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Speaker 3: Welcome to No Dunks all right, A bit of a

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Speaker 3: different show for you today. Test and Trey down in

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Speaker 3: Seven years as the vice president of basketball Operations with

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Speaker 3: the Memphis Grizzlies, many many years before that with ESPN

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Speaker 3: and SI. John Hollinger is here in studio.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, John, Well, thanks for having me

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Speaker 3: We very much appreciate you. Got a new podcast as

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Speaker 3: well with mister Nate Duncan that I didn't mention, Hollinger

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's super original name we came up with, and

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Speaker 4: There's a lot more podcasting players than I would have

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Speaker 2: I don't know happened exactly right.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of feel pretty good, not working as much, right,

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Speaker 2: Twenty fifteen team was our best team. That team in

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any question we should have after

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Speaker 3: Mike and Mark were still there. You needed a wing.

438
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 3: Chandler Parsons was available. Now Chandler Parsons is currently wearing

439
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 3: suits in Atlanta, chewing a lot of big pieces of gum,

440
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 3: apparently on the sideline. But in twenty sixteen, he wasn't

441
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 3: that far removed from being one of the best value

442
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 3: contracts in the league by Darryl Moriy in Houston. A

443
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 3: couple of years in Dallas after the club signing with

444
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 3: Mark Cuban, he opted out. You guys signed him to

445
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 3: a Max Steel. What happened with Chandler Parsons? What materialized

446
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 3: from the time you signed them to you know, all

447
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 3: those knee issues that were lingering from Dallas. But yeah,

448
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,400
Speaker 3: sent himself.

449
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: Well, I will I will say this. I mean there

450
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 2: there there are some there's only some of this I

451
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 2: can go into. But uh. But the thing that was

452
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 2: really I thought that the death shot was that we

453
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 2: had him, we did all this work on his right knee,

454
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 2: and we had him for six games, and then he

455
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 2: hurt the left knee. Uh, and then that was I

456
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 2: think from there it was probably I don't know if

457
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 2: it was, I don't I don't know if it was

458
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: gonna go that way anyway, But once that happened, I

459
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: I think that removed any any kind of chance of

460
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 2: salvaging that one, so which was you know, hugely unfortunate obviously,

461
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 2: because that contract really ended up limiting us the last

462
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 2: the last few years. And if we had been I

463
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 2: mean the I guess the only solace is if you

464
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 2: look at free agency that year and we hadn't signed him,

465
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 2: we probably would have signed another equally horrible contract, because

466
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 2: if you look at all the contracts from that are,

467
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 2: not one of them was good.

468
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 3: They're mostly on the Hawks right now.

469
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that twenty sixteen contracts are coming up the

470
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 4: books next year, so they're all in the Hawks. Alan

471
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 4: krabs around Evan Turner, Chandler Parsons. That being said that

472
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 4: that was the spot to upgrade. It seemed like for

473
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 4: the Grizzlies, Oh, there was no question was a shooter,

474
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 4: so we had it was the me who had some

475
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 4: playmaking to them.

476
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: That was the thing we thought could give us a

477
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 2: fighting chance to compete with with the you know, with

478
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 2: the best teams in the league. And we felt like

479
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,959
Speaker 2: short of that, we were, you know, kind of this

480
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 2: scrappy underdog that was an underdog for a reason.

481
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 4: So can that team though, can the scrappy underdog who's

482
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 4: an underdog for a reason.

483
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: Can that team win a championship?

484
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 4: Because I feel like we've seen that kind of team

485
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 4: a lot in the past ten years.

486
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 2: The Bulls were.

487
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 4: Kind of that team. They were a defense first team.

488
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 4: They had Derreck Rose was an MVP. Obviously, the Pacers

489
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 4: were like that. The Grizzlies were obviously like that. The Jazz,

490
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 4: I think are kind of that team right now, where

491
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,479
Speaker 4: they're a defense first team and you don't necessarily know

492
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 4: if the offense is going to carry him on the

493
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 4: other side that team. Do you think I would assume

494
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 4: can win a title that sort of team.

495
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the Piston showed that sort of team

496
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 2: can win a title, and I think we felt like

497
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: if we had, if we had five really good players

498
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 2: rather than four, that we could be well. We talked

499
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 2: about that Pistons team internally a lot, because if we

500
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,959
Speaker 2: were gonna win, that was kind of how we were

501
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 2: gonna win. We're gonna have to be number one or

502
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: number two in defense, and we know we didn't have

503
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 2: We knew we didn't have any of the ten best

504
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 2: players in the league and weren't likely to. But if

505
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: we had five of the top sixty players in the league.

506
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 2: Maybe sure, and we were just a pain to play,

507
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: you know, could that? Could that be enough? Could that?

508
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 2: Could that give us a legitimate chance against against some

509
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: of these other teams that had more superstar power.

510
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: One of those Pistons is in Memphis front office, right,

511
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 3: Tayshawn Prince's.

