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Speaker 6: you to ROC today. Isaiah will be joining us very shortly.
Speaker 6: He's just running late because he overslept. He doesn't over
Speaker 6: sleep when it's nine o'clock and yeah, yeah, and when
Speaker 6: it's good morning football, he doesn't show up.
Speaker 1: Over sleeping at two.
Speaker 3: It's crazy what happens. He's probably listening to this in
Speaker 3: this car, yelling at the stereo.
Speaker 1: What are you guys talking about?
Speaker 3: I'm stuck in traffic.
Speaker 1: Seems like a guy that didn't realize he had to
Speaker 1: show at two o'clock on thursdays. That way, he didn't
Speaker 1: check his emails. To be fair, I also didn't know
Speaker 1: that we had a show today. Really well, I just
Speaker 1: got back for vacation.
Speaker 3: True, that's fair.
Speaker 1: First day back, I assumed like, oh, they did it
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. I was a deal. It was excellent. I
Speaker 1: went to Oregon, Oregon for a little over I guess
Speaker 1: a week, and then had some days here back and
Speaker 1: forth between those days. But very refreshing. If you've never
Speaker 1: been to Oregon, please check that out. We were liening
Speaker 1: in Portland. Love the people out there. Any cowboys fans
Speaker 1: out there that were nice enough to to to wear
Speaker 1: cowboys hats or whatever, point out the hat that I
Speaker 1: was wearing. Shouts to them. Uh but yeah, do that.
Speaker 1: Go do that. Go to mount Hood, Go see a mountain,
Speaker 1: Go see a snow cap mountain. You ever do that?
Speaker 1: You ever check that out? It's amazing. So we were
Speaker 1: driving through we were driving to mountain We don't get
Speaker 1: snow capped mountains around here, not in this America, in
Speaker 1: the lanes and prairies. We're driving through the like to
Speaker 1: mountain Hood, through mountains of trees. It was the most
Speaker 1: beautiful thing I've ever seen, and I was like, this
Speaker 1: is where gorgeous comes from, because it's like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: dead serious, because of gorges, that's where that's where they are.
Speaker 1: And it's like trees as far as the eye can
Speaker 1: see it is taking up the skyline. How tall and gigantic.
Speaker 1: These mountains of trees are most beautiful thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: And this is coming from someone who's lived in Texas
Speaker 1: my entire life. So uh yeah, who knew? Who knew America?
Speaker 7: The beautiful victors you posted, I mean like literally looked
Speaker 7: like the definition of serenity. Dude, like you you look
Speaker 7: like your feet weren't even touching the ground. Oh man, Yeah,
Speaker 7: those pictures were spectacular.
Speaker 1: Man. We went to the Goonies beach. I did a
Speaker 1: truffle shuffle on the beach.
Speaker 7: Video over your line, and I guess.
Speaker 1: Your line behind a paywall.
Speaker 7: It's good, get out, get outside, get in nature.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 7: It doesn't happen to It doesn't happen often often enough.
Speaker 7: Nowadays we are so attached to devices and you know,
Speaker 7: doing things on the home front, and we've just you know,
Speaker 7: been blessed enough to be able to make our homes
Speaker 7: so comfortable where it makes it kind of difficult to
Speaker 7: want to leave sometimes, but it's good to get outside,
Speaker 7: get outdoors, get barefoot and run running the grass or something.
Speaker 1: A literal and certified touch grass moment. M h you
Speaker 1: touch the grass, touching grass.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna run in the concrete parking garage across line.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not the same.
Speaker 6: First time I ever went to Portland, it was like
Speaker 6: one of my first trips out of Texas when I
Speaker 6: was in I was probably seventh eighth grade, and I
Speaker 6: remember getting it was in the middle of July, so
Speaker 6: Texas heat, humidity, got July, and got on the plane,
Speaker 6: got to Portland after stopping in Arizona and in Phoenix,
Speaker 6: and then you go to you go to Portland, and
Speaker 6: I remember getting off the plane, I was like, wow,
Speaker 6: not everywhere is one hundred and ten degrees.
Speaker 3: In July, Like wait, what is this?
Speaker 6: And I like, like the whole ride. I mean, I was,
Speaker 6: like I said a middle schooler, a whole ride to
Speaker 6: the hotel. I was just doing this in the breeze
Speaker 6: with the window down in the back of the.
Speaker 1: Car, like you like rolled in with the.
Speaker 7: You know if you like that viral Jason Garrett means.
Speaker 1: I was I was doing that myself. No, it's it's spectacular.
Speaker 1: If you can go out and touch grass, please do
Speaker 1: that for your mental health. If not anything else.
Speaker 3: Good reminder.
Speaker 6: All right, Patrick Nosey Walker. Time for some news and notes.
Speaker 6: Not a ton going, not a ton.
Speaker 7: I'm forgive me. I'm trying to get the seats situated
Speaker 7: because I've got this thing going on.
Speaker 1: We must have had a linebacker or two signed since.
Speaker 7: No, No, it's a no for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not done yet.
Speaker 7: They're not done yet. So that Kyle Yeomans has so
Speaker 7: eloquently lobbed over to me, Cowboys have been pretty dry
Speaker 7: on the transaction front.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 7: Obviously the most recent signing is going to be Jonathan Bullet,
Speaker 7: defensive lineman. But outside of that, no linebacker addition. So
Speaker 7: that's still still a glaring box that needs to be
Speaker 7: checked off going into and for my money, also coming
Speaker 7: out of the draft at this point, we're talking about that.
Speaker 7: A little bit later, Donovan as Roku announced that he
Speaker 7: will change his number to number six. So number six
Speaker 7: goes from one Donovan to the other Donovan, right, so
Speaker 7: number six also being the number that as Roku played
Speaker 7: with at Boston College, so he gets back into his
Speaker 7: number six. Donovan Wilson obviously still a free agent, he
Speaker 7: was not brought back by the team. Cowboys signed Jalen
Speaker 7: Thompson p J. Lock to to you know, solidify that
Speaker 7: safety position along Sadelee Cookers. So outside of those couple
Speaker 7: of things, I mean, it's been pretty dried. Cowboys did
Speaker 7: have the league meetings in which Schottenheimer and both of
Speaker 7: the Jones Is Jerry and Stevens spoke and one of
Speaker 7: the more interesting things Number one goes to the point
Speaker 7: of what Kyle was saying, which is Stephen Jones did
Speaker 7: say that the Cowboys quote unquote are not done uh
Speaker 7: in free agency. As they going to the draft, they're
Speaker 7: really trying to check off that that big linebacker box
Speaker 7: before they pretty big box, pretty big box, and they
Speaker 7: want to see what, you know, what they can do
Speaker 7: before then. There's some freegent names that have been thrown out.
