WEBVTT - The Man Who Played With Hurricanes

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin Irving Langmuir stood in the control tower at the

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<v Speaker 1>airport at Schenectady, upstate New York. He was gazing intently

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<v Speaker 1>upwards uberinoculars a little single propeller aeroplane. Langmuir was in

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<v Speaker 1>his mid sixties, gray hair, brown glasses every inch, the

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<v Speaker 1>distinguished scientist. The year was nineteen forty six, a cold

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<v Speaker 1>and crisp November morning, barely above freezing, with an almost

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<v Speaker 1>completely clear blue sky. Almost there were some clouds fifty

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<v Speaker 1>miles away, and that's where the little plane was heading.

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<v Speaker 1>The plane had four seats. Two were occupied in one

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<v Speaker 1>sat the pilot in the other of inglang Muir's assistant,

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<v Speaker 1>a man called Vincent Schaeffer. He had with him a

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<v Speaker 1>cardboard box containing six pounds of crushed dry ice and

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<v Speaker 1>a motorized dispenser he'd rigged up back in the lab.

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<v Speaker 1>The little plane had taken forty minutes to climb to

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand feet, but the cloud that Vincent Schaefer wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to fly into was higher still.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we get to it? He asked.

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<v Speaker 1>The pilot pushed the plane upwards. At thirteen thousand feet,

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<v Speaker 1>they reached the cloud just a little higher Schaefer looked

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<v Speaker 1>at his thermometer minus seventeen point five degrees fahrenheit twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven point five degrees celsius. He fired up the dispenser

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<v Speaker 1>out into the cloud. When the first pound of dry ice,

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<v Speaker 1>the second, the third, then the dispenser jammed. Schaefer was

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<v Speaker 1>starting to feel dizzy. That's not surprising at fourteen thousand

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<v Speaker 1>feet in a plane that isn't pressurized. Forget the dispenser.

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<v Speaker 1>Shaeffer opened the plane's window and tipped out the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the dry ice from the cardboard box. Back in

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<v Speaker 1>the control tower, Irving Langmuir stared at the cloud into

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<v Speaker 1>which the little plane had disappeared.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it changing?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Within minutes, it began to shift and swirl, and then

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<v Speaker 1>out of the base of the cloud came just what

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<v Speaker 1>Langmuir had hoped to see, snow. There was no mistaking it.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't even need his binoculars. From fifty miles away.

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<v Speaker 1>You could see the streamers of snow with a naked

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<v Speaker 1>eye before the little plane had even landed. Irving Langmuir

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<v Speaker 1>was on the phone to a journalist. This is history,

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<v Speaker 1>Langmuir said, mankind has finally learned to control the weather.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course we hadn't. We just started to fool around

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<v Speaker 1>with it. I'm Tim Harford and you're listening to cautionary tales.

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<v Speaker 1>In the early nineteen hundreds, General Electric was one of

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<v Speaker 1>America's biggest companies. He'd like to invest in what would

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<v Speaker 1>nowadays call blue Skies research. When the young Irving Langmuir

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<v Speaker 1>left academia to start work at the company's campus since Schenectady,

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<v Speaker 1>he was given the usual welcome speech. Look around the lab, said,

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<v Speaker 1>Langmir's new boss. Work on any problem that interests you.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't bother with finding practical applications. Let me worry about that.

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<v Speaker 1>You just have fun. General Electric employed smart people and

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<v Speaker 1>let them do pretty much anything they liked. And Irving

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<v Speaker 1>Langmuir wasn't just smart, he was brilliant. He became the

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<v Speaker 1>first industrial chemist to win a Nobel Prize for discoveries

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<v Speaker 1>and investigations in surface chemistry. These discoveries did turn out

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<v Speaker 1>to have practical applications. Langmuir's work let General Electric corner

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<v Speaker 1>the market in gas filled incandescent light bulbs, not that

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<v Speaker 1>Langmuir cared much about that. He thirsted for knowledge, pure

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<v Speaker 1>and simple. Langmuir was the living stereotype of the absent

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<v Speaker 1>minded genius, famous for getting so deeply lost in.

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<v Speaker 2>Thought that he could be.

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<v Speaker 1>Oblivious to the world around him. There was the time

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<v Speaker 1>a woman fell down the stairs right in front of him.

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<v Speaker 1>As others rushed to help, Langmuir, in another world, didn't notice.

