WEBVTT - Ep. 234: Deep Drop Boyz

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<v Speaker 1>This is Me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely

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<v Speaker 1>you stand with on X. While Janice's attendance record has

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<v Speaker 1>been exceptionally poor of late, he's here with us in

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<v Speaker 1>the studio, but he's uh, he's unable to speak up

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<v Speaker 1>right now because he's reading about he's preparing a little

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<v Speaker 1>school report on a on a character named Hobo. He's

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<v Speaker 1>preparing a little school he's going to deliver it to us,

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<v Speaker 1>the equivalent of when your seventh grader does a links

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<v Speaker 1>report and yeah, yeah, he's gonna it might be grade.

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<v Speaker 1>He's gearing up to prepare us a little report on

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<v Speaker 1>links that did did what's his name? Holdo are the

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<v Speaker 1>links did an extraordinary little thing? Uh So that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>why he's being quiet right now. And even you're righty

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<v Speaker 1>to deliver your report to the to the to the audience,

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<v Speaker 1>speak up, uh now. Another piece of housekeeping we have

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<v Speaker 1>with us, Miles Nolt and Joel Surmelli and they have

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<v Speaker 1>like an announcement. We do, but you have a decision

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<v Speaker 1>to make. Um, Joe's not with us, he's over in Jersey,

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern p A. But close enough, Joysy. Uh home, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not at your house? No, I'm at my house. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a guy. But moved across the river for the tax break.

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<v Speaker 1>So so you're you can look over at it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much. I I moved one step closer to America,

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<v Speaker 1>as I like to say. So, uh um, Pennsylvania is

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<v Speaker 1>better on the tax man. There is not as vicious.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, It's like it's like half get more house

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<v Speaker 1>for your money and pay half the taxes by jumping

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<v Speaker 1>the river. Does it kind of hurt your soul though,

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<v Speaker 1>to have to claim p A because for as much

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<v Speaker 1>as you love that Jersey, identity is lost there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I still just go with them from Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean, but if you live here, man,

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<v Speaker 1>you leave that close, you're kind of crazy to to

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<v Speaker 1>not save the money and hop the river. Uh the river?

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<v Speaker 1>You you can fish that river. I remember when Nice

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<v Speaker 1>of fish the Delaware at the Pennsylvania New York line.

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<v Speaker 1>I always thought that it was interesting that they allowed

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<v Speaker 1>you to fish the river with either state's license, and

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<v Speaker 1>they went above and beyond that and made this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of simplified rules so that you didn't have that confusion

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<v Speaker 1>of like you could keep on this bank of the river,

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<v Speaker 1>you're allowed to keep like four large mouth bass or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell right, but on this side of the river it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Or the season's open over here, but it's not open here.

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<v Speaker 1>We still live on the St. Mary's River, which is

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<v Speaker 1>between Michigan and Ontario. Holy sh it, the rules were

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<v Speaker 1>vastly like everything was different. Oh yeah, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>like this very arbitrary seeming line where what side of

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<v Speaker 1>the river you were on everything changed, like the real

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<v Speaker 1>major differences in REGs. It seems just like opening the

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<v Speaker 1>door for people to take advantage of whatever reggs they

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<v Speaker 1>want to abide. Yeah, there was a situation where some

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<v Speaker 1>were sorry, remember I feel like we reported on this.

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<v Speaker 1>Um Joe might remember. You might remember Miles that was

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<v Speaker 1>a tournament bass angler fishing somewhere on the Mississippi had

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<v Speaker 1>inadvertently crossed and into like waters where you weren't allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to high grade fish or something like that. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was Brandon Palink that had happened to and he was

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<v Speaker 1>he was like totally killing everybody, and uh, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a technicality. He didn't realize he was doing something wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean he manned up about it, he owned

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<v Speaker 1>up to it. But he would have stomped that tournament

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have something worth retaining. He like straight into the

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<v Speaker 1>state's waters where you couldn't retain. Yeah, you weren't supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to call you weren't supposed to have fish in your live. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I forget exactly. So is a lot of years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I forget exactly what it was. He's on the wrong

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<v Speaker 1>side of some islands somewhere and in yep. So anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>I always thought it was cool that New York of

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<v Speaker 1>Pennsylvania were like, hey, you got your rules, we got

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<v Speaker 1>our rules, but on this shared water, let's just make

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<v Speaker 1>it that everybody's one license either side. Anywhere in the

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<v Speaker 1>river you have one license. And then we agree that

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<v Speaker 1>the river has its its rags and the river as rags,

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<v Speaker 1>and we don't bring geopolitics into it in such a

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<v Speaker 1>confusing fashion. Well it's funny though, because up north that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's completely accurate, and I think all the legs are shared.

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<v Speaker 1>But I live actually on the title section. So down here,

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<v Speaker 1>like your license, you can access the river from either side,

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<v Speaker 1>launch from either side, fish either bank. But like with

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<v Speaker 1>the migratory fish stripers in particular, Jersey guys can't keep anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Pennsylvania guys can actually keep one out of the river,

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<v Speaker 1>but it all depends on which side you launch on,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can't be sneaky about it. But with the

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<v Speaker 1>migratory fish on the southern end, they legs are not

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the same. Yeah, anyhow, you live over there, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not in Jersey, but you're joining us in Pennsylvania. Now

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<v Speaker 1>the decision you and uh, you guys gotta make. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>you and Joe have to decide if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do your thing now your announcement. Right, we talked about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you go about your business, do what you need

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<v Speaker 1>to do, or you sit here, participate where it makes sense,

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<v Speaker 1>and then do your announcement. I mean, I'm gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's jump this at the front the front of

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<v Speaker 1>the line. Right. Don't don't wait because she could go

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<v Speaker 1>went south when something that should be done no time

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<v Speaker 1>like the presidents, because you might wait and all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden like Rick dies. I don't know that would

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<v Speaker 1>change the whole, That would that would that would change

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<v Speaker 1>the tenor was such a downer after Rick died? Like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, I think it's more like good news.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll go on a two hour tangent. That's probably depends

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<v Speaker 1>on because, as we're talking about earlier, depends on what

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<v Speaker 1>kind of people are listeners are, because if it's the

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<v Speaker 1>last thing they hear, they might then take that direct

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<v Speaker 1>action after that's fresh in their mind. They can't take

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<v Speaker 1>the direct action yet. It's a seed plant. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>a little m hm. Oh, we're wrong. Crin's also going

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<v Speaker 1>to dig a hole even deeper in frenzy emerging. As

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<v Speaker 1>I was telling earlier, Crins are are few, are not

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<v Speaker 1>quite there yet resident GMO Expert's. Everyone's along for the

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<v Speaker 1>ride as Krinn becomes a subject matter expert on GMO

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<v Speaker 1>strawberries and where they end an Arctic char begin tell

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<v Speaker 1>me more. Yeah, let's say that later, but no for

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<v Speaker 1>folks listening now, Oh I can, I can just going

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<v Speaker 1>back to whatever you're doing, Joe and Miles, Crin, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to delete that. Oh you know what, just uh, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll pick up where I left. No, I think we

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<v Speaker 1>should do this. Have Phil people now we're talking, we're

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<v Speaker 1>still talking about if people can hear talking about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but have Phil put up right, and then we'd still

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about it now. But then you've been beeped.

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<v Speaker 1>You create a lot of like enthusiasm for totally totally,

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<v Speaker 1>Like at this point, people are like, by the time

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<v Speaker 1>Joe pregnant again, by the time that folks are are

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<v Speaker 1>hearing us speak the thing, we'll already be known. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we had a book ended. Then how do

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<v Speaker 1>you do that? Well? We we we give the big announcement,

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<v Speaker 1>big reveal, and then a little little reminder like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, I remember that thing we said, you

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<v Speaker 1>can do something about that. I'll put it in terms

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<v Speaker 1>that you would be able to understand, Um, Miles, it

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<v Speaker 1>would be that there's a stinger hook m yep, you

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<v Speaker 1>got you got your main the body of the bait,

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<v Speaker 1>and you realize that he also had the stinger. Throw

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<v Speaker 1>the stinger in there like that stinger come at the

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<v Speaker 1>end though, ye, So you know, if you've been paying attention,

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<v Speaker 1>you already know that meat Eater has been doing a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of phishing stuff for the past year year and

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<v Speaker 1>a half. Now we got we got doss Boat Season

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<v Speaker 1>one out. We have dost Boats Season two coming very

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<v Speaker 1>very soon. We have another little h ice fishing project

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<v Speaker 1>in the works that won't be gone too long. So

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of video stuff, all the all the great

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<v Speaker 1>stuff we do on on the website. And now we

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<v Speaker 1>got a new podcast. Yes we do. You guys get

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<v Speaker 1>to starting for free for free. Well yeah, no, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a paid podcast. I don't do they have those. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just throwing it in. I don't know. Sweet deal,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't even have. You do have to watch me

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<v Speaker 1>do pitches about my underwear on Instagram to watch to

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<v Speaker 1>get that free podcast. That's how this deal works. Well good, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think that's that's a price I can

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<v Speaker 1>free media, free media, advertising, a free thing, more free

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<v Speaker 1>media for meat Eater. For those of you who are

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<v Speaker 1>even like mildly phishing, curious or hardcore fishing, we got

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<v Speaker 1>a new podcast coming for you. And uh no, no

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<v Speaker 1>offense to the whole like mediator podcast thing you guys

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<v Speaker 1>have been doing here. It's great, but it's not just wandering.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not going to be this. It is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be this at all. I'm really interested instead

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, just throwing a few people in room

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<v Speaker 1>letting him shoot the ship for hours on end. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be much tighter than that. It's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>mostly composed of short segments that Joe and I have

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<v Speaker 1>been working on for God Joe, how long have we

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<v Speaker 1>been working on this now? Oh? Months? Man? Since like

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<v Speaker 1>the early pandemic days. Yeah. Remember remember the pandemic was

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<v Speaker 1>just a new thing. That's when we started, Well, this

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be this will pass soon and then we

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<v Speaker 1>can launch that podcast. Yeah, so we've been we have

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<v Speaker 1>been digging into this for months and and it is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be kind of the opposite of the standard

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<v Speaker 1>outdoor media pot cast format in that you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna ramble some, but mostly we're gonna try and keep

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<v Speaker 1>it tight. We're gonna try and keep you entertained. You

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<v Speaker 1>might learn something, who knows, you might, you might laugh,

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<v Speaker 1>you might cry, you might come away feeling like you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't waste your time. I don't know. That's what I'm hoping.

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<v Speaker 1>Fast paced variety show. We're going for left and right

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<v Speaker 1>hooks coming at you constantly. Here. We keep bringing the

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<v Speaker 1>variety show thing in, but all I don't think of

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<v Speaker 1>is Garrison Keeler, And I just don't think we're doing

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<v Speaker 1>Garrison Keeler, Like that's all I can think about when

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<v Speaker 1>I hear us are gonna bring on, Like I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>promising that will never happen, but it's not in any

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<v Speaker 1>of the ones we have. Garrison made a pretty fine product,

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<v Speaker 1>he did, but he is not the template for this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you that Yanny is a real um.

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<v Speaker 1>Yanni has a lot of installed. Yanni likes those old

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<v Speaker 1>NPR shows. He likes those shows that like you're up

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<v Speaker 1>in whatever driving through Duluth on a Sunday, do that

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<v Speaker 1>and you hit the search on your the scroll on

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<v Speaker 1>a rental car and lo and behold here's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like the best of Prayer Home, Companion or cartar Talk.

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<v Speaker 1>That stuff speaks to Yanni like he's nostalgia. He likes

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<v Speaker 1>car talk. I can deal with car talk. I cannot

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<v Speaker 1>just deal with car talk. I like it, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>like it. I like I'm fallen with Rick, Like have

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to it before? Yes? No? I like Companion. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he's I think that he is nostalgic for it? Is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it a sense of nostalgia or does it do

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<v Speaker 1>you actually feel satisfied? Like when you listen to definitely

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<v Speaker 1>listen to it growing up. If you could put a

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<v Speaker 1>bug in Yanny's brain when he hears car talk, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I think the sound would be that comes

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<v Speaker 1>out of his brain. Oh, Joe, I have not I

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<v Speaker 1>am not familiar. You've never heard car talk? No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>never heard it. Those guys are from your neck of

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<v Speaker 1>the woods. Fantastic. Not a public radio man over there

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<v Speaker 1>Boston like too much death metal? Yeah yeah, not a

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<v Speaker 1>public radio guy. Yeah yeah. I think this is the

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<v Speaker 1>first media reference that you haven't gotten that I've been

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<v Speaker 1>a part of, Joe, Like, no matter any media I've reference,

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<v Speaker 1>you've been like, oh yeah, I know that one. Like

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<v Speaker 1>you can roll movies and music, but other podcasts The Day,

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<v Speaker 1>Chester the Fishing Guy, Chester Floyd. If you're in southwest Montana,

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<v Speaker 1>book a trip with Chester Floyd. Uh. He had his

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<v Speaker 1>COVID hair, gone, what's the COVID hair? Like when you

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<v Speaker 1>don't cut your hair? And I told me, look like

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny Loggins look it up. And he didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about. He looked at you when he

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<v Speaker 1>looked when he looked it up. He got a haircut

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<v Speaker 1>very quickly after the next time I saw him, he

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<v Speaker 1>had a haircut too young, No, Kenny Logs, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean he's he's He's not old. Kenny Loggins is in

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<v Speaker 1>a American singer, songwriter and guitarist. Kenny Loggins is a

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<v Speaker 1>dude who was in the right place at the right

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<v Speaker 1>time and a couple of big movies. Man, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, Like from Top Gun and then Footloose.

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<v Speaker 1>From Footloose, didn't you do the caddy check? Wasn't that

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<v Speaker 1>him too? I think I'm pretty sure he was the

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<v Speaker 1>dude they call when you got a big budget movie

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<v Speaker 1>you need a tune for it. I mean I heard

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<v Speaker 1>that he This is way off of this damn podcast

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<v Speaker 1>because I think we got this problem you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>fix with your podcast. Is what I'm gonna say right now.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the problem. Please demonstrate on Okay, let me

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<v Speaker 1>show you what. Let me to solidify the importance of

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<v Speaker 1>this new Fishing podcast. I will tell you a thing

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<v Speaker 1>that would never occur on that show. You would never

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<v Speaker 1>have someone uh tell you how they're understanding is that

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<v Speaker 1>Healey Lewis was supposed to do Ghostbusters. He was spoke

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<v Speaker 1>used to do a song for Ghostbusters and something fell through,

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<v Speaker 1>and then who did Ghostbusters the song? I only know

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<v Speaker 1>who did Ghostbusters too. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know who that one. Well, that tune wound up

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<v Speaker 1>being I I could be wrong here, who you know?

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<v Speaker 1>What this is actually would fit on your podcast because

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<v Speaker 1>this is the age Angler, So this would fit on

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<v Speaker 1>your show. I've got a uh yeah, so it it

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<v Speaker 1>would be a great piece for you guys for your show.

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<v Speaker 1>So just little heads up here. Um my understand is

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<v Speaker 1>the song that came out was a little too similar

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<v Speaker 1>to Huey Lewis's version and it caused some legal ruckuts.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh interesting An, Yeah, you got a new podcast coming out, Parker.

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<v Speaker 1>Might we might have to talk about Hugh Lewis if

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<v Speaker 1>if we did do this form of a podcast, which

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<v Speaker 1>we don't, I want to be clear, but we might

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<v Speaker 1>have to bring Huey Lewis on to defend himself because

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<v Speaker 1>Montana Anglers do not like that guy. I hear that

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<v Speaker 1>he fought really hard to privatize this little stretched water

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<v Speaker 1>that had been public for a very long time, was

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<v Speaker 1>instrumental in that. So he just he's not very well

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<v Speaker 1>liked among the angling community out here. That surprises me

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<v Speaker 1>because he kind of had that sort of happy, go

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<v Speaker 1>lucky everyman he did. That was his deal groove. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he's like, but I don't want all these dirt

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<v Speaker 1>bags trapes and up and down my creek. Don't be

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<v Speaker 1>floating on my water. This this other one, I cannot

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot confirm. This is rumor I heard through the

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<v Speaker 1>guide mill from my guy days. But buddy of mine

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<v Speaker 1>claims he guided him, and he's all excited about He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh god, he would lose my boat. This is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be great. He said that guy got on his boat

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<v Speaker 1>and sang from the moment they shoved off the dock

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<v Speaker 1>to the moment he put the boat back on the trailer.

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<v Speaker 1>And at first he was like, oh this is cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting like my own private do you lose concert?