Speaker 7: Bron Shottenheimer specifically drew a circle around Bobby Wagner as
Speaker 7: a guy. Obviously they spent time together with Seattle, and
Speaker 7: I caught that big box.
Speaker 3: I just you I had to just keep killing it.
Speaker 1: It's in the middle of the defense. That's what it is.
Speaker 3: A lot of these safeties have to play in the box.
Speaker 3: That's part of it. That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 1: They didn't attack the box. Always attacked the box.
Speaker 7: So yeah, we'll see where they stand at this point
Speaker 7: going forward. But as it stands, and I can tell you,
Speaker 7: and this is something that we talked about on the
Speaker 7: last episode, I can tell you that the Cowboys have
Speaker 7: made attempts at trying to bring in a linebacker, a
Speaker 7: freegency linebacker outside of the unsuccessful bid for Nikobe. Dean
Speaker 7: did not give up after that. There are some other
Speaker 7: names that are in the mix, you know, ones in
Speaker 7: you know the Southeast, you know, palm Trees and the like.
Speaker 7: But you know, takes two sides to make a deal.
Speaker 7: So we'll see if the Cowboys can you know, strike
Speaker 7: another blockbuster trade or trade of any effect, or if
Speaker 7: they just simply go out and get a veteran linebacker.
Speaker 7: But I'm at the stage of the game where I
Speaker 7: feel like, because you're so close to the draft, outside
Speaker 7: of a blockbuster deal for a linebacker, if you sign
Speaker 7: a veteran that doesn't preclude any someone like a Sunny
Speaker 7: Styles or whatever the case may be, could you.
Speaker 4: Because they need so many bodies, They need so many
Speaker 4: guys at the linebacker position.
Speaker 6: Are you waiting on multiple moves here? I mean, and
Speaker 6: I'm not just saying sign a guy, right, I'm saying
Speaker 6: trade and then draft a top one hundred linebacker and
Speaker 6: then maybe sign another starting caliber linebacker or try and
Speaker 6: find one out there, or maybe straight or draft two
Speaker 6: guys and trade for another guy.
Speaker 3: So you're adding three.
Speaker 6: Because you kind of need three or four new members
Speaker 6: of your linebacker to even field the team the right
Speaker 6: way going into training, kid, I don't.
Speaker 7: Feel like you have the luxury to go overkill at linebacker.
Speaker 7: I'm on board with two of those options. So if
Speaker 7: you want to trade for one, I'd still use one
Speaker 7: of the day.
Speaker 3: Trade one, draft one, draft one.
Speaker 7: But you gotta address edge. You gotta address edge. We
Speaker 7: talked about it a lot. Rareshaun Gary was brought in,
Speaker 7: but you need something in addition to that that. I
Speaker 7: don't feel like that's the only thing that you can't
Speaker 7: look and say, Okay, well that's going to be my
Speaker 7: edge resolution there. Opposite is Roku, who, by the way,
Speaker 7: is coming off of laboram surgery. So yeah, no, you
Speaker 7: have to address edge on day one is my opinion.
Speaker 1: You have to address edge on day one. I believe
Speaker 1: you do. I tend to disagree. I feel like Baine
Speaker 1: is staring you in the face. I mean, I'm already
Speaker 1: on Rocker, I'm already on Rutger.
Speaker 8: You do.
Speaker 3: What do you doing? A lovely, lovely boy.
Speaker 1: I'm on record that I want Baine, There's no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. But I don't think that that is it
Speaker 1: is necessary to go day one with picking a an edge.
Speaker 1: I really don't think.
Speaker 5: It's tell me your your depth chart on your edge
Speaker 5: right now, right now as it stands April knife as
Speaker 5: rakku for Shuan Gary Laboram needs to improve off of
Speaker 5: last year, h Gary?
Speaker 1: Fair enough? Then you have Marsha Neelan my goodness, excuse me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're good, You're all right.
Speaker 3: I wish we had Sam Williams.
Speaker 5: No, I wish we had him now rest in peace
Speaker 5: to yes, of course, absolutely my missect.
Speaker 1: You you wish you had Rusty.
Speaker 7: You wish you had something proving that you can sink
Speaker 7: your teeth into when it comes to say Williams.
Speaker 1: But you don't know, you don't, gosh, no, nothing is
Speaker 1: solidified there. But I also, don't think your name that
Speaker 1: you can't sink your teeth into.
Speaker 3: No, not at all.
Speaker 1: But you have avoid at corner right now.
Speaker 6: You haven't brought back Jadavian Clowney. You haven't brought back
Speaker 6: that's fair, any of those guys.
Speaker 7: You have avoided corner. However, you at least addressed that
Speaker 7: in free agency. You at least when it got a
Speaker 7: Kobe Durant. When you talk about addressing, let's assume, because
Speaker 7: I see where you're going with the corner, let's assume I.
Speaker 1: Think it's linebackerund corner.
Speaker 3: I think those.
Speaker 7: Revels asterisk because I'm going to keep the energy. If
Speaker 7: I'm going to put an asterisk on as rock, I'm
Speaker 7: going to put it. Ask Ron Bland too. Are we
Speaker 7: sure about the risk?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 7: But it could go either way. I guess what I'm
Speaker 7: what I lean toward is just building in front to back.
Speaker 6: This goes back to our march madness kind of. This
Speaker 6: is what happened when we got to this point, because
Speaker 6: it's those three positions has changed since nothing has changed,
Speaker 6: And you're completely right in saying that. But the thought
Speaker 6: process is corner. You don't don't have any healthy bodies.
Speaker 6: You have capable bodies as long as they're healthy. But
Speaker 6: you can't tell me they're healthy. Edge rusher, you you
Speaker 6: have bodies, but they might not be capable bodies, or
Speaker 6: at least they haven't shown in the past that they
Speaker 6: can carry the entire weight of a pass rush.
