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Speaker 1: been exceptionally poor of late, he's here with us in

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Speaker 1: speak up, uh now. Another piece of housekeeping we have

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Speaker 1: with us, Miles Nolt and Joel Surmelli and they have

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Speaker 1: like an announcement. We do, but you have a decision

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Speaker 1: to make. Um, Joe's not with us, he's over in Jersey,

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Speaker 1: Eastern p A. But close enough, Joysy. Uh home, you're

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Speaker 1: a guy. But moved across the river for the tax break.

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Speaker 1: pretty much. I I moved one step closer to America,

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Speaker 1: end though, ye, So you know, if you've been paying attention,

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Speaker 1: of it? Did you just hang out? Wow? We got out,

423
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: and then he's like, yeah, I would probably go but

424
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: just no, he was just like, what in Sam Hill?

425
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: Is this? Anybody else seen one? Yeah? Didn't you guys have?

426
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: Nick's always doing all kind of fake animals. Oh that's

427
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: all right now he's kind of like actual animals. I

428
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: mean they're all actual animals, just some of them. Maybe

429
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: that links was totally habituated. It was like, I know

430
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 1: what you guys are do you have any snacks? So

431
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: you saw one, tell me the story real quick. It

432
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: was off the side of the road. We were filming

433
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 1: thermal footage, nighttime stuff, so he saw in the dark. Yeah,

434
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: I picked it up on a thermal camera. Mm hmm hmm.

435
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: I'll share a quick story with about that. Thermal stuff

436
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: is interesting. So I was talking to these dudes years ago.

437
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: One of the highlights of my life is I got

438
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,719
Speaker 1: to go down and talk to the third Special Forces

439
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: Group at Fort Bragg and I got to shoot ship

440
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: with some of those kids afterwards. So he's a Green

441
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: Brays and we got to shoot the ship and he

442
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: was telling me a story. One of these kids is

443
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: telling me a story that they were in some past

444
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan and they hit these Taliban guys coming over

445
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: this pass and one of them had some kind of

446
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: like some kind of anti aircraft gun or some kind

447
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: of like big I can't remember what are you telling

448
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: me what the gun was. He was carrying it, and

449
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: they hit the dude and he drops the thing and

450
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: then everybody drags him off. So they just sit there

451
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: with a thermal scope knowing an eventually someone's gonna want

452
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: to come out and grab this gun and they're just

453
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: set up waiting to get whoever comes out to get

454
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: the gun. And he tells me that as he's watching

455
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: with his thermal scope in the middle of the night,

456
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: he says, a snow leopard came out and sniffed around

457
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: that spot. That wild Pretty cool, go on, Miles. All

458
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: all my for the most part, animal setting stories were

459
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: the same. It's when I was guiding in Alaska in

460
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere and I'm like focused on whatever

461
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: doing now. At the court of my I see movement, like, oh,

462
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: that's what that is. It's not there's none of them

463
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: are good stories, Like there is no art, Like nothing

464
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: cool happens. I'm just like, oh, I saw Wolverine one time,

465
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: but nothing happened, and there was a Lynx one of them. Yeah,

466
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: I saw a Lynx. Once I saw Wolverine, what was

467
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: he doing? He was basically slinking along the edge of

468
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: the timber. I think he popped out to see what

469
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: was going on, like what we were up to, and

470
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: then saw Uce was like, I'm out of here. I'm gone.

471
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: I don't wanting to do with it. Well, most of

472
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: the time you were going to if if anybody has

473
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: everyone would say no, even in places like Colorado in

474
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: the lower forty eight where you have some Even in

475
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: Alaska where you have a bunch out of six people

476
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: in this room, I agree that. Yeah. Well, if I

477
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: hadn't that one, all of us had one lucky moment.

478
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: It's easy to picture having not seen well, no here,

479
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: it's only in our in our of our group, I

480
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: haven't seen one. Three out of five. That's not fifth count.

481
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: Oh you ever seen one over there in uh Jersey, Pennsylvania. Nope, nope.

482
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: Uh So they along just like they've been studying a

483
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: whole bunch of other animals with GPS. Colleges are starting

484
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: to do that with links now too, and they're finding

485
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: out some wild stuff. Um Like, they're taking these crazy

486
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: long migrations. This is where Hobo comes in with the

487
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: longest known LINKS migration. He comes in just shy of

488
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: twenty were hundred miles in a single migration in about

489
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: thirteen months he did this. He started off I can't

490
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: remember the name of the park in Alaska, but um

491
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: like southern half of Alaska, and then cut over into

492
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: um into uh I guess it would be Northwest Territories,

493
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: and then headed south a male looking for me. They

494
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: don't know, they haven't interviewed, they don't know yet. I know,

495
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: but predators tending that to go yell crazy. I can

496
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: answer all these questions you have after reading my short

497
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: little article, because they certainly think that, and they used

498
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: to think that they had like twenty two square mile ranges.

499
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: But then one time, this one trapper in one year

500
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: on a seventy seven mile seventy seven mile long trap

501
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: line caught like over a hundred links is And they're like, well,

502
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: how could that be because there's only one, you know,

503
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: male that moves around every twenty two miles and you

504
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: do the math, and he should have only caught whatever

505
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: it was. Um, so they started wondering, and so they

506
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: started doing more research on it or whatever. So they

507
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: don't really know. They do know that part is probably

508
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: related to the fecundity. And then that's related to super

509
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: high numbers in snowshoe hairs, because this that is the

510
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: classic snowshoet hair, the sick list seven year cycle, yeah

511
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: I think it was. The article said like eight to

512
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: eleven when the snow shoe hairs go up, So right

513
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: now they're super high and they're they're seeing um litters

514
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: sometimes of close to ten kittens. Yes, there's there's some

515
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: pictures in that. It's a lot of little links babies. Yeah.

516
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: I was reading one time that when links, when snowshoe

517
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: hairs are down, they'll have a recruitment rate of zero

518
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: percent links. It's that hard on them. When their food

519
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: source collapses, they'll have a year where they like years

520
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: or in the areas where they think that there was

521
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: zero recruitment. You would think they divertify those food sources

522
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: at some point, like they'd find something else to eat on.

523
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: T's not a good strategy. Talk to the raccoons, man,

524
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: are you doing this? The researchers were saying that it

525
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: very much explains why um, there isn't like genetic diversity.

526
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: That's pretty much like it doesn't matter if you're in

527
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: the Brooks range or if you are in you know,

528
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: the farthest eastern range of the lynx Is range in Canada.

529
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: Somewhere a links is the links of the links. And

530
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: they figured that's because they make these crazy, crazy movements around,

531
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: they don't get the population segments. I read another that's

532
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: why I read another interesting piece of links research. I don't.

533
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: I can't remember if we covered it on this show

534
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: or not a while ago. But they used to think

535
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: that there were, uh that some of the major rivers

536
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: were genetic barriers. And they had some links wearing tracking things,

537
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: and they realized not only are the rivers not a barrier,

538
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 1: but they had links that would cross some of these

539
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: rivers they thought were barriers, would cross the multiple times

540
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: in a day. Interesting, Yeah, Yukon river. Do you think

541
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: about it? Swim across that thing you shoot across? No problem.

542
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: Well they probably also crossed a lot in winter. No, no, no,

543
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: that they were pointing out that they thought it could

544
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: only happen when frozen, but they were pointing out they

545
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: were squirting across these rivers in open water. That'd be

546
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: cool to see. Yeah. So yeah, that's my that's my

547
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: little report on links crazy links are up to I

548
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: give him a plus thanks because he was able to answer,

549
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: he was able to show his work answer questions A plus.

550
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: What do you get? Yeah, a solid. He didn't he

551
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: didn't refer to other sources outside that one article. I'm

552
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: gonna be it was a single source, and he didn't

553
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: have an original argument. It was just regurgitation. But I mean,

554
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: that's the point of us, that's what the task for

555
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: the audience. I had been meaning to read the article

556
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: to which I had links link, not a links, I

557
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: had a link, and I have been meaning to open

558
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: that link and read because I saw the headline about

559
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: a links going real far away. And so just before

560
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: we started the show, I emailed the link to Yann

561
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: and asked me if he could prepare prepare a report

562
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: so for what he had to deal with in the

563
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: time he had to deal with it, I thought that

564
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: he took ownership with the material, delivered it as though

565
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: it was something that was in his mind. On t

566
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: counts for a lot, very timely. I'm sticking by the

567
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: A plus. I don't think he needs extra credit. Do

568
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: you want to give extra credit? No, I said, I

569
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: don't think he needs extra credit. Like maybe yeah, like

570
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: maybe I'm like some kind of poster board. He can

571
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: pay some pictures. Oh yeah, No, he should a print

572
00:33:47,680 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: out from a magazine or something. So, are you gonna

573
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: dig your hole even deep round GMOs or you've done

574
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: You've done the GMO subject. I will dig it even deeper. Okay, okay,

575
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: can you first give it recap of what the problem is, yes,

576
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: and then how the problem got worse. So Steve has

577
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: oftentime referred to the superior tasting small strawberries that he's

578
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: grown in his garden, and that if you go into

579
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: the grocery store and you pick up a pint of

580
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: really beautiful looking strawberries, they often taste like crap or nothing.

581
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: Bigger the worst, the bigger, the worst. So a couple

582
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: of episodes ago, I pulled out an old thing that

583
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: I had remembered and not fully understood from a while back,

584
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that is because you know,

585
00:34:54,080 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: strawberries made. It was ish. Strawberries have been developed in

586
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: a lab with genes from Arctic fish to make them

587
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: more frost resistant, and I guess robust and hardy, you know,

588
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: refrigerated and to last longer. So we got a lot

589
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: of mail, emails, mails. Some folks were really riled up.

