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Speaker 1: You know I'm a sneaker here, right, you know I

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Speaker 1: out Flight Club, chop it up with Nick on the

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Speaker 1: latest and greatest and trending and shoes. Y'all check this out? Ah,

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Speaker 1: what's up man? How you doing great? So they was

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Speaker 1: trying to give me. They were trying to give me notice,

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Speaker 1: and I had to quickly remind everybody but that this

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Speaker 1: is my show for its probably my favorite. Jordan shot

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Speaker 1: on e Loo he's right here, the black and reds.

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Speaker 1: You was that dude? If you had those? You feel me? Right?

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Speaker 1: This model right here was the first one I bought

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Speaker 1: on my own, and my mom thought I was dumb.

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Speaker 1: I'm crazy. I was at burri Keen at the time.

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Speaker 1: Shout to BK. You can have it, cho way, baby,

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Speaker 1: you can have it cho waight. My homeboy, who was

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Speaker 1: He was a little risk kid. Drakes ugly ass.

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Speaker 2: The only nine players in league history that had a

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Speaker 2: shoe series that went had on Mama Bottles, really, mj Ji, Kobe,

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Speaker 2: and then most recently Steph Curry.

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Speaker 1: I need a wall like this in the Crier. I

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Speaker 1: gotta put a wall in front of this wall. Who's

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Speaker 1: been dead? Ash? I want to let nobody test nothing

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Speaker 1: in here like club? When'd y'all get this idea to

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Speaker 1: put the shoes on the wall like this? I went

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Speaker 1: over to Japan and had to break dance again. I

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Speaker 1: what just happened when there was a real battle walked

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Speaker 1: on me in battle, Yo, collap is important? Oh yeah today?

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Speaker 2: I mean this whole wall right here is collapsed. This OVERO,

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Speaker 3: Sup Price, Damn say word where Cory Rax for some shoes?

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Speaker 3: Damn fifteen in this when walkin the flight club is this?

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Speaker 3: I feel like a whole little kid coming in here.

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Speaker 3: And that's why you love coming in steaker stores all

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Speaker 1: iPad ship, I can't. I need to feel my shit.

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Speaker 1: I needed I need to smell my shit, right, I

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Speaker 1: need to damn being my You know what I'm saying

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Speaker 1: the fun now, I'm not an iPad God, you put

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Speaker 1: on fresh teams. You need to put the teams on them.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm to them from the

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Speaker 1: old country. Man. First off, its great to see you, man.

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Speaker 1: I see all the stuff you're doing. Man, it's do fuck.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to my homie over the way over here.

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Speaker 1: You know, he was talking about Morris Blackman. Okay, it's

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Speaker 1: talking about how Morris Blackman put commercials on the map. Yep.

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Speaker 1: I think I said Morse black Men than him. And

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Speaker 1: then he shot back, He's like, what about the weapons

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Speaker 1: member conversion? I ran and right with the envy, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh so it got need to thinking. Man,

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Speaker 1: Just let's go back in history a little been like, what

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Speaker 2: So I consider the Converse weapon the first to bring

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Speaker 1: To that touch. So first time seeing street culture other

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Speaker 2: But my era is really the Zoom Flight ninety fives,

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Speaker 1: to me, that was more fun. Do you think that

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Speaker 2: Because I don't know how much he you know, sometimes

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Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna be stuff like that that's

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Speaker 2: Obviously you were with Antwa, but they got I would

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Speaker 1: You started out there a little bit. It was a

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Speaker 2: I didn't even realize they had like ninety six hundred

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Speaker 1: Like the volume was crazy. My draw to answer was

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Speaker 1: And when I got to Adidas, THETAS was really a

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Speaker 1: in today's stuff. I know, since you got the curry

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously he was a Nike first, right, and

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Speaker 1: Yep, we're gonna kick this bottom way. They're not this

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Speaker 2: And so for him, it's like they took the bet

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Speaker 2: this last spring. He's now president Curry brand. He's running

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Speaker 2: that whole thing. They're going to be signing athletes as well.

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, shoe wise, like you know, they

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Speaker 1: a more realistic structured TV these days, not just so

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Speaker 2: They know, like the MJ thing is like going to

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Speaker 2: be impossible to replicate. Like I think MJ's at like

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Speaker 2: almost seven billion now, which is bigger than the whole

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Speaker 1: So I think, which is crazy right today today is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think from Steph's angle, it's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: Maybe they can get it to a billion, but they

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Speaker 1: Think about this too, man. You know when stuff came

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Speaker 2: Zoom Flight ninety five for sure, remember the hyper flights

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Speaker 1: So you're like lighter zooms, like you're more you more,

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Speaker 2: So, like my favorite thing is untold stories. Right, So

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Speaker 1: But but when they poured that, when they pulled the

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Speaker 2: So at that point it was probably what season four

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Speaker 1: build a shoe. I actually start wanting to go to

433
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,520
Speaker 1: these factors and see how my shoe was being built.

434
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 1: And you know, Nike had a uh, not the best

435
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,000
Speaker 1: reputations for how they was making shoes, the way they

436
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,399
Speaker 1: was making a map, and they cleanked it up just

437
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 1: by letting players go in, you know, do the insight,

438
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 1: go in and see it for themselves, you know what

439
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like it it says something for us to

440
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,199
Speaker 1: speak on that experience and for it to not be

441
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,120
Speaker 1: what's out here. So it helped. But then being part

442
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,200
Speaker 1: of that, man, you learn last you learn how shoes

443
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:44,120
Speaker 1: come together, the glues, everything. Man. I appreciate my time

444
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 1: with the Swoosh Man. It was a very educated experience,

445
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 1: so much that I was able to take that experience

446
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,439
Speaker 1: and go to different places and have a no, no, no,

447
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 1: I don't want that. I want that dinna done on this.

