you 308 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 3: talked to at Colorado like what is it like there 309 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: behind the scenes, Like is he good? Is he not good? 310 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 3: Is that going to be a problem when we start 311 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 3: having these conversations as when he gets closer to the draft. 312 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's positive. You know, the 313 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: comment one of the comments When you said that that 314 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: struck with me was a couple of weeks ago. It 315 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: did sound like he threw the old line under the 316 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: bus there. And I think what is challenging for them 317 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: is those players, but especially him, are have hot mic constantly, 318 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of like people are shadowing them. 319 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: It's their own people, but there's this content. Everything they 320 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: ever say or do is on camera and scene. And 321 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: so my gut, and I don't know this for sure, 322 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: but my gut is NFL people will do their due 323 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: diligence and be like, Okay, this kid's really tough. I mean, 324 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, Deon didn't do him any favors, you know, 325 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: with the old line situation. Now they've tried to upgrade, 326 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: but you you know, like on one side of the ball, 327 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: and we mentioned Livingston the DC, but you add not 328 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: just sad, but then you add Damian Lewis was an 329 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: NFL line coach. You not only played in the NFL 330 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: like SAP for a long time, but in this case 331 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: on the O line you didn't have. You know, they 332 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: took a GA who had been at OU under a 333 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: great old line. 334 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: He was a player. I remember scouting him and I 335 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: was like he's an offensive I did remember him following 336 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: his journey. 337 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: How is he? Yeah, anyways, and now he's the guy, 338 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: and I think that, you know, that's the part where 339 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: I think they're probably a little better than they were. 340 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: They probably more talented than they were a year ago 341 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: on that side of the ball. But he's still under, 342 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, under a ton of pressure. I think he's 343 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: going to be a really interesting evaluation because he does 344 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: have like they're much better receiver, we're really bad on 345 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: the O line. They do some things where I think 346 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: they give him a ton of freedom and sometimes those 347 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: decisions are really like that's not good game management. You know, 348 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: you kind of see that in some of the games, 349 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: and so I'm interested to see how it goes. But 350 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: like it's Deon Sanders, like he knows way more about 351 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: the world of the NFL than most people who are 352 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: coaching college football. Having said that, he also I think 353 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: has a challenge of seeing everything through Dion Sanders' eyes, 354 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: which is way different than almost anybody else. Like I'll 355 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: sometimes hear him say talk about things, and he's wired. 356 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: He clearly was wired differently. You know, people can have 357 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: similar backgrounds of what they grew out of but they're 358 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: probably not, you know, wired the way he was. I mean, 359 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: the guy is arguably the greatest defensive back in the 360 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: history of the sport, you know. And it's not just 361 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: because he was he was like a phenomenal athlete. There 362 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: was so many other things that go to that, and 363 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: I think because of that, you know, it's it's just 364 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: like it's a different canvas, right, you know. I think 365 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: he's got first roundability because he's accurate, and he's tough, 366 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: and he's clearly smart. It's just you know, quarterbacks miss 367 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: a lot of times and when they get after, they 368 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: just do and that situation is a is an unusual 369 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: one because, like I said, he's he's playing without an 370 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: offensive line. He's under like he's the guy who is 371 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,959 Speaker 1: under the microscope more than any other because let's be honest, 372 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: Like you know, I work at Fox, where we love 373 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: putting those guys on TV because they're ratings gold, you know, 374 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: and and they're putting him out there all the time. 375 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: He's putting himself out there. I think, by and large, 376 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,239 Speaker 1: I've heard really good things about him. You know, like 377 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: there was certainly an odd dynamic last year when when 378 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: you know, Sean Lois was the OC and then he 379 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: gets demoted, you know, and and that that's a little strange, 380 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: but I don't I wouldn't miss I wouldn't put that 381 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: on on the quarterback. That's just kind of what he 382 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: was operating with. 383 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 2: On the don side of it. By the way, not 384 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 2: only the greatest defensive back. I was thinking about it 385 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 2: just running through my head with what he did football, baseball, 386 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 