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Speaker 4: so frame this for us. Nagasaki, the Japanese got hit

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Speaker 7: Well, box car which took off to bomb Nagasaki. In fact,

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Speaker 7: indo Pacific concept that we're now trying to maintain again.

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Speaker 7: So how do we how do we prioritize what to

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Speaker 7: fight for?

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Speaker 4: How do we make it explicit?

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Speaker 7: I think we need to do it again so we

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Speaker 7: know where we're trying to head. So if we do

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Speaker 7: have to fight, we know where the limits are and

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Speaker 7: what the goals are, and you don't end up in

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Speaker 7: this sort of endless war that we're seeing again.

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Speaker 4: Cleo, can you hang on? Doctor Thayer? Tom Dance is

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Speaker 4: going to join us. We've got Dave Bratt on a

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Speaker 4: Saturday Morning Wars and the Rumors War in the eightieth

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Speaker 4: commemoration with the bombing and Nagasaki back in a moment confuse,

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Speaker 4: host Stephen k Bat, Dave Brat, can you pick up

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Speaker 4: on clear Pascal's a brilliance right there about the American

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Speaker 4: way went about ending wars. Because this is what we're

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Speaker 4: talking about here, folks. Let me be blunt. America first

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Speaker 4: is about taking care of business here. But we're not isolationists.

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Speaker 4: The first thing we have to do is extract ourselves

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Speaker 4: from these bloody conflicts in the Middle East and in

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Speaker 4: Eastern Europe that are not in the vital national security

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Speaker 4: interests in the United States. I'm just sorry they're not.

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Speaker 4: So we have to do that, and we have to

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Speaker 4: focus on hemispheric defense, and we have to prioritize as adults,

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Speaker 4: particularly against the existential threat we have, which is the

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Speaker 4: Chinese Communist Party. Dave Brat your thoughts.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, well, thank god for experts like Bradley and Cleo.

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Speaker 13: They're right on the money.

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Speaker 12: I'll just connect a couple dots starting up Bradley at

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Speaker 12: the japan established. Beware of the establishment versus the wisdom

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Speaker 12: of the emperor. Right, who's chosen probably has more historical awareness,

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Speaker 12: and the establishment always wants war.

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Speaker 13: That brings us to Zelensky and that.

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Speaker 12: Choice, the choice, there's no choice for peace anymore, right,

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Speaker 12: the establishment news media in this country never shows you

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Speaker 12: the exact choice. He had a choice, you know, a

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Speaker 12: year or two back, maybe for giving up you know,

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Speaker 12: a bit of the South and maybe a couple of

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Speaker 12: the Bletsks regions.

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Speaker 13: Small territories.

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Speaker 12: Now, the deal for Zelenski is Kiev or no Kiev. Right,

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Speaker 12: it's not a peace deal, it's the survival of Ukraine.

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Speaker 12: And the idea that this you know, unelected person gets

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Speaker 12: to choose is way off base. And then finally our

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Speaker 12: US establishment to bring us up to the modern day,

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Speaker 12: what happens when the dog catches the car? Okay, so

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Speaker 12: our establishment actually wants to go to war against Russia.

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Speaker 12: We're shooting missiles five hundred miles in. What's the plan?

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Speaker 12: Our establishment? It lead us in the news, don't tell

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Speaker 12: us that. What's the choice there?

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Speaker 13: What are we going to do?

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Speaker 12: Take Russia and break it up into five pieces? And

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Speaker 12: then what how's that go? Talk about the war of obliteration?

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Speaker 12: And so that ties into Alaska. If we do a

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Speaker 12: reprochma with Russia, which would be a very intelligent thing

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Speaker 12: to do, then the Alaska piece probably fades off into

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Speaker 12: some deal. You know, that's their key interest if they

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Speaker 12: want to go ahead to head with us, and we're

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Speaker 12: still abstracting from China. But yes, President Trump should not

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Speaker 12: be led by the CIA and the establishment who were

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Speaker 12: out to get him, who are out to get you.