590
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:34,479
Speaker 1: Deep strawberries I didn't know this but inspired deep passions, Yes,

591
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: deep passion. Production of strawberries inspires deep pass Absolutely. There

592
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: are some helpful, informative, even keeled messages. Other folks were

593
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: up in arms. We got one man child right in

594
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: if I may say um anyway, So so in a

595
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: previous episode, I kind of I will absolute own that

596
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 1: what I had mentioned was wrong. But the reason why

597
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 1: it was wrong is that there is a certain list

598
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: of genetically modified crops that are on the market in

599
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: the United States, and strawberries are not one of those. Right,

600
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: share with me the list again. So according to the

601
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: f d A, we've got corn, soybean, cotton, Oh yeah, potato, papaya,

602
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: summer squash, canola, alfalfa, tomatoes. How did papaya? What I'm wondering,

603
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: I've got a thing about papaya. Hold your horses, so

604
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: you can buy a GMO papaya. Yeah, papaias papaya is

605
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: our GMO. But hold, I'll adjust that in a bit.

606
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: Where did I leave off alfalfa, apple, sugar beets? No, no, tomatoes,

607
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: nova tomato or something like that. So, so I was

608
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: wrong exactly. I was wrong because I said GMO strawberries.

609
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: But GMO we don't have demo strawberages in the United States.

610
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: I just want to know about right, So, and folks,

611
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: if you know more about this, please right in. Well,

612
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: what I'm going to propose, I still want you to

613
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: carry on. But what I'm going to propose is that,

614
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: why don't you go and get us a great GMO expert.

615
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: I want a GMO apologist, not an anti GMO person,

616
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: because I can already picture what the anti person is

617
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: gonna say. I want to find a guest you should

618
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: track down for us, a guest who's a not a

619
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: GMO apologist, but a GMO realist. Yeah, someone who could

620
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: say like, oh yeah, man, I could see all these

621
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: negatives and there's something to them, but I can also

622
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 1: see some positives and there's something to those. So there's

623
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: cursory research on this Wikipedia which is whatever that's I

624
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: get a D minus for that for that for that source. Um,

625
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: But there is I believe it is from Arctic chart

626
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: like bacteria on the skin, where that there is something

627
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: made from that that is applied and sprayed on strawberries

628
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: to help protect the berry and transposent. Then it's washed off. Everyone.

629
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: If I've said anything wrong, hold me to account. So

630
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: they're taking some fish slime, something that's in fish slip

631
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: berries and then getting the back off to the best

632
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: of my understanding. And there is also something called bio prospecting,

633
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: which is the search for plant and animal species from

634
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: which medicinal drugs and other commercially valuable compounds can be obtained.

635
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if this falls under that category technically

636
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: of what that is, but I didn't um that that's

637
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: the relationship that I've found from Wikipedia. I have yet

638
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: to delve into all this scientific journal articles about that.

639
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: I'd rather have arctic charge line on my strawberries than

640
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: a lot of other nasty things I can imagine. Me

641
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: give me the fish line. I'm good with that. Yeah, no,

642
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: it's not off putting to me. UM. When I was

643
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: in school, I took this class the literature of natural history,

644
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: and one of the books by bye Hank Caarth Hell's

645
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: last name was died of tragic death. Him and his

646
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: wife drowned canoe and the professor and flathead like biggest

647
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: natural lake west of the Mississippi. Um. He had a

648
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: cabin on wild Horse Island, which is where the biggest

649
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: big horn sheep ever came from. But the point being

650
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: about him, we read this this book as part of

651
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: his class. He had to read this book. It was

652
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: about like bioengineering, and it was looking at natural structures

653
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: like how they how you look at cobb web elasticity

654
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: and arrangement honey, and ways in which natural structures inform engineering,

655
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: which is pretty It's really interesting. I would like to

656
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: get someone like that bioengineering person on the show. Joe.

657
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: Does this conversation feel familiar to you? You beat me

658
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: to it. We were just talking about how there's something

659
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: similar here with the study of carp scales and how

660
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: it will translate to building better body armor for humans.

661
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: But if you want if all the details, you're gonna

662
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: have to listen to Bent. But Bent covers. Yeah, but

663
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: just just saying, is it like a long window. It

664
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: is much more suctinct than this. Basically I just said

665
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: exactly the whole thing. Yeah. Wait, I've got one more

666
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: thing about strawberries. So I know this has been weighing

667
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: on you. So I spoke to a farmer in Georgia

668
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: and he has a couple of things to note in

669
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: response to your why do you homegrown strawberries taste better?

670
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: And he says that the reason why, or one potential

671
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: reason why homegrown strawberries maybe sweeter and more flavorful, is

672
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: because they're under more stress than commercial strawberries, which I

673
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: found very interesting. So, when you are farming strawberries for market. Um,

674
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: everything is perfect, the irrigation, the nutrients, everything is just

675
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: kind of like a well oiled machine to get as

676
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: much yield as possible. Um. But perhaps in your garden,

677
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, I don't not sure how you're treating them.

678
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: You're you're maybe watering them regularly. There's something maybe missing.

679
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: Just I'll hacking my way through it. Yeah, there you go.

680
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: You're hacking your way through it. And I'm taking a

681
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: bunch of different types of things and giving them all

682
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: a general treatment and not necessarily fine tuning all of

683
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: their treatment. You're sort of like, you know, like a

684
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: classic vegetable garden. You got like eight things you try

685
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: treated all the same way. Absolutely, the amount of water,

686
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: the aunt of sun, aunt of whatever. And maybe there's

687
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: something missing that the strawberry needs, you know, more than

688
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: the green beans. But one example this gentleman mentioned was that,

689
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: for example, like carrots, let's say that they freeze. If

690
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: the plant is under stress, they may release flavonoids and

691
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: the flavor may development. More So, Let's say with carrots

692
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 1: that have are are in the process of being about

693
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: to freeze, the plant may produce sugars to help protect

694
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: the cells, lower the freezing point, so when we're eating it,

695
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: more of the flavor is actually more sugar content is

696
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: derived from stress that we're that we're tasting. So he

697
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: said he doesn't know the scientific explanation for all of that,

698
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: but I felt like that was pretty interesting. Yes, when

699
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: you find a wild strawberry which just has these like

700
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: teensy teensy little leaves, and it throws off this compact

701
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: but extremely flavorful little berry, and he's really up, he's

702
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: really up against it. And I was talking about this

703
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: with my brother who he's he works for the U.

704
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: S d A. And UH does a lot of stuff

705
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: with crops and plants. And we're out one day commenting

706
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: on um this wild raspberry patch and I was like,

707
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: I wonder why these wild raspberries liked this spot so much?

708
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: And he has this interesting concept he explained to me

709
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: where it's like, it's probably not that they like that spot,

710
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: it's just that's the spot that they can be that

711
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: they're not out competed and overstressed. So what you're seeing

712
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: is you're seeing them where they can grow, not where

713
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: they want to grow. Meaning if you took that same

714
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: plant home until the patch of ground and pulled all

715
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: the weeds and gave it its own piece of turf.

716
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: It might be like, no, bro, this is where I

717
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: want to be. I'm stuck on that rocky ass hillside

718
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: on the mountain because all the things that kill me

719
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: don't get me there. It'd be like if you find

720
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: some like holdout person living in a cave in the mountain.

721
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: People like to be in these caves way up in

722
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: the mountains. He might be like, no, man, I don't know.

723
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: This is where I gotta go, right, But he's hardier

724
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: to get away from trying to kill me. It's like,

725
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: this is where I gotta be. The takeaway from this

726
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: is that the shittier gardener you are, the better your fruits,

727
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: and you might be cranking out like really good, bad,

728
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: really well for my gardens. Not to complicate this whole discussion,

729
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: but I've eaten strawberries out of a big commercial, you know,

730
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: growing area, just like riding my bike through south of

731
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: Santa Cruz. They grow out of strawberries and just picking

732
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: those strawberries, they taste amazing and they're big. We had

733
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: other people, because we've been on the strawberry thing for

734
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: other people, no, right, but we had people explained that, Um,

735
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: we had a strawberry producer right in and explained that

736
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: people shop with their eyes, and um, when they're commercially

737
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: producing strawberries, it's like a thing that they know is

738
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: a value. Is that it that it can turn red

739
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: and stay not rotten for a long time. So it's

740
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: got good shelf capabilities and it has it has eye

741
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: popping appeal because people aren't biting it and then buying it.

742
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: They're like, oh my gosh, how big and red that

743
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: thing that looks like an amazing strawberry, and they just

744
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: don't really care. You could have some weird blemished the

745
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: ones on top of all moldy, but be like, these

746
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: are the best strawberries you'll ever taste. To be like,

747
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm about buying app crazy looking wardy, half green, Yeah, strawberry.

748
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: I want the big sons of guns. Okay, moving on,

749
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna come back, are we good? On? Bent for Knox?

750
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: We'll come back. Remind everybody about it. I mean, we're

751
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: gonna find opportunities wherever in like, as you notice. But

752
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: the next moment, yeah, for the moment, the next ding

753
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: I want to discuss Rick, why do you feel that

754
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: you're so bad at fishing. Well, I was. I was

755
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: just gonna say that there's no amount of podcasts that

756
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: I could listen to, uh too to fix what I

757
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: got going on what happens? I mean, I say that,

758
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: but you know, mostly all the hunting fishing is like

759
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: I understand in theory because you get to observe it

760
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: and observe it just for background, it's we're talking to

761
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: Rick Smith, he's one of our prize most cherished cameramen.

762
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot of work with us and now and

763
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: then opportunity strikes and there's a down minute and and

764
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: Rick gets to fish for a second, and just it's

765
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: such bad fishing. And I consider myself like have an

766
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: ability to watch somebody do something and like pick things up,

767
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: whether it be like athletic activities or whatnot. Like I'm

768
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: not an uncoordinated person. But the fishing thing, it's amazing

769
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: how bad I am. I'll say, well, I think you're

770
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: bad at fishing. I think that a big part of

771
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: being a good angler is you just know it's going

772
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 1: to turn around. Confident. I feel like I'm an optimist,

773
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: but I don't understand the whole uh because you fish

774
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: as though you can't picture getting one because I've never

775
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: really caught what does that look like? Kind of passivity?

