WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Mr. Cruel 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:17.720 Thinking Sideways. I don't know stories of things we simply 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:22.960 don't know the answer to. Hey, guys, welcome to another 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:29.320 episode of Thinking Sideways the podcasts that podcast. I am Devin, 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:35.120 joined this week by Joe and Steve. And today we're 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:38.239 going to talk about a mystery that I've dubbed the 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:43.160 most Disturbing Drawing. It took me a while to figure 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:45.360 out that that was a drawing. I thought it was 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:49.480 a weird art project. No, it's a drawing. Yeah, that one. Yeah. Yeah. 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:53.080 So this actually was a suggestion by j W and 0:00:53.159 --> 0:01:00.360 July of two thousand tune two years ago, and so 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:05.200 hopefully j W still listens, and so thank you or relationship. 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:09.000 And actually we're going to talk about the mystery of 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:15.959 Mr Cruel now as cruel as in cruel ye, fair warning. 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.920 As the name implies, this case involves some really horrible 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:23.800 crimes against young girls, girls, actual girls. Yeah, and we 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.560 are going to be going into details. So this is 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:31.200 our standards, small ears warning you, I'm out of here. 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.000 We should have a sound effect for that or something. 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:35.440 I'll tell you right on that. Okay, can it be 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.560 like that earthquake noise by standard go to is always 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:42.520 a cat meal. So the idea of like the to 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:44.959 get this sounded like a bunch of kids yelling and 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.000 terror and the stampeding noise as they answered the room. 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:50.560 Is it like the Charlie Brown stampede when they all 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:55.920 run through. Yeah, I get right on that edge. General 0:01:56.080 --> 0:02:01.240 overview of this case is Mr Cruel still one hundred 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:09.280 percent unknown officially, officially one unidentified man and general owner 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.720 of one of the absolutely most terrifying police sketches of 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:17.720 all times ever. M abducted, abducted, and raped three girls 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:22.880 and possibly killed a fourth. He left literally no forensic 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:27.760 evidence behind and was incredibly meticulous. Uh. And the police 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:32.000 have identified seven suspects that they have literally no reason 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.560 to confirm or to rule out. I think this was 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.880 a case of just kind of rounding up the usual suspects. Well, 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.440 we'll talk about this when we get to it. But 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:45.440 they interviewed a lot of people. Yeah, the police actually 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:49.720 think that, um, Mr Cruel is linked to another dozen 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.480 or so attacks on children in the area. And um, 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:59.800 all of these attacks are from the northern suburbs of Melbourne. Melbourne, right, 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:05.160 gonna get angry emails? Yeah, come on, it's Melbourne. Yeah. 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.720 So we're gonna just dive right in and um talk 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.959 about this. And I'm gonna just go ahead and say, 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:13.640 the reading you're going to do about this stuff online 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.919 is about like four paragraphs long. It's like a paragraph 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:21.800 per victim, victim, thank you. But we have more than that. 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:23.840 And actually, frankly, I thought this was going to be 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.480 a breathe of a topic for me because when I 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.440 first started doing my research, that's all I could find. 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.400 And then I found this one kind of treasure trove 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:34.800 in that the police in Australia have very recently within 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:37.320 i think it was the last year, even released all 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:42.280 of their documents to certain media outlets in Australia. We 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.600 spent this many years. It's been like three decades. So 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:48.600 we have a lot of details about these and we 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.880 are going to go into it. So again, small years 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.760 or you know whatever, let's go chronologically, Okay, Okay, it's 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.440 a good way to go. Yeah, it's also the way 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.360 that everybody on the internet goes, and the other way 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:05.560 confuses me. At about four am on August seven, in 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:11.520 Lower Plenty, which is again a suburb of Melbourne, Melbourne, Melbourne, Melbourne, 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:16.960 I've mentioned before, a man wearing a terrifying lady tailored 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:22.120 bala clava. I'm gonna say he mask the rest of 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.880 the time broke into a family's home. The identities of 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.520 this family is officially withheld. And I'm sure that somewhere 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.040 I saw it, and somewhere you can find it if 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.680 you dig enough. But let's just be respectful in these families. Man, 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:39.320 that sounds fair. But their name, her name is okay. 