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Speaker 1: With just over a week Togo until the NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: we welcome you to another edition of the Move the

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Speaker 1: Sticks Podcast presented by FedEx. I am Rhet Lewis in

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Speaker 1: today for DJ, and I got my man lanzer Line

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Speaker 1: hanging out with me for the next little bit here

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Speaker 1: as well, we give a DJ and Bucky a little

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Speaker 1: just a little extra rest so that we can make

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Speaker 1: sure that they are good to go for the stretch run.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Lance, Yeah, I have no

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Speaker 1: problem with it. It's good to catch up with you

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Speaker 1: and talk a little draft. I've been without the normal

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Speaker 1: trips to l A that I've been making in the

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Speaker 1: past few years. I'm miss seeing you guys and doing

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Speaker 1: some you know, hitting the touch screen and screwing the

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Speaker 1: touch screen stuff up. You're right about that. We've got

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Speaker 1: plenty of those for the real uh to show, you know,

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Speaker 1: for the personal collection of course. Um, but look, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think, uh, let's let's give the guy the folks

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Speaker 1: out there. Since so what's coming up here in this

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Speaker 1: in this episode? Really excited to hear your interview with

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Speaker 1: Michael Pittman Wide Receiver out of USC which you did

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Speaker 1: for us, and we'll play that for you here and

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Speaker 1: just a little bit, Um, that must have been pretty

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Speaker 1: funny to get to talk to a guy he's kind

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Speaker 1: of like a power forward in this year's wide receiver class. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it really is. He's one of the guys that I

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Speaker 1: really respect in this class, and I feel like he's

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Speaker 1: a safe player. Um, it's a deep wide receiver class,

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Speaker 1: but there's not the you know, there's not the high

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Speaker 1: end Calvin Johnson types, but it's it is deep. But

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Speaker 1: he's one of those guys with size. He has a

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Speaker 1: good feel for his own body type and what he

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Speaker 1: does well and what he's not as good at. So

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Speaker 1: he he tends to play to his own strengths and

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Speaker 1: then he's competitive, you know, when the balls in the air,

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Speaker 1: he's just really really competitive. And that's something I loved

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Speaker 1: about um watching Michael Pittman on tape. So we'll get

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Speaker 1: to that interview here for you. We're also going to

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Speaker 1: run through rounds one through seven by giving you our

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Speaker 1: favorite players from the rounds and Lance, I know, uh,

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Speaker 1: we listened to this. Everybody out there listens to move

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Speaker 1: the sticks. You here, DJ and Bucky talk about red

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Speaker 1: star players guys that look it doesn't it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: where they're gonna come off the board when they're gonna

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Speaker 1: hear their name called. But they are guys that you love,

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Speaker 1: guys that you want on your team, and Lance, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna try to identify one of those guys for each round. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love that concept because you know, it's funny. I

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Speaker 1: don't get a chance to talk about, oh man, this

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Speaker 1: have somebody in the fifth round doesn't mean that you

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Speaker 1: don't love them. And the same thing can be sept

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Speaker 1: for teams. There are teams who love six round picks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: no question. And I'm excited for that too because I

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Speaker 1: saw a lot of these guys that we may see

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Speaker 1: on day three, uh in my coverage of Conference USA

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Speaker 1: So we'll get to that. But let's begin here by

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Speaker 1: starting this episode with one this by looking at the

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Speaker 1: top five in a way that we're not only talking

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Speaker 1: So looking at the top five teams in this year's draft.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the Bengals, talking about the Redskins, the Lions,

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Speaker 1: players that can really help turn these franchises around and

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Speaker 1: what you got for the Dolphins. I'm sorry, the Bengals. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So the Cincinnati Bengals, I would say, obviously, I think

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Speaker 1: Austin Jackson is one of the most athletic tackles that

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Speaker 1: think that would make some sense that pick number thirty three.

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Speaker 1: and then what do you need to do to support

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Speaker 1: But kind of heard the same about Austin Jackson too.

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Speaker 1: five to one favorite. It's just you gotta see what

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Speaker 1: So I can't see any scenario where they trade out

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Speaker 1: so Julius Peppers to me, with David Carr went one

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Speaker 1: edge rusher at number two and Chase Young guys that

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Speaker 1: it's third. So pick number sixty six, they're gonna need

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Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and jump in on the offensive line again,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go with Matt Parrott. And this is

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Speaker 1: because I want to see more physicality, I want to

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Speaker 1: see more finish. But I cannot I cannot dispute the

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Speaker 1: They can't move him until they know that they have

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Speaker 1: be a little bit dangerous trying to find a future starter,

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Speaker 1: but but Matt Parrott has the type of physical traits

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Speaker 1: that type of potential offensive lineman. For me, he's more

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Speaker 1: he has a lot of the physical markers that you want.

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Speaker 1: So you've got to do something to get the disgruntled

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Speaker 1: Has he had one of the best postseason run up

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Speaker 1: to the drafts seasons that we've seen. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: thought he had a terrific Senior Bowl week that really helped.

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Speaker 1: I mean I watched him. He looked so smooth to me.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you want to go back and watch Baylor games

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Speaker 1: and just see if I saw that on tape as well. Um,

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Speaker 1: but he caught the ball well. I thought he was

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Speaker 1: one of the best in show at wide receiver all

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Speaker 1: week in Mobile Well, there's no question. And the problem

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Speaker 1: is you don't see it on tape all the time.

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Speaker 1: And I know he had a he had a foot

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Speaker 1: issue which which hurt him. But playing physical and playing

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Speaker 1: competitively against guys like Jeff Gladney at TCU, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's my knock on him is I didn't see him

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Speaker 1: want it more than the other guys. Now physically he could,

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Speaker 1: he could impose his size on players. But once we

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Speaker 1: got to the Senior Bowl, and this is what the

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Speaker 1: postseason is so great at is exposing potential where we

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Speaker 1: don't know about the foot issue because I've heard that

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Speaker 1: from from a scout, Hayes he's had a you know,

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Speaker 1: he's got a little bit of a foot issue that

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Speaker 1: is really not something that's been talked about, but that's

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Speaker 1: a major, major deal that could play into some of

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Speaker 1: the things that you're not seeing Lance, And we we

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Speaker 1: talked about that a little bit. And if that's the case,

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Speaker 1: then the Senior Bowl and the Calm Line we're big

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Speaker 1: show out opportunities for him and he stuck it. He

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Speaker 1: stuck the landing on both of them and absolutely absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And so now you you got to look at him

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Speaker 1: way differently and say, man, I'm starting to think that, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm starting to think that Denzel Mims if

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Speaker 1: he gets into an NFL system. And but but it

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Speaker 1: always goes back for me is how competitive he is

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Speaker 1: he going to be at the top of his route,

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Speaker 1: and then how physical is he gonna be when the

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Speaker 1: ball gets in the hear Because if he'll be physical,

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Speaker 1: there's no question he'll be a successful on off our receiver,

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Speaker 1: no question, because he's got the body for it. Um

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Speaker 1: And uh, I'm excited to see where he ends up. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So that finishes us up on the Giants. And to

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Speaker 1: go back to your thought about where we see Isaiah

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Speaker 1: Simmons fall Lance, I actually I have him going to

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins at number five. I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I feel like he might just be a safer pick

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Speaker 1: than one of the two quarterbacks. And why are you

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Speaker 1: trying to rush the quarterback if you're the Dolphins. Uh,

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Speaker 1: You've got all the draft capital in the world here

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Speaker 1: with three first round picks that if you want to

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Speaker 1: get a guy that you feel. I guess it all really,

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Speaker 1: Lance depends on how they view the class in terms

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Speaker 1: of how close is to uh to Herbert to love

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Speaker 1: And if the gap isn't that big, then why go

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Speaker 1: get your guy here at five? Right? So I've got

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Speaker 1: him taking Isaiah Simmons, a guy who you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: has some Minka Fitzpatrick like qualities for them that they

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Speaker 1: got out the door uh in the trade to the

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Speaker 1: Steelers and they get man a guy that I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: I talked to an offensive coach um that had some

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Speaker 1: New England ties that said he it would be most

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Speaker 1: difficult for him to game plan if a team used

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons in the way that the Patriots used Jamie

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Speaker 1: Collins as a hybrid type of playmaker linebacker that you

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Speaker 1: can kind of set up almost anywhere, um and let

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Speaker 1: him go out there and make some plays. So, Brian Flores,

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Speaker 1: they're running the show in Miami with obviously experienced in

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Speaker 1: that vein with Jamie Collins, and look, I get it,

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Speaker 1: Isaiah is probably a little bit more talented. Um. I

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Speaker 1: I just I see a fit there, and I think

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Speaker 1: maybe has the opportunity to have a more immediate impact.