776
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: The sort of passivity is sort of like, um, what's

777
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: it called when? Uh not ambivalence? No, but since I

778
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: can't a certain fatalism, I feel like this happens to

779
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: every angler. You show up at a spot and until

780
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: a person catches a fish, that spot is like unproven.

781
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: So but as soon as somebody catches a fish, everybody

782
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: was like, oh, there's fish here, and then there's like

783
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: different you fish different, like an increased like, oh I'm

784
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: not catching fish because I'm doing something wrong versus there's

785
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 1: no fish here. I kind of have the perspective always

786
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: there are no fish here, and they caught one, and

787
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: that means now they're especially gone. That's that's right. You're like, oh,

788
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: so there was like one year and now someone else

789
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: caught it. What's the point, how could there be another one?

790
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: It comes from I mean, to be an adult and

791
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: never have spent any time fishing. Is I don't know.

792
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm probably in the minority, like every even people that

793
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: don't hunt fish have fished. I I detected you too.

794
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: When you're fishing a lack of lustiness. Uh yeah, yeah.

795
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: My brother blames um like a lack of want. Yeah,

796
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: he blames blowing shots on elk and deer with his

797
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: bow to a lustiness, like he wants it so badly

798
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: that the desire actually prevents him from getting it, like

799
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: he's too If he could just somehow not want it

800
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: as bad, he would probably have better luck getting Since

801
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: I've never really caught a big fish, I mean, I

802
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: kind of a rock fish I think is my only

803
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: take from from Alaska. But since I didn't really catch anything,

804
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: I don't even know what it's it's all, it's it's imaginary.

805
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: Catching a big fish is like something other people do.

806
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: I haven't. I need to internalize it more that it's

807
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: possible for me to catch a big fish. What do

808
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: you think is his problem does he have? Yeah, it's

809
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: just lack of experience. This hasn't done it enough. Like

810
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: a hook is such a thing that you guys obviously

811
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: just understand that you have to explain, like, oh, if

812
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: you're fishing with sea hooks, what are those? Yeah, point proven,

813
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 1: but that you want to note, which that assumes that

814
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: that should be the first thing that I do is

815
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: is set the hook and I don't even. I mean, like,

816
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: I see you guys doing it, but I don't really

817
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: it's not a reaction of mine. Like fish bites and

818
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh fish yeah. Are you saying you don't

819
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: set the hook with a circle hook or you do?

820
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: So I can explain, I can explain it. I find

821
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: that when people, uh so listeners always to think all

822
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: the circle hook and circle hook uh think of a

823
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: J hook as looking like a candy cane right when

824
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: it's in something. I'm not telling you this, but it's

825
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: telling it's like a candy cane hook. So when it's

826
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: in something there there needs to be constant pressure to

827
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: have it stay where it is. I mean, there's a

828
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: barber and all that, but like generally speaking, you need

829
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: to keep attention on it um or else just like

830
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: falls out. Right. Imagine the old skit where someone's on

831
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: a theater stage and you take you take them off

832
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: with the hook, like if you just drop the hook

833
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: that the thing falls away and the guy stays on

834
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: the stage. So a circle hook has bent in such

835
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: a way and gets hooked in the fish's mouth in

836
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: such a way that it's not likely to fall away.

837
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: It takes a lot more to get it in there,

838
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: and it kind of has that generally has to be

839
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: that the fish sort of turns and the hook assles

840
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: into the corner of its mouth and gets in there.

841
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: But once it's in there, gravity um is much has

842
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: a much more difficult time freeing that hook up. Is

843
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: it like a C like a lower case aerial fontsy

844
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: You go, yeah, and you gotta jam that. That thing's

845
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: got to get jammed in there. But when it gets

846
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: jammed in there just right, it's likely to stay where

847
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: you could cut the line and he's still gonna have

848
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: that circle hook stuck in his mouth for some time.

849
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: Jam's almost the wrong word though, because jam is sort

850
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 1: of you're applying like a hook setting almost wedged, Yeah,

851
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: lodged maybe lodged, Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

852
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: It gets lodged in his mouth. And so static types

853
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: of fishing like longlining, trot lining, all these kind of

854
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: static fishing where there's no person there to like yank

855
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: the hook and reel, you use a circle hook. I

856
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: found introducing people to circle hook fishing who've been fishing

857
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: their whole lives, they're so it's so ingrained in them

858
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: to set the hook because recreational fishing is predominantly jayhooks.

859
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: It's so ingrained in them to set the hook that

860
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: you can't get them two use circle hooks properly because

861
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: they get it hit and they just every adam of

862
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: their body wants like yanked Rod. You gotta like Brodie's wife.

863
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: I had to yell at her so bad it almost

864
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: like destroyed my relationship with Brody because she wouldn't stop

865
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: doing that. Um Rick, on their hand, doesn't even have that.

866
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: There's a lack of which is where I'm confused on

867
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: the like setting the hook not setting the hook thing. Okay,

868
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: here's what he'll do. Let's say Rick bounces back like

869
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: you give me a jay hook. He does that for

870
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: a minute, but then he loses hope, and then he

871
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: wants to try circle hook, and he does that for me.

872
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: He loses back to jay hook. So or you're trying

873
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: to help me solve, you know, give me a fish.

874
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: If Rick's working a jayhook and I'm and he's jigging

875
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: a jig and a helmet hits it, now a lot

876
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: of people would be like very invigorated by this, and

877
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: they would know that they're gonna for a couple of

878
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: seconds at least. They will especially jig, They're gonna do

879
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: all manner of things to get because like a hell,

880
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: but often you don't get him till his third hit.

881
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: They just they're they're I don't know what they're doing

882
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: on there, but they're not getting it. And so you'll

883
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: see people do all these antics like he'll hit, you'll

884
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: miss him, they'll bang the bottom, they'll jiggle in his face,

885
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: they'll like do something. Rick just this sort of like

886
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: strange passivity to where all of a sudden he all

887
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: but leaves the rod and walks at the moment, at

888
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: the moment when anybody else on planet most doing everything

889
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: in their post. I'm trying to figure out did I

890
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: do something wrong that made the hook at the bottom.

891
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, maybe that's what it was. It

892
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: wasn't the fish, it was at the bottom. I could

893
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: be in a different boat. I can be a different

894
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: doing ten things, and I'll be like, Rick, you just

895
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: had a hit. Maybe he's too much in his head,

896
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: are you think are you thinking through it too much?

897
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: As you know, Steve assumes like and everybody else that

898
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: is generally out there have spent so much time doing

899
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: this that it's just natural that you just for me.

900
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: It's like a foreign completely foreign. There's no hook setting response,

901
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: there's zero, and that's that's what's funny about the circle hooks.

902
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: And I think miles you were driving at this. Usually

903
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 1: the less experience of an anger you are, the easier

904
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: time you have with a circle Hume totally. If you

905
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: chain them up where they can't get at the rod. No,

906
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: but this is in the end. How many how but

907
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: did we catch on a circle that week? We caught one?

908
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: But this is what I'm saying. So yeah, but we

909
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: were running a lot of jigs, I know. But still

910
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: we also but when nobody was fishing them, Steve did

911
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: a little fishing. Then I switched to shar Truce and

912
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: it got good. But it also got later today, it

913
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: got dusky. We moved to a new spots. It's not

914
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: my it's part of my five year plan get better fishing. Now.

915
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: I don't want Here's the thing is, I feel oftentimes

916
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: we have a lot of laughs at Rick's expense, and

917
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: I don't want it to be the case. So what

918
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: we're actually I just work up a logo for Rick.

919
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: We're trying to make up an acronym. So it's like

920
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: ours like ready to go international, international because you've been,

921
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: You've been more countries than anybody I hang out with.

922
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. Sea is like by seer Land and

923
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: then uh no coastal because you're ready to go. The

924
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: first guy in the water, colder the water, the cooker,

925
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: he's into it is a sweet logo with flames and stuff,

926
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: because I want to find a way to better celebrate

927
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: Rick and not just fis fishing is not part of it,

928
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: not just playing out his inadequacies. I am glad that

929
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: the camera guys, uh, I mean Seth. Seth is a

930
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: you know, he's a trained you know, harvest of angler

931
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: background in angler. Yeah, he did good. Chris horrible fisherman,

932
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: but he caught some fish. At least he's funny to watch.

933
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: It's funny to watch him. Watch about him. He's just animated.

934
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: He's trying to do everything. He just does it all wrong.

935
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: But a lot of big movements to watch the rick

936
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: and the fatalism and everything. There's not it's not that

937
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: there's no big movement. What's the sound effect for that?

938
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: What's the sound effect for watching? Oh, when you give

939
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: Rick a rod? What is the sounds it's just straight

940
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: or No, I don't. I feel like I'm an optimist,

941
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: but I just have a hard time imagining actually catching

942
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 1: a fish because I've never really done it. One time

943
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: I did, it wasn't it was so easy that it.

944
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: I went fishing for silver's in Alaska. No. No, it

945
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: was like just with my dad and brother and um

946
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: it was we limited out in like an hour. You

947
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: ripped lips. That is what you're trying to say. Yeah,

948
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: the guy got us. The guy got us on like

949
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: the spot and it wasn't a Yeah. Maybe you've got

950
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: to like envision, envisioned the success and envision, you know,

951
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: and then like manifest. I get your call with my dad. Yeah,

952
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: if you talk to Yanni's dad, Yanni's dad will tell

953
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: you how you need to visualize. Yanni's dad. Yeah, I

954
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: was not doing that. When he hunts or whatever he

955
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 1: he imagined so strongly did it actually ends up coming

956
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: from where he imagined it coming from. He conjures it

957
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: all right. He makes a mind movie so compelling to

958
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: reality that reality conforms to that mind movie. We need

959
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: to switch out the sea for coastal with conjuring, and

960
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: we wanted to have it be like day or night.

