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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Kaddy Armstrong and Jetty.

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Speaker 2: And live from the studio Season your.

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Speaker 3: It is a dimly lit room deal with in the

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Speaker 3: bowels of the Armstrong and getting communications compounds of to day

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Speaker 3: Little Friday under the futelage of general manager rapid change.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, dizzying? Good lord? What's next?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 5: That might be your funniest ever general manager rapid change.

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Speaker 5: Would you like to explain? Well?

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Speaker 1: Sure, what what? What's to explain? Or you blind man?

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Speaker 1: Everywhere you look domestically, internationally, it's just everything's in like

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Speaker 1: wild flux. Name anything that's stable, even though the Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball they're talking about idiotic rule changes that that's

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Speaker 1: how too much fashion?

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Speaker 5: These wide pants these children wear today. I just tell you,

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Speaker 5: I understand it.

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Speaker 1: The high rise genes. Oh you know what, this government

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Speaker 1: should have stepped in there. Just again, too much change.

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Speaker 5: They're not flattering, That's what I don't get. I'm amazing people,

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Speaker 5: particularly young women, don't want to display what they look like.

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Speaker 5: Just kind of surprising to me that they want to

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Speaker 5: be don'tna were something that makes it impossible to know

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Speaker 5: what they look like.

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Speaker 1: So I don't I'm just I don't know. It really

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Speaker 1: looks like something designed in a Marxist system to de

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Speaker 1: sexualize everybody, or something. Since trust me, my word on

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Speaker 1: what looks good on women can be trusted, like the

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Speaker 1: very tablets that came down from God Almighty in the

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Speaker 1: hands of Moses, I would not lie.

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Speaker 5: Well right about that. That's kind of weird that that

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Speaker 5: fits a bit of a cultural moment, you know, the

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Speaker 5: last month with Trump, a side of the you know,

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Speaker 5: no genders and all the sort of stuff in that

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Speaker 5: young women up until like a year ago, we're wearing

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Speaker 5: jeans that were all about making it very clear what

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Speaker 5: you look like.

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Speaker 1: All right, if only we had a woman to consult.

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Speaker 1: Katie Green joins us, Katie.

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Speaker 6: Not only are they awful, but I'll tell you I've

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Speaker 6: worned the high rise genes before.

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Speaker 1: Try sitting down in those babies.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, there's that, but I don't even mean the

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Speaker 5: high rise, just.

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Speaker 1: The wide pants.

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Speaker 5: They're very very low.

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Speaker 1: The bottoms.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you're you could be you could be between

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Speaker 5: eighty five pounds and one hundred and eighty five pounds,

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Speaker 5: and you would look exactly the same in all the

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Speaker 5: genes that college girls were today.

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Speaker 1: It's all about the mystery. It's all about the mystery.

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Speaker 5: Jack Well, it wasn't for the past fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: So I just well, the mystery is never solved because

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Speaker 1: they never take off their genes, because everybody's asexual.

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Speaker 5: Maybe that's it. Maybe it's the I don't want a date.

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Speaker 5: I don't want anybody to talk to me. I'd rather

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Speaker 5: meet a bear in the woods than a strange man.

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Speaker 5: And I'm gonna let the big formless scheme right exactly.

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Speaker 1: And they are actual Marxists in many cases, So I

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Speaker 1: think I think I had the answer there long before

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Speaker 1: most of the discussion. But anyway, I haven't even.

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Speaker 5: Thought about that. You got to write a long essay

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Speaker 5: for The Atlantic on Marxist clothing and the use of today.

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Speaker 1: I'll get chance Ept to do it for me. I'll

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Speaker 1: put my name to it. That's a good idea.