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<v Speaker 1>He stepped right over her and kept on walking. And

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<v Speaker 1>the time he forgot he was eating breakfast at home,

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<v Speaker 1>not in a restaurant, and left a tip for his

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<v Speaker 1>wife on the kitchen table. And the morning he turned

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<v Speaker 1>up at work without his car, it turned out he'd

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<v Speaker 1>been stuck in traffic, and he had simply left it

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the road and walked.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen forty six, Langmuir had a new obsession the weather.

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<v Speaker 1>During the war, he'd worked with the military to study

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<v Speaker 1>how ice forms on aircraft wings as they fly through clouds. Water,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, turns from liquid to solid when the temperature

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<v Speaker 1>drops below freezing point, except sometimes it doesn't. Clouds can

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<v Speaker 1>be in a state called super cool. The temperature drops

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<v Speaker 1>below freezing, but the tiny water droplets won't crystallize from

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<v Speaker 1>mist into ice unless something disturbs them. Langmuir and his

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<v Speaker 1>assistant Vincent Shaefer, both loved to ski. Their wartime work

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<v Speaker 1>made them look at the clouds above the hills on

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<v Speaker 1>a cold winter day and ask themselves, what if we

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<v Speaker 1>could make those super cooled clouds dispense snow on demand. Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>you could work on anything you liked at General Electric,

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<v Speaker 1>Langmuir and Shaefer decided to work on making snow. Shaefer

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<v Speaker 1>commandeered one of the chest freezers the company made. He

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<v Speaker 1>lined it with black velvet so he could see if

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<v Speaker 1>ice crystals were forming. Then he took a deep breath

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<v Speaker 1>and breathed slowly out into the freezer. His breath hung

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<v Speaker 1>there in a mist. Now he and Langmuir had their

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<v Speaker 1>very own own super cooled cloud right there in the lab.

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<v Speaker 2>What could they add to.

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<v Speaker 1>Their cloud that might make it form ice crystals? They

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<v Speaker 1>tried talcum powder, sulfur, magnesium oxide, no luck. Then one

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<v Speaker 1>summer day, the weather got so hot the freezer started

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<v Speaker 1>to struggle. Schaeffer needed to keep the temperature down, so

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<v Speaker 1>he got some dry ice. He dumped it back in

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<v Speaker 1>the freezer, and all at once, millions of tiny ice

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<v Speaker 1>crystals popped into being and settled on the black velvet lining.

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<v Speaker 2>It looked magical.

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<v Speaker 1>Vint and Schaeffer had made snow in the lab, could

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<v Speaker 1>he and langmure make it snow in the real world.

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<v Speaker 1>They waited impatiently for summer to turn to winter. They

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<v Speaker 1>rented a little four seater prop plane, and at last

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<v Speaker 1>a day arrived that was cold and clear, with distinct

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<v Speaker 1>clouds to aim for. Schennected in New York November the fourteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>scientists of the General Electric Company, flying in an airplane,

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<v Speaker 1>conducted experiments with a cloud and were successful in transforming

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<v Speaker 1>the cloud into snow. That's an announcement from General Electric.

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<v Speaker 1>It had its own in house news bureau to publicize

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<v Speaker 1>all the clever things its researchers did and help the

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<v Speaker 1>company's image. The press release stopped short of claiming that

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<v Speaker 1>mankind could now control the weather. For all his enthusiasm,

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<v Speaker 1>langmure knew they'd only done one experiment. Still, what promise.

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<v Speaker 1>It had shown a single.

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<v Speaker 3>Plane could generate hundreds of millions of tons of snow.

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<v Speaker 3>Thus a supply of moisture could be stored up for

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<v Speaker 3>the spring months to feed irrigation and water power projects.

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<v Speaker 3>Snow might also be produced at mountain resorts for the

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<v Speaker 3>benefit of skiers. The next month, December The little plane

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<v Speaker 3>went up again with a bigger load of ice, on

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<v Speaker 3>a day with more clouds in the sky. This time,

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<v Speaker 3>it didn't snow straight away, but once it started it

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<v Speaker 3>didn't stop. Across the Mont and upstate New York, the

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<v Speaker 3>snowstorm was epic. Dozens of cars crashed, businesses had to

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<v Speaker 3>shut up shop for a week. Langnuur was exultant. He

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<v Speaker 3>called his boss, the head of the research campus. We

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<v Speaker 3>did that, the boss said, don't tell any journalists. The

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<v Speaker 3>company's lawyers had started to think it might be unwise

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<v Speaker 3>for General Electric to go around claiming responsibility for the weather.