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.360 Police have dubbed this victim Jill. That is not her 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:47.120 real name. The masked man gained access by quote removing 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:50.000 a pane of glass unquote from a window in the 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.960 living room, though I'm not totally clear how he did that. 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:57.279 I actually think I know how that It wasn't great. No, 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:01.000 I'm guessing that this is an older, single gold pane window, 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:05.000 and the putty on windows like that, it's pretty easy 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.680 to cut with a razor. So you cut the putty 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:09.760 and just peel it away and then the pane just 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.760 falls out. I replaced window panes. It kind of depends 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:14.280 on how old the petty is. I tried it at 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.040 my house, which is like ninety years old, and that 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.159 stuff sets up hard as a rock, right, Well, it 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:19.880 depends on what people use. I mean, I know people 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.919 who have used silicone cocking to seal in windows and 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:26.200 that stuff that doesn't hard enough. So it really depends 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.880 on what they're using. But that's that's how I presumed 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.440 this is also Australia. They might use silly petty down there. 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.920 We don't know, that would be silly. Yeah, but this 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.000 guy reminds me of the the acxim out of New Orleans, 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.159 because that's how he was getting on trade his his 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.600 victim's homes. Well, no, actually he wants your doors. But 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.000 there were framing panel doors, and so he was and 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.760 it's ready to take one of the panels of the panels, 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:51.920 and then and then we shot an unlocking door from 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.000 the inside. Yeah. Well, the reason and the reason I 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:57.480 say it wasn't broken is because the parents didn't wake up. 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.720 This is a family home. It was the parents and 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.240 then two girls. They had two daughters, and the parents 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:09.279 were woken up by the masked man brandishing a large 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:14.520 knife and a gun in the face of the basically 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:18.560 while they were asleep in bed. Yeah. Yeah, I had 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:20.040 a thing for that. I mean, I know he tapped 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:22.000 somebody on the head with a knife ones to wake 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.800 them up on the forehead and the next one. Yeah, 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.160 And before we go much further, I'm just going to 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.920 go ahead and like cite my source on this, because 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:35.040 it it does totally of pure legit. I have found 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.840 stuff to back up the fact that this was one 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:41.359 of the sources that the police gave the information to. However, 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.640 I also know it's a tabloid. Just fair warning. The 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:50.400 Harold Son in Australia, in Melbourne is the primary source 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.800 for this information. Wait, I thought it was The Sun 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.720 in Britain. Was the tabloid the Harold's Son? When I 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:00.320 did some googling on it, it said it was It's 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.640 a morning tabloid. Like I said, I can't keep them straight, right. 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.560 But but as Joe said when we were having this 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:09.120 kind of discussion earlier this week, when I said, can 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.280 I actually use this as a source of Joe said, 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:16.280 sometimes sometimes tabloids are right, and I think this is 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:17.960 one of the instances of that. And so I just 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.840 wanted to go ahead and clearly say this could all 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:24.680 be total fabrication, but I believe it. So, this unnamed 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:28.760 family says that Mr Cruel had a knife and a gun, 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:32.120 handcuffs and nylon cord as well as a small bag 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.560 wrapped around his waist. When he woke the parents up, 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.920 he handcuffed them. He told them to roll on their back. 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:42.720 He kind of represented represented himself as a thief, had 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.520 them roll on their back or on their stomach, sorry, 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.840 and handcuffed their hands behind their backs. And then oh, 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.240 I'm sorry, I got this family confused with a different one. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.000 There's a daughter and a son in this family. So 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:58.280 Mr Cruel then goes into the boy's room, who this 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.360 article says is eight, but I've seen other sources say 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.680 the boy was six. I've also said other sources say 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:05.800 that they were in the same room, So I'm not 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.640 totally sure what I think. This is an issue with 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.560 a lot of these kind of stories where there's um 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:17.480 mixing of characters accidentally. Yes, either way, he goes and 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:21.000 wakes both of the children up and brings brings them 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.800 also into the master bedroom where the parents are laying handcuffed. 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:29.080 He unhandcuffs the parents one at a time and then 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:33.200 basically like hog ties them with what's always described as 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:37.240 an unusual sailors not or not that somebody who's used 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:41.240 to quote unquote tying large loads would use. I think 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:42.960 that just means that that's a person who knows how 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:47.000 to tie notts something. Yeah, I don't know, but that 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.760 nobody ever says what nobody ever says what the not is? No, 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:54.840 he hog ties them. Then he blindfolds the parents and 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:58.000 gags them with tape which is either electrical or surgical, 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:01.520 again depending on the source of the story. Mr Cruel 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:05.000 then ties the boy to the bed with nylon cord, 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.880 blindfolds and gags him with the same tape. And then 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:12.040 the girl was blindfolded and maybe gagged but maybe not 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.400 as well. And this is you know, surgical tape straight 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.440 on the eyes, so like not comfortable for any anybody involved. 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:21.880 He says he's a robber. He says he wants cash 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.680 and also a first aid kit. He also said he 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.200 was going to take a shower and take some of 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.680 the father's clothes because he was a similar size to 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.680 the father, and he also wanted to shave, and he 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.400 wanted some food. Mr Cruel took some clothes out of 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:38.199 the wardrobe that was in the parents bedroom and then 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:42.720 told the parents to get into the wardrobe. He covered 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:46.040 them with a blanket. He then apparently tried to use 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.880 the phone in the bedroom, but it didn't connect, although 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.760 again I'm not I'm not totally clear on how. I mean, 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:55.280 they were blindfolded and covered with a blanket, so I'm 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:57.520 not really sure how. I feel like there was a 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:02.000 not a lot of narration by perpetrator going on. All right, 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:07.360 I've got a call hello click back in the back 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:09.200 in the day too, that when people actually had phones 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.160 that had handsets that went into the receiver, so everybody 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.240 knew what the sound of a phone being. Yeah, I 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.000 just wasn't sure how well you would be able to 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.080 hear that necessary if you had a hard time with 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.679 it with your dial tone. Don't know if you guys 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:25.000 remember the buttons a few times, so maybe that's what 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.440 he was doing, was hitting the button so it didn't connect. 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:31.760 And then Mr Cruel went to check all of the 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.199 other rooms in the house. And then he came back 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:37.319 and actually placed a call, this time which apparently connected. 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:43.000 During this connected connected. Yeah, during this call, he called 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:46.000 someone a bozo and threatened the person on the other line, 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.000 telling them that they'd have to move their own kids 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.640 or something of that nature. After he hung up, he 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.800 closed the wardrobe door and locked the parents in. Then 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:57.600 he turned on a radio in the master bedroom very 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:00.840 very loudly to a station that is identified, and then 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:03.440 took the girl into the bathroom. And this is where 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:06.839 they're not nice stuff begins. Yes, it actually turned out 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.760 that this was his real motive. He was not there 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.160 to be a thief, though he did take a few 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.520 items from the house, but his real motive was to 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:19.080 rape an assault the eleven year old girl who He 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.120 did this over the course of two hours. He carried 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:25.200 out his attack on the girl kind of over this 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:29.120 course of two hours, mostly in the bathroom, but also 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.760 in the lounge room. He took breaks to rummage through 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.440 the family's belongings. He took a break to eat some 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:38.760 cold Lamb biscuits, milk, and orange juice. He made the 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:42.960 girl floss and brush her teeth and bathe twice once 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.480 after the first assault and then once right before he 