1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Luis Sevarino made his spring training debut for the Mets. 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: We got Christian Scott and Mike Vassel on the mound, 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Brandon Momaye's debut Starling Martes playing some pretty good baseball. 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: A lot of stuff that happened this past weekend, Let's 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: talk about it. 6 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: Today's episode is sponsored by Aura. Are you tired of 7 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: receiving spam phone calls to the point where you don't 8 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: even want to answer your phone anymore? 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We got a little bit 32 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: of spring training baseball to talk about. Like you heard 33 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: in the intro, Luis Severino making his spring training debut. 34 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: We got to see some of the prospects, Tidwell, Christian Scott, 35 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: Mike Vassel on the mound for some meaningful innings as well, 36 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: Jose Budo getting in there, Sean Manaya as well getting 37 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: back on the mound, and then Marte brandon Nimo. Those 38 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: guys made their debut as well this weekend or no Marte. 39 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: Marte played a little bit earlier, but they're playing baseball. 40 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 1: So a lot of good stuff to talk about here. 41 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: You know, on the Mets Up podcast, we love to 42 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: just talk about every little thing that goes on and 43 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: that's exactly what you're gonna get. Make sure you follow 44 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: us on all our social media at mets up on Twitter, Instagram, 45 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: and TikTok. Subscribe to the Mets Stuff podcast YouTube channel 46 00:01:58,240 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: if you want to see the video version of this. 47 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: And if you're listening to us Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google 48 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: All Nope, not that company, not shouting them out, drop 49 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: us a rating, drops a review, download and subscribe. James, 50 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 1: what's going on? Man? Uh, We've had We've had a 51 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: couple of nights the last few a little late. 52 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: A couple couple of nights. But Sunday was beautiful. This 53 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: was like the first spring has sprung day. And something 54 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: I noticed greatly hanging out around Brooklyn Williamsburg green Point today, 55 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: lots of METS hats. I saw so many METS hats 56 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: around the city today was amazing. And then I was 57 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: taking a walk with one of my friends, just like 58 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: around the block, just chit chat and catch it up. 59 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: And we walked past this nice, quiet little street and 60 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: that's held in the corner of green Point, and like 61 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: from the end of the street, we saw a garage open, 62 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: some guys and some nice lawn chairs hanging outside. We're like, Okay, 63 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 2: it seems like a good vibe, something good to look 64 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: at about seven eight old dudes, a lot of white hair, 65 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 2: a lot of like cut off sleeveless shirts, but like 66 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: barrel chested men. Pironi's two boxes of pizza and sny 67 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: Mets game spring Training in the corner. Pizza, beer, baseball. 68 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: That's that's what springs all about. 69 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: That that really is. I mean, listen, if we didn't 70 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: go out the last two nights, I think I would 71 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: have been about pizza, beer and Mets baseball today as well. 72 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: But we need a little break, A little break on 73 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: the the gut is not a problem. We did also 74 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: indulge in so much Korean meats last night, which was phenomenal. 75 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: Shout out John grow Yeah. 76 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 2: Any restaurant we have a good time that we're gonna 77 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: shot him on the podcast. Always free. We will get 78 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 2: free as if we like your food. 79 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: But of course, a lot of. 80 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: Mets stuff talk about from the weekend. A lot of 81 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: mess stuff in our context, not really a lot of 82 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: mess stuff really in the scope of the world. But 83 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: we got we have some picture performances. I'm get very 84 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: excited to talk about Luis Eaverno, Blade Tidwell, Christian Scott, 85 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: Mike Fassel, Jose Budo got back on the mound. Sean 86 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: and I and Adrian Howes were not very good at all. 87 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: These guys were actually in the rotation with that's so 88 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: much less fun than the guys who might be in 89 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: the rotation actually do look pretty good. 90 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: So where do you want to start off? Severino? Is that? 91 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: Is that where we want to go? I feel like 92 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: that's the big name right now. 93 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Sevan is the big name, and he's the one 94 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: guy who we were able to actually watch on TV 95 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: and have the day that backed it up, because like Saturday, 96 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: you guys know how much I really wanted to watch 97 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: Christian Scott to spend Mike Vassel, which is like watching 98 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: on the Marlins Press broadcast from like behind the plate 99 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: in the mezzanine. 100 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: It was like, this is painful. 101 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: But had Radio Howie, Keith Rad Pat McCarthy and just 102 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: getting all the stackcast day that was still worth it. 103 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: But Severino on Friday, I think it was a really 104 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: encouraging debut and all Mets fans should be encouraged by this. 105 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: He got up in ninety seven eight on the fastball, 106 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: pretty good shape, not elite, but like pretty good, significally 107 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: better than it was last year. We kind of wound 108 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: up in like a dead zone. Was fourteen fastball. It's 109 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 2: a big reason why his year spun out of the whack. 110 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 2: His slider is still awesome. Savan said he was throwing 111 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 2: it harder and with less break, But I think that's 112 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 2: just like it's spring training for baseball. Savan two, so 113 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: pitch recognition. I think he just grabbed a couple of 114 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 2: colors and thought they were slyders and mashing them together, 115 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 2: so it made it look like he was throwing it 116 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 2: harder with less break. Really, there's probably just two distinct 117 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 2: pitches being thrown and something that was really cool. 118 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: Change up. 119 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: Severrio talked about the change up this offseason. 120 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: A video of him a. 121 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 2: Drive line went viral because he was just working on 122 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 2: change ups and looked disgusting, and it really looked really 123 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: good again on Friday, he only threw five of them, 124 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: and it was down a whole mile an hour compared 125 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: to last year, but he had six more inches of 126 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 2: drop and three more inches of armside fate, So that's 127 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: nine extra inches of movement on this pitch compared to 128 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: the last year when he was throwing with the Yankees. 129 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 2: Last year he was throwing the Yankees, the pitch was 130 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: not good. It was a blow average pitch in terms 131 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 2: of mo movements, vlostly everything. It was just kind of 132 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: been a useful weapon for him to just have something 133 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: different than the fastball in the slider, something just moved 134 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 2: in a different way at a different speed, just like 135 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: existing he thought was helping him. But if this looks 136 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: like a big change and this movement, Prile makes it 137 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: look like it's actually probably a plus pitch, huge thing 138 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: for him to add to his toolbox. 139 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean super encouraged what we saw. Again, it's 140 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: gonna be like little baby steps with them as we 141 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: go through spring and picking out those little nuggets that 142 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: make you hopefully believe that Louis Severno can be someone 143 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: that's going to be very useful in this rotation. But 144 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: like you said, seeing that ninety seven ninety eight mile 145 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: an hour fastball, that was the thing that I was 146 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: the most excited about, just because like the live arm 147 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: is still there early in spring, only gonna get stronger 148 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: hopefully as the season goes on. And if we want 149 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,239 Speaker 1: Louis Severino to even come close to returning to form. 150 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: He's gonna need that fastball to be in that elite 151 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: level totally. But that was also something that he never lost. 152 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: Last year's bad that shit got like he still was 153 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: ninety six, ninety seven, got ninety eight. It was all 154 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: the other stuff that was ruining him. And one of 155 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: the big things I was ruining him was that fastball shape. 