2: And could you I mean, how could you refuse if 387 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 2: I were to say to you that Deon Sanders is 388 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 2: one of the ten greatest athletes that's ever walked the 389 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: face of the earth. I don't think that. I don't 390 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 2: think you can even refuse that. 391 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: As would put Bo Jackson in there too. 392 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, but the list gets very short, wouldn't you start 393 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: talking about that? 394 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny, like, you know, we get jaded because 395 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: we work around you know, Buck you obviously play in 396 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: the NFL, and so I want to sort of take 397 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: you out of this. But like you sometimes like, oh, yeah, 398 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: that guy's this, or you know, when you work with them, 399 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: and there's definitely times I work with Charles Woods and 400 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, Charles might be you know, you can 401 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: make a conversation. Yeah, so, and and it's like they're different. 402 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: You know, they're just I think they're athleticism different. They're 403 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: just the way they're wired is probably different. You know, 404 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: they can they can impart and say all the things 405 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: they want to to somebody else who's probably really good. 406 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: It just won't land the same way. Or they're just 407 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's and it's just it's hard for some 408 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: of us to like kind of put that into contexts. 409 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: You know, I think we get like I said, I 410 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: think we get jaded by by greatness a lot of times. 411 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,239 Speaker 2: All Right, we're gonna take quick break. We'll be right 412 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 2: back with Bruce Felman. What about Bruce. I want to 413 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: go to Alabama. I've always mean Kalyn de Boor when 414 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 2: you do what he did at Fresno before he even 415 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: got to Washington, it's like I'm in on him, like 416 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 2: the guy can coach. And I'm always fascinated when you 417 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: get guys who are kind of like the just the 418 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 2: pure coach. There was no ladder, he didn't attach himself to, 419 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,719 Speaker 2: you know, the hot coach and then try and follow 420 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 2: that and and coattail his way to success. Like the 421 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: guy's kind of grinded and earned his way to get 422 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 2: to that you know, princle job there at Alabama. But 423 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 2: I don't, I mean, am I crazy, Like I don't 424 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 2: see drop off here? Like and I know people say, okay, 425 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: well there's the remnants of Nick are going to be 426 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: around for you know, multiple years here. But I look 427 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,959 Speaker 2: at them, I'm like, Okay, I thought, maybe we'll see 428 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 2: let see, you know, the offense, he'll be his little 429 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 2: wrinkle and his new little flavor to it. But we'll 430 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 2: see drop off on the defensive side of the ball, 431 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: maybe some of the physicality. When I watch their games, 432 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 2: they look physical and his fast and explosive on defenses 433 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 2: they have over the last decade. 434 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the culture is obviously really good and 435 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: he knew that. And I think you have a lot 436 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: of guys in there. Here's what I don't think they 437 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: have and who does. But like they don't have the 438 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: Quinn Williams guy, you know, like Alabama, like last year 439 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: they obviously had Dallas Turner and then before that was 440 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: was Will Anderson. But you know, for a long time, 441 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: there was always that guy Deron pain or it was 442 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: like the the six three, three hundred and fift yeah, 443 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: who were just incredibly disruptive. You know. I think lt Overton, 444 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: who was a five star guy, started out at A 445 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: and M and wanted him to lose like thirty five 446 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: pounds and asked him to do stuff that he really 447 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: wasn't comfortable doing. I know from talking to to the 448 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: coaches in Alabama in camp, they loved what they saw 449 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: from him. And he's too eighty again and he's very good. 450 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: The secondary had to be rebuilt, right because you lost 451 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: two you know, high level NFL corners and you lost 452 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: the safety. And Caleb Downs is now in Columbus. He's 453 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: talented of all of them, like he's super special. Was 454 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: I think the first true freshman ever to lead them 455 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 1: in tackles at a defensive back was just you know, 456 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: incredibly talented. What Kalen Kalen's like superpowers. He's really good 457 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: with offense. I mean he saw that last year, him 458 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: and Ryan Greb at this high level passing game. They 459 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 1: had three elite receivers in a good O line. And 460 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: obviously Pennix was you know, has a lot of talent 461 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 1: and I think we saw it and they were dangerous, 462 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: you know. But the thing that is like kind of 463 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: wows me about Kalen, and it's it's like, I don't 464 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: know how it actually manifests itself in a team, you know, 465 