512
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, yep I, yep. I have a quite a

513
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: history with Tayshawn. I traded for him and traded him

514
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 2: and then worked with him.

515
00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: So things are all.

516
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 2: Cool, hi An education, Yeah, exactly. Now, Teishan's great super

517
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: high basketball IQ. You know, he's he's he's quiet, as

518
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've seen, but when something needs to be said,

519
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: he says it. And uh, I think people really respect

520
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: his opinion and seek it out. So I'm sure he's

521
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 2: going to do a great job there.

522
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: I just wanted to ask about one guy that's sort

523
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 3: of on the Raptors fans, Radar and Bruno Koboklo, who

524
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 3: you guys are giving a shot in Memphis and he's

525
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 3: stuck with the roster this year. Is he still two

526
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 3: years away from being two years away? Or is he?

527
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 3: Is he a center in this league? Give me give

528
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 3: me the Bruno status.

529
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 2: I think he's a four or a small ball five.

530
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 2: He can play some three. We played him a little

531
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: there last year, but the best thing he can do

532
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 2: is is picking pop I think. And uh, and he's

533
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: a tough guy for Biggs to track. And then he's

534
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 2: his length on defense is a problem, so's he's able

535
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: to make an impact there. He still doesn't have like

536
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 2: just just his instincts for the game and reading the game.

537
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,239
Speaker 2: I mean, they've progressed since he got to Toronto, but

538
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,239
Speaker 2: they still probably aren't aren't great, So that that's an

539
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: area that's still won for improvement. And again, he just

540
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: didn't get He just didn't get a lot of reps

541
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: in those like age seventeen, eighteen, nineteen years and I

542
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: think that probably didn't help him. But yeah, he had

543
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: a nice close to the year last year. So we'll

544
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: see if he can get into the into the mix

545
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: in Memphis. He's been kind of out of the rotation

546
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: so far, but it's only been three games.

547
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: So one question for you, why does everyone keep signing

548
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 3: Jeff Green? He gets a one year deal every year.

549
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 3: Well that's Jeff, that's his pattern.

550
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, well here's the thing I mean, I mean

551
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 2: he's not a bad player, He's fine. Yeah, So I

552
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 2: don't you know, I wish we hadn't traded a first

553
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: for him, but that's you know, that's a that's a

554
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: completely different, different deal.

555
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: That's like going right for players now though everyone's getting it.

556
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 3: Seems to have gone that way the last just maybe

557
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: two seasons.

558
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, because before that, nobody was good willing to do

559
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 2: that to get the quote unquote final piece because they

560
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: knew no matter what piece they got, they were still

561
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: going to get obliterated by Golden State when it came

562
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: right down to it. And now I think people perceive

563
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 2: that it's wide open, and so they're much more willing

564
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: to push their chips in. And that's the way it

565
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: was in twenty fifteen, because we made the deal for

566
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 2: Jeff Houston, made multiple deals with all kinds of second

567
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: round picks to get Corey Brewer and one or two

568
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: other guys Josh Smith, May Josh Smith. They got off

569
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: the scrap heap.

570
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 3: I think.

571
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 2: Dallas made the trade for Rondo. San Antonio didn't do

572
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: anything because they're san Antonio, but no somebody else, somebody

573
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: else in that mix also made a move. Like everyone

574
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: was pushing their chips in because they felt like it

575
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: was this is it, It's wide open, and Golden State

576
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: ended up kind of on the top of that heap.

577
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 3: Well, you said it was wide open back then. I

578
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: heard you on the Basket Buds podcast. Are our colleagues

579
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 3: here at the Athletic that you think that nine teams

580
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 3: can legitimately win it this season? It feels like it

581
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 3: hasn't been that wide open in a very very long time.

582
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 3: Do you still think nine can win it? Or have

583
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: the Warriors?

584
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember if Golden State was.

585
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 3: I'll remind you, yes, it was that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

586
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 3: You've already even even tweeted about it since that. Maybe

587
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: you were a little too it might.

588
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: Have been a little too optimistic about them. Yeah, the

589
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I definitely think there's three teams in the

590
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 2: East that can win it.

591
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: I mean you could three teams. Who's the third, oh, Boston?

592
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: I think if they made if they made one trade

593
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: and I'm not talking about a trade for like anyone said, oh,

594
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: we could win it if we just trade for you know,

595
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis, like that's not talking at like it's all like,

596
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: but if you trade for one more kind of just

597
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: high level starter player, which I think is a more

598
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: realistic scenario. You know, Toronto's trade for Mark last year,

599
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: Let's say something like that, right, you know, I think

600
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: I think Boston you can talk yourselves into.

601
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, not to put you on the spot in

602
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 3: the West, but I think everybody had sort of the

603
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: Warriors amongst there. There's a couple, the couple of LA

604
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: teams Utah, Denver, Houston, and the Warriors were sort of

605
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: yeah because.

606
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: You figured, like, okay, they do whatever in the regular season,

607
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: Clay comes back, it comes they get a couple buyout guys,

608
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden they're dangerous. Yeah, and I suppose,

609
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: I suppose that's still plausible, but they might be like

610
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: twenty three and fifty at the time. Right.