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Speaker 1: So I wrote an article. Um I wrote an article

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Speaker 1: where I took a look at the a f C

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Speaker 1: and Chad Reader took a look at the NFC and

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Speaker 1: this this what we're doing is exactly what we took

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Speaker 1: a look at first two picks, what's the best fit.

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Speaker 1: And for the Dolphins, what I wrote was Jedrick Wills,

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Speaker 1: who in our scenario, I've already got him off the board.

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Speaker 1: You know I would. I would personally take Wills if

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Speaker 1: I were the Giants. But I said, with the second pick,

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Speaker 1: a top quarterback, And I said, basically, you have to

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Speaker 1: stick with me on this one. The Dolphins have loads

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Speaker 1: of it. Tell me if this sounds like what you're

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Speaker 1: talking about. They have loads of draft capital unless they

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Speaker 1: are completely comfortable with two h's medical situation, and they'd

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Speaker 1: be well served by taking a top tackle and then

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Speaker 1: using that draft capital to slide up great minds think

513
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Speaker 1: alike and I feel the same way. You've got a

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Speaker 1: chance to get Isaiah Simmons, for example. That's a premier athlete.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got a chance to use your draft capital

516
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Speaker 1: not to just get good players, but get players you love,

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Speaker 1: Get players that you have the red star grades on

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Speaker 1: that you talked about, and so if you love to uh, now,

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Speaker 1: of course you'd probably have to deal with the Chargers

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Speaker 1: potentially taking their choice of quarterbacks at number six. But

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Speaker 1: if only one quarterback has been off and you like

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Speaker 1: and you mentioned there's not a big gap between two

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Speaker 1: other quarterbacks, then the first phone call you're making after

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Speaker 1: you make that selection of Isaiah Simmons at five is

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Speaker 1: you're calling Matt Rule and and and the Carolina Panthers

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Speaker 1: and saying, hey, we'd like to move up to your spot,

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Speaker 1: and we want to give you our first round pick,

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Speaker 1: or maybe even a package of our two first round picks,

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Speaker 1: take both of them. Yeah, yeah, maybe we give you eighteen.

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Speaker 1: And then also what I believe that Texans and and

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Speaker 1: and go up to the seventh, you know, i'd be

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Speaker 1: interesting or to the nine, you know, depending on where

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Speaker 1: that goes. With the Jaguars, um could be an opportunity

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Speaker 1: there unless we we see them as a dark course

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Speaker 1: to get into the first round quarterback market themselves. So like,

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Speaker 1: I think that's interesting. And then I actually just with

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Speaker 1: their uh, you know, we won't get to their second

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Speaker 1: round pick because they have two others in the first

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Speaker 1: their second pick in the first round. I actually had

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Speaker 1: them just sitting and picking. Jordan's love at a team

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Speaker 1: depending on how they feel about him, you know, if

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Speaker 1: he's still sitting there. Yeah, we see it the same.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've got moving up for a second quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But I think you can get your quarterback as long

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Speaker 1: as you're willing to slide around in that draft and

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00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: maneuver and um. And they are uniquely positioned to do

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Speaker 1: just at So there we go. That's how we see

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Speaker 1: it with these top five teams in the first round

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Speaker 1: and then and then kind of in the second round

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Speaker 1: as well, just looking at those first two picks and

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Speaker 1: seeing how we can we can help a team kind

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Speaker 1: of try to turn around a franchise. Here. Hey, let's

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Speaker 1: have a brief interlude here before we get to our

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Speaker 1: favorite players by round, because you know you mentioned off

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Speaker 1: the top of the show here that we usually see

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Speaker 1: in l A. We usually bring out the path of

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Speaker 1: the draft. We have a ton of fun um with

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Speaker 1: you in studio. We're not getting to do that this

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Speaker 1: year because of the coronavirus pandemic and uh, you know

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00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: we're all sitting out here, um, you know, from our

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Speaker 1: houses doing all of our our shows and all of

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Speaker 1: our media responsibilities now practicing safe social distancing. That's how

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00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: we'll see the draft unfold as well when we get

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Speaker 1: to Thursday with the all virtual format. UM. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I certainly wish to continued health and safety to everyone

566
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Speaker 1: out there listening for all of you and your family,

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Speaker 1: Stay safe, stay home, UM. And you know, a big

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Speaker 1: thank you to all of the frontline healthcare workers that

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Speaker 1: are helping us get through this thing and limit the spread. UM.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we we can't have a quarantine lance

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Speaker 1: without a little bit of levity. And you know, the

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Speaker 1: biggest change lance that I've had in my life since

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Speaker 1: the pandemic started was that I now have a camera

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Speaker 1: in my bedrooms with live streaming capabilities. Oh no, that's

575
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: a nightmare that well, I can just see it now.

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00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: I can just hear the TMZ. I'll just hear that

577
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: and the sports and it's hackers and and it starts

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00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: with hackers and ends with Rhett Lewis. Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: You know, like I've I mean thankfully, Like you know,

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00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: my wife is like, we gotta put a blanket over

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00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: that camera. Like, yeah, you're right, we gotta we do.

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Speaker 1: I don't care, you know, whether the streaming unit is

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Speaker 1: off or whatever. But something's gotta cover up that camera. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's just like you have to alter your routines when

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Speaker 1: you're essentially being watched the whole day. Um. While there

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Speaker 1: is the added convenience student lance rolling out of the

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Speaker 1: bed and jumping behind the desk and in front of

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Speaker 1: the camera for a show, there's also the uh, there

589
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: could be the added bit of distraction or or potential

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Speaker 1: embarrassment by walking in front of the camera while you're

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Speaker 1: getting ready for a show. Thankfully that has not happened.

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Speaker 1: So that's always running, always on. Now they have the

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Speaker 1: black it out. They black it out, you know when

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Speaker 1: when the show is off. But you know what if

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Speaker 1: somebody you know just accidentally pushes the button and you know,

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Speaker 1: so we've got the towel over the camera. It's it's

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Speaker 1: when the towels over the camera, it's off to the world.

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Speaker 1: So thank goodness for that. But I'm also curious to

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Speaker 1: see just how this has affected your world and also

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Speaker 1: what you may be hearing from from teams and prospects

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Speaker 1: about how it's affected There's well, so one of the

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00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: first things is that my world is is not really

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Speaker 1: a lot different. I'm just I have to I go

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Speaker 1: to a separate Um, I have a football office that

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Speaker 1: that I use. It's at my radio station. I do

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Speaker 1: a radio morning show and then I write up draft prospects.

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Speaker 1: And I've been doing that since two thousand fourteen. Um,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't change. I do the same two things, only

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Speaker 1: I'm doing them from a different location. So where I

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00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: write things up and how I watch the tape, it's

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Speaker 1: it's just a different location. But my processes is the same.

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Speaker 1: What I found, though, from a draft standpoint, is that

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Speaker 1: NFL executives are saying this is going to be one

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Speaker 1: of the more pure drafts that we've seen because because

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Speaker 1: agents are not going to be able to really manipulate

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Speaker 1: the draft. And when I asked what he meant by that,

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00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: I was told, you know, agents are able to leak

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Speaker 1: private visits the thirty the thirty visits or or kind

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Speaker 1: of secret visits. They lead them to other teams, they

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00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: lead them to media media members to be able to

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Speaker 1: create even more hype and and generate buzz that's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be taking place now. They're not gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to alter, you know, alter narratives is easily because there

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00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: are no pro days going on, and there are no no,

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00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: no individual meetings, and there is an information about you know,

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00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: medical this or medical that they don't have that whatever

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00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: happened at the Combine and then the last few pro

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Speaker 1: days that that they were able to get in before

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Speaker 1: everything shut down. Um, that's it. And so you know,

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Speaker 1: the thought is that the agents are very um at

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Speaker 1: the forefront, I should say, of kind of creating narrative

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Speaker 1: and changing some of the public dialogue and in some cases,

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00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, changing and altering the trajectory of certain draft

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00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: picks when they leak information to two teams that that

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00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: that create and generate some earlier buzz than maybe might

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Speaker 1: have been there for a player. So um, I think

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be a really big deal. And of course

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that players who didn't go to Combine

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00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: their their pathway to hearing their name called and draft

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00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: is much cloudier because they just don't have the workouts,

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00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: they don't have the medicals, because they weren't able to

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Speaker 1: go visit the teams, and they don't have the same

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Speaker 1: the same pro day and uh and medical visits. They

644
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: don't have that information with teams, and teams don't love

645
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: taking chances on guys they don't have enough information on it.