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Speaker 13: He knows all this now, but he's got a.

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Speaker 12: Ton of powerful people pushing him, and everybody pushed right,

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Speaker 12: They pushed us to lie on the NATO expansion back

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Speaker 12: in ninety one. Seventeen countries later, we're at the end

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Speaker 12: of the line with Ukraine and Trump does not want

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Speaker 12: to go there. So expert commentary from the experts.

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Speaker 4: Let's bring in Tom Dan's I want to talk about Alaska.

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Speaker 4: In fact, you mentioned with clear is this set a

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Speaker 4: moment ago about the Billy Mitchell comment strategic I think

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Speaker 4: the governor Alaska picked up your comment and put it

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Speaker 4: up on Twitter today. Alaska is central to Hemisphere defense

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Speaker 4: and folks, you know, and you had John Bolton on

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Speaker 4: last night, you had you had excuse me, Biden's former

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Speaker 4: national security advisors on TV NonStop saying, oh, this is

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Speaker 4: a huge defeat for Trump to have putin come to Alaska.

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Speaker 4: What are you talking about? It's absolutely brilliant. People should

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Speaker 4: understand two things that Trump has done that is absolutely brilliant.

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Speaker 4: Number One, he has chosen Alaska right as the place

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Speaker 4: that they will sit down. Number Two, it's on the

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Speaker 4: fifteenth of August. Now what is that. Oh, yeah, that's

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Speaker 4: the eightieth anniversary commemoration of japan surrendering, not the formal

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Speaker 4: document that didn't take place until early September. Paying the

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Speaker 4: Emperor addressing his nation and saying it's over was on

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Speaker 4: the fifteenth of September. Fifteenth of August. And that's why

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Speaker 4: it's very symbolic what President Trump's doing. Tom Dan's Alaska,

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Speaker 4: You've been central to get the American public through the

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Speaker 4: war room up to speed on this. Why is it

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Speaker 4: so brilliant to actually have this meeting between Putin In

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Speaker 4: President Trump in Alaska?

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Speaker 6: Well see the thanks, and it's brilliant.

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Speaker 15: And as you're cold open well showed, it's terrifying to

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Speaker 15: a lot of people who are highly invested in Russia

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Speaker 15: and America being foes and adversaries.

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Speaker 4: It's because really.

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Speaker 15: This is where the US and Russia come together and

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Speaker 15: our history, and both President Trump and President Putin are

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Speaker 15: keen students of history and they get the significance of it.

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Speaker 15: And both countries have a lot in common. And we're

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Speaker 15: not ever allowed to say this. We can't, says Russia

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Speaker 15: and the US. In a sense, we are both pioneer countries.

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Speaker 15: Russia moved eastward, the US moved westward. Alaska is where

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Speaker 15: they met. And remember the context. People have all heard

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Speaker 15: about Sewart's folwges. Let's go back in the history here.

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Speaker 15: We're talking about the purchase of Alaska in eighteen sixty seven. Right,

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Speaker 15: this was started that grew out of Russia's problems coming

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Speaker 15: out of losing the Crimean War. So they were they

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Speaker 15: had some financial difficulties after losing the war against England. Right,

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Speaker 15: So all these things kind of go back in time.

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Speaker 15: At that point in time, they had Alexander the Second

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Speaker 15: the war room. Posse's well, familiar with your admonitions about

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Speaker 15: becoming Russian serfs. Well, guess what happened. Americans all know

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Speaker 15: about the Emancipation Proclamation.

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Speaker 4: Of eighteen sixty two.

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Speaker 15: What they don't know is the emancipation Law of eighteen

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Speaker 15: sixty one was in Russia when they freed the serfs.

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Speaker 15: Alexander the Second, Guess what happened to Lincoln?

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Speaker 4: You got killed.