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<v Speaker 3>If they really had caused this snowstorm, that might not

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<v Speaker 3>be good for the company's image. With the people who

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<v Speaker 3>had crashed their cars or had to close their businesses,

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<v Speaker 3>they might decide to sue. The boss hatched a plan.

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<v Speaker 3>He called in the USA military. Would they be interested

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<v Speaker 3>in learning to control the weather?

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<v Speaker 1>They would. The boss told Langmuir that he wasn't to

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<v Speaker 1>meddle with clouds himself anymore. He could only advise the military.

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<v Speaker 1>They would conduct the experiments, and with any luck, they

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<v Speaker 1>would get the lawsuits if anything went wrong. Langmuir didn't

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<v Speaker 1>mind that at all. The military, after all, had bigger planes,

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<v Speaker 1>and Langmuir had big ambitions. He was already talking about

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<v Speaker 1>making deserts bloom and learning to control hurricanes. What would

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<v Speaker 1>happen if you dumped dry ice in a hurricane? He'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to find out. You couldn't try that in a

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<v Speaker 1>single engined, four seater prop plane, but you could in

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<v Speaker 1>a bomber. Langmuir and Shaefer theorized that the dry ice

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<v Speaker 1>might weaken a hurricane, but perhaps they shouldn't experiment on

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<v Speaker 1>one that would soon make landfall, just in case they

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<v Speaker 1>needed a storm that was heading away from anywhere it

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<v Speaker 1>could cause harm. In October nineteen forty seven, they got

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<v Speaker 1>their chance. Hurricane King had formed in the Caribbean. It

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<v Speaker 1>had clipped the western edge of Cuba and curved over

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<v Speaker 1>southern Florida, dumping vast amounts of rain. Now it was

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<v Speaker 1>drifting out into the Atlantic, further and further away from land.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an ideal test. From a military base near Tampa,

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<v Speaker 1>three bomber planes took off and flew towards the hurricane.

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<v Speaker 1>They were carrying one hundred and eighty pounds of dry ice,

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<v Speaker 1>a raft of scientific instruments to gather data and Vincent Schaeffer.

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<v Speaker 1>They found the storm three hundred and fifty miles out

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<v Speaker 1>to sea. They dumped the dry ice in it and

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<v Speaker 1>flew around for a while, taking photos and making observations.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing too dramatic seemed to happen. They headed back to base.

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as they'd turned their backs on Hurricane King.

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<v Speaker 1>It did something nobody had expected. Cautionary tales will be

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<v Speaker 1>back in a moment. In her book Under a White Sky,

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<v Speaker 1>the author Elizabeth Colbert describes her encounters with people who

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<v Speaker 1>work on geo engineering ideas to fix climate change, not

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<v Speaker 1>just by reducing our emissions, but by intervening in the

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<v Speaker 1>climate in some other way. Those ideas are controversial. The

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<v Speaker 1>phrase under a white sky comes from a field of

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<v Speaker 1>geoengineering called solar radiuation management, shielding the earth from sunshine

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<v Speaker 1>to keep it cooler, like closing the blinds on your

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<v Speaker 1>window on a summer's day. You could do that by

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<v Speaker 1>shooting reflective particles into the stratosphere. One possible side effect

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<v Speaker 1>is turning the sky white. Colbert talks with an academic

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<v Speaker 1>who researches this idea. He gets hate mail, he tells her,

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<v Speaker 1>even death threats. She also talks to a physicist who

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<v Speaker 1>founded the field of negative emissions, basically sucking carbon dioxide

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<v Speaker 1>out of the atmosphere. He came up with the idea

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<v Speaker 1>after asking a friend over a beer, why is nobody

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<v Speaker 1>doing these really crazy big things anymore. Colbert visits a

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<v Speaker 1>startup in Iceland that's putting the idea of negative emissions

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<v Speaker 1>into practice. Picture an air conditioning unit stark on a

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<v Speaker 1>shipping container. It sucks in air, uses a chemical process

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<v Speaker 1>to extract the carbon dioxide and inject it underground, where

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<v Speaker 1>it turns to rock. The graduate students who founded the

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<v Speaker 1>startup tell Colbert they faced a lot of opposition. People said, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't be doing that. Those people weren't particularly worried

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<v Speaker 1>that the Icelandic shipping containers would damage the planet directly.