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: in terms of leadership. But you know, so I work 466 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: with Chris Peterson, great former Boise State Washington coach, and 467 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: he's an awesome guy to watch football with because he's 468 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: super smart and he can reverse engineer a play that 469 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: worked and kind of tell you what he thinks they 470 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: were doing and everything else. But when and I don't 471 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: think you'd have a problem me saying this, but like 472 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: when he was about to have games, he was wound 473 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: tight and like just you know, it couldn't be you know, 474 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: outside of this space. So we had Wisconsin at Alabama 475 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,479 Speaker 1: last week in Madison, and I just went to go 476 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: pop my head over just to say hi to Kalen. 477 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 1: It was not long before kickoff and I walked over 478 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: and I've known him for a little while and we've 479 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: had some good conversations over the years, and we just 480 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: ended up chatting for five ten minutes. And so I 481 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: didn't really think any you know, like too much of 482 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: it. It was very relaxed, and so on the flight home, 483 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: I was with some of our like the Clatt crew, 484 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: Joel Klatt's crew and the producer truck McDonald. He goes, 485 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: what were you saying to Kalen? He was laughing. I said, 486 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: because it was on I didn't realize it was like 487 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: they had it on it on their truck. And I said, 488 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: you know what's funny is I said, you know, how's 489 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: everything going whatever? And he started, he goes, how's Ben doing? This? 490 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: Is my son? Who's and he's asking going on? It 491 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: was like I can't imagine many coaches bringing up some 492 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: other some random dudes like ten year old about a 493 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: half hour minutes before they're about to play a big 494 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: game on the road, and we talked about, like about 495 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: some stuff you know that was unrelated. He's just super roll. 496 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: He's a he seems to be super relaxed and grounded. 497 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: And I hate to say use this term because it's 498 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: just not to mean it, but he's like very normal, 499 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: you know, and like sometimes had football coaches, you know, 500 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: they're just not wired that way, and he is. And 501 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: I know Coach Pete and I talked about this is 502 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: like can he really be this way? As he gets older, 503 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: when the pressure gets bigger and the spotlight gets bigger, 504 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, because when he he came from, as you said, 505 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: he was at Fresno, and before that, he was a 506 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: really good offensive coordinator at Indiana when nobody knew who 507 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 1: he was, but they just knew he was really good 508 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: and they were a problem. And he's just maintained that same. 509 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: You know, the guy from South Dakota who hit you know, 510 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: at two falls in an ai school, who hit like 511 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: five twenty as a baseball player and set all the 512 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: receiving records. And when he was a young coach, he 513 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: had like part time coaches on his staff, Like this 514 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: guy who was the d line coach was like worked 515 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: in the sheriff's office for most of the time. Like, 516 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,719 Speaker 1: it's crazy how that's the guy who's replacing Nick Saban. 517 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: You know. Again, I'm not saying he's gonna win a 518 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: bunch of national titles. He might, but like just the 519 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: just the persona of what's the head coach is who's 520 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: taken over is a really interesting transition. You know. 521 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 3: Speaking of transitions, there appears to be a bit of 522 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 3: a transition that's going to take place down at the 523 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 3: University of Florida and simultaneously the Florida State Seminoles have 524 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 3: kind of fallen off the cliff after having a great 525 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 3: year a season ago. Bruce is so odd to talk 526 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 3: about college football in those two teams being down at 527 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 3: the bottom of the barrel. 528 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: What's going on in Florida, two separate things, right, So 529 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: I agree. I think I thought Billion Napier was going 530 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: to do a lot better at UF than he has. 531 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: He did a really good job at ULL. He's an 532 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: SEC guy, grew up in that footprint, you know, coach 533 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: thunder Sabin, and it's just not worked out. I think 534 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: the first time I was like, ooh, this is shake 535 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: he was. They opened at Utah last year and they 536 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: really had a bunch of stuff happened that looked like 537 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: they were just unprepared, you know, just really bad busts 538 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: and just different things that you just, you know, looks 539 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: like coaching malpractice out there. And then they made some 540 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: moves in the portal like everybody tried to do. And 541 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: I think they have some good players like DJ Lagway. 