Speaker 4: Ability from a team white standpoint. And then linebackers, you
Speaker 4: just need bodies. You don't have anybody there. I mean,
Speaker 4: you've got Shamar James being your number one linebacker at
Speaker 4: the moment.
Speaker 3: I know you're everybody saying, well.
Speaker 6: What about Marist ed Rusher, what about Demo Hurt? I mean,
Speaker 6: you don't have bodies there right at the moment.
Speaker 7: Samar is the only one without an answers exactly so.
Speaker 3: And even that's a fifth round pick from.
Speaker 6: A year ago who sparing the line him, saw some
Speaker 6: good things, saw some great things from Schamar, and I
Speaker 6: think you'll see a step forward and they're really excited
Speaker 6: about him. So all three of those positions, if you're
Speaker 6: telling me the best player available at those position is
Speaker 6: on the board at twelve or twenty, I'm taking any
Speaker 6: of those.
Speaker 7: So you without you would balking, you would triple ope
Speaker 7: free agency signing or trade to acquire linebacker, and you
Speaker 7: would still double dip with twelve and twenty at.
Speaker 6: Linebacker, not at linebacker. I wouldn't double dip at twelve
Speaker 6: and twenty. I would double dip in the draft. In
Speaker 6: the draft, there are linebackers on Day three that I.
Speaker 7: Think, Okay, I just want so you can qualify. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: I would say, we're just talking. We're talking only about
Speaker 7: twelve and twenty.
Speaker 6: I'm taking a linebacker and edge rusher in a corner
Speaker 6: in the top one hundred.
Speaker 1: Well, you've got you got a third round pickback exactly.
Speaker 6: You've got three picks in the top one hundred. Those
Speaker 6: are my three linebacker, corner, at rusher. Maybe not order, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: in what particular order. Then it depends, of course, that's
Speaker 6: all boy.
Speaker 1: But your priority at that point, I.
Speaker 3: Would say corner, edge linebacker.
Speaker 7: I would say, ed which linebacker corner?
Speaker 3: See but in I.
Speaker 1: Would go linebacker, corner.
Speaker 3: So it's all fledged.
Speaker 6: But the thought process for me here is if I'm
Speaker 6: sitting here right now and I'm at twelve, and let's
Speaker 6: say it's best case scenario and you've got the top
Speaker 6: edge rushers on the board, Let's say Bailey or Bang,
Speaker 6: which is not happening. You're gonna have to trade up
Speaker 6: to go get those guys. One of the guys, Isaiah
Speaker 6: stand back. Welcome to the show, sir. Only fourteen minutes
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Speaker 3: Put a podcast in the middle of the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you didn't look at your email.
Speaker 3: Man, Hey, listen, I schedule don't work like that a podcast. Listen.
Speaker 7: I dragged my one legged.
Speaker 3: He crooked. I was out there doing country.
Speaker 5: I was out there doing country work, out there moving
Speaker 5: rocks and boulders.
Speaker 3: Yeah, setting up your bee high exactly? What exactly the
Speaker 3: bees coming tomorrow?
Speaker 6: Bee farmer? Isaiah stand back. Everybody welcome in here, trying
Speaker 6: to earn them.
Speaker 3: What's only saying you earned?
Speaker 6: Honey, the hardaway baby.
Speaker 1: Give you that intro.
Speaker 5: Now the flight of the bumbleted exactly, turn it up,
Speaker 5: turn it out. I'm definitely sung in a butt. Have
Speaker 5: you listened to any of the show on your way in?
Speaker 6: No, Okay, I want you to take a guess right now, Okay,
Speaker 6: what our debate is currently It has to do with
Speaker 6: the NFL draft, And no, it's not a trade. So
Speaker 6: so what do you think we're talking about If we're
Speaker 6: talking about the positional draft, Yeah, yeah, okay, and.
Speaker 3: What position do you grab first? Yeah?
Speaker 6: And then what would be the three spots that we'll
Speaker 6: be talking about, d N, cornerback, linebacker.
Speaker 3: And now if you have in that order, is it
Speaker 3: in that It depends on how it falls the way
Speaker 3: that I see it going. I see it.
Speaker 5: I see it being d N and linebacker interchangeable. But
Speaker 5: what's your preference? My preference is one of those two
Speaker 5: positions first, one of those two positions for you.
Speaker 3: So I was running through a scenario.
Speaker 6: I think it's unrealistic to expect Bane or Bailey to
Speaker 6: fall without something crazy happening that allows them to fall
Speaker 6: right if they're at or if they're at twelve, I
Speaker 6: would take an edge rusher first, So that would go
Speaker 6: against my order of three. I still think corner is
Speaker 6: still very much so up there because of the health
Speaker 6: of the position, and I would still take an edge
Speaker 6: rusher in that spot because you don't just find blue
Speaker 6: chip ad rushers. You can find a starting caliber corner.
Speaker 6: That's fine, you can do that, especially at twenty. I
Speaker 6: still think you're going to have a starting caliber corner
Speaker 6: at twenty, So I would take one of those guys.
Speaker 6: If they fall, because that's unrealistic. I think it's more
Speaker 6: likely you're going to see one of the top corners fall.
Speaker 1: So I have a question. I agree, who's your who's
Speaker 1: your monkey?
Speaker 3: Wrint? What is that? What is a monkey?
Speaker 1: You have? Food fighters?
Speaker 7: We all agree, we all have probably on medicine. Bro Well,
Speaker 7: I'm onst seven mays right now, absolute seven medications right now.
Speaker 7: Brother had that first post off yesterday and that that
Speaker 7: scars gnarly down there. But yeah, I'm on seven minutes.
Speaker 7: But nonetheless, we all agree edge linebacker, cornerback in any variation.
Speaker 7: When I say who's your monkey wrench, I mean, like,
Speaker 7: for example, a Caleb downs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if he happens to fall to twelve, you absolutely
Speaker 1: see what if he.
Speaker 3: Falls to No, No, you're not going up.
Speaker 1: You're not going up to give I'm sticking a pickt sticking.
Speaker 5: As my mom used to tell me, stick it picking
Speaker 5: and lick it. Your mom told you that absolutely my
Speaker 5: whole my whole childhood, stick it picking and licked it
Speaker 5: regards to whenever if I was getting on her nerves
Speaker 5: by just stick it picking and lick it, that means
Speaker 5: like gone by your business.