961
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: This is like his cameraman logo. So we're gonna be

962
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: like K and I g h D like night. But

963
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: then we'll have a prince. He says, like, but like

964
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: without a K. I can't wait for this logo. We

965
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: got a good logo. Guy we've been working with. I'm

966
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: gonna have them start working. Do you want flames on

967
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: our lightning bolts? Lightning bolts? Good, We're on scales and

968
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: lightning bolts. Um uh yanni? You want to take a

969
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: stab at deep drop fishing? Yeah? Wait, let's set this up.

970
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: Why were you guys in Alaska filming? We're in Alaska

971
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: filming an episode of Me Eater Um which will go on,

972
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: which will premiere on Netflix. And we were up there

973
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: exploring um halibut fishing, exploring deep drop fishing, exploring shrimping

974
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: and crabbing. Is it the first only fishing fishing only episode.

975
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: It's not. No. We did like a giant catfish extravaganza,

976
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: but we uh hunted squirrels. Oh really yeah? But we

977
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: dove for we dove. You're talking about the one with Kevin. Yeah,

978
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: but I thought we did something else. All catfish all

979
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: the time we jug fished, we did everything behold a

980
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: rod and then episode we jug fished, Maybe that would

981
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: be better at that multiple because then we did a

982
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: whole episode about we did a whole episode about flatheads.

983
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah with that one we squirrel hunted m with Parker

984
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: there have But yeah, we did one about jug fishing, jugging,

985
00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: limb lining, and trot lining. And in this we also

986
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:09,919
Speaker 1: dove for sea cucumbers, dove for scallops, shot of green laning,

987
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: snorkel snorkeled for those things. Dove like kinda like you

988
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: had to kind of go into water to get you

989
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: did more diving. Uh, But yeah, we're up filming a show,

990
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: and so we're talking about some of those adventures and

991
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: and during this now and then in fishing, there's a

992
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: lot of waiting and a camera guy can just sit

993
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: there and wait and wait and wait, or if you

994
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: hand him around, he can try to do a little angling,

995
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: which is Rick was killing his downtime um trying to angle.

996
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: And that's why and that's why we're getting so much

997
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: fun out of mostly provide entertainment dogging on Rick. But

998
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: do you want to discuss deep drop, which we have

999
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: never covered nope. We went to roughly feet of water. Um,

1000
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's kind of like a basin, right,

1001
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: would you call it a basin on the bottom of

1002
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: the ocean? And Um, these fish that we were after

1003
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: black cod also known as sable fish, also known as butterfish,

1004
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: which I don't think we talked about that when we're

1005
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: up there, but when I was doing some research, yeah,

1006
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: they call them butterfish. Have you eaten your flames yet? Oh?

1007
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: Just one. I shared it with some of my closest

1008
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: friends that knew would appreciate it, and they appreciated it. Yeah.

1009
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: I even had to preface it with I hope you

1010
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: efforts understand that I'm not serving this to like gloat.

1011
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm serving this because I appreciate you guys. I'm really

1012
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: sharing it. I figured that you will appreciate it. It's

1013
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: not like ha ha, look what I have that. It's

1014
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: like taste this. Yeah, that's an interesting distinction. You did

1015
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: tell him that, Yeah, you sat them down? Yeah, okay,

1016
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: but yeah I did a you know, since we're on

1017
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: the subject, I did a basically like a soy ginger poach.

1018
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: That's how you do U, is it? Yeah? And it

1019
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: was I mean, it's butterfish, man. It's it's amazing how

1020
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: it maintains its firmness even onto the fork. But then

1021
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: when it gets into your mouth, something happens and it

1022
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: melts like butter. Tony Colagrassi, who who uh turned me

1023
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: on to the prospect of catching my own black cod

1024
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: because he sends me black cod filets that he catches

1025
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: with his friends. Um, he's remarked to that that, Um

1026
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: it's hard. You can't overcook it. Not you can't, but

1027
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: it's not. You don't need to worry about overcooking it

1028
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: as much when the window of goodness is a long window.

1029
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: I was surprised because, I mean it was a low

1030
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: temp poach. You know, you only you simmer it on

1031
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: low for five minutes and then uh no, it might

1032
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: have been tent total. But even then, I thought, man,

1033
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: because this file at wasn't you know, it wasn't a pound,

1034
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: might have been a half pound. I had two kind

1035
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: of pieces to fit into a small pan, and ten

1036
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: minutes with the lid and simmering. That's a lot of

1037
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: cooking for a piece of fish. You know it's gonna

1038
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: be thoroughly cooked. But it wasn't overcooked A bit is good.

1039
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: It is very good. So we're in feet of water

1040
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: steve ft aluminium skiff. Very nice weather that day, Calm

1041
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: Seas almost could like water ski out there that day

1042
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: so we could zip out. We actually talked about water

1043
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: skiing that day. For sure. I think when you're out

1044
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: there and it's that glassy, you can't not mention it.

1045
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: But to get down there you have to use a

1046
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: an electric reel. Now you don't have to, but it

1047
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: would be uh quite a task to reel up a line,

1048
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: plus the scope that you have, so it's probably even

1049
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: more out there. But yeah, three pounds of weight um

1050
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: two hooks above it was just circles, cut bait um,

1051
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: pretty stout rod. It's got to hold up three pounds

1052
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: of weight and you drop her down there. It probably

1053
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: takes what ten minutes? Yeah close, I was to say,

1054
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: so I wanted time. I never got around the time.

1055
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: And maybe it takes maybe eighteen minutes to hit the bottom,

1056
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: to hit the bottom long enough where you put in

1057
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: the rod holder because you get sick of waiting for

1058
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: it to hit the bottom and uh and you gotta

1059
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: you gotta chase it with the boat. Yeah, talk about

1060
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: that Yeah, I guess you just gotta figure out what

1061
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: the wind slash currents doing and just trying to stay

1062
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: and just basically I think all we were doing is

1063
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: trying to keep a line vertical right going out, drive

1064
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: the boat whatever direction the line is going. Yeah, so

1065
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: you can so you can stay over the top of it,

1066
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: which you think it's moving more or the boats moving

1067
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: and you're just having to correct the boat to stay

1068
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: on top of the weight. I think that in those

1069
01:04:55,720 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: depths the wind over rides the current because the current

1070
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: isn't being you know how like when you get to

1071
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: the top of a mountain the wind is really strong.

1072
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: It's because you're taking a massive moving air but restricting

1073
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: the amount of space that air has to pass through.

1074
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: So you have like this whatever thousands of you know,

1075
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: thousands of vertical fee to air. But then all of

1076
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,959
Speaker 1: a sudden it's you're cramming it into a smaller gap

1077
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: on top. So when you're out in that huge, deep stuff,

1078
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: the currents aren't nearly as strong, and so where you

1079
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: might be in an area where you might have a breeze,

1080
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: it's not in alignment with the current, but the current

1081
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: might override there. I think that even a slight breeze

1082
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: is going to push you in a way that the

1083
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: current isn't going to push you. So you let it

1084
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: go to the bottom. And this is what I found

1085
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: the most interesting. It took a while to figure out.

1086
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: It took us, I don't know, a couple couple of

1087
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: drops at least, and and maybe twenty minutes of drifting along,

1088
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: because once you get down there, you feel the bottom

1089
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: and then it's like you felt the bottom with the weight,

1090
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: But then the weight keeps dragging your rod tip down

1091
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: and if it just it just didn't compute, because you're wondering, like, well,

1092
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: maybe that's because it's stuck on the bottom, and then

1093
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: the boat's moving and so there's just gonna be no slack.

1094
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: The rod tip keeps going down. But after doing this

1095
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: sort of slow jig up and down, what we realize

1096
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: is that the bottom was not firm, but it was

1097
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: more of this primorim I like to call it. There

1098
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: you go primorial muck. And I would guess that it's

1099
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: anywhere from six to eight ft deep. Yeah, the muck

1100
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,919
Speaker 1: at the bottom fet and it might be you feel

1101
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: it hit, but it doesn't stop. It might be twenty deep,

1102
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: but you never let it go down that deep. I

1103
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: don't know how long the munk goes, so you kind

1104
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: of have to jig slowly pull it up. You feel

1105
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: it free from the muck, and then when you rop

1106
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: it you kind of again feel it, but it hits

1107
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: from where your rock tips started and then to where

1108
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: the lead hits the bottom again, and you think your

1109
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: raight tip would stop. It's like the whole distance of

1110
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: your jigging motions that make sense like um, So then

1111
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: again it gets sucked down into the muck. So you

1112
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: left to try to cover it, to try to hover

1113
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: it on the bottom. Did you guys get better at

1114
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: that when you guys went back and we'll just let

1115
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 1: it sit there. I got better to covering it. Yeah.

1116
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 1: Not letting it sing, no, because the sinker would drag

1117
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: the circle hooks and bait down into the muck if

1118
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: you just let it sit. So you kind of like

1119
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: lifted out it hits the muck, take the tension out

1120
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: and see if you got a hit. Lift it floated,

1121
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: Lift it floating, lift the floating. It's you never rest

1122
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: but that that we got that thing down there, and

1123
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: it wasn't I couldn't believe. Yeah, five minutes. I almost

1124
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 1: like I would say, like about ship, I mean, I

1125
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: probably about shat my pants out of just being astounded

1126
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: after all the reading and talking and thinking and figuring

1127
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: and gear rigging, and to go out in that depth

1128
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: of water. And yeah, I filmed you do a lot

1129
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: of different things and be pretty happy about it. But

1130
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: I've never seen you that happy. When you brought up

1131
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: that fish, I was extremely excited. That's what I'm saying.