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<v Speaker 1>And about two hours in he was like Jesus, just

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<v Speaker 1>saying a lot, just saying constantly. He's like, wish I

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<v Speaker 1>brought your plugs hip to be square, which again at

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<v Speaker 1>first it sounds cool, but like four hours in, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's not so cool anymore. I'm pretty sure the conflicting

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<v Speaker 1>Ghostbuster song was I want a New drug? That's what

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<v Speaker 1>sounded too similar to the Ghostbusters theme. Oh thanks for clarification,

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<v Speaker 1>because as I was saying, I felt like I was wrong. No, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I want a new drug d D. It's a pop

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<v Speaker 1>culture nugget right there. Yeah, okay, So what's the name

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<v Speaker 1>of this here podcast? Bent Bent? Short and simple? Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>not get bent, not get bent bent, which speaks to

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of levels. I feel like it's a layered concept. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>your broad has bent, I mean on the most basic level. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>your hook has bent bent in the hook people get bent,

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<v Speaker 1>your hook might get bent out. You're fighting a real

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<v Speaker 1>big it all bent out of shape. Yeah. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>might piss a couple people off that bent out of

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<v Speaker 1>shape about their stream access. That definitely happened. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a little bit because what we're trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>is a little bit different from as we've been talking

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<v Speaker 1>about other podcasts in this genre and in this network.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's uh, it's a little irreverend. It's a little different.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't do things the way that you might expect

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<v Speaker 1>us to, and we may not say the things that

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<v Speaker 1>you're expecting to hear in a fishing podcast. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a hook. It's got a hook

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<v Speaker 1>to it. It's funny, I sure as I'll hope. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's short and tight that that's what we're going for.

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<v Speaker 1>We will not be rambling on about whatever we feel

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<v Speaker 1>like talking about for very long. We have we have short,

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<v Speaker 1>discreete segments where we cover off on topics and uh

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<v Speaker 1>and then move on to the next thing. Quick cleaning

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<v Speaker 1>in general, fishing in general leaves more room just for

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<v Speaker 1>overall goofiness and not taking itself seriously. So we're we're

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<v Speaker 1>totally vibing on that. I mean because because nothing has eyelashes.

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as you start talking about uh, bringing harm

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<v Speaker 1>to eye lashed things is a somberness. Second. Pick that

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<v Speaker 1>out because a buddy of mine I always always used

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<v Speaker 1>to say eyebrows. No I heard recently it's someone's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what it is, man, eyelashes. That's why people

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<v Speaker 1>will do stuff to fish that they would never do

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<v Speaker 1>to it, chipmunk, it's not eyelids. Like the eyelids don't matter,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got they gotta be lashed. Yeah, I think people

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<v Speaker 1>care about because snakes, yeah or all they're I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know they got something going on anyways, sharks. No, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little hairy liners on them. I I think that

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<v Speaker 1>the idea is that we will avoid those those exactly

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<v Speaker 1>those little little left turns, because we're also want to

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<v Speaker 1>do them in this format of podcast, like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>got a thought, but Joe and I are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>rain ourselves in and and the problem with so much

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<v Speaker 1>fishing media is exactly what you said, Joe. It takes

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<v Speaker 1>itself too damn seriously. So we're not gonna do that.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not gonna do that. We we don't promise that

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<v Speaker 1>this fishing podcast will help you catch more fish necessarily,

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<v Speaker 1>but we do hope it will help you enjoy fishing

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more. And it's already helped me catch

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<v Speaker 1>more fish because yeah, because you guys. Let me listen

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<v Speaker 1>to a couple of little pieces and give some notes

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<v Speaker 1>and some feedback. And I heard all about Joe pitch

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<v Speaker 1>the I'm gonna get the name of the lure wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Now was it the super zoom fluke That is a

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<v Speaker 1>fantastically Oh yeah, And I ordered up some of those

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<v Speaker 1>and I've caught trout on the elstone on them since then. Yes, sir, trout,

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<v Speaker 1>you're fishing about the giant. I saw a picture. Didn't

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<v Speaker 1>look too giant. Have been holding wrong or something. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the big part to making giant trout look about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it a tussle, good tussle? Yeah, eat a dry

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<v Speaker 1>no dropper, dropper, my God, would catch some nice whitefish. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>keep tho, no excited, just come home with all the hell.

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<v Speaker 1>But from the fish check and all the shrimp and

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<v Speaker 1>salmon and everything, I just didn't feel like coming home.

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<v Speaker 1>I just all I'd been doing is cleaning fish. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel like clean any fish. But then I'm all go.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear you. It's not very often I touch fish, Liza,

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<v Speaker 1>tell about it. If those fish feel so specs where like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just let me go. It's not amazing. When

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<v Speaker 1>I come up and I saw him stand there, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was done, the old man eater. I was like, nah,

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<v Speaker 1>that that dude. So maybe it will help it help

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<v Speaker 1>you you catch more. Fishing might help you catch more fish.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're not gonna guarantee it at all. There are

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<v Speaker 1>no fish catch and guarantees. The only guarantee we can

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<v Speaker 1>give you is that we'll keep it tight. We'll keep

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<v Speaker 1>it entertaining and be worth the time. How do people

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<v Speaker 1>find Bent? Anywhere else? You get your podcasts? Like, you

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<v Speaker 1>can come to Spotify, you can go to Apple, you

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<v Speaker 1>can come to the Meat Eater website, the mediator dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Click down on that podcast, drop down You'll see Bent

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<v Speaker 1>right there. You just get it. It's easy. Best fishing

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<v Speaker 1>podcast every exist, definitely ever. I think I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>worth mentioning to that. Yeah, I mean, be honest, you

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<v Speaker 1>have a segment you're you're in Bent. Oh well, you

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<v Speaker 1>know I was going to ask him about that, but

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't. Um. I didn't know if that was confirmed yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I auditioned a little bit, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that it had made it in. You know, the

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful job made the cut. All right, your little report.

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<v Speaker 1>He's gonna do another report right now for us. He

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<v Speaker 1>has a report whenever you Yanni is like a he's

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<v Speaker 1>a Bent correspondent. He's a Bent correspondent. And he filed

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<v Speaker 1>the report about a new record fish and did such

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful job because he brought in like like a

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<v Speaker 1>personal angle, but didn't overdo it, didn't try to make

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<v Speaker 1>it like it was all about him, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>informed had a funny husband. Like a funny husband wife

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<v Speaker 1>bit where humor was there was like some no, but

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<v Speaker 1>he knew where the humor was. He knew where the

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<v Speaker 1>pathos was. He knew where like the little marital tensioned

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<v Speaker 1>me just like the um, like the humanity appealing to emotion,

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<v Speaker 1>making an appeal to the to the emotional experience. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's when the guy says the word and his wife

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't want him to say it. You're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>go and the about story. I can't wait till listen

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<v Speaker 1>to this. Yanni's gonna file another report right now. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you ready to report? Yannie? I am okay? What happened? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>Links happened? Links have been uh forever, probably one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most elusive animals to see all of us Links

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<v Speaker 1>and probably wolverines. Have you seen the links? One I

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<v Speaker 1>have red told my link story. I don't. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>remember it right now. I've never seen one. We you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Hall Road, the pipeline road which never ends. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're driving back from the pipeline road. And while we

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<v Speaker 1>were parked along the Hall the Alaska Pipeline, a truck

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<v Speaker 1>had thrown up a rock and shattered out the window.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a long drive with no side window completely

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<v Speaker 1>busted eight hours or whatever. Yeah, as he's come back

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<v Speaker 1>with the wind the windows gone. So I remember the

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<v Speaker 1>drive because it's just like the worst drive in the

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<v Speaker 1>world anyway, when it's dark, but yaw driving along, windows

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<v Speaker 1>busted out, and all of a sudden there's a link

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<v Speaker 1>stand in the road and we pull up to it

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<v Speaker 1>and he looked his He looked at us like, um,

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<v Speaker 1>utter incomprehension, like I would venture to guess, like zero

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<v Speaker 1>interaction with a human, not like um, not like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't see you, not like I know, I gotta get away,

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<v Speaker 1>just like utter incomprehension to what was there in front

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<v Speaker 1>of it? Did you just hang out? Wow? We got out,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he's like, yeah, I would probably go but

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<v Speaker 1>just no, he was just like, what in Sam Hill?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this? Anybody else seen one? Yeah? Didn't you guys have?

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<v Speaker 1>Nick's always doing all kind of fake animals. Oh that's

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<v Speaker 1>all right now he's kind of like actual animals. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean they're all actual animals, just some of them. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that links was totally habituated. It was like, I know

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<v Speaker 1>what you guys are do you have any snacks? So

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<v Speaker 1>you saw one, tell me the story real quick. It

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<v Speaker 1>was off the side of the road. We were filming

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<v Speaker 1>thermal footage, nighttime stuff, so he saw in the dark. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I picked it up on a thermal camera. Mm hmm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll share a quick story with about that. Thermal stuff

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<v Speaker 1>is interesting. So I was talking to these dudes years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the highlights of my life is I got

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<v Speaker 1>to go down and talk to the third Special Forces

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<v Speaker 1>Group at Fort Bragg and I got to shoot ship

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<v Speaker 1>with some of those kids afterwards. So he's a Green

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<v Speaker 1>Brays and we got to shoot the ship and he

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<v Speaker 1>was telling me a story. One of these kids is

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<v Speaker 1>telling me a story that they were in some past

0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:33.280
<v Speaker 1>in Afghanistan and they hit these Taliban guys coming over

0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 1>this pass and one of them had some kind of

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 1>like some kind of anti aircraft gun or some kind

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:40.680
<v Speaker 1>of like big I can't remember what are you telling

0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:43.159
<v Speaker 1>me what the gun was. He was carrying it, and

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:47.919
<v Speaker 1>they hit the dude and he drops the thing and

0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:52.200
<v Speaker 1>then everybody drags him off. So they just sit there

0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:56.680
<v Speaker 1>with a thermal scope knowing an eventually someone's gonna want

0:26:56.680 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 1>to come out and grab this gun and they're just

0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 1>set up waiting to get whoever comes out to get

0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:03.560
<v Speaker 1>the gun. And he tells me that as he's watching

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:05.080
<v Speaker 1>with his thermal scope in the middle of the night,

0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:07.680
<v Speaker 1>he says, a snow leopard came out and sniffed around

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 1>that spot. That wild Pretty cool, go on, Miles. All

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:17.240
<v Speaker 1>all my for the most part, animal setting stories were

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.240
<v Speaker 1>the same. It's when I was guiding in Alaska in

0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 1>the middle of nowhere and I'm like focused on whatever

0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:23.399
<v Speaker 1>doing now. At the court of my I see movement, like, oh,

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:25.000
<v Speaker 1>that's what that is. It's not there's none of them

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:29.119
<v Speaker 1>are good stories, Like there is no art, Like nothing

0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:31.760
<v Speaker 1>cool happens. I'm just like, oh, I saw Wolverine one time,

0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 1>but nothing happened, and there was a Lynx one of them. Yeah,

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I saw a Lynx. Once I saw Wolverine, what was

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 1>he doing? He was basically slinking along the edge of

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:42.840
<v Speaker 1>the timber. I think he popped out to see what

0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:44.720
<v Speaker 1>was going on, like what we were up to, and

0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:46.879
<v Speaker 1>then saw Uce was like, I'm out of here. I'm gone.

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't wanting to do with it. Well, most of

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:56.960
<v Speaker 1>the time you were going to if if anybody has

0:27:57.000 --> 0:28:01.720
<v Speaker 1>everyone would say no, even in places like Colorado in

0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 1>the lower forty eight where you have some Even in

0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:07.399
<v Speaker 1>Alaska where you have a bunch out of six people

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:12.119
<v Speaker 1>in this room, I agree that. Yeah. Well, if I

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:16.000
<v Speaker 1>hadn't that one, all of us had one lucky moment.

0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:20.160
<v Speaker 1>It's easy to picture having not seen well, no here,

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 1>it's only in our in our of our group, I

0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen one. Three out of five. That's not fifth count.

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh you ever seen one over there in uh Jersey, Pennsylvania. Nope, nope.

0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Uh So they along just like they've been studying a

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of other animals with GPS. Colleges are starting

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 1>to do that with links now too, and they're finding

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:52.480
<v Speaker 1>out some wild stuff. Um Like, they're taking these crazy

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:55.560
<v Speaker 1>long migrations. This is where Hobo comes in with the

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 1>longest known LINKS migration. He comes in just shy of

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty were hundred miles in a single migration in about

0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 1>thirteen months he did this. He started off I can't

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 1>remember the name of the park in Alaska, but um

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:14.440
<v Speaker 1>like southern half of Alaska, and then cut over into

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 1>um into uh I guess it would be Northwest Territories,

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 1>and then headed south a male looking for me. They

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 1>don't know, they haven't interviewed, they don't know yet. I know,

0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:28.480
<v Speaker 1>but predators tending that to go yell crazy. I can

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 1>answer all these questions you have after reading my short

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:35.240
<v Speaker 1>little article, because they certainly think that, and they used

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 1>to think that they had like twenty two square mile ranges.

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 1>But then one time, this one trapper in one year

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 1>on a seventy seven mile seventy seven mile long trap

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 1>line caught like over a hundred links is And they're like, well,

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 1>how could that be because there's only one, you know,

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 1>male that moves around every twenty two miles and you

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 1>do the math, and he should have only caught whatever

0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 1>it was. Um, so they started wondering, and so they

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:01.160
<v Speaker 1>started doing more research on it or whatever. So they

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:04.160
<v Speaker 1>don't really know. They do know that part is probably

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 1>related to the fecundity. And then that's related to super

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 1>high numbers in snowshoe hairs, because this that is the

0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 1>classic snowshoet hair, the sick list seven year cycle, yeah

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:17.560
<v Speaker 1>I think it was. The article said like eight to

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 1>eleven when the snow shoe hairs go up, So right

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:25.080
<v Speaker 1>now they're super high and they're they're seeing um litters

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:30.080
<v Speaker 1>sometimes of close to ten kittens. Yes, there's there's some

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 1>pictures in that. It's a lot of little links babies. Yeah.

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 1>I was reading one time that when links, when snowshoe

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:40.240
<v Speaker 1>hairs are down, they'll have a recruitment rate of zero

0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 1>percent links. It's that hard on them. When their food

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 1>source collapses, they'll have a year where they like years

0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 1>or in the areas where they think that there was

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:53.640
<v Speaker 1>zero recruitment. You would think they divertify those food sources

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:56.400
<v Speaker 1>at some point, like they'd find something else to eat on.

0:30:56.960 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 1>T's not a good strategy. Talk to the raccoons, man,

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 1>are you doing this? The researchers were saying that it

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 1>very much explains why um, there isn't like genetic diversity.

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty much like it doesn't matter if you're in

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 1>the Brooks range or if you are in you know,

0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:23.160
<v Speaker 1>the farthest eastern range of the lynx Is range in Canada.

0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Somewhere a links is the links of the links. And

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:30.720
<v Speaker 1>they figured that's because they make these crazy, crazy movements around,

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:35.080
<v Speaker 1>they don't get the population segments. I read another that's

0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 1>why I read another interesting piece of links research. I don't.

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember if we covered it on this show

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 1>or not a while ago. But they used to think

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:45.840
<v Speaker 1>that there were, uh that some of the major rivers

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 1>were genetic barriers. And they had some links wearing tracking things,

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 1>and they realized not only are the rivers not a barrier,

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:56.479
<v Speaker 1>but they had links that would cross some of these

0:31:56.600 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 1>rivers they thought were barriers, would cross the multiple times

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:05.560
<v Speaker 1>in a day. Interesting, Yeah, Yukon river. Do you think

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 1>about it? Swim across that thing you shoot across? No problem.

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Well they probably also crossed a lot in winter. No, no, no,

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:15.320
<v Speaker 1>that they were pointing out that they thought it could

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 1>only happen when frozen, but they were pointing out they

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 1>were squirting across these rivers in open water. That'd be

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:26.960
<v Speaker 1>cool to see. Yeah. So yeah, that's my that's my

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:31.040
<v Speaker 1>little report on links crazy links are up to I

0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 1>give him a plus thanks because he was able to answer,

0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:39.720
<v Speaker 1>he was able to show his work answer questions A plus.