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Speaker 15: Guess what happened to Alexander the Second, he got killed.

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Speaker 4: Right, So this is.

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Speaker 15: The same kind of dialectic that you've seen throughout history.

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Speaker 15: And our nations came together and made a trade there

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Speaker 15: and it worked for both sides. And you know, it's

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Speaker 15: there's some history there that continued in terms of like

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Speaker 15: where we meet today as we're competing, but we're at

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Speaker 15: our best point when we are competing and cooperating.

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Speaker 4: Dare I say it two Christian nations that would come together.

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Speaker 4: They absolutely hated the elites in this country, hated the

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Speaker 4: elites in Europe hate it, absolutely hated, despise it. They

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Speaker 4: want us at war with each other and not focused

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Speaker 4: on our common enemy, the Chinese Communist Party in Beijing,

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Speaker 4: in the strategic centrality of Alaska and hemispheric defense. It's

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Speaker 4: quite breath takingly brilliant of President Trumpet, and also to

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Speaker 4: put it on fifteen August, on the eightieh commemoration of

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Speaker 4: the Emperor, saying it was over in the Pacific War,

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Speaker 4: Doctor Thayer, any closing thoughts on this, You've done such

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Speaker 4: a great job of putting this together for us and

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Speaker 4: reminding the supportant. We're going to have you on as

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Speaker 4: we do the run up to the fifteenth August summit

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Speaker 4: with Putin, because we're going to remind people of how

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Speaker 4: this is all inrestricably linked because the two great allies

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Speaker 4: of World War Two. Yes, Britain was our allies, absolutely

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Speaker 4: no doubt about that. But the blood that the Russian Army,

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Speaker 4: the Red Army shed is what drained the Wehrmach of

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Speaker 4: their power to really defend the West and allowed us

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Speaker 4: to get to unfortunately not take Berlin for all kinds

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Speaker 4: of political reasons, but to drive across Western Europe and

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Speaker 4: actually be part of the taking down of the Nazis

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Speaker 4: and Adolf Hitler.

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Speaker 14: Sir, well, Steve Alaska's genius from the standpoint of political

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Speaker 14: warfare targeted against the Chinese Communist Party for the reasons

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Speaker 14: that you mentioned, of course, but it also is in

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Speaker 14: August fifteenth as well, the end of the Japanese announcement,

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Speaker 14: announcement that they'd accept the Potsdam Declaration and surrender. But

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Speaker 14: it shows that the door is now opened to a

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Speaker 14: great improvement in the relationship between Russia and the United

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Speaker 14: States against the CCP. So we're going to end one war,

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Speaker 14: a war that really never should have started, the war

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Speaker 14: between Russia and Ukraine, and wouldn't if Trump had been

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Speaker 14: in office.

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Speaker 6: And what we're going to be doing now was moving

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Speaker 6: forward to a great improvement and on taunt in the

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Speaker 6: relationship between Russia and the United States directed against the CCP.

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Speaker 6: So very important, it's just genius from the standpoint of

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Speaker 6: political warfare in terms of the location and in terms

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Speaker 6: of the illumination of the next steps to be taken

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Speaker 6: in the fight against the CCP. So absolute genius.

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Speaker 4: Cleo Pascal. You've done such a great job being out

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Speaker 4: there in that part of the Western Pacific. Now something

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Speaker 4: so monumental is going to happen on the Pacific rim

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Speaker 4: and really reinforce the fact that hemispheric defense is centered

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Speaker 4: on the Pacific. Your closing thoughts, Man.