1132
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: I have technical questions on this. I'm sorry, like I'm

1133
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 1: just curious. From an angling standpod, So you're talking about

1134
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: like a dropshot style rig with a three pound weight

1135
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 1: on the bottom. Yeah, Well, I be more like, uh

1136
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 1: um no, because the you got little uh you got

1137
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 1: little leaders coming come off. Okay, So you got a

1138
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 1: mainline and then they're quite a bit their space there,

1139
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: their space. The spacing is very exact aggerated, So from

1140
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: the sinker to the bottom circle it's probably thirty six

1141
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: inches and then there's thirty six inches more to the

1142
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: next dropper. And the droppers are maybe eight inches long.

1143
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: They have a circle hook on them and then all

1144
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: this and a lot of the droppers are coated and

1145
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:20,719
Speaker 1: glow in the dark tubing. There's a lot of glow

1146
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 1: in the dark this and that so that they can

1147
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: And there's also a line one of those little lights

1148
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: that light that water activates a little light like a

1149
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: high pressure light. One of those little lights is rigged

1150
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: up at the top connection just to have something down

1151
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: there going click with light. And with a three pound weight,

1152
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: and I'm assuming you're running mono eighty pound braid. Okay braid,

1153
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: so you gotta you don't have to do this way

1154
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: that would work. There would be too much stretching, you'd

1155
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,560
Speaker 1: never know when you hit the bottom. And so but

1156
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: you can still with a three pound weight you can

1157
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:58,560
Speaker 1: feel the take. Yes, really absolutely far more than I

1158
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: thought you'd be able to. Yeah, there's no doubt. That's

1159
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: what it feels like. When we did the swordfish fishing

1160
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: in this roughly the same depth. Um, they're those guys

1161
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: have the rod locked off and they're just watching the

1162
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: rod tip. They're not feeling it because they're not hitting

1163
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 1: the bottom. They're floating it like and they see a

1164
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: tick tick tick. And I think we were using five

1165
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: pounds of wait, weren't we there? We had five pounds. Yeah,

1166
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: so whatever they see in that rod tip, you know,

1167
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: but with this with three pounds, yeah, you can very

1168
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 1: much tell that there was a fish on. Did you

1169
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: guys ever get a double? No? And we tried leaving

1170
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 1: them getting a hit, letting it sit. Um. No, never

1171
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: got a double, but we got it pretty dialed. We

1172
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 1: got a pretty doubt. We went out one day and

1173
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: and and didn't do it long and had four And

1174
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: I feel like we could have We had two anglers

1175
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 1: and got four, And I feel like me and fits

1176
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:57,560
Speaker 1: were out there and we could have stuck around and

1177
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: got eight, which would have been allowed to get that day.

1178
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: It's funniest thing in the world. I told my wife

1179
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: out doing it, completely unimpressed. She so he just doesn't.

1180
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: It feels like cheating because of what because because it

1181
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 1: just reels itself up. But the whole the point of

1182
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: fishing isn't the reeling in part. And I told you

1183
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: this to No, it's your exerting effort or something. E

1184
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 1: Let's not told her this, And I'm gonna tell you

1185
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: it now. If I took all the things that it

1186
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,719
Speaker 1: takes too deep drop up a black cod and threw

1187
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 1: all in a pile on the floor and gave you

1188
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: a boat and said, go get me a black cod.

1189
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: Figure it out. Uh or I took all of the

1190
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: things it takes to catch a large mouth bass and

1191
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: threw it on the floor and put you at a lake.

1192
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: What do you think you're gonna do? Quicker? M hmm.

1193
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: I'll tell you you are never you are never, ever,

1194
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: ever ever, I'm gonna catch the black hodon. I ran

1195
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: into this with the time I got introduced deep drop

1196
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: fishing was when we went out sword fishing. We're with

1197
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: these dudes, and we're with this guy. He's a commercial

1198
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: sword fisherman. He lives south of the line where you

1199
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: can where you can do plagic longlining, so no long

1200
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 1: lining is allowed. You can only hand line sword fish.

1201
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: Where where's the line, like somewhere around the Florida border.

1202
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: I don't exactly it's in that. I don't exactly know

1203
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: where to Joe, Do you know exactly where that line is?

1204
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,879
Speaker 1: There's some lines in federal waters whatever. You can't longline,

1205
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 1: so it's um and you can't even rod reel for commercial.

1206
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: It's hand lining. And they wait. Swordfish at night come

1207
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: up shallow. So they go out and set these buoys

1208
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: and they got these these hundred foot lines on these booties,

1209
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: and there's a eight and you're out there and you

1210
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:02,679
Speaker 1: got a light on the buoy and you're actually waiting

1211
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: for the buoy to start bobbing, and you run over

1212
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: in hand line of sword fishing at night or in

1213
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: the daytime, they spiral straight down two canyon mouths that

1214
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: aret underwater the same way points where he's catching him

1215
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 1: at night. He fishes that same way point, but he's

1216
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: catching him a hundred feet from the surface at night,

1217
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: and he's fishing that same way point, but catching fish

1218
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: one thousand, three hundred feet down in the daytime. Now

1219
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 1: he's black cow. They don't do I don't think that

1220
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 1: they ever experienced anything. They just stay on the bottom.

1221
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 1: So we go out twenty miles and the ocean is

1222
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 1: three dimensional. I don't need to explain. And he's like,

1223
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna catch a swordfish twenty miles out feet of water,

1224
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you are not. And does all this,

1225
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 1: this and that and the other thing in the right

1226
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: And it gets finally gets that thing owner and tap tap,

1227
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: and he throws the switch and here comes a seventy

1228
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: pound swordfish. I'm thinking, in my head, you will never.

1229
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: I don't care how long you live, you will never

1230
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: do that again. Yanni's puking out the other side of

1231
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: the boat the whole time. You don't even know what's

1232
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 1: going on. He's so sick. We're in a twenty four

1233
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 1: ft boat and he's so sick. We didn't know he

1234
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: didn't know he had one on. That's not true. I

1235
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 1: was trying to puke. I couldn't get it out. So

1236
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 1: he then does his whole rigmarole over again. Bam, second

1237
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:39,600
Speaker 1: sword fish. In that moment, I was like, this is

1238
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 1: the pinnacle. This is the pinnacle of angling. Like in

1239
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: terms of what I've often said about houndsman, if you're

1240
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 1: gonna take the knowledge required to do something and put

1241
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 1: it into a measurable unit, like how we measure digital

1242
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 1: information and bits of material. If you're gonna take know

1243
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: how two uh train a hound and then catch a

1244
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: mountain lion in the absence of snow, and then you're

1245
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: gonna measure the information that had to be in that

1246
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 1: person's head, it would be vastly, like exponentially greater than

1247
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: the bits of information that it takes me to sit

1248
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: on the edge of a alfalfa field and shoot a

1249
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: deer with my rifle. Not even comparable amounts of information,

1250
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: the information that that the bits of information that are

1251
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,560
Speaker 1: in that guy's head to go out with that equipment

1252
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: and that ocean and pull up two swordfish. It's like,

1253
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: it's not even the same ballpark. Is what it takes

1254
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 1: to go into a lake and catch up and catch

1255
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 1: a blue gill off my mom's dot. It's not the

1256
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 1: same thing. So for my wife to be like, I

1257
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: don't really get it's not fair. It's like, what are

1258
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: you talking about. Well, maybe Joe and Miles can do

1259
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 1: a little report on the last time I deep dropped swordfish.

1260
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: We were with the captain in Louisiana and he he

1261
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: felt that swordfish were such majestic creatures that it was

1262
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: disrespectful to pitch yourself against him with an electric reel.

1263
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: And we fished those depths and hand crack artisanal. It

1264
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 1: was miserable, man, but we did with a bespoke real

1265
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 1: I here's my other thing about I like your way

1266
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: for the record, Like, I like the other thing about

1267
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: deep dropping is this is okay, it's not fishing. And

1268
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: I told this to Janni. I'm like, NI says, it

1269
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 1: is fishing. But I'm like, okay, let's say it's not fishing.

1270
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: I don't care what it is call itself. That's why

1271
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 1: I try to say deep dropping, because like it's it's

1272
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 1: it's not fishing, it's something else. Sure, whatever it is

1273
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 1: is fascinating, and whatever it is I can see is

1274
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 1: there is a lot of pun intended. There is a

1275
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:18,759
Speaker 1: lot of depth. There is an enormous amount of depth

1276
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 1: to it where I could picture a world and I

1277
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: could picture myself becoming very, very obsessed with it. I

1278
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: take no argument with the level of depth of this

1279
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 1: and all the things that you just show just mean

1280
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: deep water, I don't. I mean more in the metaphorical sense. Yeah, Like,

1281
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 1: and your your analogy of dropping all the gear and

1282
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: saying like catch this or cats that, Like, it makes

1283
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: your point clearly. But the argument that it is it

1284
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: represents the pinnacle of angling assumes that the pinnacle of

1285
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: angling is based on what is the most technically difficult

1286
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,560
Speaker 1: way of doing it, and that, to me, is not

1287
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 1: how I personally define the pinnacle of angling. Fair, I

1288
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 1: was totally fair. I think that there's more of an aesthetic,

1289
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: like felt experience to it, and I don't think that

1290
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: anyone can define the particle of angling for anybody else

1291
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 1: for the record. But that's a great point, man, I

1292
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 1: just don't That's not how I would say. Like, Man,

1293
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 1: that's the thing I aspire to be as an angler

1294
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 1: is the guy who like has the technical details down

1295
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: to the most fine minutia to catch the fish. I get.

1296
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: I get that it's hard. It's just not not how

1297
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: we go about it. When we were talking what I

1298
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 1: was with my brother Danny. When I was with my

1299
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 1: brother Danny and my wife and we were deep dropping

1300
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 1: and doing well, and my wife was um saying that

1301
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 1: it just seemed like somehow like not fishing like. And

1302
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 1: I'll point out that we only have one deep drop

1303
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 1: rig and me and Danny were kind of monopolizing the

1304
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 1: deep drop so so she wasn't. She was a year

1305
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: to go and do all the other stuff that you

1306
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: do where you get to like do it. So uh.