611
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 3: So, well, you wrote about it today and that your

612
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen Grizzlies got off to that.

613
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: We had a very very similar start. Yeah. Yeah, we

614
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: got absolutely obliterated two of our first four games, and

615
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: it was the same kind of thing, just like Low

616
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: Energy had a really blot training camp, like you just

617
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: you just knew wasn't right, like right from the word go.

618
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: And I think that's kind of the vibe around this

619
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: team too, but you forget how long this season is

620
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: and how many chances there are to kind of get

621
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,719
Speaker 2: the train back on the tracks. So we'll see. I mean,

622
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: I think they have some issues with their rotation and stuff, obviously,

623
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: but they also you look at just kind of three

624
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: point luck, like their opponents are shooting a ridiculous percentage

625
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: and the Warriors themselves are shooting very poorly, and it's

626
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: like even Curry is four for twenty on the season.

627
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: I predict that will not hold them production. He will

628
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: finish the year, You'll finish the year above twenty percent

629
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: from three.

630
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 3: Well, I like one of your solutions give the ball

631
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: to the best players and not to the other guys.

632
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Steve Kurr's instincts definitely run more socialists

633
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: in terms of sharing the basketball and stuff. And I

634
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: think it just when you don't have that secondary talent,

635
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: need to really lean on your top players to just

636
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: kind of be pigs and take all the offense.

637
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 4: You mentioned when the Grizzlies had their slow start in

638
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen, you knew it right away and you could

639
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 4: just tell something was different. So as a GM, surely

640
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 4: Steve kerb Bob myers are noticing these sort of things

641
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 4: as well. What are you thinking then, when you know

642
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 4: the team doesn't look like they've looked in the past

643
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 4: few years. The energy is not there, the psyche's not there.

644
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 4: Are you thinking we need to get in more players

645
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 4: who are gonna help from a talent standpoint, or we

646
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 4: need to get some good chemistry guys in here who

647
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 4: are gonna make things happier. Who are it's gonna be

648
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 4: a better work environment. So everybody's sort of on the

649
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 4: same path. What's the solution then for the Warriors besides

650
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 4: just let Curry go crazy.

651
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: To me, I'd be looking at things more from the

652
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: talent side because there's a lack enough of it. Yeah.

653
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: The hard part is that nobody wants to do a

654
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: trade right now because everyone still is in love with

655
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: their roster and think they're going to go seventy five

656
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: and seven right So that can be really difficult. We

657
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: were very fortunate that year that I wrote about in

658
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: my Calm on the Athletic Today, that that Miami was

659
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: far enough into the luxury tax that trading Chalmers for

660
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: Beno was really appealing to them. I think we ended

661
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: up saving them two and a half million maybe, and

662
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 2: from that point they were able to make one or

663
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: two other side deals and get under the tax. So,

664
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: but I don't know where that deal is available for

665
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: them right now. It's really there's a reason there's only

666
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: been like two trades done in November in the last decade,

667
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 2: I want to say, and when our deal was one

668
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: of them. It's a really hard time to do a deal.

669
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: So and then they're also handcuffed by the hard cap

670
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: that they face. They're only three hundred and change away

671
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: from it. So almost any deal that adds money they

672
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: can't do. Which generally, when you when you're a team

673
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: that's looking to add talent, Well, what's what's the way

674
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: that you can add talent without giving up assets you

675
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: agree to take on money that other team wants to dump. Well,

676
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: that option is off the table pretty much for Golden State.

677
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: So it's gonna take some creativity.

678
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 3: Our deals not done in November because front offices are

679
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 3: in chill mode. As you said, maybe maybe there's not

680
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: working hard.

681
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: Well, they're they're in chill mode. They're in evaluation mode.

682
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to do anything yet.

683
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, people are in love with their team. That's definitely

684
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: a part of it.

685
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: I'm sure there. I mean, there's definitely a subset that

686
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: is it's almost like Christmas shopping, like they're just they're

687
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: just gonna wait till December twenty fourth, no matter what

688
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: you know, they're gonna But in this case, December twenty

689
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: fourth is February sixth, the trade deadline. You know where

690
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: they're they're just gonna wait and wait and wait and

691
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: do something in February. We were always more aggressive than that.

692
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 3: We made.

693
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: We made a lot of deals before the trade deadline

694
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: and in my time there, and I always felt like

695
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: if you had the if you had the deal and

696
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: it made sense, why are you waiting twenty games?

697
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 3: But it is always astonishing to me that we get

698
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: to the trade deadline and things start flowing in the trades,

699
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: just start happening, when hey, there was a couple of

700
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: months before this.

701
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: STU thinks exactly exactly, like what what would have happened

702
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: if this deadline didn't exist? Like would I think have

703
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: happened this year?

704
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: Like we're all the same, very odd, we all like

705
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 3: our backs to the wall to get things done.