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<v Speaker 1>They were worried the shipping containers would foster complacency. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't yet know how well these ideas will work. And

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<v Speaker 1>if the general public gets the impression that scientists are

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<v Speaker 1>going to figure out how to fixed climate change, they

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<v Speaker 1>might think, great, we don't need to worry about reducing emissions.

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<v Speaker 1>But the idea of geoengineering wasn't always so controversial. In

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen fifties, scientists in the Soviet Union had a

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<v Speaker 1>problem they wanted to solve. For northern latitudes are a

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<v Speaker 1>gigantic ice box. The icy breath of the Arctic is

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<v Speaker 1>felt for thousands of kilometers around. It causes the permafrost

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<v Speaker 1>over vast expanses of Soviet lands, the silent tundra, and

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<v Speaker 1>the unexpected cold blasts which are feared by Ukrainian horticulturalists.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm quoting from a book called man Versus Climate, published

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<v Speaker 1>in Moscow in nineteen sixty one. Co author was Nikolai Rusin,

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<v Speaker 1>an outstanding climatologist with over fifty scientific publications. The other

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<v Speaker 1>Leah Flitt, a journalist with good experience in the field

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<v Speaker 1>of popularization of science. The book's publisher was so keen

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<v Speaker 1>to popularize this particular science that they put out an

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<v Speaker 1>English translation. The reader may ask, what senses there in

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<v Speaker 1>attempting to change the climate. Would it not be better

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<v Speaker 1>to leave this to nature and wait and see?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course not. The arcticgeis is a great disadvantage.

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<v Speaker 1>So what did Flit and Rousin think we could do

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<v Speaker 1>about the Arctic ice? They outline several ideas being discussed

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<v Speaker 1>by Soviet climatologists, you might scatter ash or peat dust

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<v Speaker 1>that would make the ice less reflective. It would absorb

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<v Speaker 1>more heat and start to melt. Scientists estimate that eighty

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<v Speaker 1>to one hundred kilograms of dust or ash per hectare

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<v Speaker 1>of ice ought to do the job. Alternatively, you might

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<v Speaker 1>use potassium to create a high altitude dust ring, similar

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<v Speaker 1>to that in circling Saturn at the right angle. A

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<v Speaker 1>ring around the planet would direct more sunshine onto the

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<v Speaker 1>northern latitudes.

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<v Speaker 2>And warm them up.

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<v Speaker 1>It would admittedly make the equator cooler too. That that

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't cause any problems we couldn't solve. As Flit and

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<v Speaker 1>Rusin explained, the Africans would require warm dwellings and entirely

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<v Speaker 1>different clothes, shoes, etc. Flit and Rucin describe another proposal

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<v Speaker 1>for a fifty five mile dam across the Bearing Strait

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<v Speaker 1>between Siberia and Alaska. Such a dam would change the

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<v Speaker 1>direction of warming ocean currents the central heating pipelines of

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<v Speaker 1>our planet, point those pipelines towards the far North, and

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<v Speaker 1>in just three or four years, the Arctic would be

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<v Speaker 1>completely free from ice. Building a dam to Alaska would

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<v Speaker 1>need America's cooperation. Wouldn't that be unthinkable at the height

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<v Speaker 1>of the Cold War Not, according to then presidential candidate

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<v Speaker 1>John F. Kennedy. The idea of the dam, said Kennedy,

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<v Speaker 1>was certainly worth exploring. Flit and Rucin waxed lyrical about

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<v Speaker 1>the benefits. No more frost in Moscow orchards blew in

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<v Speaker 1>Alaska and northern Canada. All this is splendid, But is

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<v Speaker 1>it really possible technically?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Nowadays we often see in the news that Arctic ice

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<v Speaker 1>is melting and perma frost is disappearing, and we tend

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<v Speaker 1>not to think of that news as splendid. We worry now,

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<v Speaker 1>not about the cold but global warming. You might assume

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<v Speaker 1>that Leah Flitt and Nikolai Rusin hadn't heard of global warming.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd be wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>The book mentions the greenhouse effect, although the term is

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<v Speaker 1>new enough that the translator puts it in scare quotes.