156 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: It still had the velosity, but there was just something 157 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: about the way he was throwing it, which is coming 158 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: in flat. It was getting a little too much run 159 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: on it, where he used to have that like nice 160 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: popping fastball get up on you. So what he did 161 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: last year and he expanded on that on Friday again, 162 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 2: was start throwing more sinkers. I don't know if I 163 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: really like this, but again I kind of trust with 164 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 2: the best coaches, with Jeremy Hefner and Sevrena. We're doing 165 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 2: internally right now. And he introduced the sinker severino last year. 166 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 2: Like towards the end of the summer, again, when the 167 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: fastball was dead, you couldn't get anybody out. 168 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: He don't was swinging to the missing at it. 169 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 2: He just needed to do something to get batters out 170 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: and the Yankees brought the sinker on slowly, and the 171 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 2: Yankees have been kind of notorious for sinkers, I think 172 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 2: in baseball the last few years, as the pitch has 173 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: really been revived where it was like it was the 174 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 2: biggest pitch like twenty years ago, and then everyone was like, 175 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 2: we just want to throw hard fastballs to make people 176 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 2: swing and miss. But now these last couple of years, 177 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: I think the Yankees have kind of catalyzed it where 178 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: sinkers are kind of becoming cool again, for lack of 179 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: a better term. And he threw a little bit a 180 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: little bit the last five six starts of the year 181 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: last year, and then by his last two starts of 182 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: the year he was throwing a ten eleven, twelve percent, 183 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: So it was a legitimate pitch. There's a repertoire. And 184 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: Friday it was then pitching through the most. So I 185 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: think that's probably partially spring training working on stuff, but 186 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 2: also probably like the fastball shape again was fine, but 187 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 2: it will it's not going back twenty seventeen Luis s Everino, 188 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: So it's just having another wrinkle for hitters and if 189 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 2: anyone wants like really get into the weeds for spring training, data. 190 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: I would definitely recommend you guys checking out someone on 191 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: Twitter TJ stats Thomas Nestico. He gets deep and deep 192 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: and deep. He has his own stuff plus modle that 193 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: grades out pretty well. It looks like reasonably comparable to 194 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: the other ones. And he's pumping out all the spring 195 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: training stuff every single day. And he said that the 196 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: sinker graded out just below average and stuff plus his 197 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 2: fastball was just about that average, So not that much 198 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 2: of a difference in terms of where those pitches are 199 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: stuff wise, but just having two distinct ones another tool 200 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: in the bag always helps. 201 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think too with Severina like you mentioned, 202 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: like the swinging miss issues or whatever that he was 203 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: having last year, having a hard time putting away guys, 204 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: this sinker could definitely be that pitch to try and 205 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: maybe get like a quicker out, get an easier out, 206 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: allows him to go longer in the game without theoretically 207 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: throwing his main pitches trying to work for that strikeout. 208 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: We've seen pitchers do this in the past as well, 209 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: Like if you can get the strikeout way better, obviously, 210 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: but if you're having difficulties, like you said with that fastball, 211 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: getting that swing and miss this sinker still gives you 212 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: or sinker not stinker. Sinker gives you that sneaky there. 213 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: It gives you that ability to still like throw like 214 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: a fastball but get out. Yeah. 215 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: I think another part of it is probably the fact 216 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: that he's now gonna pitch in the stadium mostly that 217 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: where you're not that afraid of contact, where when you're 218 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: pitching a Yankee stadium you kind of want to run 219 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: away from contact, Like you can now throw some sinkers 220 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 2: and kind of let guys pull the round the yard 221 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: and let like a very revamped in field outfield defense 222 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: be able to make the plays on that, whereas a 223 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: Yankee stadium like you, I just my goal would always 224 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: be to not let bat touch ball like Garykll actually 225 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 2: did go away from that last year he start throwing 226 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: color for the first time his career and helped him 227 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: win the Cy Young but also with strikeouts went way down. 228 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: So I don't know. 229 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: There's a lot of push and pull with this stuff, 230 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 2: But that's what these first few weeks spring training are 231 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: all about, like see what you have, see what you're 232 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 2: working on, see if that works. Maybe it doesn't try 233 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: that one the other way, because like the sinker still 234 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: isn't really gonna help him against lefties, which was the 235 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: big problem, Like, I don't want Luis We're gonna throwing 236 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 2: sinkers to left eas like that just has to be 237 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: fastball change ups and maybe the sly sharp enough or 238 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: maybe the colors in the spot where you can get 239 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,599 Speaker 2: to them. But again, every single thing we saw, I 240 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: would be very encouraged by. I've lost the better, better 241 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: change up and still very good slider. 242 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: Keeping it in. Guys that are gonna be in the 243 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: rotation for sure. Sean and Iyah made an appearance yet 244 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: on Saturday, right Saturday, Yeah, Saturday, because how's their pitched today? 245 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: My days are all mest up. Manaya didn't look great. 246 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: But here's what I respect about Sean maya baseball guy 247 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: pitched poorly in spring training. Cut the hair immediately gone. 248 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: He's got short hair like me and James right now. 249 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: He just completely changed his look in spring training after 250 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: a bad start. He's like done. He apparently hasn't gotten 251 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: a haircut in four years, I think is what he said. 252 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: Four years, and now he's got the close cut, the 253 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: clean look. I like it. I'm about it. That was 254 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: something that we talked about jokingly with Cody Bellinger when 255 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: he just shaved his head after like growing out the 256 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: hair a little bit. We're like, that's a baseball move 257 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: right there. Like the guy's willing to do anything to 258 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: get better, and I like seeing Sean Maya do that. Yeah, 259 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: changing stuff up. We always hear how insanely superstitious these 260 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: guys are, even like talking to some of them last 261 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: few years, Like it's very real, how superstitious lot these 262 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: players are. But Manaiyah was something else funny. 263 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: He's he shaved the beer totally down and you can 264 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: so hardcore see the beard tan line on his face. 265 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: That's something I've always been horrified about for shaving my beer, 266 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: because I've had a beer in some degree on my face. 267 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: We're going on like basically a full decade at this point, wow, 268 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: which is crazy. So I guess man I was probably 269 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: like said four or five years, I'm terrified to taking off. 270 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: My skin's just pale and this is tand I'm like, 271 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: I can't, I can't walk around. 272 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: Like, oh, you're totally gonna have like a little baby skin, 273 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: like it's gonna be like like crazy what it would 274 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: look like. 275 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, but again, I appreciate many because 276 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 2: all the pictures look bad like this. Zlasty was down 277 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: like it was just maybe again this is like a 278 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 2: start to work on stuff. 279 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: But it looked, it looked very bad. 280 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 2: And not again it's it's March third. You guys listening 281 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 2: to this on March fourth, he pitched on March second. 282 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 2: We're not so much caring about result right now. We're 283 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 2: much more concerned with like process and what guys are 284 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: doing that could actually make them better pictures. And Manaia 285 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 2: maybe for him it's shaving the hair and loosening up 286 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: the handsome guy clean the shape at that hairshore I 287 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 2: got to say. 288 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: I also like could be your cousin. I feel like. 289 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 2: I think we look a little similar. I think he's 290 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 2: so owing though no Hawaiian. 291 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe so as well. I don't think he's 292 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: got a dialion in him. But we still like it. 293 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: We still like it and just hopefully hopefully gets better. 