542 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,719 Speaker 1: I know, you Buck, I know you saw him. Surely 543 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: he's six three, two forty and can throw it and 544 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: in tangible wise, you know, I talked to Billion Naprier 545 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: like a week ago. He really thinks the kid has 546 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: a lot of great traits. But now all of a sudden, 547 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: you know, they got blown out week one by I 548 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 1: think a really good Miami team that I think not 549 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: only will go to the playoff, I think they can 550 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: make some noise in the playoff because of cam Ward 551 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: and they've they've crushed in in the portal, you know, 552 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: and so no shame in losing that game Texas A 553 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: and M's or the backup quarterback who ran all over them. 554 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: You know. That's and the schedule gets harder, right, And 555 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: so I don't I don't feel great about billion Apier's 556 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: future in Florida. I mean, they have a bye week 557 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: in like a week, and that's usually when coaching changes happen. 558 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: The only thing is you pull the plug. I'm not 559 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: sure what that's going to do for anybody, right because now, 560 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: one thing I know from just you know, reporting on 561 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff at different programs is sometimes when 562 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: you have that lame duck situation and there's no leadership, 563 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: like a lot of other stuff starts to starts to 564 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: get really messy too. Kids, academics, people get checked out. 565 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: It just you know, if you don't have that leadership 566 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: or that you know, main voice. That can be problematic too. 567 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: At Florida State, I just think they lived by this 568 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: sword and die by this. So they did great in 569 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: the portal before this, and this year they bombed in 570 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: the portal. You know, like you look at the guys 571 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: they had, and again I don't you know, I know, 572 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: you guys have started talking. I heard Braden Fisk's name 573 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: come up not that long ago, you guys, and you 574 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: had Fisk, and you had Jared Verse, who comes from 575 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: you know, Sunny Albany, and they had a bunch of 576 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: guys who not only played someplace else, but like I 577 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: think Fisk was much better there than he was probably 578 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: you know in the MAC right and this past year 579 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,719 Speaker 1: was really good. And then they don't have the receivers 580 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: right now. Like Milik Benson has talent. We'll see what 581 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: he can do. But they made a bet on Dju 582 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: and he's struggling. It's not all his fault. The offensive 583 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: line is way worse. You know that that game against BC, 584 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: when he was struggling, they needed guys to step up 585 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: and help, you know, the tight end drops, back to 586 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: back passes, it's almost like anything that could go wrong 587 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: is going wrong. I still think Mike Nora, but like, 588 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: they're crazy if and I don't think they're thinking this, 589 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: but they're crazy if, like Mike Norvell is on the 590 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: hot seat, he's going to have a really bad year. 591 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: I think they need to sort some stuff out in 592 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: terms of on the recruiting front. You know, May they 593 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: may be a four and eight team this year. They're 594 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: already owing three and you know, like BC whooped them, 595 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, so, I don't know what it's going to 596 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: look like the rest of the year. I think they're 597 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: it's they went from thirteen to oh they have not 598 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: in They've gone six games in a row without having 599 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: more than three hundred yards of offense. That's staggering, you know, 600 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: because they do have speed. I mean, they got this. 601 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: They got a bunch of guys on the d line 602 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: who look the part, but really haven't played that way, 603 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: you know. So again, I don't know if they've They've 604 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: made some bad bets that just probably aren't working out. 605 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: I know there's some NFL talent, Like they have a 606 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: corner who those coaches there told me they think he's 607 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: better then more talented than the guys who got drafted 608 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: somewhere in the top hundred right last year, they have. 609 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 2: Both those guys third fourth round guys. 610 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: So now they think he's more talented than that. And 611 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, Patrick Payton, I don't know if he's a 612 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,239 Speaker 1: top seventy five pick. You know, he's a defensive end 613 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: who's continued to grow in his body. Darryl Jackson's the 614 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: six six, three hundred and thirty pound guy who I 615 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: don't know. I'd be curious what he would be as 616 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: an offensive tackle, you know, because right now as a 617 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: defensive lineman. You know, I'm not saying he's not a 618 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: good player, but I just think that people look at 619 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: him go he should be a first round pick, and 620 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's just been just been disappointing. 