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:51.200 left the house, which basically obliterated all forensic evidence that 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:57.920 would have existed of his attack on her. Yeah. Yeah, 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:02.400 General Hospital then took her to a spare bedroom after 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:07.600 two hours, loosely tied her up on the bed and 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.040 told her that she could count to one hundred and 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.679 then free herself and her family. She told the police 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:15.719 that she waited to hear the door close and then 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:19.439 rand free her parents and as I said, they her 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.160 name is not Jill. She's identified as Jill. That's not 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.880 her actual name. But there are reports that Mr Cruel 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:28.560 called her Kate a number of times, which is also 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.600 not her name, nor is it represented that that's close 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.559 to her name. So he was calling her the wrong name. 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.000 What do it mean? I bet the police thought about 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:39.800 that a lot, and I think they did. Yeah, he 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.319 actually had asked her name when the whole family was 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:44.720 tied up in the master bedroom, so he was given 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.200 her actual real name, But he was calling her Kate, 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:51.200 which probably means something, but we don't know what. Yeah. 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.680 Obviously the police were called immediately. They found, as I 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:58.360 bet you can guess, almost zero evidence or clues. When 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.320 the family said that Mr Rule had placed a phone call, 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.000 they actually thought, you know, of course this phone number 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.680 dialed could at least lead us to a person who 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.600 had a conversation with Mr Cruel, But it turned out 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.680 that a call had never actually been placed, that Mr 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.680 Cruel had faked it, which is why he had you know, 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.960 blindfolded everyone before he placed this call, he picked up 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.920 the receiver and maybe dial like he there was no 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.000 number that connected. He must have picked up the receiver 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.680 and you know, pushed the the things back down what 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:33.760 are those things called the receiver button backed down so 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:35.560 that it didn't actually place a call, and then dial 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.559 the call and totally fabricated a half of a conversation 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.360 just to throw everybody off the trail, which is which 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:48.480 it does end up. The whole kit thing was probably deliberate. 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.600 I would guess that as well, that it was deliberate. Yeah, 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:55.200 And I also have the impression that Mr Cruel was 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.960 intentionally trying to give the impression that the rape of 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.200 the eleven year old girl was actually a cry of 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:05.520 opportunity instead of a meticulously planned crime, which it actually was. 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:07.400 You know, that he was trying to give the impression 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.760 that he just broke in and then happened to see 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.120 an eleven year old girl and rape her because she 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.400 was well, since I'm here, right, and then you know, 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:19.440 leave with stuff. But he didn't steal enough stuff for 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:21.760 that to make sense. There was like very little value 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.520 in what he stole, well plus two hours, you know, 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.120 even for a crime of opportunity. Seems like a lot 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:31.000 of times a girl. Yeah, yeah, I actually think that 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.680 a lot of that time was spent in cleaning her. 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.960 Could have been Yeah, if he's as meticulous as he 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.800 seems to be, and based on things that happened later on, 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:44.120 I have a feeling that a knowing a man's biology 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:47.240 and be knowing how long it probably takes to clean 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.600 somebody thoroughly to your satisfaction. For a guy that goes 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:54.400 to these lengths, he probably spent a lot of time 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:58.440 scrubbing this girl down. Yeah, and that I think that's accurate. 