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Speaker 5: So has anybody an excoriated op ed I just read

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Speaker 5: from the Wall Street Journal today, second day in a

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Speaker 5: row on Trump's plan and the things he's saying about

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Speaker 5: Zelensky and Ukraine. Has anybody figured out exactly what the

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Speaker 5: what the what the goal is here, what we're doing,

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Speaker 5: what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm figuring out more and more. Honestly, I did a

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Speaker 1: bit of a deep dive into the argument in favor

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Speaker 1: of his position, and it is, as usual with Trump,

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Speaker 1: a combination of some good points and an explanation of

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Speaker 1: them that's so horrific. Nobody who doesn't know precisely what

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Speaker 1: he's talking about has any idea what he's talking about.

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Speaker 5: Well, is it three dimensional chess?

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Speaker 1: Is that what's happening here? All chests is three dimensional? No,

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Speaker 1: not exactly, not exactly. It's it's a it's a policy

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Speaker 1: not totally not totally ignored, but mostly ignored negotiations a

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Speaker 1: story is the Ukrainians kind of liked the deal, and

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Speaker 1: the US told them, no, don't take this deal with Russia.

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Speaker 1: And that seems to be what Trump is referring to Okay,

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Speaker 1: and it's difficult. I mean you could, you could absolutely

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Speaker 1: teach a year long college class on all of this,

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Speaker 1: because I mean, among some of the other claims is

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Speaker 1: that the US stage decoup that overthrew the freely elected

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Speaker 1: government of Ukraine back in twenty four, which I find

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Speaker 1: to be fairly ridiculous description of the Kremlin's puppet regime

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Speaker 1: being tossed aside, Yes, with the help of the West,

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Speaker 1: because the Ukrainian people really wanted to lean more towards

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Speaker 1: elections in which Vladimir Lensky was elected, for better or worse.

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Speaker 1: So it's there are there are multiple layers, there are

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Speaker 1: multiple stories to each layer, multiple points of view, and

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Speaker 1: and again, uh, Trump needs to put JD. Vans out

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Speaker 1: front to explain this.

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Speaker 4: We all have to talk about that more or later

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Speaker 4: with the full because it's it's it's it's roiling the world.

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Speaker 1: It absolutely is. And as I was trying to babble out,

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Speaker 1: it is such a mix of fact opinion, propaganda, historical

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Speaker 4: Well, I for the first time I heard somebody hint

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Speaker 4: at so I mentioned the other day Mark Halpern wrote,

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Speaker 4: and I haven't seen this anywhere else. So one of

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Speaker 4: the reasons I like Mark Alpern's writing is he's got

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Speaker 4: tremendous sources and stuff that. But i'd never heard this

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Speaker 4: anywhere else. I read it on the air the other day.

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Speaker 4: He said, you can't go anywhere in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 4: With talk of this grand bargain that includes Greenland, Taiwan, Russia, Ukraine, China, US,

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Speaker 4: all of it coming together. Everybody's talking about this thing.

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Speaker 4: And I heard David Ignatius the first time on the

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Speaker 4: Washington Post this morning saying there is talk of a

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Speaker 4: first time I've heard anybody even hint at it. But

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Speaker 4: according to Halpurn, that's what everybody's talking about behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: So that must play a role this somehow.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why it has to be so secret

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Speaker 4: that nobody that Trump's taken so much fire from so

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, virtually everybody. I I came across this, and

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Speaker 1: we've got a listener who either spent like seventy hours

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Speaker 1: compiling information or is crazy into this or has a

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Speaker 1: including one from j d Vance who spells out in

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Speaker 1: ten steps or so, why the current Ukraine policy is

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Speaker 4: Well, the current happy to the current Ukraine policy of

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Speaker 4: just give them barely enough to survive.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, no, he would characterize it more as a

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Speaker 1: ten to spread democracy and freedom, et cetera, and oppose

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Speaker 1: Putin and bleed him dry in a proxy war. That's

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Speaker 1: our current policy. That's the way they describe it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: That's what I was trying to communicate to you. There's

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Speaker 1: virtually no aspect of this that doesn't have like three

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure standing up for an already existing democracy

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Speaker 4: is the same as spreading democracy, like when we went

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Speaker 1: Oh, I would agree, And in fact, Noah Rothman of

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Speaker 1: National Review responded to jd Vance's ten point post for

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Speaker 1: the life of me, I can't see how Russia is worn.