Speaker 1: Okay. Washington's interesting I guess I don't know who.
Speaker 3: Can you? Can you ask me that question?
Speaker 7: Yeah, so who's your monkey wrench? Who would have to
Speaker 7: begin falling that would have you deviate from those three
Speaker 7: positions that you just talked about that we all agreed
Speaker 7: that the Cowboys have a dire need and edge cornerback
Speaker 7: and linebacker. What player would start to sniff around twelve
Speaker 7: where you'd be like.
Speaker 3: Gotta go get them, gotta go get them.
Speaker 6: There's three names, David Bailey, Okay, Sunny Styles, Caleb Downs.
Speaker 6: If if those three names are at six, I would
Speaker 6: get on the phone and just call and.
Speaker 1: See if Caleb Downs is approaching nine.
Speaker 6: I get it, and I understand wanting to stay and
Speaker 6: take your twelve and twenty. But we've run through a
Speaker 6: lot of simulations where you get wiped out at twelve
Speaker 6: and you're sitting there and the best player on your
Speaker 6: board that makes sense for you is Spencer Fano or
Speaker 6: Roe freelan offensive tackles, so with.
Speaker 3: That being set or one of the wide receivers.
Speaker 6: So I'm I'm looking at that and saying, I want
Speaker 6: to upgrade my defense right now.
Speaker 3: What those are three guys that can do that right now?
Speaker 1: If you're the Cowboys and at ten, Manguia is still
Speaker 1: on the board. Left tackle Miami MALANOA. MALANOA, Oh that's
Speaker 1: how you said.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I like that.
Speaker 6: I was like, who is this player that I've not
Speaker 6: heard of yet? Yeah, Francis Maligoa MALANOA.
Speaker 3: Sorry, it's a silent g.
Speaker 1: Not doing it. But if you're the Dallas Cowboys, are
Speaker 1: you doing it? No?
Speaker 6: No, if he falls to twelve, they would have that conversation.
Speaker 6: I think he's going three to the Arizona Cardinals personally, but.
Speaker 1: The infan I was already off the board at that
Speaker 1: point too.
Speaker 3: At ten. Maybe it depends.
Speaker 6: I'm saying, we've run through simulations where it's more likely
Speaker 6: that a offensive tackles fall then some of the defenders fall. Okay,
Speaker 6: And that's where I'm saying, if you're Dallas and you
Speaker 6: want to upgrade your defense right now with a bona
Speaker 6: fide playmaker, any of those three names make it to six,
Speaker 6: I'm at least talking it through because there's a there's
Speaker 6: a scenario where you can trade and we've talked about
Speaker 6: it on the Draft Show, where you trade twelve and
Speaker 6: twenty two Cleveland and they pick up two first round
Speaker 6: picks because they don't need a bona.
Speaker 3: Fide six round pick.
Speaker 6: But you pick up six and thirty nine, so you
Speaker 6: still have a first, second, and third round pick. You
Speaker 6: just don't pick twice in the first you get a
Speaker 6: guy like Sunny Styles, Caleb Downs, or David Bailey at six,
Speaker 6: and then you get a one of these one to
Speaker 6: two cheeter grades in the middle of the back half
Speaker 6: of the thirties and.
Speaker 3: You end up doing something.
Speaker 7: So let me put this out there for those that
Speaker 7: may or may not know, we're talking about the Cowboys
Speaker 7: possibly moving up or down on day one, or Day
Speaker 7: two or day three.
Speaker 1: Here's the quote from Jerry Jones.
Speaker 7: It's in an article that I wrote on Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 7: dot com back and Jerry Jones effectively stated, quote unquote
Speaker 7: absolutely the Cowboys will. We will entertain improving on an
Speaker 7: end draft read on what gives us a better chance
Speaker 7: to get another player.
Speaker 1: End quote.
Speaker 7: Now you can you know interpret that however you like.
Speaker 7: Bottom line is the Cowboys are as we're entering the draft.
Speaker 7: They're open for business to hear all conversations and possible scenarios,
Speaker 7: and that does include possibly moving up. Now, put my
Speaker 7: hat on take put it. Yeah, my hat on it
Speaker 7: did Jimmy on. You would have to sell me on
Speaker 7: trying to move up from twelve takes to six. I
Speaker 7: don't have to marry you won't have to sell me
Speaker 7: from moving up. You would have to sell me on
Speaker 7: moving up from twelve to six, because that's that's not
Speaker 7: an inexpensive venture. It's not.
Speaker 3: No, it's not. It's not. But scare money, don't make money.
Speaker 3: And those are three. Those three damn, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: There's three players right there, three players right there that'll
Speaker 6: immediately make you a better drawn Jay. Can you tell
Speaker 6: me right now, based off of today, as we stand
Speaker 6: on Thursday, April ninth, twenty twenty six, that the Cowboys
Speaker 6: defense is significantly and that's the key word here, better
Speaker 6: than what they were last year?
Speaker 3: Significantly. Yeah, I don't know exactly. I'm not.
Speaker 6: I'm not sitting and waiting for something to fall in
Speaker 6: my lap. If that happens, great, That's why you need
Speaker 6: both picks, right, I get it for reason.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 6: Those are very little picks though you're still picking in
Speaker 6: the top forty. But now you get to pick a
Speaker 6: bona fide, no doubt safe playmaker that's gonna get you
Speaker 6: the job done right now, and then you get another
Speaker 6: shot at a starter at thirty nine.
Speaker 1: But you don't think you do that at twelve and twenty.
Speaker 6: You might at twelve, you might if one of those
Speaker 6: guys falls mensword Lane falls Spencer Fano on the offensive side.
Speaker 6: That's the thing is, I'm not looking at offense though. Yeah,
Speaker 6: of course I'm not trying to look at offense. You're
Speaker 6: gonna get a good player at twelve, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 6: But your defensive guys that you feel like are going
Speaker 6: to be incredible.
Speaker 3: I'm just looking at it may not be there at looking.
Speaker 5: At the draft order, Yeah, and I think you're gonna
Speaker 5: be in a really good position at twelve for who
Speaker 5: any of those, Any of those think you're gonna get
Speaker 5: your your linebacker, your d N or your your safety
Speaker 5: of choice. I think I think you're gonna get that guy.
Speaker 5: I'm looking at it. I mean, Las Vegas they're getting quarterback.