294 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: Just get another star in there. Wouldn't hold two innings 295 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 2: of bad spring training results against the guy. 296 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: No, and same thing with Adrian Hawser today. We didn't 297 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: get any of the numbers on him yet, right, I 298 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: believe because there was the rain. Also was a little 299 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: bit weird too with the Mets game, but Howser did 300 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: not pitch well against the Astros. Watching the game, it 301 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: looked like the wind was blowing out, like the balls 302 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: were just kind of just flying a little bit, and 303 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: seems like he just got hit. That's gonna happen with 304 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: Adrian Hawser too. Yeah. 305 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 2: One thing with Howser I think that was interesting is 306 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 2: that just it was all sinkers and sliders and they 307 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: the Astros actually didn't even make contact with a single 308 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: one of his sliders even throw very many in the 309 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: zone either just didn't seem very sharp, but they were 310 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 2: just they were just putting that sinker in play in 311 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 2: the fastball. I think he threw a couple of them, 312 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 2: but one of them got. 313 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: Smoked slastly was down. 314 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 2: But how there's another guy where it's not this isn't 315 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: really much of a concern, like he's here to be 316 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: a metronome. 317 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: He's a field guy too. 318 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: Where it's like, and we said this when he was acquired, 319 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: like as a field guy, the days where you don't 320 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: feel it, you're gonna get smoked because if you're just 321 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: if your commands a little bit off if your movements 322 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: a little bit off, like you don't have the stuff 323 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: to get by guys and make mistakes, and it'd be okay. 324 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: If you're off, you're off, But he's not. 325 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: He'll be on. 326 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: There'll be like there'll be one time this year Adrian 327 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: Howser goes eight scoreless, like exactly, it happened exactly once 328 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: is there will be about four months this year. 329 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: What month June? June? Okay, a squirrels and June Adrian 330 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: hows are messed up podcast watch it happen. 331 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 2: But there's also been like four or five times at 332 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: least where he is at the game the third inning 333 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 2: with five runs. 334 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: On the board. It's just gonna happen. For sure. 335 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 2: It's all gonna wind up as like a four to 336 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 2: four era by the end of the year, and probably 337 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 2: one hundred and four of the innings. But it's just 338 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: it's not it might not be that fun to get there. 339 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the fun guys now though, 340 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: Now now the guys that you've been waiting to talk about. 341 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: One more point. 342 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: Adrian Howser after the start today was wearing the classic 343 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: shirt with Doc and Darryl and Mike Tyson with the punch. 344 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: So that's a Mets guy right here. Someone's excited to 345 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: be part of the franchise. 346 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: I like that. I like that he's embracing the Mets culture, 347 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 1: not the low Mets culture. All right, now the exciting guys. 348 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: Let's talk about my guy first. Let's talk about Blade 349 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: did Well. Because I had been like so excited when 350 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: the Mets drafted Blade did Well. They got him in 351 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: the second round. He was my number one pitcher in 352 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: the draft that year before the Mets even got him. 353 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: So before he says, oh, you're just Mets biased, he's 354 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: on the team all of a sudden, he's great. Was 355 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: a huge fan of him, and the big reason was 356 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,599 Speaker 1: heavy fastball. And you got to watch him And what 357 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: did you tell me, James was the first thing he said. 358 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: It's a heavy fastball. Yeah, heavy fastball. I mean he 359 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: just the way that Blade throws and how big he 360 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: is and the shoulders and everything. He just comes on 361 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: such a downward plane, like he really fires and rocks 362 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: at you. And it just when we say heavy fastball, 363 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: the idea is that it's really hard to lift it, 364 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: like hits the glove. Heavy. It sounds like deep. It 365 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: sounds like he's throwing a heavier baseball than he actually is. 366 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: It's a bizarre pitch that I've been trying to categorize. 367 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 2: I was talking to a friend of the podcast some 368 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 2: when you met last year, my guy Alex Eiser, who 369 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 2: wrote for Fangrafts. He's with the Blue Jays now and 370 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 2: his whole thing last year, research wise was seeking out 371 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 2: unique pitches. He wrote great article about saying and the 372 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: goest for it originally, and like he ranked every single 373 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 2: pitch in baseball by its uniqueness, and sang has had 374 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 2: like the ninth most unique pitch in baseball. 375 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: Like it was. 376 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 2: He's really good rither if you get there into like 377 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 2: nerd the nitty grady baseball research he wrote with it 378 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 2: was it. I think he wrote his master's thesis about 379 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: like the concept of tunneling, and that's like it's like 380 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: not as I've read the part of it because it 381 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 2: was so over my head, but it's like not as 382 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 2: true as it's made out to be. But it's just 383 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: like it was a constant late break actually doesn't exist. 384 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 2: It's just how good you can tunnel a pitch. That's 385 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 2: what gives a proced like break, so he's a freak. 386 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 2: I was talking about genius about how the kind of 387 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: try and characterize his heavy fastball because it's just like 388 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 2: it's something that never grades well in these tough models. 389 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 2: But I looked at it like I took the fastballs 390 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 2: that Blade was throwing. Again, got these stats from my 391 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 2: guy TJ stats Thomas Testico on Twitter. Because he has 392 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: vertical proch angles, horizontal approach angle, his release height, his extension, 393 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: the velocity of the carrier, the ivy b all this stuff, 394 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: and it's like it wasn't really like any other right 395 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: handed pitchers fastballs like can fine in the league, but 396 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: it was like some left handed pitchers fastballs. 397 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: But I took the right handed fastballs. 398 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: It was like and the one that was most similar 399 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 2: to was Derek Law doesn't really not know if for 400 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: throwing good fastball. He's not as big of a guy 401 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 2: as Blade, so Derek guy, doesn't he come a little 402 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 2: side Derek. 403 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: I think it's thinking of Jabo. Okay, okay, Derek Laws 404 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: over the top guy. But then lefty and it also 405 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: came out similarly as Nick Pavedo's, but Nick Pavetz has 406 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: much more backs and much more Carric He definitely is 407 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: like a down Yes, he's not over the top guy. 408 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: And then it was also really similar from the left side, 409 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: the fastballs that grayed out so much better. Daniy Kolmbey 410 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: was one of the best left handed relievers in the 411 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: league in the Orioles and Cole fucking Reagan's who's taking 412 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: the whole league by storm in three months. Call Reagan's 413 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: he can be the best pitcher in the league or 414 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 2: back on the operating table, and there's nowhere. 415 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: In between for him. 416 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: But like this, this pitch is again never gonna grade well. 417 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: It has that steep approach angle. He throws a straight up. 418 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: He's throwing a ninety eight miles an hour, And when 419 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: you're throwing that pitch ninety eight miles an hour with 420 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 2: that steep angle, with that carry, you're almost like it 421 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: almost feels sinkersh to me because he's throwing it low 422 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: in the zone. I think it plays better low in 423 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: the zone as well, because that's how it gets on 424 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 2: these hitthers better and just. And there wasn't a lot 425 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 2: of hard contact on to me though. The only ball 426 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: that was hit hard I think it was a Jordan 427 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 2: Walker tripple right before Blade left the game, which was 428 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 2: on a two strike change up just called little too 429 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 2: much play, But I get I want I want to 430 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: talk to Alex and now he's very busy working right now, 431 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: but I want to try and like characterize this heavy 432 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: fastball thing and find other guys like this, because this 433 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: pitch gets such bad grades and the stuff Miles plays fastball, 434 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: it's like a well blown average pitch because it just 435 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: doesn't have good iv B, but the WHT don't square 436 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 2: it up. That's what I'm saying. It's this thing that's 437 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: like a shift and where like scouts eyes have pitches 438 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 2: and where the models have pitches, and it has to 439 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: be somewhere in between. 