706
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 4: Something else in your previews that surprised me was that

707
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 4: you had the Houston Rockets as the number one team

708
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 4: in the Western Conference. You know, people definitely, I feel

709
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 4: like they're recognizing them as a as a championship contender,

710
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 4: but nobody's really throwing their chips and saying the Rockets

711
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 4: are going to be the team to beat this year

712
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 4: because nobody knew what they were going to look like

713
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 4: with Harden and Westbrook on the court together for the

714
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 4: first time in years. So it's been a week, they've

715
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 4: played all of two games. Is there anything encouraging to

716
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 4: you or discouraging to you to knock them off of

717
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 4: perhaps they're going to be the best team in the

718
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 4: Western Conference.

719
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: I haven't seen anything that would change my initial thought.

720
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: I guess, like I said, it's only two games. They

721
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: probably let that Milwaukee game get away from them. Played

722
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: a little better against the Pelicans, but you know, it

723
00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 2: was home against the Pelicans, So I I mean, I

724
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: think they're The way they play is really hard to stop,

725
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: just because Harden is so good that and then you

726
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: still have that back backstop that if Harden sits out

727
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 2: a few games or whatever, Russ can kind of be

728
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: that guy and take everything over and then there It's

729
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: weird because they the back of their bench is it's

730
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: almost like Golden States, Like you look, it's like, wow,

731
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 2: that's kind of shaky. But they're they're three, four, five,

732
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: like they're starting lineup one through five, and even probably

733
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 2: their first one or two guys off the bench, they're

734
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: really solid there. So as long as they keep those

735
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: six or seven guys upright, like, they're gonna win a lot.

736
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: And I just think it's not gonna take a super

737
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 2: huge win total to be the one seed in the

738
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 2: West this year. I think there's gonna be a lot

739
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: of there's a lot more parody, there's gonna be a

740
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: lot of knocking each other off. So you know, I

741
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: had him number one. I think I had him at

742
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: like fifty four if I remember I was a super

743
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: high Yeah. Yeah, So that's a very plausible scenario to me,

744
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 2: and I still we know if that makes them the

745
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: favorite when the playoffs start, like I think you get

746
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: into the postseason and the Clippers are playing Kawhi and

747
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: Paul George every single game, I think I think they

748
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 2: maybe become the team to beat even if they're not

749
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: the number one seed.

750
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: Is there a surprise team that's joining that sort of

751
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 3: elite from I know it's only been six nights, but

752
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: is there somebody that surprised you that could jump into

753
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 3: that mix, even even the second tier, because jumping into

754
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 3: the championship mix, that's Hey, we do a podcast every day.

755
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 3: We like to jump to conclusions, but that's a that's

756
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 3: a pretty huge conclusion to jump to. Is there a

757
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: surprise anyways? From the I guess in general, from the

758
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 3: first week of the.

759
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: Season, I'd say Phoenix's level of play their first three

760
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 2: games has definitely opened some eyes. Playing a lot more defense,

761
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: and you look at their rotation like one through eight,

762
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: they're pretty good. They have a real point guard now,

763
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: which you know makes it makes a big difference. That

764
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: was a disaster area last year. And uh, you know,

765
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: we'll see how they deal with this suspension with Dean,

766
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: but they did equip themselves with with Aaron Bains, so

767
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: they're you know, they have other bigs they can turn to.

768
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 2: Check Dollo, I think is an interesting player if he

769
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: gets some minutes. Frank Kaminski has played well from them

770
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: as a stretch big, so they get you know, they

771
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: they go eight to ten deep with like pretty good

772
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: quality and you know, they still have Booker there can

773
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: put up some big numbers. So I think I think

774
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 2: they can be this year's Sacramento. Let's say where they're

775
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 2: Maybe they don't crack the top eight in the West,

776
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 2: but they're in the race the whole year. That's what

777
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: after three games, that's what they look like to me. Now,

778
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 2: admittedly it's three games, Like we've seen some stuff where

779
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: it didn't carry over at all. I mean, two years ago,

780
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: our first three games, we beat the Pelicans, then we

781
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: beat Golden State, then we won at Houston and back

782
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 2: to back. Golden State and Houston were both sixty plus

783
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: win teams that year, and we went twenty two and sixty.

784
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: So sometimes it doesn't carry over. So if it's all

785
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Phoenix.

786
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: Could be this year, so Sacramento. Could Sacramento be this

787
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 3: year's Phoenix. It's such a delicate balance, right because I think,

788
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 3: let's go back one week. You look at what James

789
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: Jones built in Phoenix, and you might say we had

790
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: one to three eight, they're okay, but what's what's the point.

791
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 3: Shouldn't you just kind of tear it down a little

792
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 3: bit more. But they're doing great, and the same thing

793
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 3: sort of goes in Sacramento. Now you kind of look

794
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 3: at and you say, well, why send all that money

795
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: to Corey Joseph and Trevor Reason Doane Deadman if things

796
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 3: are going to go this way, But it can also

797
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 3: turn the other way, and they could also vault up

798
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: the standards.