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:02.040 The other really interest same thing here is that despite 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.160 the mask, the family was able to give kind of 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:09.760 a description. They described the man as about five eight 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:14.600 to five eleven, about Steve's hite. Yeah, slim build with 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:19.720 brownish grayish whitish hair not like me, and uh, bushy 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.960 gray eyebrows. I'm not totally sure how that was. I 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:27.520 guess it maybe was sticking through the mask. They're kind 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:31.160 of knit. Well, No, the eyeholes. That's why that drawing 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.760 is so scary is because he had actually tailored it, 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:39.160 so the eye holes were literally just there, maybe quarter 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.840 size holes that he had sewn together with white there 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:46.400 it was a navy blue mask that he used white 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:50.120 material on, and then he had actually sown yeah sorry, 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.520 white thread on and then so you can see the 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.240 stitch marks that kind of looks like a coralined all almost, 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.520 and then he'd actually sewn basically like netting or something 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:03.040 behind the eyes and the mouth so they would further 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.800 protect him from leaving any kind of hair. Was like 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:09.800 Spider Man's mask, yeah, but way scarier. The mouth hoole 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:11.760 was also just a quarters I mean, it was just 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.880 three quarter size holes in this mask. It was it's 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:19.240 super super creepy, super creepy. So but I would assume 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.320 that maybe there was some hair sticking out through his 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.080 mask somewhere, which he could have actually like you know, 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.760 placed in there as another red herring. He could have. 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:31.040 It's true, absolutely could have, despite the grayish whitish hair 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:34.440 and bushy gray eyebrows. They said that they thought that 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:37.960 Mr Cruel was actually in his mid twenties. He apparently 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:42.440 had musty smelling breath. He did eat lamb biscuits, milk, 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.640 and orange juice. Well he had musty breath before then, 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:52.000 well he might have had lamb. And then he apparently 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:56.000 also had a deep gruff voice that sounded uneducated, and 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.120 they said he had no accent, which of course means 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.960 he had an Australian accent. He had an accent appropriate 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.280 for the area. With almost nothing to go on, this 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.120 case went cold quickly and it seemed to have been 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:12.280 a one, one time attack. There was some speculation again 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.520 that Mr Cruel had actually seen the family in a 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:19.000 newspaper because they had been featured a couple of weeks before. 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:22.920 Was that article about I don't know we're hearing about 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:27.440 I suspect they don't talk about it because yeah, yeah, 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.720 well this is not the only time that somebody is 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:33.280 supposedly in the paper ahead of time. No it's not, 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:38.080 it's not. Let's talk about that, because despite the you know, 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.199 apparent one time nature of this attack, it turns out, no, 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.879 that's not the case. Unfortunately happen. Yeah, a year and 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:53.479 a few months later, in December. On December, the police 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:57.480 found out that Mr Cruel was actually a serial offender. 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:02.480 The previous night on the six the Will's family was comprised, 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.440 which is comprised of John and Julie and their four daughters. 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.960 We're on their way home. They lived in Ringwood, which 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:12.920 is another suburb of Melbourne, and they apparently arrived home 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.880 at PM. The girls, of course, went promptly to bed. 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:20.720 The oldest one was ten. Her name is Sharon, so 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:22.960 they were young. That was late. That's late to be up. 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:25.920 The girls all slept in one room on two sets 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.800 of bunk beds, and then John and Julie say that 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:31.040 they stayed up and tell about one am. And then 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.160 John tried to go to sleep, but he couldn't, so 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.360 he got up and did a puzzle and tell about 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:40.480 four fifty am. He says, it's so weird. I'll put 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.320 your right to sleep. That's a weird thing to do. 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.560 I mean, I guess this is before the internet, so 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:49.760 dinking around on Facebook or whatever is in an option. 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:52.080 But I wouldn't think to just sit up in the 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.800 middle of the night and put together a puzzle. I 0:18:54.800 --> 0:19:00.679 would because it's boring. You might go to sleep, you know. 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:08.879 I mean to be kind of some people are into people, Okay, okay, anyway, 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:15.640 almost exactly thirty minutes later, so at Mr Cruel came 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:19.600 bursting in to John and Julie's bedroom. He just threw 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:22.200 the light on and brandished a gun. He was still 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:25.560 wearing that same navy blue mask. Julie screamed, but Mr 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:27.840 Cruel said that he was going to shoot John if 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.439 she didn't stop, so she stopped because she loves her husband. 