440 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: It's a little bit of old school versus like what 441 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: you're learning in like the new school of how to 442 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: build a fastball, because this is the way that he 443 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: throws out fastball is very much like old school, like 444 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: big guy on the mound throw the ball down because 445 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: they can't hit it up, Like if you come from 446 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: a higher spot than they're gonna be hitting it from. 447 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: They can't hit the ball near. And I think that's 448 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: kind of what makes Blade super interesting, is that fastball 449 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: and I mean the other pitches are also pretty good 450 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: as well. For Blade. 451 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: That's cool thing about Blade, And we talked a lot 452 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: about this happened last year. Tim Heley row in a 453 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: great article that Blade like went to the pitching lab 454 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: and revamped the whole arsenal. I think a big reason 455 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: for that was because of the uniqueness of his fastball. 456 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: And the big thing that people always say pitching development 457 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: is like if you can learn pitches, you can learn pitches, 458 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: but your fastball you're almost kind of born with it, 459 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 2: Like that's just the way you throw, Like that's gonna 460 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 2: be your fastball. You can't really change a fastball. Sometimes 461 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: you can get more backspin on it. I know a 462 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: lot of teams are doing a lot of like biomechanics 463 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 2: stuff like getting those fastballs great, like whatever the asterrois, 464 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: State of Christian have vair last year that was that 465 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 2: was voodoo witchcraft. Like I don't know how they did that, 466 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: And if other teams knew how to do that, I'm 467 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: sure they would, and I'm sure they're actively trying to 468 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: replicate that. And same with Justin Erlin's fastball when you 469 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 2: went back there. But I think the Mets did a 470 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 2: lot to create a repertoire for Blade Tidwell around this again, 471 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 2: this strange fastball. And he threw six different pitches in 472 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 2: his appearance out Fry the fastball, a color, a sinker, 473 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 2: a change up, a curveball, and a slyder. And that 474 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 2: slider was the kind of one that was like kept 475 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 2: like jumping out to me as a pitch that was 476 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: really good. It was very Gyro wish where it was 477 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: just kind of dropping hard down, but they had a 478 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: little more movement that I think most Gyro sliders had. 479 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 2: He threw some nice ones with Nolan Gorman, Jordan Walker, 480 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 2: Nolan Arnado, and it was just like that was a 481 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: pitch that I was like, I was watching, It's like 482 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 2: this is a major league pitch. And I was talking 483 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 2: to our friend of the show, matd Eddie about it too, 484 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 2: and he's like he's probably a little less bullish on 485 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 2: Blaye tidd Well, especially just again, this fastball shape is 486 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 2: something that you're like, I don't know if you could 487 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 2: build a star's arsenal around it. But he said the 488 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: whole thing reminded him a little bit more of familiar 489 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 2: with the sinker. It was a different pitch but just 490 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 2: the fact that he's like coming down at you. It's 491 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: like a big guy in the mound. It's like the 492 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 2: shape's never going to be great, but the velocity could 493 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 2: be overwhelming. And Blade did get to ninety eight. That 494 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 2: velosophy was overwhelming. The slyder and the color were really good. 495 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 2: The change up in the curveball I think were totally acceptable. 496 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 2: The sinker was also weird. I think that's kind of him, 497 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: like I wanted to different shape because I don't think 498 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: these pitches are good, so I'm just gonna throw some 499 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: variation with it. And I think the way that he 500 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 2: also went about this outing was something that I liked 501 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 2: a lot. I'm trying to add more pitching analysis into 502 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 2: the way guys act on the mound, the way guys 503 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: respond to adversity, like things like that that think are 504 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: very important on like a when you're pitching in a 505 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: baseball game, and we take that yeah, more or less, 506 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 2: Steven Massa, because I think we've taken too much pitching 507 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: analysis now. There's so much data available publicly. Everything is 508 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 2: way too like what's the word I'm looking for. Everything's 509 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 2: way too theoretical. It's like I have these three pitches, 510 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: I can do this, Like Nick Pollock from Pittulss has 511 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: really helped me, like see this more so like what 512 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 2: happens on the field. And Blade gave up a lot 513 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 2: of soft contact, a lot of the balls found holes 514 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: that probably shouldn't and then Paul Goldschmand hits a number 515 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: off like off the handle of his bat or the 516 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 2: knob of his bat to Pete, and Pete and Blade 517 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 2: kind of converge on the ball and Blade freezes for 518 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 2: a second in Pete's like, go cover first, and He's like, 519 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 2: oh my god, yeah, I gotta cover first. So then 520 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: the second he gets there actually beats him by his step. 521 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 2: He gets there. Now there's two just one out second 522 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 2: and third earlier run home and Nolan Gorman. Nolan and 523 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: I were coming up and Blade a guy who's never 524 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: pitched the majors before. I think he's a ripe twenty 525 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 2: two years old. He's a year and a half off 526 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: the sec. He stands in there after a meeting from Jerby, 527 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 2: after and he strikes out Corman and Rana though where 528 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 2: it's like that's a moment where there's adversity, there's chaos. 529 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 2: He kept his head high. He refocused on what he 530 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 2: had to focus on. He dug deep, but he got 531 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 2: the outs he had to get. And there's a lot 532 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 2: again in terms of fastball shape and all this stuff, 533 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 2: maybe back end potential, maybe relieve a risk. 534 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: That's like just talked about a lot Blade Tadwell's future. 535 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: But being able to do that the first time he's 536 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 2: ever worn uniform and said mets on it, I thought 537 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 2: was very cool and made me encourage hopeful. 538 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: Blade did some big stuff like that. Like you said, 539 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: the pitches and stuff, you can break that down, but 540 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: the makeup and the feel of what he's got on 541 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: the mound, that's the s The SEC difference right there, 542 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: talk about the best conference in all the sports. You 543 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: know who's another SEC guy who Christian Scott sure is 544 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: S difference. 545 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: I'll say this before we get too Chrisian Scott caause 546 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 2: have a lot of stuff say about Christian Scott. 547 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: Florida. The Gaylors are the fakes SEC team in school. 548 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: Right there's the least SEC SEC. No, no, no, no, 549 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: Missouri Okay, but they're not pure SEC. Like they bounced around. 550 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: They don't. They's like not they're forever home. I'm talking 551 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: about pure SEC Kentucky Vanderbilt. No, but Kentucky's pure bread SEC. 552 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: Vanderbilt is also pure bred in the University Florida is 553 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: so phony. 554 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: Nah, I'm not gonna go there. I'm wont go there, Gated. 555 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: The Gators are a real SEC team. I gotta say that. Well, 556 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: we love the Gators on the Mets because we've got 557 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: Harrison Bada, We've got Pi Alonzo, and now we have 558 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: my guy, Christian Scott. 559 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: And this route too very excited for this one. I 560 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 2: can't wait for the next one. We can actually watch 561 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: him on television. And I think it also is worth 562 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: talking about right now that Blade, Christian Scott, Dom Hamill, 563 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 2: Mike Fassel, all of them were part of the first 564 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 2: round of roster cuts on Sunday that came through. And 565 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: I think all that means is that those guys, as 566 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 2: the Mets have said repeatedly, those guys are not part 567 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 2: of the major league depth right now. Those guys are 568 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: not SP six. Those guys are not SP seven, even 569 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 2: without Max Kranick. Right now, McGill's the five, Lukes's, the 570 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 2: six Buddos, the seven. 571 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: I think that's clear. 