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Speaker 1: been exceptionally poor of late, he's here with us in
Speaker 1: the studio, but he's uh, he's unable to speak up
Speaker 1: right now because he's reading about he's preparing a little
Speaker 1: school report on a on a character named Hobo. He's
Speaker 1: preparing a little school he's going to deliver it to us,
Speaker 1: the equivalent of when your seventh grader does a links
Speaker 1: report and yeah, yeah, he's gonna it might be grade.
Speaker 1: He's gearing up to prepare us a little report on
Speaker 1: links that did did what's his name? Holdo are the
Speaker 1: links did an extraordinary little thing? Uh So that's that's
Speaker 1: why he's being quiet right now. And even you're righty
Speaker 1: to deliver your report to the to the to the audience,
Speaker 1: speak up, uh now. Another piece of housekeeping we have
Speaker 1: with us, Miles Nolt and Joel Surmelli and they have
Speaker 1: like an announcement. We do, but you have a decision
Speaker 1: to make. Um, Joe's not with us, he's over in Jersey,
Speaker 1: Eastern p A. But close enough, Joysy. Uh home, you're
Speaker 1: not at your house? No, I'm at my house. I'm
Speaker 1: a guy. But moved across the river for the tax break.
Speaker 1: So so you're you can look over at it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much. I I moved one step closer to America,
Speaker 1: as I like to say. So, uh um, Pennsylvania is
Speaker 1: better on the tax man. There is not as vicious.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, It's like it's like half get more house
Speaker 1: for your money and pay half the taxes by jumping
Speaker 1: the river. Does it kind of hurt your soul though,
Speaker 1: to have to claim p A because for as much
Speaker 1: as you love that Jersey, identity is lost there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I still just go with them from Jersey.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, but if you live here, man,
Speaker 1: you leave that close, you're kind of crazy to to
Speaker 1: not save the money and hop the river. Uh the river?
Speaker 1: You you can fish that river. I remember when Nice
Speaker 1: of fish the Delaware at the Pennsylvania New York line.
Speaker 1: I always thought that it was interesting that they allowed
Speaker 1: you to fish the river with either state's license, and
Speaker 1: they went above and beyond that and made this sort
Speaker 1: of simplified rules so that you didn't have that confusion
Speaker 1: of like you could keep on this bank of the river,
Speaker 1: you're allowed to keep like four large mouth bass or whatever.
Speaker 1: Hell right, but on this side of the river it's not.
Speaker 1: Or the season's open over here, but it's not open here.
Speaker 1: We still live on the St. Mary's River, which is
Speaker 1: between Michigan and Ontario. Holy sh it, the rules were
Speaker 1: vastly like everything was different. Oh yeah, and it was
Speaker 1: like this very arbitrary seeming line where what side of
Speaker 1: the river you were on everything changed, like the real
Speaker 1: major differences in REGs. It seems just like opening the
Speaker 1: door for people to take advantage of whatever reggs they
Speaker 1: want to abide. Yeah, there was a situation where some
Speaker 1: were sorry, remember I feel like we reported on this.
Speaker 1: Um Joe might remember. You might remember Miles that was
Speaker 1: a tournament bass angler fishing somewhere on the Mississippi had
Speaker 1: inadvertently crossed and into like waters where you weren't allowed
Speaker 1: to high grade fish or something like that. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was Brandon Palink that had happened to and he was
Speaker 1: he was like totally killing everybody, and uh, it was
Speaker 1: a technicality. He didn't realize he was doing something wrong.
Speaker 1: And I mean he manned up about it, he owned
Speaker 1: up to it. But he would have stomped that tournament
Speaker 1: didn't have something worth retaining. He like straight into the
Speaker 1: state's waters where you couldn't retain. Yeah, you weren't supposed
Speaker 1: to call you weren't supposed to have fish in your live. Well,
Speaker 1: I forget exactly. So is a lot of years ago.
Speaker 1: I forget exactly what it was. He's on the wrong
Speaker 1: side of some islands somewhere and in yep. So anyways,
Speaker 1: I always thought it was cool that New York of
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania were like, hey, you got your rules, we got
Speaker 1: our rules, but on this shared water, let's just make
Speaker 1: it that everybody's one license either side. Anywhere in the
Speaker 1: river you have one license. And then we agree that
Speaker 1: the river has its its rags and the river as rags,
Speaker 1: and we don't bring geopolitics into it in such a
Speaker 1: confusing fashion. Well it's funny though, because up north that's
Speaker 1: that's completely accurate, and I think all the legs are shared.
Speaker 1: But I live actually on the title section. So down here,
Speaker 1: like your license, you can access the river from either side,
Speaker 1: launch from either side, fish either bank. But like with
Speaker 1: the migratory fish stripers in particular, Jersey guys can't keep anything.
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania guys can actually keep one out of the river,
Speaker 1: but it all depends on which side you launch on,
Speaker 1: so you can't be sneaky about it. But with the
Speaker 1: migratory fish on the southern end, they legs are not
Speaker 1: exactly the same. Yeah, anyhow, you live over there, you're
Speaker 1: not in Jersey, but you're joining us in Pennsylvania. Now
Speaker 1: the decision you and uh, you guys gotta make. Uh
Speaker 1: you and Joe have to decide if you want to
Speaker 1: do your thing now your announcement. Right, we talked about it.
Speaker 1: Now you go about your business, do what you need
Speaker 1: to do, or you sit here, participate where it makes sense,
Speaker 1: and then do your announcement. I mean, I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: let's let's jump this at the front the front of
Speaker 1: the line. Right. Don't don't wait because she could go
Speaker 1: went south when something that should be done no time
Speaker 1: like the presidents, because you might wait and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden like Rick dies. I don't know that would
Speaker 1: change the whole, That would that would that would change
Speaker 1: the tenor was such a downer after Rick died? Like, Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, I think it's more like good news.
Speaker 1: You'll go on a two hour tangent. That's probably depends
Speaker 1: on because, as we're talking about earlier, depends on what
Speaker 1: kind of people are listeners are, because if it's the
Speaker 1: last thing they hear, they might then take that direct
Speaker 1: action after that's fresh in their mind. They can't take
Speaker 1: the direct action yet. It's a seed plant. It's just
Speaker 1: a little m hm. Oh, we're wrong. Crin's also going
Speaker 1: to dig a hole even deeper in frenzy emerging. As
Speaker 1: I was telling earlier, Crins are are few, are not
Speaker 1: quite there yet resident GMO Expert's. Everyone's along for the
Speaker 1: ride as Krinn becomes a subject matter expert on GMO
Speaker 1: strawberries and where they end an Arctic char begin tell
Speaker 1: me more. Yeah, let's say that later, but no for
Speaker 1: folks listening now, Oh I can, I can just going
Speaker 1: back to whatever you're doing, Joe and Miles, Crin, I'm
Speaker 1: going to delete that. Oh you know what, just uh, No,
Speaker 1: I'll pick up where I left. No, I think we
Speaker 1: should do this. Have Phil people now we're talking, we're
Speaker 1: still talking about if people can hear talking about it,
Speaker 1: but have Phil put up right, and then we'd still
Speaker 1: be talking about it now. But then you've been beeped.
Speaker 1: You create a lot of like enthusiasm for totally totally,
Speaker 1: Like at this point, people are like, by the time
Speaker 1: Joe pregnant again, by the time that folks are are
Speaker 1: hearing us speak the thing, we'll already be known. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think we had a book ended. Then how do
Speaker 1: you do that? Well? We we we give the big announcement,
Speaker 1: big reveal, and then a little little reminder like, hey,
Speaker 1: by the way, I remember that thing we said, you
Speaker 1: can do something about that. I'll put it in terms
Speaker 1: that you would be able to understand, Um, Miles, it
Speaker 1: would be that there's a stinger hook m yep, you
Speaker 1: got you got your main the body of the bait,
Speaker 1: and you realize that he also had the stinger. Throw
Speaker 1: the stinger in there like that stinger come at the
Speaker 1: end though, ye, So you know, if you've been paying attention,
Speaker 1: you already know that meat Eater has been doing a
Speaker 1: bunch of phishing stuff for the past year year and
Speaker 1: a half. Now we got we got doss Boat Season
Speaker 1: one out. We have dost Boats Season two coming very
Speaker 1: very soon. We have another little h ice fishing project
Speaker 1: in the works that won't be gone too long. So
Speaker 1: a bunch of video stuff, all the all the great
Speaker 1: stuff we do on on the website. And now we
Speaker 1: got a new podcast. Yes we do. You guys get
Speaker 1: to starting for free for free. Well yeah, no, it's
Speaker 1: not a paid podcast. I don't do they have those. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing it in. I don't know. Sweet deal,
Speaker 1: you don't even have. You do have to watch me
Speaker 1: do pitches about my underwear on Instagram to watch to
Speaker 1: get that free podcast. That's how this deal works. Well good, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think that's that's a price I can
Speaker 1: free media, free media, advertising, a free thing, more free
Speaker 1: media for meat Eater. For those of you who are
Speaker 1: even like mildly phishing, curious or hardcore fishing, we got
Speaker 1: a new podcast coming for you. And uh no, no
Speaker 1: offense to the whole like mediator podcast thing you guys
Speaker 1: have been doing here. It's great, but it's not just wandering.
Speaker 1: It is not going to be this. It is not
Speaker 1: going to be this at all. I'm really interested instead
Speaker 1: of you know, just throwing a few people in room
Speaker 1: letting him shoot the ship for hours on end. It's
Speaker 1: it's gonna be much tighter than that. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: mostly composed of short segments that Joe and I have
Speaker 1: been working on for God Joe, how long have we
Speaker 1: been working on this now? Oh? Months? Man? Since like
Speaker 1: the early pandemic days. Yeah. Remember remember the pandemic was
Speaker 1: just a new thing. That's when we started, Well, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be this will pass soon and then we
Speaker 1: can launch that podcast. Yeah, so we've been we have
Speaker 1: been digging into this for months and and it is
Speaker 1: going to be kind of the opposite of the standard
Speaker 1: outdoor media pot cast format in that you know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna ramble some, but mostly we're gonna try and keep
Speaker 1: it tight. We're gonna try and keep you entertained. You
Speaker 1: might learn something, who knows, you might, you might laugh,
Speaker 1: you might cry, you might come away feeling like you
Speaker 1: didn't waste your time. I don't know. That's what I'm hoping.
Speaker 1: Fast paced variety show. We're going for left and right
Speaker 1: hooks coming at you constantly. Here. We keep bringing the
Speaker 1: variety show thing in, but all I don't think of
Speaker 1: is Garrison Keeler, And I just don't think we're doing
Speaker 1: Garrison Keeler, Like that's all I can think about when
Speaker 1: I hear us are gonna bring on, Like I'm not
Speaker 1: promising that will never happen, but it's not in any
Speaker 1: of the ones we have. Garrison made a pretty fine product,
Speaker 1: he did, but he is not the template for this podcast.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that Yanny is a real um.
Speaker 1: Yanni has a lot of installed. Yanni likes those old
Speaker 1: NPR shows. He likes those shows that like you're up
Speaker 1: in whatever driving through Duluth on a Sunday, do that
Speaker 1: and you hit the search on your the scroll on
Speaker 1: a rental car and lo and behold here's you know,
Speaker 1: like the best of Prayer Home, Companion or cartar Talk.
Speaker 1: That stuff speaks to Yanni like he's nostalgia. He likes
Speaker 1: car talk. I can deal with car talk. I cannot
Speaker 1: just deal with car talk. I like it, Okay, I
Speaker 1: like it. I like I'm fallen with Rick, Like have
Speaker 1: I listened to it before? Yes? No? I like Companion. Well,
Speaker 1: he's I think that he is nostalgic for it? Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it a sense of nostalgia or does it do
Speaker 1: you actually feel satisfied? Like when you listen to definitely
Speaker 1: listen to it growing up. If you could put a
Speaker 1: bug in Yanny's brain when he hears car talk, you
Speaker 1: know what I think the sound would be that comes
Speaker 1: out of his brain. Oh, Joe, I have not I
Speaker 1: am not familiar. You've never heard car talk? No, no,
Speaker 1: never heard it. Those guys are from your neck of
Speaker 1: the woods. Fantastic. Not a public radio man over there
Speaker 1: Boston like too much death metal? Yeah yeah, not a
Speaker 1: public radio guy. Yeah yeah. I think this is the
Speaker 1: first media reference that you haven't gotten that I've been
Speaker 1: a part of, Joe, Like, no matter any media I've reference,
Speaker 1: you've been like, oh yeah, I know that one. Like
Speaker 1: you can roll movies and music, but other podcasts The Day,
Speaker 1: Chester the Fishing Guy, Chester Floyd. If you're in southwest Montana,
Speaker 1: book a trip with Chester Floyd. Uh. He had his
Speaker 1: COVID hair, gone, what's the COVID hair? Like when you
Speaker 1: don't cut your hair? And I told me, look like
Speaker 1: Kenny Loggins look it up. And he didn't know what
Speaker 1: I was talking about. He looked at you when he
Speaker 1: looked when he looked it up. He got a haircut
Speaker 1: very quickly after the next time I saw him, he
Speaker 1: had a haircut too young, No, Kenny Logs, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he's he's He's not old. Kenny Loggins is in
Speaker 1: a American singer, songwriter and guitarist. Kenny Loggins is a
Speaker 1: dude who was in the right place at the right
Speaker 1: time and a couple of big movies. Man, that's what
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Like from Top Gun and then Footloose.