646
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: And how about guys who decided not to work out

647
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: at the combine, decided not to run, you know, and

648
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: and and kind of missed out on that opportunity, you know,

649
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: because they thought they were going to have the pro day.

650
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: I feel for them, you know, I feel for them,

651
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: for those those guys that it really couldn't been a

652
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: difference for um. But that's the world we're living in today,

653
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: in the world we will continue to live in for

654
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: the foreseeable future. As of right now, hopefully we get

655
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: this thing cleared up in time to to start the

656
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: NFL season on time. Certainly haven't heard much to the

657
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: contrary on that point just yet, but certainly hoping that

658
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: that's still the case. And with that, let's get back

659
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: to uh breaking down this draft and doing it by

660
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: listing our favorite players by round. It will we'll go

661
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more, a little bit more high

662
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: speed as we get through this, so we can each

663
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: get a guy for each round once through seven, and

664
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: maybe a bonus, maybe a bonus priority free agent that

665
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: we like down at the end as well. So I'll

666
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: let you kick this thing off here Lance with your

667
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: favorite player from round one. Well, so there's there's three

668
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: that I could look at. Zack Bond cross my mind

669
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: from Wisconsin, Patrick Queen, I like him, you know, Jeddrick

670
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: Wills is might be my favorite, but I want to

671
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: switch it up. I want to mention yeah, because I

672
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: love Jeddrick Wills, but I want to switch this up.

673
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the lock and that's Joe Burrow.

674
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: And let me tell you why he's my favorite. I

675
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: watched him in the summer, wrote down six seven, and

676
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: I was done because he wasn't any better. He wasn't

677
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: any better than a late round pick. The tape wasn't great,

678
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: the decision making was was okay, but through into a

679
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: ton of contested catches, there was nothing special about about

680
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: his tape at all. And when I reached out to

681
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: L s U and some some contexts I have there,

682
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: I said, hey, did I just miss on this kid?

683
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: And and last summer when I watched and they said, no, no,

684
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: you didn't miss on him. You saw him right, he said,

685
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: he's just he's grown as a player, he's gotten better.

686
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: And the fact that a guy and I understand that

687
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: Joe Brady came in and altered the offense. I think

688
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: justin Jefferson moving from a lot of outside reps to

689
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: slot reps was a really big help for for Joe Burrow.

690
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: But the ability of a player to go from also

691
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: ran literally in everyone's book, every scout. There's no scouts

692
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: who thought he was a day to pick to go

693
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: from that to the greatest college season that we've probably

694
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: ever seen in history. Frankly, it wasn't just the biggest

695
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: turnaround we've seen in college history. I've never seen a

696
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: bigger turnaround in sports. And I've I've been doing sports

697
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: talk radio for over twenty years. I've been a lifelong

698
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: sports fan, and I mean across baseball, basketball, football, boxing,

699
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: horse rad I don't care whatever it is. And I've

700
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: never seen one individual player go from where Burrow was

701
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: headed into the season to where he was at the end.

702
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: You might bring up Jeremy Lynn and Lynn sanity for

703
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: small you know, for a relatively brief period of time,

704
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: and there's some other things like that, but Joe Burrow

705
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: through for sixty touchdowns, and not only that, when you

706
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: watch the tape, his ball placement, his accuracy got better

707
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: from last year, and it wasn't even just better. He

708
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: was elite with that. His intangibles are elite. His toughness,

709
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: his confidence and swagger, that that is is is. It's

710
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: he's not overly cocky, but he's got enough cockiness the

711
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: kind that you love. His his ability to slide around

712
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: in the pocket. I just think what Joe Burrow brings

713
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: to the table. He doesn't have a great arm, but

714
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: he works all the way around that with his mind,

715
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: his his play ball placement and his timing. And I

716
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: just think what he was able to do from one

717
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: year to the next. We will never I'm not sure

718
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: we'll ever see anything like that ever again. And I

719
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: just want to make sure. I know he's the first pick,

720
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: and and no one's really talking about it that much

721
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: anymore because he's locked in his number one. But he

722
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: deserves this praise because of what he was able to

723
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: do from last year's tape. It's really staggering, no question,

724
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: And I would agree with you. The things that I

725
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: kept hearing talking to guys that have coached him and

726
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: spent time around him is the the elite processor trade.

727
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: And I know I've said that a couple of times here,

728
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: but um, I can't get over how much that that's

729
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: going to help him at the next level. The ability

730
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: to take information and then to use it in the

731
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: proper way and then have the skills to execute once

732
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: you have the information that's correct. Um. I think for

733
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: so many times there's a disconnect there. You know, either

734
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: don't have the processing ability and you've got the great

735
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: physical talents or vice versa. And I think Joe really

736
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: has both of them. Even if it's not a lead

737
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: arm strength who cares right, it's enough to get the

738
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: job done and to be the number one overall pick.

739
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: I'm with you. My favorite player in the first round

740
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: is Jerry Judy. You know, as a as a former

741
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: wide out, I am a sucker for those wide outs

742
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: that are a master of their craft at the position.

743
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: And is there a better route runner not only in

744
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: this draft, but maybe in the last couple of drafts,

745
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: last few drafts than Jerry, Judy and Lance. When you

746
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: are the author, the originator, in the creator of a

747
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: phenomenon that includes your name, like Judy ing does from

748
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: your insane ability to get off press coverage and break

749
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: people's ankles at the top of your routes, that is

750
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: a phenomenon across South Florida, at the very least on

751
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: high school football fields and and youth football fields. Um,

752
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: I just I love Jerry Judy. I love the way

753
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: he plays the game. I remember tweeting out when I

754
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: watched his first spring game at Alabama when he was

755
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: an early in role lead and he was catching touchdowns,

756
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: and I was like, how soon can we talk about

757
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: this guy on path of the draft. I had known

758
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: nothing about him at that point, and I followed him

759
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: ever since, and I'm glad that time is now. He

760
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: is my favorite Round one player. You know that's a

761
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: by the way. I can't help but every time I

762
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: see Jerry's routes, it's easy to go back to Calvin Ridley,

763
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: who I thought was a fantastic route runner as well.

764
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: But Jerry Judy, in some ways I think is even

765
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: more polished, from the release to you know, to the

766
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: to to the break point, getting out of the break points,

767
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: and not only that, but the more complex bendy routes

768
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: and the multiple breaks. I mean, he's got it all.

769
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: He is really a phenomenal player to watch from routes standpoint. Alright,

770
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: no question Round two here, I'm gonna give you mine

771
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: here Lance, and then I'll let you chime in with

772
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: your favorite round to you player. My favorite player in

773
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: the second round is Jake from the quarterback out of Georgia.

774
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 1: And I know he didn't impress a lot of people

775
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: with the measurables and with at the combine and all that,

776
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: but I remember when we were getting ready for some

777
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: of our combined shows and pre combined shows, we're talking

778
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: about all that that was going on with the measurements,

779
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: and I remember texting um, David Morris, a QB country

780
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: who's been working out with Jake from I don't know

781
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: for years now and his training up here ahead of

782
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: the draft, and I remember texting him. I was like,

783
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: so what do we say? You know, what's what's the

784
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: response to to the hand size that was causing quite

785
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: a ruckus At that point, he goes, well, that's the

786
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: same hand that went to a national championship game, three

787
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: SEC championships, beat out to potential first rounders through for

788
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: over sixty three completion over his career was four to

789
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: one touchdown interception ratio. If teams want to win the

790
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: measurable game, Jake may not be their guy. If teams

791
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: want to win football, games. Jake is their guy, and

792
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: I keep coming back to the fact that when we

793
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: talk about not having the elite physical athletic traits, that

794
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: he beat out two guys who did in college, and

795
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: what's to say he can't do that again at the

796
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: next level. Lance. That's why Jake from is my second guy,

797
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: my second round favorite guy. Yeah. I love some of

798
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: the I love some of the intangibles from Jake, and

799
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it was not a good year

800
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: for Jake from this year and he didn't have the

801
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: same wide receivers he needed, But you go back to

802
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 1: his freshman season and the way that he managed games

803
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: and managed. When I say managed games, I mean people

804
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: look at that as a negative. I mean in control.

805
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: He controlled the path of his offense against an unbelievable

806
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: Alabama team and he did it twice, and I just

807
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: thought it was I thought it was really fun to watch.

808
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: Actually not twice, I think they just played them once

809
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: in the NASH Championship, But that was so much fun

810
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: to watch him operate there. You know, I gotta be honest.

811
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: I think he goes after that this year and I

812
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: want to see if he even makes it in day two.