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Speaker 7: As with the Atlantic Charter at the beginning of the

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Speaker 7: last war, it might be beneficial to start thinking about

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Speaker 7: an Indo Pacific Charter based on what we actually want

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Speaker 7: to see in the Pacific, in which allies are ready

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Speaker 7: to sign on to it. This is something that Congress

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Speaker 7: has been looking at actually for decades. Ben Gilman was

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Speaker 7: appropriated money for it, Congress won to radwag and for

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Speaker 7: American Samoa has been talking about it recently. This has

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Speaker 7: been bubbling around, but basically to say, what is it

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Speaker 7: we would be willing to fight for this time In

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Speaker 7: terms of this, hemispheric defense means to us what allies

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Speaker 7: are on side, how can we help them to fight

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Speaker 7: to defend themselves and ultimately to defend the things that

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Speaker 7: we believe in and we're willing to die for and

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Speaker 7: are willing to die for again. That has to be

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Speaker 7: very clear, not some fuzzy concept or insecurities or on

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Speaker 7: cascade that's out of control. Let's try to make it explicit.

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Speaker 7: Let's talk about it and figure out what it is

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Speaker 7: that is framing the hemispheric defense, to make it so

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Speaker 7: important that we're willing once again to go right up

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Speaker 7: to that line in order to be able to defend it.

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Speaker 4: Cleopascal, what is your social media? People want to follow you?

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Speaker 4: So where they go? Man for your writing, commentary, observations,

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Speaker 4: all of it.

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Speaker 7: I'm on ex just my name Cleopascal, CLO PSKL and

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Speaker 7: again because somebody took my name, I'm Getter. I'm just

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Speaker 7: real Cleo and you can find me in both places.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, ma'am. Your travels. You want to follow Cleo's travels,

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Speaker 4: go to go to UH, go to Getter and go

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Speaker 4: to UH and go to uh Twitter uh. Doctor Bradley Thayer,

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Speaker 4: where do people get you? You're putting up great stuff

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Speaker 4: every day, including notes of h of the Third World War.

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Speaker 4: Because we are in the kinetic part of the Third

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Speaker 4: World war which President Trump is trying to end. MS.

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Speaker 4: Wagner and miss tet over the Financial Times at MSNBC.

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Speaker 4: Where do they go, Sir.

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Speaker 14: Steve brad Thare and X and Bradley theer at Truth

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Speaker 14: and on Getter. Thanks very much Steve for calling attention

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Speaker 14: to this. It's Nagasaki is so important and it reverberates,

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Speaker 14: of course with the strategic problems and concerns and issues

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Speaker 14: that we have today.

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Speaker 13: Thanks.

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Speaker 4: It's it's important, folkss understand you can get fine bombed

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Speaker 4: and then hit with two tactical nuclear weapons and still

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Speaker 4: not be ready to surrender. This is a lesson for

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Speaker 4: President Trump gets that. So thank you so much. Doctor.

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Speaker 4: They look forward to seeing both of you guys next

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Speaker 4: week as we do the run up. Cleo and doctor

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Speaker 4: summit on the fifteenth. I want to thank you guys.

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Speaker 4: Tom Dan's you just got back from Alaska. You'll be

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Speaker 4: part of this coverage too, because you understand the importance

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Speaker 4: the United States of America for a homoseric defense. Where

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Speaker 4: do people go Tom to get all your writings and observations?

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Speaker 15: Sure, thanks, Steve, I'm at on x at Tom Dan's CFA.

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Speaker 4: Thank you brother, look forward to seeing you next week.

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Speaker 4: This caught people like a thunderclap on a clear summer day.

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Speaker 4: The establishment the hatred last night coming at President Trump,

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Speaker 4: a peacemaker. Think about it for a second. He's trying

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Speaker 4: to bring peace to two areas of the world, and

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Speaker 4: I understand. Look, cutter, are I think some of the

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Speaker 4: You just have to embrace that reality, as unfortunate as

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Speaker 4: it is. But to try to do this in the

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Speaker 4: Ukraine War and in the Gods of War, after doing

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Speaker 4: this amazing transaction with Azure Beijan in Armenia, it is

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Speaker 4: to make sure we're not drawn into these wars on

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Speaker 4: the world strategies.