1307
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 1: In this conversation we're talking about like, well what does

1308
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 1: it mean? And I was saying, part of the fund

1309
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 1: for me is trying to visualize what these things are doing.

1310
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 1: This is it's another planet, man, at that depth, it's

1311
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 1: another planet. It's dark, right, It's like I can't picture

1312
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: what's going on down there when they come up there

1313
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: like an ice cube. How cold they are. It's so

1314
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: damn cold down there. That fish feels like an ice cube.

1315
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: So anyways, I was getting off on that, and Danny

1316
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 1: was saying, Okay, well, let's let's extend this logic to

1317
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 1: its extreme. He's like for me to see a fish

1318
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 1: cruising through shallow water and to pick the fish, and

1319
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 1: I can see it's world, I can see its moods.

1320
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 1: I can watch it respond to my cast like that's

1321
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: something how like? So getting off on how you don't

1322
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: know what they're doing is great, but it's also nice

1323
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 1: to get off on knowing what they're doing, which is fair.

1324
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 1: And when I say the aesthetic experience like that, to

1325
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 1: me personally, is that pinnacle when you you have to

1326
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: see the visual cues of what the fish is doing,

1327
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 1: read it's behavior, read all the different things around you

1328
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 1: make your decisions based on that in the moment for

1329
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: how you were going to plot your attempt to fool

1330
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: that fish and landed. Those are the pinnacle moments for me.

1331
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: It's it's definitely site fishing ice ice fish with a

1332
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: painter named Ben and I took him. He was a

1333
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: he was a fly fisherman, like fish shop, but I

1334
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: introduced him to ice fishing, and he was saying how

1335
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 1: he couldn't ice fish without imagining the hole in the

1336
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: ice as a birth canal, because he was like, I'm

1337
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: so removed from the fish by like a physical, impenetrable

1338
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: barrier that when we catch one, I feel as though

1339
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: it's passing through some sort of birth canal from one

1340
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: world into another. And that's how I felt about these

1341
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:52,440
Speaker 1: black hat coming up. It was like they were being delivered.

1342
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,719
Speaker 1: It was like they were being like imagine a hand

1343
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: from the past, sort of like penetrating the presence and

1344
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 1: ropping something. It was like they're being like birth from

1345
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 1: one reality to another, like one dimension that there's this

1346
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 1: orifice through which things pass one dimension to another, one

1347
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 1: being the the abyss and the other be in my hand,

1348
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: total darkness into sunlight. Yeah, that fish, when he's on

1349
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 1: his way up, he's gotta be like this cannot be good,

1350
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 1: No Joe for you. What's what's the pinnacle of fishing? Um?

1351
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 1: I side more with Miles on this, and I'll say though,

1352
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: like deep dropping, it's one of those methods sort of

1353
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 1: like wire line trolling. I have the utmost respect for

1354
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 1: the guys who are very good at it. A lot

1355
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 1: of people think that that's kind of easy stuff like

1356
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 1: go out there, drop down this heavy weight, catch your fish,

1357
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 1: go pull your wire line, you catch your stripers. There's

1358
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 1: a lot of art to both of those and I

1359
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:59,639
Speaker 1: appreciate them very much. But I would rather throw poppers

1360
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 1: at alreny pound black fin tuna in Louisiana than deep

1361
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 1: drop sword fish just because same thing. It's just it's

1362
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 1: the visuals. For me, it's the interaction like that. That

1363
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 1: interaction is part of what's so cool about fishing and hunting.

1364
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 1: But fishing was what we're talking about, like what is

1365
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: that fish doing? What am I doing? And how where

1366
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 1: do those two things meet at the end of the line,

1367
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 1: my actions and their actions. That's white like watching rick

1368
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 1: fish more than deep dropping. Oh I'm happy to keep

1369
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: doing it. Yeah, yeah, what's your take on it? Though?

1370
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 1: After having done it? You were you were you were

1371
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 1: like a deep drop enthusiast. Last I talked to you,

1372
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:45,679
Speaker 1: I was yeah, yeah, Um, it was tough just having

1373
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 1: the one rig, you know, like you're saying, you know,

1374
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:50,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot of sharing a lot of Sharon going on.

1375
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 1: You definitely need to invest in another rod and reel

1376
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 1: get after most of them. But yeah, no, it's like anything.

1377
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 1: I like figuring it out, you know. And I told

1378
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 1: you I was talking with Well, I was talking with

1379
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 1: his brother. But Jennifer's got cousins there in North Carolina,

1380
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 1: and one of them deep drops for swordfish. And I

1381
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: was talking to his brother and I was explaining to

1382
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 1: him about the mock and all that, and he was saying, oh,

1383
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 1: that the muck is the same when we deep drop

1384
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 1: for swordfish. He says, you should call Rob and talk

1385
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: to him. He'll give you some good tips on how

1386
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:23,560
Speaker 1: to work at the top of the mud and be

1387
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 1: right where you need to be. What I'm in visualizing

1388
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 1: is I might patent a sinker that has like uh

1389
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: some that steals some attributes from the Mars were over.

1390
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: It's a streamline three pound sinker that passes through the water,

1391
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:45,639
Speaker 1: but when it gets near the bottom, it deploys a little. Yeah,

1392
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 1: and then it had and it lands like a Martian rover.

1393
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 1: It's got like a back burner. That's the rig. I

1394
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:00,640
Speaker 1: got a feeling that with those circle hooks you can

1395
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,559
Speaker 1: probably just leave it in the rod holder once you've

1396
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: got your depth and wait, five ten minutes will be

1397
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 1: in the primordial monk. Well no, not if you said

1398
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 1: it to not get into them, to not let it

1399
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 1: go into the monk unless you think that the muck

1400
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 1: is the depth is changing. I have it on good

1401
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 1: authority that you have to be dragging bottom by people

1402
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 1: who would know. Now I know, so you would make

1403
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,679
Speaker 1: it so that the weight is like in the mock,

1404
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: dragging it and you have your hooks just above it.

1405
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: But did You're not so worried about feeling the fish

1406
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 1: because I think that those fish will just get on

1407
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:41,639
Speaker 1: hook themselves and then probably stay on. That's I feel

1408
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: we should take this offline. I get what you're saying,

1409
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: but I think that there's I'm trying to be mindful

1410
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 1: of the limits of the audience. I get what you're saying,

1411
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 1: but I feel like we should discuss it later, just

1412
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 1: you know for sure for sure. Well, I need to

1413
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 1: talk to my wife's cousin too, get some thoughts on that. UM.

1414
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 1: I used to think of helmet fishing is being very impersonal,

1415
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 1: but now I feel like I'm in direct communication with

1416
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 1: those They're only three feet down. It's like they were

1417
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 1: like neighbors. I had a haliban experience. I share my story. No,

1418
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 1: I definitely need to share this story. Thought we were

1419
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 1: going to kick it off on this one. I wish

1420
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 1: that was on camera. Well, I'll tell you something. So, uh,

1421
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: we fish and halbit little boats. Um, there's like certain

1422
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,680
Speaker 1: it's hard to bring a good sized halbitt into a

1423
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 1: little teeny boat because everything is there's too much junk

1424
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 1: in there. Anyways, Its like the average size or what's

1425
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 1: a good size? At what point does a halbit become

1426
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 1: annoying in a boat? Yea an eighteen foot boat? We're

1427
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,759
Speaker 1: talking like a like what what I grew up calling rowboats?

1428
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 1: Just like a like we use lund skiffs, very seaworthy,

1429
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 1: rock solid but just no frills, bench seats, open bow,

1430
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 1: aluminum rowboat and as we fish out of because we

1431
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 1: need to be able to drag him up on the

1432
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 1: beach when we leave. So it's gotta be big enough

1433
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 1: for a couple of guys can carry it. That's as

1434
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 1: big as a boat what we can have, Um, and

1435
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 1: when you bring it, like to bring a fifty pound

1436
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 1: halibit into that boat? Is if he's frisky um. It's

1437
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:26,639
Speaker 1: just a lot people on big help like people the gym,

1438
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 1: and break their legs, break their arms, break rods. They

1439
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 1: go bonkers. So the thing we do to prevent him

1440
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 1: from going bonkers is at us like smaller ones. You

1441
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:38,719
Speaker 1: gaff him and just drag him in a little bit bigger.

1442
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 1: You want to buy some time. And so we have

1443
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 1: these harpoon shafts and have a detachable head on it

1444
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: that's hooked to a cable leader that's hooked to a

1445
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 1: rope that's hooked to a booty, And when the fish

1446
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 1: comes up, you just jab it through the head and

1447
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 1: this detachable head comes off. It's like a toggle, and

1448
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: then throw the booty over the side of the out

1449
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 1: and then the fishes on the line. Oftentimes this process

1450
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 1: the fish comes unhooked from a jhook. But all of

1451
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 1: a sudden, now your fishes harpooned and on a buoy,

1452
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 1: and that buys you all the time in the world.

1453
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 1: You can then do whatever you need to do. This

1454
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:20,680
Speaker 1: booty is probably size of the volleyball the buoy. To

1455
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 1: blame the booty that I'm telling a story about, it's

1456
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 1: about size. It's probably a little smaller in the basketball

1457
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 1: easily easily fits into like easily fits into a five

1458
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 1: gallon bucket. You probably fit two them in a five

1459
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 1: gallon bucket. Inflatable buoy and the inflatable that's only like

1460
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 1: two p s I or something. I mean, it's like

1461
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 1: no real air pressure in him. Uh. And then what

1462
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 1: you do is you can grab the rope and the

1463
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 1: buoye's on it and you can pull the fish up.