813
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: But I think people are sleeping on him a little bit,

814
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: and and I've even wondered myself sometimes, is he Are

815
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: we gonna see a guy who, if he gets the

816
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: right pieces around him, ends up making people say, oh,

817
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: wait a minute, that's that guy we saw, you know

818
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: his first two years. I'm with you. I'm with you

819
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: on that, all right. Who's your second round favorite guy?

820
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: My second round favorite guys is Jeff Gladney. And this

821
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: guy is a phenomen when it comes to attacking the football.

822
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: He's got twitch, he's got toughness. I thought that what

823
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: he did against Denzel Mims was it really told me

824
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: a lot about Jeff Gladney. His competitive nature off of press.

825
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: He's very instinctive, and he's got edge, and I think

826
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: sometimes the edge can be um can drift into immaturity,

827
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: and that's gonna have to be something that he can

828
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: try holes When you have his NFL team, say how

829
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: is a player gonna do with more time and more

830
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: money on his hands? And I think Jeff Gladen He's

831
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: gonna have to answer that, just like every NFL prospect

832
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: has to. But from a from a from the standpoint

833
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: of making plays on the football, of instincts, and of toughness,

834
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: and then you saw a guy who ran in the

835
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: four fours at the Combine, ran a good forty time.

836
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: I think Jeff Gladney checks a lot of boxes. The

837
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: only concern that teams are gonna have on him, really,

838
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: or the primary concern it's gonna be size. Are you

839
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: gonna have to play him in slot or does he

840
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: have the potential to play inside outside depending on the matchup,

841
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: Because if he could play inside outside, all that does

842
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: is elevate his you know, his value because of that versatility.

843
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: If they view him as too small to play outside,

844
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: then that that that limits him just a little bit.

845
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: But I think he's tough enough to play outside, and

846
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: I think he's quick enough to play inside. So I

847
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: like Jeff Gladen. He is my best second round is

848
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: my favorite second round pick. You know what, This next

849
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: play might be my favorite in the entire draft as

850
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: I get to round three, and my favorite player in

851
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: round three is a Meek Robertson cornerback out of Louisiana Tech.

852
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: And you know what, I just I feel like it

853
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: won't do it. I won't do it justice talking about

854
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: how much I love a Meek Robertson so let me

855
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: let somebody else do the talking. Get hold singled out

856
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: Wallace for having one of the best games of the season.

857
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: Michael Harris and he is tuned that a shoot, Hi

858
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: pay actually roll out here for Abraham. He was pressured

859
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: right from the start. Let make Robertson with this second

860
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: to the day flooring the Southernmith scoring opportunity. Rhett, that

861
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: you do realize sound familiar? Yeah, that was you saying,

862
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: listen to me tell you about a meek Robertson. That's

863
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: what that was, right, Well, shoot, okay, that was me

864
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: and it worked up sometimes when we're calling the games.

865
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: But this dude, and that was both of those calls.

866
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: That big hit on Michael Harris of Southern Miss and

867
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: the interception of Jake Abraham Jack Abraham Southern Miss, that

868
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: was of the same game. He was the best player

869
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: on the field. Now we don't often say that about cornerbacks,

870
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: but he was the best player on the field, and

871
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: that I'm you know what, there's probably a couple of

872
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: other games in his career where that's happened. Uh. He

873
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: had a big old hit against Texas against those two

874
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: really high quality wide receivers in UH in Devin Duvernet

875
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: among them. Um in the opener for Lazzech he is

876
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: a really good player. I kind of size wise, he

877
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit of Mark McMillan. Um, you know,

878
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: back in the in the nineties with the Eagles and

879
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs. But he will sting you, a meek

880
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: Robertson will stink. Do not let his size fool you.

881
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: He will hit you. And he is as instinctive a

882
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: corner as I've seen in person in the last couple

883
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: of years, watching him come off of coverage to read

884
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: a quarterback size and then make an interception twice it

885
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: happened in that game against Southern Myths. Um, I'm really

886
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: impressed with him. And then when I when you learn

887
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: a little bit about its background, Um, you know, you

888
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: understand that he's dealt with adversity and responsibility from a

889
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: very young age. His father was in prison for much

890
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: of his childhood. He had a son when he was

891
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: fifteen years old. And this kid knows what it means

892
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: to play for your family and to understand the responsibility

893
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: that that brings. And I am not betting against him, no,

894
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: I He's probably the most impressive player that I've seen

895
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: in terms of his tape maybe through the whole process,

896
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: other than a guy like Joe Burrow. Um it's it's

897
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: against sometimes lesser competition. And yet when you watched him

898
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: against Colin Johnson, he didn't really get matched up on

899
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: DuVernay much because he was an outside corner. When you

900
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: watched him on Colin Johnson, who's six ft five, and

901
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: then you see a Meek who's much much smaller, a

902
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: Meek almost was the bigger man at the line of scrimmage.

903
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: The way he played. He's extremely aggressive, but his ball

904
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: skills and and instincts are on the elite side. And

905
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: I don't like using that word often. I think it's

906
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: used way too often. But you talked about the plays

907
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: against Southern Miss. That interception was ridiculous in the Southern

908
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: Miss game. It was the hit was a big monster shot.

909
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: But but but his his interceptions this year, he's got

910
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: fourteen career interceptions, forty seven passes defense career, and he's

911
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: got in the twenties with his um tackles for loss.

912
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: I mean that is that is a combination of attitude,

913
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: of instincts and then of just just special playmaking skill

914
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: and that's what he's got, and it was. It was

915
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 1: so fun to watch him on tape. I mean, probably

916
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: the most fun tape that I had a chance to

917
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 1: watch all year long. I'm not even joking. I don't

918
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: want to take your guy because I think he's I

919
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: think he's gonna go on the fourth. But my third rounders,

920
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: Harrison Bryant a tight end. This is another one who

921
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: I thought was a lot of fun tight end out

922
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: of Florida Atlantic. Look, he's he was. He weighed in

923
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,479
Speaker 1: it just over to forty before he ran his forty

924
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: yard dash. He's been the low two thirties. He's not

925
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: a big guy. He's gonna be an undersize tight end.

926
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: But what he is he reminds me a little bit

927
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: of Frank White check back in the day. He can,

928
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: he can block you, he can put hat on hat.

929
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: He's a physical um well, he's an aggressive blocker. He's

930
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: he's not big enough to I don't know if i'd

931
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: call him physical, but he's not a big guy. But

932
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: he will stick his nose in. He will get guys blocked.

933
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: He's ultra competitive. And then I always go back to this.

934
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: He split out twice against Jeffrey a Couta in the

935
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: Ohio State game and got catchers on him twice. And

936
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, I mean that's Jeffrey Coota now.

937
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: And Harrison Bryant is one of the most fluid past

938
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: catchers in space in this year's draft. It's like watching

939
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: a basketball player UH maneuver around as a route runner.

940
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: And I think he's really going to make someone extremely

941
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: happy as a dual threat um tight end who can

942
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: kind of work out of an H back or off

943
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: set at um, you know, wingback location and still get

944
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: blocks done, work on a in a running game and

945
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: be a big part of the running game, but then

946
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: get out in space and mismatch people. So Harris and

947
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: Bryant Florida Atlantic, that's my that's my my crush in

948
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: the third round. Great one and maybe an example of

949
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: the modern day tight end UH in today's NFL. I

950
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: think that was a great choice. Let's move to round

951
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: four and I am gonna steal a line from your

952
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: draft profile, James proche S m U wide receiver. I

953
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: don't know necessarily that this is where he's gonna end up,

954
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: but I had to find a home for him because

955
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 1: I loved watching him at the Senior Bowl this year.

956
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: He and Denzel Mims or maybe my two favorite receivers

957
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: in mobile. I loved watching him run routes, his hands unbelievable.

958
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: But here's the line that I stole from you, Lance,

959
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: preposterous ball skills and instincts. Proposterous, Like you cannot believe

960
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: that this dude went up and made that catch. Is

961
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: compete level um at the at the high point for

962
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: a ball, and his his ability to come down with

963
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: the ball in so many different um positions and situations

964
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 1: is extremely impressive. He's a dude. I one on my team. Yeah,

965
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: he I mean, his highlight rail is ridiculous. It's almost

966
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: like he hopes that you will throw it outside the

967
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: catch radius so he can do something ridiculous. It's almost

968
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: like he's like, please please throw it up here, out

969
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: of my out of reach, so I can do something ridiculous.

970
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: And it is preposterous. What he does, what he did

971
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: was absolutely I could pull up the definition. I went

972
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: and google this true story. I went to dictionary dot com,

973
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: and I said, I want to make sure that preposterous

974
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: is the perfect is the perfect definition for what I'm

975
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: feeling while I'm watching this because because I felt like

976
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: it really needed to really pop, because it's unlike it's

977
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: it's unlike anything else that you'll see. And here's here's

978
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: the definition for preposters right now, contrary to reason or

979
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: common sense, utterly absurd or ridiculous. I would say I

980
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: nailed it with with his ball skills, because that's what

981
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, you nailed it. Um, I love it.