448
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 1: I don't put you know what I'm saying. You know,

449
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 1: I was creating director at the Air one for a

450
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 1: little bit for about three years. What happened with that? Uh? Covid?

451
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 1: Ah yeah, covid. COVID hit everybody like you know, like

452
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 1: like Mike Tyson and the business kind of you know, physic.

453
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 1: But that was a dope experience too. What are the

454
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 1: trending shoes? Man? Man? LaMelo's on fire right now. Really

455
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 1: he makes some hot ship though. I like young Fellow,

456
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 1: Young fella, he's saucy.

457
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 2: If you're in middle school, you want to be loud

458
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 2: out there, He's got like the crazy loud colors you

459
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,400
Speaker 2: saw like the Ricky Morty where like got the red

460
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: with the neon. So he's right now. He's been doing

461
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 2: really well.

462
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 1: He makes dope shoes too, man, Yeah, who else has

463
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 1: a dope show that that that you're looking for that's

464
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 1: coming up the ship.

465
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 2: The line's been a little up and down, but I

466
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 2: really like the Heart and seven, the last one.

467
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if you see those, you know what.

468
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him up close always. I always see

469
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: him in colors. He went like super like it feels

470
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 1: like something like Prada or something that hid designer would

471
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 1: do right. And it almost looks like a Bugatti how

472
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: it like wraps around. I haven't seen it, but on

473
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 1: his foot it looks crazy.

474
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 2: From those are fresh and I and some of the

475
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 2: hardens before that, I wasn't crazy. And then the one

476
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 2: that's coming is the ant shoe. Oh yeah and Edwards, Yeah,

477
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 2: he got like that fresh like so that's probably immediately

478
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 2: one of the best Adidas shoes they've done. Really yeah,

479
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna put that in the top ten, like

480
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 2: off top wow.

481
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: So and they've had up and down on some.

482
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 2: Stuff, you know, but but for me, the a Edward's shoe,

483
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,719
Speaker 2: like if they can't get that to work, then that's

484
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 2: another conversation.

485
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: I've always liked Adidas collapse with Derrick Rose. The Rose

486
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 1: has always been solid, He's never made a bump shoe.

487
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 1: I've always liked the stuff they do with Beckham and

488
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 1: all the stuff, the soccer stuff. I've always wish they

489
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 1: would take some of that spirit and bringing them to

490
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: But the DDAs is so big, they got so much too.

491
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 1: I wish they would throw some of the Why three

492
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: interact some of the you know.

493
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 2: Why three Basketball did a Y three shoe with James

494
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 2: in like twenty sixteen.

495
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: Really what it look like? It was four hundred bucks.

496
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: It just kind of came and went.

497
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 2: Really Yeah, they were a little out there, but I

498
00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 2: love the why three stuff.

499
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: So you asked me about the business of basketball. A

500
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: lot of these kids actually in tune with the business

501
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: of basketball, and I know the business have changed a

502
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 1: lot too. Talk a little bit about the current of

503
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 1: signature shoes. Who has Them's not what they used to be.

504
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 2: So this season will be the most signature shoes on

505
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 2: the court for any for any season. Twenty three twenty

506
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 2: three signature three players spread it through how many brands,

507
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: ten brands, ten brands. Yeah, so that's you know, Nike

508
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: under Armor indeed is Rebok or not rebocked, but Puma.

509
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: And then you have your Chinese brands like Leaning and

510
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 2: Peek and Anta and Austin Reeves with Rigor, so you've

511
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 2: got you got a wide spectrum. But twenty three guys,

512
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 2: which is a lot?

513
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: Wow? Is that the most ever? Most ever? Wow? Yeah?

514
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 2: Back in the late nineties you had like Alonzo Morning,

515
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: Tim Hardaway, like some guys had like some one off shoes,

516
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: so it was like seventeen or eighteen players that season,

517
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: But twenty three is a lot wow.

518
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Who do you have as the top five in

519
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 1: that twenty three as your best? Are your favorite fucking best?

520
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: This is all a pin intotional fuck, y'all ain't feeling

521
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

522
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 2: So the top five business wise is probably Lebron Giannis Steph.

523
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: So these are KD and then wherever Kyrie is gonna

524
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: end up landing, right, it's probably going to be in

525
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 2: that mix. I think off top again, but I think

526
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 2: Lamello is right there.

527
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: He's coming. Yeah, he has that young LaMelo has the

528
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: young g Z behind him.

529
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: Right, and then the guy that I'm gonna be curious

530
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: to see what he does because his new shoe is

531
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: totally different than the last few, and now he's on

532
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 2: the Bucks. But I'm curious to see what Dame does.

533
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: He was wearing something last night. I saw him in

534
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: the Lakers.

535
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in the day Mates again, which he wore

536
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 2: last year as well. But the Nines that he's got coming,

537
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: I think are a whole different vibe.

538
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 1: It's almost like a skate shoe vibe. It's a little different.

539
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: Are the anticipation of these drops in these shoes still

540
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: the same as they were yesteryear? Are kids outside? I

541
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: don't know, Man, hold on here, you answered, hold on,

542
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: let me get it out. Man, Goddamn, I've seen kids

543
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: around the corner. And you know, I'm even thinking with y'all,

544
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: like you know, it ain't music, They ain't on the drops, bro.

545
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 2: Like so when we were coming up whatever, the newest Saturday,

546
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 2: the newest shoe, like that was the thing if you

547
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: were on East Bay and it said like discontinued style,

548
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: like you didn't want the old shit like it was old.

549
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: It was an outlets at that point.

