1 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 2 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: Let the experts at Farm Bureau Health Plans coach you 3 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: through it when you need great healthcare coverage at a 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: price you can afford. They've been protecting Tennessee and since 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven. Day two at the NFL Scouting Combine 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, Indiana. Amy Wells, Mike Keith, good to see 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: you again. As things keep moving, things keep happening. Fun day, 8 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: a lot more fun days to come. Absolutely, Indianapolis is 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: alive with combine activity. I love it. It really has 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: been fun to see everybody back together. We've made the 11 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: analogy that it's a little like homecoming or a high 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: school reunion or something like that. It's been great to 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: see everybody back in the same space doing what we're 14 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: all familiar with, and that is the Scouting Combine. That's 15 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: what we're doing, and we're doing. We get a chance 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: to talk to a lot of different people, including NFL 17 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: draft experts, and the first one on tap for this 18 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: edition of the OTP Dane Brugler from The Athletic oh 19 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: Man Love Dane Brugler. He's publishing The Beasts. He's working 20 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: on it right now, and so it was awesome to 21 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: be able to talk to him. Dane Bruglar with us 22 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: as part of the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health. 23 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, better known for a lot of things, The Beast, Sure, 24 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: when will we see the And for those who don't know, 25 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: the Beast is the most thorough report on the upcoming 26 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: draft prospects that you will find anywhere. You can get 27 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: it with a subscription to the Athletic. Okay, so subscription 28 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: to the Athletic gets you the Beast. How long does 29 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: it take you to put together? And when do you 30 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: anticipate it being ready this spring? The goal is always 31 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: the first week in April, you know, try to get 32 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: it three weeks before the draft. It's a it's a 33 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: year round process. I mean I already have notes for 34 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three Draft guide. You know, it's something 35 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: that is a comprehensive process that takes a long time 36 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: to put together and there's a lot of steps to it. 37 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: You know, the season you're you're focusing on the tape 38 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: right now. This is the cross checking period where you 39 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: go to the Senior Bowl, you go to the Shrine Game, 40 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: you go to the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl, kind of just 41 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: checking off boxes, you know, making sure what you saw 42 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: on tape is what you're seeing at these events. And 43 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: the then right here at the combine, this is a 44 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: big event. This is this is for uh first and 45 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: foremost of medicals you want to the interview process is big. 46 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: And then the on field drill. If a guy runs fast, 47 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: run slow, doesn't perform up to expectations, well it's back 48 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: to the tape to figure out why. And that that's 49 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: all part of the draft guide and what makes it, 50 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: in my opinion, the most comprehensive guide out there. How 51 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: do you keep all of that straight? It's seriously though, 52 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: you expect to see Dame Brewer walking around with like 53 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: stacks of paper and just like post it's flying everywhere. 54 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: How do you keep all of this in order? I 55 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: have no life, that's basically, yeah, yeah, I've got my 56 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: family at home, four kids and uh yeah four now 57 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: yeah just that twins in the summer. So it's thank you. 58 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: I think a little scouting assistance. That's that's that's how 59 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: I look at it. But yeah, it's it's the family 60 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: and it's this that's that's what I focus on and 61 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: you know it's it's a grind, but I love it. 62 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: There's nothing better than watching a tape of a player 63 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: discovering his skills, understanding what he does best, how that's 64 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: going to translate to the next level, and then talking 65 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: to him learning more about, you know, his journey. And 66 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: that's my favorite part of this because no two players 67 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: have the same journey from when they started playing football 68 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: to you know, right now on the doorstep of the NFL. 69 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: So it's a fascinating look at these guys that the 70 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: journey and understanding that helps you understand where they're headed too, 71 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: you know, adversities I've had to overcome, you know, just 72 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: their experience in other sports, different things like that. So 73 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: it's it's fascinating. Every draft is like a child. Everyone 74 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: everyone is different, has different characteristics. As you approach this 75 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: combine week, what are the storylines that you think are 76 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: going to shape this draft going forward? Well, I think 77 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: that you know, quarterbacks always drive the conversation and this 78 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: is a weird quarterback yere. Last year we had five 79 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the top fifteen. This year we might not 80 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: have any in the top fifteen. We have a really 81 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: diverse group of quarterbacks where one guy gives you one thing, 82 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: another guy gives you another, and you have to figure out, Okay, 83 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: are any of these guys good enough to lead us 84 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: to the playoffs or any of these quarterbacks good enough 85 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: to be a top fifteen quarterback in the league one day? 86 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: And it's hard to have conviction about any of these 87 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: quarterbacks right now. Kenny Pickett from Pett just had he 88 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: came back for his fifth year, had the senior year 89 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: that he needed he has. I think you look at 90 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: it the floor that you want. You know what you're 91 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: getting with Kenny Pickett, But is he good enough to 92 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: lead you to a Super Bowl? Is he that kind 93 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: of quarterback? Malik Willis's he's a bit of a project. 94 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: He needs some time. I don't know if you're expecting 95 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: him to come in from day one and be the guy. 96 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: I think that's you're gonna be a little disappointed. And 97 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: so maybe with his ceiling he can get you there. 98 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: But hopefully a combine can help add some con text 99 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: to that and better understand these quarterbacks. I think the 100 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: best position this year is edge rusher. I think it's 101 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: the deepest group we're going to see. Maybe a pass 102 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: rusher off the board with the first pick overall. And 103 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: then I mean I was doing my rankings, my pre 104 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: combined rankings last night, just polishing those up, and it's 105 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: it's hard to fit all these guys in the top 106 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: one hundred. I mean, there's like over twenty pass rushers 107 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: that deserve to be top one hundred picks first three rounds. 108 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: So it's just a very very deep group. I think 109 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: pass rusher, linebacker, wide receiver, those are the strengths of 110 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: this year. And then the other thing I want to 111 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: figure out too, is the top of this draft. It's 112 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: it's it's not a great year to have a top 113 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: fifteen pick relative to other years. And so is there 114 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, maybe a few prospects that surprise us and say, hey, 115 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: you know what, I am worthy of a top five pick, 116 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: I am worthy of the top pick. And so, you know, 117 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: hopefully this week when we come out of it, will 118 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: help give us a little more context. There four teams 119 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: that have a lot of those Day three picks. Really 120 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: an exciting time to be picking in those spots, those 121 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: third fourth round picks, because there's a lot of guys 122 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: that could be there right absolutely, and especially this position 123 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: that I mentioned with pass Rusherton receiver, And what's going 124 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 1: to happen is they all can't go in the first 125 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: two rounds, first three rounds. So there's gonna be some 126 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: good players that fall to Day three that are available 127 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: later on. And so it will be interesting when you 128 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: don't have the top of the draft that's overly strong. 129 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: And so are we going to see fewer trades this 130 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: year because teams are going to be, you know, more 131 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: hesitant to give up those third, fourth, fifth round picks. 132 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: It's it's going to be interesting is how different teams 133 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: attack this draft. You know, we just saw a team 134 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl that you know, pumped it on 135 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: the draft that you know, the last few years and 136 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: it obviously worked out for them. How is that going 137 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: to change strategy for some of these teams? Are they 138 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: going to try and load up on draft picks? Are 139 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: they going to try and load you know, try to 140 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: get draft picks for next year which looks like a 141 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: stronger draft. So how teams maneuver and how they attack 142 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: this class will be interesting. Who are a couple of players, 143 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: three players who can help themselves most here in Indianapolis? Well, 144 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: you know, I think like I mentioned the medicals and 145 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: the interviews. That's the two more important. That's the reason 146 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: the combine is here. It's why the combine exists and 147 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: so but unfortunately we don't have access necessarily to that information. 