Speaker 1: From Footloose, didn't you do the caddy check? Wasn't that
Speaker 1: him too? I think I'm pretty sure he was the
Speaker 1: dude they call when you got a big budget movie
Speaker 1: you need a tune for it. I mean I heard
Speaker 1: that he This is way off of this damn podcast
Speaker 1: because I think we got this problem you're trying to
Speaker 1: fix with your podcast. Is what I'm gonna say right now.
Speaker 1: This is the problem. Please demonstrate on Okay, let me
Speaker 1: show you what. Let me to solidify the importance of
Speaker 1: this new Fishing podcast. I will tell you a thing
Speaker 1: that would never occur on that show. You would never
Speaker 1: have someone uh tell you how they're understanding is that
Speaker 1: Healey Lewis was supposed to do Ghostbusters. He was spoke
Speaker 1: used to do a song for Ghostbusters and something fell through,
Speaker 1: and then who did Ghostbusters the song? I only know
Speaker 1: who did Ghostbusters too. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know who that one. Well, that tune wound up
Speaker 1: being I I could be wrong here, who you know?
Speaker 1: What this is actually would fit on your podcast because
Speaker 1: this is the age Angler, So this would fit on
Speaker 1: your show. I've got a uh yeah, so it it
Speaker 1: would be a great piece for you guys for your show.
Speaker 1: So just little heads up here. Um my understand is
Speaker 1: the song that came out was a little too similar
Speaker 1: to Huey Lewis's version and it caused some legal ruckuts.
Speaker 1: Huh interesting An, Yeah, you got a new podcast coming out, Parker.
Speaker 1: Might we might have to talk about Hugh Lewis if
Speaker 1: if we did do this form of a podcast, which
Speaker 1: we don't, I want to be clear, but we might
Speaker 1: have to bring Huey Lewis on to defend himself because
Speaker 1: Montana Anglers do not like that guy. I hear that
Speaker 1: he fought really hard to privatize this little stretched water
Speaker 1: that had been public for a very long time, was
Speaker 1: instrumental in that. So he just he's not very well
Speaker 1: liked among the angling community out here. That surprises me
Speaker 1: because he kind of had that sort of happy, go
Speaker 1: lucky everyman he did. That was his deal groove. And
Speaker 1: then he's like, but I don't want all these dirt
Speaker 1: bags trapes and up and down my creek. Don't be
Speaker 1: floating on my water. This this other one, I cannot
Speaker 1: I cannot confirm. This is rumor I heard through the
Speaker 1: guide mill from my guy days. But buddy of mine
Speaker 1: claims he guided him, and he's all excited about He's like,
Speaker 1: oh god, he would lose my boat. This is gonna
Speaker 1: be great. He said that guy got on his boat
Speaker 1: and sang from the moment they shoved off the dock
Speaker 1: to the moment he put the boat back on the trailer.
Speaker 1: And at first he was like, oh this is cool.
Speaker 1: I'm getting like my own private do you lose concert?
Speaker 1: And about two hours in he was like Jesus, just
Speaker 1: saying a lot, just saying constantly. He's like, wish I
Speaker 1: brought your plugs hip to be square, which again at
Speaker 1: first it sounds cool, but like four hours in, maybe
Speaker 1: it's not so cool anymore. I'm pretty sure the conflicting
Speaker 1: Ghostbuster song was I want a New drug? That's what
Speaker 1: sounded too similar to the Ghostbusters theme. Oh thanks for clarification,
Speaker 1: because as I was saying, I felt like I was wrong. No, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want a new drug d D. It's a pop
Speaker 1: culture nugget right there. Yeah, okay, So what's the name
Speaker 1: of this here podcast? Bent Bent? Short and simple? Yep,
Speaker 1: not get bent, not get bent bent, which speaks to
Speaker 1: a lot of levels. I feel like it's a layered concept. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your broad has bent, I mean on the most basic level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your hook has bent bent in the hook people get bent,
Speaker 1: your hook might get bent out. You're fighting a real
Speaker 1: big it all bent out of shape. Yeah. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: might piss a couple people off that bent out of
Speaker 1: shape about their stream access. That definitely happened. And it's
Speaker 1: just a little bit because what we're trying to do
Speaker 1: is a little bit different from as we've been talking
Speaker 1: about other podcasts in this genre and in this network.
Speaker 1: It's it's uh, it's a little irreverend. It's a little different.
Speaker 1: We don't do things the way that you might expect
Speaker 1: us to, and we may not say the things that
Speaker 1: you're expecting to hear in a fishing podcast. So it's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a hook. It's got a hook
Speaker 1: to it. It's funny, I sure as I'll hope. So
Speaker 1: it's short and tight that that's what we're going for.
Speaker 1: We will not be rambling on about whatever we feel
Speaker 1: like talking about for very long. We have we have short,
Speaker 1: discreete segments where we cover off on topics and uh
Speaker 1: and then move on to the next thing. Quick cleaning
Speaker 1: in general, fishing in general leaves more room just for
Speaker 1: overall goofiness and not taking itself seriously. So we're we're
Speaker 1: totally vibing on that. I mean because because nothing has eyelashes.
Speaker 1: As soon as you start talking about uh, bringing harm
Speaker 1: to eye lashed things is a somberness. Second. Pick that
Speaker 1: out because a buddy of mine I always always used
Speaker 1: to say eyebrows. No I heard recently it's someone's like,
Speaker 1: you know what it is, man, eyelashes. That's why people
Speaker 1: will do stuff to fish that they would never do
Speaker 1: to it, chipmunk, it's not eyelids. Like the eyelids don't matter,
Speaker 1: it's got they gotta be lashed. Yeah, I think people
Speaker 1: care about because snakes, yeah or all they're I don't
Speaker 1: know they got something going on anyways, sharks. No, it's
Speaker 1: a little hairy liners on them. I I think that
Speaker 1: the idea is that we will avoid those those exactly
Speaker 1: those little little left turns, because we're also want to
Speaker 1: do them in this format of podcast, like, oh, I
Speaker 1: got a thought, but Joe and I are trying to
Speaker 1: rain ourselves in and and the problem with so much
Speaker 1: fishing media is exactly what you said, Joe. It takes
Speaker 1: itself too damn seriously. So we're not gonna do that.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna do that. We we don't promise that
Speaker 1: this fishing podcast will help you catch more fish necessarily,
Speaker 1: but we do hope it will help you enjoy fishing
Speaker 1: a little bit more. And it's already helped me catch
Speaker 1: more fish because yeah, because you guys. Let me listen
Speaker 1: to a couple of little pieces and give some notes
Speaker 1: and some feedback. And I heard all about Joe pitch
Speaker 1: the I'm gonna get the name of the lure wrong.
Speaker 1: Now was it the super zoom fluke That is a
Speaker 1: fantastically Oh yeah, And I ordered up some of those
Speaker 1: and I've caught trout on the elstone on them since then. Yes, sir, trout,
Speaker 1: you're fishing about the giant. I saw a picture. Didn't
Speaker 1: look too giant. Have been holding wrong or something. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the big part to making giant trout look about it.
Speaker 1: Was it a tussle, good tussle? Yeah, eat a dry
Speaker 1: no dropper, dropper, my God, would catch some nice whitefish. Yeah,
Speaker 1: keep tho, no excited, just come home with all the hell.
Speaker 1: But from the fish check and all the shrimp and
Speaker 1: salmon and everything, I just didn't feel like coming home.
Speaker 1: I just all I'd been doing is cleaning fish. I
Speaker 1: don't feel like clean any fish. But then I'm all go.
Speaker 1: I hear you. It's not very often I touch fish, Liza,
Speaker 1: tell about it. If those fish feel so specs where like,
Speaker 1: you know, just let me go. It's not amazing. When
Speaker 1: I come up and I saw him stand there, I
Speaker 1: thought it was done, the old man eater. I was like, nah,
Speaker 1: that that dude. So maybe it will help it help
Speaker 1: you you catch more. Fishing might help you catch more fish.
Speaker 1: But we're not gonna guarantee it at all. There are
Speaker 1: no fish catch and guarantees. The only guarantee we can
Speaker 1: give you is that we'll keep it tight. We'll keep
Speaker 1: it entertaining and be worth the time. How do people
Speaker 1: find Bent? Anywhere else? You get your podcasts? Like, you
Speaker 1: can come to Spotify, you can go to Apple, you
Speaker 1: can come to the Meat Eater website, the mediator dot com.
Speaker 1: Click down on that podcast, drop down You'll see Bent
Speaker 1: right there. You just get it. It's easy. Best fishing
Speaker 1: podcast every exist, definitely ever. I think I think it's
Speaker 1: worth mentioning to that. Yeah, I mean, be honest, you
Speaker 1: have a segment you're you're in Bent. Oh well, you
Speaker 1: know I was going to ask him about that, but
Speaker 1: I wasn't. Um. I didn't know if that was confirmed yet.
Speaker 1: I know I auditioned a little bit, but I don't
Speaker 1: know that it had made it in. You know, the
Speaker 1: wonderful job made the cut. All right, your little report.
Speaker 1: He's gonna do another report right now for us. He
Speaker 1: has a report whenever you Yanni is like a he's
Speaker 1: a Bent correspondent. He's a Bent correspondent. And he filed
Speaker 1: the report about a new record fish and did such
Speaker 1: a wonderful job because he brought in like like a
Speaker 1: personal angle, but didn't overdo it, didn't try to make
Speaker 1: it like it was all about him, but it was
Speaker 1: informed had a funny husband. Like a funny husband wife
Speaker 1: bit where humor was there was like some no, but
Speaker 1: he knew where the humor was. He knew where the
Speaker 1: pathos was. He knew where like the little marital tensioned
Speaker 1: me just like the um, like the humanity appealing to emotion,
Speaker 1: making an appeal to the to the emotional experience. And
Speaker 1: that's when the guy says the word and his wife
Speaker 1: doesn't want him to say it. You're gonna have to
Speaker 1: go and the about story. I can't wait till listen
Speaker 1: to this. Yanni's gonna file another report right now. Are
Speaker 1: you ready to report? Yannie? I am okay? What happened? Um?
Speaker 1: Links happened? Links have been uh forever, probably one of
Speaker 1: the most elusive animals to see all of us Links
Speaker 1: and probably wolverines. Have you seen the links? One I
Speaker 1: have red told my link story. I don't. I can't
Speaker 1: remember it right now. I've never seen one. We you know,
Speaker 1: the Hall Road, the pipeline road which never ends. So
Speaker 1: we're driving back from the pipeline road. And while we
Speaker 1: were parked along the Hall the Alaska Pipeline, a truck
Speaker 1: had thrown up a rock and shattered out the window.
Speaker 1: So that's a long drive with no side window completely
Speaker 1: busted eight hours or whatever. Yeah, as he's come back
Speaker 1: with the wind the windows gone. So I remember the
Speaker 1: drive because it's just like the worst drive in the
Speaker 1: world anyway, when it's dark, but yaw driving along, windows
Speaker 1: busted out, and all of a sudden there's a link
Speaker 1: stand in the road and we pull up to it
Speaker 1: and he looked his He looked at us like, um,
Speaker 1: utter incomprehension, like I would venture to guess, like zero
Speaker 1: interaction with a human, not like um, not like I
Speaker 1: don't see you, not like I know, I gotta get away,
Speaker 1: just like utter incomprehension to what was there in front
Speaker 1: of it? Did you just hang out? Wow? We got out,
Speaker 1: and then he's like, yeah, I would probably go but
Speaker 1: just no, he was just like, what in Sam Hill?
Speaker 1: Is this? Anybody else seen one? Yeah? Didn't you guys have?
Speaker 1: Nick's always doing all kind of fake animals. Oh that's
Speaker 1: all right now he's kind of like actual animals. I
Speaker 1: mean they're all actual animals, just some of them. Maybe
Speaker 1: that links was totally habituated. It was like, I know
Speaker 1: what you guys are do you have any snacks? So
Speaker 1: you saw one, tell me the story real quick. It
Speaker 1: was off the side of the road. We were filming
Speaker 1: thermal footage, nighttime stuff, so he saw in the dark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I picked it up on a thermal camera. Mm hmm hmm.