550
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: Now everything's different, like we're here at Flight Club, La

551
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: and like almost everything on the wall is from you know, five, ten,

552
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: twenty years ago sometimes, So I think it's a little

553
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: different in that regard where all the new shoes are

554
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: competing with kids that could buy any shoe from any

555
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 2: year on a couple of clicks, right, So that part

556
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 2: is totally different, Like if I want the new Lamellos

557
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 2: or what if I want some dunks. So I think

558
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 2: the competition of it all has changed too. And if

559
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: you're a brand and you're a guy that has a

560
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: signature shoe, like it's that much more pressure to like

561
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: have the right campaign, have the right design, have the

562
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 2: right rollout to really capture that audience. Otherwise we see

563
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: some shoes they launch and like the very next week,

564
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: it's like they're out of mind already, like they're out

565
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: of sight.

566
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: But the dope part about a shoe to me, and

567
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: I've told marketing people this, it's only one LaMelo. So

568
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: so that's your campaign there. You don't focus on who

569
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 1: hates LaMelo, you don't focus on who ain't feeling LaMelo.

570
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: You focus on LaMelo and his and who fucking we

571
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: that's the campaign. I think sometimes man shoes get too

572
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: gimme key, it'd be so much on the gimmicks of

573
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: the shoe that you forgot who shoe it was and

574
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: why to wear it. You know. I like what Yay

575
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: did man when Ye came out. Man, he brought back

576
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: James to be you know, functional with your every day

577
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: to be able to wear it in corporate America. He

578
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: walked in the meeting with a tie in a And

579
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, the backpack on with with

580
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: jury on the Jesus Beast with Jordan's on and laid

581
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: down a cold you know what I'm saying, like campaign

582
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: on how we're gonna come out with this part. So

583
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: I just listen, the world is changing as it should.

584
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm watching the wave and how we see shoes. Are

585
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: you seeing more interest in the past and shoes versus

586
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: what shoes are coming out? Yeah?

587
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: And I think that's part of it too, is like

588
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: the last five years basketball shoe sales been down a

589
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: little in terms of like performance shoes. So it's like

590
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: the brand that could kind of unlock that code. Like

591
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: that's the thing I liked about that hard and seven,

592
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: Like I actually wear that shoe on purpose just walking around, right,

593
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: And you don't necessarily say that about a lot of

594
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: new hoop shoes. So I think when brands could kind

595
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: of build out more of like that hybrid look where

596
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: it's not just like this is my hoop shoe and

597
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 2: I'm going to go to the gym in it. Like

598
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 2: that's where you could have some stuff that extends off court.

599
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 2: And like we've seen that with a little with La Mellow.

600
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: We've seen that with some guys. Obviously Jordan's have always

601
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: had that dynamic, But that's the piece I think that

602
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: brands are having a hard time figuring out.

603
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: Are you seeing capsules being dropped with these shoes too,

604
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: like you know, Top Sweats, Tea's.

605
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 2: Head parrol wise, Yeah, merch not as much my capsule. Yeah,

606
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: the Mellow stuff has a lot of apparel coming. Good

607
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: Sabrina you know, has has all kinds of hoodies and

608
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: stuff coming. But I know, like signature apparel has been

609
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: down a little and brands are more so having stuff

610
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 2: like you see, Nike got a tech Flee in like

611
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: forty colors, so they'll match it up with tech flee

612
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: stuff rather than like the Yanni's signature apparel you know,

613
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: so so different should Yeah, I remember that was like

614
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: a big thing for you when you went to a one.

615
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: Right, capsules, because back then, you know everybody's dressing, how

616
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: they dressing. Bringing it back right, talk about you know

617
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Sometimes you don't even see somebody's feet.

618
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: You see you see that, you know. So from that perspective,

619
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: I was always weird about having my name on stuffs,

620
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: me wearing with garnet. I'm looking at it, you know

621
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Pee walking around with truth on his

622
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: chest all the time. I mean, you know what I'm saying.

623
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, to who's his own? But yeah, I think

624
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: you should though for shure, I think you should. I

625
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: think merch unless you got something in the closet that

626
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: custom or something that goes back to whatever you rock.

627
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: And are you familiar with the Nike story of how

628
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: Nike tapped into the culture, because we all know the

629
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: run DMC story right then DMC collaborated with Adidas, a

630
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: lawyer about the name of Rob something I'm going to

631
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: blank on. This name was and I think indirectly responsible

632
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: for a lot of the cultural stuff. And he was

633
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: at a party in which he met Aaron being Rock

634
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: Kim Rock Kim the God who was like a crazy MC,

635
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: and he convinced him to wear this Nike sweatsuit in

636
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: the I Moved the crowd. That was the first time

637
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: he was able to how much of a shoe culture

638
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: blends with hip hop, would you.

639
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: Say, man, especially with the b in the fifties anniversary, Right,

640
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: you can kind of see all the chapters. So like

641
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: you start with run DMC and Rock Kim, like you said,

642
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: the gods of it, and then I think you get

643
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: to like the early two thousands when air Force one

644
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: song came out. Now all of a sudden, jay Z

645
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: had his own rebox shoe, like just everything changed me.

646
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: And then I think you go to like the early

647
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: twenty tens, and it became the artist maybe was bigger

648
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: than the players, Like you could say Kanye overtook Lebron

649
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: in a sense, and Yeezy's were almost as big as

650
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: the signature shoes. And then from there he built his

651
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: own brand with Adidas. So there's kind of the little

652
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: little steps where it went from like you're wearing stuff

653
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: in music videos, We're giving you a shoe, so now

654
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 2: you have your own brand, and like each of those

655
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 2: ten years, it was a big, big step up across.

656
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: The way, would ya be the Jordan of artists? Oh

657
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: for sure?

658
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: Facts, Yeah, obviously that shit fizzled out as bad as

659
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: it could go. But at the peak of it, he

660
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: was that right.

661
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: When you hit the LIFs, mister Broer, Yeah, it hits own.

662
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have you know, Travis and all these

663
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: other guys around, But it's those are more colorways. Those

664
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: are more one offs, like the design and ideas he

665
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: was bringing to it, Like he had this whole phrase

666
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: about like I'm building Rome, I'm not just building a shoe,

667
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: like he was building a whole brand around it, And

668
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 2: that just went to a whole other level.