982
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: Who's your round four? My round four guy is gonna

983
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: be somebody who's not talked about much. And his name

984
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: is Tyree Phillips. He's a He's a left tackle at

985
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: Mississippi State who I think will need to be um

986
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: a guard in the NFL. He's a great, big human

987
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: he is. He's really big and body type can get

988
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 1: a little sloppy, so he's gonna have to watch the way.

989
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: But it's rare when I turned on tape and I

990
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: watch a guy moved Derek Brown around, It's pretty hard

991
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: to move dB five around. That's not gonna happen very often.

992
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: And Tyree Phillips is one of the rare players in

993
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: this draft with the with the physical, with the size

994
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: and the power to sustain and move bigger players and

995
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: that's something that you see from NFL guards, and it's

996
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: kind of a throwback talent. Now, he's not a great bender,

997
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: so that's a little bit of a concern or a question,

998
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: and he's got to prove he can move inside and

999
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: play guard. But I think Phillips, who might even go

1000
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: on the fifth round. I think someone's gonna get a

1001
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 1: steal from him. His his workout wasn't great, His senior

1002
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: Bowl was just okay. But when you turn on the tape,

1003
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: I love the way he responds as a run blocker,

1004
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 1: and I think I think his his mass is gonna

1005
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: really help in terms of UH sitting down against bull

1006
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: rushers on the next level. So I think Phillips has

1007
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: a chance to really outplay his draft slotting in the

1008
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth round before this exercise, we'll call it

1009
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: the fourth round. I love that, and UH, I love

1010
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: that we get to learn about some of these prospects

1011
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: from Lance a wealth of knowledge some guys that we

1012
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: don't talk about enough or a lot um in these

1013
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 1: in these spaces as we get closer to the draft,

1014
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: and now we're getting a chance to do that here.

1015
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with the old line theme here for

1016
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: round five and again, you know, once we get to

1017
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: day three. You know, Lance, you know as good as anybody.

1018
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a crapshoot where we're gonna

1019
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: see some of these guys go depending on whether teams

1020
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: you know, are selecting with their final draft pick in

1021
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: the fifth round and want to make sure they get

1022
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: a guy. Um, you know, maybe they're maybe the sixth

1023
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: round is their last choice, so they gotta they gotta

1024
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: maybe get a guy that would have gone in the

1025
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: seventh or is higher on their board. You know, it's

1026
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: really hard to project here from rounds five through seven.

1027
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go. I cannot give you a list

1028
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: of my favorite players without including a Hoosier. Do you

1029
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: have any idea who I'm who I'm picking here in

1030
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: round five? Uh, Danny, it'd be step or Danny No, no,

1031
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: Danny y Yeah that's yeah. I just get those mixed up.

1032
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: So it's Stepan stepani Ac Dale Lineman Stepanic, Yeah, Simon

1033
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,439
Speaker 1: Stepanic yeah yeah right. Uh he is he is a

1034
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: Bulldozer Road Greater bench pressing freak show. Um, and he

1035
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: was one of Bruce Feldman's freaks this year. I mean,

1036
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: the dude throws up weight like you wouldn't believe, even

1037
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: just a couple of you know, months removed from torn

1038
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: a c L surgery. Um, you know, he comes in

1039
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: there and fires up by one of the best second

1040
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: best bench press totals we saw at the Combine this year.

1041
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 1: So the injury during Bowl prep, you know, might hurt

1042
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: where he might have gone, might make him go a

1043
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 1: little bit later, depending on how teams see the recovery. Again,

1044
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: another guy I'm not betting against. And the next in

1045
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 1: what's been a nice little lineage of Indiana offensive lineman

1046
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: making the transition to the next level. Um, which last

1047
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: year we had West Martin go in the fourth round

1048
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 1: of the Redskins and it's kind of been in play

1049
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: there as one of their rotational offensive lineman. So, um,

1050
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: I think Simon Stepanak is in that mold as an

1051
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: interior old lineman. And uh he is my favorite fifth

1052
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: round player. Yeah, I like that. He is a powerful guy.

1053
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: And I really liked Wes Martin. He was one of

1054
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: my late fins. He was one of my last twenty

1055
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: five guys I wrote up and I'm like, WHOA, And

1056
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: I gave him a fourth round grade. And I think

1057
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: he's a future starter. Um, Isaiah Hodgens is my fifth

1058
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: rounder wide receiver out of Oregon State. And here's another

1059
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: and and and he's a perfect embodiment of why we

1060
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: talk about this being such a deep wide receiver class.

1061
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: Isaiah Hodgens is Jake Lewton. Really. You know, when you

1062
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: watch Jake Luton, you're watching Isaiah Hodgens because he fell

1063
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: in love with Isaiah's Hodgens. And I can tell you

1064
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 1: it's it's not a bad guy to have a player

1065
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: with his height, his length, and then his ability when

1066
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: the ball goes up in the air to hyper focus

1067
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: and make the big play. He had to catch on

1068
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: the sideline against Jalen Johnson that from Utah, one of

1069
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 1: the one of the better corners in this draft as well.

1070
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: That was just phenomenal. And then the more you watch,

1071
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 1: the more you see the same kind of ball skills

1072
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: and the knock on him. The reason he's a fifth rounder,

1073
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: I think his ball skills and wide receiver talent is,

1074
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, just in a vacuum is more of a

1075
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: day to talent. But he's not gonna be the fastest,

1076
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be the most sudden getting out of

1077
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: his in and out of his breaks, and so the

1078
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: question becomes, can Isaiah Hodgens separate and get open? Can

1079
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: he uncover enough for um for all core max to

1080
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: throw to him and not just the most accurate are

1081
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: good guys with the biggest arms, And I think that's

1082
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: a real concerner question mark. But I just think he's

1083
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: gonna beat those concerns and question marks because his body positioning,

1084
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: his feel for posting up another player and capturing the

1085
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: catch space, and then you know everything that goes into

1086
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 1: ball skills, including focus and desire, they end up in

1087
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: his favor much of the time. So I'm going Isaiah

1088
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: Hodgens from Oregon State as a fifth rounder who I

1089
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 1: absolutely love. I love that as well as I get

1090
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: you into round six here. Uh. I'm gonna try to

1091
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: tell you a quick story here, but let me make

1092
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: sure I do it justice. I saw Omar Bayless, Arkansas

1093
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: statewide receiver at the nfl p A All Star Game,

1094
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: and doing some research on him, I just I was

1095
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: amazed at this story. I'll take you back to from

1096
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 1: April to August of two thousand and eighteen, Omar lost

1097
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: four people family and friends that were very close to him.

1098
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: So it spanned four months, four people very close to him,

1099
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 1: including his uncle, died. He played that season at Arkansas

1100
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 1: State at thirty nine receptions, which had kind of been

1101
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: par for the course for his Red Wolf career. He

1102
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: went back home in January and it's like it hit

1103
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: him right. He he just he realized that Christmas break,

1104
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: Holly break, you know, these people that I had grown

1105
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 1: up with are no longer there. And it hit him

1106
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: so hard, in fact, that he considered not going back

1107
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: to Arkansas State, not not only to not play football,

1108
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: but just to not go back to school. Well, Arkansas

1109
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: State head coach Blake Anderson UM played an instrumental role

1110
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: in bringing him back, not only to get him back

1111
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: on the football field, because he was so close to graduating.

1112
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: And yeah, I believe I read a story in which,

1113
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: you know, coach Anderson actually you know, was said he

1114
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: was going to drive to Laurel, Mississippi and pick him

1115
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: up himself, just to get him back in the classroom

1116
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: to make sure he graduated, even if he never played

1117
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: another down to football. Um, which I thought was pretty cool.