Speaker 1: I'll share a quick story with about that. Thermal stuff
Speaker 1: is interesting. So I was talking to these dudes years ago.
Speaker 1: One of the highlights of my life is I got
Speaker 1: to go down and talk to the third Special Forces
Speaker 1: Group at Fort Bragg and I got to shoot ship
Speaker 1: with some of those kids afterwards. So he's a Green
Speaker 1: Brays and we got to shoot the ship and he
Speaker 1: was telling me a story. One of these kids is
Speaker 1: telling me a story that they were in some past
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan and they hit these Taliban guys coming over
Speaker 1: this pass and one of them had some kind of
Speaker 1: like some kind of anti aircraft gun or some kind
Speaker 1: of like big I can't remember what are you telling
Speaker 1: me what the gun was. He was carrying it, and
Speaker 1: they hit the dude and he drops the thing and
Speaker 1: then everybody drags him off. So they just sit there
Speaker 1: with a thermal scope knowing an eventually someone's gonna want
Speaker 1: to come out and grab this gun and they're just
Speaker 1: set up waiting to get whoever comes out to get
Speaker 1: the gun. And he tells me that as he's watching
Speaker 1: with his thermal scope in the middle of the night,
Speaker 1: he says, a snow leopard came out and sniffed around
Speaker 1: that spot. That wild Pretty cool, go on, Miles. All
Speaker 1: all my for the most part, animal setting stories were
Speaker 1: the same. It's when I was guiding in Alaska in
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere and I'm like focused on whatever
Speaker 1: doing now. At the court of my I see movement, like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's what that is. It's not there's none of them
Speaker 1: are good stories, Like there is no art, Like nothing
Speaker 1: cool happens. I'm just like, oh, I saw Wolverine one time,
Speaker 1: but nothing happened, and there was a Lynx one of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw a Lynx. Once I saw Wolverine, what was
Speaker 1: he doing? He was basically slinking along the edge of
Speaker 1: the timber. I think he popped out to see what
Speaker 1: was going on, like what we were up to, and
Speaker 1: then saw Uce was like, I'm out of here. I'm gone.
Speaker 1: I don't wanting to do with it. Well, most of
Speaker 1: the time you were going to if if anybody has
Speaker 1: everyone would say no, even in places like Colorado in
Speaker 1: the lower forty eight where you have some Even in
Speaker 1: Alaska where you have a bunch out of six people
Speaker 1: in this room, I agree that. Yeah. Well, if I
Speaker 1: hadn't that one, all of us had one lucky moment.
Speaker 1: It's easy to picture having not seen well, no here,
Speaker 1: it's only in our in our of our group, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen one. Three out of five. That's not fifth count.
Speaker 1: Oh you ever seen one over there in uh Jersey, Pennsylvania. Nope, nope.
Speaker 1: Uh So they along just like they've been studying a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of other animals with GPS. Colleges are starting
Speaker 1: to do that with links now too, and they're finding
Speaker 1: out some wild stuff. Um Like, they're taking these crazy
Speaker 1: long migrations. This is where Hobo comes in with the
Speaker 1: longest known LINKS migration. He comes in just shy of
Speaker 1: twenty were hundred miles in a single migration in about
Speaker 1: thirteen months he did this. He started off I can't
Speaker 1: remember the name of the park in Alaska, but um
Speaker 1: like southern half of Alaska, and then cut over into
Speaker 1: um into uh I guess it would be Northwest Territories,
Speaker 1: and then headed south a male looking for me. They
Speaker 1: don't know, they haven't interviewed, they don't know yet. I know,
Speaker 1: but predators tending that to go yell crazy. I can
Speaker 1: answer all these questions you have after reading my short
Speaker 1: little article, because they certainly think that, and they used
Speaker 1: to think that they had like twenty two square mile ranges.
Speaker 1: But then one time, this one trapper in one year
Speaker 1: on a seventy seven mile seventy seven mile long trap
Speaker 1: line caught like over a hundred links is And they're like, well,
Speaker 1: how could that be because there's only one, you know,
Speaker 1: male that moves around every twenty two miles and you
Speaker 1: do the math, and he should have only caught whatever
Speaker 1: it was. Um, so they started wondering, and so they
Speaker 1: started doing more research on it or whatever. So they
Speaker 1: don't really know. They do know that part is probably
Speaker 1: related to the fecundity. And then that's related to super
Speaker 1: high numbers in snowshoe hairs, because this that is the
Speaker 1: classic snowshoet hair, the sick list seven year cycle, yeah
Speaker 1: I think it was. The article said like eight to
Speaker 1: eleven when the snow shoe hairs go up, So right
Speaker 1: now they're super high and they're they're seeing um litters
Speaker 1: sometimes of close to ten kittens. Yes, there's there's some
Speaker 1: pictures in that. It's a lot of little links babies. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was reading one time that when links, when snowshoe
Speaker 1: hairs are down, they'll have a recruitment rate of zero
Speaker 1: percent links. It's that hard on them. When their food
Speaker 1: source collapses, they'll have a year where they like years
Speaker 1: or in the areas where they think that there was
Speaker 1: zero recruitment. You would think they divertify those food sources
Speaker 1: at some point, like they'd find something else to eat on.
Speaker 1: T's not a good strategy. Talk to the raccoons, man,
Speaker 1: are you doing this? The researchers were saying that it
Speaker 1: very much explains why um, there isn't like genetic diversity.
Speaker 1: That's pretty much like it doesn't matter if you're in
Speaker 1: the Brooks range or if you are in you know,
Speaker 1: the farthest eastern range of the lynx Is range in Canada.
Speaker 1: Somewhere a links is the links of the links. And
Speaker 1: they figured that's because they make these crazy, crazy movements around,
Speaker 1: they don't get the population segments. I read another that's
Speaker 1: why I read another interesting piece of links research. I don't.
Speaker 1: I can't remember if we covered it on this show
Speaker 1: or not a while ago. But they used to think
Speaker 1: that there were, uh that some of the major rivers
Speaker 1: were genetic barriers. And they had some links wearing tracking things,
Speaker 1: and they realized not only are the rivers not a barrier,
Speaker 1: but they had links that would cross some of these
Speaker 1: rivers they thought were barriers, would cross the multiple times
Speaker 1: in a day. Interesting, Yeah, Yukon river. Do you think
Speaker 1: about it? Swim across that thing you shoot across? No problem.
Speaker 1: Well they probably also crossed a lot in winter. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: that they were pointing out that they thought it could
Speaker 1: only happen when frozen, but they were pointing out they
Speaker 1: were squirting across these rivers in open water. That'd be
Speaker 1: cool to see. Yeah. So yeah, that's my that's my
Speaker 1: little report on links crazy links are up to I
Speaker 1: give him a plus thanks because he was able to answer,
Speaker 1: he was able to show his work answer questions A plus.
Speaker 1: What do you get? Yeah, a solid. He didn't he
Speaker 1: didn't refer to other sources outside that one article. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be it was a single source, and he didn't
Speaker 1: have an original argument. It was just regurgitation. But I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the point of us, that's what the task for
Speaker 1: the audience. I had been meaning to read the article
Speaker 1: to which I had links link, not a links, I
Speaker 1: had a link, and I have been meaning to open
Speaker 1: that link and read because I saw the headline about
Speaker 1: a links going real far away. And so just before
Speaker 1: we started the show, I emailed the link to Yann
Speaker 1: and asked me if he could prepare prepare a report
Speaker 1: so for what he had to deal with in the
Speaker 1: time he had to deal with it, I thought that
Speaker 1: he took ownership with the material, delivered it as though
Speaker 1: it was something that was in his mind. On t
Speaker 1: counts for a lot, very timely. I'm sticking by the
Speaker 1: A plus. I don't think he needs extra credit. Do
Speaker 1: you want to give extra credit? No, I said, I
Speaker 1: don't think he needs extra credit. Like maybe yeah, like
Speaker 1: maybe I'm like some kind of poster board. He can
Speaker 1: pay some pictures. Oh yeah, No, he should a print
Speaker 1: out from a magazine or something. So, are you gonna
Speaker 1: dig your hole even deep round GMOs or you've done
Speaker 1: You've done the GMO subject. I will dig it even deeper. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: can you first give it recap of what the problem is, yes,
Speaker 1: and then how the problem got worse. So Steve has
Speaker 1: oftentime referred to the superior tasting small strawberries that he's
Speaker 1: grown in his garden, and that if you go into
Speaker 1: the grocery store and you pick up a pint of
Speaker 1: really beautiful looking strawberries, they often taste like crap or nothing.
Speaker 1: Bigger the worst, the bigger, the worst. So a couple
Speaker 1: of episodes ago, I pulled out an old thing that
Speaker 1: I had remembered and not fully understood from a while back,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that is because you know,
Speaker 1: strawberries made. It was ish. Strawberries have been developed in
Speaker 1: a lab with genes from Arctic fish to make them
Speaker 1: more frost resistant, and I guess robust and hardy, you know,
Speaker 1: refrigerated and to last longer. So we got a lot
Speaker 1: of mail, emails, mails. Some folks were really riled up.
Speaker 1: Deep strawberries I didn't know this but inspired deep passions, Yes,
Speaker 1: deep passion. Production of strawberries inspires deep pass Absolutely. There
Speaker 1: are some helpful, informative, even keeled messages. Other folks were
Speaker 1: up in arms. We got one man child right in
Speaker 1: if I may say um anyway, So so in a
Speaker 1: previous episode, I kind of I will absolute own that
Speaker 1: what I had mentioned was wrong. But the reason why
Speaker 1: it was wrong is that there is a certain list
Speaker 1: of genetically modified crops that are on the market in
Speaker 1: the United States, and strawberries are not one of those. Right,
Speaker 1: share with me the list again. So according to the
Speaker 1: f d A, we've got corn, soybean, cotton, Oh yeah, potato, papaya,
Speaker 1: summer squash, canola, alfalfa, tomatoes. How did papaya? What I'm wondering,
Speaker 1: I've got a thing about papaya. Hold your horses, so
Speaker 1: you can buy a GMO papaya. Yeah, papaias papaya is
Speaker 1: our GMO. But hold, I'll adjust that in a bit.
Speaker 1: Where did I leave off alfalfa, apple, sugar beets? No, no, tomatoes,
Speaker 1: nova tomato or something like that. So, so I was
Speaker 1: wrong exactly. I was wrong because I said GMO strawberries.
Speaker 1: But GMO we don't have demo strawberages in the United States.
Speaker 1: I just want to know about right, So, and folks,
Speaker 1: if you know more about this, please right in. Well,
Speaker 1: what I'm going to propose, I still want you to
Speaker 1: carry on. But what I'm going to propose is that,
Speaker 1: why don't you go and get us a great GMO expert.
Speaker 1: I want a GMO apologist, not an anti GMO person,
Speaker 1: because I can already picture what the anti person is
Speaker 1: gonna say. I want to find a guest you should
Speaker 1: track down for us, a guest who's a not a
Speaker 1: GMO apologist, but a GMO realist. Yeah, someone who could
Speaker 1: say like, oh yeah, man, I could see all these
Speaker 1: negatives and there's something to them, but I can also
Speaker 1: see some positives and there's something to those. So there's
Speaker 1: cursory research on this Wikipedia which is whatever that's I
Speaker 1: get a D minus for that for that for that source. Um,
Speaker 1: But there is I believe it is from Arctic chart
Speaker 1: like bacteria on the skin, where that there is something
Speaker 1: made from that that is applied and sprayed on strawberries
Speaker 1: to help protect the berry and transposent. Then it's washed off. Everyone.
Speaker 1: If I've said anything wrong, hold me to account. So
Speaker 1: they're taking some fish slime, something that's in fish slip
Speaker 1: berries and then getting the back off to the best
Speaker 1: of my understanding. And there is also something called bio prospecting,
Speaker 1: which is the search for plant and animal species from
Speaker 1: which medicinal drugs and other commercially valuable compounds can be obtained.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this falls under that category technically
Speaker 1: of what that is, but I didn't um that that's
Speaker 1: the relationship that I've found from Wikipedia. I have yet
Speaker 1: to delve into all this scientific journal articles about that.
Speaker 1: I'd rather have arctic charge line on my strawberries than
Speaker 1: a lot of other nasty things I can imagine. Me
Speaker 1: give me the fish line. I'm good with that. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's not off putting to me. UM. When I was
Speaker 1: in school, I took this class the literature of natural history,
Speaker 1: and one of the books by bye Hank Caarth Hell's
Speaker 1: last name was died of tragic death. Him and his
Speaker 1: wife drowned canoe and the professor and flathead like biggest
Speaker 1: natural lake west of the Mississippi. Um. He had a
Speaker 1: cabin on wild Horse Island, which is where the biggest
Speaker 1: big horn sheep ever came from. But the point being
Speaker 1: about him, we read this this book as part of
Speaker 1: his class. He had to read this book. It was
Speaker 1: about like bioengineering, and it was looking at natural structures
Speaker 1: like how they how you look at cobb web elasticity
Speaker 1: and arrangement honey, and ways in which natural structures inform engineering,
Speaker 1: which is pretty It's really interesting. I would like to
Speaker 1: get someone like that bioengineering person on the show. Joe.