799
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: I thought I thought Sacramento got ahead of themselves because

800
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: I thought they were over their heads last year, and

801
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: really that team maxed out just in terms of all

802
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: their key players were healthy the entire season. I think

803
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: Fox healed and Colie Stein played like eighty two eighty

804
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: one eighty one games, bog Dan Mitch only missed a

805
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: few games. Like their key players were just we're out

806
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 2: there the entire year, and so that they they just

807
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: had that that health advantage. If you look at surprise teams,

808
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: like health is always a major factor almost it's it's

809
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 2: never like, yeah, we had three starters out, but we

810
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: overachieved by fifteen games from what people thought like that.

811
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 2: That's never how it goes. So I think they're gonna,

812
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 2: you know, it's unlikely that they'll get that kind of

813
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: fortune again. And then their half court offense still isn't

814
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: very good, and I thought they lost some of that

815
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: speed that really made them dangerous when they when they

816
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: when they lost Willie Caley Stein and they did they

817
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: did some other things and just they're just they're just

818
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: a little slower now than they were, I thought in

819
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: the off season, especially if you're really trying to build

820
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: a team around Fox and healed, uh and and you

821
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: know that you're still kind of on the staircase going up,

822
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 2: that bringing in thirty year old veterans wasn't really the

823
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 2: way to go. You know, maybe if you have some

824
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: exception money leftover, you bring in a couple of locker

825
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: room guys or something. But really thought that they should

826
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: have been looking more at the you know, twenty three

827
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: to twenty five year old types, guys who could grow

828
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: up with Fox and Buddy and be you know, be

829
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: in their prime when those guys are too.

830
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 3: It's not great to bring in thirty year old veterans

831
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: when you're a basketball team, but it's great when you're podcasters.

832
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: So thanks to the athletic for signing us on and

833
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 3: not bringing in youngsters like twenty three and twenty.

834
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: Five year olds.

835
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 3: And one question you mentioned speaking about young podcasters, you're

836
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 3: on the basket buds with their buds there. You mentioned

837
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: Zion Williamson playing some five. I thought that was interesting.

838
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 3: Do you see his future as a five in this league.

839
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 2: I think he's going to start games at the four

840
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: and then mix in at the five strategically. And man

841
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: has just seen it in preseason, like it's hard to

842
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: guard Man like Jit. Fives like just have a hard

843
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: time with him, even though they know they don't have

844
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 2: to plan for the shot. But he's just so quick

845
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: and so powerful at the same time, and he can

846
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: finish right through a lot of these guys even though

847
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: they're taller than he is. I think it's an unusual

848
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: situation for an NBA big to just have have this

849
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: guy just plow right through you and score every time,

850
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: like you know, you saw him do it to Rudy

851
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: Gobert in the preseason in Utah. So I'm really excited

852
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: to see what happens when he gets back on the

853
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: floor because he is a truly, truly unique talent.

854
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 3: Is it impossible to sort of prognosticate what the heck

855
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: is going to happen there with his his injury.

856
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just worry that there's so much power generated

857
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: in that body that the lower extremities can't handle it.

858
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: And I just don't think that's something we'll know right away.

859
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: I mean, is it just is it just a one

860
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 2: off freak thing or is it something that's gonna happen

861
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 2: every other week. We just we just don't know yet.

862
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 2: So that's gonna be an interesting part of his story though,

863
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: because talent wise, I mean, I saw this guy play

864
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: three times and now he last year, like he's ridiculous.

865
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 2: He's and and he's just scratching the surface, like you

866
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: can see on defense, like he had never really had

867
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: to learn anything because he could just rely on his

868
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 2: natural ability like once he once, but he has. But

869
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: he also like he has the brain for the game

870
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 2: and the competitiveness and all that, Like he's gonna get

871
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: it and then it's it's really gonna be over, you know. So, uh,

872
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: he's a ridiculous talent. And I'm just I hope he

873
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 2: gets back out there and can stay out there because

874
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to see what he can be. I

875
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: think he'll be like a a a break the old

876
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: type type of guy. Like the closest thing I can

877
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: come to is Charles Barkley in describing him, But he's

878
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: he's different even from Charles. I think he has more

879
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: more ball handling ability and and maybe even more explosiveness

880
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: than Charles had.

881
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's elicited some excitement in hoop heads

882
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 3: that we haven't felt in a long time. We haven't

883
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: seen a long time, I should say, just people who've

884
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 3: been around the game for a while. This guy is

885
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 3: so freaking special. And you mentioned the preseason hype of

886
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 3: going down to an Atlanta preseason game and getting excited.

887
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 3: That just doesn't happen. People don't go to regular season

888
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: games and Atlantic Yeah, get they.

889
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: Certainly don't go to preseason games. Yeah, but that one

890
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: was packed. I couldn't believe it. And there was media

891
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: from everywhere and it was all for him, and he

892
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: didn't disappoint. I mean, he posterized Damian Jones two minutes

893
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 2: into the game.