1118
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: And as you know from following this last football season,

1119
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: at this time, coach Anderson's wife, Wendy was dealing with

1120
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: camp her um and so when Omar came back, he

1121
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 1: did come back in nineteen he had started to develop

1122
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: this really close bond with Wendy Anderson, so much so

1123
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: that he'd spend hours every week at the Anderson home

1124
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: just talking to Wendy. They talk about life and loss

1125
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:22,919
Speaker 1: in good times and it's like they bonded over there

1126
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: their shared adversity. And as you know now, in August

1127
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: of that year, Wendy passed on from her battle with

1128
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: breast cancer with cancer, and at that point Coach Anderson

1129
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: was worried about Omar. Well man, he now he's lost

1130
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: you just you know, I've lost my wife here, but

1131
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: Omar has lost another person very close to him. But

1132
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: in this scenario, it was it was Bayliss playing the

1133
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: support system for Coach Anderson and his family, wanting to

1134
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: be strong for them. And I thought that was that

1135
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: was so powerful and so cool. In fact, they become

1136
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: so close that it meant so much to him to

1137
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: help the Anderson family out here that he dedicated his

1138
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: last season in Arkansas State to Windy and so for

1139
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: a receiver who had never had more than thirty nine

1140
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 1: receptions and five sixty six yards. He exploded catches almost

1141
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: seventeen hundred yards seventeen touchdowns, which was double his entire

1142
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: career production in in terms of touchdowns UM leading into

1143
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: that year, and was the Sun Belt Conference Player of

1144
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: the Year, First Team All Sunbelt And I just like,

1145
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: I love those stories. And he's a guy that I'm

1146
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: rooting for and my favorite sixth round player. I hope

1147
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: he goes earlier than that. UM, but that's where I

1148
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: got him right now. Yeah, that's such an awesome story

1149
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: for him. And he's he's another one with phenomenal ball skills,

1150
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: big guy, great ball skills, but dealt with adversity. And

1151
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times NFL teams talk

1152
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: about players who have the toughness from dealing with adversity

1153
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: in the past and their ability to succeed not just

1154
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: not just on the football field, right, but I mean

1155
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: their ability to succeed moving forward in life because they

1156
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: have that in their background where they have have have

1157
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: been able to overcome obstacles and many that many of

1158
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: us you know, are not able to and and it's

1159
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: it's a testament to the kids mental toughness and the

1160
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: support that he got from people around him without question,

1161
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: um with you, it's so cool. So who's your round

1162
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: six guy? My round six guys? A player who I

1163
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: was really high on after watching him on tape. And

1164
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things I found his NFL

1165
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: teams didn't like him as much, and then he didn't

1166
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: have a great pro day. So i've i've I've relegated myself.

1167
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: I understand that he's probably gonna go fit or six round.

1168
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: But Javon Lake out of Maryland. I mean, the thing

1169
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: with Javon Lake is that this running back who is

1170
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: Anthony McFarlane gets a lot of the gets a lot

1171
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: of the attention, a lot of the love. Out of Maryland,

1172
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: he had more carrious things like that. But Javon Lake

1173
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: is an absolute playmaker. And I don't understand why he

1174
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: did he ran in the four fives because on the

1175
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: field he's much much faster. So I am going to

1176
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: anticipate him getting drafted in the sixth round, which I

1177
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: think is probably accurate. But I think he has the

1178
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: ability to become a much better running back than that. Now,

1179
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: he did have thirty four ins vertical leap and a

1180
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, a ten five broad jump, which

1181
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: are good explosive numbers, but I'm sorry, he ran a

1182
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: four six five at the combine. That's going to sink

1183
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: his stock. Does this sound like a four six five

1184
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: guy to you? He averaged um while he was there,

1185
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: a touchdown every eight point five carries during his career.

1186
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: He um and that's which is a huge number. He's

1187
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: a kick returner with three touchdowns during his career. He

1188
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: has touchdowns as a as a pass catcher as well.

1189
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: He averaged close to nine yards per carry during his

1190
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: career in Maryland. I mean he's explosive as a one

1191
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: cut back, and I think that's the kind of guy

1192
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: that you really have to focus in on when you

1193
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: want late round running backs that overplay where they're drafted

1194
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: or come out of nowhere like Raheem Monster did with

1195
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty niners. I think Javon Lake is

1196
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: going to be that guy this year. That's awesome. I

1197
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: love the return ability as a bonus in this sort

1198
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: of space in the draft on Day three. Is a

1199
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: guy that can help you get on the field. You

1200
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: know that you can you can pound the table for

1201
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: the special teams coaches in on the pick, you know,

1202
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: like that kind of stuff. Um, I really like in

1203
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: in in this round in particular. All right, I'll take

1204
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: us into the seventh round. Another guy that I saw,

1205
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: another receiver that I saw at the NFL p A

1206
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: All Star Game, and he was the best in show

1207
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: all week, particularly in one on one drills. I'm talking

1208
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: about Chris Rowland from Tennessee State. Um. You know, I

1209
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: just I I fell in love watching this guy in

1210
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: one on ones. He was un guardable. Um. Santana Moss

1211
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: was his wide receiver's coach by the way, all week,

1212
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: which I thought was pretty cool because he's like the

1213
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: only guy that can actually look Chris Rolling in the eye.

1214
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm talking about a guy who's like five ft seven

1215
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: here in uh in Rolling, and I remember watching one

1216
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: rep in particular where he ran and just absolutely broke

1217
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: somebody's ankles on a little whip route. UM and Santana Moss,

1218
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: I don't even know if Rolling could hear him, but

1219
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, somebody's gonna love and I was like, yeah,

1220
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: you know what, You're probably right he's got some return ability.

1221
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: Uh as well, he had a terrific practice week. We

1222
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: didn't see it show up unfortunately as much in the game. Um.

1223
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: But the offensive coordinator that week, Kevin Mawai, I was like, man,

1224
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: we're trying to get the ball in this kid's hands

1225
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: as much as possible. We gotta draw, we might give

1226
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: it to him on um. He's a player with the

1227
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: ball in his hands and he can make people miss it.

1228
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: He's a fun watch. I got another one that was

1229
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: a fun watch, and that's Zane Lewis, who's cornerback out

1230
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: of Air Force. And listen, air Force cornerbacks typically aren't

1231
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: going to be six one and run a four four

1232
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: five forty. But that's what happened. I mean, height, weight, speed,

1233
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: cornerback coming out of Air Force. And it wasn't just sad.

1234
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: You know. He tested really well with the three cone

1235
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: as well, six point eight seven short shuttles for three

1236
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: eight was a four point three eight. But he's fluid

1237
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,439
Speaker 1: and smooth and his back pedal he's got a little

1238
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: smoothness and his hips. Um, he looks comfortable playing and

1239
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: off and and and mirroring and matching routes. And I

1240
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: just I couldn't believe what I was seeing because as

1241
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: a late round corner, you don't expect to see you

1242
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,439
Speaker 1: expecting to see him out of small schools and guys

1243
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: who are a little bit raw. Or maybe you'll see

1244
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: a guy who used to be at a Division one

1245
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: school that got a little bit of trouble and then

1246
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: he bounced to a Division to school, whatever the case

1247
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: may be. I don't usually see Service Academy cornerbacks pop

1248
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: up on my list of players to watch. But after

1249
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: he tested really well, and I know he was in

1250
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: East West as well, I believe, um, I went and

1251
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: looked at him and I was very pleasantly surprised. So

1252
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: to me, he's got talent to maybe even go higher

1253
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: than that. But I would say Zane Lewis is one

1254
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: of the guy with high weights with wait, with speed,

1255
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: the physical attributes, the play attributes, Uh, the character is

1256
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: supposed to be rock solid, which shouldn't surprise you. And

1257
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: maybe we could be looking at a Bill Belichick special.

1258
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: They're a Service Academy player with good size and speed

1259
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: to to to maybe you know, learned behind a guy

1260
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: likes to find gilmore, you know, and um, if if

1261
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: I give you a quick bonus on a on a

1262
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: priority free agent, um a guy I wo'd love to

1263
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: see drafted higher or hear his name called it all

1264
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: and maybe might not happen. But another Service Academy guys

1265
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: Cole Christiansen linebacker, absolute tackling machine. Um. He was a

1266
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: two time captain at Army and when you are a

1267
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: leader of leaders at West Point, I think that means something. Um.

1268
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: And just you know, you brought up the the Service

1269
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: Academy corner and so it just it rang a bell

1270
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: in my head. I don't know if you watched Elijah

1271
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: Riley yet, uh corner from Army. No, I've got him

1272
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: to what Yeah, I've got him as one of my

1273
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: last twenty to watch. Yeah, go watch the Michigan game

1274
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: and the U t s a game and you're gonna

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Speaker 1: see a familiar theme and I'll let you come back

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01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: to me on a later episode and tell me if

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01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: you figured out what it was. Awesome. We would love

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01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: to that. Yeah. Yeah, So look that's uh, those are

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01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: our favorite players by round. Um. I thought that it

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01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: was a fun way to kind of get some other

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01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: names out there that we haven't talked about yet. Uh.