Speaker 5: The Jets, who knows what they're.
Speaker 3: Gonna probably can take RVL Reys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, Arizona they need offensive tackle at any offensive
Speaker 5: lineman Tennessee needs or they need weapons. They've already add
Speaker 5: a bunch of stuff on defense already, I can't. They
Speaker 5: might add more, but that's been their primary defensive night
Speaker 5: a head coach the Giant, they actually actually a pretty
Speaker 5: loaded team. But I would imagine they probably go O Line, Uh, Cleveland,
Speaker 5: Little Jesus. They could take literally in Washington, could take
Speaker 5: anything in Order, could take anything in Kansas City. I
Speaker 5: would imagine it be specific. But then you start getting
Speaker 5: down to Cincinnati, Miami. I mean, I don't see them
Speaker 5: taking the guys that you want.
Speaker 1: Kyle, tell me who is for sure of the playmakers
Speaker 1: that you're talking about, who is for sure off the
Speaker 1: board at twelve with with absolutely.
Speaker 6: Certain, without moving up, it would be Bailey styles downs
Speaker 6: in Bang off the board. As long as nothing happens
Speaker 6: between now and the draft, that's off the board. Those
Speaker 6: those four are off the board. The guys that I
Speaker 6: think could fall are Delaye the corner out of l
Speaker 6: s U. Well, that's that's pretty much the only other
Speaker 6: name there. I'd be interested.
Speaker 5: Ve Vegas quarterback Tennessee's taking a running back most likely
Speaker 5: if he's there.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe they might take David Bailey. He's a better
Speaker 3: edge rush.
Speaker 1: But if it's Delane at twelve. Do you think that
Speaker 1: at that point it'd be awesome? At twenty you can
Speaker 1: either get your linebacker.
Speaker 3: Sure or your edge. Yeah, yeah, yeah I think so.
Speaker 6: Which Like, that's that's the risk you're taking if you
Speaker 6: have the one name, but you feel like is possible
Speaker 6: to fall is mansort of lane, You're you're taking a
Speaker 6: risk sitting at twelve that Cincinnati who needs cornerback help
Speaker 6: doesn't take him.
Speaker 3: They take your mom McCoy instead. Right, he runs a
Speaker 3: four to three eight.
Speaker 6: Maybe they feel better about him and the tape and
Speaker 6: acl whatever it ends up being this guy shut.
Speaker 3: Down Minsort of laying absolutely shut down.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he's like who he's a dog like comparing
Speaker 5: with somebody they're coming.
Speaker 1: They put you on Mitchell right now.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I love that comparison. Let me
Speaker 3: give you NFL, let me give you what I put
Speaker 3: in the draft bank.
Speaker 1: I mean, but anybody likes it type.
Speaker 3: I think you going to get two really good players.
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna get two.
Speaker 5: I mean, if you're talking but this conversation is about
Speaker 5: moving up from twenty to fifteen to go grab somebody
Speaker 5: or something like that, then that's a different conversation. But
Speaker 5: I don't think we have the draft equity in order
Speaker 5: to do that. But stick at twelve, We'll see. Okay,
Speaker 5: so I can see them sticking at twelve and then
Speaker 5: moving up from twenty. You know what I'm saying, to
Speaker 5: go make sure that I don't know. See, I'm just saying,
Speaker 5: that's a better conversation.
Speaker 7: Because the thing is is, I think everyone needs to
Speaker 7: understand and remember that.
Speaker 1: And I know you're ready to go to break.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to take a break.
Speaker 7: Everyone needs to understand real quick that when you're talking
Speaker 7: about these trade packages, you're not just only you know,
Speaker 7: I only talking about twenty twenty six draft picks.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 7: Okay, let's go to break.
Speaker 3: We can continue this conversation if we want.
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Speaker 1: Call the Oregon the Oregon Draft.
Speaker 3: Josh Chris Beam is in the back of Kyle yeomans.
Speaker 3: Did you used to play the Oregon Trail? No died
Speaker 3: of dysentery?
Speaker 1: Were you ever?
Speaker 3: I did? Beamer?
Speaker 1: Did the snake bite Beamer? Baemer got it?
Speaker 3: I hate when that popped up Bedden by a snake.
Speaker 7: No, man's showing age now facts?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What year did that come out? Oregon Trail?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 1: Elementary school?
Speaker 9: Me?
Speaker 1: You're talking eighties? Really? PC old for my time?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, floppy disc.
Speaker 1: Chris Bimer made a claim this morning. I don't think
Speaker 1: we need to bring up on the show. He claims
Speaker 1: he is younger than one Patrick No, s Walker.
Speaker 7: Oh, I think that's true in what capacity? Well, let
Speaker 7: me qualify in no capacity, But I just want to
Speaker 7: I'm curious, and what capacity is.
Speaker 3: In terms of like age is a number?
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I'm forty five.
Speaker 3: Oh you got I got you by a couple of years. Okay,
Speaker 3: so he's a little bit older, old beam ones.
Speaker 1: How old are we being?
Speaker 3: Forty eighth?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, that's three, not two.
Speaker 3: A couple of years, A few years. I because if
Speaker 3: you're going to make.
Speaker 1: A he said, it's so common. I don't think so.
Speaker 7: If you're want to so confidently make a bombastic claim
Speaker 7: such as that the.
Speaker 1: Mad thoughts you were older than I.
Speaker 3: That's all I said.
Speaker 1: Not at all. It's the great but it sounds like
Speaker 1: you were twenty five.
Speaker 7: It is the gree Oh no, I'm definitely not twenty five.
Speaker 6: The original Oregon Trail came out December third of nineteen.
Speaker 1: Eighty four, eighty five.
Speaker 3: Seventy one.
Speaker 1: Really, whoa, that's way, that's right. That game b one.
Speaker 3: That game was all a way. The classic version came
Speaker 3: out in eighty five, so that's probably was.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the original was seventy one, but the classic version
Speaker 6: released for Apple two computers. Yeah, widely recognized version of
Speaker 6: the game. That's what you guys were playing eighty five.
Speaker 3: Ye. There you go and learned something new every day
Speaker 3: you have.
Speaker 1: The Apple two? Did I have?
Speaker 3: Is that the one with the clear No?
Speaker 12: No, that's the Mac all the colors. Yeah, it was
Speaker 12: fire that was got that. We got that in our
Speaker 12: computer LABRAR We're like, what is this?