894
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: So I just want to get back to one guy

895
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: who is with you in Memphis and you have on

896
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: your team on the All Breakout team, and he's thirty

897
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 3: two years old, and Mike Conley, why did you put

898
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 3: him on your team? What can he do in Utah?

899
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: What can he show the rest of the league that

900
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 3: maybe people didn't see in Memphis, because I am totally

901
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: with you that twenty seventeen playoff performance that you said

902
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 3: was probably the end of the run. He was amazing.

903
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 3: It was a six game run, but he was phenomenal.

904
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 3: This guy he could be, you know, he could be

905
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: a playoff star that people really haven't seen come you know,

906
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 3: twenty twenty.

907
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was really excited for him in Utah

908
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: when I saw they signed Bogdanovich and it looked like

909
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 2: they were gonna play Bogdanovic Engles, Mitchell and Mike with

910
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 2: Rudy Gobert as a rim runner. I just thought he

911
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 2: would have yards and yards of space and really be

912
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: able to get to the rim a lot more than

913
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: he got in Memphis because we always had you know,

914
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: we were posting up Zebo. In Mark, we played a

915
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: lot of non shooters were there were always just people

916
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: in the way, you know, And that was one of

917
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: the reasons that you know that right handed float or

918
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: became such a weapon for him, was a little bit

919
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: out of necessity that there were a lot of times

920
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: he just couldn't get all the way to the bucket.

921
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: So I'm hopeful that things open up, the floor opens

922
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: up for him in Utah. He got it left to

923
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: a little bit a rough start there in the first game,

924
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: although although it was weird he missed he missed every

925
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 2: single right handed floater in that game short, which is

926
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: which is unusual. So I think it's just maybe some

927
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: early season rust, hopefully, but I think as he gets

928
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: into it and gets in that system, I think he's

929
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: just gonna have a lot more opportunities to attack and

930
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: attack with advantages, and he's not going to be facing

931
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 2: the other team's best perimeter defender every night, which he

932
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: was every single game with us. So I think there's

933
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 2: just a lot of advantages for him there that I'm

934
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 2: really hopeful he can take advantage of and hopefully that

935
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: will result in finally this tragedy of him never being

936
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: in the All Star Game is is reversed this year.

937
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: I got my fingers crossed. But we'll see. It's always

938
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: so tough in the West to get any traction at

939
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: all unless you're putting up video game stats, so we'll see.

940
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be tough for in Utah as well.

941
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 3: With a couple other guys that could be there.

942
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: Star teams, that's no so, I mean that's happened with

943
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 2: us where you know, we would have Mike, Mark and

944
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: Zebo split the vote, you know what I mean. Coach

945
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: will be like, I'm gonna put one mepisk guy on,

946
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: but they put each of them puts a different guy on,

947
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: so none of our guys get in.

948
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 3: And you're like, come man, Yeah, So that ballot is

949
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 3: supposed to be for the head coach. How often does

950
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 3: the head coach actually tick the box?

951
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: So all star ballots they take seriously, with some of

952
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 2: the other one like the All Defense ballot at the

953
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: end of the end of the year. There's a couple

954
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: of them. I think All Defense is one of them

955
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: that that that gets outsourced. I'll tell you right now.

956
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: I'll say I'll say twenty five plus teams that that

957
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 2: ballot is getting out.

958
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 4: So so that explains like Kobe Bryant made so many

959
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 4: All defense teams at the end of his career, is

960
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 4: what you're saying.

961
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 2: That would be one example.

962
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: Yes, so the head coach ticks the box for the

963
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: All Star games. That's it's that's good.

964
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: Now. The All Star vote they take seriously. Yeah.

965
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 3: Just moving on to u p R the stat that

966
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 3: you made up. Do you use player efficiency rating when

967
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 3: you're evaluating, use your own stat to you ate talent.

968
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: I so I do, but I don't use it exclusively

969
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: or even really Uh it's it's not even really the

970
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: primary factor. I mean there's a lot more advanced stats

971
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: in there where when I invented PR, so I to

972
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: you know, take advantage of them. Where it is really

973
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 2: useful is just as a quick just a quick glance.

974
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: Like sometimes I'll just you know, before I play a team,

975
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: I'll just look at the other team's roster and and uh,

976
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 2: this is what I would do in Memphis and just

977
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: kind of look at their numbers and you know, just

978
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: kind of you just kind of look at the guys

979
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 2: PR and just kind of you know, to other stats. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

980
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 2: that part's kind of cool.

981
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. You mentioned the proliferation of all the

982
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 3: advanced stats. What is the next phase of analytics? What's

983
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 3: what's the next step? Not necessarily even from a stat perspective,

984
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: but even the implementation, I mean anything from the whole

985
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:55,919
Speaker 3: advanced stat world.