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<v Speaker 1>Flit and Rousin site figures on carbon dioxide emissions that

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<v Speaker 1>suggest that the mean temperature of the Earth's atmosphere will

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<v Speaker 1>rise four to five degrees in less than fifty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Four to five degrees centigrade in fifty years. That's nearly

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<v Speaker 1>ten degrees fahrenheit. Thankfully it hasn't happen that fast, not yet.

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<v Speaker 1>But what fascinates me is the lesson the author's draw.

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<v Speaker 1>The prospect of global warming doesn't scare them as it

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<v Speaker 1>scares us.

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<v Speaker 2>Quite the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>They see it as encouraging evidence that man can modify

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<v Speaker 1>and hence control the climate. If we can affect temperature

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<v Speaker 1>so much as a mere byproduct of our everyday routines,

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<v Speaker 1>just imagine what we might achieve if we actively put.

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<v Speaker 2>Our minds to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Presently available power, resources and technological possibilities permit us to

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<v Speaker 1>remake the climate of entire regions.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Just as today we plan the construction of new cities,

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<v Speaker 1>so in the future we shall have to plan improvements

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<v Speaker 1>in the climate the things people used to believe. It's

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<v Speaker 1>easy to mock them, but it also makes me uncomfortable,

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<v Speaker 1>because we don't generally mock people for a sincerely held

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<v Speaker 1>belief in the capacity of human ingenuity to make life better,

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<v Speaker 1>especially not people who've proved their scientific chops, like Nikolai

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<v Speaker 1>Rusin with his fifty publications or Irving Langmuir with his

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<v Speaker 1>Nobel prize. The authors of Man versus Climate share Langmuir's

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<v Speaker 1>fascination with clouds, and not just with how to make

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<v Speaker 1>them snow, but also how to make them disappear. Many

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<v Speaker 1>regions of the Soviet Union are deprived of sunlight for

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<v Speaker 1>several months. By destroying such cloud cover, man could substantially

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<v Speaker 1>improve climatic conditions.

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<v Speaker 2>Crops would ripen more quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>When you eat man versus climate, there's no tone of

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<v Speaker 1>self awareness, no sense of I know this sounds crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>but hear me out. Instead, there's just a sense of calm,

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<v Speaker 1>measured optimism. Clouds, fog, thunderstorms, and hailstorms cannot be controlled

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<v Speaker 1>in the same way, say hand or engine driven machinery,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet man will eventually learn how to control, or

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<v Speaker 1>rather influence them in the desired manner. Man will eventually

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<v Speaker 1>learn to influence the weather and plan improvements in the climate.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody now thinks we can do any of that. Why

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<v Speaker 1>did we lose that sense of ambition, that touching faith

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<v Speaker 1>in the power of human ingenuity, or as the physicists

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<v Speaker 1>who came up with negative emissions puts it, why is

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<v Speaker 1>nobody doing these really crazy big things anymore? The day

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<v Speaker 1>after he had dumped dry ice on Hurricane King in

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<v Speaker 1>a US Air Force bomber Vincent Schafer flew home from

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<v Speaker 1>Florida to New York. He had planned to use the

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<v Speaker 1>time on the plane to write up his notes, but

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<v Speaker 1>in the sky high above Georgia, Vincent Shaffer's plane began

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<v Speaker 1>to jutterer, and soon it was lurching violently. This was

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<v Speaker 1>the worst turbulence Schaefer had ever experienced, and he couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>write a word. He put down his pen and his

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<v Speaker 1>notebook and clung the arm rests of his seat. Later

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<v Speaker 1>he found out what had been flying through Hurricane King.

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<v Speaker 1>What was it doing in Georgia It should have been

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of miles away, heading further out into the Atlantic.

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<v Speaker 1>The storm had done something completely.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of the blue.

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<v Speaker 1>It had abruptly turned back towards land, and far from weakening,

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<v Speaker 1>it had picked up strength again. Hurricane King battered the

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<v Speaker 1>coastline around Savannah with one hundred mile an hour winds.

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<v Speaker 1>It caused twelve foot storm surges. A falling tree killed

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<v Speaker 1>a man. The storm destroyed crops and damaged hundreds of buildings,

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<v Speaker 1>damage that cost millions of dollars to repair. Irving Langmuir

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<v Speaker 1>was thrilled.

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<v Speaker 2>We did that.