669
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: When I'm watching Travis and I'm watching a lot of

670
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: the different artists that come out with shoes. First off,

671
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,239
Speaker 1: they got some dope ideas, but it feels like a

672
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: signature shoe doesn't feel like a brand, doesn't feel like

673
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: I feel like when Kanye's building something, he's given me

674
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: a brand similar to what Curry's building. With the emergency

675
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: of the big man. What happens? You thought big men

676
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: shoes did well because of the scottiness or the size

677
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: or big men are not cool.

678
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: So you Jannis kd are like the only three guys

679
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: at that height.

680
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: I know you won't say you're seven foot probably, but

681
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: you no, I'm seven foot, Like am off only when

682
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: you asked me before jump ball, you ask me and

683
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: my seven foot I can't say it. I'm gonna give

684
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: you an accurate answer off the jump I can't just

685
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: been honest. But that's the only three guys that.

686
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: Like, the shoe wasn't a big man's shoe either, Like

687
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: I think it's the style of the shoe.

688
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: Also, like it's the style of the play you guys had.

689
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: But then the shoes were still like quick and like

690
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: you said, light Barkleys, Barkley's did well. Barker's had a

691
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: nice Barkley had an actually a fucking killer. He had

692
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: a nice But Chuck is what six ' six, but

693
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: he was Chuck is a big man, That's what I'm saying.

694
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he he was also like like for him and

695
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: Shack to have any success, they had like a larger

696
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: than life personality and they had like the role model

697
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: commercial like they had like some different stuff coming in.

698
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: Whereas you know, some of the big men like w

699
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: Tumbo had one shoe that was solid, but it was

700
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: hard to really sustain that, Like we've seen some other

701
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: guys come up and back and it's just like, I

702
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: don't know, it's just hard because if you're ten to

703
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 2: fifteen years old, like you want to go out front

704
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: and do the moves that that guy is doing. You're

705
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: not doing the jump hooks necessarily.

706
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: Right, you had to run. He's the biggest college player

707
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: ever in New York.

708
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: Like I think that that was, Like, you know, the

709
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: market helps for sure, So I think there's always different variables.

710
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: Like I always kind of say with shoes, you kind

711
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: of have like four variables.

712
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: And you need to have three of them.

713
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: Like the player has to be somebody that you want

714
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: to emulate. The playing style helps. The shoes got to

715
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: be fresh, great design.

716
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: I would go like that, the shoes got to be friends.

717
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: Hopefully the team is winning and they're having a good season.

718
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: That matters, and then it's got to be a good price,

719
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: Like the value of the price gotta be right. And

720
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: if you can get three of those four, you got shot.

721
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: If you get like only two of them, maybe it's

722
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: not gonna work. And if you have like you know,

723
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: you can look at the cases of all four, like

724
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: AI with the question and the answers, you know a

725
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: lot of the Jordans, some of the Kobe stuff, like

726
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: Kobe Four's where he's in the finals against you guys,

727
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: Like that's where it's rare and feud and far between,

728
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: but that's where you get like that lightning in a bottle.

729
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: First time you heard someone got shot over some shoes?

730
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: What did you think?

731
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated had the Jordan five's on the cover. That

732
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: was like a big moment. And we had a forty

733
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: dollars budget in middle of elementary school, so I didn't

734
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: have Jordan's growing up. But my mom was like, I

735
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: think that was like the next level of like, yeah,

736
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: you're definitely not getting Jordan's if that's where this is

737
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: going scary.

738
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it was wild. I remember having a job,

739
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, I can take my live checking, you know

740
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: what I mean. And I remember my mom saying like, nah,

741
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: like I noise your money, but safety is everything in that.

742
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: And actually because I'm living in it and I'm I'm

743
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood, you know what I'm saying, And you

744
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: know we're going to school and yeah, first time I

745
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: heard someone get hurt over some shoes, that made go

746
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: what like like what I can get hurt, I can

747
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: get hurt over the days. Yeah, his first three peet

748
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: run like that's when that whole thing started coming up.

749
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: And then when I was in high school, the drops

750
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 1: were always on Wednesdays. The whole school would leave Wednesday morning,

751
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: come back at lunch, and they moved it always to

752
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: Saturday after that.

753
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: So his drops have been on Saturdays ever since because

754
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: Jordan's used to always come out on Wednesdays.

755
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: When we ever see an impact like that again in shoes, I.

756
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: Don't know, because everything was new, Like Jordan eleven was

757
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: like pat and leather on a basketball shoe, like you know,

758
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 2: all the carbon fiber and then you know, the marketing

759
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: was kind of new at the time, and he was

760
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 2: just so aspirational from the way he played, like there's

761
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: other players that have had great success, but it was

762
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 2: never like anybody hitting that all times on one cylinder,

763
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: like across the board like that.

764
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: Thank He's genius to me in marketing is that they

765
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: gave the perception that if you wear these shoes, you

766
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: can play like Michael Jordan marketing one on one talk

767
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: about how nil has changed the whole campaign and just

768
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: changed everything of everything. So I've been.

769
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: Covering shoe deals for a while and this is by

770
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: far the most exciting time because you got, like we said,

771
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: Angel Resa LSU right.

772
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: Shot Angel Reese doing the things LSU.

773
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: So the top three players at LSU all have shoe

774
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: deals not with Nike. So like Haley van Lidt is

775
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 2: Adidas flags with Puma, and now Angel's gonna be a rebox.

776
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: Okay, so hold on. So the days when you had

777
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: to come in with Sean with Duke and Duke probably

778
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: has like three four different Nikes in and out, or

779
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: Kentucky got the whole different joint, or Jordan got that

780
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: tar Hill's a whole new spread. The players have their

781
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: own deals.

782
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: Now they still gotta wear Nike in the games, so

783
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: they got to wear the team issue stuff for the game.