572 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 2: Today's roster decisions make that apparent. And that's okay because 573 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 2: I don't think there's a rush for these guys. And 574 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: also compared to a team like just for an example, 575 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 2: like the Yankees, like they kept Will Warrant through the 576 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 2: first round of cuts, they have a little less pitching 577 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: depth like he because he's staying again, like he's gonna 578 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: be sp seven now. But that's the difference I think 579 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 2: right now between Scott Vassel and with the guys in 580 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 2: this team, like everyone's gonna be the minor league to start. 581 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 2: But I don't really think that's that bad of a 582 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 2: thing either. 583 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: No, absolutely not, Like I mean, a little more time 584 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: in the pitching lab. Cool with it, no problems at all, 585 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: very cool. 586 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 2: And again, fucking wish the Scott start was on television 587 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 2: because of some of the stuff looks so crazy. I 588 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: was again I was watching like the Marlins press angle and 589 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 2: it was like, oh, there's a slide. 590 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: There's a slider. 591 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 2: Also, the guy who is kind of funny on Mets Twitter. 592 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: His name is Nathan I think at Nathan nym lind'or 593 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 2: or something. He did the cutup of that angle. He 594 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: put every single Christian Scott pitch on Twitter. So you 595 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 2: guys can check that out. But there's so much of 596 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 2: this Christian Scott arsenal that looks so much fucking fun. 597 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 2: The fastball, the sweeper, and his little color gyro slide. 598 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: They're all gray out, super well by stuff. Plus all 599 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 2: of them seemed like the Marlins couldn't really grasp them. 600 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 2: I think I think it was some hard contact end 601 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 2: one run. But listening to Keith rad and the radio 602 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: was like, that looks good. That one looks good, and 603 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 2: this fastball can be such a unicorn. I was talking 604 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 2: about this, and I'm the Pictureless Discord. If everyone reads 605 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: Pictureless Discord is an amazing deal because just there's so 606 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 2: many high level baseball conversations happening all day. It kind 607 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: of got me thinking about Mark two, like maybe making 608 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 2: a little messed up discord or something that you guys 609 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: want us know, because that might be something we get 610 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 2: going before the season starts. But Christian Scott, the thing 611 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: that makes his fastball so cool and unique and different 612 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 2: and weird is that he comes from a very flat 613 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 2: release angle. But it also is at three quarters, which 614 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 2: reminds me a lot of another guy that Mess used 615 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 2: to have whose initials were ZW. But I don't want 616 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 2: to compare anybody to anybody yet because I don't want 617 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 2: to say it. 618 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: Yes, Zach Wheeler, it looks. 619 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 2: Like that in the mouth, and maybe it's like the 620 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: skinny guy with the scruff who's like kind of athletic 621 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: but lanky, but he's coming from that three quarter but 622 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: also kind of like the kind of shallow and just 623 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 2: like it feels and looks like Baby Wheeler. It's ninety 624 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: five ninety six instead of ninety eight ninety nine. That's 625 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: the huge difference here. But especially now that he's doing 626 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,239 Speaker 2: that with two distinct sliders, like that feels it all 627 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 2: feels kind of similar to me. 628 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: And just the way he throws like that three quarter 629 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: right there, it's. 630 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 2: It comps really really similar in terms of his horizontal 631 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 2: release angle is very release angles release highest extension. The 632 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: two guys who each have very good fastballs, but on 633 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 2: different side of Christian Scott's velosophy. Once Tyler Moley, who 634 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 2: before all his surgeries, had a fastball that always grayed 635 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 2: out amazingly and even sat ninety two ninety four, they 636 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: always got great results. And the other one he's a reliever, 637 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 2: but similar Matt Brash, who is probably one of the 638 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: most devastating fastballs in the league with a sweeper that 639 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 2: matches it. Sliders crazy, it's insane. But Scott's kind of 640 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 2: right between those two guys, and the angles are also similar, 641 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 2: and it's very rare for someone to have that flag 642 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: of an angle while coming that far in three quarters. 643 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: Not many guys in the league have it, and that's 644 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,479 Speaker 2: what makes Scott so interesting. Then he was also very 645 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: sinker heavy in this, which we've heard he's moved away 646 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 2: from a sinker towards the fastballs like as he's gone 647 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: through the Mets system. So I'm not sure if these 648 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 2: were just miss marked fastballs or actual sinkers. I was 649 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 2: talking to some guys on Twitter about that guy I 650 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 2: talked about last time, MJD Analysis, who was just like 651 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 2: they were moving distinctly, but they weren't moving that differently 652 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 2: from the four team, So maybe they're just dead zone fastballs. 653 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. 654 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 2: It's got spring training for Savants as well, But there's 655 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: there's so much with those three pitches, the fastball, the 656 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: color of the gyro, and the sweeper that there's such 657 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 2: a high on this guy. 658 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: It's kind of stupid. 659 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 2: He didn't even really look that good seemed like wasn't 660 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 2: really commanding the zone super well, and he's still a 661 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: forty five percent whiff right and a thirty five percent 662 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 2: called swing striker in the marbles in ending and a half. 663 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you guys are not watching the 664 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: YouTube version of this, you should because you can see 665 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: James face light up talking about Christian Scott. He gets 666 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: excited about this guy. But like like you said, there 667 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: are just a lot of good things where the Mets 668 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: haven't had a pitching prospect of this possible caliber in 669 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: quite some time. Yeah, since since some of the guys 670 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: that you just mentioned that he's pitching similarly too, so 671 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: to be able to see it and know that this 672 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: could be somebody that's coming through the organization is exciting. Again, 673 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: we need to probably see him on a regular TV 674 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: to like really get a feel for what these things 675 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: are going to look like, because it's impossible to actually 676 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: tell from that press angle from behind home plate in 677 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: the press box one hundred feet away. But the stuff 678 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: that you are able to see, the stuff that we 679 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: can just look at and understand, like the forty five 680 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: percent whifts in the game, that's great, that's fantastic. And 681 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: something else cool. 682 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 2: Again, we had these public stuff models and he creates 683 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 2: like all these pitchers graded plus plus and every single 684 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 2: one of them. And he threw one split change, which 685 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 2: we heard is the pitch he's working on, and the 686 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 2: one moves a lot. 687 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 1: I don't know. 688 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 2: I want to see him through exactly one. I was like, 689 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: oh my god, and we should move the tons to 690 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 2: complete opposite directions slider two, which is cool. But then 691 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 2: the other thing about Scott, which is like trying to 692 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 2: help me temperate expectations. Something I've read I think and 693 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 2: Eric Loganheggen, the respect guy in fangrass right up on 694 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 2: him and the Mets recent prospect rankings on Fangraphs is 695 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: that he gets all this credit for this incredible command 696 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: because these walk rates are insane. Lowis walker in the 697 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: minor leagues while the best strike guy MS walk rates 698 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 2: in the minor leagues. And it seems like watching him 699 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 2: now and seeing I tweeted out like the pitch illustrated 700 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 2: that Savan puts out where every pitch lands, This seems 701 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 2: to me it's very much control over command, where it's 702 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 2: like the stuff is so good that he's just throwing 703 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 2: it into the zone because the guys probably can't hit 704 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 2: it and there's so many weapons that they're not really 705 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 2: gonna know what's coming. But it's not command where it's 706 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: like I'm picking a corner. I'm picking a corner, picking 707 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 2: a corner, picking a corner, I know exactly where it's going, 708 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 2: which maybe that is like the next step of development. 