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 1>What do you get? Yeah, a solid. He didn't he

0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't refer to other sources outside that one article. I'm

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 1>gonna be it was a single source, and he didn't

0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 1>have an original argument. It was just regurgitation. But I mean,

0:32:56.080 --> 0:33:02.000
<v Speaker 1>that's the point of us, that's what the task for

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.320
<v Speaker 1>the audience. I had been meaning to read the article

0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:06.960
<v Speaker 1>to which I had links link, not a links, I

0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 1>had a link, and I have been meaning to open

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>that link and read because I saw the headline about

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:14.120
<v Speaker 1>a links going real far away. And so just before

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:16.360
<v Speaker 1>we started the show, I emailed the link to Yann

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:18.760
<v Speaker 1>and asked me if he could prepare prepare a report

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:20.800
<v Speaker 1>so for what he had to deal with in the

0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:22.720
<v Speaker 1>time he had to deal with it, I thought that

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 1>he took ownership with the material, delivered it as though

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 1>it was something that was in his mind. On t

0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:32.240
<v Speaker 1>counts for a lot, very timely. I'm sticking by the

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>A plus. I don't think he needs extra credit. Do

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:37.720
<v Speaker 1>you want to give extra credit? No, I said, I

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:40.760
<v Speaker 1>don't think he needs extra credit. Like maybe yeah, like

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm like some kind of poster board. He can

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 1>pay some pictures. Oh yeah, No, he should a print

0:33:47.680 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 1>out from a magazine or something. So, are you gonna

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 1>dig your hole even deep round GMOs or you've done

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 1>You've done the GMO subject. I will dig it even deeper. Okay, okay,

0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:10.560
<v Speaker 1>can you first give it recap of what the problem is, yes,

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:15.399
<v Speaker 1>and then how the problem got worse. So Steve has

0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 1>oftentime referred to the superior tasting small strawberries that he's

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:26.200
<v Speaker 1>grown in his garden, and that if you go into

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:28.400
<v Speaker 1>the grocery store and you pick up a pint of

0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:34.880
<v Speaker 1>really beautiful looking strawberries, they often taste like crap or nothing.

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Bigger the worst, the bigger, the worst. So a couple

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:44.440
<v Speaker 1>of episodes ago, I pulled out an old thing that

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 1>I had remembered and not fully understood from a while back,

0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh, that is because you know,

0:34:54.080 --> 0:35:05.319
<v Speaker 1>strawberries made. It was ish. Strawberries have been developed in

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 1>a lab with genes from Arctic fish to make them

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:15.319
<v Speaker 1>more frost resistant, and I guess robust and hardy, you know,

0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:20.359
<v Speaker 1>refrigerated and to last longer. So we got a lot

0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 1>of mail, emails, mails. Some folks were really riled up.

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:34.479
<v Speaker 1>Deep strawberries I didn't know this but inspired deep passions, Yes,

0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 1>deep passion. Production of strawberries inspires deep pass Absolutely. There

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 1>are some helpful, informative, even keeled messages. Other folks were

0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 1>up in arms. We got one man child right in

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:56.200
<v Speaker 1>if I may say um anyway, So so in a

0:35:56.800 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 1>previous episode, I kind of I will absolute own that

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:03.959
<v Speaker 1>what I had mentioned was wrong. But the reason why

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:07.240
<v Speaker 1>it was wrong is that there is a certain list

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:11.759
<v Speaker 1>of genetically modified crops that are on the market in

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:15.399
<v Speaker 1>the United States, and strawberries are not one of those. Right,

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 1>share with me the list again. So according to the

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 1>f d A, we've got corn, soybean, cotton, Oh yeah, potato, papaya,

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 1>summer squash, canola, alfalfa, tomatoes. How did papaya? What I'm wondering,

0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 1>I've got a thing about papaya. Hold your horses, so

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 1>you can buy a GMO papaya. Yeah, papaias papaya is

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:42.600
<v Speaker 1>our GMO. But hold, I'll adjust that in a bit.

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:49.120
<v Speaker 1>Where did I leave off alfalfa, apple, sugar beets? No, no, tomatoes,

0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:55.799
<v Speaker 1>nova tomato or something like that. So, so I was

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:59.719
<v Speaker 1>wrong exactly. I was wrong because I said GMO strawberries.

0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:02.800
<v Speaker 1>But GMO we don't have demo strawberages in the United States.

0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I just want to know about right, So, and folks,

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 1>if you know more about this, please right in. Well,

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 1>what I'm going to propose, I still want you to

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:16.839
<v Speaker 1>carry on. But what I'm going to propose is that,

0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:23.840
<v Speaker 1>why don't you go and get us a great GMO expert.

0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:28.759
<v Speaker 1>I want a GMO apologist, not an anti GMO person,

0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 1>because I can already picture what the anti person is

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 1>gonna say. I want to find a guest you should

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:39.319
<v Speaker 1>track down for us, a guest who's a not a

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 1>GMO apologist, but a GMO realist. Yeah, someone who could

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:46.080
<v Speaker 1>say like, oh yeah, man, I could see all these

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:49.520
<v Speaker 1>negatives and there's something to them, but I can also

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:53.720
<v Speaker 1>see some positives and there's something to those. So there's

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:59.480
<v Speaker 1>cursory research on this Wikipedia which is whatever that's I

0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 1>get a D minus for that for that for that source. Um,

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 1>But there is I believe it is from Arctic chart

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:15.120
<v Speaker 1>like bacteria on the skin, where that there is something

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:19.480
<v Speaker 1>made from that that is applied and sprayed on strawberries

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 1>to help protect the berry and transposent. Then it's washed off. Everyone.

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:27.839
<v Speaker 1>If I've said anything wrong, hold me to account. So

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:32.400
<v Speaker 1>they're taking some fish slime, something that's in fish slip

0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 1>berries and then getting the back off to the best

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:42.040
<v Speaker 1>of my understanding. And there is also something called bio prospecting,

0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:45.399
<v Speaker 1>which is the search for plant and animal species from

0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 1>which medicinal drugs and other commercially valuable compounds can be obtained.

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this falls under that category technically

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:57.360
<v Speaker 1>of what that is, but I didn't um that that's

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 1>the relationship that I've found from Wikipedia. I have yet

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 1>to delve into all this scientific journal articles about that.

0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 1>I'd rather have arctic charge line on my strawberries than

0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of other nasty things I can imagine. Me

0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:15.719
<v Speaker 1>give me the fish line. I'm good with that. Yeah, no,

0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 1>it's not off putting to me. UM. When I was

0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 1>in school, I took this class the literature of natural history,

0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:28.839
<v Speaker 1>and one of the books by bye Hank Caarth Hell's

0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:31.200
<v Speaker 1>last name was died of tragic death. Him and his

0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:35.920
<v Speaker 1>wife drowned canoe and the professor and flathead like biggest

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:40.799
<v Speaker 1>natural lake west of the Mississippi. Um. He had a

0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:43.240
<v Speaker 1>cabin on wild Horse Island, which is where the biggest

0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:47.719
<v Speaker 1>big horn sheep ever came from. But the point being

0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:51.239
<v Speaker 1>about him, we read this this book as part of

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:52.440
<v Speaker 1>his class. He had to read this book. It was

0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:56.600
<v Speaker 1>about like bioengineering, and it was looking at natural structures

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:02.600
<v Speaker 1>like how they how you look at cobb web elasticity

0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:08.279
<v Speaker 1>and arrangement honey, and ways in which natural structures inform engineering,

0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:10.759
<v Speaker 1>which is pretty It's really interesting. I would like to

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:14.759
<v Speaker 1>get someone like that bioengineering person on the show. Joe.

0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Does this conversation feel familiar to you? You beat me

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:20.279
<v Speaker 1>to it. We were just talking about how there's something

0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:22.799
<v Speaker 1>similar here with the study of carp scales and how

0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:26.239
<v Speaker 1>it will translate to building better body armor for humans.

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:27.960
<v Speaker 1>But if you want if all the details, you're gonna

0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:30.279
<v Speaker 1>have to listen to Bent. But Bent covers. Yeah, but

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 1>just just saying, is it like a long window. It

0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 1>is much more suctinct than this. Basically I just said

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:41.279
<v Speaker 1>exactly the whole thing. Yeah. Wait, I've got one more

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:45.000
<v Speaker 1>thing about strawberries. So I know this has been weighing

0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:49.680
<v Speaker 1>on you. So I spoke to a farmer in Georgia

0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:53.200
<v Speaker 1>and he has a couple of things to note in

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:58.320
<v Speaker 1>response to your why do you homegrown strawberries taste better?

0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:02.680
<v Speaker 1>And he says that the reason why, or one potential

0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:07.880
<v Speaker 1>reason why homegrown strawberries maybe sweeter and more flavorful, is

0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:12.600
<v Speaker 1>because they're under more stress than commercial strawberries, which I

0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:18.560
<v Speaker 1>found very interesting. So, when you are farming strawberries for market. Um,

0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:22.000
<v Speaker 1>everything is perfect, the irrigation, the nutrients, everything is just

0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:24.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a well oiled machine to get as

0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:29.320
<v Speaker 1>much yield as possible. Um. But perhaps in your garden,

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't not sure how you're treating them.

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:37.680
<v Speaker 1>You're you're maybe watering them regularly. There's something maybe missing.

0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Just I'll hacking my way through it. Yeah, there you go.

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:43.680
<v Speaker 1>You're hacking your way through it. And I'm taking a

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:47.640
<v Speaker 1>bunch of different types of things and giving them all

0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 1>a general treatment and not necessarily fine tuning all of

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 1>their treatment. You're sort of like, you know, like a

0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:57.239
<v Speaker 1>classic vegetable garden. You got like eight things you try

0:41:57.560 --> 0:42:00.560
<v Speaker 1>treated all the same way. Absolutely, the amount of water,

0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:03.759
<v Speaker 1>the aunt of sun, aunt of whatever. And maybe there's

0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 1>something missing that the strawberry needs, you know, more than

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:12.239
<v Speaker 1>the green beans. But one example this gentleman mentioned was that,

0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:15.160
<v Speaker 1>for example, like carrots, let's say that they freeze. If

0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:18.759
<v Speaker 1>the plant is under stress, they may release flavonoids and

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:22.080
<v Speaker 1>the flavor may development. More So, Let's say with carrots

0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:24.919
<v Speaker 1>that have are are in the process of being about

0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:27.960
<v Speaker 1>to freeze, the plant may produce sugars to help protect

0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:32.640
<v Speaker 1>the cells, lower the freezing point, so when we're eating it,

0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:35.719
<v Speaker 1>more of the flavor is actually more sugar content is

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:39.560
<v Speaker 1>derived from stress that we're that we're tasting. So he

0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 1>said he doesn't know the scientific explanation for all of that,

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 1>but I felt like that was pretty interesting. Yes, when

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:49.120
<v Speaker 1>you find a wild strawberry which just has these like

0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 1>teensy teensy little leaves, and it throws off this compact

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:58.879
<v Speaker 1>but extremely flavorful little berry, and he's really up, he's

0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:00.920
<v Speaker 1>really up against it. And I was talking about this

0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:03.880
<v Speaker 1>with my brother who he's he works for the U.

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:07.239
<v Speaker 1>S d A. And UH does a lot of stuff

0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:10.560
<v Speaker 1>with crops and plants. And we're out one day commenting

0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:14.520
<v Speaker 1>on um this wild raspberry patch and I was like,

0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:17.919
<v Speaker 1>I wonder why these wild raspberries liked this spot so much?

0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:21.000
<v Speaker 1>And he has this interesting concept he explained to me

0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:25.680
<v Speaker 1>where it's like, it's probably not that they like that spot,

0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:30.040
<v Speaker 1>it's just that's the spot that they can be that

0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:35.880
<v Speaker 1>they're not out competed and overstressed. So what you're seeing

0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:39.399
<v Speaker 1>is you're seeing them where they can grow, not where

0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:42.359
<v Speaker 1>they want to grow. Meaning if you took that same

0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:45.680
<v Speaker 1>plant home until the patch of ground and pulled all

0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:48.120
<v Speaker 1>the weeds and gave it its own piece of turf.

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:50.960
<v Speaker 1>It might be like, no, bro, this is where I

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:54.400
<v Speaker 1>want to be. I'm stuck on that rocky ass hillside

0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 1>on the mountain because all the things that kill me

0:43:57.840 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 1>don't get me there. It'd be like if you find

0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:04.680
<v Speaker 1>some like holdout person living in a cave in the mountain.

0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:07.279
<v Speaker 1>People like to be in these caves way up in

0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 1>the mountains. He might be like, no, man, I don't know.

0:44:09.560 --> 0:44:12.000
<v Speaker 1>This is where I gotta go, right, But he's hardier

0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:15.360
<v Speaker 1>to get away from trying to kill me. It's like,

0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:18.319
<v Speaker 1>this is where I gotta be. The takeaway from this

0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:22.839
<v Speaker 1>is that the shittier gardener you are, the better your fruits,

0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:26.239
<v Speaker 1>and you might be cranking out like really good, bad,

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:30.120
<v Speaker 1>really well for my gardens. Not to complicate this whole discussion,

0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:34.400
<v Speaker 1>but I've eaten strawberries out of a big commercial, you know,

0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:37.640
<v Speaker 1>growing area, just like riding my bike through south of

0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Santa Cruz. They grow out of strawberries and just picking

0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:44.359
<v Speaker 1>those strawberries, they taste amazing and they're big. We had

0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:46.440
<v Speaker 1>other people, because we've been on the strawberry thing for

0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:53.160
<v Speaker 1>other people, no, right, but we had people explained that, Um,

0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:55.719
<v Speaker 1>we had a strawberry producer right in and explained that

0:44:55.800 --> 0:45:01.800
<v Speaker 1>people shop with their eyes, and um, when they're commercially

0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:04.680
<v Speaker 1>producing strawberries, it's like a thing that they know is

0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:07.480
<v Speaker 1>a value. Is that it that it can turn red

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:10.319
<v Speaker 1>and stay not rotten for a long time. So it's

0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:14.879
<v Speaker 1>got good shelf capabilities and it has it has eye

0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:18.640
<v Speaker 1>popping appeal because people aren't biting it and then buying it.

0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:22.000
<v Speaker 1>They're like, oh my gosh, how big and red that

0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:26.120
<v Speaker 1>thing that looks like an amazing strawberry, and they just

0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:30.640
<v Speaker 1>don't really care. You could have some weird blemished the

0:45:30.680 --> 0:45:33.560
<v Speaker 1>ones on top of all moldy, but be like, these

0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:35.640
<v Speaker 1>are the best strawberries you'll ever taste. To be like,

0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:41.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm about buying app crazy looking wardy, half green, Yeah, strawberry.

0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:47.359
<v Speaker 1>I want the big sons of guns. Okay, moving on,

0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:49.640
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna come back, are we good? On? Bent for Knox?

0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:53.279
<v Speaker 1>We'll come back. Remind everybody about it. I mean, we're

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:57.759
<v Speaker 1>gonna find opportunities wherever in like, as you notice. But

0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:00.360
<v Speaker 1>the next moment, yeah, for the moment, the next ding

0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:03.200
<v Speaker 1>I want to discuss Rick, why do you feel that

0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:05.480
<v Speaker 1>you're so bad at fishing. Well, I was. I was

0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:07.560
<v Speaker 1>just gonna say that there's no amount of podcasts that

0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:11.920
<v Speaker 1>I could listen to, uh too to fix what I

0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:16.319
<v Speaker 1>got going on what happens? I mean, I say that,

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:20.040
<v Speaker 1>but you know, mostly all the hunting fishing is like

0:46:20.360 --> 0:46:22.880
<v Speaker 1>I understand in theory because you get to observe it

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:25.160
<v Speaker 1>and observe it just for background, it's we're talking to

0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Rick Smith, he's one of our prize most cherished cameramen.

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:30.960
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of work with us and now and

0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:34.560
<v Speaker 1>then opportunity strikes and there's a down minute and and

0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Rick gets to fish for a second, and just it's

0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:44.239
<v Speaker 1>such bad fishing. And I consider myself like have an

0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:47.040
<v Speaker 1>ability to watch somebody do something and like pick things up,

0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:49.359
<v Speaker 1>whether it be like athletic activities or whatnot. Like I'm

0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:52.800
<v Speaker 1>not an uncoordinated person. But the fishing thing, it's amazing

0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:54.799
<v Speaker 1>how bad I am. I'll say, well, I think you're

0:46:54.800 --> 0:46:58.279
<v Speaker 1>bad at fishing. I think that a big part of

0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:00.719
<v Speaker 1>being a good angler is you just know it's going

0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:06.240
<v Speaker 1>to turn around. Confident. I feel like I'm an optimist,

0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:09.319
<v Speaker 1>but I don't understand the whole uh because you fish

0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:12.040
<v Speaker 1>as though you can't picture getting one because I've never

0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:16.640
<v Speaker 1>really caught what does that look like? Kind of passivity?

0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:20.520
<v Speaker 1>The sort of passivity is sort of like, um, what's

0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:24.480
<v Speaker 1>it called when? Uh not ambivalence? No, but since I

0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:35.279
<v Speaker 1>can't a certain fatalism, I feel like this happens to

0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 1>every angler. You show up at a spot and until

0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:42.000
<v Speaker 1>a person catches a fish, that spot is like unproven.

