1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: It's it's. 2 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 2: So so. 3 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: Sipo so. 4 00:01:49,360 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 3: Says such, let's since. 5 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 4: Let's see us. 6 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: Many us. 7 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 4: So it's. 8 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: So, it's. 9 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 5: Christmas Eve special here in the war room, it's Thursday, Wednesday, 10 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 5: twenty fourth December. Year for twenty twenty five, we're gonna 11 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 5: go live to Bethlehem. Jason Jones, Jason, could you ask 12 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 5: the Father. I'd like that what was Bethel him like 13 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 5: at the time of the birth of Christ? And how's 14 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 5: it developed over time? I mean, these stunning images we 15 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 5: have of people starting to gather and getting ready for 16 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 5: the midnight Mass and the and the you know, celebration 17 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 5: of Christ's birth. 18 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 6: You've got a mosque there. Can you just walk us back? 19 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 5: What was it if you guys were there, you know 20 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 5: what two thousand and twenty five years ago, what would 21 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 5: it be like? And what's the evolution of it over time? 22 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 6: Jason Jones. The floor's yours. 23 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 7: To enrich the experience. Know, we now have the muzzlim 24 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 7: papper prayer for you is background you think for this question. 25 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 7: So Father Steve Bannon asked, you've been here for two 26 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 7: thousand years. By the way, Steve, when he said that 27 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 7: they were the first church, I challenged him with an 28 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 7: arm wrestling match. Didn't realize he was actually the parish 29 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 7: priest for the Church of the Nativity. So I've just 30 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,239 Speaker 7: added a lot of time to purgatory. But Steve wants 31 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 7: to know what was the community like here two thousand 32 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 7: years ago when the Holy Family? 33 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 8: What's over our left shoulder? 34 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 7: My left shoulder, you're right shoulder. 35 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 5: Okay, we're having a little bit of technical problem there. 36 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 5: As you can imagine, there's a lot of pull on 37 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 5: the on the internet. There that beautiful shot. We're on 38 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 5: a roof overlooking Major Square, and of course we've got 39 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 5: the priest, one of the priests that are the priest 40 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 5: Orthodox priest UH for the Church and the Nativity. 41 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 6: As soon as we get the shot reset, we're gonna 42 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 6: go back to it. Let's go to UH, Let's go. 43 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 5: To the Vatican and UH and our own Ben harnwell 44 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 5: Uh Ben it always you know, we do the UH 45 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 5: our Christmas season specials and we have this beautiful music, 46 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 5: you have the beful images. Somehow, I think a lot 47 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 5: of that gets lost UH during the during the year 48 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 5: that people don't understan you know, understand the beautiful art 49 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 5: and architecture and music and of course that's not to 50 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 5: the religious spirit of things, but it's driven that creative 51 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 5: spirit is driven by the religious spirit. 52 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 8: Ben Harnwell, that's right, Stephen. 53 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 9: In fact, I could follow off your earlier question about 54 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 9: how the difference of Christmas is approached in terms of 55 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 9: atmosphere and culture between Rome and then London and Paris, 56 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 9: and that's really the point of it. I think there 57 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 9: is still a residue left in it. It's a residue, 58 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 9: but it's still left like Christmas is fundamentally a religious festival, 59 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 9: whereas in England it's it's it's wholly a sentimental thing, 60 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 9: a cultural stroke, sentimental thing. 61 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: Uh uh. 62 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 9: There's no focus on Jesus Christ, there's no focus on 63 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 9: his native it, there's no focus on the hope and 64 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 9: joy that christ Birth brings to the world. It's it's 65 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 9: just a purely pagan festival of indulgence in the UK. 66 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 9: And one of the reasons, you know, one of the 67 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 9: reasons is that's because of the absolute implosion of the 68 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 9: Church of England, the Anglican Communion, the head of the 69 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 9: lead Church of the Anglican Communion. Over the last century, 70 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 9: it's been it's been secularized internally and now is acting 71 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 9: as a secularizing force across Why the British society don't 72 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 9: forget that in the NIKE, the United States, in England, 73 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 9: we do have an established church. You have bishops that automatically, 74 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 9: by virtue of being bishops of certain dioceses, have seats 75 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 9: in the legislature in the House of Lords. Automatically, that is, 76 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 9: having an established church is and it's been a secularizing force. 