Speaker 1: They're only like four we got a share, all right?
Speaker 6: We Yeah, that is that's a subtle flick, subtle one.
Speaker 6: I want to continue this conversation, okay, the it will
Speaker 6: be a conversation on draft night and Jerry Jones has
Speaker 6: already alluded to that. Everybody's talked about it, trade up
Speaker 6: versus trade down. We've talked about trading up, and I
Speaker 6: know you got aren't wanting to do so, no I
Speaker 6: I My whole argument is that there are six names
Speaker 6: that I think can make your defense immediately better without
Speaker 6: any sort of red flags and any sort of question marks.
Speaker 6: And those were the six that I talked about there
Speaker 6: in Reese, Bailey, Styles, Delaine, Downs and Bank. Those six names,
Speaker 6: let me ask you this question. Five of them are
Speaker 6: probably gone and you're waiting on one.
Speaker 5: Leading into this topic, how many defensive players do you
Speaker 5: think going to top twenty?
Speaker 3: Jeez, I'll go buy.
Speaker 6: Let's just go by the We did a draft show
Speaker 6: mock draft last week that there was those six names, Pheneman, McCoy, Hood,
Speaker 6: mesador In Terrell.
Speaker 1: How many is that that is?
Speaker 3: I just counted through. I believe that's ten, so.
Speaker 1: I think eleven. I think eleven going to top twenty.
Speaker 3: Ten Yeah, yeah, eleven, So eleven going to top twenty.
Speaker 3: How many.
Speaker 5: Difference makers Year one difference makers? Do you think there
Speaker 5: are a defense side of bond Issue's draft four?
Speaker 1: He just said five, six, And I would throw.
Speaker 6: I would throw a Key Mesodor in there too. I
Speaker 6: think he would be like my six and a half.
Speaker 6: He's not as good as those guys.
Speaker 3: He's not in that top six day one, but I
Speaker 3: bet you got a pot. Yeah, yeah, he could possibly
Speaker 3: be there.
Speaker 6: That's that's where I'm at, because the other guys have
Speaker 6: question I have question marks with McCoy. It's the health hood,
Speaker 6: it's the technique, Mesador, it's it's partially the technique, partially
Speaker 6: the age he played six years in college to real
Speaker 6: it's the technique and maybe the processing.
Speaker 3: Ability all of them.
Speaker 6: I have question marks on not saying that the previous
Speaker 6: six guys are perfect process or prospects, but I have
Speaker 6: less questions in my evaluation of them than I do.
Speaker 5: The other How many guys would you take from Ohio
Speaker 5: State and just in general, almost all of them?
Speaker 3: And the top twenty with your twelve and twenty pick, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Reese Styles, I would throw Carnell Tay in there because
Speaker 6: I think he's a badass.
Speaker 3: Downs is everybody I'm missing? It's probably that's probably.
Speaker 5: It sounds like this, But as far as those picks
Speaker 5: he's talking about, yeah, four in the top twenty, where.
Speaker 3: Would you go, yeah, those three three or three minus tap?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Styles Styles will be first. All right, sorry, Styles or Downs.
Speaker 5: I'll take either one of those guys first. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: like both of them.
Speaker 3: Sure, Reese is cool, He's he's his position value.
Speaker 5: Yes, based upon the new scheme, he's he's kind of
Speaker 5: sneaky when you turn on his film.
Speaker 1: If you like CJ. Allen over Styles, what is the
Speaker 1: reason behind that.
Speaker 3: I like the Roga's cat too.
Speaker 1: I like to subjective leader.
Speaker 3: I like Rodriguez.
Speaker 1: I can't say it today in a box. I can
Speaker 1: say it.
Speaker 3: I've been through a lot.
Speaker 7: I could say it, go ahead, go dogs, But no,
Speaker 7: I think objectively speaking, all told Sonny Styles is a
Speaker 7: better linebacker than c. J.
Speaker 1: Allen.
Speaker 7: I do have him great a highre on my board.
Speaker 7: That again, this is just objectively speaking. The science is
Speaker 7: the science. I don't think that he beats out CJ.
Speaker 7: In every single category. I think you know, athleticism absolutely, Uh.
Speaker 7: Football acumen on Sonny Styles is outrageous, But I would
Speaker 7: argue that c. J. Allen's football acumen is slightly higher
Speaker 7: because we're talking.
Speaker 3: About a guy both. Yeah, but we're talking they're both
Speaker 3: gonna wear a guy.
Speaker 7: J Allen. We're talking about a guy who called the
Speaker 7: plays exactly every snap for Kirby Smart and that defense.
Speaker 7: And Jeorge I would.
Speaker 1: Argue verse six five to forty four.
Speaker 7: Yeah, position of flex athleticism, athleticism, not even just teleticism flex.
Speaker 5: Yeah, fair enough, fair enough because stop I mean Alan,
Speaker 5: no disrespect. I haven't seen his film or anything like that. Yah,
Speaker 5: that's y'all think excellent.
Speaker 7: I'm looking at a size he could play one position. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and he's actually yeah, he's he's not great in coverage,
Speaker 7: but he's.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, yeah, he's a mic. But what what I'm
Speaker 3: also his thing with c J.
Speaker 7: Allen is where he where he lacks in athleticism, he
Speaker 7: makes up in the ability to diagnose quickly, no doubt.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 7: So so because he can diagnose quickly, it masks some
Speaker 7: of the the athletics deficiencies right where Sonny Styles. Again,
Speaker 7: this is not saying Sonny Styles is not of a
Speaker 7: high football like you. We just said it's outrageously high,
Speaker 7: but I do put CJ's a little bit higher.
Speaker 1: Sonny is just he's a freaking he's freakish.
Speaker 7: He's freakish athletically, but he doesn't top CJ in every
Speaker 7: single category.
Speaker 1: Is he more aggressive than CJ Allen at tackling and coverage?
Speaker 1: I would think so. I would argue that your defense,
Speaker 1: that defensive coordinator is looking for a guy that's going
Speaker 1: to be able to be the green dot, no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. And granted, if Sonny Styles is that guy,
Speaker 1: he's that guy. But to me, CJ Allen has the
Speaker 1: brain works in terms of defensive course.
Speaker 7: Sonny is more aggressive in coverage because he can be because.