Speaker 1: Does this conversation feel familiar to you? You beat me
Speaker 1: to it. We were just talking about how there's something
Speaker 1: similar here with the study of carp scales and how
Speaker 1: it will translate to building better body armor for humans.
Speaker 1: But if you want if all the details, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to listen to Bent. But Bent covers. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: just just saying, is it like a long window. It
Speaker 1: is much more suctinct than this. Basically I just said
Speaker 1: exactly the whole thing. Yeah. Wait, I've got one more
Speaker 1: thing about strawberries. So I know this has been weighing
Speaker 1: on you. So I spoke to a farmer in Georgia
Speaker 1: and he has a couple of things to note in
Speaker 1: response to your why do you homegrown strawberries taste better?
Speaker 1: And he says that the reason why, or one potential
Speaker 1: reason why homegrown strawberries maybe sweeter and more flavorful, is
Speaker 1: because they're under more stress than commercial strawberries, which I
Speaker 1: found very interesting. So, when you are farming strawberries for market. Um,
Speaker 1: everything is perfect, the irrigation, the nutrients, everything is just
Speaker 1: kind of like a well oiled machine to get as
Speaker 1: much yield as possible. Um. But perhaps in your garden,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't not sure how you're treating them.
Speaker 1: You're you're maybe watering them regularly. There's something maybe missing.
Speaker 1: Just I'll hacking my way through it. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: You're hacking your way through it. And I'm taking a
Speaker 1: bunch of different types of things and giving them all
Speaker 1: a general treatment and not necessarily fine tuning all of
Speaker 1: their treatment. You're sort of like, you know, like a
Speaker 1: classic vegetable garden. You got like eight things you try
Speaker 1: treated all the same way. Absolutely, the amount of water,
Speaker 1: the aunt of sun, aunt of whatever. And maybe there's
Speaker 1: something missing that the strawberry needs, you know, more than
Speaker 1: the green beans. But one example this gentleman mentioned was that,
Speaker 1: for example, like carrots, let's say that they freeze. If
Speaker 1: the plant is under stress, they may release flavonoids and
Speaker 1: the flavor may development. More So, Let's say with carrots
Speaker 1: that have are are in the process of being about
Speaker 1: to freeze, the plant may produce sugars to help protect
Speaker 1: the cells, lower the freezing point, so when we're eating it,
Speaker 1: more of the flavor is actually more sugar content is
Speaker 1: derived from stress that we're that we're tasting. So he
Speaker 1: said he doesn't know the scientific explanation for all of that,
Speaker 1: but I felt like that was pretty interesting. Yes, when
Speaker 1: you find a wild strawberry which just has these like
Speaker 1: teensy teensy little leaves, and it throws off this compact
Speaker 1: but extremely flavorful little berry, and he's really up, he's
Speaker 1: really up against it. And I was talking about this
Speaker 1: with my brother who he's he works for the U.
Speaker 1: S d A. And UH does a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: with crops and plants. And we're out one day commenting
Speaker 1: on um this wild raspberry patch and I was like,
Speaker 1: I wonder why these wild raspberries liked this spot so much?
Speaker 1: And he has this interesting concept he explained to me
Speaker 1: where it's like, it's probably not that they like that spot,
Speaker 1: it's just that's the spot that they can be that
Speaker 1: they're not out competed and overstressed. So what you're seeing
Speaker 1: is you're seeing them where they can grow, not where
Speaker 1: they want to grow. Meaning if you took that same
Speaker 1: plant home until the patch of ground and pulled all
Speaker 1: the weeds and gave it its own piece of turf.
Speaker 1: It might be like, no, bro, this is where I
Speaker 1: want to be. I'm stuck on that rocky ass hillside
Speaker 1: on the mountain because all the things that kill me
Speaker 1: don't get me there. It'd be like if you find
Speaker 1: some like holdout person living in a cave in the mountain.
Speaker 1: People like to be in these caves way up in
Speaker 1: the mountains. He might be like, no, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1: This is where I gotta go, right, But he's hardier
Speaker 1: to get away from trying to kill me. It's like,
Speaker 1: this is where I gotta be. The takeaway from this
Speaker 1: is that the shittier gardener you are, the better your fruits,
Speaker 1: and you might be cranking out like really good, bad,
Speaker 1: really well for my gardens. Not to complicate this whole discussion,
Speaker 1: but I've eaten strawberries out of a big commercial, you know,
Speaker 1: growing area, just like riding my bike through south of
Speaker 1: Santa Cruz. They grow out of strawberries and just picking
Speaker 1: those strawberries, they taste amazing and they're big. We had
Speaker 1: other people, because we've been on the strawberry thing for
Speaker 1: other people, no, right, but we had people explained that, Um,
Speaker 1: we had a strawberry producer right in and explained that
Speaker 1: people shop with their eyes, and um, when they're commercially
Speaker 1: producing strawberries, it's like a thing that they know is
Speaker 1: a value. Is that it that it can turn red
Speaker 1: and stay not rotten for a long time. So it's
Speaker 1: got good shelf capabilities and it has it has eye
Speaker 1: popping appeal because people aren't biting it and then buying it.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh my gosh, how big and red that
Speaker 1: thing that looks like an amazing strawberry, and they just
Speaker 1: don't really care. You could have some weird blemished the
Speaker 1: ones on top of all moldy, but be like, these
Speaker 1: are the best strawberries you'll ever taste. To be like,
Speaker 1: I'm about buying app crazy looking wardy, half green, Yeah, strawberry.
Speaker 1: I want the big sons of guns. Okay, moving on,
Speaker 1: We're gonna come back, are we good? On? Bent for Knox?
Speaker 1: We'll come back. Remind everybody about it. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: gonna find opportunities wherever in like, as you notice. But
Speaker 1: the next moment, yeah, for the moment, the next ding
Speaker 1: I want to discuss Rick, why do you feel that
Speaker 1: you're so bad at fishing. Well, I was. I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say that there's no amount of podcasts that
Speaker 1: I could listen to, uh too to fix what I
Speaker 1: got going on what happens? I mean, I say that,
Speaker 1: but you know, mostly all the hunting fishing is like
Speaker 1: I understand in theory because you get to observe it
Speaker 1: and observe it just for background, it's we're talking to
Speaker 1: Rick Smith, he's one of our prize most cherished cameramen.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of work with us and now and
Speaker 1: then opportunity strikes and there's a down minute and and
Speaker 1: Rick gets to fish for a second, and just it's
Speaker 1: such bad fishing. And I consider myself like have an
Speaker 1: ability to watch somebody do something and like pick things up,
Speaker 1: whether it be like athletic activities or whatnot. Like I'm
Speaker 1: not an uncoordinated person. But the fishing thing, it's amazing
Speaker 1: how bad I am. I'll say, well, I think you're
Speaker 1: bad at fishing. I think that a big part of
Speaker 1: being a good angler is you just know it's going
Speaker 1: to turn around. Confident. I feel like I'm an optimist,
Speaker 1: but I don't understand the whole uh because you fish
Speaker 1: as though you can't picture getting one because I've never
Speaker 1: really caught what does that look like? Kind of passivity?
Speaker 1: The sort of passivity is sort of like, um, what's
Speaker 1: it called when? Uh not ambivalence? No, but since I
Speaker 1: can't a certain fatalism, I feel like this happens to
Speaker 1: every angler. You show up at a spot and until
Speaker 1: a person catches a fish, that spot is like unproven.
Speaker 1: So but as soon as somebody catches a fish, everybody
Speaker 1: was like, oh, there's fish here, and then there's like
Speaker 1: different you fish different, like an increased like, oh I'm
Speaker 1: not catching fish because I'm doing something wrong versus there's
Speaker 1: no fish here. I kind of have the perspective always
Speaker 1: there are no fish here, and they caught one, and
Speaker 1: that means now they're especially gone. That's that's right. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: so there was like one year and now someone else
Speaker 1: caught it. What's the point, how could there be another one?
Speaker 1: It comes from I mean, to be an adult and
Speaker 1: never have spent any time fishing. Is I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm probably in the minority, like every even people that
Speaker 1: don't hunt fish have fished. I I detected you too.
Speaker 1: When you're fishing a lack of lustiness. Uh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: My brother blames um like a lack of want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he blames blowing shots on elk and deer with his
Speaker 1: bow to a lustiness, like he wants it so badly
Speaker 1: that the desire actually prevents him from getting it, like
Speaker 1: he's too If he could just somehow not want it
Speaker 1: as bad, he would probably have better luck getting Since
Speaker 1: I've never really caught a big fish, I mean, I
Speaker 1: kind of a rock fish I think is my only
Speaker 1: take from from Alaska. But since I didn't really catch anything,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what it's it's all, it's it's imaginary.
Speaker 1: Catching a big fish is like something other people do.
Speaker 1: I haven't. I need to internalize it more that it's
Speaker 1: possible for me to catch a big fish. What do
Speaker 1: you think is his problem does he have? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just lack of experience. This hasn't done it enough. Like
Speaker 1: a hook is such a thing that you guys obviously
Speaker 1: just understand that you have to explain, like, oh, if
Speaker 1: you're fishing with sea hooks, what are those? Yeah, point proven,
Speaker 1: but that you want to note, which that assumes that
Speaker 1: that should be the first thing that I do is
Speaker 1: is set the hook and I don't even. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I see you guys doing it, but I don't really
Speaker 1: it's not a reaction of mine. Like fish bites and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh fish yeah. Are you saying you don't
Speaker 1: set the hook with a circle hook or you do?
Speaker 1: So I can explain, I can explain it. I find
Speaker 1: that when people, uh so listeners always to think all
Speaker 1: the circle hook and circle hook uh think of a
Speaker 1: J hook as looking like a candy cane right when
Speaker 1: it's in something. I'm not telling you this, but it's
Speaker 1: telling it's like a candy cane hook. So when it's
Speaker 1: in something there there needs to be constant pressure to
Speaker 1: have it stay where it is. I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: barber and all that, but like generally speaking, you need
Speaker 1: to keep attention on it um or else just like
Speaker 1: falls out. Right. Imagine the old skit where someone's on
Speaker 1: a theater stage and you take you take them off
Speaker 1: with the hook, like if you just drop the hook
Speaker 1: that the thing falls away and the guy stays on
Speaker 1: the stage. So a circle hook has bent in such
Speaker 1: a way and gets hooked in the fish's mouth in
Speaker 1: such a way that it's not likely to fall away.
Speaker 1: It takes a lot more to get it in there,
Speaker 1: and it kind of has that generally has to be
Speaker 1: that the fish sort of turns and the hook assles
Speaker 1: into the corner of its mouth and gets in there.
Speaker 1: But once it's in there, gravity um is much has
Speaker 1: a much more difficult time freeing that hook up. Is
Speaker 1: it like a C like a lower case aerial fontsy
Speaker 1: You go, yeah, and you gotta jam that. That thing's
Speaker 1: got to get jammed in there. But when it gets
Speaker 1: jammed in there just right, it's likely to stay where
Speaker 1: you could cut the line and he's still gonna have
Speaker 1: that circle hook stuck in his mouth for some time.
Speaker 1: Jam's almost the wrong word though, because jam is sort
Speaker 1: of you're applying like a hook setting almost wedged, Yeah,
Speaker 1: lodged maybe lodged, Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 1: It gets lodged in his mouth. And so static types
Speaker 1: of fishing like longlining, trot lining, all these kind of
Speaker 1: static fishing where there's no person there to like yank
Speaker 1: the hook and reel, you use a circle hook. I
Speaker 1: found introducing people to circle hook fishing who've been fishing
Speaker 1: their whole lives, they're so it's so ingrained in them
Speaker 1: to set the hook because recreational fishing is predominantly jayhooks.
Speaker 1: It's so ingrained in them to set the hook that
Speaker 1: you can't get them two use circle hooks properly because
Speaker 1: they get it hit and they just every adam of
Speaker 1: their body wants like yanked Rod. You gotta like Brodie's wife.
Speaker 1: I had to yell at her so bad it almost
Speaker 1: like destroyed my relationship with Brody because she wouldn't stop
Speaker 1: doing that. Um Rick, on their hand, doesn't even have that.
Speaker 1: There's a lack of which is where I'm confused on
Speaker 1: the like setting the hook not setting the hook thing. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's what he'll do. Let's say Rick bounces back like
Speaker 1: you give me a jay hook. He does that for
Speaker 1: a minute, but then he loses hope, and then he
Speaker 1: wants to try circle hook, and he does that for me.