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Speaker 1: for the subtextual argument. Ukraine's critics seem to have internalized

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Speaker 1: that America is the bad guy. But you know, I'd

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Speaker 1: be happy to share Jadvance's ten point post next segment

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Speaker 1: or what we should do that later. Absolutely at the

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Speaker 4: It's one of the biggest stories in the world, no

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Speaker 4: doubt about it, and depending on how it turns out,

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Speaker 4: it could be a really big story. We should start

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Speaker 4: Jack Armstrong, He's Joe Getty on this How did it

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Speaker 4: already get to be?

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Speaker 4: Thursday February twentieth, the year twenty twenty five, where I'm

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Speaker 7: If we're doing solve the deficit, there won't be money

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Speaker 7: It's not optional, and MIC will go bankrupt if this

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm here.

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Speaker 4: I want to replace the national anthem, non Pledge of

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Speaker 4: fleshed out a little bit. There will be no money

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Speaker 4: but wherever whatever you had.

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Speaker 1: Two different things, or do you have homeless people in

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Speaker 4: Matter what your are too much for, there won't be

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Speaker 4: I don't if you've ever been broke, but there ain't

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Speaker 4: So we have mail bag and headlines this hour more

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Speaker 4: news of the day. Lots of stuff going on. I

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Speaker 4: hope you can see around. Just came across another headline

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Speaker 4: I should have sent you, Katie. We'll get this on later.

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Speaker 4: I need to do some breeding exercises before we do

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Speaker 1: I know Joe, Joe hasn't seen this yet.

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Speaker 4: I sent Katie what might be the most depressing headline

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Speaker 4: as a California taxpayer that I've ever seen my wife,

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Speaker 4: So I need to, yeah, calm down a little bit, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Here we go. It's probably not going to be all right.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, you're breathing exercises that I don't wanted to

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Speaker 1: pass out. Joe work with me here. Yes, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: with Katie Green. Katie, all right, Jack hold on, Katie La.

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Speaker 6: Majority of Californians still support high speed rail project, polling.

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Speaker 4: Shows a new Emerson poll came out yesterday. Fifty four

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Speaker 4: And even if you don't live in California, you should

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Speaker 1: My brief thesis would be, if you make the government

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Speaker 4: The majority of Californians still say the California High School

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Speaker 6: From Reuters, Trump says he's considering returning twenty percent of

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Speaker 6: From the New York Post, Chipotle will use AI to

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Speaker 1: Awesome. And from the Babylon Bee, cruel elon.

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Speaker 6: Musk cuts off social security benefits for thousands of revolutionary

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got more dough stuff and lots of headlines

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Speaker 4: and mail bag on the way all this hour, So stay.

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Speaker 7: He's very upset that he wasn't invited. He could have

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Speaker 1: Not critical of Putin, uh Putin. Volinski is barred from

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Speaker 4: Absolute freaking lutely the woman, I'm just say as it

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, regular working Americans standard of living

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Speaker 1: those international norms. Again, I'm just he's a very bright guy,

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Speaker 1: So I'm a little mystified by this. Moving along, the

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Speaker 1: belief that tough talk in su depletion of resources is

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Speaker 1: an effective deterrent rather than say, not wasting thousands of

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Speaker 1: of war, that's just nod construction. It's as if he's

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Speaker 1: giving us two choices for deterrence. But it's it was

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Speaker 1: you want to make two separate arguments there that this

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Speaker 1: suicidal depletion of resources. Now that I will listen to,

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Speaker 1: because it's scary how we have depleted our own weaponry

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Speaker 1: to support Ukraine. But it's just again, it's a weird construction.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And this one's weird too. The mission creep. From eliminating

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Speaker 1: weapons of mass destruction to building a liberal democracy in Iraq,

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Speaker 1: that was mission creep. But then he says, from stopping

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Speaker 1: the Russian advance to reclaiming every inch of territory to

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Speaker 1: toppling Putin in Eastern Europe who was pushing for that?