986
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 2: The next step is really boring for or people on

987
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: the outside because it involves a lot of the health

988
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 2: and medical stuff and the decisions on when to rest

989
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 2: players and uh, and selecting players in their draft even

990
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 2: and it's going to be you. It's going to be

991
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: coming through all this data to define what's going on

992
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: in the in the injury side, which players are risks,

993
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: What level of minutes or load or whatever people are

994
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 2: measuring puts a player at risk or you know, and

995
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: should that number be different for different players? All kinds

996
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: of work being done on that front. It's still very

997
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: bleeding edge right now, but that's that's where teams are

998
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 2: going and you're going to see a lot more science

999
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: mixed in with what right now is basically art when

1000
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 2: it comes to resting players and managing their health.

1001
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 4: Does that mean we're going to be I mean we've

1002
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 4: heard a lot about you know, body trackers, which are

1003
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 4: which are measuring the load at practices or sometimes I

1004
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 4: don't know if they're allowed to use them during games.

1005
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 4: But is that is that what you're talking about? The

1006
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 4: technology side of it is going to be so much more.

1007
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're you're not allowed to use him in

1008
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: games right now. You can use him in G League

1009
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: games though, I think yeah, And it's it's gonna be

1010
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: within the next CBA negotiation is probably going to be

1011
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: a big deal, sure, just to fight over stuff like that,

1012
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 2: sleep trackers, blood testing, all that kind of stuff. How

1013
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: invasive is okay? You know, how much is it helpful

1014
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 2: to just help a player manages you know, help the

1015
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: team manage the player's career and help him and how

1016
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: much is just that's just invasive and stuff I don't

1017
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: want you to know because if you're you know, if

1018
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: you were in a thing that measured my blood and

1019
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: measured my sleep, sure you can also tell if I'm

1020
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: out at the club, which maybe I don't want you

1021
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 2: to know.

1022
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, is there a a part of that which happened

1023
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: with DeAndre? And not not to project what the heck

1024
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 3: happened there, but there was a diuretic that cleared his

1025
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 3: system and you just you just sparked that in me

1026
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 3: that he's banned for twenty five games because he cleared

1027
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 3: out his system and then the subsequent testing found nothing.

1028
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 3: Well that's obvious because it was just his system was

1029
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 3: cleared out, right, Is there is so as a front office,

1030
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 3: do you look at that and you say that's steroids?

1031
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 3: Or do you what? What do you take from that?

1032
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: Boy? That's that's a hard one for me to to

1033
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: weigh in on because I don't I don't know any

1034
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: of the specifics of it. I mean, anytime somebody has

1035
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: a masking agent in their system, you kind of it

1036
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: raises your eyebrows a little bit. But we don't know

1037
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: the I haven't read or heard the exact circumstances of

1038
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: how that ended up in his system either, So you know,

1039
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: that's fair.

1040
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 3: I had to ask. I had to.

1041
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: I'll probably dance around that with Wee's words.

1042
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, No, we we figured we had to lay

1043
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 3: that one out there. You never know, you never know

1044
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: if you get a response.

1045
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 4: You mentioned that sleep is going to be a part

1046
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 4: of a part of the next foray into analytics, if

1047
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 4: you will. There's been a lot of talk obviously about

1048
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 4: season being shortened, less back to backs. You know, the

1049
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 4: season is now, it was a little bit longer for

1050
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 4: her two years. Now, it's kind of back in between

1051
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 4: to where it was prior to that. Do you think

1052
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 4: that they need to get games so we have less

1053
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 4: back to backs, so players are able to get a

1054
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 4: full night sleep, so you're not flying on a plane

1055
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 4: from two am to five am and then you get

1056
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 4: up and then he got a practice and then next thing,

1057
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 4: you know, you've got another game. There's not a lot

1058
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 4: of time to sleep, but clearly it's something that's very important.

1059
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 4: Do you think getting rid of some games is a

1060
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 4: solution that the NBA should look at.

1061
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 2: I think Uncle Benjamin is going to have a problem with.

1062
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 3: That, that's right.

1063
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: That's the biggest issue is it's so important that they're

1064
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: willing to lose money from just the sheer number of

1065
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 2: games and bank on there being enough of a quality

1066
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 2: improvement that it makes up for it. Right now, I'd

1067
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 2: say probably not, but we'll see. I mean, they have

1068
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: gotten a lot smarter about how they schedule, thank goodness.

1069
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 2: So some of the more ridiculous elements in previous schedules

1070
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 2: with four and fives and five and sevens and what

1071
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 2: not have been taken out because I mean, we were

1072
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: in a situation. It was actually our first year with Fizdale,

1073
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 2: so that would be sixteen seventeen, I think, where our

1074
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 2: third game of the season, we had Mike and Mark

1075
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: both coming back from season ending injuries. We we they

1076
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 2: gave us a four and five the first week of

1077
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: the season, so like, guys weren't really even conditioned to

1078
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: be up for it yet. We just looked at it,

1079
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: We're like, there's just no way. Like we're just like,

1080
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but the third game of the season, we

1081
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 2: have to punt it because there's just there's just no way,

1082
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: like we can do this, and so we you know,