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<v Speaker 1>The lawyers at ge were having conniptions again, but the

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<v Speaker 1>dry ice had redirected the storm accidentally. Langmuir was sure

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<v Speaker 1>of it, and he was also sure that meant they

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<v Speaker 1>could learn to do it deliberately, to direct storms exactly

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<v Speaker 1>where they wanted them to go. Langmuir gave an interview

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<v Speaker 1>to Fortune magazine.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a.

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<v Speaker 1>Reasonable probability, he told them that in one or two years,

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<v Speaker 1>man will be able to abolish most damage effects from hurricanes.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course we didn't cautionary tales will return. At General

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<v Speaker 1>Electric's research campus Irving, Langmuir acquired another assistant, Bernard Vonnegut,

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<v Speaker 1>brother of the novelist Kurt, who also worked for a

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<v Speaker 1>while in the company's news bureau. Their time in Schonnectady

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<v Speaker 1>is described in Ginger Strand's book The Brothers Vonnegut. Like

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<v Speaker 1>all the smart scientists General Electric employed, Bernard was told

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<v Speaker 1>look around the lab and work on anything that takes

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<v Speaker 1>your interest. Bernard was interested in Vincent Schaeffer's freezer, lined

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<v Speaker 1>with black velvet and containing a super cooled cloud of breath.

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<v Speaker 1>Schaefer had discovered that pellets of dry ice made the

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<v Speaker 1>cloud in the freezer form. Snow, what else might Bernard thought?

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<v Speaker 1>A rapid expansion of compressed air might do the trick.

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<v Speaker 1>He went to a toy store and bought a children's

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<v Speaker 1>pop gun for seventy five cents. He lowered it into

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<v Speaker 1>the freezer, pulled the trigger, and it worked. Millions of

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<v Speaker 1>ice crystals popped into being something else made snow in

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<v Speaker 1>the freezer too.

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<v Speaker 2>Silver iodied.

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<v Speaker 1>One sub zero winter night, as Bernard drove home from work,

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<v Speaker 1>it occurred to him that the moisture in the air

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<v Speaker 1>must be super cooled. What would silver iodide do to that?

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<v Speaker 1>He got home, stuffed some newspaper and silver iodied into

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<v Speaker 1>an oil burner and carried it around. Before long, he

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<v Speaker 1>got a call from his next door neighbor, a colleague

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<v Speaker 1>from work.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you falling around?

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<v Speaker 2>Said the neighbor. Why, it's a lovely clear evening.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't see your house.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was me, replied Bernard. I made the fog.

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<v Speaker 1>In summer nineteen forty nine, Irving Langmuir, Vincent Shaefer, and

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<v Speaker 1>Bernard Vonnegut set up camp in New Mexico with their

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<v Speaker 1>team from the military. Langmuir had dreamed of making Desert's bloom.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted to see if dry ice could conjure rain

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<v Speaker 1>from an arid sky. Bernard had brought along a silver

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<v Speaker 1>iod eyed smoke generator had made in the lab. He

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<v Speaker 1>told Langmuir he was going to set it going. Langmuir

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<v Speaker 1>didn't seem to hear him. He was lost in thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Again.

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<v Speaker 1>At six am, Bernard got up and started the smoke generator.

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<v Speaker 1>He sent up balloons to check which way the wind

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<v Speaker 1>was carrying the silver iod eyed smoke towards the mountains.

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<v Speaker 1>By lunchtime, clouds were building near the mountains, and was

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<v Speaker 1>that thunder It was nearly time for Vincent Shafer to

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<v Speaker 1>take off with dry Ice in a B seventeen bomber,

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<v Speaker 1>so Bernard turned the smoke machine off. When Shaeffer got

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<v Speaker 1>to the clouds, he was surprised to find they were

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<v Speaker 1>already raining. It rained, and it rained. That night, Bernard

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<v Speaker 1>again told Langmuir that he had been running the silver

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<v Speaker 1>iodide generator. This time Langmuir heard and he was stunned.