148 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: So just talking about the on field, just talking about 149 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: the position specific drills. You know, I think you look 150 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: at corner and some of these corners are gonna fly. 151 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: Washington's got two of them, Kyler Gordon, Trent McDuffie. Both 152 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: these guys are going to test outstanding and quarterback a 153 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: cornerback one is not set in stone. You know, Derek 154 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: Stingley from LSU had that great Chessen nineteen season. Last 155 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: two years really didn't live up to an injuries involved 156 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: in that. You know, Sauce Gardner from Cincinnati's in that mix. 157 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: But trm McDuffie's right there. Maybe not the biggest. You know, 158 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: the size wise is not going to be that impressive. 159 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: But he should run high fourth threes, low four fours, 160 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: should jump at least forty one maybe forty two inches 161 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: in the vert should test really well. And then his teammate, 162 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: Kyler Gordon's even better athlete, doesn't have the same instincts. 163 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: But if he tests like he's capable of and the forty, 164 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: the short shuttle, He's going to get himself in the 165 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: first round and then when some of these other corners. 166 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: Klin Barnes from Baylor, he's my bet to run the 167 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: fastest forty this year. Terek Woolin from Utsa. He's another burner, 168 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: six three and a half over two uter pounds. He 169 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: should run in the fourth threes and be a top performer, 170 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: which could bump him up a little bit. Give me 171 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: your evaluation of the offensive line group that we're going 172 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: to see here. What do you expect to see? Do 173 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: you expect to see some guys kind of emerge and 174 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: pull away from the rest of the herd a little bit. 175 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: I love this offensive line class. It's h you know, 176 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: I think tackle guarden center. There's future starters in each position. 177 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: And with tackle at the top, you've got with Evan Neil, 178 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: who's not working out here, but Ikeyakuanu, who he's in 179 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: the mix to go number one. He's that type of athlete, 180 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: He's that type of locker with his power, his explosion. 181 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: Charles Cross from Mississippi States in that mix. Trevor Penning 182 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: Northern Iowa Bernard Raymond Central Michigan. Those are the first 183 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: round guys, and then in the second round, is there 184 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: someone that emerges there's a different you know, especially a guard, 185 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: I'll say, because it's a really deep guard class and 186 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: traditionally not a position that teams will go high on 187 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: in the draft. So as Zion Johnson, a Ken Young Green, 188 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: where are those guys fit in? UM? And I think 189 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: on you know, on day two, there's a lot of 190 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: guards that are gonna be off the mix with Sawyer 191 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: from Georgia and uh so it's a it's it's a 192 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: deep interior line class. Tyler Linderbaum, where does he come 193 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: off of the board? The IWARS center, there's no player 194 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: in this draft maybe with a larger variance or wider 195 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: variance of where he could end up. You've got you 196 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: can make an argument he's top ten in this class 197 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: and he could go top ten overall. He could last 198 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: until uh you know, the Titans. He could last still 199 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: the thirties because he's a center only he's scheme specific, 200 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: he's undersized, but he's just a darn good football player. 201 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: So Tyler lindar Baum would be interesting. UM. And there's 202 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: a couple of centers on Day two, Luke Fortner from Kentucky. 203 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: I really like Dylan Parnham from Memphis as well. So 204 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: a couple of centers on Day two that project his 205 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: future starters Cole Strange from Chattanooga. So it's it's a 206 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: really good offensive line class. Position by position, I think 207 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna find starters well into Day two. Titans need 208 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: multiple tight ends. They don't have any tight ends under 209 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: contract as we record this, so if they were going 210 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: to select tight ends, could they wait to day three 211 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: and take two that day? That might be the sweet spot. 212 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: You know, this is a really deep tight end class, 213 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: but I don't know. I don't think we have a 214 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: first round or this year. We might not have a 215 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: top fifty tight end this year, but we're gonna see three, 216 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: maybe four go you know, late second or somewhere in 217 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: the third round, and then I think the sweet spot 218 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: will be that fourth round. Third fourth round is where 219 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna see a lot of these tight ends fly 220 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: off the board, and they're not going to be the 221 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl types. You know, there's no Kyle Pits this 222 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: year or anything like that. But if you're looking for 223 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: a solid tight end this this draft has that. And 224 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: you know with Greg Dulsch's from UCLA, I think he'll 225 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: be one of the winners this week. He should run 226 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: the fastest of all these tight ends. Good chance we 227 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: see him second third round. Mix. You know with Tray 228 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: McBride from Colorado State, Jeremy Rucker from Ohio State, who 229 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm really high on, but we won't see him here. 230 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: He has a foot injury. Maybe that bumps him down 231 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: a little bit. You get a little bit of a 232 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: discount with him. I think he's gonna be a really 233 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: good pro. But even if you don't draft tight end 234 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: second third round, like I said, fourth round, there's gonna 235 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: be plenty of quality tight ends at that point in 236 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: the draft that you feel comfortable drafting and playing a 237 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: pretty big role. Early on, you mentioned that wide receivers 238 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: one of the strongest groups in this draft. When you 239 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: look at mock drafts, the Titans in a lot of 240 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,599 Speaker 1: them are predicted to pick a wide receiver. What is 241 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: it about that group that makes them so strong? What 242 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: excites you the most about them? Well, each one brings 243 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: something different. You know, Garrett Wilson to me from Ohio State, 244 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: he's the top receiver because of what he does before 245 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: and after the catch. He can get open and then 246 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: he can create. And for a guy that's five eleven 247 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: one ninety, he plays like he's sixty three two fifteen. 248 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: He plays a lot bigger than he looks. And I 249 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: don't like to use the word elite very often. Try 250 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: to save that he has elite body control as a receiver, 251 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: and so Garrett Wilson, to me, that's why he's the 252 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: top guy. But you could make an argument for trailing 253 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: Burke's from Arkansas, who's a linebacker size Deebo Samuel six 254 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: three two twenty five. Just find ways to give him 255 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: the ball and he's going to eight. He's gonna run 256 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: maybe in the four fours at that size. Drake London, 257 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: big basketball player who can play above the rim coming 258 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: off the injuries. So I don't know that we're gonna 259 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: see him this week. We'll see on that. And Jamison 260 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: Williams from Alabama, he if not for that acl he 261 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: could be in a conversation to be the first wide 262 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: receiver off the board. He comes from a track family, 263 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: and boy does this show when he runs out there, 264 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: and he's more than just speed. Maybe not the most 265 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: natural hands, but doesn't have a ton of drops. I mean, 266 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: he catches the ball well, he knows how to leverage 267 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: that speed as a route runner. So the fact that 268 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: each one of these receivers brings something a little different. 269 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: And Chris Olave from Ohio states in that mix, Jehan 270 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: dots and from Penn State. Both those guys should be 271 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: in the four threes and do well for themselves. So 272 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: six wide receivers, in my opinion, belong in the top 273 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: twenty five. I don't know that all six will go 274 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: top twenty five, but that's just good news. If you're 275 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: picking twenty six to thirty five, you might get a 276 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: discount one of those guys. So many of these guys 277 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: have played at multiple schools. Does that make him easier 278 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: to evaluate or harder to evaluate? Well, I think you know, 279 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: you can look at it both ways. It's easier because 280 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna see them in probably two different schemes. You're 281 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: gonna see him in two different situations dealing with different 282 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: teammates and things like that. But at the same time, 283 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 1: you we want to know, Okay, why they transfer? Was 284 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: there something going on to the other school. You have 285 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: to do your due diligence and figure that part out. 286 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: So a guy like Jamison Williams from Alabama who was 287 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: a top recruit goes to Ohio State and was just 288 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: kind of stuck on the depth chart because and as 289 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: soon as Chris Ollave decided, hey, I'm coming back from 290 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: my senior year, that's when Jamison Williams is like, well, okay, 291 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, kind of blocked here with Smith and Jigba 292 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: in a slot, Garrett Wilson outside, Chris Lave outside. I mean, 293 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: I'll see that I'm too good. I'll see the field 294 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: a little bit, but you know what, I'm gonna go 295 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: trying to find a better opportunity. I don't think anyone's 296 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: blaming Jameson Williams for, you know, making the transfer that 297 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 1: he did, goes Alabama, turns in the most explosive player 298 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: in the SEC, and you know, so I think that's 299 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: that's a little more of a cut and dry situation. 