709 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: Maybe that's how he gets to the next level, because 710 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 2: maybe maybe he just shouldn't be afraid to walk a. 711 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: Few more guys. 712 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 2: It's kind of like where George cur he get stuck in, 713 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: or it's like to change Sports where Aaron Rodgers got 714 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 2: stuck in for a while, where it's like you have 715 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 2: to throw some interceptions to really take enough chances to 716 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 2: be good. 717 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: You have to do that. Can't maybe at FARV, but 718 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: you gotta. You gotta try and make a big play 719 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: every once in a while. 720 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 2: George Kurk has talked about this, where it's like he 721 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 2: just doesn't want to walk guys. Ever, Cliffly used to 722 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 2: do this too, where it's like, once in a while 723 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 2: you could throw some Waiste pitches and like see what 724 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 2: they do. Everyone wants to be like Creg Madx and 725 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 2: never waste a pitch get like eighty six pitch complete games. 726 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 2: But maybe maybe there's something in between this control and 727 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 2: command for Scott, or maybe that's just it. Maybe he 728 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 2: just is a control over command guy. Maybe not maybe 729 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 2: not ceiling down level. But it still looks like a 730 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 2: really good package for a major. 731 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: League star there totally, And we got to see some 732 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: other guys as well, Mike Vassel and would have loved 733 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: to seeing him on TV because we haven't seen a 734 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: whole ton of him, but like he looked good as well, 735 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: Like there's no real complaints from any of the stuff 736 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: that we saw. Hard to have like the true true 737 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: breakdown of exactly what they did again because of that 738 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: camera angle and because of what the availability was. But 739 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna see these guys again in spring, and it's 740 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: just all building on like very very good things that 741 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: we've already heard for about these guys totally, and. 742 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 2: Ax Sac guy is cool because can see how much 743 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 2: these pitchers are moving and Vassal it's like it's a 744 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: similar package right now the Scott. It seems like the 745 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 2: Mets have kind of molded these guys in a similar 746 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 2: way because he was also throwing a fastball a cover 747 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 2: or a gyro slider and a sweeper and how we 748 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 2: was talking about on the broadcast because he. 749 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: Actually talked about a story that made me quite upset. 750 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 2: I think I texted you about this that last year' 751 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 2: sweepers took over baseball and it was a whole big 752 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 2: thing sweeper, this sweeper that, and like, I think it 753 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 2: was kind of mischaracterized at first, but now I think 754 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: it's useful to distinguish them because sweepers and like these 755 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 2: little tight sliders are different. So the fact they were 756 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: in the same bucket, it's kind of hard to value 757 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 2: with any of them. But the hit a conversation with 758 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: the fore manager of the Mets buck Show, Walter, and 759 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 2: they were lamenting the fact about this sweeper revolution, not 760 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 2: wanting to call them sweepers. And that's like pretty endearing 761 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 2: from like, you know, the older announcer has been around 762 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 2: the game for a long time. That's not very endearing 763 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 2: from the guy in the dugout, especially when you have 764 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 2: a lot of guys in the system, top level stuff. 765 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 2: These guys are being taught these pitches, and then on 766 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 2: the field level stuff, this guy's ignoring their existence. That 767 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 2: made me really upset. 768 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: But what's a prospect? Yeah, what's a prospect? 769 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 2: Buck Show, Walter Baby with the Franciscal door. 770 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: Breaks his leg Buck Show Podcast. I don't think Jeff 771 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: McNeil's gonna hit well this year. Oops, I can't believe 772 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: he said that on this show. Is unbelievable. 773 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 2: But it's a similar package of Scott, I think, a 774 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 2: little less lively of an arm and he also comes 775 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 2: a little more over the top. Last year, Fast was 776 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 2: throwing a curveball through the miners. I thought that pitch 777 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: was doing well for him. But the sweeper, the news 778 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 2: sweeper looks really good, So maybe it's just they just 779 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 2: totally scraped the curveball for his sweeper sweeper grated. Well, 780 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: Fastball's fine, cothers fines. Just I think he's still good. 781 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 2: He's a good Oatmeally guy to have in your rotation, 782 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 2: but I don't think he has the upside of a 783 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 2: Scott right now. 784 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, And I think I think we all knew 785 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: that though, Like maybe maybe not all Mets fans, but 786 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: I think me and you have always been talking about 787 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: Vassal is like a major league starter, not a future 788 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: ace by any means. Yeah. 789 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 2: Again, we're not saying Scott's future ace, Like I think 790 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 2: him just settling into being good starter. 791 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: We're just telling you great is there for things to 792 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: happen here? 793 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: Like there totally, there's there's some excitement this could this, 794 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 2: like could something crazy could happen when Chrisian Scott. Something 795 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 2: crazy could not happen, but something crazy could happen definitely. 796 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: And then I think I feel like the last guy 797 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: talking about just Paul Gervais, massive human being throws weird, 798 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: throws hard. I love watching that guy throw. 799 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 2: He's just he has this weird release angle also like 800 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 2: very very side army. 801 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: Where but it's so low. It's weird. Yeah, low, but 802 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: it's not fully down there. 803 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 2: It's like and that I feel like that's cool for 804 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 2: the sinker because even though he's a big guy, he's 805 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: not throwing it and extending a lot. So the earlier 806 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 2: he releases that, the more time that sinker has just 807 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 2: bowling ball on these hitters. He's almost throwing these sinkers 808 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 2: and sliders in the exact same spot to both handedness, 809 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 2: just picking off these corners and one goes in and 810 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: one goes out, and it's just he's fun. 811 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: He's kind of cool. I like he's a reliever. He's 812 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: a reliever for those of course. 813 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's a fun one. He's an LSU guy too, sec. 814 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: SEC best best conference in the country. All right, on 815 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: the offensive side of things, now, because we did a 816 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: lot of pitching, let's talk a little bit about hitting. 817 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: I want to start off with Brett Baty having a 818 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: bit of a rough spring. Hasn't looked particularly great, but 819 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: he did get his first home run and he pulled 820 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: the shit out of it. One hundred and twelve miles 821 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: per hour. Big stuff. That's the stuff that you go, motherfucker, 822 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: there's Brett Bady. That's that's the guy we've been waiting for. 823 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: But then we have seen the rest of the yet 824 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: that's the spring, and it's been a lot of striking 825 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: out and lazy ground balls the second base. So it's like, 826 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: is that because he is consciously trying to now like 827 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: lift the ball, put the ball in the air, and 828 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: this is just a byproduct of like that transition that 829 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: he's trying to make or are we are we in 830 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: trouble here a little bit? Like I don't know, he 831 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: has talked about a lot in his media availability. 832 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 2: That's like, there's such a pure emphasis right now, pulling 833 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 2: these fly balls, like getting to that stuff, getting the 834 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: pitch out in front, not letting it travels much and 835 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 2: doing it so like maybe that is maybe there's just 836 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 2: too many things his head right now. I know him 837 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 2: and Chave has been working together a lot. I know 838 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 2: he did a little talk with Beltron two about hitting, 839 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 2: pulling fly balls and stuff. 840 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: But I see him get one. 841 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 2: He also hated all this guy Rothery Munos on the 842 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 2: Marlins stuff like kind of wild. He had like eight 843 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 2: swings and misses, like the twitch. Yeah, it wasn't throwing 844 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 2: super hard, but there was a lot of weird stuff 845 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:29,479 Speaker 2: going on. 846 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: He looked really nice. 847 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 2: Similar elk Fianto's also with a home run off of 848 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 2: Matthew Libertor, who's like right in the sweet spot for 849 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 2: the Mark Fieto's home run. Nice little soft stuff on 850 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 2: the outside and just smack it out there. 