0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:45.800
<v Speaker 1>So but as soon as somebody catches a fish, everybody

0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:48.360
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, there's fish here, and then there's like

0:47:48.719 --> 0:47:51.799
<v Speaker 1>different you fish different, like an increased like, oh I'm

0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:55.000
<v Speaker 1>not catching fish because I'm doing something wrong versus there's

0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:58.280
<v Speaker 1>no fish here. I kind of have the perspective always

0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:01.160
<v Speaker 1>there are no fish here, and they caught one, and

0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:07.399
<v Speaker 1>that means now they're especially gone. That's that's right. You're like, oh,

0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:10.239
<v Speaker 1>so there was like one year and now someone else

0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:12.719
<v Speaker 1>caught it. What's the point, how could there be another one?

0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:16.200
<v Speaker 1>It comes from I mean, to be an adult and

0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:19.080
<v Speaker 1>never have spent any time fishing. Is I don't know.

0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm probably in the minority, like every even people that

0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:27.040
<v Speaker 1>don't hunt fish have fished. I I detected you too.

0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:33.560
<v Speaker 1>When you're fishing a lack of lustiness. Uh yeah, yeah.

0:48:33.640 --> 0:48:38.239
<v Speaker 1>My brother blames um like a lack of want. Yeah,

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:42.160
<v Speaker 1>he blames blowing shots on elk and deer with his

0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:47.080
<v Speaker 1>bow to a lustiness, like he wants it so badly

0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:50.120
<v Speaker 1>that the desire actually prevents him from getting it, like

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:52.520
<v Speaker 1>he's too If he could just somehow not want it

0:48:52.719 --> 0:48:56.600
<v Speaker 1>as bad, he would probably have better luck getting Since

0:48:56.600 --> 0:48:58.320
<v Speaker 1>I've never really caught a big fish, I mean, I

0:48:58.400 --> 0:49:00.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of a rock fish I think is my only

0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:04.360
<v Speaker 1>take from from Alaska. But since I didn't really catch anything,

0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:08.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what it's it's all, it's it's imaginary.

0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Catching a big fish is like something other people do.

0:49:13.000 --> 0:49:15.279
<v Speaker 1>I haven't. I need to internalize it more that it's

0:49:15.320 --> 0:49:17.520
<v Speaker 1>possible for me to catch a big fish. What do

0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:20.440
<v Speaker 1>you think is his problem does he have? Yeah, it's

0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:23.799
<v Speaker 1>just lack of experience. This hasn't done it enough. Like

0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:26.600
<v Speaker 1>a hook is such a thing that you guys obviously

0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:28.560
<v Speaker 1>just understand that you have to explain, like, oh, if

0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:35.480
<v Speaker 1>you're fishing with sea hooks, what are those? Yeah, point proven,

0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:42.919
<v Speaker 1>but that you want to note, which that assumes that

0:49:42.920 --> 0:49:44.880
<v Speaker 1>that should be the first thing that I do is

0:49:45.280 --> 0:49:47.359
<v Speaker 1>is set the hook and I don't even. I mean, like,

0:49:47.840 --> 0:49:49.480
<v Speaker 1>I see you guys doing it, but I don't really

0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:52.279
<v Speaker 1>it's not a reaction of mine. Like fish bites and

0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:59.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh fish yeah. Are you saying you don't

0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:01.640
<v Speaker 1>set the hook with a circle hook or you do?

0:50:01.680 --> 0:50:06.600
<v Speaker 1>So I can explain, I can explain it. I find

0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:09.640
<v Speaker 1>that when people, uh so listeners always to think all

0:50:09.640 --> 0:50:12.160
<v Speaker 1>the circle hook and circle hook uh think of a

0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:16.120
<v Speaker 1>J hook as looking like a candy cane right when

0:50:16.120 --> 0:50:17.839
<v Speaker 1>it's in something. I'm not telling you this, but it's

0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:20.960
<v Speaker 1>telling it's like a candy cane hook. So when it's

0:50:21.000 --> 0:50:25.360
<v Speaker 1>in something there there needs to be constant pressure to

0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:27.440
<v Speaker 1>have it stay where it is. I mean, there's a

0:50:27.440 --> 0:50:29.440
<v Speaker 1>barber and all that, but like generally speaking, you need

0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:32.400
<v Speaker 1>to keep attention on it um or else just like

0:50:32.719 --> 0:50:36.440
<v Speaker 1>falls out. Right. Imagine the old skit where someone's on

0:50:36.480 --> 0:50:38.799
<v Speaker 1>a theater stage and you take you take them off

0:50:38.840 --> 0:50:41.800
<v Speaker 1>with the hook, like if you just drop the hook

0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:44.920
<v Speaker 1>that the thing falls away and the guy stays on

0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:48.239
<v Speaker 1>the stage. So a circle hook has bent in such

0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:50.120
<v Speaker 1>a way and gets hooked in the fish's mouth in

0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:52.520
<v Speaker 1>such a way that it's not likely to fall away.

0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:54.640
<v Speaker 1>It takes a lot more to get it in there,

0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:57.160
<v Speaker 1>and it kind of has that generally has to be

0:50:57.320 --> 0:51:00.360
<v Speaker 1>that the fish sort of turns and the hook assles

0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:02.399
<v Speaker 1>into the corner of its mouth and gets in there.

0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:07.560
<v Speaker 1>But once it's in there, gravity um is much has

0:51:07.600 --> 0:51:10.279
<v Speaker 1>a much more difficult time freeing that hook up. Is

0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:13.480
<v Speaker 1>it like a C like a lower case aerial fontsy

0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:17.560
<v Speaker 1>You go, yeah, and you gotta jam that. That thing's

0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:19.560
<v Speaker 1>got to get jammed in there. But when it gets

0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:22.040
<v Speaker 1>jammed in there just right, it's likely to stay where

0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:23.560
<v Speaker 1>you could cut the line and he's still gonna have

0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:25.520
<v Speaker 1>that circle hook stuck in his mouth for some time.

0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:29.719
<v Speaker 1>Jam's almost the wrong word though, because jam is sort

0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:37.919
<v Speaker 1>of you're applying like a hook setting almost wedged, Yeah,

0:51:38.080 --> 0:51:40.640
<v Speaker 1>lodged maybe lodged, Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

0:51:40.719 --> 0:51:44.520
<v Speaker 1>It gets lodged in his mouth. And so static types

0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:48.080
<v Speaker 1>of fishing like longlining, trot lining, all these kind of

0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:50.960
<v Speaker 1>static fishing where there's no person there to like yank

0:51:51.040 --> 0:51:53.759
<v Speaker 1>the hook and reel, you use a circle hook. I

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.680
<v Speaker 1>found introducing people to circle hook fishing who've been fishing

0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:59.560
<v Speaker 1>their whole lives, they're so it's so ingrained in them

0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:05.040
<v Speaker 1>to set the hook because recreational fishing is predominantly jayhooks.

0:52:05.360 --> 0:52:07.440
<v Speaker 1>It's so ingrained in them to set the hook that

0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:12.759
<v Speaker 1>you can't get them two use circle hooks properly because

0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:16.640
<v Speaker 1>they get it hit and they just every adam of

0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:20.319
<v Speaker 1>their body wants like yanked Rod. You gotta like Brodie's wife.

0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:21.800
<v Speaker 1>I had to yell at her so bad it almost

0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:25.240
<v Speaker 1>like destroyed my relationship with Brody because she wouldn't stop

0:52:25.360 --> 0:52:28.840
<v Speaker 1>doing that. Um Rick, on their hand, doesn't even have that.

0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:35.360
<v Speaker 1>There's a lack of which is where I'm confused on

0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:38.000
<v Speaker 1>the like setting the hook not setting the hook thing. Okay,

0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:41.279
<v Speaker 1>here's what he'll do. Let's say Rick bounces back like

0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:43.640
<v Speaker 1>you give me a jay hook. He does that for

0:52:43.680 --> 0:52:45.680
<v Speaker 1>a minute, but then he loses hope, and then he

0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:47.200
<v Speaker 1>wants to try circle hook, and he does that for me.

0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:49.560
<v Speaker 1>He loses back to jay hook. So or you're trying

0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:52.359
<v Speaker 1>to help me solve, you know, give me a fish.

0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:55.080
<v Speaker 1>If Rick's working a jayhook and I'm and he's jigging

0:52:55.120 --> 0:52:57.480
<v Speaker 1>a jig and a helmet hits it, now a lot

0:52:57.520 --> 0:53:00.560
<v Speaker 1>of people would be like very invigorated by this, and

0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:03.800
<v Speaker 1>they would know that they're gonna for a couple of

0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:06.800
<v Speaker 1>seconds at least. They will especially jig, They're gonna do

0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:09.279
<v Speaker 1>all manner of things to get because like a hell,

0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:11.279
<v Speaker 1>but often you don't get him till his third hit.

0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:13.319
<v Speaker 1>They just they're they're I don't know what they're doing

0:53:13.400 --> 0:53:16.080
<v Speaker 1>on there, but they're not getting it. And so you'll

0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:18.759
<v Speaker 1>see people do all these antics like he'll hit, you'll

0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:21.560
<v Speaker 1>miss him, they'll bang the bottom, they'll jiggle in his face,

0:53:22.200 --> 0:53:24.520
<v Speaker 1>they'll like do something. Rick just this sort of like

0:53:24.840 --> 0:53:29.359
<v Speaker 1>strange passivity to where all of a sudden he all

0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:32.480
<v Speaker 1>but leaves the rod and walks at the moment, at

0:53:32.520 --> 0:53:36.440
<v Speaker 1>the moment when anybody else on planet most doing everything

0:53:36.480 --> 0:53:38.440
<v Speaker 1>in their post. I'm trying to figure out did I

0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:41.160
<v Speaker 1>do something wrong that made the hook at the bottom.

0:53:41.680 --> 0:53:43.320
<v Speaker 1>And then I'm like, maybe that's what it was. It

0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:46.359
<v Speaker 1>wasn't the fish, it was at the bottom. I could

0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:48.960
<v Speaker 1>be in a different boat. I can be a different

0:53:49.880 --> 0:53:55.200
<v Speaker 1>doing ten things, and I'll be like, Rick, you just

0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:58.279
<v Speaker 1>had a hit. Maybe he's too much in his head,

0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:00.600
<v Speaker 1>are you think are you thinking through it too much?

0:54:00.600 --> 0:54:05.320
<v Speaker 1>As you know, Steve assumes like and everybody else that

0:54:05.920 --> 0:54:08.239
<v Speaker 1>is generally out there have spent so much time doing

0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:10.880
<v Speaker 1>this that it's just natural that you just for me.

0:54:12.200 --> 0:54:16.360
<v Speaker 1>It's like a foreign completely foreign. There's no hook setting response,

0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:19.879
<v Speaker 1>there's zero, and that's that's what's funny about the circle hooks.

0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:22.360
<v Speaker 1>And I think miles you were driving at this. Usually

0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:25.760
<v Speaker 1>the less experience of an anger you are, the easier

0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:29.600
<v Speaker 1>time you have with a circle Hume totally. If you

0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:33.360
<v Speaker 1>chain them up where they can't get at the rod. No,

0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:36.880
<v Speaker 1>but this is in the end. How many how but

0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:42.640
<v Speaker 1>did we catch on a circle that week? We caught one?

0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:46.000
<v Speaker 1>But this is what I'm saying. So yeah, but we

0:54:46.080 --> 0:54:49.399
<v Speaker 1>were running a lot of jigs, I know. But still

0:54:49.640 --> 0:54:54.080
<v Speaker 1>we also but when nobody was fishing them, Steve did

0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:59.560
<v Speaker 1>a little fishing. Then I switched to shar Truce and

0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:02.440
<v Speaker 1>it got good. But it also got later today, it

0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:08.480
<v Speaker 1>got dusky. We moved to a new spots. It's not

0:55:08.640 --> 0:55:11.880
<v Speaker 1>my it's part of my five year plan get better fishing. Now.

0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:14.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't want Here's the thing is, I feel oftentimes

0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:15.920
<v Speaker 1>we have a lot of laughs at Rick's expense, and

0:55:15.960 --> 0:55:17.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't want it to be the case. So what

0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:19.160
<v Speaker 1>we're actually I just work up a logo for Rick.

0:55:19.280 --> 0:55:22.600
<v Speaker 1>We're trying to make up an acronym. So it's like

0:55:23.040 --> 0:55:29.480
<v Speaker 1>ours like ready to go international, international because you've been,

0:55:29.600 --> 0:55:31.360
<v Speaker 1>You've been more countries than anybody I hang out with.

0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:37.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Sea is like by seer Land and

0:55:37.680 --> 0:55:42.000
<v Speaker 1>then uh no coastal because you're ready to go. The

0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:45.280
<v Speaker 1>first guy in the water, colder the water, the cooker,

0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:51.040
<v Speaker 1>he's into it is a sweet logo with flames and stuff,

0:55:52.239 --> 0:55:54.360
<v Speaker 1>because I want to find a way to better celebrate

0:55:54.480 --> 0:55:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Rick and not just fis fishing is not part of it,

0:55:57.040 --> 0:55:59.719
<v Speaker 1>not just playing out his inadequacies. I am glad that

0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:04.600
<v Speaker 1>the camera guys, uh, I mean Seth. Seth is a

0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:10.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, he's a trained you know, harvest of angler

0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:15.600
<v Speaker 1>background in angler. Yeah, he did good. Chris horrible fisherman,

0:56:15.800 --> 0:56:19.320
<v Speaker 1>but he caught some fish. At least he's funny to watch.

0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:27.120
<v Speaker 1>It's funny to watch him. Watch about him. He's just animated.

0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:29.200
<v Speaker 1>He's trying to do everything. He just does it all wrong.

0:56:30.400 --> 0:56:34.200
<v Speaker 1>But a lot of big movements to watch the rick

0:56:34.320 --> 0:56:37.160
<v Speaker 1>and the fatalism and everything. There's not it's not that

0:56:37.239 --> 0:56:39.440
<v Speaker 1>there's no big movement. What's the sound effect for that?

0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:41.960
<v Speaker 1>What's the sound effect for watching? Oh, when you give

0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Rick a rod? What is the sounds it's just straight

0:56:48.680 --> 0:56:54.160
<v Speaker 1>or No, I don't. I feel like I'm an optimist,

0:56:54.239 --> 0:56:57.080
<v Speaker 1>but I just have a hard time imagining actually catching

0:56:57.120 --> 0:57:00.399
<v Speaker 1>a fish because I've never really done it. One time

0:57:00.440 --> 0:57:03.000
<v Speaker 1>I did, it wasn't it was so easy that it.

0:57:04.000 --> 0:57:10.400
<v Speaker 1>I went fishing for silver's in Alaska. No. No, it

0:57:10.520 --> 0:57:14.000
<v Speaker 1>was like just with my dad and brother and um

0:57:14.600 --> 0:57:17.520
<v Speaker 1>it was we limited out in like an hour. You

0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:19.240
<v Speaker 1>ripped lips. That is what you're trying to say. Yeah,

0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:21.440
<v Speaker 1>the guy got us. The guy got us on like

0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:24.520
<v Speaker 1>the spot and it wasn't a Yeah. Maybe you've got

0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:29.080
<v Speaker 1>to like envision, envisioned the success and envision, you know,

0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:34.320
<v Speaker 1>and then like manifest. I get your call with my dad. Yeah,

0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:36.720
<v Speaker 1>if you talk to Yanni's dad, Yanni's dad will tell

0:57:36.720 --> 0:57:43.760
<v Speaker 1>you how you need to visualize. Yanni's dad. Yeah, I

0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:46.920
<v Speaker 1>was not doing that. When he hunts or whatever he

0:57:49.320 --> 0:57:56.919
<v Speaker 1>he imagined so strongly did it actually ends up coming

0:57:56.960 --> 0:58:01.800
<v Speaker 1>from where he imagined it coming from. He conjures it

0:58:02.320 --> 0:58:06.040
<v Speaker 1>all right. He makes a mind movie so compelling to

0:58:06.200 --> 0:58:09.440
<v Speaker 1>reality that reality conforms to that mind movie. We need

0:58:09.520 --> 0:58:13.400
<v Speaker 1>to switch out the sea for coastal with conjuring, and

0:58:13.520 --> 0:58:15.200
<v Speaker 1>we wanted to have it be like day or night.

0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:17.880
<v Speaker 1>This is like his cameraman logo. So we're gonna be

0:58:17.960 --> 0:58:21.880
<v Speaker 1>like K and I g h D like night. But

0:58:21.960 --> 0:58:23.680
<v Speaker 1>then we'll have a prince. He says, like, but like

0:58:24.000 --> 0:58:29.120
<v Speaker 1>without a K. I can't wait for this logo. We

0:58:29.200 --> 0:58:30.920
<v Speaker 1>got a good logo. Guy we've been working with. I'm

0:58:30.960 --> 0:58:33.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna have them start working. Do you want flames on

0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:37.280
<v Speaker 1>our lightning bolts? Lightning bolts? Good, We're on scales and

0:58:37.400 --> 0:58:42.680
<v Speaker 1>lightning bolts. Um uh yanni? You want to take a

0:58:42.680 --> 0:58:47.200
<v Speaker 1>stab at deep drop fishing? Yeah? Wait, let's set this up.