1083
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 2: so we had to intentionally lose the battle in order

1084
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: to win the war, right, we sat Mike and Mark

1085
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: out that game. We got killed in Minnesota. But they

1086
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: stayed up right the rest of the year. We made

1087
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 2: the playoffs and whatnot, you know what I mean, Like

1088
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: that was the that was the end game. So they've

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00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: but I think part of the reason the league made

1090
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: those changes because they realized that was going to happen

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00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 2: more and more often, that if they wanted to see

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00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: these players anywhere close to eighty two games, that they

1093
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 2: couldn't do the four and fives and five, five and

1094
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 2: sevens because other teams are going to start emulating like

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00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: like what we had done and what the Spurs had

1096
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 2: done first, and that was only going to become more common.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in general, you guys got the schedule and say

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00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 3: this game, this game, this game, those are the optimum

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Speaker 3: games for the guys to sit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when we when we look at the final schedule,

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Speaker 2: We always go through and kind of flag what are

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00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: games where guys where guys might have some fatigue built up,

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00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 2: and it might be and there might be an opportunity,

1104
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: but you don't really know until you get into the season,

1105
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: if guys have missed games before that, if you know

1106
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 2: where you are in the playoff races, there's a lot

1107
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: of there's a lot of factors to take into it.

1108
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 2: But yeah, definitely, we sit down with We would sit

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00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 2: down with the medical team in Memphis when the schedule

1110
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: came out and be like, look, is there any you

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00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 2: know what stands out here? One? Are these guys gonna

1112
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 2: be tired? All right? Number three? Sit them down right away.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's funny that you brought up the five and

1114
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 3: seven to start the season because Train and I had

1115
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Speaker 3: a disagree with the other day when we talked about

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00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 3: I think it was the Pistons on a back to

1117
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 3: back they stay open opening week. Was it Tuesday, Wednesday,

1118
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 3: Wednesday Thursday they had or Wednesday Thursday? Yeah, they had

1119
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: a back to back, and I brought up that, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the other team has an advantage. On Thursday, the Hawks

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00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 3: had advantagement. Pistons came in here and he said, come

1122
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 3: on it's opening week, these guys can play back to

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00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 3: back nights. But you mentioned that, I think you're in

1124
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 3: my camp because you said you have to work up

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Speaker 3: to that five game in seven night sort of you know,

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00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: stamina level that they just haven't got that. So is

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00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 3: the back to back sort of apply as well? Like

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Speaker 3: do players have to work up to a stamina level

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Speaker 3: even though these guys are well conditioned, well conditioned athletes.

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Speaker 2: Because there's not the intensity of preseason basketball is a

1131
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: joke compared to the intensity of regular season basketball, especially

1132
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: for starting caliber players, for some of the backups and

1133
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: guys who are trying to make a roster. Oh, there

1134
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 2: there are one hundred intensity in those preseason games. But

1135
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Speaker 2: for for a lot of the veteran players, I mean

1136
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 2: just they're they're just going to kind of, you know,

1137
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 2: kind of go through play their twenty minutes seventy five percent,

1138
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 2: work up a little either, don't get hurt, and then

1139
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 2: the energy level goes way up first game of regular season.

1140
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 2: So it's so it's definitely a different, a different kind

1141
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: of thing. And uh that that can be a tricky uh,

1142
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 2: a tricky Uh what's the word I'm looking for. Incline

1143
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: in uh in kind of their their their physical load.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, where the Hawks players ready to uh to work

1145
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,720
Speaker 3: hard in the preseason against Ion Williamson was Ion Wilson

1146
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 3: was on the other side of the floor and the

1147
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 3: media was there. Do you think the Hawks actually did

1148
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Speaker 3: Trey Young and John Collins pick up their level?

1149
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 2: That one was probably a little more amped up thing.

1150
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,959
Speaker 2: And again, yet younger players tend to you know, there'll

1151
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 2: be a little more intense in the preseason game than say,

1152
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: Vince might be.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, we'll let you get down to the Hawks

1154
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 3: game that you're headed down to right now. Is there

1155
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 3: anything you want to plug or do you want me

1156
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 3: to plug it for you? I got no problem plug.

1157
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I am with the athletic now. So

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Speaker 2: everyone please, you know, obviously check out check out my

1159
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Speaker 2: latest stories there and uh and subscribe and then you

1160
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 2: can listen to my podcast with Nate Duncan Hondre and

1161
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 2: Duncan NBA podcast.

1162
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 3: I believe it's Hollinger and Duncan NBA show.

1163
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: Either way, if you google either of them you'll find

1164
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 2: so all just do that. So and thanks everyone for listening.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks so much for coming on and be sure

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00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 3: to tune into our Squad episode that dropped on Sunday,

1167
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 3: as well as our daily show Monday through Friday. We

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Speaker 3: will see you Tuesday morning.

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Speaker 2: You could.

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Speaker 1: Every day.

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Speaker 2: Happy, and

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Speaker 4: It's been so