1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to brain Stuff production of I Heart Radio. Hey 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: brain Stuff, Lauren Voga bamb here. Breasts, to put it mildly, 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: can sometimes get in the way. They're the recipients of 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: some unwanted attention. It, just to be fair, some wanted attention. 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: They can make it hard to find properly fitting clothing, 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: and they require all kinds of special and sometimes unpredictable maintenance. 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: They can cause back pain, can hurt during exercise, and 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: can be strapped down by bras, which are often uncomfortable 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: and almost always expensive. All of this is inconvenient and annoying, 10 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: but not really a matter of life and death. But 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: did it ever occur to you that breasts might be 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: the reason that you might not be administered CPR if 13 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: you need it. It's true, and one New York based 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: creative agency is taking the initiative to try to change that. 15 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: The problem is this, those who have formally or informally 16 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: learned CPR, or who are at least confident enough to 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: attempt it in a situation where it might do more 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: good than harm, are overwhelmingly comfortable only if the chest 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: of the person in need of CPR is reasonably flat. 20 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: In other words, if it resembles CPR dummies, Female breasts 21 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: get in the way, and research shows that those who 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: would be inclined to perform CPR on a cardiac arrest 23 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: victim in need are less likely to do so if 24 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: there are breasts complicating the situation. Since it's mostly women 25 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: who have breasts, it's mostly women who are subject to 26 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: this kind of probably unintentional discrimination, So how much of 27 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: an impact does this have? A research indicates women are 28 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: twenty seven percent less likely to receive CPR if the 29 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: experience a cardiac arrest incident in public, since prompt administration 30 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: of cprs key in such situations that could indeed be 31 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: a matter of life and death. But enter the woll Mannequin. 32 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: The Womannequin is a training brov sorts to help bring 33 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: equality to CPR. The Womannequin is a fabric add on 34 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: that bestows a standard CPR dummy with breasts so people 35 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: can learn CPR in a way that will hopefully keep 36 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: them from being scared to perform the lifesaving procedure on 37 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: approximately half of the adult population. The idea is to 38 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: get people used to the idea that performing CPR on 39 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 1: a woman means that, yes, there will be some hand 40 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: to breast contact, but we spoke via email with the 41 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: Joane Agency's co founder and chief creative officer, Jamie Robinson. 42 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: Via email, she said, there are so many ways women 43 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: are treated differently and this resulted in them dying in 44 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: the streets with nobody rushing into help. It seemed like 45 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: an issue that was solvable and comes directly from a 46 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: lack of education and awareness. The performing CPR and a 47 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: woman is a normal and necessary thing. The O mannequin 48 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 1: took about four months to develop, from the time the 49 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: Joane team first came up with the idea to its 50 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: reveal in June of twenty nineteen. Of course, Joan Creative 51 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: enlisted the help of medical experts to ensure that the 52 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: womannequan is as useful and accurate as possible. That included 53 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: Dr Audrey Bluer, the author of the study that inspired 54 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: the entire endeavor, who is currently an epidemiologist and a 55 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: citation scientist at Duke University. Joan shared the process with 56 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: Bluer and acknowledged that the team was fortunate to have 57 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: that opportunity. The Joan team also worked closely with other 58 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: doctors and experts in CPR, including the New York based 59 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: Frontline CPR, a school that was closely involved throughout the process, 60 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: and the United State of Women, a national organization that 61 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: connects and amplifies the work of organizations and individuals who 62 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: are addressing inequalities. These partnerships ensure that the Womannequan is 63 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: properly designed and has the credibility necessary to get it 64 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: into the right hands to make an impact as intended. 65 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: Joan isn't finished with the Womannequin. In fact, the hardest 66 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: part maybe yet to come, convincing gatekeepers that it's necessary 67 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: and useful despite the overwhelming evidence that women are currently 68 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: underserved in this area. Jones team says that they hope 69 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: to get Womannequin into every CPR school in the country 70 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: by next year, motivated by a goal that cardiac intervention 71 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: saves lives. Furthermore, Joan isn't driven by profit. Robinson says 72 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: that the idea was to make well Mannequin is easy 73 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: to replicate as possible to encourage widespread adoption, and thus 74 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: its pattern is available to anyone with open sourced plans 75 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: available for free download. One of the elements of this 76 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: story that initially caught our editorial team's eye is that 77 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: joan creative, initiated the Womannequin project simply out of an 78 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: opportunity and a need to do good. It's unusual, but 79 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: not unheard of, for creative agencies to spend time and 80 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: resources on internal projects that aren't funded by a client. 81 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: Usually the goal for such a project is publicity, and 82 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: to be sure, there's an element of that in the 83 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: Womannequin story, but in this case there may be a 84 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: measurable improvement in women's lives and the saving of them 85 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: as well. Today's episode was written by Shery's three Wit 86 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: and produced by Tyler Clang. Brain Stuff is a production 87 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio's How Stuff Works. 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