0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Why were you guys in Alaska filming? We're in Alaska

0:58:50.640 --> 0:58:53.800
<v Speaker 1>filming an episode of Me Eater Um which will go on,

0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:57.800
<v Speaker 1>which will premiere on Netflix. And we were up there

0:58:58.280 --> 0:59:07.680
<v Speaker 1>exploring um halibut fishing, exploring deep drop fishing, exploring shrimping

0:59:07.720 --> 0:59:12.640
<v Speaker 1>and crabbing. Is it the first only fishing fishing only episode.

0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:19.080
<v Speaker 1>It's not. No. We did like a giant catfish extravaganza,

0:59:20.200 --> 0:59:25.680
<v Speaker 1>but we uh hunted squirrels. Oh really yeah? But we

0:59:25.840 --> 0:59:29.400
<v Speaker 1>dove for we dove. You're talking about the one with Kevin. Yeah,

0:59:30.120 --> 0:59:32.400
<v Speaker 1>but I thought we did something else. All catfish all

0:59:32.440 --> 0:59:36.720
<v Speaker 1>the time we jug fished, we did everything behold a

0:59:36.800 --> 0:59:40.120
<v Speaker 1>rod and then episode we jug fished, Maybe that would

0:59:40.160 --> 0:59:42.480
<v Speaker 1>be better at that multiple because then we did a

0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:46.720
<v Speaker 1>whole episode about we did a whole episode about flatheads.

0:59:47.800 --> 0:59:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah with that one we squirrel hunted m with Parker

0:59:51.320 --> 0:59:54.440
<v Speaker 1>there have But yeah, we did one about jug fishing, jugging,

0:59:55.680 --> 1:00:01.840
<v Speaker 1>limb lining, and trot lining. And in this we also

1:00:02.080 --> 1:00:09.919
<v Speaker 1>dove for sea cucumbers, dove for scallops, shot of green laning,

1:00:10.120 --> 1:00:15.080
<v Speaker 1>snorkel snorkeled for those things. Dove like kinda like you

1:00:15.160 --> 1:00:16.840
<v Speaker 1>had to kind of go into water to get you

1:00:16.920 --> 1:00:23.080
<v Speaker 1>did more diving. Uh, But yeah, we're up filming a show,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we're talking about some of those adventures and

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<v Speaker 1>and during this now and then in fishing, there's a

1:00:27.520 --> 1:00:30.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of waiting and a camera guy can just sit

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<v Speaker 1>there and wait and wait and wait, or if you

1:00:32.480 --> 1:00:34.400
<v Speaker 1>hand him around, he can try to do a little angling,

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<v Speaker 1>which is Rick was killing his downtime um trying to angle.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why and that's why we're getting so much

1:00:43.240 --> 1:00:47.360
<v Speaker 1>fun out of mostly provide entertainment dogging on Rick. But

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to discuss deep drop, which we have

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<v Speaker 1>never covered nope. We went to roughly feet of water. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of it's kind of like a basin, right,

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<v Speaker 1>would you call it a basin on the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean? And Um, these fish that we were after

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<v Speaker 1>black cod also known as sable fish, also known as butterfish,

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<v Speaker 1>which I don't think we talked about that when we're

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<v Speaker 1>up there, but when I was doing some research, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they call them butterfish. Have you eaten your flames yet? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Just one. I shared it with some of my closest

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<v Speaker 1>friends that knew would appreciate it, and they appreciated it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I even had to preface it with I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>efforts understand that I'm not serving this to like gloat.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm serving this because I appreciate you guys. I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>sharing it. I figured that you will appreciate it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like ha ha, look what I have that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like taste this. Yeah, that's an interesting distinction. You did

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<v Speaker 1>tell him that, Yeah, you sat them down? Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah I did a you know, since we're on

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<v Speaker 1>the subject, I did a basically like a soy ginger poach.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how you do U, is it? Yeah? And it

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<v Speaker 1>was I mean, it's butterfish, man. It's it's amazing how

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<v Speaker 1>it maintains its firmness even onto the fork. But then

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<v Speaker 1>when it gets into your mouth, something happens and it

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<v Speaker 1>melts like butter. Tony Colagrassi, who who uh turned me

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<v Speaker 1>on to the prospect of catching my own black cod

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<v Speaker 1>because he sends me black cod filets that he catches

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<v Speaker 1>with his friends. Um, he's remarked to that that, Um

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard. You can't overcook it. Not you can't, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not. You don't need to worry about overcooking it

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<v Speaker 1>as much when the window of goodness is a long window.

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<v Speaker 1>I was surprised because, I mean it was a low

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<v Speaker 1>temp poach. You know, you only you simmer it on

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<v Speaker 1>low for five minutes and then uh no, it might

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<v Speaker 1>have been tent total. But even then, I thought, man,

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<v Speaker 1>because this file at wasn't you know, it wasn't a pound,

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<v Speaker 1>might have been a half pound. I had two kind

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<v Speaker 1>of pieces to fit into a small pan, and ten

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<v Speaker 1>minutes with the lid and simmering. That's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>cooking for a piece of fish. You know it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be thoroughly cooked. But it wasn't overcooked A bit is good.

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<v Speaker 1>It is very good. So we're in feet of water

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<v Speaker 1>steve ft aluminium skiff. Very nice weather that day, Calm

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<v Speaker 1>Seas almost could like water ski out there that day

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<v Speaker 1>so we could zip out. We actually talked about water

1:03:32.040 --> 1:03:33.840
<v Speaker 1>skiing that day. For sure. I think when you're out

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<v Speaker 1>there and it's that glassy, you can't not mention it.

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<v Speaker 1>But to get down there you have to use a

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<v Speaker 1>an electric reel. Now you don't have to, but it

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<v Speaker 1>would be uh quite a task to reel up a line,

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<v Speaker 1>plus the scope that you have, so it's probably even

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<v Speaker 1>more out there. But yeah, three pounds of weight um

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<v Speaker 1>two hooks above it was just circles, cut bait um,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty stout rod. It's got to hold up three pounds

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<v Speaker 1>of weight and you drop her down there. It probably

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<v Speaker 1>takes what ten minutes? Yeah close, I was to say,

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<v Speaker 1>so I wanted time. I never got around the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe it takes maybe eighteen minutes to hit the bottom,

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<v Speaker 1>to hit the bottom long enough where you put in

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<v Speaker 1>the rod holder because you get sick of waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>it to hit the bottom and uh and you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta chase it with the boat. Yeah, talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that Yeah, I guess you just gotta figure out what

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<v Speaker 1>the wind slash currents doing and just trying to stay

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<v Speaker 1>and just basically I think all we were doing is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to keep a line vertical right going out, drive

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<v Speaker 1>the boat whatever direction the line is going. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can so you can stay over the top of it,

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<v Speaker 1>which you think it's moving more or the boats moving

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<v Speaker 1>and you're just having to correct the boat to stay

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<v Speaker 1>on top of the weight. I think that in those

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<v Speaker 1>depths the wind over rides the current because the current

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<v Speaker 1>isn't being you know how like when you get to

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<v Speaker 1>the top of a mountain the wind is really strong.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because you're taking a massive moving air but restricting

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of space that air has to pass through.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have like this whatever thousands of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of vertical fee to air. But then all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden it's you're cramming it into a smaller gap

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<v Speaker 1>on top. So when you're out in that huge, deep stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>the currents aren't nearly as strong, and so where you

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<v Speaker 1>might be in an area where you might have a breeze,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not in alignment with the current, but the current

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<v Speaker 1>might override there. I think that even a slight breeze

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<v Speaker 1>is going to push you in a way that the

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<v Speaker 1>current isn't going to push you. So you let it

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<v Speaker 1>go to the bottom. And this is what I found

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<v Speaker 1>the most interesting. It took a while to figure out.

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<v Speaker 1>It took us, I don't know, a couple couple of

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<v Speaker 1>drops at least, and and maybe twenty minutes of drifting along,

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<v Speaker 1>because once you get down there, you feel the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>and then it's like you felt the bottom with the weight,

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<v Speaker 1>But then the weight keeps dragging your rod tip down

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<v Speaker 1>and if it just it just didn't compute, because you're wondering, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that's because it's stuck on the bottom, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the boat's moving and so there's just gonna be no slack.

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<v Speaker 1>The rod tip keeps going down. But after doing this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of slow jig up and down, what we realize

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<v Speaker 1>is that the bottom was not firm, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>more of this primorim I like to call it. There

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<v Speaker 1>you go primorial muck. And I would guess that it's

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere from six to eight ft deep. Yeah, the muck

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<v Speaker 1>at the bottom fet and it might be you feel

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<v Speaker 1>it hit, but it doesn't stop. It might be twenty deep,

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<v Speaker 1>but you never let it go down that deep. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how long the munk goes, so you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of have to jig slowly pull it up. You feel

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<v Speaker 1>it free from the muck, and then when you rop

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<v Speaker 1>it you kind of again feel it, but it hits

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<v Speaker 1>from where your rock tips started and then to where

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<v Speaker 1>the lead hits the bottom again, and you think your

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<v Speaker 1>raight tip would stop. It's like the whole distance of

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<v Speaker 1>your jigging motions that make sense like um, So then

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<v Speaker 1>again it gets sucked down into the muck. So you

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<v Speaker 1>left to try to cover it, to try to hover

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<v Speaker 1>it on the bottom. Did you guys get better at

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<v Speaker 1>that when you guys went back and we'll just let

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<v Speaker 1>it sit there. I got better to covering it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Not letting it sing, no, because the sinker would drag

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<v Speaker 1>the circle hooks and bait down into the muck if

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<v Speaker 1>you just let it sit. So you kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>lifted out it hits the muck, take the tension out

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<v Speaker 1>and see if you got a hit. Lift it floated,

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<v Speaker 1>Lift it floating, lift the floating. It's you never rest

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<v Speaker 1>but that that we got that thing down there, and

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't I couldn't believe. Yeah, five minutes. I almost

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<v Speaker 1>like I would say, like about ship, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>probably about shat my pants out of just being astounded

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<v Speaker 1>after all the reading and talking and thinking and figuring

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<v Speaker 1>and gear rigging, and to go out in that depth

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<v Speaker 1>of water. And yeah, I filmed you do a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of different things and be pretty happy about it. But

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen you that happy. When you brought up

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<v Speaker 1>that fish, I was extremely excited. That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I have technical questions on this. I'm sorry, like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just curious. From an angling standpod, So you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>like a dropshot style rig with a three pound weight

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<v Speaker 1>on the bottom. Yeah, Well, I be more like, uh

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<v Speaker 1>um no, because the you got little uh you got

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<v Speaker 1>little leaders coming come off. Okay, So you got a

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<v Speaker 1>mainline and then they're quite a bit their space there,

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<v Speaker 1>their space. The spacing is very exact aggerated, So from

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<v Speaker 1>the sinker to the bottom circle it's probably thirty six

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<v Speaker 1>inches and then there's thirty six inches more to the

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<v Speaker 1>next dropper. And the droppers are maybe eight inches long.

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<v Speaker 1>They have a circle hook on them and then all

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<v Speaker 1>this and a lot of the droppers are coated and

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<v Speaker 1>glow in the dark tubing. There's a lot of glow

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<v Speaker 1>in the dark this and that so that they can

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<v Speaker 1>And there's also a line one of those little lights

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<v Speaker 1>that light that water activates a little light like a

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<v Speaker 1>high pressure light. One of those little lights is rigged

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<v Speaker 1>up at the top connection just to have something down

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<v Speaker 1>there going click with light. And with a three pound weight,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm assuming you're running mono eighty pound braid. Okay braid,

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<v Speaker 1>so you gotta you don't have to do this way

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<v Speaker 1>that would work. There would be too much stretching, you'd

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<v Speaker 1>never know when you hit the bottom. And so but

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<v Speaker 1>you can still with a three pound weight you can

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<v Speaker 1>feel the take. Yes, really absolutely far more than I

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<v Speaker 1>thought you'd be able to. Yeah, there's no doubt. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what it feels like. When we did the swordfish fishing

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<v Speaker 1>in this roughly the same depth. Um, they're those guys

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<v Speaker 1>have the rod locked off and they're just watching the

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<v Speaker 1>rod tip. They're not feeling it because they're not hitting

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom. They're floating it like and they see a

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<v Speaker 1>tick tick tick. And I think we were using five

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<v Speaker 1>pounds of wait, weren't we there? We had five pounds. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so whatever they see in that rod tip, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but with this with three pounds, yeah, you can very

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<v Speaker 1>much tell that there was a fish on. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>guys ever get a double? No? And we tried leaving

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<v Speaker 1>them getting a hit, letting it sit. Um. No, never

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<v Speaker 1>got a double, but we got it pretty dialed. We

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<v Speaker 1>got a pretty doubt. We went out one day and

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<v Speaker 1>and and didn't do it long and had four And

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we could have We had two anglers

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<v Speaker 1>and got four, And I feel like me and fits

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<v Speaker 1>were out there and we could have stuck around and

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<v Speaker 1>got eight, which would have been allowed to get that day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funniest thing in the world. I told my wife

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<v Speaker 1>out doing it, completely unimpressed. She so he just doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like cheating because of what because because it

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<v Speaker 1>just reels itself up. But the whole the point of

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<v Speaker 1>fishing isn't the reeling in part. And I told you

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<v Speaker 1>this to No, it's your exerting effort or something. E

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<v Speaker 1>Let's not told her this, And I'm gonna tell you

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<v Speaker 1>it now. If I took all the things that it

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<v Speaker 1>takes too deep drop up a black cod and threw

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<v Speaker 1>all in a pile on the floor and gave you

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<v Speaker 1>a boat and said, go get me a black cod.

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<v Speaker 1>Figure it out. Uh or I took all of the

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<v Speaker 1>things it takes to catch a large mouth bass and

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<v Speaker 1>threw it on the floor and put you at a lake.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think you're gonna do? Quicker? M hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you you are never you are never, ever,

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<v Speaker 1>ever ever, I'm gonna catch the black hodon. I ran

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<v Speaker 1>into this with the time I got introduced deep drop

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<v Speaker 1>fishing was when we went out sword fishing. We're with

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<v Speaker 1>these dudes, and we're with this guy. He's a commercial

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<v Speaker 1>sword fisherman. He lives south of the line where you

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<v Speaker 1>can where you can do plagic longlining, so no long

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<v Speaker 1>lining is allowed. You can only hand line sword fish.

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<v Speaker 1>Where where's the line, like somewhere around the Florida border.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't exactly it's in that. I don't exactly know

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<v Speaker 1>where to Joe, Do you know exactly where that line is?

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<v Speaker 1>There's some lines in federal waters whatever. You can't longline,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's um and you can't even rod reel for commercial.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hand lining. And they wait. Swordfish at night come

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<v Speaker 1>up shallow. So they go out and set these buoys

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<v Speaker 1>and they got these these hundred foot lines on these booties,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a eight and you're out there and you

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<v Speaker 1>got a light on the buoy and you're actually waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for the buoy to start bobbing, and you run over

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<v Speaker 1>in hand line of sword fishing at night or in

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<v Speaker 1>the daytime, they spiral straight down two canyon mouths that

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<v Speaker 1>aret underwater the same way points where he's catching him

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<v Speaker 1>at night. He fishes that same way point, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>catching him a hundred feet from the surface at night,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's fishing that same way point, but catching fish

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand, three hundred feet down in the daytime. Now

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<v Speaker 1>he's black cow. They don't do I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>they ever experienced anything. They just stay on the bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>So we go out twenty miles and the ocean is

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<v Speaker 1>three dimensional. I don't need to explain. And he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna catch a swordfish twenty miles out feet of water,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, you are not. And does all this,

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<v Speaker 1>this and that and the other thing in the right

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<v Speaker 1>And it gets finally gets that thing owner and tap tap,

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<v Speaker 1>and he throws the switch and here comes a seventy

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<v Speaker 1>pound swordfish. I'm thinking, in my head, you will never.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care how long you live, you will never

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<v Speaker 1>do that again. Yanni's puking out the other side of

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<v Speaker 1>the boat the whole time. You don't even know what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on. He's so sick. We're in a twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>ft boat and he's so sick. We didn't know he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know he had one on. That's not true. I

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to puke. I couldn't get it out. So

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<v Speaker 1>he then does his whole rigmarole over again. Bam, second

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<v Speaker 1>sword fish. In that moment, I was like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the pinnacle. This is the pinnacle of angling. Like in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of what I've often said about houndsman, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna take the knowledge required to do something and put

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<v Speaker 1>it into a measurable unit, like how we measure digital

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<v Speaker 1>information and bits of material. If you're gonna take know

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<v Speaker 1>how two uh train a hound and then catch a

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<v Speaker 1>mountain lion in the absence of snow, and then you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna measure the information that had to be in that

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<v Speaker 1>person's head, it would be vastly, like exponentially greater than

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<v Speaker 1>the bits of information that it takes me to sit

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<v Speaker 1>on the edge of a alfalfa field and shoot a

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<v Speaker 1>deer with my rifle. Not even comparable amounts of information,

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<v Speaker 1>the information that that the bits of information that are

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<v Speaker 1>in that guy's head to go out with that equipment

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<v Speaker 1>and that ocean and pull up two swordfish. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not even the same ballpark. Is what it takes

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<v Speaker 1>to go into a lake and catch up and catch

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<v Speaker 1>a blue gill off my mom's dot. It's not the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. So for my wife to be like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really get it's not fair. It's like, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you talking about. Well, maybe Joe and Miles can do

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<v Speaker 1>a little report on the last time I deep dropped swordfish.