621 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: That's interesting. My quick takeaway on that, Bruce is it 622 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 2: reminds me a little bit of the Kenneth Walker Michigan 623 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 2: State team when the portal just first popped and they 624 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 2: explode on the scene and everybody was like, well, that's 625 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,479 Speaker 2: how you do it. This is how you win in 626 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 2: college football. Now, you just swap out your whole roster 627 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,239 Speaker 2: every year you get super some superstar players and then 628 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 2: off you go and then obviously we know how that 629 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 2: that story ended. So I think it is I think 630 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 2: it's a learning process in this new landscape of what's 631 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 2: the right form that Dabbo's got all the criticism for 632 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 2: not going in it, then you think of other people 633 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 2: have done it too much. I think there is a 634 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 2: sweet spot in there that I find fascinating. One uh 635 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 2: one thing I want to ask you, Bruce, before we 636 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 2: get out of here. You're gonna a chance to go 637 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 2: to Columbus. You're gonna chance to see an elite, elite, 638 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 2: elite freshman wide receiver. You just saw Alabama who has 639 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 2: an elite, elite, elite freshman wide receiver every year. Buck 640 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 2: and I talk about this that you know, don't worry 641 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: about it. There's going to be wide receivers in the 642 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 2: draft you're gonna have. There's the list is going to 643 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: be too long. You're gonna have to cut it off. 644 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 2: But it feels like, Bruce, I don't know, like when 645 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: does it stopped getting better. It feels like it just 646 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 2: keeps getting better and better and better at that position. 647 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,719 Speaker 1: It does because you got this seven on seven wave 648 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: of guys like Bucky. I know you're like you're slid 649 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: in that right, and it's like they just just it's 650 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: like a hornets mess keeps just swarming of talent. Right, 651 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: So hit An Alabama. I was trying to think who 652 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: he's seventeen and a half. He reclassified early. I mean, 653 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: he can run like the wind. He's a really good 654 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: route runner. He's stronger than he looks, and he's wary. Now, 655 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,959 Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith, the buzz on him has been so big, 656 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: like like there's an old scout in South Florida named 657 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: Larry Bluestein. He's the godfather of South Florida is scouting, 658 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: and he said he's like the best receiver he's ever seen. 659 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: And you guys know some of the receivers who come 660 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: from that, Yeah, I mean this guy might also go 661 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: back to like Anthony Carter days if you remember he's 662 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah number one. He was a border guy. 663 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: But so when when Jeremiah Smith started rolling at Ohio State, 664 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: some of the people I you know, really lean on there, 665 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: who I know on staff. It's like they are having 666 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: a hard time containing themselves because they know he hasn't 667 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: done anything yet in the game yet. He's six three 668 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: plus two hundred and twenty pounds, he's broad jumping eleven feet, 669 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: he's bench pressing three six. He still should be in 670 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: high school because it's like he didn't you know, he's 671 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: an early en roll lee. You know, he's running twenty 672 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: three five like everything. Like Marvin Harrison Junior. I know, 673 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: he went off last weekend and like you know, he 674 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: was really polished and really smooth. And he's also over 675 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,959 Speaker 1: six three and two ten. He didn't run for you know, 676 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,479 Speaker 1: for the draft process, but you know he runs really well. 677 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: This guy's numbers are already like better than Marvin's. He's 678 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: much stronger, he's thicker, he's more dynamic, more explosive. He 679 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: just got there. Again, not a slight on because I 680 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: would have said, in this run of Ohio State, I 681 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: don't want to go back to like, you know, Joey Galloway, Yes, 682 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: Carter and David Boston, but like like in this run, 683 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: Marvin is the most complete of the group, and not 684 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: anymore because now this guy showed up and he's just 685 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: eating people alive, and they have like five guys who 686 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: are also like really really good. I think that room. 687 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: You know, credit certainly to Ryan Davik, certainly to Brian 688 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: Hartline about what they have been able to not just 689 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: to land but also develop and the culture of the room. 690 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: You know, like Chip Kelly gets there. He obviously had 691 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: an amazing offense at Oregon and he have really good 692 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and really good backs. He never had any receiver 693 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: close to what he's got in this room now, I 694 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: mean nothing. He's got good slot receiver, He's had some 695 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: good tight nothing like this, And I think it's going 696 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: to be an interesting transition. You know, it's not like 697 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: he has CJ. Stroud at quarterback. Will Howard's good, but 698 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: like it's not. I can't imagine what they would be 699 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: unfair if CJ still is in Columbus with the receivers 700 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: they have and the running backs they have. 701 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 2: I feel like if D Anthony Thomas had another D 702 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 2: Anthony Thomas on his shoulders, That's what I. 703 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: Mean. 704 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 3: Do you think Thomas was going? That's fascinating. Last one 705 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 3: for me, Bruce, Who is the team that no one 706 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 3: is talking about but we need to pay close attention to. 707 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: So I are people talking to about nationally about Tennessee? 