Speaker 1: He loses back to jay hook. So or you're trying
Speaker 1: to help me solve, you know, give me a fish.
Speaker 1: If Rick's working a jayhook and I'm and he's jigging
Speaker 1: a jig and a helmet hits it, now a lot
Speaker 1: of people would be like very invigorated by this, and
Speaker 1: they would know that they're gonna for a couple of
Speaker 1: seconds at least. They will especially jig, They're gonna do
Speaker 1: all manner of things to get because like a hell,
Speaker 1: but often you don't get him till his third hit.
Speaker 1: They just they're they're I don't know what they're doing
Speaker 1: on there, but they're not getting it. And so you'll
Speaker 1: see people do all these antics like he'll hit, you'll
Speaker 1: miss him, they'll bang the bottom, they'll jiggle in his face,
Speaker 1: they'll like do something. Rick just this sort of like
Speaker 1: strange passivity to where all of a sudden he all
Speaker 1: but leaves the rod and walks at the moment, at
Speaker 1: the moment when anybody else on planet most doing everything
Speaker 1: in their post. I'm trying to figure out did I
Speaker 1: do something wrong that made the hook at the bottom.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, maybe that's what it was. It
Speaker 1: wasn't the fish, it was at the bottom. I could
Speaker 1: be in a different boat. I can be a different
Speaker 1: doing ten things, and I'll be like, Rick, you just
Speaker 1: had a hit. Maybe he's too much in his head,
Speaker 1: are you think are you thinking through it too much?
Speaker 1: As you know, Steve assumes like and everybody else that
Speaker 1: is generally out there have spent so much time doing
Speaker 1: this that it's just natural that you just for me.
Speaker 1: It's like a foreign completely foreign. There's no hook setting response,
Speaker 1: there's zero, and that's that's what's funny about the circle hooks.
Speaker 1: And I think miles you were driving at this. Usually
Speaker 1: the less experience of an anger you are, the easier
Speaker 1: time you have with a circle Hume totally. If you
Speaker 1: chain them up where they can't get at the rod. No,
Speaker 1: but this is in the end. How many how but
Speaker 1: did we catch on a circle that week? We caught one?
Speaker 1: But this is what I'm saying. So yeah, but we
Speaker 1: were running a lot of jigs, I know. But still
Speaker 1: we also but when nobody was fishing them, Steve did
Speaker 1: a little fishing. Then I switched to shar Truce and
Speaker 1: it got good. But it also got later today, it
Speaker 1: got dusky. We moved to a new spots. It's not
Speaker 1: my it's part of my five year plan get better fishing. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't want Here's the thing is, I feel oftentimes
Speaker 1: we have a lot of laughs at Rick's expense, and
Speaker 1: I don't want it to be the case. So what
Speaker 1: we're actually I just work up a logo for Rick.
Speaker 1: We're trying to make up an acronym. So it's like
Speaker 1: ours like ready to go international, international because you've been,
Speaker 1: You've been more countries than anybody I hang out with.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Sea is like by seer Land and
Speaker 1: then uh no coastal because you're ready to go. The
Speaker 1: first guy in the water, colder the water, the cooker,
Speaker 1: he's into it is a sweet logo with flames and stuff,
Speaker 1: because I want to find a way to better celebrate
Speaker 1: Rick and not just fis fishing is not part of it,
Speaker 1: not just playing out his inadequacies. I am glad that
Speaker 1: the camera guys, uh, I mean Seth. Seth is a
Speaker 1: you know, he's a trained you know, harvest of angler
Speaker 1: background in angler. Yeah, he did good. Chris horrible fisherman,
Speaker 1: but he caught some fish. At least he's funny to watch.
Speaker 1: It's funny to watch him. Watch about him. He's just animated.
Speaker 1: He's trying to do everything. He just does it all wrong.
Speaker 1: But a lot of big movements to watch the rick
Speaker 1: and the fatalism and everything. There's not it's not that
Speaker 1: there's no big movement. What's the sound effect for that?
Speaker 1: What's the sound effect for watching? Oh, when you give
Speaker 1: Rick a rod? What is the sounds it's just straight
Speaker 1: or No, I don't. I feel like I'm an optimist,
Speaker 1: but I just have a hard time imagining actually catching
Speaker 1: a fish because I've never really done it. One time
Speaker 1: I did, it wasn't it was so easy that it.
Speaker 1: I went fishing for silver's in Alaska. No. No, it
Speaker 1: was like just with my dad and brother and um
Speaker 1: it was we limited out in like an hour. You
Speaker 1: ripped lips. That is what you're trying to say. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the guy got us. The guy got us on like
Speaker 1: the spot and it wasn't a Yeah. Maybe you've got
Speaker 1: to like envision, envisioned the success and envision, you know,
Speaker 1: and then like manifest. I get your call with my dad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you talk to Yanni's dad, Yanni's dad will tell
Speaker 1: you how you need to visualize. Yanni's dad. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was not doing that. When he hunts or whatever he
Speaker 1: he imagined so strongly did it actually ends up coming
Speaker 1: from where he imagined it coming from. He conjures it
Speaker 1: all right. He makes a mind movie so compelling to
Speaker 1: reality that reality conforms to that mind movie. We need
Speaker 1: to switch out the sea for coastal with conjuring, and
Speaker 1: we wanted to have it be like day or night.
Speaker 1: This is like his cameraman logo. So we're gonna be
Speaker 1: like K and I g h D like night. But
Speaker 1: then we'll have a prince. He says, like, but like
Speaker 1: without a K. I can't wait for this logo. We
Speaker 1: got a good logo. Guy we've been working with. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have them start working. Do you want flames on
Speaker 1: our lightning bolts? Lightning bolts? Good, We're on scales and
Speaker 1: lightning bolts. Um uh yanni? You want to take a
Speaker 1: stab at deep drop fishing? Yeah? Wait, let's set this up.
Speaker 1: Why were you guys in Alaska filming? We're in Alaska
Speaker 1: filming an episode of Me Eater Um which will go on,
Speaker 1: which will premiere on Netflix. And we were up there
Speaker 1: exploring um halibut fishing, exploring deep drop fishing, exploring shrimping
Speaker 1: and crabbing. Is it the first only fishing fishing only episode.
Speaker 1: It's not. No. We did like a giant catfish extravaganza,
Speaker 1: but we uh hunted squirrels. Oh really yeah? But we
Speaker 1: dove for we dove. You're talking about the one with Kevin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I thought we did something else. All catfish all
Speaker 1: the time we jug fished, we did everything behold a
Speaker 1: rod and then episode we jug fished, Maybe that would
Speaker 1: be better at that multiple because then we did a
Speaker 1: whole episode about we did a whole episode about flatheads.
Speaker 1: Yeah with that one we squirrel hunted m with Parker
Speaker 1: there have But yeah, we did one about jug fishing, jugging,
Speaker 1: limb lining, and trot lining. And in this we also
Speaker 1: dove for sea cucumbers, dove for scallops, shot of green laning,
Speaker 1: snorkel snorkeled for those things. Dove like kinda like you
Speaker 1: had to kind of go into water to get you
Speaker 1: did more diving. Uh, But yeah, we're up filming a show,
Speaker 1: and so we're talking about some of those adventures and
Speaker 1: and during this now and then in fishing, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of waiting and a camera guy can just sit
Speaker 1: there and wait and wait and wait, or if you
Speaker 1: hand him around, he can try to do a little angling,
Speaker 1: which is Rick was killing his downtime um trying to angle.
Speaker 1: And that's why and that's why we're getting so much
Speaker 1: fun out of mostly provide entertainment dogging on Rick. But
Speaker 1: do you want to discuss deep drop, which we have
Speaker 1: never covered nope. We went to roughly feet of water. Um,
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's kind of like a basin, right,
Speaker 1: would you call it a basin on the bottom of
Speaker 1: the ocean? And Um, these fish that we were after
Speaker 1: black cod also known as sable fish, also known as butterfish,
Speaker 1: which I don't think we talked about that when we're
Speaker 1: up there, but when I was doing some research, yeah,
Speaker 1: they call them butterfish. Have you eaten your flames yet? Oh?
Speaker 1: Just one. I shared it with some of my closest
Speaker 1: friends that knew would appreciate it, and they appreciated it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I even had to preface it with I hope you
Speaker 1: efforts understand that I'm not serving this to like gloat.
Speaker 1: I'm serving this because I appreciate you guys. I'm really
Speaker 1: sharing it. I figured that you will appreciate it. It's
Speaker 1: not like ha ha, look what I have that. It's
Speaker 1: like taste this. Yeah, that's an interesting distinction. You did
Speaker 1: tell him that, Yeah, you sat them down? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: but yeah I did a you know, since we're on
Speaker 1: the subject, I did a basically like a soy ginger poach.
Speaker 1: That's how you do U, is it? Yeah? And it
Speaker 1: was I mean, it's butterfish, man. It's it's amazing how
Speaker 1: it maintains its firmness even onto the fork. But then
Speaker 1: when it gets into your mouth, something happens and it
Speaker 1: melts like butter. Tony Colagrassi, who who uh turned me
Speaker 1: on to the prospect of catching my own black cod
Speaker 1: because he sends me black cod filets that he catches
Speaker 1: with his friends. Um, he's remarked to that that, Um
Speaker 1: it's hard. You can't overcook it. Not you can't, but
Speaker 1: it's not. You don't need to worry about overcooking it
Speaker 1: as much when the window of goodness is a long window.
Speaker 1: I was surprised because, I mean it was a low
Speaker 1: temp poach. You know, you only you simmer it on
Speaker 1: low for five minutes and then uh no, it might
Speaker 1: have been tent total. But even then, I thought, man,
Speaker 1: because this file at wasn't you know, it wasn't a pound,
Speaker 1: might have been a half pound. I had two kind
Speaker 1: of pieces to fit into a small pan, and ten
Speaker 1: minutes with the lid and simmering. That's a lot of
Speaker 1: cooking for a piece of fish. You know it's gonna
Speaker 1: be thoroughly cooked. But it wasn't overcooked A bit is good.
Speaker 1: It is very good. So we're in feet of water
Speaker 1: steve ft aluminium skiff. Very nice weather that day, Calm
Speaker 1: Seas almost could like water ski out there that day
Speaker 1: so we could zip out. We actually talked about water
Speaker 1: skiing that day. For sure. I think when you're out
Speaker 1: there and it's that glassy, you can't not mention it.
Speaker 1: But to get down there you have to use a
Speaker 1: an electric reel. Now you don't have to, but it
Speaker 1: would be uh quite a task to reel up a line,
Speaker 1: plus the scope that you have, so it's probably even
Speaker 1: more out there. But yeah, three pounds of weight um
Speaker 1: two hooks above it was just circles, cut bait um,
Speaker 1: pretty stout rod. It's got to hold up three pounds
Speaker 1: of weight and you drop her down there. It probably
Speaker 1: takes what ten minutes? Yeah close, I was to say,
Speaker 1: so I wanted time. I never got around the time.
Speaker 1: And maybe it takes maybe eighteen minutes to hit the bottom,
Speaker 1: to hit the bottom long enough where you put in
Speaker 1: the rod holder because you get sick of waiting for
Speaker 1: it to hit the bottom and uh and you gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta chase it with the boat. Yeah, talk about
Speaker 1: that Yeah, I guess you just gotta figure out what
Speaker 1: the wind slash currents doing and just trying to stay
Speaker 1: and just basically I think all we were doing is
Speaker 1: trying to keep a line vertical right going out, drive
Speaker 1: the boat whatever direction the line is going. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you can so you can stay over the top of it,
Speaker 1: which you think it's moving more or the boats moving
Speaker 1: and you're just having to correct the boat to stay
Speaker 1: on top of the weight. I think that in those
Speaker 1: depths the wind over rides the current because the current
Speaker 1: isn't being you know how like when you get to
Speaker 1: the top of a mountain the wind is really strong.
Speaker 1: It's because you're taking a massive moving air but restricting
Speaker 1: the amount of space that air has to pass through.
Speaker 1: So you have like this whatever thousands of you know,
Speaker 1: thousands of vertical fee to air. But then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it's you're cramming it into a smaller gap
Speaker 1: on top. So when you're out in that huge, deep stuff,
Speaker 1: the currents aren't nearly as strong, and so where you
Speaker 1: might be in an area where you might have a breeze,
Speaker 1: it's not in alignment with the current, but the current
Speaker 1: might override there. I think that even a slight breeze
Speaker 1: is going to push you in a way that the
Speaker 1: current isn't going to push you. So you let it
Speaker 1: go to the bottom. And this is what I found
Speaker 1: the most interesting. It took a while to figure out.