1464
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 1: You can bleed it. You can just hang it there,

1465
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 1: wait until it stops thrashing it's bled. If it's like

1466
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 1: the next stage up, you can kind of put a

1467
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 1: rope around its tail. You can even tie its tail

1468
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 1: so he's bent into a c and tie them up

1469
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 1: like that and then bring him up in the boat

1470
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 1: so he's not going bonkers. Anyhow, We're out fishing and

1471
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 1: I and we're fishing to spot. The weather is too

1472
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 1: bad to go to the good spots. We have to

1473
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 1: go to the shitty spots. And we're fishing the shitty

1474
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: spot and it's shitty, and I'm like, let's go to

1475
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 1: another shitty spot in the middle, go to the other

1476
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 1: shitty spot. And I dropped down bam giant like a

1477
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 1: big Halibit and eventually get out of the boat, and

1478
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 1: we have the conversation we always have, which is like,

1479
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to kill the big, huge halibit because

1480
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: they're females, like once they gonna do certain size. Just

1481
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 1: know they're an egg bearing female. They're like a reproductively

1482
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 1: viable female. And we know that this. We have this

1483
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 1: conversation like, yeah, but there's commercial longliners that work these

1484
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 1: same waters, like people are hauling out metric tons of right,

1485
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 1: and all the people in the world, and everyone wants

1486
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 1: to bring some HElib at home, and okay, let's kill it.

1487
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 1: This is every time him. The conversation goes the same way.

1488
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 1: Every time. We have this verbal acknowledgement that there's an

1489
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:08,520
Speaker 1: argentry made for not doing it, and then we justify

1490
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: it with, well, why would we do something about global warming?

1491
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:18,680
Speaker 1: China is not right. We have that conversation, so we

1492
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 1: decided to kill the fish. So it comes up and

1493
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 1: it's just head, I mean, like never ending head. It's

1494
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: just all head, like as deep down as you can

1495
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:32,679
Speaker 1: see it still it's head. And fits takes the harpoon

1496
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 1: and sticks it in the head and it sounds and

1497
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: the hook pops out the fish sounds. The booty goes

1498
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 1: overboard like I've never seen a booey, like if you

1499
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 1: got a hit in the head, but this boody has

1500
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 1: been dead way. This booy goes overboard as the rope

1501
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 1: runs out and the boy gone from the water surface,

1502
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 1: and I just gotta will sink and feeling and we're like,

1503
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: well it'll pop up. It'll have to pop up, you know,

1504
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 1: because actually they vanished now and then they come up

1505
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 1: like ten seconds later. It three days later, it hadn't

1506
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 1: popped up. Gone. He's you know they say hook line

1507
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 1: and sinker, harpoon, had rope and booie. He sucked it down. Sorry,

1508
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 1: she you know what. My buddy fits was even making

1509
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 1: a point to say she and her just to rub

1510
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 1: it in. She sucked it down. And we sat there

1511
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 1: for an hour with waiting. Went to get binoculars because

1512
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 1: we went that far from our shack, went to get binoculars,

1513
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:45,720
Speaker 1: come back out, spend a couple more hours, then we

1514
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 1: started doing concentric circles. The next morning we're right back

1515
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 1: out there, never to be seen again. How how much

1516
01:30:55,880 --> 01:31:00,599
Speaker 1: do you think that fish wade? Maybe? How big can

1517
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 1: hallib it get? And the state records like five forty

1518
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 1: or four ninety it was. I know they get over

1519
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 1: five pounds. I don't know the state the state records

1520
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 1: and nothing like that. And how old is a hell

1521
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:16,680
Speaker 1: of it to weigh that much? You have to look

1522
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:18,680
Speaker 1: that up. Yeah, I don't know their growth rates. The

1523
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 1: females get big. You really shouldn't be doing this to

1524
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:23,599
Speaker 1: Hall of It, but we did it. Did you talk

1525
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 1: to Ron Layton about the whole experience? No? No, but

1526
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 1: I did call a couple of people. But the best

1527
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 1: theory is Danny's theory. One guy called it a halibut cat,

1528
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 1: and he said it'll pop up, like he said, I mean,

1529
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:40,639
Speaker 1: I've never heard of one being gone more in ten minutes.

1530
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 1: But just hang tight, I said, when it pops up

1531
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 1: as a pop up far away, he goes, I've always

1532
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 1: been shocked how close by it popped up, because I

1533
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 1: think they go straight down then the booty flows them

1534
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:50,600
Speaker 1: straight back up. So he said, just hanging tight. I'm like,

1535
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 1: why aren't you been sitting here an hour? And he's like,

1536
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 1: I keep looking. Danny's theory is this, and this is

1537
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:59,679
Speaker 1: the one I think is correct. I think it sucked

1538
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:01,719
Speaker 1: it down down in the air pressure collapse the booty,

1539
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 1: the water pressure collapse, the booby just so now it's

1540
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 1: just living with a booy. I don't think it's dead

1541
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 1: with a booby. The other theory is that it got

1542
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 1: hung up on something. I don't think it got hung

1543
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 1: up on something, and I think it went down the

1544
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:18,639
Speaker 1: booty collapse. I think it sucked it down a hundred

1545
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:26,599
Speaker 1: feet down or whatever. The booty burst collapsed, it would

1546
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 1: be deflated. But would you pull a rock fish up

1547
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 1: what's its swim bladder? Do? Yeah? Coming out the goals

1548
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:43,760
Speaker 1: gets big going down the it just would have He

1549
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:45,960
Speaker 1: thinks it just deflated it. Maybe even pop the cork

1550
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:48,759
Speaker 1: on the buoy because it's an inflatable booth a threaded

1551
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:51,679
Speaker 1: cork in it. And now that fish just died a slow,

1552
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 1: painful death at the bottom of the ocean, dragging around

1553
01:32:54,920 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 1: my deflated buoy. We'll continue to talk about letting those

1554
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:03,680
Speaker 1: big ones live, and I might be more inclined. Now.

1555
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 1: I just have a question though, about like really really depressing. Yeah,

1556
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 1: that that was that was kind of a downer. We

1557
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:15,360
Speaker 1: go ahead with your question. No, just you know, back

1558
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 1: to uh, if a lot of other people do it? Whatever,

1559
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:23,640
Speaker 1: it is that makes it okay? Yeah, because it's like

1560
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 1: I mean, if you bring something out to its logical argument,

1561
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,640
Speaker 1: you look at the end result of everyone doing it

1562
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 1: this way or everyone doing it doing X the the

1563
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 1: other way. I just well, let me tell you, let

1564
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 1: me put it this way. So we get a lot

1565
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 1: of questions about hunting ethics and fishing ethics and all this, right,

1566
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 1: and a point I've settled out and I think I

1567
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 1: think I say to people often it's like a great

1568
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 1: start with ethics, a great start, and maybe it is

1569
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 1: the end of your journey. Just do what's legal. Don't

1570
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 1: the law, Like, learn the law and stick to it.

1571
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 1: How does is not just state regulated, it's federally regulated

1572
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:14,720
Speaker 1: because they move their migratory so we like share management

1573
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 1: authority with Canada. We have federal and state regulations on halibu.

1574
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 1: Those halibus say that as a non resid or non

1575
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:28,640
Speaker 1: resident or resident recreational angler, you're allowed to halibate of

1576
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 1: any size every day. Juxtaposed that with this year, officially

1577
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:36,560
Speaker 1: it went from one yellow I rock fisher year to

1578
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 1: zero yellow I rock fisher year. You can have to

1579
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:45,600
Speaker 1: LINKD one in the inch bracket, one in the overt

1580
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: in bracket annual limit black cod eight per year, four

1581
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:54,680
Speaker 1: per day. Right, they're not shy about telling you not

1582
01:34:54,840 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 1: to do ship. They're not shy about it. They're not like,

1583
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 1: we really shouldn't, but every we'll be disappointed. They're very

1584
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 1: king Salmon. They will at the drop of a hat

1585
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:10,800
Speaker 1: say sorry, boys, even you people that have booked to

1586
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 1: King Salmon trip, Sorry, King Salmon season ends tonight. Tough ship.

1587
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:23,559
Speaker 1: So you're allowed to held it per day, any size,

1588
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 1: any size, any sex. Yes, Okay. So if you look

1589
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:33,639
Speaker 1: at the management authority and you say, man, these guys

1590
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 1: don't mess around. They're willing to do some insane ship

1591
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 1: like closed seasons, unexpectedly overnight. Uh, who do I? Who

1592
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 1: do I go? Where do I pick up my cues from?

1593
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 1: But then you're conflicted because these large females always have

1594
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:57,719
Speaker 1: eggs in them, always have eggs in them, are important

1595
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:02,759
Speaker 1: for the the or so I've been told, charter fisherman,

1596
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 1: if you're fishing with a guide, if you're a recreational

1597
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 1: fisherman fishing with a guide, you can't keep those big

1598
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:11,799
Speaker 1: ones because they want to maintain the just reducing reducing

1599
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 1: a stress around the fish, but commercially you can't got

1600
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 1: it like longliners can. If you talk to the captains

1601
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 1: out there, they'll tell you that exactly the same amount

1602
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 1: of big old females are getting killed and brought in.

1603
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 1: It just is they're just letting other groups do it.

1604
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 1: So it's pretty sticky subject up there. Yeah. And the

1605
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:35,560
Speaker 1: other thing is you can go catch small ones and

1606
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 1: then people will be pissed because you're not letting them

1607
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 1: get big. It's a real minefield. I mean ethics, you know,

1608
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 1: it's a whole field of study for reason. All right,

1609
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 1: So that happened. What else? Give me your give me?

1610
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 1: Like a me losing his fish isn't on the show.

1611
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 1: This is after we stopped filming and I was just

1612
01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 1: hanging around my family. But the deep drop in his

1613
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:02,560
Speaker 1: on the show, so stay tuned. And then Yanni was

1614
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:05,599
Speaker 1: our little startling adventure is going to be on the show.