784
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: So in the game, I'm rocking Tar Hill stuff or

785
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: Georgetown or whatever. But then when I'm outside of my stuff,

786
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm on Puma or whatever.

787
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: And that's what's great about nil. These players got a

788
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: million followers on Instagram. So Haley van Litt is debuting

789
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: like the Gucci Adidas collection, Flage is doing all kinds

790
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,479
Speaker 2: of stuff with Puma. You know, we're gonna see Angel

791
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: doing stuff with Rebok Like that part of it is

792
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: totally new, And I mean at the end of the

793
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: day too, it's like, obviously players in the league are impactful,

794
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 2: but from a women's basketball standpoint, like they're probably three

795
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: of the most influential women's basketball players on the planet,

796
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 2: and they're all like twenty years old, right, So that

797
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: part of it, like NL is at the perfect time

798
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: because now a brand could really activate tell their story,

799
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 2: put out some stuff for them even though they can't

800
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: wear it in the game necessarily, they could still be

801
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 2: promoting and pitching that.

802
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: That's fun to me. Probably more bigger brands are now

803
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: killing a lot of these big budgets, chopping them down,

804
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: probably going to more multiple nil.

805
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: Deals, right Definitely, I think the nil deals are going

806
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: to start to squeeze out some NBA guys right, Like,

807
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: there's probably seventy five to one hundred guys in the

808
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: league that don't have a shoe deal.

809
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: Right now, I was gonna talk, I was gonna my

810
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: next question was to book a business in the NBA. Yep,

811
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: that's great, go ahead.

812
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: So I think that's where it's going to get different

813
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: because I don't have to send a bunch of money

814
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: sign a guy that's ninth or tenth on the bench.

815
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: If I could go and sign Page Beckers at Yukon,

816
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 2: Caitlyn Clarkett, you know, Iowa things like that. So I

817
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: think the brands is forcing them to get more creative,

818
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 2: try a different model.

819
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: See what's going to happen. Saving money. I think they're

820
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: still spending it, just other ways. But I'm saying versus

821
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: a ten million dollar budget, I can take a million

822
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,479
Speaker 1: and go to yeah and get ten hundred.

823
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, you can maybe spend the

824
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: money in a better way.

825
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. More, that's what I'm saying, more effective,

826
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: and too. You're starting to see kind of college how

827
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: that buzz like it used to have back in early nineties.

828
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: I would say college was probably more exciting than the NBA. Young,

829
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: Chris Jackson, Young, Shack Young. You know, I'm just I'm

830
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: saying all these things to just times where I was

831
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: watching college basketball just as much as I was watching

832
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: the NBA. Seems like the women's college game has more

833
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: momentum than the men's. Are you saying the same things?

834
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: Definitely, And that's because the familiarity, Like Stanford's whole team

835
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: is there, LSU's team is coming back. Like, guys aren't

836
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 2: going one and done on the women's side, right, So

837
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: they're staying for three years. Caitlyn Clark might end up

838
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: staying for a fifty year because of the COVID year

839
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: she's got. So you get to just follow them over

840
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: time and really like get built in. And I think

841
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 2: that's what was great about like that Fab five UNLV,

842
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: like that whole chapter, it was like you were really

843
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 2: following these guys in their.

844
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: Schools and Shorty can play, she's nice. Yeah, and I

845
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: heard these girls are making more money in college than

846
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: they would be if they was in the WNBA in

847
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: some cases.

848
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, like for the top ten players in college, they

849
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: are probably making more right now than if they went

850
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 2: to the w.

851
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: Just yet, I asked somebody this question. This ain't really

852
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: gotten nothing to do with nothing, But how far would

853
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: you say, and just you know you've been around us

854
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: for a while, how far do you think we are

855
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: from a structure where colleges can come back and try

856
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: to resign their own players two three year deal, say

857
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: it's gonna be an option to where say, like you're

858
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: in college, you say going forward, you got g League,

859
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: you got WNBA, you got a minor league, and then

860
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: you have a major league or you have Spanish on it,

861
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 1: which is a much your major leagues in other countries.

862
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, for the most part, these girls make

863
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: money in WNBA and then the Russian League since to

864
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: bringing grinding stuff. I think the Russian stuff kind of

865
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: Turkey infh'sn't out. That was a huge part of those girls' financials.

866
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: That money's going to get allocated somewhere now. And Juise,

867
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: I think I heard her say this, Ah, I'm making

868
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: more money in college and doing less than I would

869
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: in the WNBA. So I'm just configuring that from college

870
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: and guess what, we're winning. Our teams have been together

871
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: five years. That's saying something. So the investment has been made.

872
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: How far do you think are we from college coming

873
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: up with a new structure for players to be a

874
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: little longated or stay at college for four or five

875
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: years longer.

876
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: I think that if you're a top star in college,

877
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: like you're going to stay all four years and you

878
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 2: have to stay three to be draft eligible, which is

879
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: different too. With the w you can't go one and done.

880
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: You got to play three years, but a lot of

881
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 2: them are just going to stay a fourth year. And

882
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: then I think the new TV deal in the W

883
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: is probably going to like either triple or quadruple to

884
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: where they will make a ton more on the W side.

885
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: And then I don't know if you've seen but Brianna

886
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 2: Stewart and the Feast of Collier trying to launch their

887
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: own league.

888
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: I've seen that, and it's going to be like.

889
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 2: Thirty players, the top players. They'll play like three on three,

890
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: one on one, all kinds of like unique formats kind

891
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: of that. I think they're going to have like a

892
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: whole new format and how to get sponsors in on that.

893
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: How you you know, maybe you can make a million

894
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: off of that. So I think that's going to be

895
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: a thing where maybe you won't go play overseas and

896
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: you'll play in that. They're going to play it in

897
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 2: like Miami, so it'll be nice and you know, that

898
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 2: could be a whole new front here that's a different,

899
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 2: like something we never seen before.