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:33.800 He then had them, just like the last couple, lie 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.720 on their stomachs and bound their wrists. This time he 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.520 didn't put them in handcuffs first. He just immediately hog 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.280 tied them. I guess there's not hog tying because there's 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:44.639 no there was no connection between the arms and legs. 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:48.240 But he found their arms and legs with copper electrical 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:51.200 wire with the same unique knot. Again, he claimed to 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.600 be a thief. He then entered the girl's room. Sharon 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:57.800 was the oldest of the four girls. She was ten. 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:01.080 She was taken from her bed and I heard I 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:03.879 read her account and she said she was awoken by 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.520 her mom's scream but just kind of laid in her bed, 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.880 and then she heard Mr Cruel come into her room 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.880 and she pretended to be asleep still, which is smart, right, 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:15.679 And he left and she heard him walk around the 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:17.840 house and then come back and say, Sharon, get up. 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:21.639 So he knew her name, and so at that point 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.120 she was like, Okay, I have to get up, So 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:27.240 she got up, and he did not ask the parents 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:31.960 what the kid's names were, not reportedly. Mr Cruel selected 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:34.560 some of her clothes to take with him, then took 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.719 Sharon out into the living room, grabbed one of John's 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:39.920 coats and had her put it on over her nighty, 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:43.480 and then carried her outside and put her down. When 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:45.800 he put her down, she started to scream again. So 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:49.040 he actually shoved a ball into her mouth, which is yeah, well, 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:50.880 it was just a ball. It was like a rubber ball, 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:54.680 but you'll see people describe it as a ball gag, 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:58.080 which is a different thing these days. Yeah, he's depending 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.320 on the community you frequent. Yes, he said, if you 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:04.119 promise not scream, I'll take that ball out, and she 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:08.720 said yeah. So he took the ball out, and then 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.040 he blindfolded her, maybe with tape, maybe with something else, 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:15.160 and then placed some material she thought was like tied 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:19.400 or glued together over her head over the blindfold that 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:22.080 we that she thinks was tape. He tried to confuse 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.640 her by sometimes carrying her and sometimes making her walk 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:27.080 until they got to a car. So this one is 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:29.840 already different in that the last attack took place in 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:33.919 the home this time, he's actually abducting Sharon, taking her 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:37.480 somewhere else, taking her somewhere else. He put Sharon in 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:39.480 the passenger side of the car and had her get 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:42.639 on the floor of the passenger side. Sharon said that 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:45.920 she thought it was an old car, and he drove 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:48.600 for a little bit and then paused and said, Sharon, 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:52.560 can you see And she said yes because she could, 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:57.520 And so he reinforced her blindfold um by like taping 0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:00.040 it tighter, and then put a blanket over her. To 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:02.479 keep shaking my head. It's mostly because I just I know, 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:07.280 I know, I know. He He continued to reassure her 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:09.960 that he wasn't going to hurt her again. Kind of 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:12.719 this weird. I don't know why you're telling her this, 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:14.719 but I think he didn't want her to be scared. 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:16.880 I guess. I'm not sure what a guy. He's trying 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:20.400 to encourage complacence. So it's interesting and we'll talk about 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:22.639 this at the end when we talked about how Sharon 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.920 described him. But there's some interesting stuff going on here. 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:28.399 But he just said he was going to ransom her 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:31.359 for money, basically, So don't worry, I'm not gonna hurt you. 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:33.199 I'm not gonna hurt you. I just kidnapped you. I 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:36.200 just want money. Well, that's always reassuring. This, of course, 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:39.320 turned out to be not true. He unloaded her from 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:41.480 the car and carried her into the house and laid 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:43.800 her on the bed. She was able to describe the 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:45.800 house in detail. I'm not going to go too far, 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:49.320 but she counted how many steps it took for her 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:52.320 to get from the car two stairs, and then counted 0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:55.000 how many steps up it was to the house, and 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.879