851 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a strong guy, Like we know, he has 852 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: the home run power and it's just about actually making 853 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: the contact with him and Librator, who is very much 854 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: a fringe major league pitcher. That's that's where Mark Ventos lives. 855 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: At four A level. He's gonna dominate those guys. For sure, 856 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:53,959 Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that. 857 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, And we're in the spot right now where that 858 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 2: someone has to differentiate themselves for their base and opening deyes. 859 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: I think Mendozi made a comment that like Brett, it's 860 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 2: like Brett spot to lose, but it's like it's not official, 861 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 2: and like Joey Wendell hasn't played the second spring training. 862 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 2: I don't know where Joey Wendell. 863 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: Is, but maybe it'd be nice time traveling. 864 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean nice if someone else can could mix 865 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 2: in there and maybe compete for this their base job. 866 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: But it's just there needs to be something. It needs 867 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 2: to be a clicked, it needs to be a step. 868 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 2: There's gotta be some movement here to make it to 869 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 2: make just you can't just walk. You can't just hit 870 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 2: one hundred and spring training after you hit one hundred 871 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 2: last year walking the opening day at your job. There 872 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 2: has to be something happening, like this is still a game, 873 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: that's still competition. 874 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: It has to be Yeah, one guy who has played 875 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: well that we started to see you get a little 876 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: more consistent time. Sorry, Warte is looking pretty good. He's 877 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: looking similar ish to where he has been before, Like 878 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: he's running well, made that sick throw in the outfield 879 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: that you told me about that we I saw him, 880 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, that was an absolute seed. 881 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: And that's the kind of stuff where we need Starling 882 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: Marte to be, like just be that that athletic, quick, 883 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: good outfielder getting being a menace on the base pass. 884 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: That's his value to the team. He can be like 885 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: impactful without a doubt. 886 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 2: Totally hit the ball one hundred ten miles an hour 887 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,719 Speaker 2: on Sunday. I think he hit one hundred and five 888 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: on Friday, So it's like he actually is getting the 889 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 2: hitting the ball hard. That was the big difference last 890 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 2: year when he was doing awful in the year before, 891 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 2: where if you're gonna hit the ball on the ground, 892 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 2: please hit it hard. 893 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: Like that's what we need from Starring Marte. 894 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: And also there's like this has been this kind of 895 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 2: back and forth between Carls Mendoza where it's whether or 896 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 2: not he's gonna hit top of the oilder or not. 897 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 2: And I really don't want him to. We've been talking 898 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 2: about that. I'd be so upset if he did. But 899 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 2: there's like every day spring training so far, one of 900 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 2: these things has happened every game they play, and that's 901 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 2: to play with the starters. Nimo's either hit leadoff, Lindor's 902 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 2: either hit two or Piete hit three. One of those 903 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 2: things been true every single training game. Stars have been 904 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 2: involved with the Mets. But with that, Martes said one, 905 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 2: Martesa two. But in the days, the other guys aren't there. 906 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 2: So I'm on such pins and needles for the first 907 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 2: lineup that all four of them are in, to see 908 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 2: how it lines up. I I would love the metsico 909 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 2: full heeled, like bullsh of the analytics, piss people off 910 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 2: his starling. 911 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,479 Speaker 1: Marte fourth, You've been waiting for that for years. 912 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 2: I think that would be so funny because I actually 913 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 2: think it. Also, there's a way this actually lines up 914 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 2: perfectly the line up because Nimo, Lindor, Alonzo, those three 915 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: are so good that should not be that should. 916 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: Not be changed. 917 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 2: The only way that should be changed if they switch 918 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 2: within them amongst the top. Maybe Lindor goes to one 919 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 2: and Nimo goes to two or something like. That's the 920 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 2: only way I could conceive that changing. But after that 921 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 2: the lineup is pure chaos. And like we love McNeil, 922 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 2: the concept of him being a top of the order, 923 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 2: but I just don't think that, and he's also hurt me. 924 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: I actually have not mentioned it at all. 925 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 2: He was shut down with a biceps train so I 926 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 2: really hope he's okay, guy, Jeff, but especially before you 927 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: go down there, if he's gonna be just stretching all day, 928 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 2: of course, I'll keep. 929 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: An eye out. I'll keep an eye out and on 930 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: the weekend. 931 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 2: But there's this idea that it's kind of like Nimo's 932 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 2: your best on bass guy, Lindora pe the your best 933 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: power guys, best gap to gap guys, and then Marte 934 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 2: is just this contact menace and like I can't I'd 935 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 2: like that behind Pete in a way like this sucks, 936 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,719 Speaker 2: like but I don't know if he does right now. 937 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: So this is where I disagree with you. This is 938 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: where like old school brain mark comes in. Is I 939 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: just I can't get my head around like the speed 940 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: guy hitting forth, like I know what you're doing, because 941 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: it's like if you go one, two, three, he's your 942 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: second lead off like theoretically, but also like most pictures 943 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: have a whip above one, which means someone's getting on 944 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: base every inning, and that means starling Marte is hitting fourth, 945 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: and I'm. 946 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: Like, in terms of this entire team, who's the next 947 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 2: you trust the most to get a hit with men 948 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 2: on bass or to put the ball in play. 949 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you make a good point there. 950 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 2: You make thing like if he if he actually does 951 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 2: settle back in it. 952 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: Like that, what, Well, I know who I know who 953 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: I want hitting forth the Alvarez, Francisco Alvarez or honestly, 954 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 1: if DJ Stewart swinging the bat, I'll hit DJ Stewart 955 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: forth to get that lefty in there. 956 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 2: But the only thing about Stuart the lefty thinking makes sense. 957 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 2: But that's Marte Martes ready. But like the thing with 958 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 2: Alvarez difference is like I still want him to grow 959 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 2: into that. I think they're still a way and grew 960 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 2: into that. He's also been active on social media. Guys, 961 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 2: we haven't seen it. He's posting duets with the Mets, 962 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 2: he's posting duets with the fellows, with Venezuela and baseball 963 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 2: like the trains leaving the station. He's becoming super star 964 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 2: in front of our eyes. But there's something to me 965 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 2: about this, like hyper contact in that four spot with 966 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 2: these three guys, these massive on bass guys ahead of them, 967 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 2: where I don't. I almost want less of the swing 968 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 2: and miss from Alvarez. We're also like Marteg just gets 969 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 2: that hit there, like now now we're active on the 970 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 2: base pass, Like now things are chappening, things are churning, 971 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 2: and you get more contact guys behind it, and then 972 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 2: you put Alvarez buying him more feast or famine, but 973 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 2: then you let Marte steel it back. I think the 974 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 2: Mets lineup is really strange. I hope it's gonna be weird. 975 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: I hope they won't fuck with. 976 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 2: This one two three of Nimmo Lindora Alonzo. I think 977 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 2: it could be perfect, but just because there's no obvious four, five, six, 978 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 2: seven in the lineup, so it winds it winds up 979 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 2: a little strange. 980 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: But well, there's there's no obvious four. I think you 981 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: can like all the other guys four, but then there's 982 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: no obvious three. Yeah, of course that's the problem. Man, 983 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: he can only be one of they. He can't hit 984 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: both that the obvious three hit. You hit Marte two 985 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: and Lindor hits three. Come on, I think I think 986 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: that would be a mistake. But I think there's a 987 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: chance that does happen. But I want to see that 988 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: first day these guys are on the line together that happens. 