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<v Speaker 1>We were with the captain in Louisiana and he he

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<v Speaker 1>felt that swordfish were such majestic creatures that it was

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<v Speaker 1>disrespectful to pitch yourself against him with an electric reel.

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<v Speaker 1>And we fished those depths and hand crack artisanal. It

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<v Speaker 1>was miserable, man, but we did with a bespoke real

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<v Speaker 1>I here's my other thing about I like your way

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<v Speaker 1>for the record, Like, I like the other thing about

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<v Speaker 1>deep dropping is this is okay, it's not fishing. And

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<v Speaker 1>I told this to Janni. I'm like, NI says, it

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<v Speaker 1>is fishing. But I'm like, okay, let's say it's not fishing.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care what it is call itself. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>I try to say deep dropping, because like it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's not fishing, it's something else. Sure, whatever it is

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<v Speaker 1>is fascinating, and whatever it is I can see is

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<v Speaker 1>there is a lot of pun intended. There is a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of depth. There is an enormous amount of depth

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<v Speaker 1>to it where I could picture a world and I

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<v Speaker 1>could picture myself becoming very, very obsessed with it. I

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<v Speaker 1>take no argument with the level of depth of this

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<v Speaker 1>and all the things that you just show just mean

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<v Speaker 1>deep water, I don't. I mean more in the metaphorical sense. Yeah, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>and your your analogy of dropping all the gear and

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<v Speaker 1>saying like catch this or cats that, Like, it makes

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<v Speaker 1>your point clearly. But the argument that it is it

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<v Speaker 1>represents the pinnacle of angling assumes that the pinnacle of

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<v Speaker 1>angling is based on what is the most technically difficult

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<v Speaker 1>way of doing it, and that, to me, is not

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<v Speaker 1>how I personally define the pinnacle of angling. Fair, I

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<v Speaker 1>was totally fair. I think that there's more of an aesthetic,

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<v Speaker 1>like felt experience to it, and I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>anyone can define the particle of angling for anybody else

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<v Speaker 1>for the record. But that's a great point, man, I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't That's not how I would say. Like, Man,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the thing I aspire to be as an angler

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<v Speaker 1>is the guy who like has the technical details down

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<v Speaker 1>to the most fine minutia to catch the fish. I get.

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<v Speaker 1>I get that it's hard. It's just not not how

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<v Speaker 1>we go about it. When we were talking what I

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<v Speaker 1>was with my brother Danny. When I was with my

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<v Speaker 1>brother Danny and my wife and we were deep dropping

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<v Speaker 1>and doing well, and my wife was um saying that

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<v Speaker 1>it just seemed like somehow like not fishing like. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'll point out that we only have one deep drop

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<v Speaker 1>rig and me and Danny were kind of monopolizing the

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<v Speaker 1>deep drop so so she wasn't. She was a year

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<v Speaker 1>to go and do all the other stuff that you

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<v Speaker 1>do where you get to like do it. So uh.

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<v Speaker 1>In this conversation we're talking about like, well what does

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<v Speaker 1>it mean? And I was saying, part of the fund

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<v Speaker 1>for me is trying to visualize what these things are doing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is it's another planet, man, at that depth, it's

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<v Speaker 1>another planet. It's dark, right, It's like I can't picture

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on down there when they come up there

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<v Speaker 1>like an ice cube. How cold they are. It's so

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<v Speaker 1>damn cold down there. That fish feels like an ice cube.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyways, I was getting off on that, and Danny

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<v Speaker 1>was saying, Okay, well, let's let's extend this logic to

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<v Speaker 1>its extreme. He's like for me to see a fish

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<v Speaker 1>cruising through shallow water and to pick the fish, and

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<v Speaker 1>I can see it's world, I can see its moods.

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<v Speaker 1>I can watch it respond to my cast like that's

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<v Speaker 1>something how like? So getting off on how you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what they're doing is great, but it's also nice

1:19:47.960 --> 1:19:50.920
<v Speaker 1>to get off on knowing what they're doing, which is fair.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I say the aesthetic experience like that, to

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<v Speaker 1>me personally, is that pinnacle when you you have to

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<v Speaker 1>see the visual cues of what the fish is doing,

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<v Speaker 1>read it's behavior, read all the different things around you

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<v Speaker 1>make your decisions based on that in the moment for

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<v Speaker 1>how you were going to plot your attempt to fool

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<v Speaker 1>that fish and landed. Those are the pinnacle moments for me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's definitely site fishing ice ice fish with a

1:20:16.280 --> 1:20:20.519
<v Speaker 1>painter named Ben and I took him. He was a

1:20:20.640 --> 1:20:22.280
<v Speaker 1>he was a fly fisherman, like fish shop, but I

1:20:22.360 --> 1:20:25.160
<v Speaker 1>introduced him to ice fishing, and he was saying how

1:20:25.240 --> 1:20:27.720
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't ice fish without imagining the hole in the

1:20:27.800 --> 1:20:33.120
<v Speaker 1>ice as a birth canal, because he was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so removed from the fish by like a physical, impenetrable

1:20:38.120 --> 1:20:42.360
<v Speaker 1>barrier that when we catch one, I feel as though

1:20:42.360 --> 1:20:45.120
<v Speaker 1>it's passing through some sort of birth canal from one

1:20:45.200 --> 1:20:48.960
<v Speaker 1>world into another. And that's how I felt about these

1:20:49.000 --> 1:20:52.440
<v Speaker 1>black hat coming up. It was like they were being delivered.

1:20:53.840 --> 1:20:56.719
<v Speaker 1>It was like they were being like imagine a hand

1:20:56.880 --> 1:20:59.840
<v Speaker 1>from the past, sort of like penetrating the presence and

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<v Speaker 1>ropping something. It was like they're being like birth from

1:21:03.280 --> 1:21:09.439
<v Speaker 1>one reality to another, like one dimension that there's this

1:21:09.560 --> 1:21:16.080
<v Speaker 1>orifice through which things pass one dimension to another, one

1:21:16.200 --> 1:21:19.599
<v Speaker 1>being the the abyss and the other be in my hand,

1:21:19.920 --> 1:21:24.519
<v Speaker 1>total darkness into sunlight. Yeah, that fish, when he's on

1:21:24.640 --> 1:21:26.800
<v Speaker 1>his way up, he's gotta be like this cannot be good,

1:21:26.960 --> 1:21:33.519
<v Speaker 1>No Joe for you. What's what's the pinnacle of fishing? Um?

1:21:34.080 --> 1:21:36.400
<v Speaker 1>I side more with Miles on this, and I'll say though,

1:21:36.439 --> 1:21:39.320
<v Speaker 1>like deep dropping, it's one of those methods sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like wire line trolling. I have the utmost respect for

1:21:42.880 --> 1:21:44.599
<v Speaker 1>the guys who are very good at it. A lot

1:21:44.640 --> 1:21:47.479
<v Speaker 1>of people think that that's kind of easy stuff like

1:21:47.520 --> 1:21:50.000
<v Speaker 1>go out there, drop down this heavy weight, catch your fish,

1:21:50.439 --> 1:21:52.760
<v Speaker 1>go pull your wire line, you catch your stripers. There's

1:21:52.760 --> 1:21:54.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of art to both of those and I

1:21:54.880 --> 1:21:59.639
<v Speaker 1>appreciate them very much. But I would rather throw poppers

1:21:59.760 --> 1:22:04.320
<v Speaker 1>at alreny pound black fin tuna in Louisiana than deep

1:22:04.360 --> 1:22:07.400
<v Speaker 1>drop sword fish just because same thing. It's just it's

1:22:07.439 --> 1:22:12.160
<v Speaker 1>the visuals. For me, it's the interaction like that. That

1:22:12.360 --> 1:22:15.519
<v Speaker 1>interaction is part of what's so cool about fishing and hunting.

1:22:15.560 --> 1:22:17.840
<v Speaker 1>But fishing was what we're talking about, like what is

1:22:17.920 --> 1:22:20.200
<v Speaker 1>that fish doing? What am I doing? And how where

1:22:20.240 --> 1:22:22.679
<v Speaker 1>do those two things meet at the end of the line,

1:22:23.800 --> 1:22:27.240
<v Speaker 1>my actions and their actions. That's white like watching rick

1:22:27.439 --> 1:22:31.439
<v Speaker 1>fish more than deep dropping. Oh I'm happy to keep

1:22:31.479 --> 1:22:35.320
<v Speaker 1>doing it. Yeah, yeah, what's your take on it? Though?

1:22:35.320 --> 1:22:37.400
<v Speaker 1>After having done it? You were you were you were

1:22:37.479 --> 1:22:39.519
<v Speaker 1>like a deep drop enthusiast. Last I talked to you,

1:22:39.840 --> 1:22:45.679
<v Speaker 1>I was yeah, yeah, Um, it was tough just having

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<v Speaker 1>the one rig, you know, like you're saying, you know,

1:22:48.520 --> 1:22:50.600
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of sharing a lot of Sharon going on.

1:22:50.760 --> 1:22:53.160
<v Speaker 1>You definitely need to invest in another rod and reel

1:22:54.000 --> 1:22:56.400
<v Speaker 1>get after most of them. But yeah, no, it's like anything.

1:22:56.439 --> 1:22:58.639
<v Speaker 1>I like figuring it out, you know. And I told

1:22:58.680 --> 1:23:01.720
<v Speaker 1>you I was talking with Well, I was talking with

1:23:02.400 --> 1:23:06.720
<v Speaker 1>his brother. But Jennifer's got cousins there in North Carolina,

1:23:06.800 --> 1:23:09.320
<v Speaker 1>and one of them deep drops for swordfish. And I

1:23:09.439 --> 1:23:11.240
<v Speaker 1>was talking to his brother and I was explaining to

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<v Speaker 1>him about the mock and all that, and he was saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that the muck is the same when we deep drop

1:23:17.320 --> 1:23:19.720
<v Speaker 1>for swordfish. He says, you should call Rob and talk

1:23:19.760 --> 1:23:21.400
<v Speaker 1>to him. He'll give you some good tips on how

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<v Speaker 1>to work at the top of the mud and be

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<v Speaker 1>right where you need to be. What I'm in visualizing

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<v Speaker 1>is I might patent a sinker that has like uh

1:23:30.160 --> 1:23:32.680
<v Speaker 1>some that steals some attributes from the Mars were over.

1:23:34.680 --> 1:23:38.200
<v Speaker 1>It's a streamline three pound sinker that passes through the water,

1:23:38.360 --> 1:23:45.639
<v Speaker 1>but when it gets near the bottom, it deploys a little. Yeah,

1:23:46.560 --> 1:23:50.559
<v Speaker 1>and then it had and it lands like a Martian rover.

1:23:51.640 --> 1:23:57.240
<v Speaker 1>It's got like a back burner. That's the rig. I

1:23:57.320 --> 1:24:00.640
<v Speaker 1>got a feeling that with those circle hooks you can

1:24:00.760 --> 1:24:03.559
<v Speaker 1>probably just leave it in the rod holder once you've

1:24:03.600 --> 1:24:07.880
<v Speaker 1>got your depth and wait, five ten minutes will be

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<v Speaker 1>in the primordial monk. Well no, not if you said

1:24:11.680 --> 1:24:13.479
<v Speaker 1>it to not get into them, to not let it

1:24:13.560 --> 1:24:16.400
<v Speaker 1>go into the monk unless you think that the muck

1:24:16.640 --> 1:24:18.760
<v Speaker 1>is the depth is changing. I have it on good

1:24:18.800 --> 1:24:21.920
<v Speaker 1>authority that you have to be dragging bottom by people

1:24:21.920 --> 1:24:24.280
<v Speaker 1>who would know. Now I know, so you would make

1:24:24.320 --> 1:24:26.679
<v Speaker 1>it so that the weight is like in the mock,

1:24:28.000 --> 1:24:31.040
<v Speaker 1>dragging it and you have your hooks just above it.

1:24:32.320 --> 1:24:34.479
<v Speaker 1>But did You're not so worried about feeling the fish

1:24:34.600 --> 1:24:36.800
<v Speaker 1>because I think that those fish will just get on

1:24:37.760 --> 1:24:41.639
<v Speaker 1>hook themselves and then probably stay on. That's I feel

1:24:41.680 --> 1:24:43.880
<v Speaker 1>we should take this offline. I get what you're saying,

1:24:44.000 --> 1:24:46.000
<v Speaker 1>but I think that there's I'm trying to be mindful

1:24:46.120 --> 1:24:49.479
<v Speaker 1>of the limits of the audience. I get what you're saying,

1:24:49.479 --> 1:24:51.160
<v Speaker 1>but I feel like we should discuss it later, just

1:24:51.280 --> 1:24:53.120
<v Speaker 1>you know for sure for sure. Well, I need to

1:24:53.200 --> 1:24:57.720
<v Speaker 1>talk to my wife's cousin too, get some thoughts on that. UM.

1:24:58.520 --> 1:25:01.080
<v Speaker 1>I used to think of helmet fishing is being very impersonal,

1:25:02.200 --> 1:25:04.720
<v Speaker 1>but now I feel like I'm in direct communication with

1:25:04.800 --> 1:25:08.640
<v Speaker 1>those They're only three feet down. It's like they were

1:25:08.680 --> 1:25:15.160
<v Speaker 1>like neighbors. I had a haliban experience. I share my story. No,

1:25:15.360 --> 1:25:17.360
<v Speaker 1>I definitely need to share this story. Thought we were

1:25:17.360 --> 1:25:19.040
<v Speaker 1>going to kick it off on this one. I wish

1:25:19.120 --> 1:25:23.840
<v Speaker 1>that was on camera. Well, I'll tell you something. So, uh,

1:25:24.760 --> 1:25:32.160
<v Speaker 1>we fish and halbit little boats. Um, there's like certain

1:25:33.479 --> 1:25:35.680
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to bring a good sized halbitt into a

1:25:35.720 --> 1:25:37.760
<v Speaker 1>little teeny boat because everything is there's too much junk

1:25:37.800 --> 1:25:40.120
<v Speaker 1>in there. Anyways, Its like the average size or what's

1:25:40.160 --> 1:25:43.960
<v Speaker 1>a good size? At what point does a halbit become

1:25:44.000 --> 1:25:48.040
<v Speaker 1>annoying in a boat? Yea an eighteen foot boat? We're

1:25:48.080 --> 1:25:50.759
<v Speaker 1>talking like a like what what I grew up calling rowboats?

1:25:51.880 --> 1:25:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Just like a like we use lund skiffs, very seaworthy,

1:25:57.520 --> 1:26:01.840
<v Speaker 1>rock solid but just no frills, bench seats, open bow,

1:26:02.120 --> 1:26:06.240
<v Speaker 1>aluminum rowboat and as we fish out of because we

1:26:06.280 --> 1:26:07.439
<v Speaker 1>need to be able to drag him up on the

1:26:07.479 --> 1:26:10.000
<v Speaker 1>beach when we leave. So it's gotta be big enough

1:26:10.000 --> 1:26:12.200
<v Speaker 1>for a couple of guys can carry it. That's as

1:26:12.240 --> 1:26:15.120
<v Speaker 1>big as a boat what we can have, Um, and

1:26:15.200 --> 1:26:16.840
<v Speaker 1>when you bring it, like to bring a fifty pound

1:26:16.920 --> 1:26:22.519
<v Speaker 1>halibit into that boat? Is if he's frisky um. It's

1:26:22.560 --> 1:26:26.639
<v Speaker 1>just a lot people on big help like people the gym,

1:26:26.720 --> 1:26:29.840
<v Speaker 1>and break their legs, break their arms, break rods. They

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<v Speaker 1>go bonkers. So the thing we do to prevent him

1:26:32.600 --> 1:26:35.479
<v Speaker 1>from going bonkers is at us like smaller ones. You

1:26:35.560 --> 1:26:38.719
<v Speaker 1>gaff him and just drag him in a little bit bigger.