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<v Speaker 1>This was even better than dry ice. Bernard Vonnegut had

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<v Speaker 1>made a thunderstorm. Why do we no longer aspire to

0:27:48.890 --> 0:27:54.290
<v Speaker 1>influence the weather? There's an obvious answer, Despite what Irving

0:27:54.370 --> 0:27:59.090
<v Speaker 1>Langmuir thought, We've learned we can't. But that's not quite right,

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<v Speaker 1>because people still do seed clouds to day with dry

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<v Speaker 1>ice and silver iod eyed and there's no scientific consensus

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<v Speaker 1>on whether or not those people are wasting time. Some

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<v Speaker 1>say cloud seeding doesn't work, others insist that it does

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<v Speaker 1>to some extent in some conditions. I think that lack

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<v Speaker 1>of agreement after three quarters of a century tells us

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<v Speaker 1>there's a deeper problem. This sort of thing is hard

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<v Speaker 1>to test. You can't run controlled experiments on the weather

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<v Speaker 1>or the climate. Every time Irving Langmure picked up the

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<v Speaker 1>phone to a journalist, the US Weather Bureau grew more

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<v Speaker 1>and more exasperated. Their post bag bulged with angry letters.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are you merely trying to predict the weather? Why

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<v Speaker 1>don't you do something about it? The Weather Bureau tried

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<v Speaker 1>to make Langmure see that he couldn't make claims on

0:28:54.610 --> 0:28:58.890
<v Speaker 1>one off events. Would that thunderstorm in New Mexico really

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<v Speaker 1>not have happened without Bernard Vonnegut's silver iod eyde. What

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<v Speaker 1>about that huge New York snowstorm? Who could say for sure,

0:29:07.490 --> 0:29:13.210
<v Speaker 1>not the Weather Bureau. As for Hurricane King, nobody had

0:29:13.210 --> 0:29:16.690
<v Speaker 1>predicted that sharp turn back to land, but that didn't

0:29:16.730 --> 0:29:20.970
<v Speaker 1>mean Vincent Schaefer had caused it where the historians combed

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<v Speaker 1>through the records and found that something similar had happened

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<v Speaker 1>once before, in nineteen oh six. To find out if

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<v Speaker 1>dry ice really could affect hurricanes, we'd need hundreds of

0:29:32.610 --> 0:29:37.770
<v Speaker 1>storms to experiment on. But hurricanes are unique and thankfully

0:29:37.810 --> 0:29:40.970
<v Speaker 1>not common enough to provide a big enough sample size

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<v Speaker 1>for experiments. Statistical analysis, said the Weather Bureau was the

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<v Speaker 1>only way to prove an effect. Ginger Strand describes how

0:29:52.050 --> 0:29:56.410
<v Speaker 1>Langmuir took up the challenge. He devised an experiment. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>run Bernard's silver iodide smoke generator on some days but

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<v Speaker 1>not others, on a regular weekly pattern. Would the rainfall

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<v Speaker 1>also change on a regular weekly pattern. It did, but

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<v Speaker 1>the Weather Bureau combed through their records and pointed out

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<v Speaker 1>similar weekly patterns that had happened before. It might just

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<v Speaker 1>be another coincidence. Irving Langmuir came up with new ideas

0:30:22.930 --> 0:30:26.330
<v Speaker 1>to get statistical proof that he could make rain, but

0:30:26.410 --> 0:30:28.610
<v Speaker 1>he discovered another problem.

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<v Speaker 2>His penchant for publicity had inspired others.

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<v Speaker 1>Freelance rain makers were popping up everywhere, employed by farmers

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<v Speaker 1>to water their fields or municipal governments to fill their reservoirs.

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<v Speaker 1>Langmuir couldn't know if his own experiments were being affected

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<v Speaker 1>by the people he had inspired, and these burgeoning attempts

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<v Speaker 1>to change the weather led to lawsuits, just as General

0:30:53.890 --> 0:30:58.770
<v Speaker 1>Electrics lawyers and foreseene. After New York City employed a

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<v Speaker 1>rain maker, a huge storm caused a flood upstate.

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<v Speaker 2>The city faced over.

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<v Speaker 1>A hundred claims for damages. In the early nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>General Electric decided to pull the plug on Irving Langmuir's

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<v Speaker 1>weather research. It was too much hassle. Langmuir retired from

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<v Speaker 1>the company and went to work as a consultant for

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<v Speaker 1>the army. They persevered for years trying to turn weather

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<v Speaker 1>into a weapon. In nineteen fifty seven, Langmuir died, still

0:31:35.610 --> 0:31:39.650
<v Speaker 1>convinced that human mastery of the weather was just around

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<v Speaker 1>the corner. In nineteen sixty three, Bernard Vonnegut's brother Kurt

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<v Speaker 1>published a novel called Cat's Cradle. It features an absent

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<v Speaker 1>minded genius of a scientist, a man who gets so

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<v Speaker 1>lost in thought he abandons his car in a traffic

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<v Speaker 1>jam and leaves tips for his wife on the breakfast table.