1282
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite kind of topics to talk

1283
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: about as we lead up to the draft. Um. And

1284
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, a guy either one of us could have

1285
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 1: had as our favorite player, you know, maybe even in

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01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: round one, but most probably in round two is USC

1287
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: wide receiver Michael Pittman. And Lance had a chance to

1288
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: catch up with Pittman earlier today, and we've got that

1289
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: inter for interview for you. Now. First of all, thank

1290
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: you for joining us today. Michael. Let's get right into it,

1291
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: because you know, I was speaking with a West Coast scout,

1292
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 1: a friend of mine. We were talking about you, uh

1293
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: mid season. I was asking about you and his thoughts,

1294
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, I give him a lot

1295
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: of credit because he went back to school last year

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01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: to work on his craft. And he said, a lot

1297
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: of guys go back to school and you see the

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01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: same guy come back the next year. He said, I

1299
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: didn't see the same guy with with Pittman. I saw

1300
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: a guy who really worked on the route running and

1301
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: the elements that that he said he was gonna work on.

1302
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: He worked on it, and he said it really showed

1303
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: up on the field. I'm just trying to like separate myself.

1304
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: So what makes a big guy better? And and and

1305
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: I feel like now I feel like NFL prototypical receivers.

1306
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: I feel like they're getting smaller versus what it used

1307
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: to be like twelve years ago. So you have to

1308
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: have those small man traits and you could put it

1309
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: in a bigger package. So when I talk about small

1310
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,919
Speaker 1: man traits, like I'm talking about quick feed, I'm talking

1311
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: about route running, being able to stop and just like

1312
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Yeah. So you know, one of the

1313
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: things that you I thought you did really well this

1314
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: year was getting in and out of breaks, which is

1315
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: the small man trades that you talk about. You know,

1316
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: your dad was an NFL running back, and one of

1317
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: the things that you've got to have the quick gathering

1318
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: cut at the running back position. Um, how did you

1319
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: how did you how did you find tune the footwork

1320
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: in terms of in and out because you've got it,

1321
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 1: you curious certain amount of weight, you got a hire

1322
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 1: center of gravity naturally, how did you get to where

1323
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: you could elevate that area of your game? Yeah, So

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01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: I mean it just comes with like I would say,

1325
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: it comes to like repetition and just just like doing

1326
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: it day after day after day, like it almost becomes natural.

1327
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:32,439
Speaker 1: Just um, dropping that weight, you know, getting your head

1328
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: over your knees and getting like in and out of

1329
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: breaks and just cheeping your feet moving. Um. That's album

1330
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: that I've been working on since like day one because

1331
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 1: I started playing receiver when I was a junior in

1332
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: high school, so all of that stuff didn't really come natural, uh,

1333
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: because I hadn't ever played it until my my two

1334
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: last years of high school. So I really had to

1335
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: work on that. And it's almost like I had to

1336
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: relearn football because I was because I was a running back,

1337
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: I was a safety, and I was an outside linebacker.

1338
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: So um, I made that job. You know. I was

1339
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: finding interesting, um when I see guys who played multiple

1340
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: positions in high school, because I feel like they see

1341
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: the field better or maybe they just have a better

1342
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: you know, a diversity of skill sets because they've been

1343
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: asked to do that, even if it was just for

1344
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: a couple of years on the high school level. Do

1345
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 1: you think that's accurate or do you see any of

1346
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 1: that with your game? Yeah, I think that's somewhat accurate, because, um,

1347
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 1: it's accurate because I know what the defensive mindset is

1348
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: and I know most of the defensive coverage and schemes. Um.

1349
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: But as you get older, like defense becomes more advanced,

1350
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: players get better, so there's like slight differences, but um,

1351
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: I definitely think that it did help me. How did

1352
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: your game? How's your game changed in terms of what

1353
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: in season coverages? After that Utah game, things must have

1354
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: gotten a lot different. You you put together a monster

1355
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: game against U Tall and it had I know a

1356
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: lot of the scouting community in the NFL buzzing. What

1357
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: did you see from a from a coverage standpoint? It

1358
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: was different, um this year than maybe you saw last season. Yeah,

1359
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: so even before that game, I started to see more

1360
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: like double like like double cloud coverage. UM. One thing

1361
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: I saw really often was they will put the cornerback

1362
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: in a press and like he would like man me,

1363
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: and then they put a safety overtop or like they

1364
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: bring out that like the end like kind of like

1365
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: pressed me and then put the corner over top. And uh.

1366
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: Those were the most common types of double teams that

1367
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: I saw most of the year. But um, I felt

1368
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: like coach Graham like had a great scheme and we

1369
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 1: found ways around that. And then also having like to

1370
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: like other guys who were like who are gonna be

1371
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: in the draft next year? In uh in um st

1372
01:08:56,439 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: Brown and Bonds. So those guys were uh, we're picking

1373
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: up my slack, and Uh, I think that they did

1374
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: a great job. Now maybe I'm wrong here, but when

1375
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: I watched, I watched and wrote up Juju Smith Schuster,

1376
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: and I know it's a USC thing, and I know

1377
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's easy to say USC big wide receiver.

1378
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you a lot of the strengths that

1379
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: I see from your game really apply to what you

1380
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,919
Speaker 1: know he did and what he does now. The ball skills,

1381
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: the back shoulder stuff, the focus when the ball goes

1382
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: down the field and you're in the strong hands, the

1383
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: competitive nature do you you know, do you have any

1384
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,600
Speaker 1: type of do you look up to him or do

1385
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 1: you do you see any emulation of talent or did

1386
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: you emulate anything that he did while he was at USC? Definitely? Um.

1387
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: When I came in, it was Juju's last year, uh

1388
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: and Juju and uh Juju had just came off of

1389
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 1: a fourteen huntre yard season and and what I took

1390
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: from him was just his mindset. Um, you can't tell

1391
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: him no, you can't tell him that he's not that like.

1392
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: You can't tell him that he's not gonna win, and

1393
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: just his drive and his and his like competitiveness is

1394
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: something that I took and copied because I saw a

1395
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: dude like who is so fierce that he just doesn't

1396
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: ever lose, like and like if he does lose, and

1397
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: he keeps going until he wins. So so that's why

1398
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: I took from him I saw firsthand. So one of

1399
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: the weaknesses I put for him, because no one likes

1400
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 1: to think they have any weaknesses, I guess, but I

1401
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: just put top end speed is not you know, I

1402
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: thought that was pretty much just a given. Well, of course,

1403
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: he basically took a screenshot of that and posted that

1404
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: when he had a seven yard touchdown catching on touchdown

1405
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: against the Lions. Yeah on Detroit scouting report. Yeah. Well, um,

1406
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 1: he's a very like motivated guy, um and stuff like that.

1407
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 1: I feel like like he like wants to prove like

1408
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 1: he wants to prove people wrong. So I guess that

1409
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: I was a win for right there. So let me

1410
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 1: ask you this the process itself, UM, obviously much different

1411
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: for every draft prospect. Did you did you do you?

1412
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: Were you set to graduate this year or last year?

1413
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: Was this year supposed to be your graduation? So I

1414
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: graduated at the beginning of the semester last year. Um,

1415
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: so basically when I was playing this season, I had

1416
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: I had chess class, I had yoga class, and like

1417
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: a social issues class. So I was pretty much just

1418
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: playing football. You know. Um, I have really easy classes

1419
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 1: that just like allowed me to to be like a

1420
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: football player. So you've got a YouTube channel with your girl,

1421
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: I've seen it. I ran into some videos and I

1422
01:11:56,280 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: was watching its produced, like it's edited and produced really well.

1423
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: This is not just somebody throwing something up there. You guys,

1424
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: thank you does who who puts all the post production together?

1425
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: She does everything. Um, I'm just like in the videos.

1426
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: She filmed them, she edits them, she posts them up,

1427
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: she does the promo on them. But she actually pranked

1428
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: me pretty good, like two or three days ago. So

1429
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 1: she got a fake pregnancy test and and she made

1430
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: me think that I was gonna be a dad. Um

1431
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna lie. Like I was kind of

1432
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 1: like excited about it, and then and then like I

1433
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 1: was sad like when she told me like she wasn't

1434
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: pregnant because because like we've been together for seven years,

1435
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 1: we've been living together for three years now, so I

1436
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: said that we're pretty settled. But I would say that

1437
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 1: she got me pretty good high school sweethearts. Yes. So, Um,

1438
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 1: when you have someone who you know that well and

1439
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: who knows you that well, does that make this situation

1440
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: that you're going through a little bit easier? Doesn't married?

1441
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: I've been married for nineteen years, and so I find

1442
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:06,719
Speaker 1: that there's you know, this is something we've never been through.