900
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: I wins basketball. Wow, that's crazy. The basketball game used

901
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: to be out, you know, guys playing outside. How much

902
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: of I think that's part of basketball culture, But how

903
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: much of outdoors and playing outdoors having kicked someone at

904
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: the court, does that even mean something? To show up

905
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: with some dope fresh kicks don't mean shit. I think

906
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: it's different. Man. These kids got it nice.

907
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 2: They're all in the gyms, they all got a trainer,

908
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 2: they're all doing you know, dribble drills.

909
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: On Conso, like we used to just.

910
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: Go to the park and play from twelve to four

911
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: and play against grown men, and that's not really a

912
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: thing anymore.

913
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

914
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: So when you think of brands like Reebok has above

915
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: the rim, which is like the outdoors you know, basketball

916
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: shoe and one obviously is outdoors for the most part.

917
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: But how many people are really playing outdoors in the park.

918
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: I don't know. Very little. Yeah, that's that's gone away,

919
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: I think done. I think so a big part of

920
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: how we saw basketball, a big part of how we celebrated,

921
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: a big part of you know, I'm watching in the

922
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: corner right here with some fly ass fours on right

923
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: That told you a lot about who was coming on

924
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: the court. Yep. Then I see a little cat like

925
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: Nate here come in here with some hose in his jone.

926
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: They have a sock out. You know you you know

927
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: you're just seeing them. You know Nate, you know he

928
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But then Nate got that

929
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: pat you know, like he might be there to lock

930
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: up that short. So I'm saying to say that a

931
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: lot of the commercials to culture when you watch some

932
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: of them and one commercials, when you watch some of

933
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: the mixtape stuff, when you watch some of the Nike

934
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 1: stuff with the with the dribble on beat and alone

935
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: going into all of this.

936
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, like the commercial for these, you're playing against

937
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: like the gardener, like the random people coming off the sideline,

938
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: like that was an outdoor commercial.

939
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: I called these to Bruce Wayne's man. These was like

940
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: they gave me these on on on the night and

941
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, usually got a practice in. I played the

942
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: spurs and some white and some and some white and

943
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: black ones. Listen, this is this is probably look this

944
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: shoe had. Technically, no, I was not supposed to wear

945
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: this shoe technically, but this shoe was one of the

946
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: lightest and one of the coldest. This I felt like

947
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: I was Batman and this shit. We got to be

948
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: by the spurs and them ships. Man. I got these

949
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: at the crib. This is one of my favorite studio.

950
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: But that was, like you said, commercial wised like it's

951
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: a high performance indoor shoe, but you took it to

952
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: our outdoor park for the commercial, which was a whole

953
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: different vibe for us.

954
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: Man, Joe, I just, man, some of the things that

955
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: brought us to Love Yesteryear are just kind of dying out.

956
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: But you know, a lot of the spirit that goes

957
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: into these shoes come from basketball culture, being outside and

958
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: a lot of this spirit comes from, you know, being

959
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: playing against the no name guy, the homeless guy that

960
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: you you know what I'm saying, or the guy that

961
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: just got a name on the street. Man can't remember

962
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: five most iconic commercials time in your opinion.

963
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 2: Little Penny comes to mind right away. I just because

964
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: Penny himself was kind of quiet, so for them to

965
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: bring up that alter ego, it was like the perfect balance.

966
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: That's why they created a little Penny. Little Penny. The

967
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: real Penny had more to say, but it's more kind

968
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: of reserved from or quiet, and so they did that

969
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: through you know, and Chris Rock did Little Penny.

970
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 2: Yep, the Jordan commercial where he's walking just down the

971
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: hallway to the game, but he's talking about.

972
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: Like I've failed over and over in my life and

973
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: that's why I succeed.

974
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: Because the one thing that was funny about that was

975
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: like MJ was the greatest, so you would never think

976
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 2: of him even failure, you know, or losing games or

977
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: missing shots. But that commercial made it relatable because if

978
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 2: you're a normal person, you're bricking shots, so you're missing,

979
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: you're losing. Now you could think I could actually get

980
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: to that level if I just stick with it. So

981
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: that was like a great insight from Nike's standpoint. I

982
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: loved like the light and the fun stuff. So like

983
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: the fun Police to me with like the yellow trench coats.

984
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: I don't know if you still got the trench coat,

985
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: but the trench coat, got the trench coat and the whole.

986
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: I got the whole.

987
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: I got the whole spread together up and put yeah,

988
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 1: I can't. I couldn't. I couldn't, you know what I'm saying.

989
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: So what was it like when they told you, like

990
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: we're gonna have you guys like going into a burning

991
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: house and that's how we're gonna sell some shoes.

992
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: First off, I thought it was genius to be able

993
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: to kind of jab at the establishment. Anytime I got

994
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: a chance to jab at stern or I got the

995
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: jab at like you know, the NBA as a corporate

996
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: then I took the opportunity. You know when they I

997
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: think the one one of my favorite, one of my

998
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: favorite parts of that. And they's like, uh, fans in

999
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: the fans and the rich people something in the cheap seats,

1000
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 1: fans into something something no no no no no no

1001
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: no no no no, And then you just look up

1002
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: and I think trum grasps the joint and it goes off.

1003
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: That was probably one of my favorites, just seeing in

1004
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 1: the room when they was like, oh, yeah, we're gonna

1005
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: hear starting Trump like Donald Trump, Like yeah, hmm okay

1006
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: as well, by the way, I was good saying it

1007
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: was a fun It was a fun time. I got

1008
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: to bring uh guys into it. Tim Hardaway, got to

1009
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,959
Speaker 1: bring some of my own person Trent. You got Gary

1010
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: Payton in it. Uh yeah. It was just a fun

1011
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: time to be able to bring all of all of

1012
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: our friends into it. My own personal friend Bug was

1013
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: in it. It was a good time.