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Speaker 16: For example, this is not so much about democracy, but

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Speaker 16: you're seeing just today there was protests and arrests outside

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Speaker 16: immigration courts here in New York City because people are

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Speaker 16: outraged about the abuse of the way that ICE is

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Speaker 16: abusing the court system to trap people. And so again,

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Speaker 16: I mean, I think that there is no need. You know,

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Speaker 16: we've talked in the show I've been you know, I've

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Speaker 16: been on MSNBC for years and for a long time,

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Speaker 16: we talked about we could be falling into authoritarianism, we

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Speaker 16: could be moving, we could be losing our democracy. I mean,

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Speaker 16: now we're in the authoritarian slide, and the models for

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Speaker 16: reversing that are not simple. People have tried to prosecute

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Speaker 16: Trump for crimes and other sorts of misdeeds, and so

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Speaker 16: there's not an equivalent in him them trying to prosecute

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Speaker 16: the prosecutors for prosecuting him. And so again I don't

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Speaker 16: say I think that trying to be decorous and uphold

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Speaker 16: the norms while this administration goes after them with us.

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Speaker 17: I mean, how it works that case got him elected,

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Speaker 17: I don't know that went that gave him his redemption narrative.

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Speaker 17: You could argue that that case, I think it helped.

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Speaker 17: and it gave him a comeback narrative that his people

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Speaker 17: needed to see after January sixth. So I think that

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Speaker 17: case did a lot for him in the judicial system,

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Speaker 17: for him going and going through it and then being

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Speaker 17: seen as this resurrection figure. So I think that the

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Speaker 17: potency of what happens in the judicial system, I do

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Speaker 17: think it matters when it comes down to the politics

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Speaker 17: of it too, and how the electorate is going to

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Speaker 17: respond at the end of the day.

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Speaker 18: From New York, I'm Maley Belshian for Chris Hayes. Donald

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Speaker 18: Trump campaigned explicitly on a platform of revenge against his enemies,

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Speaker 18: and now he is fulfilling that promise.

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Speaker 11: My pick is another person who's thought about this week,

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Speaker 11: which is the president of Brazil, who said he was

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Speaker 11: not going to humiliate himself by just rolling over in

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Speaker 11: the face of Trump's taris. Instead, he basically is holding firm.

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Speaker 11: And what's particularly significant is Trump is imposing these tariffs

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Speaker 11: not for economic reasons, but because he doesn't like the

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Speaker 11: way that the judicial system in Brazil is going After

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Speaker 11: the former president President Bolcenara. So my pick is Lula

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Speaker 11: from Brazil, who's had the courage to stand up, and

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Speaker 11: let's hope that encourages others.

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Speaker 18: It's kind of rhetoric is nothing new for authoritarians. Benito Mussolini,

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Speaker 18: Italy's fascist dictator for two decades, spoke of Italy's need

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Speaker 18: for an avenger. But the point is the same. I'm

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Speaker 18: going to reward my friends, but more importantly, I am

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Speaker 18: going to punish my enemies. The revenge presidency is here.

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Speaker 4: In some respects. It makes the Lease's point on.

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Speaker 19: Push that these cases, I mean, just start with the

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Speaker 19: first impeachment. The man has weathered all of this stuff

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Speaker 19: and you know he wasn't convicted twice in the Senate

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Speaker 19: on two impeachments. He comes back and he starts says,

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Speaker 19: I started this conversation with I'm your retribution, and to

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Speaker 19: Elisa's both Alisa and Elisa's point, he you know, his

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Speaker 19: followers filled in whatever they wanted on that, and so yes,

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Speaker 19: the retribution, some may think is he's out there fighting

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Speaker 19: for them against this big, bad government. But Donald Trump

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Speaker 19: is fighting for himself and he's winning.

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Speaker 4: So that court narrative.

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Speaker 19: Has played out in sort of a backhanded way to

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Speaker 19: seemingly help him because he's beat the system at every turn.