300 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: But you know, they're not all like that. But I 301 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: think it's it's it's both because you have to figure 302 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: out why you transferred, but then also I think it 303 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: could be a positive when you break down what does 304 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: he have to do in both schemes and both situations. 305 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: How much easier was your life getting ready for this 306 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: upcoming draft in twenty twenty two. Having an entire college 307 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: football season in twenty twenty one happened as opposed to 308 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: the previous year where there was all kinds of crazy 309 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: things going on. Yeah, you know that last year was 310 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: an adjustment, especially when you had some opt outs. You know, 311 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: we hadn't seen Jamar Chase, we hadn't seen Rashaan Slater, 312 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: Penny Sewell, we hadn't seen a lot of these guys 313 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: since the two nineteen season, So that's something we really 314 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: had it encountered before. And then you know, you factor 315 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: in these guys playing in empty stadiums and the travel restrictions, 316 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: and you know, some conferences played five games, Um, there 317 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of inner conference play. If you're played 318 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: in the SEC, you only played SEC opponents. So last 319 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: year was definitely an adjustment, But you know it's still 320 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: gonna be a draft, still going to try and to 321 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: find players. You got to figure it out, and so 322 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: I think that's, uh, that's how you attacked it last year. 323 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: This year was definitely back to normal, and that was 324 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: nice that that was nice to kind of get back 325 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: in normal set of thing. We didn't have a come 326 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: by year. I wasn't sitting here with you guys, you know, 327 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: because we don't have the combine. And so it's very 328 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: nice to be back in Indianapolis to get all this information. 329 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: And you know, a lot of people's combines overrated and 330 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: all that, but if you really understand how to use 331 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: all the information here, you know it's not overrated. It's 332 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: an important step of the process and adds valuable context 333 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: what we're doing. Okay, so can we get you to 334 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: do some thumbnails for us. Just throw us your names. 335 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: We'll go back and forth. Ye all right. I want 336 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: to start off with Devin Lloyd, the linebacker from Utah. 337 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: Diverse linebacker, former high school safety moved a linebacker at 338 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,239 Speaker 1: Utah at four interceptions this year to return for touchdowns. 339 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: He's just a playmaker, one of those explosive players in 340 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: the country. He was second in the entire country and 341 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: tackles for loss and it's no shame to be second 342 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: behind Will Anderson and anything. And that was Devin Lloyd. 343 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: So to me, he's the best linebacker in the draft. 344 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: You could do a lot of things with him, either 345 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: getting him upfield as a Blitzer dropping him in coverage. 346 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: He's explosive versus the run. So to me, three down 347 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: player total package Jermaine Johnson and Eddresher from Florida State. Yeah, 348 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: and that's you talked about. The transfers. Another great example 349 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: of a guy who was maybe not seeing the playtime 350 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: he wanted at Georgia and he bet on himself. He says, 351 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna have a great situation here 352 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: at george I'm getting coach around all these alpha's. I 353 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: know I'm gonna get looked at, but I'm gonna I'm 354 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: gonna go to Florida State. I'm going to be the alpha. 355 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: He goes to Seminoles for a senior year. He was 356 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: the guy on that defense, led the acc and tackles 357 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: for a lost led the acc in sacks. And what 358 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: I appreciate most about Jermaine Johnson is is not just 359 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: speed off the edge. He is an above average run defender. 360 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: I mean, if I clipped my five favorite plays of 361 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: his this year from from watching him on tape, three 362 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: of them might be versus the run. He's a really 363 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: good pass rusher, but he's also really stout versus the run. 364 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: Instinctive goes to the Senior Bowl just confirms what we 365 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: already knew. He was the best defensive player down there. 366 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: I mean, he put himself in the conversation and be 367 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: a possible top fifteen pick. Trayvon Walker outside linebacker Georgia. 368 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: Is he a defensive tackles the defensive end he's I 369 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: think that's kind of the appeal with him because George 370 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: asthm do a little bit of every he would drop 371 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: in space, he would play inside the tackle, head up 372 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: over the tackle, and they didn't give him a chance 373 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: to just pin his ears back and go. And I 374 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: think he's gonna have a big week this week when 375 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: he shows his athletic traits at two hundred and seventy 376 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: five pounds. To me, he's one of the best players 377 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: in the country three years from now. If you told 378 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: me Travan Walker was the best defensive player from this draft, 379 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: that's say yeah, okay, not not surprise at all because 380 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: he has that type of ability. He was just lost 381 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: a little bit in that Georgia defense when you know 382 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: it's full of these future NFL players and what he 383 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: was asked to do in that scheme playing so tight 384 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: on that defensive line. So Trayvon Walker, he's my sixth 385 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: overall player in this draft. Very very high on him. 386 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: I'm switching over to offense on you. Wide receiver Johan 387 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,479 Speaker 1: Dotson from Penn State. Yeah, maybe the best ball skills 388 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: in this draft. And you know he doesn't Physically he's 389 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: not really that impressive. You know, you're gonna look at 390 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: him and you're saying buck eighty. He's under six foot, 391 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: but he should run in the fourth three. Speed is 392 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: his friend, and then his hands are outstanding. You know, 393 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: he could make plays at all levels of the field. 394 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: So he's in a really strong wide receiver group at 395 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: the top. He might be the sixth best receiver, which 396 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: a team in the late first round is gonna get 397 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: a really good player overall. I want you to talk 398 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: about Cademy's offensive lineman from Tennessee. Yep, another Georgia transfer. 399 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: It goes to Tennessee. I think that the biggest thing 400 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: with him is position of versatility. You want to play inside, 401 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: he could play guard, you want to play outside. He's 402 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: got that experience at tackle. I think he started at 403 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: four different positions over his career. Stout at the point 404 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: of attack doesn't have the best range. I think a 405 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: lot of teams see him best inside a guard, but 406 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: a guy that is a finisher, loves to sustain, keeps 407 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: himself centered on blocks. Maybe he gets in that third round, 408 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: but if not, he'll go early on Day three and 409 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: be a position versatile player for the NFL team that 410 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: drafts him. Another offensive lineman, Tyler Linderbaum from Iowa. Yeah, 411 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: and like I said before, he's he's you can make 412 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: an argument he's one of the top ten players in 413 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 1: this draft, but you know he's just he's not going 414 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: to be for everybody. When you factor in center only 415 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: scheme specific you need a zone that zone scheme, and 416 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: he's undersized. He's gonna be around two ninety this week, 417 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,479 Speaker 1: and that's that's okay, that's what he is. And so 418 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: when you start crossing off teams that don't need a center, 419 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: that don't you know, run primarily outside zone, that aren't 420 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: going to draft a center, you're only down to so 421 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: many teams. And because of that, he could go top twelve, 422 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: could go in the late twenties. And so he's a 423 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: really fascinating player because he's he's one of the best 424 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: players in this draft pound for pound, the most athletic, 425 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: one of the strongest, one of the meanest dudes in 426 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: this draft. Consistently plays beyond the echo of the whistle, 427 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: and offensive line coaches are gonna fall in love with him. 428 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: But again, it has to be the right situation for 429 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: him to come off the board in the first round. 430 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: Col Strange, interior offensive lineman, Chattanooga, big fan of his 431 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: and another you know you're talking about the journey. Loved 432 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: his journey as he was a defensive end primarily in 433 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: high school. Goes to Air Force and after a little 434 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: bit it's like, no, not for me. Comes back home 435 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: Chattanooga and just gets better and better and better on 436 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: the offensive line. And another guy's got that interior versatility 437 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: guard center. I thought he'd acquitted himself very well at 438 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, held up held his own and now 439 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: teams are gonna be talking about him, possibly on day two, 440 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: because you've got a guy that can be a future starter. 441 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: You have a guy that can give you that guard 442 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: center versatility, really tough. If he doesn't put down that anchor, 443 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: he can get himself in trouble. But his toughness at 444 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: the point of attack, his quickness, a big cole strange fan. 445 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: I think he's one of the He's one of probably 446 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: five centers this year that you could realistically see being 447 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: a long term starter this year or in the future. 