Speaker 1: It took us, I don't know, a couple couple of
Speaker 1: drops at least, and and maybe twenty minutes of drifting along,
Speaker 1: because once you get down there, you feel the bottom
Speaker 1: and then it's like you felt the bottom with the weight,
Speaker 1: But then the weight keeps dragging your rod tip down
Speaker 1: and if it just it just didn't compute, because you're wondering, like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe that's because it's stuck on the bottom, and then
Speaker 1: the boat's moving and so there's just gonna be no slack.
Speaker 1: The rod tip keeps going down. But after doing this
Speaker 1: sort of slow jig up and down, what we realize
Speaker 1: is that the bottom was not firm, but it was
Speaker 1: more of this primorim I like to call it. There
Speaker 1: you go primorial muck. And I would guess that it's
Speaker 1: anywhere from six to eight ft deep. Yeah, the muck
Speaker 1: at the bottom fet and it might be you feel
Speaker 1: it hit, but it doesn't stop. It might be twenty deep,
Speaker 1: but you never let it go down that deep. I
Speaker 1: don't know how long the munk goes, so you kind
Speaker 1: of have to jig slowly pull it up. You feel
Speaker 1: it free from the muck, and then when you rop
Speaker 1: it you kind of again feel it, but it hits
Speaker 1: from where your rock tips started and then to where
Speaker 1: the lead hits the bottom again, and you think your
Speaker 1: raight tip would stop. It's like the whole distance of
Speaker 1: your jigging motions that make sense like um, So then
Speaker 1: again it gets sucked down into the muck. So you
Speaker 1: left to try to cover it, to try to hover
Speaker 1: it on the bottom. Did you guys get better at
Speaker 1: that when you guys went back and we'll just let
Speaker 1: it sit there. I got better to covering it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Not letting it sing, no, because the sinker would drag
Speaker 1: the circle hooks and bait down into the muck if
Speaker 1: you just let it sit. So you kind of like
Speaker 1: lifted out it hits the muck, take the tension out
Speaker 1: and see if you got a hit. Lift it floated,
Speaker 1: Lift it floating, lift the floating. It's you never rest
Speaker 1: but that that we got that thing down there, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't I couldn't believe. Yeah, five minutes. I almost
Speaker 1: like I would say, like about ship, I mean, I
Speaker 1: probably about shat my pants out of just being astounded
Speaker 1: after all the reading and talking and thinking and figuring
Speaker 1: and gear rigging, and to go out in that depth
Speaker 1: of water. And yeah, I filmed you do a lot
Speaker 1: of different things and be pretty happy about it. But
Speaker 1: I've never seen you that happy. When you brought up
Speaker 1: that fish, I was extremely excited. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I have technical questions on this. I'm sorry, like I'm
Speaker 1: just curious. From an angling standpod, So you're talking about
Speaker 1: like a dropshot style rig with a three pound weight
Speaker 1: on the bottom. Yeah, Well, I be more like, uh
Speaker 1: um no, because the you got little uh you got
Speaker 1: little leaders coming come off. Okay, So you got a
Speaker 1: mainline and then they're quite a bit their space there,
Speaker 1: their space. The spacing is very exact aggerated, So from
Speaker 1: the sinker to the bottom circle it's probably thirty six
Speaker 1: inches and then there's thirty six inches more to the
Speaker 1: next dropper. And the droppers are maybe eight inches long.
Speaker 1: They have a circle hook on them and then all
Speaker 1: this and a lot of the droppers are coated and
Speaker 1: glow in the dark tubing. There's a lot of glow
Speaker 1: in the dark this and that so that they can
Speaker 1: And there's also a line one of those little lights
Speaker 1: that light that water activates a little light like a
Speaker 1: high pressure light. One of those little lights is rigged
Speaker 1: up at the top connection just to have something down
Speaker 1: there going click with light. And with a three pound weight,
Speaker 1: and I'm assuming you're running mono eighty pound braid. Okay braid,
Speaker 1: so you gotta you don't have to do this way
Speaker 1: that would work. There would be too much stretching, you'd
Speaker 1: never know when you hit the bottom. And so but
Speaker 1: you can still with a three pound weight you can
Speaker 1: feel the take. Yes, really absolutely far more than I
Speaker 1: thought you'd be able to. Yeah, there's no doubt. That's
Speaker 1: what it feels like. When we did the swordfish fishing
Speaker 1: in this roughly the same depth. Um, they're those guys
Speaker 1: have the rod locked off and they're just watching the
Speaker 1: rod tip. They're not feeling it because they're not hitting
Speaker 1: the bottom. They're floating it like and they see a
Speaker 1: tick tick tick. And I think we were using five
Speaker 1: pounds of wait, weren't we there? We had five pounds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so whatever they see in that rod tip, you know,
Speaker 1: but with this with three pounds, yeah, you can very
Speaker 1: much tell that there was a fish on. Did you
Speaker 1: guys ever get a double? No? And we tried leaving
Speaker 1: them getting a hit, letting it sit. Um. No, never
Speaker 1: got a double, but we got it pretty dialed. We
Speaker 1: got a pretty doubt. We went out one day and
Speaker 1: and and didn't do it long and had four And
Speaker 1: I feel like we could have We had two anglers
Speaker 1: and got four, And I feel like me and fits
Speaker 1: were out there and we could have stuck around and
Speaker 1: got eight, which would have been allowed to get that day.
Speaker 1: It's funniest thing in the world. I told my wife
Speaker 1: out doing it, completely unimpressed. She so he just doesn't.
Speaker 1: It feels like cheating because of what because because it
Speaker 1: just reels itself up. But the whole the point of
Speaker 1: fishing isn't the reeling in part. And I told you
Speaker 1: this to No, it's your exerting effort or something. E
Speaker 1: Let's not told her this, And I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: it now. If I took all the things that it
Speaker 1: takes too deep drop up a black cod and threw
Speaker 1: all in a pile on the floor and gave you
Speaker 1: a boat and said, go get me a black cod.
Speaker 1: Figure it out. Uh or I took all of the
Speaker 1: things it takes to catch a large mouth bass and
Speaker 1: threw it on the floor and put you at a lake.
Speaker 1: What do you think you're gonna do? Quicker? M hmm.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you you are never you are never, ever,
Speaker 1: ever ever, I'm gonna catch the black hodon. I ran
Speaker 1: into this with the time I got introduced deep drop
Speaker 1: fishing was when we went out sword fishing. We're with
Speaker 1: these dudes, and we're with this guy. He's a commercial
Speaker 1: sword fisherman. He lives south of the line where you
Speaker 1: can where you can do plagic longlining, so no long
Speaker 1: lining is allowed. You can only hand line sword fish.
Speaker 1: Where where's the line, like somewhere around the Florida border.
Speaker 1: I don't exactly it's in that. I don't exactly know
Speaker 1: where to Joe, Do you know exactly where that line is?
Speaker 1: There's some lines in federal waters whatever. You can't longline,
Speaker 1: so it's um and you can't even rod reel for commercial.
Speaker 1: It's hand lining. And they wait. Swordfish at night come
Speaker 1: up shallow. So they go out and set these buoys
Speaker 1: and they got these these hundred foot lines on these booties,
Speaker 1: and there's a eight and you're out there and you
Speaker 1: got a light on the buoy and you're actually waiting
Speaker 1: for the buoy to start bobbing, and you run over
Speaker 1: in hand line of sword fishing at night or in
Speaker 1: the daytime, they spiral straight down two canyon mouths that
Speaker 1: aret underwater the same way points where he's catching him
Speaker 1: at night. He fishes that same way point, but he's
Speaker 1: catching him a hundred feet from the surface at night,
Speaker 1: and he's fishing that same way point, but catching fish
Speaker 1: one thousand, three hundred feet down in the daytime. Now
Speaker 1: he's black cow. They don't do I don't think that
Speaker 1: they ever experienced anything. They just stay on the bottom.
Speaker 1: So we go out twenty miles and the ocean is
Speaker 1: three dimensional. I don't need to explain. And he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna catch a swordfish twenty miles out feet of water,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you are not. And does all this,
Speaker 1: this and that and the other thing in the right
Speaker 1: And it gets finally gets that thing owner and tap tap,
Speaker 1: and he throws the switch and here comes a seventy
Speaker 1: pound swordfish. I'm thinking, in my head, you will never.
Speaker 1: I don't care how long you live, you will never
Speaker 1: do that again. Yanni's puking out the other side of
Speaker 1: the boat the whole time. You don't even know what's
Speaker 1: going on. He's so sick. We're in a twenty four
Speaker 1: ft boat and he's so sick. We didn't know he
Speaker 1: didn't know he had one on. That's not true. I
Speaker 1: was trying to puke. I couldn't get it out. So
Speaker 1: he then does his whole rigmarole over again. Bam, second
Speaker 1: sword fish. In that moment, I was like, this is
Speaker 1: the pinnacle. This is the pinnacle of angling. Like in
Speaker 1: terms of what I've often said about houndsman, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna take the knowledge required to do something and put
Speaker 1: it into a measurable unit, like how we measure digital
Speaker 1: information and bits of material. If you're gonna take know
Speaker 1: how two uh train a hound and then catch a
Speaker 1: mountain lion in the absence of snow, and then you're
Speaker 1: gonna measure the information that had to be in that
Speaker 1: person's head, it would be vastly, like exponentially greater than
Speaker 1: the bits of information that it takes me to sit
Speaker 1: on the edge of a alfalfa field and shoot a
Speaker 1: deer with my rifle. Not even comparable amounts of information,
Speaker 1: the information that that the bits of information that are
Speaker 1: in that guy's head to go out with that equipment
Speaker 1: and that ocean and pull up two swordfish. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's not even the same ballpark. Is what it takes
Speaker 1: to go into a lake and catch up and catch
Speaker 1: a blue gill off my mom's dot. It's not the
Speaker 1: same thing. So for my wife to be like, I
Speaker 1: don't really get it's not fair. It's like, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about. Well, maybe Joe and Miles can do
Speaker 1: a little report on the last time I deep dropped swordfish.
Speaker 1: We were with the captain in Louisiana and he he
Speaker 1: felt that swordfish were such majestic creatures that it was
Speaker 1: disrespectful to pitch yourself against him with an electric reel.
Speaker 1: And we fished those depths and hand crack artisanal. It
Speaker 1: was miserable, man, but we did with a bespoke real
Speaker 1: I here's my other thing about I like your way
Speaker 1: for the record, Like, I like the other thing about
Speaker 1: deep dropping is this is okay, it's not fishing. And
Speaker 1: I told this to Janni. I'm like, NI says, it
Speaker 1: is fishing. But I'm like, okay, let's say it's not fishing.
Speaker 1: I don't care what it is call itself. That's why
Speaker 1: I try to say deep dropping, because like it's it's
Speaker 1: it's not fishing, it's something else. Sure, whatever it is
Speaker 1: is fascinating, and whatever it is I can see is
Speaker 1: there is a lot of pun intended. There is a
Speaker 1: lot of depth. There is an enormous amount of depth
Speaker 1: to it where I could picture a world and I
Speaker 1: could picture myself becoming very, very obsessed with it. I
Speaker 1: take no argument with the level of depth of this
Speaker 1: and all the things that you just show just mean
Speaker 1: deep water, I don't. I mean more in the metaphorical sense. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: and your your analogy of dropping all the gear and
Speaker 1: saying like catch this or cats that, Like, it makes
Speaker 1: your point clearly. But the argument that it is it
Speaker 1: represents the pinnacle of angling assumes that the pinnacle of
Speaker 1: angling is based on what is the most technically difficult
Speaker 1: way of doing it, and that, to me, is not
Speaker 1: how I personally define the pinnacle of angling. Fair, I
Speaker 1: was totally fair. I think that there's more of an aesthetic,
Speaker 1: like felt experience to it, and I don't think that
Speaker 1: anyone can define the particle of angling for anybody else
Speaker 1: for the record. But that's a great point, man, I
Speaker 1: just don't That's not how I would say. Like, Man,
Speaker 1: that's the thing I aspire to be as an angler
Speaker 1: is the guy who like has the technical details down
Speaker 1: to the most fine minutia to catch the fish. I get.
Speaker 1: I get that it's hard. It's just not not how
Speaker 1: we go about it. When we were talking what I
Speaker 1: was with my brother Danny. When I was with my
Speaker 1: brother Danny and my wife and we were deep dropping
Speaker 1: and doing well, and my wife was um saying that
Speaker 1: it just seemed like somehow like not fishing like. And
Speaker 1: I'll point out that we only have one deep drop
Speaker 1: rig and me and Danny were kind of monopolizing the
Speaker 1: deep drop so so she wasn't. She was a year
Speaker 1: to go and do all the other stuff that you
Speaker 1: do where you get to like do it. So uh.
Speaker 1: In this conversation we're talking about like, well what does
Speaker 1: it mean? And I was saying, part of the fund
Speaker 1: for me is trying to visualize what these things are doing.