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Speaker 1: And dropping the Russian advance and reclaiming every inch of

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Speaker 1: territory is the same mission they invaded, Your appel them.

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Speaker 1: That's not mission creep. I don't. I am just flabbergasted

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Speaker 1: by this. The moralistic defense of our policies freedom, democracy,

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Speaker 1: despite the fact that our client states are neither free

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Speaker 1: nor democratic. I assume he's talking about Ukraine. There they're

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Speaker 1: wanting to pivot to the West instead of Putin's totalitarian

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Speaker 1: kryptocracy of Russia is not a good thing. I don't

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Speaker 1: understand that is this legitimate. It appears to be the

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Speaker 1: fact the failure of our policies, I'm sorry, the failure

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Speaker 1: of our leads to acknowledge that our policies are enabling

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Speaker 1: the persecution of historic Christian communities. Yeah, okay, that that

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Speaker 1: whole thing.

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Speaker 4: Putin somehow the savior of Christianity.

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Speaker 1: That one I don't get. You all are on your

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Speaker 1: own on that one. I don't get satanic. The fact

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Speaker 1: that our policies unite our adversaries together Iraq and Iran,

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Speaker 1: then Russia and China. Now, yeah, that's a legit argument.

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Speaker 1: We can make that argument. There's a better way to

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Speaker 1: I might agree with you or disagree with you, but

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Speaker 1: that's the valid point. Let's see nine. Both letter will

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Speaker 1: lead to massive refuge crises that destabilize European allies and

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Speaker 1: threaten arms our security. I'm sure you and others will

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Speaker 1: try to distance yourselves from the consequences of driving up

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Speaker 1: food prices and migration pressures for the entire continent of Africa.

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Speaker 1: And ten both empower China. Zero point nine is so

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Speaker 1: he's saying, just let Putin take Ukraine and that will

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, you're counting on the fact that

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Speaker 4: I mean to the previous point that we're pushing Putin

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Speaker 4: Russia and China that you can take territory. Now it's

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Speaker 4: open season again, It's the nineteenth century again. I don't

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Speaker 4: understand how that is the case.

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Speaker 1: Well, and again I must say, for how much I

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Speaker 1: love and I mean and not like I'm in favor of,

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Speaker 1: I want to hold a parade for what Trump's doing

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Speaker 1: to the DEI menace and an energy policy. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: listen to talk Doug Bergham talk about energy policy and

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Speaker 1: the Secretary of Energy his name, I don't recall. Just

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Speaker 1: fantastic stuff. It's great, but trying to explain what the

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Speaker 1: hell he's doing re Ukraine is utterly incoherent. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Wanting to hit a little bit of the Wall Street

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know where most of our audience, our

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Speaker 4: of the way Ukraine is being handled by Trump. I

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Speaker 4: I know where the Wall Street Journal is in the

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Speaker 4: New York posts, which are closer to where Joe and

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Speaker 4: I are. But maybe i'll read from that next hour.

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Speaker 4: We've got to get the mail bag coming up a

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Speaker 4: little bit. I would like to hear from you. I

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Speaker 1: Why is that?

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Speaker 4: I was kind of aware of it, really aware of it.

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Speaker 4: Now that is brought to my attention. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: Really interesting. Can you just repeat that?

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Speaker 4: You know, nature has not changed sunrise's plants, that sort

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Speaker 1: Less colorful for some reason. How interesting, I know. I

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Speaker 1: look forward to that discussion. Here's your freedom loving quote

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Speaker 1: of the day. Continuing on with Abe Lincoln, we'll go

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Speaker 1: all time faves. The shepherd drives the wolf from the

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Speaker 1: act as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly, the sheep and

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Speaker 1: the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of Uh.