448 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: One more offensive lineman for you, I mean more rolling 449 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: at this point, you gotta go offensive lineman Kenyan Greene 450 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: from Texas A and M. Yeah, he might be the 451 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: first interior offensive lineman drafted. And talk about position versatility. 452 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: He has played every single position on that A and 453 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: M offensive line, and you know, you watch him twenty 454 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: twenty played really well. This year. He lost the A 455 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: and M lost four or five starters on the offensive line. 456 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: He was the only returner and that showed at times, 457 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: and so there was a lot of pressure on him 458 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: to be the guy, and so they moved him from 459 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: left tackle to right guard, right tackle to left guard. 460 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: He was all over the place and he was up 461 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: to the challenge. I mean, he did a really nice 462 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: job holding his own. What I love most about him 463 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: is his balance before and after contact, really really good balance, 464 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 1: and he finishes. So Kenyan green would not be surprising 465 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: as the first interior offensive lineman drafted this year. Okay, 466 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: so you get one more. I got one more. Mine 467 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: is Jeremy Rutgard from Ohio State. You mentioned the injury, Yeah, 468 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: but take that out. Take me through who Jeremy Ruckard 469 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: is is a tight end. Yeah, former top recruit from 470 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: Long Island goes to Ohio State and saw a lot 471 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: of action, just not a lot of targets. And when 472 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: you watch Ohio State offense and you see those receivers, 473 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: you kind of you realize why what he was asked 474 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: to do as a blocker and when he was targeted, 475 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: good things happen. So I see a guy that's gonna 476 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: be a better NFL player than he was in college 477 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: once that target targets go up, So it's his production. 478 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: So I think he's a He's a really good player 479 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: who could should be one of the first three tight 480 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: ends drafted this year. Unfortunately we won't see him there 481 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: because of a foot injury suffered at the Senior Bowl. 482 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: But it's a minor thing. He'll be at his pro day. 483 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: Should run well, sh or perform well. Like I said, 484 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: I think he's one of the top three tight ends 485 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: this year, top seventy five type of pick. Mike Keith, 486 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: I see your tight end and I raise you a 487 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: tight end. Tight end Jalen Wittermeyer from Texas A and M. Yeah, 488 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: one of the only juniors that came out this year 489 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: at the tight end position. I don't this is a 490 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: big week for him. He needs to run well. I 491 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: don't know that he's you know, over under four seven 492 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: to five for him. You know, can he get under 493 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: that number, that'd be big for him. If he does. 494 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: I don't know that he will. Speeds is not his game. 495 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: But I think he does a really nice job at 496 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: the catchpoint. I think get eight touchdowns this year, did 497 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: really nice job, especially when the field condensed and he 498 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: needed to get into the end zone. So a guy 499 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: that I don't think is a slam dunk for the 500 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: top one hundred picks. But we talked about the tight 501 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: end position, how it's going to stretch a little bit, 502 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,239 Speaker 1: and when you get to the fourth round. He's an 503 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: example of one of those players that normally you don't 504 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: see in the fourth round, but because tight ends just 505 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: it's a different tight end year, could end up being 506 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: a value early Day three. Okay, So Dane, we've talked 507 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: about the draft, We've talked about the combine, We've talked 508 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: about the base from the athletic we've talked about your 509 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: new kids. How is everything going with your grilling? When 510 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: we visited last time in person and several people commented 511 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: on your passion for grilling. Do you still have that? 512 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: Did the pandemic help that? Did it hurt that? Where 513 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: are we on that? The twins hurt that? Okay, you 514 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: know that's that. That's something that took a chunk of 515 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: my time away. Um, so you know, the last eight 516 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: months has been not as much smoking in grilling as 517 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: I would like, But uh, I live in Ohio, so 518 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: it's cool for you know, six months out of the year. 519 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: But once we get into the spring, once we get 520 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: past the draft, that's something I plan on getting right 521 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: diving right back into it. There really is a passion, Yeah, absolutely, 522 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: It's I don't have a ton of passions, but the 523 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: ones I do, I go all in on NFL draft 524 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: is up there, But smoking is right behind it. In 525 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: terms of, uh, you know, seeing what we could do 526 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: with the brisket scene, we'd do with some ribs, seeing 527 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: with we could do with all these different meats, it's uh, 528 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: it's if you do it right, there's nothing better. Right. Well, yeah, 529 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: you guys are in the right part of the country 530 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: where you guys are from, to get some good barbecue. 531 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: We've been a few places. I'm sure when I visit 532 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: you guys tell me where to go. You come on 533 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: down An Daan Brukler from The Athletic thanks so much 534 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: for the times as Dain Brukler. Yes, good talking with him, 535 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: especially about his grilling skills. Oh man, he's aid brisket 536 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: and I couldn't hear anything else. Anybody shorts out anybody 537 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: who has big time grilling skills. I'm all for the 538 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: fact that he knows a lot about the draft too, 539 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: puts him right up there for me. It makes him 540 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: the all around renaissance man. He can tell you about 541 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: the draft, he can tell you about grilling, he can 542 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: tell you about parenting, Like, what more do you need 543 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: out of a person? What more do you need? Well, 544 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: what we need right now is Andrew beat from the 545 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal. And you're saying, wait a minute, this 546 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: is the OTP. The ot people are thinking, I don't 547 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: need stock tips, I don't need information on IPOs. I'm 548 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: I'm interested in the sports world. Andrew Beaton covers sports 549 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: for the Wall Street Journal. I've mentioned him on the 550 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: OTP before. I think he's excellent. Oh yes, and he's 551 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: a very intelligent man who is able to write the 552 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: sports stories that you don't see all the time from 553 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: a traditional sports publication. So they're not talking about the 554 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: daily scores or this silly trite thing that happens. They're 555 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: getting down to the nitty gritty, the deep stories, the 556 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: things you want to hear about. And he's just a 557 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: good writer. And he knows a lot about the Titans 558 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: for a good reason, which you will learn here as 559 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: Andrew Beaton joins us at the twenty twenty two NFL 560 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: Scouting Combine in Indianapolis on this edition of the OTP 561 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: Andrew Beaton, Wall Street Journal Sports Out. I gotta say welcome, 562 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: by the way, thank you so much for having me. Okay, 563 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: what people think of the Wall Street Journal, they don't 564 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: think of sports first. You know this right, I don't 565 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: have any stock tips for you. I'm very sorry. How 566 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: did you get involved with the Wall Street Journal? How 567 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: did that happen that you go to write sports for 568 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal? Well, it's just kind of some 569 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: good luck and some hard work, I suppose, you know. 570 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: I interned for them after college and then that led 571 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: to freelancing, then a full time job. But the one 572 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: thing I've always loved about the journal sports section is that, 573 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: in a sense, you are right that it's not necessarily 574 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: the first thing you think of when you think of 575 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal. But that also gives us a 576 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: lot of latitude to, you know, say, we don't have 577 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: to write about what happened in yesterday's game all the time, 578 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: but we're gonna write one story that we want to 579 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: be really good. We want you to think it's funny, interesting, smart, insightful, serious, important, 580 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: whatever it is, we want it to be impactful. We 581 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: want people to care about it. And let's us sort 582 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: of take a step back and put some really good 583 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: work in. You do that, you do that well. I 584 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: appreciate and I've told Amy for a long time I 585 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: enjoyed reading your stuff. And then we get ready for 586 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: the playoffs and I send everyone your piece on the 587 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. I said, everyone in the organization. I said, 588 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: this is the guy who has hit who we are 589 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: better than anyone of all the national folks. You got 590 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: what we were all about, and I didn't work out 591 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: for us, And you know that's part of it that 592 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: hurts but you understood that. How did you come to 593 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: know the Titans the way you did? Well, I gotta say, 594 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: my best friend, childhood friend, is a lifelong Titans fan. Okay, 595 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: what's his story. He's the one person who grew up 596 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: in New York and was smart enough to not root 597 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: for the Jets or Giants, and he had family from 598 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: the area and always loved the Titans. And so I've 599 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: always kept a little bit of a closer eye on 600 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: them because I always get an earful about how they're 601 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: doing from him. But I think when you're looking at 602 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: the team this year, you just kind of had to 603 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: watch them, and it wasn't hard to watch them because 604 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: you saw them play a lot of good teams, and 605 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: they played really well against a lot of those teams. 