Speaker 1: This is it's another planet, man, at that depth, it's
Speaker 1: another planet. It's dark, right, It's like I can't picture
Speaker 1: what's going on down there when they come up there
Speaker 1: like an ice cube. How cold they are. It's so
Speaker 1: damn cold down there. That fish feels like an ice cube.
Speaker 1: So anyways, I was getting off on that, and Danny
Speaker 1: was saying, Okay, well, let's let's extend this logic to
Speaker 1: its extreme. He's like for me to see a fish
Speaker 1: cruising through shallow water and to pick the fish, and
Speaker 1: I can see it's world, I can see its moods.
Speaker 1: I can watch it respond to my cast like that's
Speaker 1: something how like? So getting off on how you don't
Speaker 1: know what they're doing is great, but it's also nice
Speaker 1: to get off on knowing what they're doing, which is fair.
Speaker 1: And when I say the aesthetic experience like that, to
Speaker 1: me personally, is that pinnacle when you you have to
Speaker 1: see the visual cues of what the fish is doing,
Speaker 1: read it's behavior, read all the different things around you
Speaker 1: make your decisions based on that in the moment for
Speaker 1: how you were going to plot your attempt to fool
Speaker 1: that fish and landed. Those are the pinnacle moments for me.
Speaker 1: It's it's definitely site fishing ice ice fish with a
Speaker 1: painter named Ben and I took him. He was a
Speaker 1: he was a fly fisherman, like fish shop, but I
Speaker 1: introduced him to ice fishing, and he was saying how
Speaker 1: he couldn't ice fish without imagining the hole in the
Speaker 1: ice as a birth canal, because he was like, I'm
Speaker 1: so removed from the fish by like a physical, impenetrable
Speaker 1: barrier that when we catch one, I feel as though
Speaker 1: it's passing through some sort of birth canal from one
Speaker 1: world into another. And that's how I felt about these
Speaker 1: black hat coming up. It was like they were being delivered.
Speaker 1: It was like they were being like imagine a hand
Speaker 1: from the past, sort of like penetrating the presence and
Speaker 1: ropping something. It was like they're being like birth from
Speaker 1: one reality to another, like one dimension that there's this
Speaker 1: orifice through which things pass one dimension to another, one
Speaker 1: being the the abyss and the other be in my hand,
Speaker 1: total darkness into sunlight. Yeah, that fish, when he's on
Speaker 1: his way up, he's gotta be like this cannot be good,
Speaker 1: No Joe for you. What's what's the pinnacle of fishing? Um?
Speaker 1: I side more with Miles on this, and I'll say though,
Speaker 1: like deep dropping, it's one of those methods sort of
Speaker 1: like wire line trolling. I have the utmost respect for
Speaker 1: the guys who are very good at it. A lot
Speaker 1: of people think that that's kind of easy stuff like
Speaker 1: go out there, drop down this heavy weight, catch your fish,
Speaker 1: go pull your wire line, you catch your stripers. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of art to both of those and I
Speaker 1: appreciate them very much. But I would rather throw poppers
Speaker 1: at alreny pound black fin tuna in Louisiana than deep
Speaker 1: drop sword fish just because same thing. It's just it's
Speaker 1: the visuals. For me, it's the interaction like that. That
Speaker 1: interaction is part of what's so cool about fishing and hunting.
Speaker 1: But fishing was what we're talking about, like what is
Speaker 1: that fish doing? What am I doing? And how where
Speaker 1: do those two things meet at the end of the line,
Speaker 1: my actions and their actions. That's white like watching rick
Speaker 1: fish more than deep dropping. Oh I'm happy to keep
Speaker 1: doing it. Yeah, yeah, what's your take on it? Though?
Speaker 1: After having done it? You were you were you were
Speaker 1: like a deep drop enthusiast. Last I talked to you,
Speaker 1: I was yeah, yeah, Um, it was tough just having
Speaker 1: the one rig, you know, like you're saying, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of sharing a lot of Sharon going on.
Speaker 1: You definitely need to invest in another rod and reel
Speaker 1: get after most of them. But yeah, no, it's like anything.
Speaker 1: I like figuring it out, you know. And I told
Speaker 1: you I was talking with Well, I was talking with
Speaker 1: his brother. But Jennifer's got cousins there in North Carolina,
Speaker 1: and one of them deep drops for swordfish. And I
Speaker 1: was talking to his brother and I was explaining to
Speaker 1: him about the mock and all that, and he was saying, oh,
Speaker 1: that the muck is the same when we deep drop
Speaker 1: for swordfish. He says, you should call Rob and talk
Speaker 1: to him. He'll give you some good tips on how
Speaker 1: to work at the top of the mud and be
Speaker 1: right where you need to be. What I'm in visualizing
Speaker 1: is I might patent a sinker that has like uh
Speaker 1: some that steals some attributes from the Mars were over.
Speaker 1: It's a streamline three pound sinker that passes through the water,
Speaker 1: but when it gets near the bottom, it deploys a little. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it had and it lands like a Martian rover.
Speaker 1: It's got like a back burner. That's the rig. I
Speaker 1: got a feeling that with those circle hooks you can
Speaker 1: probably just leave it in the rod holder once you've
Speaker 1: got your depth and wait, five ten minutes will be
Speaker 1: in the primordial monk. Well no, not if you said
Speaker 1: it to not get into them, to not let it
Speaker 1: go into the monk unless you think that the muck
Speaker 1: is the depth is changing. I have it on good
Speaker 1: authority that you have to be dragging bottom by people
Speaker 1: who would know. Now I know, so you would make
Speaker 1: it so that the weight is like in the mock,
Speaker 1: dragging it and you have your hooks just above it.
Speaker 1: But did You're not so worried about feeling the fish
Speaker 1: because I think that those fish will just get on
Speaker 1: hook themselves and then probably stay on. That's I feel
Speaker 1: we should take this offline. I get what you're saying,
Speaker 1: but I think that there's I'm trying to be mindful
Speaker 1: of the limits of the audience. I get what you're saying,
Speaker 1: but I feel like we should discuss it later, just
Speaker 1: you know for sure for sure. Well, I need to
Speaker 1: talk to my wife's cousin too, get some thoughts on that. UM.
Speaker 1: I used to think of helmet fishing is being very impersonal,
Speaker 1: but now I feel like I'm in direct communication with
Speaker 1: those They're only three feet down. It's like they were
Speaker 1: like neighbors. I had a haliban experience. I share my story. No,
Speaker 1: I definitely need to share this story. Thought we were
Speaker 1: going to kick it off on this one. I wish
Speaker 1: that was on camera. Well, I'll tell you something. So, uh,
Speaker 1: we fish and halbit little boats. Um, there's like certain
Speaker 1: it's hard to bring a good sized halbitt into a
Speaker 1: little teeny boat because everything is there's too much junk
Speaker 1: in there. Anyways, Its like the average size or what's
Speaker 1: a good size? At what point does a halbit become
Speaker 1: annoying in a boat? Yea an eighteen foot boat? We're
Speaker 1: talking like a like what what I grew up calling rowboats?
Speaker 1: Just like a like we use lund skiffs, very seaworthy,
Speaker 1: rock solid but just no frills, bench seats, open bow,
Speaker 1: aluminum rowboat and as we fish out of because we
Speaker 1: need to be able to drag him up on the
Speaker 1: beach when we leave. So it's gotta be big enough
Speaker 1: for a couple of guys can carry it. That's as
Speaker 1: big as a boat what we can have, Um, and
Speaker 1: when you bring it, like to bring a fifty pound
Speaker 1: halibit into that boat? Is if he's frisky um. It's
Speaker 1: just a lot people on big help like people the gym,
Speaker 1: and break their legs, break their arms, break rods. They
Speaker 1: go bonkers. So the thing we do to prevent him
Speaker 1: from going bonkers is at us like smaller ones. You
Speaker 1: gaff him and just drag him in a little bit bigger.
Speaker 1: You want to buy some time. And so we have
Speaker 1: these harpoon shafts and have a detachable head on it
Speaker 1: that's hooked to a cable leader that's hooked to a
Speaker 1: rope that's hooked to a booty, And when the fish
Speaker 1: comes up, you just jab it through the head and
Speaker 1: this detachable head comes off. It's like a toggle, and
Speaker 1: then throw the booty over the side of the out
Speaker 1: and then the fishes on the line. Oftentimes this process
Speaker 1: the fish comes unhooked from a jhook. But all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, now your fishes harpooned and on a buoy,
Speaker 1: and that buys you all the time in the world.
Speaker 1: You can then do whatever you need to do. This
Speaker 1: booty is probably size of the volleyball the buoy. To
Speaker 1: blame the booty that I'm telling a story about, it's
Speaker 1: about size. It's probably a little smaller in the basketball
Speaker 1: easily easily fits into like easily fits into a five
Speaker 1: gallon bucket. You probably fit two them in a five
Speaker 1: gallon bucket. Inflatable buoy and the inflatable that's only like
Speaker 1: two p s I or something. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: no real air pressure in him. Uh. And then what
Speaker 1: you do is you can grab the rope and the
Speaker 1: buoye's on it and you can pull the fish up.
Speaker 1: You can bleed it. You can just hang it there,
Speaker 1: wait until it stops thrashing it's bled. If it's like
Speaker 1: the next stage up, you can kind of put a
Speaker 1: rope around its tail. You can even tie its tail
Speaker 1: so he's bent into a c and tie them up
Speaker 1: like that and then bring him up in the boat
Speaker 1: so he's not going bonkers. Anyhow, We're out fishing and
Speaker 1: I and we're fishing to spot. The weather is too
Speaker 1: bad to go to the good spots. We have to
Speaker 1: go to the shitty spots. And we're fishing the shitty
Speaker 1: spot and it's shitty, and I'm like, let's go to
Speaker 1: another shitty spot in the middle, go to the other
Speaker 1: shitty spot. And I dropped down bam giant like a
Speaker 1: big Halibit and eventually get out of the boat, and
Speaker 1: we have the conversation we always have, which is like,
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to kill the big, huge halibit because
Speaker 1: they're females, like once they gonna do certain size. Just
Speaker 1: know they're an egg bearing female. They're like a reproductively
Speaker 1: viable female. And we know that this. We have this
Speaker 1: conversation like, yeah, but there's commercial longliners that work these
Speaker 1: same waters, like people are hauling out metric tons of right,
Speaker 1: and all the people in the world, and everyone wants
Speaker 1: to bring some HElib at home, and okay, let's kill it.
Speaker 1: This is every time him. The conversation goes the same way.
Speaker 1: Every time. We have this verbal acknowledgement that there's an
Speaker 1: argentry made for not doing it, and then we justify
Speaker 1: it with, well, why would we do something about global warming?
Speaker 1: China is not right. We have that conversation, so we
Speaker 1: decided to kill the fish. So it comes up and
Speaker 1: it's just head, I mean, like never ending head. It's
Speaker 1: just all head, like as deep down as you can
Speaker 1: see it still it's head. And fits takes the harpoon
Speaker 1: and sticks it in the head and it sounds and
Speaker 1: the hook pops out the fish sounds. The booty goes
Speaker 1: overboard like I've never seen a booey, like if you
Speaker 1: got a hit in the head, but this boody has
Speaker 1: been dead way. This booy goes overboard as the rope
Speaker 1: runs out and the boy gone from the water surface,
Speaker 1: and I just gotta will sink and feeling and we're like,
Speaker 1: well it'll pop up. It'll have to pop up, you know,
Speaker 1: because actually they vanished now and then they come up
Speaker 1: like ten seconds later. It three days later, it hadn't
Speaker 1: popped up. Gone. He's you know they say hook line
Speaker 1: and sinker, harpoon, had rope and booie. He sucked it down. Sorry,
Speaker 1: she you know what. My buddy fits was even making
Speaker 1: a point to say she and her just to rub
Speaker 1: it in. She sucked it down. And we sat there
Speaker 1: for an hour with waiting. Went to get binoculars because
Speaker 1: we went that far from our shack, went to get binoculars,
Speaker 1: come back out, spend a couple more hours, then we
Speaker 1: started doing concentric circles. The next morning we're right back
Speaker 1: out there, never to be seen again. How how much
Speaker 1: do you think that fish wade? Maybe? How big can
Speaker 1: hallib it get? And the state records like five forty
Speaker 1: or four ninety it was. I know they get over
Speaker 1: five pounds. I don't know the state the state records
Speaker 1: and nothing like that. And how old is a hell
Speaker 1: of it to weigh that much? You have to look
Speaker 1: that up. Yeah, I don't know their growth rates. The
Speaker 1: females get big. You really shouldn't be doing this to
Speaker 1: Hall of It, but we did it. Did you talk
Speaker 1: to Ron Layton about the whole experience? No? No, but
Speaker 1: I did call a couple of people. But the best
Speaker 1: theory is Danny's theory. One guy called it a halibut cat,
Speaker 1: and he said it'll pop up, like he said, I mean,
Speaker 1: I've never heard of one being gone more in ten minutes.