1014
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: The other one that stuck out was the n one

1015
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: one where you're across from the table from yourself. The

1016
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: interrogation interrogation one, and that one I remember at the

1017
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: time was like kind of a big deal you were

1018
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: talking about like the contract and the playoffs all the

1019
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: other stuff.

1020
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: I had a I had a very emotional conversation with

1021
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: John Thompson that was on tape, and they want to

1022
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: tap into these two people that was that was kind

1023
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: of inside of me. You know what I'm saying, I'm

1024
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: a tourist, but for people who know me, I'll have

1025
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: Gemini ways. I don't know if that's a good thing

1026
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: or a bad thing, but but yeah, I would. You know,

1027
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: I'm a nice person in life as it results to

1028
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: life itself. But when we hit the court and it's

1029
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: a kiltic be killed, then yeah, you're gonna know what

1030
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: side I'm on. So in that whole banter, they came

1031
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: up with a campaign to where these two were interacting

1032
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: and one was speaking to the other and it was

1033
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: and it's kind of my chance to see it through

1034
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: both us like, oh, you know what I'm saying. But

1035
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: I thought it was dope and creative. You want to

1036
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: come outside of the box. A lot of stuff I

1037
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: was seeing just in Creations was kind of similar and

1038
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to do something that was different and it

1039
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: was edgy enough to go there with me and you know,

1040
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: be really edgy when you know what cool to be edgy.

1041
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: One of the things where I want to use styles

1042
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: p and another commercial because I love to play outside

1043
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: and they was like, you play outside and the rain man,

1044
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: the rain ain't shit, just warn ain't going life. So

1045
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: they you know, we was able to put together and stuff.

1046
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, anytime you're able to step outside of the

1047
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: box almost like those creations and people get it.

1048
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of more recent ones too, but

1049
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: like the one that stuck out that I didn't like

1050
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 2: it at first, but you were in it, The Brotherhood

1051
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: with Adidas.

1052
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was about more team Adidas was a

1053
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: Jesus's take was that things were becoming too more individual

1054
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: and you know, basketball ain't golf, it's not boxing, it's

1055
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: not some of the individual sports. Not shipping on none

1056
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: of them sports. But stop trying to be individual in

1057
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: a team sport and be about the team. And you

1058
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: know it's team first, and you know when team is

1059
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: put in place, the impossible, it is nothing. And that

1060
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: was the idea, and we wanted to almost have a camp,

1061
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: you know, because we felt like that was a dying

1062
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: breed and that thought and that understanding at least from

1063
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: younger kids on younger generations. They were going in a

1064
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: different direction and what we were seeing, and Adidas wanted

1065
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 1: to bring them back and really stand on it, making

1066
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: a campaign so much that they got all of us

1067
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: to participate, and that should be be that because we

1068
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: all come from that and that five you had.

1069
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 2: I remember it was Chauncey, gil T mac, you and

1070
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: Tim Timmy right now, we.

1071
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: Want to smoke too, because Nike was like all right, okay, okay,

1072
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: let's let's like let's play. Gave him like fifty million,

1073
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 1: and Adidas against and did that ever like the smoke?

1074
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:27,479
Speaker 1: No Nike. He didn't want no smoke period. Who would

1075
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: the Nike side have. I don't even know. We wanted it.

1076
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: We wanted all comers, Paul, you know what I'm saying,

1077
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: real shit, real ship. And then they came out with

1078
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: the Air Force joint. When they was on the joint,

1079
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: we wanted that. I don't cold that man. Y'all should

1080
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: have brought that over to where we was at.

1081
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 2: Because I'm looking at it, it would have been.

1082
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: Paul Kobe and maybe now I don't even know. They

1083
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: had like a million guys over there, you know what

1084
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We had five who want to jump out

1085
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: here and get some of this smoke. I couldn't get

1086
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: a call back, but thank you for this, Nick Man,

1087
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: last one for you. Oh what do you remember about this?

1088
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: What you got? What you got over there? The original

1089
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: listen and the real ship. I hated this what I

1090
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: hate to say, the shout, the kicks and the photographer

1091
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: new to this. I didn't. I hate. I hated pointing

1092
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: at myself. He's like, yo, can I get one of these?

1093
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: And I was like what And you took it? Look

1094
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: look look, God said it all like, and I gave

1095
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: him one and then I was off this like I'm

1096
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: not like he was like not the most natural post. No, no, no,

1097
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't into like anything that had to do with myself.

1098
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: So but I remember this cover. I have this cover.

1099
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: I have a damn that every cover I've been on

1100
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: I had to thank Slam and Kicks for this. Man.

1101
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: This is part of history right here. Man. This was

1102
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: like the first magazine that you can go through and

1103
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 1: find different kicks and different features. And this is when

1104
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 1: you know companies used to do ad campaigns and spreads

1105
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: like this. This is kind of a dying breathe right here.

1106
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: So this was the first ever sneaker magazine. I was

1107
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 2: thirteen when this came out. Same word, and this is

1108
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 2: why I write about shoes. Holy and I've been wearing

1109
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: a rubber band every day.

1110
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: You know what the rubber band come from, right, I

1111
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: got to give it to you, right, let's hear it.

1112
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: The rubber band comes from Dawn Stanley. Don Stanley, thank

1113
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: you very much for encouraging me. The rubber band is

1114
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: a sense of discipline. Yep, missed something, I didn't get

1115
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: a rebound, Gotta run again. Pop. So that was that

1116
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: was kind of my little right here, you feel me.

1117
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: I never snapped it, but like you were always wearing one,

1118
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 2: and then when I saw it on this that was

1119
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: like the reminder that always tied me back to that

1120
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 2: magazine doing Stanley.

1121
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, don't got to give it up. Where's supposed

1122
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: to be respect. That's awesome, Thank you, man, I appreciate it.