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<v Speaker 1>In the novel, someone asks the scientist if it's conceivable

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<v Speaker 1>for there to be a kind of ice crystal that

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<v Speaker 1>would turn water solid at room temperature. The scientist discovers

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<v Speaker 1>that such a crystal could exist in theory, then he

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<v Speaker 1>makes it in the lab. When a crystal of ice

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<v Speaker 1>nine is accidentally dropped in the sea, it turns all

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<v Speaker 1>the planet's water solid, which wipes out life on Earth.

0:32:41.490 --> 0:32:46.610
<v Speaker 1>Kurt Vonagut later explained why Irving Langmure had inspired his

0:32:46.690 --> 0:32:53.250
<v Speaker 1>fictional genius. Langmuir, he said, was absolutely indifferent to the

0:32:53.370 --> 0:32:56.010
<v Speaker 1>uses that might be made of the truths he dug

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<v Speaker 1>out of the rock and handed out to whomever was around.

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<v Speaker 1>Any truth he found was beautiful in its own right,

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<v Speaker 1>and he didn't give a damn who got it next.

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<v Speaker 1>The moral of Kurt Vonigut's novel is that some scientific

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge shouldn't be pursued. And I think that's a big

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<v Speaker 1>part of the answer to the question why is nobody

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<v Speaker 1>doing these crazy, big things anymore? It ONTs seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>part of our human destiny to learn to control the

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<v Speaker 1>weather and remake the climate. As the decades went by,

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<v Speaker 1>more people began to think, if we try, we're bound

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<v Speaker 1>to screw things up. The sense that some knowledge shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be pursued, explains the hate mail for the academic who

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<v Speaker 1>studies solar radiation management. These ideas are hard to test,

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<v Speaker 1>so we can't be sure of the risks unless someone

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<v Speaker 1>does it for real, and the more academics debate the theory,

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<v Speaker 1>the more tempted someone will be to give it a go.

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<v Speaker 1>But attitudes to geoengineering are starting to change again. The

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<v Speaker 1>idea of negative emissions has already become heart of the mainstream.

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<v Speaker 1>When the graduate students in Iceland set up their shipping

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<v Speaker 1>containers to suck carbon out of the atmosphere, people said, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't be doing that. The critics thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge that shouldn't be pursued. Now we rely on that

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge being found. When climate experts say there's still hope

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid runaway warming, they're assuming we can make negative

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<v Speaker 1>emissions technology work on a big enough scale at a

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<v Speaker 1>low enough cost. That's still far from certain. And what

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<v Speaker 1>about the more outlandish schemes like reflective particles in the stratosphere?

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<v Speaker 1>Will they become mainstream too? Researchers in Germany recently asked

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<v Speaker 1>climate engineering experts how other scientists saw their field compared

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<v Speaker 1>to just a few years ago. They said others had

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<v Speaker 1>become much more open to their research. But that's not

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<v Speaker 1>because the other scientists find geoengineering schemes any less disastrously

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<v Speaker 1>risky than they did before. It's because they know we've

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<v Speaker 1>wasted our best chance to stop climate change by acting

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<v Speaker 1>more quickly on reducing emissions. So much future warming is

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<v Speaker 1>now locked in the temptation to try some ambitiously large

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<v Speaker 1>scale geoengineering projects might become irresistible. Perhaps it now makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense to pursue the knowledge in the hope that we

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<v Speaker 1>can minimize the risks. It's poignant to look back on

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen forties and nineteen fifties, when scientists like Irving

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<v Speaker 1>Langmuir and Nikolai Rusin dreamed of remaking the climate. They

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<v Speaker 1>had a touching faith in human ingenuity. But we now

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<v Speaker 1>know that it's a far more complex challenge than Langmuir

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<v Speaker 1>or Rusin imagined. And yet we've left it so late

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<v Speaker 1>that all that remains are a set of bad options.

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<v Speaker 1>So if we try to remake the climate, we'll have

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<v Speaker 1>a different motive. It won't be aspiration but desperation. I

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<v Speaker 1>very much enjoyed Ginger Strand's book The Brothers Vonnegut while

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<v Speaker 1>researching this episode. For a full list of our sources,

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<v Speaker 1>please see the show notes at Timharford dot com. Cautionary

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<v Speaker 1>Tales is written by me Tim Harford with Andrew Wright.

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