1:26:38.840 --> 1:26:41.439
<v Speaker 1>You want to buy some time. And so we have

1:26:41.680 --> 1:26:45.080
<v Speaker 1>these harpoon shafts and have a detachable head on it

1:26:45.840 --> 1:26:47.960
<v Speaker 1>that's hooked to a cable leader that's hooked to a

1:26:48.080 --> 1:26:50.920
<v Speaker 1>rope that's hooked to a booty, And when the fish

1:26:51.000 --> 1:26:53.720
<v Speaker 1>comes up, you just jab it through the head and

1:26:53.840 --> 1:26:58.160
<v Speaker 1>this detachable head comes off. It's like a toggle, and

1:26:58.240 --> 1:27:00.200
<v Speaker 1>then throw the booty over the side of the out

1:27:01.120 --> 1:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>and then the fishes on the line. Oftentimes this process

1:27:04.160 --> 1:27:07.320
<v Speaker 1>the fish comes unhooked from a jhook. But all of

1:27:07.360 --> 1:27:10.840
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, now your fishes harpooned and on a buoy,

1:27:11.439 --> 1:27:12.920
<v Speaker 1>and that buys you all the time in the world.

1:27:13.360 --> 1:27:15.360
<v Speaker 1>You can then do whatever you need to do. This

1:27:15.479 --> 1:27:20.680
<v Speaker 1>booty is probably size of the volleyball the buoy. To

1:27:20.760 --> 1:27:22.920
<v Speaker 1>blame the booty that I'm telling a story about, it's

1:27:22.920 --> 1:27:25.160
<v Speaker 1>about size. It's probably a little smaller in the basketball

1:27:26.000 --> 1:27:30.400
<v Speaker 1>easily easily fits into like easily fits into a five

1:27:30.400 --> 1:27:31.960
<v Speaker 1>gallon bucket. You probably fit two them in a five

1:27:31.960 --> 1:27:35.760
<v Speaker 1>gallon bucket. Inflatable buoy and the inflatable that's only like

1:27:35.840 --> 1:27:37.479
<v Speaker 1>two p s I or something. I mean, it's like

1:27:38.360 --> 1:27:42.080
<v Speaker 1>no real air pressure in him. Uh. And then what

1:27:42.160 --> 1:27:43.479
<v Speaker 1>you do is you can grab the rope and the

1:27:43.479 --> 1:27:45.040
<v Speaker 1>buoye's on it and you can pull the fish up.

1:27:45.520 --> 1:27:48.120
<v Speaker 1>You can bleed it. You can just hang it there,

1:27:48.320 --> 1:27:51.840
<v Speaker 1>wait until it stops thrashing it's bled. If it's like

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<v Speaker 1>the next stage up, you can kind of put a

1:27:54.360 --> 1:27:58.240
<v Speaker 1>rope around its tail. You can even tie its tail

1:27:59.080 --> 1:28:02.360
<v Speaker 1>so he's bent into a c and tie them up

1:28:02.439 --> 1:28:04.720
<v Speaker 1>like that and then bring him up in the boat

1:28:04.920 --> 1:28:09.439
<v Speaker 1>so he's not going bonkers. Anyhow, We're out fishing and

1:28:09.600 --> 1:28:11.720
<v Speaker 1>I and we're fishing to spot. The weather is too

1:28:11.760 --> 1:28:13.120
<v Speaker 1>bad to go to the good spots. We have to

1:28:13.120 --> 1:28:14.960
<v Speaker 1>go to the shitty spots. And we're fishing the shitty

1:28:15.000 --> 1:28:17.200
<v Speaker 1>spot and it's shitty, and I'm like, let's go to

1:28:17.240 --> 1:28:18.800
<v Speaker 1>another shitty spot in the middle, go to the other

1:28:18.800 --> 1:28:22.160
<v Speaker 1>shitty spot. And I dropped down bam giant like a

1:28:22.400 --> 1:28:25.920
<v Speaker 1>big Halibit and eventually get out of the boat, and

1:28:25.960 --> 1:28:27.960
<v Speaker 1>we have the conversation we always have, which is like,

1:28:29.080 --> 1:28:31.519
<v Speaker 1>you're not supposed to kill the big, huge halibit because

1:28:31.560 --> 1:28:35.120
<v Speaker 1>they're females, like once they gonna do certain size. Just

1:28:35.240 --> 1:28:37.920
<v Speaker 1>know they're an egg bearing female. They're like a reproductively

1:28:38.040 --> 1:28:42.080
<v Speaker 1>viable female. And we know that this. We have this

1:28:42.200 --> 1:28:45.400
<v Speaker 1>conversation like, yeah, but there's commercial longliners that work these

1:28:45.439 --> 1:28:52.040
<v Speaker 1>same waters, like people are hauling out metric tons of right,

1:28:52.760 --> 1:28:55.800
<v Speaker 1>and all the people in the world, and everyone wants

1:28:55.840 --> 1:28:58.360
<v Speaker 1>to bring some HElib at home, and okay, let's kill it.

1:28:58.479 --> 1:29:01.479
<v Speaker 1>This is every time him. The conversation goes the same way.

1:29:01.880 --> 1:29:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Every time. We have this verbal acknowledgement that there's an

1:29:05.200 --> 1:29:08.520
<v Speaker 1>argentry made for not doing it, and then we justify

1:29:08.680 --> 1:29:13.320
<v Speaker 1>it with, well, why would we do something about global warming?

1:29:13.640 --> 1:29:18.680
<v Speaker 1>China is not right. We have that conversation, so we

1:29:18.800 --> 1:29:20.840
<v Speaker 1>decided to kill the fish. So it comes up and

1:29:20.920 --> 1:29:26.320
<v Speaker 1>it's just head, I mean, like never ending head. It's

1:29:26.360 --> 1:29:28.479
<v Speaker 1>just all head, like as deep down as you can

1:29:28.520 --> 1:29:32.679
<v Speaker 1>see it still it's head. And fits takes the harpoon

1:29:33.760 --> 1:29:40.360
<v Speaker 1>and sticks it in the head and it sounds and

1:29:41.640 --> 1:29:45.479
<v Speaker 1>the hook pops out the fish sounds. The booty goes

1:29:45.640 --> 1:29:47.479
<v Speaker 1>overboard like I've never seen a booey, like if you

1:29:47.520 --> 1:29:48.840
<v Speaker 1>got a hit in the head, but this boody has

1:29:48.880 --> 1:29:51.240
<v Speaker 1>been dead way. This booy goes overboard as the rope

1:29:51.320 --> 1:29:57.160
<v Speaker 1>runs out and the boy gone from the water surface,

1:29:59.160 --> 1:30:03.439
<v Speaker 1>and I just gotta will sink and feeling and we're like,

1:30:03.479 --> 1:30:05.400
<v Speaker 1>well it'll pop up. It'll have to pop up, you know,

1:30:05.400 --> 1:30:07.160
<v Speaker 1>because actually they vanished now and then they come up

1:30:07.200 --> 1:30:10.439
<v Speaker 1>like ten seconds later. It three days later, it hadn't

1:30:10.439 --> 1:30:16.880
<v Speaker 1>popped up. Gone. He's you know they say hook line

1:30:16.880 --> 1:30:25.960
<v Speaker 1>and sinker, harpoon, had rope and booie. He sucked it down. Sorry,

1:30:26.160 --> 1:30:28.200
<v Speaker 1>she you know what. My buddy fits was even making

1:30:28.200 --> 1:30:30.320
<v Speaker 1>a point to say she and her just to rub

1:30:30.400 --> 1:30:34.360
<v Speaker 1>it in. She sucked it down. And we sat there

1:30:34.520 --> 1:30:38.200
<v Speaker 1>for an hour with waiting. Went to get binoculars because

1:30:38.240 --> 1:30:41.040
<v Speaker 1>we went that far from our shack, went to get binoculars,

1:30:41.520 --> 1:30:45.720
<v Speaker 1>come back out, spend a couple more hours, then we

1:30:45.760 --> 1:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>started doing concentric circles. The next morning we're right back

1:30:49.760 --> 1:30:55.479
<v Speaker 1>out there, never to be seen again. How how much

1:30:55.880 --> 1:31:00.599
<v Speaker 1>do you think that fish wade? Maybe? How big can

1:31:00.640 --> 1:31:04.360
<v Speaker 1>hallib it get? And the state records like five forty

1:31:04.520 --> 1:31:06.800
<v Speaker 1>or four ninety it was. I know they get over

1:31:06.840 --> 1:31:09.080
<v Speaker 1>five pounds. I don't know the state the state records

1:31:10.280 --> 1:31:13.439
<v Speaker 1>and nothing like that. And how old is a hell

1:31:13.520 --> 1:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>of it to weigh that much? You have to look

1:31:16.760 --> 1:31:18.680
<v Speaker 1>that up. Yeah, I don't know their growth rates. The

1:31:18.800 --> 1:31:21.760
<v Speaker 1>females get big. You really shouldn't be doing this to

1:31:21.800 --> 1:31:23.599
<v Speaker 1>Hall of It, but we did it. Did you talk

1:31:23.640 --> 1:31:28.160
<v Speaker 1>to Ron Layton about the whole experience? No? No, but

1:31:28.240 --> 1:31:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I did call a couple of people. But the best

1:31:30.080 --> 1:31:34.080
<v Speaker 1>theory is Danny's theory. One guy called it a halibut cat,

1:31:34.160 --> 1:31:38.760
<v Speaker 1>and he said it'll pop up, like he said, I mean,

1:31:38.800 --> 1:31:40.639
<v Speaker 1>I've never heard of one being gone more in ten minutes.

1:31:40.680 --> 1:31:43.280
<v Speaker 1>But just hang tight, I said, when it pops up

1:31:43.280 --> 1:31:44.920
<v Speaker 1>as a pop up far away, he goes, I've always

1:31:44.920 --> 1:31:47.040
<v Speaker 1>been shocked how close by it popped up, because I

1:31:47.040 --> 1:31:48.880
<v Speaker 1>think they go straight down then the booty flows them

1:31:48.920 --> 1:31:50.600
<v Speaker 1>straight back up. So he said, just hanging tight. I'm like,

1:31:50.600 --> 1:31:54.040
<v Speaker 1>why aren't you been sitting here an hour? And he's like,

1:31:54.080 --> 1:31:57.160
<v Speaker 1>I keep looking. Danny's theory is this, and this is

1:31:57.200 --> 1:31:59.679
<v Speaker 1>the one I think is correct. I think it sucked

1:31:59.680 --> 1:32:01.719
<v Speaker 1>it down down in the air pressure collapse the booty,

1:32:02.960 --> 1:32:08.439
<v Speaker 1>the water pressure collapse, the booby just so now it's

1:32:08.479 --> 1:32:10.479
<v Speaker 1>just living with a booy. I don't think it's dead

1:32:10.520 --> 1:32:13.479
<v Speaker 1>with a booby. The other theory is that it got

1:32:13.560 --> 1:32:15.040
<v Speaker 1>hung up on something. I don't think it got hung

1:32:15.120 --> 1:32:16.439
<v Speaker 1>up on something, and I think it went down the

1:32:16.479 --> 1:32:18.639
<v Speaker 1>booty collapse. I think it sucked it down a hundred

1:32:18.640 --> 1:32:26.599
<v Speaker 1>feet down or whatever. The booty burst collapsed, it would

1:32:26.600 --> 1:32:31.240
<v Speaker 1>be deflated. But would you pull a rock fish up

1:32:33.560 --> 1:32:37.080
<v Speaker 1>what's its swim bladder? Do? Yeah? Coming out the goals

1:32:37.400 --> 1:32:43.760
<v Speaker 1>gets big going down the it just would have He

1:32:43.840 --> 1:32:45.960
<v Speaker 1>thinks it just deflated it. Maybe even pop the cork

1:32:46.400 --> 1:32:48.759
<v Speaker 1>on the buoy because it's an inflatable booth a threaded

1:32:48.800 --> 1:32:51.679
<v Speaker 1>cork in it. And now that fish just died a slow,

1:32:51.800 --> 1:32:54.880
<v Speaker 1>painful death at the bottom of the ocean, dragging around

1:32:54.920 --> 1:33:01.559
<v Speaker 1>my deflated buoy. We'll continue to talk about letting those

1:33:01.600 --> 1:33:03.680
<v Speaker 1>big ones live, and I might be more inclined. Now.

1:33:05.120 --> 1:33:09.120
<v Speaker 1>I just have a question though, about like really really depressing. Yeah,

1:33:09.160 --> 1:33:12.120
<v Speaker 1>that that was that was kind of a downer. We

1:33:12.240 --> 1:33:15.360
<v Speaker 1>go ahead with your question. No, just you know, back

1:33:15.439 --> 1:33:20.519
<v Speaker 1>to uh, if a lot of other people do it? Whatever,

1:33:20.680 --> 1:33:23.640
<v Speaker 1>it is that makes it okay? Yeah, because it's like

1:33:23.800 --> 1:33:27.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you bring something out to its logical argument,

1:33:27.800 --> 1:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>you look at the end result of everyone doing it

1:33:31.240 --> 1:33:36.479
<v Speaker 1>this way or everyone doing it doing X the the

1:33:36.600 --> 1:33:38.559
<v Speaker 1>other way. I just well, let me tell you, let

1:33:38.600 --> 1:33:40.599
<v Speaker 1>me put it this way. So we get a lot

1:33:40.640 --> 1:33:43.479
<v Speaker 1>of questions about hunting ethics and fishing ethics and all this, right,

1:33:44.640 --> 1:33:47.200
<v Speaker 1>and a point I've settled out and I think I

1:33:47.280 --> 1:33:49.439
<v Speaker 1>think I say to people often it's like a great

1:33:49.640 --> 1:33:54.960
<v Speaker 1>start with ethics, a great start, and maybe it is

1:33:55.040 --> 1:33:59.880
<v Speaker 1>the end of your journey. Just do what's legal. Don't

1:34:00.200 --> 1:34:04.200
<v Speaker 1>the law, Like, learn the law and stick to it.

1:34:05.640 --> 1:34:09.400
<v Speaker 1>How does is not just state regulated, it's federally regulated

1:34:10.920 --> 1:34:14.720
<v Speaker 1>because they move their migratory so we like share management

1:34:14.800 --> 1:34:20.479
<v Speaker 1>authority with Canada. We have federal and state regulations on halibu.

1:34:20.800 --> 1:34:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Those halibus say that as a non resid or non

1:34:24.040 --> 1:34:28.640
<v Speaker 1>resident or resident recreational angler, you're allowed to halibate of

1:34:28.800 --> 1:34:33.880
<v Speaker 1>any size every day. Juxtaposed that with this year, officially

1:34:33.960 --> 1:34:36.560
<v Speaker 1>it went from one yellow I rock fisher year to

1:34:36.840 --> 1:34:39.800
<v Speaker 1>zero yellow I rock fisher year. You can have to

1:34:40.040 --> 1:34:45.600
<v Speaker 1>LINKD one in the inch bracket, one in the overt

1:34:45.920 --> 1:34:50.280
<v Speaker 1>in bracket annual limit black cod eight per year, four

1:34:50.439 --> 1:34:54.680
<v Speaker 1>per day. Right, they're not shy about telling you not

1:34:54.840 --> 1:35:00.439
<v Speaker 1>to do ship. They're not shy about it. They're not like,

1:35:00.800 --> 1:35:03.760
<v Speaker 1>we really shouldn't, but every we'll be disappointed. They're very

1:35:04.320 --> 1:35:06.720
<v Speaker 1>king Salmon. They will at the drop of a hat

1:35:06.840 --> 1:35:10.800
<v Speaker 1>say sorry, boys, even you people that have booked to

1:35:10.880 --> 1:35:15.960
<v Speaker 1>King Salmon trip, Sorry, King Salmon season ends tonight. Tough ship.

1:35:18.040 --> 1:35:23.559
<v Speaker 1>So you're allowed to held it per day, any size,

1:35:23.960 --> 1:35:29.519
<v Speaker 1>any size, any sex. Yes, Okay. So if you look

1:35:29.600 --> 1:35:33.639
<v Speaker 1>at the management authority and you say, man, these guys

1:35:33.720 --> 1:35:36.880
<v Speaker 1>don't mess around. They're willing to do some insane ship

1:35:37.080 --> 1:35:46.000
<v Speaker 1>like closed seasons, unexpectedly overnight. Uh, who do I? Who

1:35:46.040 --> 1:35:48.559
<v Speaker 1>do I go? Where do I pick up my cues from?