708 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 2: No, No, okay, I got a big one this week. 709 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: You know, DJ, I thought when you started talking about 710 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: saying talking to you about scouts, you were talking to 711 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: some of the feedback. I remember early on this year. 712 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: It might have been in training camp a buddy of 713 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 1: mine who's a Scout. I'd said, yeah, I just came 714 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: through Tennessee and he was started talking about the defensive 715 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: guys right Sorely. Yeah. I mean, you know, you have 716 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: one guy in there. I don't know how heavy he is. 717 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: He came in at you know, too, twenty or two 718 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: o eight. Now he's two forty eight or whatever. You 719 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: have like guys who can run like the wind, they're 720 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: they're a big upgrade. I'm curious to see what Nico. 721 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: You know, Nico Ima Leava. I think that's nice, right, 722 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: you know, like Bucky, I imagine you saw a bunch 723 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 1: of them in high school. Right, he's from Downey And. 724 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't even play his last year, but he 725 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 3: was so good, like so good. When you watch him 726 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 3: at Tennessee, he's exactly how they used to talk about 727 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,040 Speaker 3: because he's kind of a legend in these parts. In 728 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,240 Speaker 3: terms of what he was able to do. He's terrific 729 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 3: and he's even better than I ever imagined. Watching him 730 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 3: at Tennessee. 731 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 1: Paid eight million dollars made a big bet. This being 732 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: the collective. You know, remember when they did this, like 733 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: Josh Pipe had his first year that were seven and six, 734 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: so it wasn't like they were rolling. That kind of 735 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: kid probably not getting out of Southern California's six six 736 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: now he's two fifteen. Was a great volleyball player. I 737 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,919 Speaker 1: don't know where he would have gone, but I doubt 738 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,919 Speaker 1: it would have been to Knoxville. And then the next year, 739 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: you know, he had a hendon hooker what's his name 740 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: from the Giants who can run with the win. 741 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 2: Milton was there talking about wide receiver. 742 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, super fast receiver, you know, like they had weapons. 743 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: And then they won eleven games and finished number six 744 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden they're rolling. But I 745 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: think that was a big bet for them to go 746 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: all in, you know, spend, you know, pay eight million 747 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 1: dollars for a five star quarterback because the most more 748 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 1: times than not, those kids do not live up to it. 749 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: Now it's only been he's only had four starts, so 750 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,280 Speaker 1: who knows, But like looking really good. I think they're dangerous. 751 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: Our defense is really good, the running back is good. 752 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 1: You know, I'm interested them in them in Old Miss, 753 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't want to play them in the playoff, 754 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I think that's going to be 755 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: fun in the SEC. I don't know who is My 756 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: gut is probably Lane's team is a little more mature, 757 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: you know. They added a bunch of guys on both 758 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: sides of the ball and the trenches. I think, you know, 759 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: as we said before, Jackson Dart is way further along 760 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: than Nico is, you know. So I don't know those 761 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: are the two wild card teams, but I feel like 762 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,240 Speaker 1: more people because it's Lane, more people have been talking 763 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: about Old Miss as opposed to here's Tennessee kind of 764 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: sort of laying in the wind weeds. I mean, they've 765 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: blown out opponents. It's like one ninety one to thirteen 766 00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: this year. Crazy, that's been impressive. All right, Bruce, we've 767 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 1: taken too much of your time. You are the absolute best. 768 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: Anytime we can get you on, we love to have you. 769 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 2: Best of luck in Columbus, and we'll catch up with 770 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 2: you as we get a little further down the road. 771 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,439 Speaker 2: It's a pleasure, guys, Thanks for having me there, he goes, 772 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,760 Speaker 2: Bruce Feldman, the absolute best. Hope you guys, have enjoyed 773 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 2: hanging with us today. We'll see you next time, right 774 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 2: here on this day.