1443
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: You're going through a once and hopefully of once in

1444
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: a lifetime issue with COVID nineteen and a once in

1445
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 1: a lifetime thing with the draft and the uncertainty of

1446
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: your future. I would imagine having someone that's a rock

1447
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 1: is really important for you. Yeah. I mean she just

1448
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 1: like gives me comfort. Um. Uh, She's someone that I've known,

1449
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 1: like we've known each other ever since like middle school,

1450
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 1: I ever since seventh grade. She's someone that I trust with,

1451
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: um everything, And UM, it's just good to have that,

1452
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: like in your corner. Did you did you find the

1453
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 1: process of Senior Bowl and UM combined interviews? They're always famous.

1454
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 1: I think sometimes there are may be blown a little

1455
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,719
Speaker 1: bit out of proportion for these strange things that get asked.

1456
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 1: Did you sense when teams were trying to the list

1457
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 1: of a reaction out of you or was there anything

1458
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 1: bizarre that happened with you individually? Um, I can tell

1459
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: when they're trying to get a reaction. But I didn't

1460
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: really get any tough questions. Um. They pretty much went

1461
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: easy on me. Um. I don't have any like off

1462
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: the field questions, so there was no real hard, tough,

1463
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: weird questions like asked me because like if if you

1464
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 1: look at my record, like it's pretty straight. Um uh,

1465
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: so they went easy on me. Do you have you studied?

1466
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: Do you know the other wide receivers in this class?

1467
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: If you had a chance to, do you watch other

1468
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 1: players in your own draft class? Um? I don't so

1469
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 1: much study them, but I pretty much know most of

1470
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 1: them from like watching them on Saturdays before my game

1471
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: or after my game. UM. I would say that there

1472
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: is a lot of talent and there's a lot of

1473
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:53,440
Speaker 1: guys that could be first round guys. Um, but unfortunately,

1474
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: like not everybody can be that, and UM, I wish

1475
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: all of them the best, and uh, we'll just see

1476
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: what happens on a day. Did you you ran fast?

1477
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: I think you ran faster than a lot of people

1478
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 1: expected for your size. You had to you had a

1479
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: good workout at the combine. Did you Um that was

1480
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 1: a much later start time than people are used Do

1481
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 1: you think you're but but you play night games on

1482
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: the Like I was wondering how your body clock responded

1483
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: to all that. Yeah. So for me, like he was

1484
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 1: just a pack club after dark game. Uh. From everybody else, UM,

1485
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 1: I can kind of see that it was kind of

1486
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: wearing like on their body, Like guys were getting tired

1487
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 1: and guys were cramping up and like stuff like that. Um.

1488
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 1: We also ran a little bit longer because of like

1489
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: the TV and everything that, like unforeseen things that stretched

1490
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: it out. Like I think we got out of there

1491
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 1: like eleven like twenty. We got in there at four

1492
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: and got out like at eleven twenty or something like that.

1493
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: So it was a long workout, but it was once

1494
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 1: a lifetime thing. So I'm glad that I did it.

1495
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 1: Were you happy with the build up, your training and

1496
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: how you performed? Were we happy with all that? Yeah?

1497
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:09,679
Speaker 1: I mean like I was, for like the most part,

1498
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 1: um happy with everything. Um, I felt like I felt

1499
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: like I kind of slipped up, like on the forty,

1500
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: like I ran faster than what people expected. But I

1501
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: know that I can touch that four four. Um, and

1502
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: on my first rep, I thought that I hit it

1503
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,719
Speaker 1: because it felt like a four four, And then I

1504
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: went back and seen that it was a four to

1505
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 1: five and no, no four or five too. Sorry, Yeah, yeah,

1506
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 1: a little bit nice. But it's like these unofficial pro

1507
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: day times we're seeing. Yeah. But and then like my

1508
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: second rep, like I was just trying to stress, like

1509
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 1: running fasts, and I got slower. So so maybe like

1510
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,720
Speaker 1: down the line, I'll run another forty. Probably not, but

1511
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think you need to. I

1512
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: mean it shows up on the field, the ability to

1513
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: get the contested catches, the ball skills, the route running

1514
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: was tightened up. You're tough after the catch as well.

1515
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: You come from NFL bloodlines. Your father was running back

1516
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Um Sometimes people might make too much

1517
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: of that, but there are really instances of situations where

1518
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: the children of athletes have a different perspective on how

1519
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:20,680
Speaker 1: to approach the game, how to think the game. Do

1520
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 1: you feel like you fit in that camp that you

1521
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 1: come in with an advantage? Absolutely? Um, it's it's so

1522
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 1: so it's not so much about like the like bloodline

1523
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: and like genetic type stuff. It's like more about the

1524
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 1: like mental preparation that you get from your dad being

1525
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 1: a eleven year pro. Um. Like, he tells me so

1526
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 1: many things that other kids might get, like might get

1527
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: like caught off guard for so he kind of just

1528
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:58,440
Speaker 1: tells me about football life and like reacting with coaches

1529
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 1: and like about the game of football, about how it's

1530
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 1: a business and don't get sensitive and just keep working hard,

1531
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, don't worry about other people. Just like key,

1532
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 1: I gives that mental aspect that uh, most players don't get. Yeah,

1533
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 1: I can. I can completely see that. And it's funny

1534
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: because there's two wide receivers in this year's draft class,

1535
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:23,639
Speaker 1: you and Van Jefferson. You're very different types of wide receivers. Um,

1536
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: But your dad played in the league. His dad played

1537
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 1: and as a coach in the league a wide receiver,

1538
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: and then you know, he's an incredible route runner, just

1539
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: really tremendous. And then you were the same. You know,

1540
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 1: you're a guy who went back to school and tightened

1541
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 1: up some of your weaknesses. So I can see that

1542
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: in the approach of both guys who are coaches sons.

1543
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 1: We hear the phrase coaches sons all the time. You're

1544
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: a player's son, he's a coach, his son, and we

1545
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: do see that absolutely. Well. Listen, I know you, uh,

1546
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 1: I know you've got some things to do. Well, I

1547
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 1: mean a lot to do, but you certainly will have

1548
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: some thing to do. What's your what's your draft night

1549
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: experience gonna be? Do you have any idea of what

1550
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: you're planning? Mys gonna be me sitting on the couch

1551
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 1: with my girlfriend. And then I forgot that my brother

1552
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 1: is actually flying out here. So my brother that plays

1553
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: for Oregon, he's at my dad's house right now, So

1554
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 1: he's flying out here to be here for uh for

1555
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 1: draft night. And we're not doing anything specially like we're

1556
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: just gonna chill like on the couch and then just

1557
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 1: sit tight like until it's time. Well, I'm sorry that

1558
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: you don't get to experience the glitz and the glamour,

1559
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: but you know what, when it's all said and done,

1560
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: I know a lot of teams I've talked to you

1561
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 1: think you could go late first, early second, and uh,

1562
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 1: I think there's no question the way you play the

1563
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 1: game is the way a lot of teams are looking for.

1564
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 1: If you're not gonna be the quicken and out guy,

1565
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 1: we want a guy that can do it all on

1566
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 1: all three levels, and that's what you proved this year.

1567
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 1: Thanks again once again for joining us here. I'll move

1568
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:50,600
Speaker 1: the sticks and congratulations on a great senior season and

1569
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: good luck in the upcoming draft. Thank you, thank you

1570
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 1: so much. That was Michael Pittman really humble, I think,

1571
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 1: a humble but confident player and a guy that, as

1572
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,759
Speaker 1: I talked about in the interview rhet really helped himself

1573
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,799
Speaker 1: by going back to school. Derek Brown helped himself, Michael

1574
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: Pittman helped himself. But going back to school, you gotta

1575
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 1: put the time in to correct the errors or or

1576
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 1: to strengthen the weaknesses. I should say that you have

1577
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: and I thought Michael Pittman did a great job of that.

1578
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: And clearly he's got a dad who had been in

1579
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 1: the league. I mean, he's got a great head on

1580
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: my shoulders. I'm expecting great things from Michael Pittman. Yeah,

1581
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. And man, was this fun getting

1582
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 1: to spend an hour or so chatting with lanzer Line here.

1583
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 1: Wish we could do it more often on path to

1584
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 1: the draft, uh, like we usually do. Which again, coming

1585
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 1: to you tonight eight p m. Easter Time, as it

1586
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:40,360
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1589
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1590
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1597
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:10,599
Speaker 1: we're just looking forward to kind of continuing the path

1598
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 1: of the draft as it gets smaller here, as we're

1599
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 1: just getting close to being under a week and under

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01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 1: a week away from kicking this thing off on April. Lance,

1601
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 1: thanks so much for hanging out today, man. I appreciate it.

1602
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 1: Good getting getting together again with you, r Rette, no question,

1603
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 1: and thanks to all of you for listening to Move

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