1:35:49.439 --> 1:35:54.800
<v Speaker 1>But then you're conflicted because these large females always have

1:35:54.880 --> 1:35:57.719
<v Speaker 1>eggs in them, always have eggs in them, are important

1:35:57.760 --> 1:36:02.759
<v Speaker 1>for the the or so I've been told, charter fisherman,

1:36:02.800 --> 1:36:04.960
<v Speaker 1>if you're fishing with a guide, if you're a recreational

1:36:05.040 --> 1:36:07.000
<v Speaker 1>fisherman fishing with a guide, you can't keep those big

1:36:07.040 --> 1:36:11.799
<v Speaker 1>ones because they want to maintain the just reducing reducing

1:36:11.800 --> 1:36:15.120
<v Speaker 1>a stress around the fish, but commercially you can't got

1:36:15.200 --> 1:36:20.559
<v Speaker 1>it like longliners can. If you talk to the captains

1:36:20.600 --> 1:36:23.080
<v Speaker 1>out there, they'll tell you that exactly the same amount

1:36:23.280 --> 1:36:26.320
<v Speaker 1>of big old females are getting killed and brought in.

1:36:26.600 --> 1:36:29.080
<v Speaker 1>It just is they're just letting other groups do it.

1:36:29.840 --> 1:36:33.080
<v Speaker 1>So it's pretty sticky subject up there. Yeah. And the

1:36:33.120 --> 1:36:35.560
<v Speaker 1>other thing is you can go catch small ones and

1:36:35.640 --> 1:36:37.400
<v Speaker 1>then people will be pissed because you're not letting them

1:36:37.439 --> 1:36:41.800
<v Speaker 1>get big. It's a real minefield. I mean ethics, you know,

1:36:42.160 --> 1:36:45.800
<v Speaker 1>it's a whole field of study for reason. All right,

1:36:45.960 --> 1:36:49.280
<v Speaker 1>So that happened. What else? Give me your give me?

1:36:49.439 --> 1:36:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Like a me losing his fish isn't on the show.

1:36:54.840 --> 1:36:57.080
<v Speaker 1>This is after we stopped filming and I was just

1:36:57.200 --> 1:36:59.920
<v Speaker 1>hanging around my family. But the deep drop in his

1:37:00.040 --> 1:37:02.560
<v Speaker 1>on the show, so stay tuned. And then Yanni was

1:37:02.880 --> 1:37:05.599
<v Speaker 1>our little startling adventure is going to be on the show.

1:37:06.240 --> 1:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>That's a lot of fun. Oh, it's so fun, very beautiful,

1:37:09.880 --> 1:37:13.559
<v Speaker 1>very educational. It falls into my little bucket of doing

1:37:13.840 --> 1:37:16.280
<v Speaker 1>stuff that makes me a little nervous, a little dancing

1:37:16.280 --> 1:37:19.880
<v Speaker 1>at weddings, yeah for sure. Yeah, except we didn't do

1:37:19.880 --> 1:37:23.840
<v Speaker 1>any shots before we jumped into that fifty degree water,

1:37:24.720 --> 1:37:27.960
<v Speaker 1>which wasn't bad and just becoming all that. The training

1:37:28.000 --> 1:37:31.480
<v Speaker 1>that we did with Greg and Alex last year in California,

1:37:32.160 --> 1:37:34.320
<v Speaker 1>even though it was a whole year later, it really

1:37:34.360 --> 1:37:36.679
<v Speaker 1>paid off. I was so much more comfortable just getting

1:37:36.720 --> 1:37:38.400
<v Speaker 1>in there. It was cold, but you warm up in

1:37:38.479 --> 1:37:40.640
<v Speaker 1>like five minutes when that layer of water warms up

1:37:40.680 --> 1:37:43.880
<v Speaker 1>in your suit, and uh, I didn't quite feel like

1:37:44.040 --> 1:37:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Darth Vader, you know, the whole time we were in

1:37:46.000 --> 1:37:48.720
<v Speaker 1>the water whatever, it was a couple of hours. Um,

1:37:49.960 --> 1:37:52.280
<v Speaker 1>it's beautiful down there. And it just all came back,

1:37:52.400 --> 1:37:54.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, the whole friends old technique of popping my ears.

1:37:55.640 --> 1:37:57.720
<v Speaker 1>Like the first time I got down there and I

1:37:57.760 --> 1:37:59.000
<v Speaker 1>felt it, I was like, oh, yeah, I remember to

1:37:59.040 --> 1:38:01.519
<v Speaker 1>do this, and then my ears popped, and yeah. I

1:38:01.560 --> 1:38:03.679
<v Speaker 1>just went about our business. I didn't find any scalps,

1:38:03.720 --> 1:38:06.040
<v Speaker 1>which was a bummer, but it's one of those things

1:38:06.080 --> 1:38:09.120
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm gonna have to look for. It's like Morrel's,

1:38:09.200 --> 1:38:13.120
<v Speaker 1>It's like, uh, it's a learned thing. I think. It's

1:38:13.160 --> 1:38:15.400
<v Speaker 1>like I remember being shipped here on the hillside. I

1:38:15.400 --> 1:38:18.040
<v Speaker 1>remember being shocked when I saw my first rock scallop,

1:38:18.520 --> 1:38:19.880
<v Speaker 1>and then now I just kind of know what I'm

1:38:19.920 --> 1:38:21.760
<v Speaker 1>looking for. But I remember being like, oh my god,

1:38:22.439 --> 1:38:24.680
<v Speaker 1>that's one, and then you wanted like how many of

1:38:24.680 --> 1:38:26.400
<v Speaker 1>those did I pass? Up? Right, it's kind of that

1:38:26.520 --> 1:38:29.920
<v Speaker 1>feeling a quick tibet on depth and the booey and

1:38:29.960 --> 1:38:32.479
<v Speaker 1>all that and what Greg Fonds, the spear fisherman. He

1:38:32.600 --> 1:38:35.120
<v Speaker 1>was saying that he dives in that that temperature water

1:38:35.560 --> 1:38:39.720
<v Speaker 1>with a seven mill suit because the suit compresses so

1:38:39.840 --> 1:38:43.599
<v Speaker 1>by the time you're down to um when you're at depth,

1:38:43.720 --> 1:38:45.320
<v Speaker 1>you're in like a two mill suit or a three

1:38:45.360 --> 1:38:49.200
<v Speaker 1>mill suit. You see what I'm saying, I do, but

1:38:49.320 --> 1:38:55.040
<v Speaker 1>go on, it's interesting. Uh No, I just really enjoyed that. Uh. Historically,

1:38:55.520 --> 1:38:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Ricky did too highlight for picking up those c cucumbers,

1:39:00.040 --> 1:39:03.880
<v Speaker 1>and that is definitely the beginners, Like that's the gateway

1:39:04.240 --> 1:39:07.599
<v Speaker 1>for free diving, right there are those c cucumbers. They

1:39:07.600 --> 1:39:13.320
<v Speaker 1>don't get away, they can't get away from you know what.

1:39:13.360 --> 1:39:15.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm hanging out like one or two and then all

1:39:15.960 --> 1:39:17.479
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden you go down and you're like, ah,

1:39:17.640 --> 1:39:21.120
<v Speaker 1>there's ten in a row. I was out of breath

1:39:21.160 --> 1:39:22.599
<v Speaker 1>most of the time. I wasn't doing a very good

1:39:22.680 --> 1:39:25.720
<v Speaker 1>job hold my breath. Uh what what what did you have? What?

1:39:25.840 --> 1:39:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Were your impressions just in general closing thought of the

1:39:30.040 --> 1:39:32.680
<v Speaker 1>whole shoot, Yes, the trip and everything. Oh, I mean,

1:39:32.760 --> 1:39:34.960
<v Speaker 1>I think the fish Shack is easily one of my

1:39:35.040 --> 1:39:38.920
<v Speaker 1>favorite places. Uh it rains all the time, which is

1:39:38.960 --> 1:39:43.160
<v Speaker 1>pretty terrible for doing camera work, but um, I wouldn't

1:39:43.160 --> 1:39:47.519
<v Speaker 1>trade it. But I'm always amazed how I don't know,

1:39:47.680 --> 1:39:50.280
<v Speaker 1>just those coastal conditions out on the water. It's raining,

1:39:50.400 --> 1:39:56.960
<v Speaker 1>it's cold, it's fifty degrees, it's uh yeah, it's it's

1:39:57.000 --> 1:40:01.599
<v Speaker 1>fantastic though, thumbs up, thumbs up. You've got a couple

1:40:01.640 --> 1:40:04.000
<v Speaker 1>of drone shots while we were up, Oh man, some

1:40:04.120 --> 1:40:09.360
<v Speaker 1>beautiful drone stuff, which makes my drone enthusiasm very very high.

1:40:10.200 --> 1:40:12.120
<v Speaker 1>We we had to write. We wrote a song about

1:40:12.240 --> 1:40:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Rick as a drone enthusiast. It's, um, he's got that itch.

1:40:16.560 --> 1:40:19.320
<v Speaker 1>His name is Rich, but it's actually Rick is how

1:40:19.360 --> 1:40:23.200
<v Speaker 1>the song goes, so pretty good lyrics there. All right,

1:40:23.240 --> 1:40:26.120
<v Speaker 1>let's close out with another robust plug for Ben hold On.

1:40:26.439 --> 1:40:29.280
<v Speaker 1>I got a little comment on you know, everybody says,

1:40:29.600 --> 1:40:32.720
<v Speaker 1>how of it? Just like pulling up a piece of plywood.

1:40:33.000 --> 1:40:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Everybody says, everybody says everything. Yeah, Well, I'd like to

1:40:37.160 --> 1:40:39.280
<v Speaker 1>just comment on that and I was thinking about that

1:40:39.439 --> 1:40:41.639
<v Speaker 1>fighting a few how but I caught there a couple

1:40:41.640 --> 1:40:43.920
<v Speaker 1>of weeks ago, and like, this feels like any other

1:40:44.000 --> 1:40:47.760
<v Speaker 1>fish you're pulling off the bottom, head shakes. Yeah, if

1:40:47.800 --> 1:40:50.720
<v Speaker 1>you didn't know it was a hall of it, it

1:40:50.800 --> 1:40:53.880
<v Speaker 1>could be a big fat grouper. It could be a

1:40:54.600 --> 1:40:56.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, think of another fish that just they

1:40:57.000 --> 1:41:00.000
<v Speaker 1>don't go for screaming long runs at least I've never experience.

1:41:00.000 --> 1:41:03.840
<v Speaker 1>It's that, you know, because you've got such heavy tackle. Yeah. Oh,

1:41:03.920 --> 1:41:05.920
<v Speaker 1>when you're jigging, you already jigging your jigging way up

1:41:05.920 --> 1:41:10.639
<v Speaker 1>over your head and also bamnam and then you buckle

1:41:10.720 --> 1:41:14.600
<v Speaker 1>in and that head just going boo, almost like it

1:41:14.760 --> 1:41:16.439
<v Speaker 1>like hurt, like if he was hitting your head with

1:41:16.560 --> 1:41:20.439
<v Speaker 1>his head to knock you out. Oh yeah, they put

1:41:20.520 --> 1:41:23.679
<v Speaker 1>up a good all that oh burn door, what suck?

1:41:25.000 --> 1:41:27.599
<v Speaker 1>So I like Alibet for that. They were really fun

1:41:27.680 --> 1:41:30.200
<v Speaker 1>to catch this time again, I've got a little more experience,

1:41:31.640 --> 1:41:34.040
<v Speaker 1>so I think I just I lost one. So I

1:41:34.280 --> 1:41:36.920
<v Speaker 1>feel like I had a good, pretty good hitting catch

1:41:37.040 --> 1:41:40.439
<v Speaker 1>to hook to bite to hook ratio, which is nice.

1:41:40.600 --> 1:41:42.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, I didn't let any go, But coming home

1:41:42.880 --> 1:41:45.439
<v Speaker 1>and eating them, you know, I'm not like huge on

1:41:45.560 --> 1:41:48.400
<v Speaker 1>the holb but usually for eating them, they're just it's

1:41:48.439 --> 1:41:50.840
<v Speaker 1>just like a vessel, you know, like everybody describes, right,

1:41:51.080 --> 1:41:53.720
<v Speaker 1>they're just it's me. It's there, doesn't have a lot

1:41:53.760 --> 1:41:57.120
<v Speaker 1>of flavor. Everybody likes it. But I decided to blacken

1:41:57.240 --> 1:42:00.960
<v Speaker 1>one with that blackening. So talk about that that stuff

1:42:00.960 --> 1:42:05.479
<v Speaker 1>that we got in the pint. Yeah, Chef John uh

1:42:05.800 --> 1:42:08.840
<v Speaker 1>White maybe is his last name, I can't remember. Just

1:42:08.920 --> 1:42:11.479
<v Speaker 1>like Instagram buddies, we've never hung out, but he sent us.

1:42:11.560 --> 1:42:13.360
<v Speaker 1>He asked we wanted something. I said sure, so he

1:42:13.400 --> 1:42:16.439
<v Speaker 1>sent us like six pints of his blackening spice. I'm

1:42:16.520 --> 1:42:20.080
<v Speaker 1>telling you follow his directions. Don't put too much on

1:42:20.360 --> 1:42:24.360
<v Speaker 1>both sides, a little bit of oil cast iron, and

1:42:24.439 --> 1:42:26.080
<v Speaker 1>then when you flip it after you see her, the

1:42:26.120 --> 1:42:29.519
<v Speaker 1>first side you put in like depending how much fish

1:42:29.600 --> 1:42:32.599
<v Speaker 1>you got in there, but you know, up to half

1:42:32.680 --> 1:42:35.680
<v Speaker 1>stick of butter, and then just start basting, turning down

1:42:35.760 --> 1:42:39.200
<v Speaker 1>like low and start basting that seared side with the butter.

1:42:40.200 --> 1:42:42.240
<v Speaker 1>And after maybe five minutes when was getting to be done,

1:42:42.560 --> 1:42:44.840
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of white wine. Squeeze a lemon in there,

1:42:45.000 --> 1:42:51.559
<v Speaker 1>keep basting prime prime eating right there. Yeah, yeah, I'll

1:42:51.640 --> 1:42:53.400
<v Speaker 1>give you something it's been I thought i'd go through

1:42:53.439 --> 1:42:55.680
<v Speaker 1>that pint wicked quick, but I barely have a dent

1:42:55.840 --> 1:42:59.840
<v Speaker 1>in it. So alright, one last quick, robust plug for Bent.

1:43:00.800 --> 1:43:03.240
<v Speaker 1>A much better show about fishing than what we just had.

1:43:04.840 --> 1:43:08.560
<v Speaker 1>That was real tangential. I will say, of all the

1:43:08.600 --> 1:43:10.840
<v Speaker 1>projects fishing projects I've worked on over the years, I

1:43:10.920 --> 1:43:13.280
<v Speaker 1>am more excited about this one than anything else I've

1:43:13.320 --> 1:43:16.040
<v Speaker 1>ever done. So I just I just hope I think

1:43:16.080 --> 1:43:19.519
<v Speaker 1>Miles would agree. Um, people have fun with this podcast,

1:43:19.640 --> 1:43:22.519
<v Speaker 1>are entertained by and kind of occasionally walk away going

1:43:23.080 --> 1:43:24.840
<v Speaker 1>what the hell did he just say? Is kind of

1:43:24.920 --> 1:43:28.280
<v Speaker 1>my goal? And not because the sound quality is poor, No,

1:43:28.560 --> 1:43:31.559
<v Speaker 1>not at all. Know if that If that's the problem,

1:43:31.640 --> 1:43:35.160
<v Speaker 1>take that up with Phil. Uh. If it's a content problem,

1:43:35.200 --> 1:43:37.040
<v Speaker 1>you can you can, you can write to us. Yeah,

1:43:37.080 --> 1:43:39.800
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be produced by meat eaters best exactly, it

1:43:39.840 --> 1:43:44.680
<v Speaker 1>won't be any sounds fill the engineer. When can our

1:43:44.760 --> 1:43:51.360
<v Speaker 1>audiences listen to the podcast every single Friday? Dropping earlier

1:43:51.400 --> 1:43:53.240
<v Speaker 1>early in the morning. If you if you are up

1:43:53.280 --> 1:43:56.400
<v Speaker 1>earlier than this drops, then uh, either you have really

1:43:56.439 --> 1:43:59.439
<v Speaker 1>small children or you're doing more fun things that I am.

1:44:00.040 --> 1:44:01.760
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, well, you fish more than Miles

1:44:01.800 --> 1:44:04.880
<v Speaker 1>and Night. Yeah, exactly, all right, thanks everyone,