Speaker 1: But just hang tight, I said, when it pops up
Speaker 1: as a pop up far away, he goes, I've always
Speaker 1: been shocked how close by it popped up, because I
Speaker 1: think they go straight down then the booty flows them
Speaker 1: straight back up. So he said, just hanging tight. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why aren't you been sitting here an hour? And he's like,
Speaker 1: I keep looking. Danny's theory is this, and this is
Speaker 1: the one I think is correct. I think it sucked
Speaker 1: it down down in the air pressure collapse the booty,
Speaker 1: the water pressure collapse, the booby just so now it's
Speaker 1: just living with a booy. I don't think it's dead
Speaker 1: with a booby. The other theory is that it got
Speaker 1: hung up on something. I don't think it got hung
Speaker 1: up on something, and I think it went down the
Speaker 1: booty collapse. I think it sucked it down a hundred
Speaker 1: feet down or whatever. The booty burst collapsed, it would
Speaker 1: be deflated. But would you pull a rock fish up
Speaker 1: what's its swim bladder? Do? Yeah? Coming out the goals
Speaker 1: gets big going down the it just would have He
Speaker 1: thinks it just deflated it. Maybe even pop the cork
Speaker 1: on the buoy because it's an inflatable booth a threaded
Speaker 1: cork in it. And now that fish just died a slow,
Speaker 1: painful death at the bottom of the ocean, dragging around
Speaker 1: my deflated buoy. We'll continue to talk about letting those
Speaker 1: big ones live, and I might be more inclined. Now.
Speaker 1: I just have a question though, about like really really depressing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that was that was kind of a downer. We
Speaker 1: go ahead with your question. No, just you know, back
Speaker 1: to uh, if a lot of other people do it? Whatever,
Speaker 1: it is that makes it okay? Yeah, because it's like
Speaker 1: I mean, if you bring something out to its logical argument,
Speaker 1: you look at the end result of everyone doing it
Speaker 1: this way or everyone doing it doing X the the
Speaker 1: other way. I just well, let me tell you, let
Speaker 1: me put it this way. So we get a lot
Speaker 1: of questions about hunting ethics and fishing ethics and all this, right,
Speaker 1: and a point I've settled out and I think I
Speaker 1: think I say to people often it's like a great
Speaker 1: start with ethics, a great start, and maybe it is
Speaker 1: the end of your journey. Just do what's legal. Don't
Speaker 1: the law, Like, learn the law and stick to it.
Speaker 1: How does is not just state regulated, it's federally regulated
Speaker 1: because they move their migratory so we like share management
Speaker 1: authority with Canada. We have federal and state regulations on halibu.
Speaker 1: Those halibus say that as a non resid or non
Speaker 1: resident or resident recreational angler, you're allowed to halibate of
Speaker 1: any size every day. Juxtaposed that with this year, officially
Speaker 1: it went from one yellow I rock fisher year to
Speaker 1: zero yellow I rock fisher year. You can have to
Speaker 1: LINKD one in the inch bracket, one in the overt
Speaker 1: in bracket annual limit black cod eight per year, four
Speaker 1: per day. Right, they're not shy about telling you not
Speaker 1: to do ship. They're not shy about it. They're not like,
Speaker 1: we really shouldn't, but every we'll be disappointed. They're very
Speaker 1: king Salmon. They will at the drop of a hat
Speaker 1: say sorry, boys, even you people that have booked to
Speaker 1: King Salmon trip, Sorry, King Salmon season ends tonight. Tough ship.
Speaker 1: So you're allowed to held it per day, any size,
Speaker 1: any size, any sex. Yes, Okay. So if you look
Speaker 1: at the management authority and you say, man, these guys
Speaker 1: don't mess around. They're willing to do some insane ship
Speaker 1: like closed seasons, unexpectedly overnight. Uh, who do I? Who
Speaker 1: do I go? Where do I pick up my cues from?
Speaker 1: But then you're conflicted because these large females always have
Speaker 1: eggs in them, always have eggs in them, are important
Speaker 1: for the the or so I've been told, charter fisherman,
Speaker 1: if you're fishing with a guide, if you're a recreational
Speaker 1: fisherman fishing with a guide, you can't keep those big
Speaker 1: ones because they want to maintain the just reducing reducing
Speaker 1: a stress around the fish, but commercially you can't got
Speaker 1: it like longliners can. If you talk to the captains
Speaker 1: out there, they'll tell you that exactly the same amount
Speaker 1: of big old females are getting killed and brought in.
Speaker 1: It just is they're just letting other groups do it.
Speaker 1: So it's pretty sticky subject up there. Yeah. And the
Speaker 1: other thing is you can go catch small ones and
Speaker 1: then people will be pissed because you're not letting them
Speaker 1: get big. It's a real minefield. I mean ethics, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a whole field of study for reason. All right,
Speaker 1: So that happened. What else? Give me your give me?
Speaker 1: Like a me losing his fish isn't on the show.
Speaker 1: This is after we stopped filming and I was just
Speaker 1: hanging around my family. But the deep drop in his
Speaker 1: on the show, so stay tuned. And then Yanni was
Speaker 1: our little startling adventure is going to be on the show.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of fun. Oh, it's so fun, very beautiful,
Speaker 1: very educational. It falls into my little bucket of doing
Speaker 1: stuff that makes me a little nervous, a little dancing
Speaker 1: at weddings, yeah for sure. Yeah, except we didn't do
Speaker 1: any shots before we jumped into that fifty degree water,
Speaker 1: which wasn't bad and just becoming all that. The training
Speaker 1: that we did with Greg and Alex last year in California,
Speaker 1: even though it was a whole year later, it really
Speaker 1: paid off. I was so much more comfortable just getting
Speaker 1: in there. It was cold, but you warm up in
Speaker 1: like five minutes when that layer of water warms up
Speaker 1: in your suit, and uh, I didn't quite feel like
Speaker 1: Darth Vader, you know, the whole time we were in
Speaker 1: the water whatever, it was a couple of hours. Um,
Speaker 1: it's beautiful down there. And it just all came back,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole friends old technique of popping my ears.
Speaker 1: Like the first time I got down there and I
Speaker 1: felt it, I was like, oh, yeah, I remember to
Speaker 1: do this, and then my ears popped, and yeah. I
Speaker 1: just went about our business. I didn't find any scalps,
Speaker 1: which was a bummer, but it's one of those things
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna have to look for. It's like Morrel's,
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, it's a learned thing. I think. It's
Speaker 1: like I remember being shipped here on the hillside. I
Speaker 1: remember being shocked when I saw my first rock scallop,
Speaker 1: and then now I just kind of know what I'm
Speaker 1: looking for. But I remember being like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's one, and then you wanted like how many of
Speaker 1: those did I pass? Up? Right, it's kind of that
Speaker 1: feeling a quick tibet on depth and the booey and
Speaker 1: all that and what Greg Fonds, the spear fisherman. He
Speaker 1: was saying that he dives in that that temperature water
Speaker 1: with a seven mill suit because the suit compresses so
Speaker 1: by the time you're down to um when you're at depth,
Speaker 1: you're in like a two mill suit or a three
Speaker 1: mill suit. You see what I'm saying, I do, but
Speaker 1: go on, it's interesting. Uh No, I just really enjoyed that. Uh. Historically,
Speaker 1: Ricky did too highlight for picking up those c cucumbers,
Speaker 1: and that is definitely the beginners, Like that's the gateway
Speaker 1: for free diving, right there are those c cucumbers. They
Speaker 1: don't get away, they can't get away from you know what.
Speaker 1: I'm hanging out like one or two and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you go down and you're like, ah,
Speaker 1: there's ten in a row. I was out of breath
Speaker 1: most of the time. I wasn't doing a very good
Speaker 1: job hold my breath. Uh what what what did you have? What?
Speaker 1: Were your impressions just in general closing thought of the
Speaker 1: whole shoot, Yes, the trip and everything. Oh, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the fish Shack is easily one of my
Speaker 1: favorite places. Uh it rains all the time, which is
Speaker 1: pretty terrible for doing camera work, but um, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: trade it. But I'm always amazed how I don't know,
Speaker 1: just those coastal conditions out on the water. It's raining,
Speaker 1: it's cold, it's fifty degrees, it's uh yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: fantastic though, thumbs up, thumbs up. You've got a couple
Speaker 1: of drone shots while we were up, Oh man, some
Speaker 1: beautiful drone stuff, which makes my drone enthusiasm very very high.
Speaker 1: We we had to write. We wrote a song about
Speaker 1: Rick as a drone enthusiast. It's, um, he's got that itch.
Speaker 1: His name is Rich, but it's actually Rick is how
Speaker 1: the song goes, so pretty good lyrics there. All right,
Speaker 1: let's close out with another robust plug for Ben hold On.
Speaker 1: I got a little comment on you know, everybody says,
Speaker 1: how of it? Just like pulling up a piece of plywood.
Speaker 1: Everybody says, everybody says everything. Yeah, Well, I'd like to
Speaker 1: just comment on that and I was thinking about that
Speaker 1: fighting a few how but I caught there a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and like, this feels like any other
Speaker 1: fish you're pulling off the bottom, head shakes. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you didn't know it was a hall of it, it
Speaker 1: could be a big fat grouper. It could be a
Speaker 1: I don't know, think of another fish that just they
Speaker 1: don't go for screaming long runs at least I've never experience.
Speaker 1: It's that, you know, because you've got such heavy tackle. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 1: when you're jigging, you already jigging your jigging way up
Speaker 1: over your head and also bamnam and then you buckle
Speaker 1: in and that head just going boo, almost like it
Speaker 1: like hurt, like if he was hitting your head with
Speaker 1: his head to knock you out. Oh yeah, they put
Speaker 1: up a good all that oh burn door, what suck?
Speaker 1: So I like Alibet for that. They were really fun
Speaker 1: to catch this time again, I've got a little more experience,
Speaker 1: so I think I just I lost one. So I
Speaker 1: feel like I had a good, pretty good hitting catch
Speaker 1: to hook to bite to hook ratio, which is nice.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't let any go, But coming home
Speaker 1: and eating them, you know, I'm not like huge on
Speaker 1: the holb but usually for eating them, they're just it's
Speaker 1: just like a vessel, you know, like everybody describes, right,
Speaker 1: they're just it's me. It's there, doesn't have a lot
Speaker 1: of flavor. Everybody likes it. But I decided to blacken
Speaker 1: one with that blackening. So talk about that that stuff
Speaker 1: that we got in the pint. Yeah, Chef John uh
Speaker 1: White maybe is his last name, I can't remember. Just
Speaker 1: like Instagram buddies, we've never hung out, but he sent us.
Speaker 1: He asked we wanted something. I said sure, so he
Speaker 1: sent us like six pints of his blackening spice. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you follow his directions. Don't put too much on
Speaker 1: both sides, a little bit of oil cast iron, and
Speaker 1: then when you flip it after you see her, the
Speaker 1: first side you put in like depending how much fish
Speaker 1: you got in there, but you know, up to half
Speaker 1: stick of butter, and then just start basting, turning down
Speaker 1: like low and start basting that seared side with the butter.
Speaker 1: And after maybe five minutes when was getting to be done,
Speaker 1: a little bit of white wine. Squeeze a lemon in there,
Speaker 1: keep basting prime prime eating right there. Yeah, yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: give you something it's been I thought i'd go through
Speaker 1: that pint wicked quick, but I barely have a dent
Speaker 1: in it. So alright, one last quick, robust plug for Bent.
Speaker 1: A much better show about fishing than what we just had.
Speaker 1: That was real tangential. I will say, of all the
Speaker 1: projects fishing projects I've worked on over the years, I
Speaker 1: am more excited about this one than anything else I've
Speaker 1: ever done. So I just I just hope I think
Speaker 1: Miles would agree. Um, people have fun with this podcast,
Speaker 1: are entertained by and kind of occasionally walk away going
Speaker 1: what the hell did he just say? Is kind of
Speaker 1: my goal? And not because the sound quality is poor, No,
Speaker 1: not at all. Know if that If that's the problem,
Speaker 1: take that up with Phil. Uh. If it's a content problem,
Speaker 1: you can you can, you can write to us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be produced by meat eaters best exactly, it
Speaker 1: won't be any sounds fill the engineer. When can our
Speaker 1: audiences listen to the podcast every single Friday? Dropping earlier
Speaker 1: early in the morning. If you if you are up
Speaker 1: earlier than this drops, then uh, either you have really
Speaker 1: small children or you're doing more fun things that I am.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, well, you fish more than Miles
Speaker 1: and Night. Yeah, exactly, all right, thanks everyone,