606 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: And if that seems surprising to anybody, well, why didn't 607 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,959 Speaker 1: we just look at the last couple of years. You know, 608 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: this is a team that when it found its guy 609 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: and Ryan Tannehill, all of a sudden really looked like 610 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: a different monster. When they were able to feed Derrick 611 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: Henry and unleash their different weapons. This is a team 612 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: that it didn't really come out of nowhere. If you 613 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: watch them, this year. If you watched their progression over 614 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 1: the last couple of years, this was a team that 615 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: evolved into somebody that you could say, this is a 616 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: team that has a really high floor. Right, There's some 617 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: teams you look at that they can have a low 618 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: floor or high ceiling. This team that really felt like 619 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: it had a high floor because you know that there's 620 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: a stable coaching staff that you can have a lot 621 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,239 Speaker 1: of faith in, there's a lot of good pieces on 622 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: both sides of the ball that things can go pretty 623 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: well for them. As someone who's covering all thirty two teams, 624 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: you know, how do you really hone in on which 625 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: team you're going to write a story about, or which 626 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: topic it is that you're going to dive deeper in, Because, 627 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: as you said, you've got that latitude to really dive 628 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: into a subject and really dive into a team if 629 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: that's what you choose to do. How do you kind 630 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: of narrow down the entire National Football League into what 631 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: you're going to focus on? You know, it's kind of 632 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: the fun part of the job because you get to 633 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: zero in on I like to think that if something 634 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: interests me, I hope it'll interest readers, right, and so 635 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: if I think there's something that people aren't talking about 636 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: but I find really interesting, well that's something to zero 637 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: in on and say, you know, this is something where 638 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: we can teach people something new, explain a team or 639 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: a player or a scheme in a way that maybe 640 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: in a different way than it's been explained before, and 641 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: zero in on saying, all right, where does it feel 642 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: like that a new voice would add something, Whether that's 643 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: about a team, a player, or a coach, it could 644 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: be really a fan base, it could be anything, and 645 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: then just trying to take that opportunity and run with it. 646 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: So here's an example of that from Andrew Beaton with 647 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal gearing up for the Super Bowl. 648 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: He delves in and comes away with the conclusion that 649 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: the biggest investment that the Bengals in the rams have 650 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: made wide receivers. You made that. You said, hey, look 651 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: this is where they've spent their money, this is where 652 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: they've spent their capital. They're both here for a reason. 653 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: They're analytics that show it. How did you come up 654 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: with that? Well, it's something that was really fascinating going 655 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: back to the last draft, right because Cincinnati already had 656 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: their guy in Joe Burrow. They knew that, and they 657 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: also watched him get pummeled and pummeled over and over 658 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: last season until he got hurt. And so they have 659 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: another top pick again because they have another crummy season 660 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: after Burrows hurt, and the common wisdom was, all right, 661 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: they have to spend that top pick in order to 662 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: get someone who can help Joe Burrows stay upright. You 663 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: know they're gonna draft to tackle. They're gonna draft a guard, 664 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: somebody that can help protect Joe Burrow. No, but what 665 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: did they do. They drafted Jamar Chase. And if you 666 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: looked at their team, you wouldn't have said wide receiver 667 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: was a position of right. They got t Higgins, they 668 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: got Tyler Boyd. I mean, they've got they've got people. 669 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: They've got people. Instead, they added the number the best 670 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: receiver in the draft and Jamar Chase, which is really 671 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: interesting because you know, you can only throw the ball 672 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: to the receivers if your quarterbacks staying upright. But they 673 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: did it anyway, and it didn't just pay off because 674 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase turned out to be awesome. It paid off 675 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: because look at what it did to te Higgins. Boyd 676 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: came through in huge games and if it looks like 677 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: that's weird or an anomaly, we've all watched football over 678 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: the last few years and seeing that playing with three 679 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: receivers on the field is basically normal at this point. 680 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: So shouldn't you be treating that as just another starter? 681 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: Shouldn't you be doing that? And if you look at 682 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: the way these teams have operated, that's what they've done. 683 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: And even when the Rams signed Odell Beckham Junior, that 684 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: was adding a taken a risk. He's a mercurial talent. 685 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: But they did that even before Robert Woods got hurt. 686 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: They had incredible depth there. It was a risk worth 687 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,959 Speaker 1: taking for a team that says the Rams basically always 688 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: play with at least three receivers on the field. And 689 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: what two teams led the league in eleven personnel? It 690 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: happened to be the Rams number one the Bengals number two. 691 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: Look at that. He's good. He's really good. Good. That's 692 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: what I told you, That's what I told everybody when 693 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: I sent him the article. I know he did. Can 694 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: we talk about a different article that you wrote that 695 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: I really would like to discuss with you. Absolutely, I'm 696 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: so excited about this. One of my favorite controversies will 697 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: call it from the twenty twenty one season, was Aaron 698 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: Rodgers COVID toe which he says wasn't which he says 699 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: was not COVID toe, to the point where the screenshot 700 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: of him showing his toes is one of my favorite 701 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: pictures of all time. Andrew, she sends it to everybody 702 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: all the time. Great, I think it's great. It's awful. 703 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: You have an interesting role in that because you wrote 704 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: the article that ultimately upset are Rogers. I would like 705 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: to just kind of get your take on what that 706 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: experience was like, being in a situation like that and 707 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: ultimately he ended up getting angry at kind of the 708 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,479 Speaker 1: wrong person. Yeah, you know, it turned out to just 709 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: be a sort of unfortunate misunderstanding. But if you think 710 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: back to the way the saga had played out through 711 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: the course of the year, you know, Aaron had said 712 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: he was immunized. Then that leads to some people feeling 713 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: like he misled folks when it turned out he had 714 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: not been vaccinated. He misses that game against the Chiefs, 715 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: there's kind of a lot swirling in the air, and 716 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: he comes out of that time with a toe injury 717 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: that hadn't really been expanded upon. And I think one 718 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: of the things about covering the NFL over the last 719 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: couple of years is that part of the job has 720 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: been covering COVID, right, and you learn about the virus 721 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: through the NFL. Like the first year, we learned about 722 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: if you do social distancing, masking all these things in 723 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: the facility, it can actually help prevent spread. And he've 724 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: learned a lot about COVID and so when he referred 725 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: to the injury as COVID toe on the Pat McAfee show, 726 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: we knew that COVID toe was an actual symptom. We 727 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: weren't trying to slander the guy in any way, just 728 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: trying to report on what he had preferred to his 729 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: injury as. And then that leads to another ruffle, and 730 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: so it went. Oh man, it led to the greatest 731 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: screenshot ever taken from a zoom is really what it 732 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: led to. But I mean, oh, I love it so much. 733 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: It was almost my Christmas card this year. I'm really 734 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 1: not But how hard was it during I mean that 735 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: time where access is limited, A lot of your information 736 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: and quotes and things like that are coming from either 737 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: other appearances on Random Show, the Pat McAfee show, other 738 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: zoom calls that people do. A lot of things are 739 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: coming from social media. It's got to really muddy the 740 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 1: waters when you don't have clear media availability or access 741 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: to guys to speak to them like you're used to 742 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: as a reporter. Yeah, and that's actually one of the 743 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: nice things about being back here at this NFL Combine 744 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: is that we all get to see each other in 745 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: person again, because there's nothing really makes up for those 746 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: face to face people to people interactions where you can 747 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: have conversations that are insightful and really get to connect 748 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 1: with somebody. And I think that's now that we can 749 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: get our vaccines, get our boosters, and start coming back 750 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: to these events. It's not just about coming to the 751 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: combine to see how many times a guy can get 752 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: a rep in on the bench press. It's about seeing people, 753 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 1: meeting people and trying to establish those same connections again. 