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Speaker 4: The other meltdown. Last night, I was bet Letitia James

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Speaker 4: and Shifty Shift and these investigations now Grand Juri's criminal

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Speaker 4: Grand Juries have been impaneled. They've given the great Ed

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Speaker 4: Martin is now the prosecutor. He's over the in main

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Speaker 4: Justice as the weaponization czar. He's now after both of

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Speaker 4: these for I think for loan fraud, right, for taking

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Speaker 4: houses that were not their primary residence and getting loans

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Speaker 4: seeing their primary residence. There's much more that's gonna come there.

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Speaker 4: Also what President Trump's doing across the board as he's

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Speaker 4: now winning and going on offense against seditious conspiracy, which

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Speaker 4: they're in total meltdown. This is where we have momentum.

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Speaker 4: We have momentum on redistrictating, we have momentum in the courts.

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Speaker 4: And as anybody will tell you in warfare, you press

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Speaker 4: your bet, you drive it, you drive it, you drive it,

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Speaker 4: Dave Bratt, we're not just winning, we're picking up momentum.

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Speaker 4: We're accelerating at an accelerating rate.

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Speaker 13: Baby, you took my buried lead.

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Speaker 12: I was gonna start with the conclusion first Trump winning

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Speaker 12: coming from MSNBC.

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Speaker 13: I mean, man, it's so good.

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Speaker 4: First all, man, no, I can watch that, We could

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Speaker 4: watch those, We can watch that all day, all day.

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Speaker 13: It's yeah.

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Speaker 12: First off, I want to give a shout out to

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Speaker 12: the Dan's brothers, Paul and Dan. Those guys they got

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Speaker 12: Mit brains, their intellects. They know what freedom and liberty

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Speaker 12: and the USA is all about. So huge shut out

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Speaker 12: to both of the Dan's brothers. Then I'll just start

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Speaker 12: with these clips. I mean they're just so good. I mean,

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Speaker 12: so we First of all, democracy is in jeopardy. We've

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Speaker 12: got a totalitarian dictator. And then she goes on to

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Speaker 12: prover point this is in the context of illegal immigration. Yeah,

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Speaker 12: illegal immigration, and her subtext is all people matter.

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Speaker 13: This census issue is huge. We've got to fix this.

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Speaker 12: Democracy does kind of imply everybody matters. That's why the

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Speaker 12: other day on the show, I brought up we got

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Speaker 12: to switch the language big time and drill down into

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Speaker 12: this constitutional republic where your representatives represent these things called citizens.

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Speaker 12: That's what we got to get back to. Mike Ben's

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Speaker 12: did a deep dive on this a couple of years ago. Right,

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Speaker 12: the US State Department usaid the logic was, and they

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Speaker 12: changed in law or at least through executive order under Biden,

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Speaker 12: the democracy language such that democracy would be defined not

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Speaker 12: by the people but by the institutions set up that

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Speaker 12: protect democracy, including the mainstream media, so that if you

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Speaker 12: went after the mainstream media, you were violating and challenging

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Speaker 12: democracy itself and you could get put behind bars, which

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Speaker 12: you did.

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Speaker 13: So this is just stunning. And then you know Financial

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Speaker 13: Times are intellectual betters. You know Oxford Cambridge just reeks

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Speaker 13: of elitism, which I used to like.

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Speaker 12: But she says, what my pick, Lula, right, I don't

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Speaker 12: like Trump, so my pick. So it boils down to this.

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Speaker 12: They're finally letting the buried lead out right. The mainstream

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Speaker 12: media don't like Trump. My pick doesn't have anything to do

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Speaker 12: with the American people are leaders nothing.

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Speaker 13: So Trump's winning. That's the great news. We're winning.

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Speaker 4: Dave or around. We've got some special guests in the

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Speaker 4: Trump tries to bring peace to the world. Blessed are

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