1123
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: This is great man flight club. Thank y'all, man, seriously,

1124
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: thank y'all for letting us come in here, man, one

1125
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: of my favorite places to get shoes at. Man, straight up,

1126
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: Flight Club ain't got it. It don't exist, payge, certify,

1127
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: we out. You know what I man, keep on, keep

1128
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: straight up. No, y'all got some heat in here. Just

1129
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: a couple just say look, I ain't got all day.

1130
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: Just a couple there. Hey, listen, you come to Flight Club,

1131
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: be careful, know what you want when you come in here.

1132
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: If not, these niggas gonna sell you two hundred pairs

1133
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: of shoes, You're gonna spend a million, like in seconds

1134
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: on right hand. I'm telling you, man, you come the

1135
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: Flight Club. Man, come in here knowing what you want. Leo,

1136
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: I come in here for these deeds and these let

1137
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: me get okay, let me show you all here and

1138
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: put these on here. And I walk out here like

1139
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: fifteen pairs of shoes. Man, That's what I told church,

1140
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: A church, just what I want right here, nothing else Church.

1141
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: But then I come in here, it's like six pairs

1142
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: of shoes I'm looking for. I ain't got time today,

1143
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go ahead and take a picture of

1144
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: my eyes and sit it and shit it back to

1145
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: you guys. Okay, I'm gonna sit these back. You know

1146
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Good looks these. So you talked about

1147
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: these the other day and then we got these two.

1148
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: But you talk about these the other day. So that's

1149
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: why I talked about these. Oh I was, I remember,

1150
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: I don't like I need a glout on. I don't

1151
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: want to ask you to test these with my hands.

1152
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, these are the rich grays right here, point

1153
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: shout the rich grain ooh, they got these and fifteen?

1154
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: What is this? This is what's the name of this?

1155
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: Photon dust? A photon dust? Listen, man, So I was

1156
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: telling a friend, thank you, Yeah, we're gonna put these up.

1157
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 1: Hold on, that's this story has to do with these.

1158
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: These are what I asked for. He's right here. Those

1159
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you just mentioned those, but those are just

1160
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: your life which once the is a cements? Is that cements? Well?

1161
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: My favorite four is the cements. These are great. Two Listen.

1162
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: I could go through my closet and show you ninety

1163
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: seven when I bought the cements. Oh one when I

1164
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: bought the cements. Four. I have like maybe seven pairs

1165
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: of of times where I bought the same shoe. Thank you,

1166
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: Jordan I don't know what what if I'm like elated

1167
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: or what. Yeah, something something's going on with me that

1168
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm buying the same shoe ever. Really yeah, I got

1169
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: like six of these, but probably like twenty five. Okay,

1170
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: so nothing's wrong with me. You have the same problem.

1171
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: I got a problem. Yeah, no, no, no, listen, one

1172
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: of these days, I don't know what day it's going

1173
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: to be, but you and I got to go through

1174
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: my shoe closet. I got a shoe closest in Minnesota.

1175
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: It's probably about yeah, about yeah, my shoe claws about

1176
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I don't even know. I've seen

1177
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 1: mellow Ship. I've seen mellow Ship. I was like, oh yeah,

1178
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: because mellow got shipped the Jordan game, you know what

1179
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, yeah, I got a bunch of yesteryear

1180
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: stuff that was. You know what I'm saying that my

1181
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: homeboy and my younger boys be like, oh man, relax,

1182
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 1: but let me know. Yeah, I would love to get

1183
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 1: your perspective on that, because I know you're the dawn

1184
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: of shoes, you know what I'm saying.

1185
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll have a lot of memories around each one

1186
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: and questions I can ask you got some of the

1187
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 2: old game war and stuff too.

1188
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: I do. I do. It's non collectible stuff, so I

1189
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: don't get any idea non your breaks. I see your

1190
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: wheels up and bopping ship. I remember eighty five, brother,

1191
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: remember that I was around in eighty five. But thank you, man.

1192
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: I can talk shoes all day, man, I can talk

1193
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: kicks and this ship all day. Man. I like actually

1194
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: being a shoe free agent. I was gonna ask you

1195
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: that too, man. Who are the shoe free agents out

1196
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: here that we that we I know Kyrie just left

1197
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: night right now in the league right now, is coming

1198
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: up in these past. Jayalen Brown Jaylen Brown Shoes Jalen

1199
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: Brown would be a good one for any brand. He

1200
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: might actually look to launch his own signature shoe really,

1201
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: kind of like what Big Baller brand did. Okay, t

1202
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: Mac has his own team. Mac is not with Adidas anymore.

1203
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: He started his own tam Max working on his own

1204
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: thing too. Yep. All the stick of deals like they

1205
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 1: used to be, meaning like guys can get six to

1206
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: seven year, seven year, seven figures, eight figures.

1207
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's probably six seven players making ten plus

1208
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: Oh really?

1209
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? Wow?

1210
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 2: You know between Lebron and Steph KD. James, you know,

1211
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 2: even Gianni's Dame, you know, Dame two, Like they're they're

1212
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 2: all ten plus.

1213
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: What about this new generation where Zion LaMelo? Really? Yeah?

1214
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: Did you still got to go to China? The China

1215
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: Tours do that? Yeah?

1216
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: I went with Klay Thompson one year. We went to

1217
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: eight cities in nine days. Answer with answer? Does it

1218
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: they rampant? And it being a million people?

1219
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: I thinks think Yeah, the smallest city went to was

1220
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: like six mill It was crazy. Yeah, that was my

1221
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: first time getting to see China and all this, all

1222
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: all this great cities. I didn't know some of these

1223
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: cities had cities that was bigger than New York. You know.

1224
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying begging in La But man,

1225
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: thank you man, thank you flight Club for letting us

1226
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: come through again. Man, I could talk all day. Let's

1227
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: do this again, bro, y'all. Let me know y'all want

1228
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: me to come back and do this again? All right?

1229
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: M hm