754 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: It's funny. I was just physticing with some other folks 755 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,240 Speaker 1: who said it's like homecoming. It's like it's like you're 756 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: returning to your school after not seeing anybody for two years, 757 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,919 Speaker 1: because it was when we left here two years ago 758 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: that everything hit. It was funny. We left here on 759 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: February the twenty eighth, and I went somewhere on February 760 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: the twenty ninth that was speaking at a school and 761 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: the head of school was announcing at that point we 762 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: may have to do learning remotely, and he was explaining 763 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 1: to the students before I went on how this would work. 764 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: And I was sitting here listening to this thinking that's crazy. 765 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: And now two years later it's a part of our life. 766 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: COVID has been a part of our life in every way, 767 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: including in the NFL. And yet after years of the 768 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: NFL seemingly being hit by different things, the NFL might 769 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: have had its best year ever. Why do you think 770 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: that is, Andrew? I think there's a lot of reasons. 771 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: First of all, I think we could turn on the 772 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: games every week and see that the football is just fun, right. 773 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,919 Speaker 1: I mean, I think when people have tried to over 774 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,320 Speaker 1: the years and break down why are ratings up down? 775 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: There's a lot of reasons that people will throw out there, 776 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: but I think the one that always stands out to 777 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: me is the ratings seem to go up when the 778 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: games are more exciting. And I think we had a 779 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: lot of really, really exciting games this year. I mean 780 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: that those couple of weeks in the playoffs, I don't 781 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: think I've never seen anything like that. Yeah, I think ye, right, 782 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: And the Super Bowls decided by three points that almost 783 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: felt like a letdown after things we've seen right before that. 784 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: So we had these absolutely battye playoffs coming off a 785 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: season that seemed to have those types of frenetic endings 786 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: every week, and the football was just really good because 787 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: you could look at so many different fan bases that 788 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: have been itching to get to where they have been. 789 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: And that's one of the cool things too, where all right, 790 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: we saw the Patriots win for two decades, sure, but 791 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: this year the idea that the favorites next year might 792 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: be teamed like Buffalo and Cincinnati. I mean, those are 793 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 1: the lack of a better phrase, the most tortured fan 794 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: bases around. So there's you look across the country and 795 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: fan bases that had been maybe disenfranchised or hadn't had 796 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: reasons to get up and get excited and watch their teams. 797 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,240 Speaker 1: It's a really good moment for the league in that regard. 798 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: What stories are you chasing down around the NFL combine 799 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: and beyond at the combine. I always think of it 800 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: as you know, I don't have to write about the 801 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: combine itself, but it's really trying to get my finger 802 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: on the pulse for the upcoming draft. And it's a 803 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: great moment to start thinking about that, start talking to people, 804 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: and start thinking, all right, what am I going to 805 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: write about, even if it's not today or tomorrow, but 806 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: in a month or so. And because there's a lot 807 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: of teams, whether it's the Titans or someone else, who 808 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: have a lot of big things to decide. So you've 809 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: got to give a shout out to your friend here 810 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 1: on the OTP. What's his name and does easy an 811 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: OTP subscriber, give us the update on him in his 812 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: life that you have this person in your life. Well, 813 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: his name is Brian Wisegle. He's a lawyer who lives 814 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: in New Jersey. Away Brian, get it, Brian. And the 815 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,439 Speaker 1: one thing he wanted me to make sure to say 816 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: is that he really helps the Titans hit on their 817 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,760 Speaker 1: first round pick this year, because he hasn't been exactly 818 00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: thrilled with the last couple. So, oh, wait a minute, 819 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: So Brian's coming with a comment here, coming in hot, 820 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: He's coming in hot, Brian, let's go. So he the 821 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: Isaiah Wilson thought, yeah, okay, but tell Brian Caleb Farley 822 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: is going to be fine. Tell him Caleb Farley is 823 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: going to do a great job. YEP, I happen to 824 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: agree with you. We are. We are really excited about 825 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,240 Speaker 1: Caleb Farley. And you know we have proof too because 826 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: Christian Fulton we took in the second round in twenty 827 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: came on in twenty one and that's what we think 828 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: is going to happen with Caleb Farley. I think Caleb 829 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: Farley is going to be a star. Oh absolutely. I 830 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: think the trajectory for him once he is healthy and 831 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,879 Speaker 1: able to really do the things that his body requires, 832 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,800 Speaker 1: that the position requires his body to do, the sky's 833 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: the limit for him because he was picking up on 834 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: things so quickly as a rookie. Kevin Byard even said 835 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: he was amazed by how quickly he was able to 836 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: learn and adjust, especially having an on again off of 837 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: gang college career. And the one thing I would also 838 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 1: add is it's a position where I think we often 839 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: see maybe a slower developmental timeline in the NFL. You know, 840 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 1: there's guys who can come in and play line, so 841 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: on and so forth immediately. But when you're in his role, 842 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: I feel like you see a lot of early struggles. 843 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: You're adjusting to new schemes, what it's like to go 844 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: up against the physicality of NFL players, and it's a 845 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: particularly big adjustment when I'm looking at that. All Right, So, 846 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: what's the biggest story of this entire offseason, not just 847 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,439 Speaker 1: the combine? From the Wall Street Journal sports point of view, 848 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 1: what's the biggest what's the biggest story? What do you 849 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: what are you looking for? I think the biggest stories 850 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: have to do with ownership this offseason, right, I mean 851 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: where you look across the league and it is a 852 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: pretty raw and sensitive and controversial moment, with questions ranging 853 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 1: about the allegations from the Brian Flora's lawsuit, which touches 854 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 1: on some pretty sensitive areas in Miami. When you think 855 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: about his allegation that they offered to pay him to 856 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:04,439 Speaker 1: lose game. You have another investigation into Dan Snyder in 857 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: his behavior. So there's a lot of questions swirling around 858 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: ownership and how those get sorted through. What the conclusions 859 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: are there may prove to be the biggest, most consequential 860 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,399 Speaker 1: things this afseason except maybe if Aaron Rodgers leaves Green Bay. 861 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: We have a great owner, you know, one of the 862 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,839 Speaker 1: most powerful females in all of sports. I wonder if 863 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: this moment doesn't elevate her, if the league doesn't say, 864 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: we need more of your perspective in this moment. And 865 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: I think that would be a great thing for our league, 866 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: because if you look at what she's done with our franchise, 867 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 1: it's pretty remarkable. When she took us over, it was 868 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 1: not great, No, it was not great. And the amount 869 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: of changes that she has made to the Titans organization 870 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 1: and the amount of kind of foresight that she has 871 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: had with investing in certain areas of the organization and 872 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 1: kind of keeping the Titans at the forefront of a 873 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 1: lot of things, but also trying to diversify the organization 874 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: and trying to do more things in the community. It 875 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 1: feels like that's more of where the league wants to 876 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: be right now. So yeah, and I think one of 877 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 1: the things that we've learned, whether it's in football, sports 878 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,839 Speaker 1: at large, or business at large, is over the last 879 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: several years and has been a really salient message is 880 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 1: that diversity of thought cannot be underestimation. Whether that is 881 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: race or gender, or background or any different way you 882 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: want to slice it up. But elevating different voices and 883 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:33,320 Speaker 1: having different perspectives goes a really long way to running 884 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 1: any successful organization. Tell people that they can follow you 885 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 1: on the Twitter machine. They can follow me on the 886 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 1: Twitter machine at Andrew ll Beaton, Andrew, you do a 887 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: great job, and so glad to finally meet you in person. 888 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,359 Speaker 1: Appreciate you knowing about the Titans too, and keeping those 889 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal folks knowing all about those Titans. Tell 890 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: Brian we're with him. We look forward to be perfect. 