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Speaker 1: That's a good one, and I think it's apropos to

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Speaker 1: our previous discussion about the situation with Ukraine and Russia

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Speaker 1: and Europe and the rest of it. There are people

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Speaker 1: who seem to have very very different definitions of democracy, liberty,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. Human beings. What are you gonna do with them? Mailback, jobs, note,

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Speaker 1: mail bag at armstrong and Getty dot com. Oh, my goodness,

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Speaker 1: a lot to get to. Let's hit this German censorship.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about Powlo rights on speech restrictions in Germany.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the German people like politeness and suggested that

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Speaker 1: the United States. Yeah, I don't want the governments forcing

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Speaker 1: and I go further. The cultural forces that supported that

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Speaker 1: the rapid, unmanaged flux of people with very different cultural values.

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Speaker 1: Restricting speech is a desperate attempt to maintain their traditional culture.

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Speaker 1: That's diversity for you, Pallo, You are one hundred percent correct,

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Now, maybe diversity is unavoidable in a

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Speaker 1: nation of immigrants. Blah, blah blah blah blah. Our greatest

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Speaker 1: strength is and has always been unity, unity around certain principles,

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Speaker 1: not diversity. Diversity is a challenge to that unity, not

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Speaker 1: that it's necessarily bad, but that moronic Marxist idea that

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Speaker 1: diversity is our greatest strength. And if anybody ever insists

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Speaker 1: anybody adapt to the United States or adopt our principles

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Speaker 1: or you know, assimilate, they're a racist. Good lord, we

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Speaker 1: let those lunatics drag us so far off line. I

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Speaker 1: hope there's coming back anyway. Moving along side show, Bob writes,

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Speaker 1: I sure hope Taiwan gets the message from Trump and

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Speaker 1: doesn't go out and start a war with China. Now, ah, boy,

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Speaker 1: that's a little sarcasm right there. I had picked up

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Speaker 1: on it right off, Thank you boy. A bunch of

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Speaker 1: different reactions to the Trump's Zelensky thing, as you might imagine.

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Speaker 1: Bravo on calling Trump's bs re Ukraine for what it is,

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Speaker 1: a steaming pile from Matt the Idaho farmhand, who's a

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Speaker 1: very very bright and well read guy.

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Speaker 4: Not that not this would not that this would indicate

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Speaker 4: anything about our audience, but was there was there a

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Speaker 4: majority either way on the mail you got.

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Speaker 1: I didn't make a throw enough look at it to

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Speaker 1: render an opinion. Ah let's see. Oh I thought this

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Speaker 1: was so interesting. We got so many Maybe we'll get

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Speaker 1: to him later. But uh, Jafk writes, Uh, I'm a

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Speaker 1: longtime listener, originally from cal Unicornia, but now in this

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Speaker 1: dumpster passing is the state of New York. I know

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Speaker 1: you're primarily talking about world events, blah blah blah. I

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Speaker 1: wonder to bring your attention to the fire that's happening

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Speaker 1: family for their jobs, are fed up and finally standing up.

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Speaker 1: They're out there on the line in freezing temperatures, advocating

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Speaker 1: I had time to read all of this right now.

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Speaker 1: The brief summary is the woke policies about crime and

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Speaker 1: a complete loss of order within the prison system. And

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Speaker 1: it's become incredibly dangerous because of the progressive policies. And

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Speaker 1: that's why these CEOs, the corrections officers are striking. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we'll get into this in more detail later on The

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Speaker 1: greatest way, the hundred percent effective way to discredit progressive

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Speaker 1: policies is to enact them. The problem is a lot

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Speaker 1: of people get hurt.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got some examples of that. Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 4: pretty rough on Trump's handling of Ukraine today. But you know,

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Speaker 4: for some of you, if you feel like that's part

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Speaker 4: lot more on the way.

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