989 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: Because another thing that we've been talking about, we're at 990 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: thirty six minutes into nonsense right now, his peer Minutia. 991 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: We're talking about how much I was excited to see 992 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: who's gonna be the the backup center fielder on this team. 993 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: And we got a glimpse of that on Sunday where 994 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 1: who started the center field or it was ty Taylor. Yeah, 995 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: Tyrone Taylor started at center field and well Nimo started 996 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: then left. I think that's a huge key into how 997 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: this lineup could run in the season, that Nimo is 998 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: just the left fielder. Now, I gotta tell you, I'm 999 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: really like in Tyrone Taylor a lot like he is. 1000 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: He's a ballplayer, man, Like he had a he had 1001 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: a hit today against ERKEDI I think like in the 1002 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: second or third inning, right up the middle, and it 1003 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: was just like pitch, good contact, hard up the middle. 1004 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: It was a single. But I just like saw him like, fuck, 1005 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: that's good baseball. Like that's just like that's one of 1006 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: those things that like stack cast and w RC plus 1007 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: and like they can't account for because it's just a 1008 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: relatively like normal mediocre play that happened, but when you 1009 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: see it, like shit, that's so fucking pretty. Like just 1010 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: you you saw that ninety two mile per hour fastball, 1011 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: said fuck you one hundred and eighty feet up the middle, 1012 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: like I loved it. And again he just he does 1013 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: everything well. 1014 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,359 Speaker 2: The Mets have kind of lacked this kind of player 1015 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,240 Speaker 2: in the last few years, where it's like well rounded 1016 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 2: bench piece. He hits for power, it's for contact, he 1017 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 2: runs while, he plays good defense, he plays hard like 1018 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 2: he he's like a get off the bus kind of 1019 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 2: guy too, where it's like, yeah, I'm want to get 1020 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 2: off the bus with Tyrone Taylor on my sports don'tay? 1021 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 2: What's more them playing like I Tyrone Taylor could really mix 1022 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 2: it up in wreck basketball. I bet, I bet he 1023 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 2: could play some touch football and be a really good 1024 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 2: outside receiver, maybe even a quarterback. Like he's just an athlete. 1025 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,439 Speaker 2: This Mets team, again has lacked these kind of bench 1026 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 2: athletes last few years because we've been cycling between JD. 1027 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 2: Davis you could do one thing, Daniel Vogelack, who could 1028 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 2: do one thing, Brandon Mark Vanda is going to do 1029 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 2: one thing. 1030 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: I mean, is a good off the bus guy too. 1031 00:36:58,800 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: I have to give it to him. He's heasy. He's 1032 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: the post athlete. 1033 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, big guy like Tyrone Taylor can patrol the center field. 1034 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, I feel not that bad about We also 1035 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 2: haven't seen bather yet. I don't know what's going on here. 1036 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 2: Some bather so he'd injuries their soreness. I thought he 1037 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 2: played a little bit, didn't he. 1038 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: I don't think we seen him. Has he not played yet? 1039 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 1: Why do I thought? Why do I think he played 1040 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: a game? But I mean, like we're also learning with Nimo, 1041 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: like starting late. It has nothing to do with an injury. 1042 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: He was just simply like, I don't protestly on February 1043 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: twenty second. I learned that last year. It's not important 1044 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: and I'm cool with it. As long as Brandon Neimo 1045 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: is healthy, I don't give a shit what he does. 1046 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: That ball of the milla from Tyro Talot it was 1047 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: actually one O five. Okay, I smoked it. There we go, 1048 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,760 Speaker 1: even better? He hit it hard. 1049 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's all like good stuff. I mean, I again, 1050 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 2: it's good. It might for some fans this year might 1051 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 2: be a little hard to get excited, but if you 1052 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 2: if you love ball, like, this is a team that's 1053 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:41,919 Speaker 2: gonna be kind of hilarious and fun. 1054 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: It really is a baseball team right here, this is 1055 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,240 Speaker 1: this is a baseball team that's gonna be it's grinding. 1056 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: It's gonna be grinding. No, as the greatest coach in 1057 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: sports history has ever said, no days off with this 1058 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: Mets team. Just k try and just hit and play 1059 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: defense a little bit, pitch a little bit, kind of 1060 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: just piss. 1061 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 2: You off, the annoy you a little bit. And you 1062 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 2: said last night, I think that now we're going really off. 1063 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,879 Speaker 1: The routs and the shows well ended here, we'll ended here. 1064 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: I'd love for the Mets again to fight this year. 1065 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: The Mets need to get into three fights. Three fights. 1066 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: You gotta fight the braves. They they gotta throw a 1067 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: fist at the Braves this year. Have to. There's gotta 1068 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: be a fist thrown. 1069 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 2: It's funny, like we were kind of kidding and we 1070 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,800 Speaker 2: say this like we're being a little we're being a 1071 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 2: little bit of assholes. But if you remember the beginning 1072 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two season, the White Things really got rolling, 1073 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,439 Speaker 2: was some massive comebacks and then and then a huge fight. 1074 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,959 Speaker 1: Yes, Steve schk thrown out for instacle Indoor's face. 1075 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 2: It's just putting it like kind of I feel like 1076 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 2: the league and it's been open now the last few years. 1077 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 2: People love to target the Mets. People like to make 1078 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 2: fun of the Mets. People like to beat the Mets. 1079 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 2: People enjoy this. We have the richest owner in all 1080 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 2: of sports besides Bomber in La So it's like this 1081 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 2: is we have something of a target in our backs, 1082 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 2: and we put targets on our backs. There was a 1083 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 2: post went viral this week about the Mets opening up 1084 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 2: their dance team, and I think, I mean, as people 1085 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 2: who used to work for the team, we don't needymore 1086 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,359 Speaker 2: and those people work with the team. 1087 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: That's probably a bit of a one to one there 1088 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: in a way. 1089 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,399 Speaker 2: But there were the memes were fucking insane, and it's 1090 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 2: honestly a good idea. All the teams in Asia and 1091 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 2: Japan have the ease and they're like massive spectacles, and 1092 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 2: it's like, I think it's a fun things New York. 1093 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 2: It's urban like, it's it's a cool vibe to have 1094 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 2: dance team in the baseball team. 1095 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:06,879 Speaker 1: It's also cool. He done doing it for. 1096 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 2: New but just the way it's been being rolled out 1097 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,720 Speaker 2: right now, could probably use a late smoothing on the edges. 1098 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,919 Speaker 1: Yeah maybe maybe not for the eighty four win team, 1099 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: Like eighty four would be great. I we've been eighty four. 1100 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: I'm happy as out, I know, but I'm saying, like 1101 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: an eighty four win team, it's like, maybe we don't. 1102 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: Maybe we don't drop the dance team this year. Maybe 1103 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: maybe we wait for I don't know, if we pay 1104 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: Peede Alonzo and get Won Soto, maybe we go. Now 1105 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: we can get excited about this team. But all the 1106 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: comments on there was like, oh, this is we didn't 1107 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: Louise starting pitching. Nice. Now I'm happy about that. Oh, 1108 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: of course the dance team. The dancers are making two 1109 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five dollars a game, which we shout 1110 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: out to Alex for finding that online. We don't they're 1111 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: gonta paid two to seventy five a game for five hours, 1112 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: not getting paid for practice. That's why we can't sign 1113 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,399 Speaker 1: Jordan Montgomerys because yeah, a couple of hundred bucks, those 1114 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,720 Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars a year, it's really it's really cutting 1115 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: back on the twenty five mil Jordan Montgomery once no. 1116 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 1: Ending it with a little bit of baseball. 1117 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 2: Ryan Clifford had the hard hit ball in the Major 1118 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 2: League spring training games. Still twenty years, always gonna star 1119 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,839 Speaker 2: here in Double A. Don't forget the name Bank. We'll 1120 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 2: see you in Binghamton. 1121 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: Ryan. 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