891 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: I'll tell him to say, hey, next time he's in 892 00:42:54,680 --> 00:43:03,800 Speaker 1: nash let's do it. That's Andrew Beaton from the Wall 893 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: Street Journal. Hey, let the experts at Farm Bureau Health 894 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: Plans coach you through it when you need great healthcare 895 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 1: coverage at a price you can afford. They've been protecting 896 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,919 Speaker 1: Tennesseean's for seventy five years. How about a little bit 897 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 1: of a preview of the home team here, and the 898 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 1: home team not the Titans in this case, because we're 899 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, the Colts. As we visit with the voice 900 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 1: of the Colts, Matt Taylor, in what is an incredibly 901 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,840 Speaker 1: interesting time around the horseshoe. Thing interesting is the best 902 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 1: way to describe it. Mike. If you want to hear 903 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: some insight, listen to Matt Taylor here as part of 904 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,279 Speaker 1: the OTP, and I think you will be fascinated to 905 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,839 Speaker 1: hear what our AFC South rivals are working their way 906 00:43:49,880 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 1: through right now as we continue on the OTP, So 907 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: Matt Taylor, as we talk Colts, we talk uncertainty. Is 908 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,360 Speaker 1: that thanks? Is that really? I mean? Is that really 909 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: how we have to start the conversation? That would be 910 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,919 Speaker 1: a good word. There's a lot up in the air 911 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 1: between now and mid March and then heading into the 912 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: draft and then training camp. Yeah, it's the Colts going 913 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: off in a tangent already. But the Colts are a 914 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 1: well built team, a well put together team. They've drafted 915 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 1: very well in the last four or five years. I think, 916 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,320 Speaker 1: top to bottom, they have one of the best overall 917 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,799 Speaker 1: rosters in the league when you talk about depth, but 918 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 1: they need premium players at premium positions. And if you've 919 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,279 Speaker 1: listened to me in Indianapolis in the last two months, 920 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 1: you've probably heard me say that four hundred times. Considering 921 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: what we saw in the playoffs and need dominant players 922 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 1: at edge rusher and quarterback and wide receiver. The colts 923 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:10,320 Speaker 1: best players are at running back and linebacker and defensive 924 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:15,399 Speaker 1: tackle and left guard. Right, So those are not they're 925 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: they're really important positions. But when you're talking about the 926 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,759 Speaker 1: top five most important positions on any NFL team, I 927 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,279 Speaker 1: don't think those would make the list. I mean, the 928 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:31,759 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz of it all. I'm trying to form a question, Yeah, 929 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: I mean really just that is the uncertainty there as 930 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,400 Speaker 1: prominent within the Colts facility as it seems to be 931 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: from the outside looking in. Yes, I mean anytime you're 932 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: getting it was as much of what was said at 933 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 1: the end of the season by Chris Ballard and Frank Reich, 934 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 1: and it was also about what they didn't say at 935 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,319 Speaker 1: the end of the season in terms of, you know, 936 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,600 Speaker 1: support and being definitive on the future of the team 937 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 1: at that position. You know, if you go back to 938 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,319 Speaker 1: last year, you know, Philip Rivers had just wrapped up 939 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,719 Speaker 1: his first year with the Colts and he was going 940 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,840 Speaker 1: to be a free agent again, and both Frank and 941 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 1: Chris were candidates saying we would love to have Philip back. 942 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,920 Speaker 1: He's got away his decision. He's got some things to 943 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 1: go through, you know, from a career standpoint, But yes, 944 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,319 Speaker 1: we would be very much open to bringing him back 945 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,760 Speaker 1: for another year. We just didn't hear that this past 946 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 1: season with Carson Wentz. We didn't hear that that's going around. 947 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,799 Speaker 1: So you know, obviously that opens things up for speculation. 948 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,880 Speaker 1: And then you're getting national reports from ESPN and a 949 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,760 Speaker 1: guy who's very you know, clued into especially the Colts 950 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 1: franchise and Chris Mortenson and clued into quarterbacks precisely. So 951 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 1: you know, we're just trying to figure out how much 952 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 1: fire is there around all the smokes and you know, 953 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,959 Speaker 1: so that's why I bring up you know, we're gonna 954 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,760 Speaker 1: find out here coming up in mid March when Carson 955 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,320 Speaker 1: Wentz has owed some more guaranteed money on the contractum. 956 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, like I said, the Colts are in 957 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,799 Speaker 1: a similar spot this offseason as compared to where they 958 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,840 Speaker 1: were last offseason, where we're talking about who's gonna play quarterback? 959 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: Is t Y Hilton gonna come back? Last year he 960 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 1: was a free agent. He's a free agent again this offseason, 961 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 1: but he's also contemplating retirement. Do the Colts need more 962 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 1: firepower at wide receiver. Do they need more depth at cornerback? 963 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 1: You know, last year they gambled on their young committee 964 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,239 Speaker 1: at pass rusher, led by Quitti Pay who was only 965 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,960 Speaker 1: a rookie dioa dangbo. They draft in the second round 966 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 1: out at a Vanderbilt down your guy's neck of the woods. 967 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 1: And really he had a half a season because he 968 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,880 Speaker 1: started the year on pup and was coming off an 969 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 1: achilles injury getting ready for the draft about this time 970 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: last year. So yeah, the Colts, even outside of quarterback, 971 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,880 Speaker 1: they've got a lot of questions as they try to 972 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,400 Speaker 1: compete with the Cincinnatis, the Tennessee's, the Kansas Cities of 973 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,120 Speaker 1: the world. I mean, the Colts had seven Pro Bowlers 974 00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,359 Speaker 1: last year. A lot of guys make All Pro, but 975 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,640 Speaker 1: they went nine and eight. So this offseason we're all 976 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,399 Speaker 1: asking ourselves, do the Colts need to deviate from their 977 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,399 Speaker 1: strategy and roster building and roster construction in order to 978 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,120 Speaker 1: keep up with the Jones as if you will in 979 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,040 Speaker 1: the AFC, which is stacked with young quarterbacks and great 980 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,399 Speaker 1: teams who aren't going anywhere in the near future, and 981 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 1: an owner who was clearly unamused. It does not seem 982 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 1: like he's gonna be interested to hear. Well, We're just 983 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 1: gonna be patient. We're just gonna continue to put building 984 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,720 Speaker 1: blocks in place. It feels like he's saying to Chris Ballard, 985 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,440 Speaker 1: I want to do something now. Well. I mean, at 986 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,040 Speaker 1: the end of the season, it was the Colts definitely, 987 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,359 Speaker 1: you know, peaked. They hit their high point of the 988 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: season on Christmas Night beat the Cardinals in prime time. 989 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,600 Speaker 1: They were really tested in terms of depth that night. 990 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,719 Speaker 1: They were ravaged. I mean day of the game, they 991 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,440 Speaker 1: had four or five guys land on the COVID list, 992 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 1: and you're thinking, Holy my, how are they going to 993 00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: feel the team, how are they going to compete, Who's 994 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 1: gonna left guard, who's gonna play all these different positions? 995 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,719 Speaker 1: And again, how well they are built really came to 996 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,239 Speaker 1: the forefront because they didn't miss a beat. They won 997 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,080 Speaker 1: the game. They won in a hostile environment on Christmas Night, 998 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,200 Speaker 1: and in Week seventeen they played the Raiders at home. 999 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,880 Speaker 1: Week eighteen, they played the Jaguars in the season on 1000 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,880 Speaker 1: the road. Heading into those two games, the Colts analytically speaking, 1001 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,719 Speaker 1: had a ninety eight percent chance of making the playoffs, 1002 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,560 Speaker 1: and they didn't get it done. They lost those two games. 1003 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,240 Speaker 1: Week eighteen was an absolute disaster, considering they were favored 1004 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,399 Speaker 1: by fifteen and a half points, never showed up, got 1005 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,600 Speaker 1: ran out of the gym that game, and considering all 1006 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,600 Speaker 1: that was on the line for them in that contest, 1007 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,400 Speaker 1: I don't know how you sugarcoat it. I mean, that 1008 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,279 Speaker 1: was one of the worst regular season losses in the 1009 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,720 Speaker 1: history of the franchise. And at the end of that trip, 1010 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,240 Speaker 1: Chris Ballard and Frank Wright got called into Jim Ersey's 1011 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,960 Speaker 1: offense office, excuse me, and he wanted to talk about 1012 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,719 Speaker 1: He wanted to get some things off his chest. He 1013 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,000 Speaker 1: was very upset. He was very disappointed considering how the 1014 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,279 Speaker 1: last two games unfolded. Inconsistency at quarterback, you know, some 1015 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,759 Speaker 1: up and down on even this if you will, on 1016 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 1: the offense, unable to stop people on defense. It was 1017 00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,520 Speaker 1: just sort of a perfect storm of negative things to 1018 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,759 Speaker 1: end this season for the Colts. Considering they control their 1019 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,080 Speaker 1: own destiny, all they had to do is win one 1020 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 1: of those two games against in my opinion, inferior competition, 1021 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,200 Speaker 1: and they didn't get the job done. So that kind 1022 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: of sparked you know Jim Ursay's feelings on the direction 1023 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,720 Speaker 1: of this team. He's normally a standoffish owner. He hires 1024 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,960 Speaker 1: people to do the job, he lets them do the job. 1025 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,360 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean he doesn't have experience and he 1026 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,640 Speaker 1: doesn't have opinions, and I think he has voiced his 1027 00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,480 Speaker 1: opinion when it comes to the direction of this team 1028 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,399 Speaker 1: at quarterback. So, Matt, it is not crazy to think 1029 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,279 Speaker 1: from what you're saying that the Colts don't have a 1030 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,240 Speaker 1: number one pick. Your first selection comes at forty seven 1031 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,120 Speaker 1: and then you pick again at eighty two, right, Okay, Yes, 1032 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,080 Speaker 1: but it's not crazy to think if they could go 1033 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,400 Speaker 1: get one of the big names out there, even if 1034 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,879 Speaker 1: they had to trade number ones for the next couple 1035 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,040 Speaker 1: of years and a player and a player and they're 1036 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 1: gonna have to give up a player, Okay that yeah, 1037 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,840 Speaker 1: So if they're giving up a bunch, they would be 1038 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,160 Speaker 1: willing to do it right now based on what the 1039 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,560 Speaker 1: owner wants. That would not surprise you. Well, like I said, 1040 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,000 Speaker 1: they haven't gone that route. It would be a change, 1041 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,520 Speaker 1: would definitely be a change. And again that's what we're 1042 00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,680 Speaker 1: asking ourselves in Indianapolis for the past two months. Given 1043 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,920 Speaker 1: the fact the Colts didn't make the playoffs. They've got 1044 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,000 Speaker 1: a great team top to bottom, but they went nine 1045 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:43,239 Speaker 1: and eight. That just kind of underlines and bold italicize 1046 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,880 Speaker 1: whatever you want to say the importance of quarterback and 1047 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,279 Speaker 1: having top five players at premium positions. And you know, 1048 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,759 Speaker 1: the Colts are historically a team under Chris Ballard that 1049 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,200 Speaker 1: they want to have a lot of draft picks, they 1050 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,120 Speaker 1: want to be prudent in free agency, be very mindful 1051 00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,080 Speaker 1: of who they're bringing in because they want to have 1052 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,719 Speaker 1: guys fit the culture, fit the team, fit you know, 1053 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,600 Speaker 1: what they're trying to build. But as we saw Cincinnati, 1054 00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,600 Speaker 1: they've got Jamar Chase and they've got a really good, 1055 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,080 Speaker 1: solid group of you know, core pass rushers and a 1056 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,040 Speaker 1: really good defense. And obviously Burrow speaks for himself. Same 1057 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,920 Speaker 1: thing with Tennessee in Kansas City. You know, it's like, 1058 00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,600 Speaker 1: what do the Colts need to do? How aggressive do 1059 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,279 Speaker 1: they need to be in order to keep up with 1060 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,960 Speaker 1: the Joneses because they have this window of opportunity right now. 1061 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,320 Speaker 1: I mean, Jonathan Taylor's in his prime, He's under his 1062 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,600 Speaker 1: rookie contract, right you need to maximize that as much 1063 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,719 Speaker 1: as you can. You just pay Darius Leonard DeForrest Buckner's here. 1064 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,000 Speaker 1: Kenny Moore is still under contract. So you've got the 1065 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,880 Speaker 1: necessary pieces of a lot of different positions on the team, 1066 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,440 Speaker 1: so you don't want to squander that. But you know, 1067 00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,800 Speaker 1: it's never about one guy. I understand that, but a 1068 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,400 Speaker 1: lot of it is about one guy, not the whole piece. 1069 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,279 Speaker 1: But you know, the quarterback sort of drives this thing. 1070 00:52:55,400 --> 00:53:00,440 Speaker 1: I mean, or the Cincinnati Bengals a AFC caliber playoff 1071 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:05,520 Speaker 1: roster or AFC title contending roster. Probably not, but you 1072 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,640 Speaker 1: know the Colts weren't. They didn't have that type of 1073 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,960 Speaker 1: roster in twenty fourteen with Andrew Luck either, so he 1074 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,760 Speaker 1: kind of masked a lot of deficiencies. So the Colts 1075 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,080 Speaker 1: are ready to go right now. They just need a quarterback, 1076 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,760 Speaker 1: but not having a first round pick and having uncertainty 1077 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,080 Speaker 1: with Carson Wentz, obviously it's way easier said than done. 1078 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:28,360 Speaker 1: There are also some coaching changes within the Colts organization. 1079 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,160 Speaker 1: With Maddie Berflus leaving, you've got a new defensive coordinator 1080 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,800 Speaker 1: and along with that comes linebackers coach, a wide receivers 1081 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,840 Speaker 1: coach that is rumored to maybe be Reggie Wayne. Some 1082 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,520 Speaker 1: of those position coaches. How can that maybe shake up 1083 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,279 Speaker 1: within the culture, within some of the rooms, maybe make 1084 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,520 Speaker 1: an impact and just give a team that seems to 1085 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,520 Speaker 1: be really frustrated maybe a breath of fresh air. Well, specifically, 1086 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,840 Speaker 1: on defense, the Colts have been a top ten scoring 1087 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,800 Speaker 1: defense three out of the last four years under Matt Eberflew. 1088 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,960 Speaker 1: So it's not like they're a bad defense. The hallmarks 1089 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,720 Speaker 1: of that defense last couple of years have been flying 1090 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,440 Speaker 1: to the ball, creating takeaways, and being really good at 1091 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,359 Speaker 1: stopping the run. I mean last year or two years ago, 1092 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,400 Speaker 1: the Colts finished number two in run defense. This past season, 1093 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,960 Speaker 1: they forced thirty three takeaways, which was number two in 1094 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,480 Speaker 1: the NFL. And they talked about in training camp, hey, 1095 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,640 Speaker 1: we want to have forty takeaways. Forty takeaways like that 1096 00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,960 Speaker 1: it hasn't been done since twenty twelve in the NFL, 1097 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,279 Speaker 1: and people kind of laughed at it and rolled their 1098 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,479 Speaker 1: eyes at it. But towards the end of the season 1099 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,560 Speaker 1: the Colts were on pace for thirty nine. They ended 1100 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,280 Speaker 1: up getting thirty three. So they're really good at stripping 1101 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,880 Speaker 1: the ball. Darius Leonard, I mean, I mean, what can 1102 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,040 Speaker 1: you say about that guy? He leads the NFL among 1103 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,960 Speaker 1: linebackers and forced fumbles interceptions since he broke into the 1104 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,880 Speaker 1: league in twenty eighteen. So that is the strength of 1105 00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,400 Speaker 1: the defense. The weakness under Mattiberflus on that side of 1106 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,640 Speaker 1: the ball is anything relating to pass defense and most 1107 00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,960 Speaker 1: specifically completion percentage allowed. And it's not just great quarterbacks, 1108 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,920 Speaker 1: it's middle of the road quarterbacks. I've had really big 1109 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,200 Speaker 1: days passing the ball against the Colts, I mean Gardner Minshew, 1110 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I can go on and on and on, 1111 00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:16,080 Speaker 1: but right, I mean the Colts have routinely they did 1112 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,200 Speaker 1: give up a high completion percentage. I mean, Drew Brees 1113 00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,239 Speaker 1: had a historically great game. Aaron Rodgers had some great 1114 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,640 Speaker 1: games against the Colts. So I think there's room for 1115 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,360 Speaker 1: improvement under Gus Bradley. And that's what I'm eager to 1116 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,040 Speaker 1: see is how do his schemes in the back end, 1117 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,920 Speaker 1: running a cover three and kind of a hybrid system 1118 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,719 Speaker 1: where you're running man to man over here and cover 1119 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,040 Speaker 1: three or a matchup zone over here on this on 1120 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,480 Speaker 1: different sides of the football or different sides of the field. 1121 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,400 Speaker 1: How does that compliment what the Colts have personnel wise? 1122 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,920 Speaker 1: So I'm eager to see how that's gonna shake out 1123 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,040 Speaker 1: starting in the OTA period. But yeah, that's that's where 1124 00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,120 Speaker 1: the Colts are trying to get, is to marry the 1125 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,960 Speaker 1: strength and to improve on what was a weakness in 1126 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,680 Speaker 1: terms of just you know, well, I mean, they didn't 1127 00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,320 Speaker 1: give up big plays in the passing game, but teams 1128 00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,359 Speaker 1: were able to just maneuver their way down the field 1129 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,839 Speaker 1: with high completion percentage, and the pass rush hasn't been 1130 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,200 Speaker 1: what it needs to be if you're going to play 1131 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:20,759 Speaker 1: that soft zone coverage and keep everything in front. That 1132 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,160 Speaker 1: was a very frank conversation who was a very frank conversation, 1133 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,200 Speaker 1: and I appreciate that from old Matt Taylor. He's a 1134 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,520 Speaker 1: good guy, very good young announcer. I think one of 1135 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,040 Speaker 1: the bright lights in the business. And over the next 1136 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,440 Speaker 1: three weeks he is going to have some very interesting 1137 00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,959 Speaker 1: time because two weeks from today, at three o'clock Central time, 1138 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,239 Speaker 1: the top fifty one rule takes effect, and so you 1139 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,000 Speaker 1: have to be under the salary cap at that point. 1140 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,120 Speaker 1: What's interesting, too, is some guys have these clauses in 1141 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:56,520 Speaker 1: their contract triggered oftentimes on the fifth day of the 1142 00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,239 Speaker 1: fiscal year, which means that would come five days after 1143 00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:07,000 Speaker 1: the sixteenth or March the twenty first. Interesting. Interesting, interesting, indeed, 1144 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,000 Speaker 1: so the Colts. I think you're going to have a 1145 00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,520 Speaker 1: very interesting next eighteen or so days. There's a lot 1146 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,080 Speaker 1: of stuff to watch in the National Football League. Mike Keith, 1147 00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,640 Speaker 1: this is a very exciting time. We'll have another OTP 1148 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,919 Speaker 1: for you on Thursday. But for Amy Wells, I'm Mike Keith. 1149 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,360 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining for the Wednesday edition of 1150 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,360 Speaker 1: the OTP. The March second version of the OTP presented 1151 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,240 Speaker 1: by Farm Bureau Health Plans, and once again thank you 1152 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:35,640 Speaker 1: for joining us for the official Titans pipeline. Welcome to 1153 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,920 Speaker 1: the Big Show where the legends go. 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