1615
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:09,520
Speaker 1: That's a lot of fun. Oh, it's so fun, very beautiful,

1616
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:13,559
Speaker 1: very educational. It falls into my little bucket of doing

1617
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 1: stuff that makes me a little nervous, a little dancing

1618
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 1: at weddings, yeah for sure. Yeah, except we didn't do

1619
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 1: any shots before we jumped into that fifty degree water,

1620
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 1: which wasn't bad and just becoming all that. The training

1621
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:31,480
Speaker 1: that we did with Greg and Alex last year in California,

1622
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,320
Speaker 1: even though it was a whole year later, it really

1623
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:36,679
Speaker 1: paid off. I was so much more comfortable just getting

1624
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 1: in there. It was cold, but you warm up in

1625
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:40,640
Speaker 1: like five minutes when that layer of water warms up

1626
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:43,880
Speaker 1: in your suit, and uh, I didn't quite feel like

1627
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 1: Darth Vader, you know, the whole time we were in

1628
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:48,720
Speaker 1: the water whatever, it was a couple of hours. Um,

1629
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 1: it's beautiful down there. And it just all came back,

1630
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, the whole friends old technique of popping my ears.

1631
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:57,720
Speaker 1: Like the first time I got down there and I

1632
01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:59,000
Speaker 1: felt it, I was like, oh, yeah, I remember to

1633
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 1: do this, and then my ears popped, and yeah. I

1634
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:03,679
Speaker 1: just went about our business. I didn't find any scalps,

1635
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:06,040
Speaker 1: which was a bummer, but it's one of those things

1636
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna have to look for. It's like Morrel's,

1637
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:13,120
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, it's a learned thing. I think. It's

1638
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 1: like I remember being shipped here on the hillside. I

1639
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 1: remember being shocked when I saw my first rock scallop,

1640
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 1: and then now I just kind of know what I'm

1641
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 1: looking for. But I remember being like, oh my god,

1642
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:24,680
Speaker 1: that's one, and then you wanted like how many of

1643
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 1: those did I pass? Up? Right, it's kind of that

1644
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 1: feeling a quick tibet on depth and the booey and

1645
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:32,479
Speaker 1: all that and what Greg Fonds, the spear fisherman. He

1646
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:35,120
Speaker 1: was saying that he dives in that that temperature water

1647
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:39,720
Speaker 1: with a seven mill suit because the suit compresses so

1648
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:43,599
Speaker 1: by the time you're down to um when you're at depth,

1649
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 1: you're in like a two mill suit or a three

1650
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:49,200
Speaker 1: mill suit. You see what I'm saying, I do, but

1651
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 1: go on, it's interesting. Uh No, I just really enjoyed that. Uh. Historically,

1652
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 1: Ricky did too highlight for picking up those c cucumbers,

1653
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 1: and that is definitely the beginners, Like that's the gateway

1654
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:07,599
Speaker 1: for free diving, right there are those c cucumbers. They

1655
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 1: don't get away, they can't get away from you know what.

1656
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm hanging out like one or two and then all

1657
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 1: of a sudden you go down and you're like, ah,

1658
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 1: there's ten in a row. I was out of breath

1659
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 1: most of the time. I wasn't doing a very good

1660
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:25,720
Speaker 1: job hold my breath. Uh what what what did you have? What?

1661
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 1: Were your impressions just in general closing thought of the

1662
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:32,680
Speaker 1: whole shoot, Yes, the trip and everything. Oh, I mean,

1663
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 1: I think the fish Shack is easily one of my

1664
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:38,920
Speaker 1: favorite places. Uh it rains all the time, which is

1665
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 1: pretty terrible for doing camera work, but um, I wouldn't

1666
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:47,519
Speaker 1: trade it. But I'm always amazed how I don't know,

1667
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 1: just those coastal conditions out on the water. It's raining,

1668
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:56,960
Speaker 1: it's cold, it's fifty degrees, it's uh yeah, it's it's

1669
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:01,599
Speaker 1: fantastic though, thumbs up, thumbs up. You've got a couple

1670
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 1: of drone shots while we were up, Oh man, some

1671
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:09,360
Speaker 1: beautiful drone stuff, which makes my drone enthusiasm very very high.

1672
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:12,120
Speaker 1: We we had to write. We wrote a song about

1673
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:15,840
Speaker 1: Rick as a drone enthusiast. It's, um, he's got that itch.

1674
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:19,320
Speaker 1: His name is Rich, but it's actually Rick is how

1675
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 1: the song goes, so pretty good lyrics there. All right,

1676
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:26,120
Speaker 1: let's close out with another robust plug for Ben hold On.

1677
01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 1: I got a little comment on you know, everybody says,

1678
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:32,720
Speaker 1: how of it? Just like pulling up a piece of plywood.

1679
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:36,880
Speaker 1: Everybody says, everybody says everything. Yeah, Well, I'd like to

1680
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:39,280
Speaker 1: just comment on that and I was thinking about that

1681
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:41,639
Speaker 1: fighting a few how but I caught there a couple

1682
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:43,920
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and like, this feels like any other

1683
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:47,760
Speaker 1: fish you're pulling off the bottom, head shakes. Yeah, if

1684
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:50,720
Speaker 1: you didn't know it was a hall of it, it

1685
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:53,880
Speaker 1: could be a big fat grouper. It could be a

1686
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:56,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, think of another fish that just they

1687
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:00,000
Speaker 1: don't go for screaming long runs at least I've never experience.

1688
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 1: It's that, you know, because you've got such heavy tackle. Yeah. Oh,

1689
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:05,920
Speaker 1: when you're jigging, you already jigging your jigging way up

1690
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:10,639
Speaker 1: over your head and also bamnam and then you buckle

1691
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:14,600
Speaker 1: in and that head just going boo, almost like it

1692
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:16,439
Speaker 1: like hurt, like if he was hitting your head with

1693
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 1: his head to knock you out. Oh yeah, they put

1694
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:23,679
Speaker 1: up a good all that oh burn door, what suck?

1695
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:27,599
Speaker 1: So I like Alibet for that. They were really fun

1696
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 1: to catch this time again, I've got a little more experience,

1697
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:34,040
Speaker 1: so I think I just I lost one. So I

1698
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:36,920
Speaker 1: feel like I had a good, pretty good hitting catch

1699
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 1: to hook to bite to hook ratio, which is nice.

1700
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't let any go, But coming home

1701
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:45,439
Speaker 1: and eating them, you know, I'm not like huge on

1702
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:48,400
Speaker 1: the holb but usually for eating them, they're just it's

1703
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:50,840
Speaker 1: just like a vessel, you know, like everybody describes, right,

1704
01:41:51,080 --> 01:41:53,720
Speaker 1: they're just it's me. It's there, doesn't have a lot

1705
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:57,120
Speaker 1: of flavor. Everybody likes it. But I decided to blacken

1706
01:41:57,240 --> 01:42:00,960
Speaker 1: one with that blackening. So talk about that that stuff

1707
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:05,479
Speaker 1: that we got in the pint. Yeah, Chef John uh

1708
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:08,840
Speaker 1: White maybe is his last name, I can't remember. Just

1709
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:11,479
Speaker 1: like Instagram buddies, we've never hung out, but he sent us.

1710
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:13,360
Speaker 1: He asked we wanted something. I said sure, so he

1711
01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:16,439
Speaker 1: sent us like six pints of his blackening spice. I'm

1712
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 1: telling you follow his directions. Don't put too much on

1713
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:24,360
Speaker 1: both sides, a little bit of oil cast iron, and

1714
01:42:24,439 --> 01:42:26,080
Speaker 1: then when you flip it after you see her, the

1715
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:29,519
Speaker 1: first side you put in like depending how much fish

1716
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:32,599
Speaker 1: you got in there, but you know, up to half

1717
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:35,680
Speaker 1: stick of butter, and then just start basting, turning down

1718
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:39,200
Speaker 1: like low and start basting that seared side with the butter.

1719
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 1: And after maybe five minutes when was getting to be done,

1720
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:44,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of white wine. Squeeze a lemon in there,

1721
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:51,559
Speaker 1: keep basting prime prime eating right there. Yeah, yeah, I'll

1722
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 1: give you something it's been I thought i'd go through

1723
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:55,680
Speaker 1: that pint wicked quick, but I barely have a dent

1724
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 1: in it. So alright, one last quick, robust plug for Bent.

1725
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:03,240
Speaker 1: A much better show about fishing than what we just had.

1726
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:08,560
Speaker 1: That was real tangential. I will say, of all the

1727
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:10,840
Speaker 1: projects fishing projects I've worked on over the years, I

1728
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 1: am more excited about this one than anything else I've

1729
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:16,040
Speaker 1: ever done. So I just I just hope I think

1730
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:19,519
Speaker 1: Miles would agree. Um, people have fun with this podcast,

1731
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:22,519
Speaker 1: are entertained by and kind of occasionally walk away going

1732
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:24,840
Speaker 1: what the hell did he just say? Is kind of

1733
01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:28,280
Speaker 1: my goal? And not because the sound quality is poor, No,

1734
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:31,559
Speaker 1: not at all. Know if that If that's the problem,

1735
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:35,160
Speaker 1: take that up with Phil. Uh. If it's a content problem,

1736
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 1: you can you can, you can write to us. Yeah,

1737
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:39,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna be produced by meat eaters best exactly, it

1738
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:44,680
Speaker 1: won't be any sounds fill the engineer. When can our

1739
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 1: audiences listen to the podcast every single Friday? Dropping earlier

1740
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:53,240
Speaker 1: early in the morning. If you if you are up

1741
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:56,400
Speaker 1: earlier than this drops, then uh, either you have really

1742
01:43:56,439 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 1: small children or you're doing more fun things that I am.

1743
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:01,760
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, well, you fish more than Miles

1744
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:04,880
Speaker 1: and Night. Yeah, exactly, all right, thanks everyone,