Speaker 1: He's he came from the safety position right.
Speaker 7: Correct, but also because he's more athletically inclined to do so.
Speaker 3: CJ.
Speaker 7: He's not as aggressive in coverage. There are times where
Speaker 7: he second guesses in coverage because he wonders if he
Speaker 7: can kind of get there, But when it comes to
Speaker 7: run fits or a mobile quarterback, he's there. So I
Speaker 7: would argue he's better in run coverage and run dee,
Speaker 7: not run covers, but run defense than Sonny. But as
Speaker 7: a total athletic package who can do both. I'm going
Speaker 7: to get what position are you putting the Styles at Linebaker?
Speaker 3: Yeah, good question.
Speaker 1: What do I have overshown? Overshown is my will?
Speaker 3: Probably? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I love samar is my Sam. Okay, so then it
Speaker 5: has to be he's your mic. He has to bend and.
Speaker 3: He should be the mic in this system. Six foot
Speaker 3: five mic is crazy to be wild.
Speaker 7: But so then what's your orientation if you get him
Speaker 7: and you and you would prefer or unless you're saying
Speaker 7: you wouldn't prefer Demo.
Speaker 1: To be that's if he falls, which probably not.
Speaker 6: See And that's why I had my conversation. We're talking
Speaker 6: about a freak. This guy's awesome. Go up and get him,
Speaker 6: go and do it. Just stop being scared and go
Speaker 6: and make.
Speaker 3: A move and go get you a dude. But these
Speaker 3: are dudes.
Speaker 8: C J.
Speaker 6: Allen, By the way, I love c J. Allen and
Speaker 6: I've mocked him multiple times to Dallas on the Blitz
Speaker 6: on Drop Show, all of these different things. I had
Speaker 6: a little bird to get in my ear.
Speaker 3: And there might be some medical I haven't confirmed that yet,
Speaker 3: so I'm not going to say it specifically.
Speaker 6: There might be a medical leader that's a question mark,
Speaker 6: you know, if you start to see him slide, that
Speaker 6: might be why you need Kyle.
Speaker 7: I love that.
Speaker 1: I need more than one guy. Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: You need more than one.
Speaker 6: Stop and I respect what you're saying. Who's the best
Speaker 6: player on your defense? Who's the best player, who's the
Speaker 6: best player on defense? Okay, who's your second best player
Speaker 6: on what positions do they play?
Speaker 3: That's interesting?
Speaker 6: What about like playmaking positions. Let's talk about like linebacker,
Speaker 6: ed rusher, corner, who's your best player.
Speaker 7: At skill positions when healthy? This is a team effort, Kyle.
Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: You don't have You don't have cornerstone pieces to build around,
Speaker 6: and I don't and you have it, you don't.
Speaker 3: You have six names. I don't think that's what they're
Speaker 3: looking for. I think they're I think they're looking for
Speaker 3: I agree, I disagree.
Speaker 7: I agree they don't have the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have cornerstones.
Speaker 5: But like if you have a corner, some of that
Speaker 5: cornerstone gets hurt and you look behind them, ain't nobody there?
Speaker 3: Then what? That's football, that's part of That's what I do.
Speaker 3: Get hurt, that's the same gets hurt. That's the same.
Speaker 3: I got another quarterback, Sam? How you're talking about Sam?
Speaker 7: How listen? I think that I think there's cornerstones, and
Speaker 7: then they'll worry about the depth. Day three U df
Speaker 7: A free agency post draft type stuff. I don't think
Speaker 7: they're going into this draft saying we need to identify
Speaker 7: uh depth.
Speaker 5: I'm not talking about your brownies. I'm talking about not
Speaker 5: You might not get your number one player the boy,
Speaker 5: but you might get your second or third and he's
Speaker 5: still in your mind. Well right, totally, But don't give
Speaker 5: up your draft equity to go grab the number one
Speaker 5: guy and then you have nothing else to go grab
Speaker 5: because that's what it's going to require.
Speaker 7: So you see, you're saying draft equity, and this is
Speaker 7: what I won't ever have.
Speaker 5: To top twenty picks, but use them. You can have
Speaker 5: a top ten, top forty. It can reach and go
Speaker 5: get a player. And I say reach because you actually
Speaker 5: have to go up and grab the person, not reaching,
Speaker 5: meaning that that's outside of what you're cap doing.
Speaker 1: You have to reach and go grab a person.
Speaker 3: You're not gonna have the twentieth pick anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have thirty nine past the equity? Have you
Speaker 1: currently have two first round picks? Why the top twenty
Speaker 1: you need those?
Speaker 7: Why are so many stick let future picks to be
Speaker 7: factored into the trade Because.
Speaker 1: You don't have them.
Speaker 3: You do, and not only do you Davin Jones is negotiating.
Speaker 7: The Cowboy, And with that being said, the Cowboys have
Speaker 7: shown a proclivity recently last couple of off seasons to
Speaker 7: be willing more than more than I've seen in recent history,
Speaker 7: to give up future picks to try to improve this
Speaker 7: year's draft.
Speaker 1: So I say that to say the evidence is there
Speaker 1: on that side.
Speaker 5: Of the kind of the evidence is because we heard
Speaker 5: that conversation going into this offseason and we still have
Speaker 5: two top twenty picks. Well, you got two top twenty
Speaker 5: picks because also you still have two weeks into the draft.
Speaker 5: So I mean my point is saying, my point being,
Speaker 5: we didn't think that we're gonna be sitting here with
Speaker 5: two tops right before the draft start.
Speaker 3: That's stopped taking the beginning of the off season.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I understand, but that's what gives That's what gives
Speaker 6: you the arsenal to go get you a doc.
Speaker 7: Let's I'm just saying, let's stop taking twenty twenty seven
Speaker 7: picks out of the equation for some reason, because for
Speaker 7: some reason, the crux of those arguments who say, well,
Speaker 7: you don't move what because you want at least your
Speaker 7: two picks that you have, you too.
Speaker 5: What is it in order to give up a top
Speaker 5: twenty pick this year's draft. Right is what if you're
Speaker 5: an organization and Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones call you,
Speaker 5: what do you need in return.
Speaker 1: For yes, you know that's a conversation. What no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's on the phone.
Speaker 3: What does no C? What does no C need? Where
Speaker 3: does the conversation? I'll give you the break to think
Speaker 3: about it.
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Speaker 6: All right, welcome back, all rocking back into our discussion
Speaker 6: that has lasted three segments. For Patrick, what would it
Speaker 6: take for you to give up twenty to another player
Speaker 6: or to another team again as twelve or twenty? Who's
Speaker 6: on the phone and what players are on the board?
Speaker 1: This is not a cutting dry It's not a cutting
Speaker 1: dry answer.
Speaker 5: What do you what's the conversation starts with I need
Speaker 5: the at least this in return?
Speaker 1: What is it if you where you hold on? Hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on? You asked, who's still on the board, who's
Speaker 1: at twenty? At twenty.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, he's starting at twenty. Who wants
Speaker 5: to reach and go grab somebody? In this scenario, I
Speaker 5: don't see if I want to reach. I don't foresee
Speaker 5: Dallas reaching from twelve to go grab somebody. I'll see
Speaker 5: them sticking at twelve, but after twelve they might reach
Speaker 5: from twenty to maybe fifteen or sixteen. If you're a
Speaker 5: team and you're sitting at sixteen, right and Dallas calls you,
Speaker 5: a conversation starts.
Speaker 1: At what I want your second round pick?
Speaker 3: You need more than that, I know, but that's you said.
Speaker 5: The conversation starts at So I'm gonna say it is
Speaker 5: I'm swapping, swapping sixteen and total started the conversation, and
Speaker 5: you get swapping and second round pick.
Speaker 1: That's the starter of the conversation. That's the come on
Speaker 1: what you're good with that?
Speaker 6: No saying come on, like we what are we trying
Speaker 6: to do here? We're trying to revamp The depth is great.
Speaker 3: I love that question. But adding depth should have happened
Speaker 3: a while ago. It should have happened. We should be talking.
Speaker 1: About depth at twenty exactly, we should be talking about
Speaker 1: corners still safe death.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about having talent across the board. What we
Speaker 5: tend to do whenever draft comes around is we want
Speaker 5: to get that one dog, right, that one guy that
Speaker 5: we absolutely know.
Speaker 3: But in order sometimes when you're sitting at.
Speaker 5: Twelve to have that absolute dog, you got to give
Speaker 5: up some of your other pieces that would have allowed
Speaker 5: for you to spread the talent out evenly. You don't
Speaker 5: want to find yourself back. I think Dallas, the Cowboys organization,
Speaker 5: is getting away from having just that one premier guy
Speaker 5: and not having anybody else across the board that can
Speaker 5: make contributions. I think that they're headed towards having talented
Speaker 5: guys all across the defense that can make contributions from
Speaker 5: every angle, instead of saying, Josh, we gotta.
Speaker 1: Worry about that guy right there.
Speaker 3: Let's figure out a way to shut him down and
Speaker 3: then we're good everywhere else. I don't think that's what
Speaker 3: they want. I don't think they want that anymore.
Speaker 1: No, and I agree with you, I think they're I
Speaker 1: think we're all on the same page that way. But
Speaker 1: I think a trade from twenty to fifteen sixteenes like
Speaker 1: at that point just stick and pick man. At that point,
Speaker 1: if anything, you want to trade before twelve.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if anything, none of us anything, None of us
Speaker 6: are standing here saying they're one dog away, right, Nobody
Speaker 6: is saying that they're at least they're probably three four
Speaker 6: guys from tour Stone guys.
Speaker 3: To go from twelve to six, cow is gonna take
Speaker 3: more than a second rounder. No, that's the like, that's
Speaker 3: the points that like work out together.
Speaker 7: In the twelve is valued that twelve hundred points five,
Speaker 7: which is well six. Cleveland is valued at sixteen hundred points,
Speaker 7: four hundred point difference. Cleveland's second round pick is worth
Speaker 7: five ten.
Speaker 3: You can make it work.
Speaker 1: You can make it work.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: You could make it work. I don't they're going to
Speaker 7: look at you and be like, hey, this is a
Speaker 7: slight overpay. You can make it.
Speaker 1: Are you keeping twenty?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 1: At that point, so you want to trade up from twelve? Right,
Speaker 1: you want to trade up from twelve?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the conversation starts at six.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to three because that's that's where we
Speaker 6: would get in to what isaiahs talker, kind of wagering
Speaker 6: your future. Yeah, I don't think you're wagering your future
Speaker 6: if you're flipping twelve and twenty for six and thirty
Speaker 6: thirty nine, that that doesn't hurt you as much as
Speaker 6: it would if you're wagering this year, next year, a player,
Speaker 6: whatever it may be, to move up to three, and
Speaker 6: then go get a guy that you might want. No, no, no,
Speaker 6: See what happens in the first five picks. If one
Speaker 6: of those six names is going to be there, whichever
Speaker 6: one you value the higher, then you get on the
Speaker 6: phone and see if you can work something up. Don't
Speaker 6: get overpaid or over taxed or whatever it may be.
Speaker 6: Don't do something dumb. But if it's within realm of
Speaker 6: possibility and you're not going to wager your entire draft
Speaker 6: to do it, go get yourself a dog.
Speaker 3: That's where I'm at. I'm not just wagering everything the way.
Speaker 3: I like your approach. I just don't think that other
Speaker 3: teams are going to receive it that way.
Speaker 6: Is Cleveland has already been vocal about wanting to trade
Speaker 6: out though. That's why that's a that's been a conversation.
Speaker 7: Also, the problem was you were never going to fill
Speaker 7: all of these needs in the draft, which is why
Speaker 7: you need it to attack free agency a certain way,
Speaker 7: which is why it's unfortunate that it's April ninth and
Speaker 7: you haven't addressed the line, but haven't been able to
Speaker 7: address the linebacker situation.
Speaker 3: We're in this spot because you so there you go.
Speaker 6: If they would have addressed free agency the way that
Speaker 6: I think all of us anticipated them, you would address it,
Speaker 6: we would be having this.
Speaker 3: We'd say, Wow, what is twelve gonna be? And what
Speaker 3: is twenty going to be? Now you've got to maneuver
Speaker 3: to make it assay?
Speaker 1: Still still two weeks?
Speaker 3: There are two weeks way two weeks?
Speaker 6: All right, that doesn't for us. You're on top and Cowboys,
Speaker 6: hope you have fun. We're going to be back at
Speaker 6: our normal time next week ten am Tuesday.
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