77 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 10: That is why Ste many of us, me you, many 78 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 10: of us. 79 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 9: Are trying our best from the platform that the Holy 80 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 9: Spirit has given us to stop the Catholic Church walking 81 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 9: in the same secularizing direction because we don't want sort 82 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 9: of Italy, for example, to follow the UK, France. 83 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 10: Belgium, the Netherlands. 84 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 9: You know, you list the Uropean countries where the overwhelming 85 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 9: religious presence in those countries is Islam. 86 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 10: That's that's the supernatural force. 87 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 9: That is followed in those countries, and Christianity is sideline. Now, 88 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 9: if you come back to later on this, because I 89 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 9: know we're going to talk about the influence that Leo 90 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 9: the fourteenth is having on the church especially compared. 91 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 6: But before we go there, but before we hang on, 92 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 6: before we go there. 93 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 5: So much of the beautiful music that we're going to 94 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 5: play today and I've played in play. 95 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 6: Over tomorrow Tomorrow. 96 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 5: We always do the War, always does the combat history 97 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 5: of Christmas to show you American patriots and American heroes 98 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 5: that actually were in horrific wars from the Revolutionary War, 99 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 5: the Civil War, World War two, Korea. So much of 100 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 5: the traditions we have in the United States really come 101 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 5: from Victorian England. And if you look at Victorian England, 102 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 5: I would argue that leading up to World War One 103 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 5: where it all kind of got destroyed in the trenches 104 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 5: of the Western Front, but kind of that Victorian muscular 105 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 5: Christianity of the Church of England as far as missionary 106 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 5: work goes, because they had a mission and a purpose 107 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 5: for evangelization throughout the world. How did we go from 108 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 5: a Victorian church that gave us many of the customs 109 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 5: and traditions of the religious nature, but also what we 110 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 5: think of a historical Christmas, not non religious nature of Christmas. 111 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 5: How did we go from that basically in the late 112 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 5: nineteenth century to modern UK today with the Church. 113 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 6: Of England being completely secularized. 114 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 5: In fact, every day I get up when I read 115 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 5: when I go and do my religious news, one after 116 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 5: the other, more bizarre news comes from the Church of England. 117 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 6: How did that happen? 118 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 9: In question, Steve, But I would answer it by saying, 119 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 9: if you showed the Church of England in eighteen hundreds 120 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 9: to the Protestant martyrs of the Reformation, they would be 121 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 9: horrified because they would say, this is not a Christian 122 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 9: church whatsoever. The thing is, the reason why your Christian 123 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 9: has sense has moral force is because where we are 124 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 9: today compared to the Victorian eras even more. 125 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 10: Of a collapse. I would say that eighteen hundred England, Steve, 126 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 10: was already well on the way. 127 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,599 Speaker 9: You had a sense of piety and Christian morality. 128 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 10: But here's the point. 129 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 9: You can't nourish that if the supernatural faith, and it's 130 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 9: the foundation for that morality disappears. So this is fundamentally 131 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 9: that I would suggest a problem with the Enlightenment itself 132 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 9: is that it tried to arrive at the same moral 133 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 9: foundation that Christianity provided, but without the supernatural framework for it. 134 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 10: It was a false attempt, I think, to. 135 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 9: Arrive at morality using reason alone, and it doesn't work. 136 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,599 Speaker 9: But that's why God fundamentally ultimate arbiter as he should be. 137 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 9: And the reason why, you know when when was it? 138 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 9: When died it Manley Hopkins who referred to the receding 139 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 9: rule the tide going out, And that's the sense of 140 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 9: religious faith in England. 141 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 10: That was the Victorian here right. 142 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 9: The issue is is since since like for four hundred 143 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 9: and five, since the Reformation, really the sense of super 144 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 9: and the supernatural origin of Christianity has been like a 145 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 9: spring winding down. And what we see today is when 146 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 9: the spring is totally totally expanded, that has nothing left 147 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 9: to give. 148 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 10: If you want to return to a. 149 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 9: Sense Christian morality then and that's not a sense of 150 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 9: just that's not a s I'm not talking to judgmentalism. 151 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 9: I'm talking about the morality that arises out of Christian ethics. 152 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 9: You need to have, you need to nurture the supernatural 153 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 9: belief that Jesus Christ is God who was born in 154 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 9: Kline for the salvation of man at the bottom of it, 155 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 9: because if you don't have that, then Christian sentiment, in 156 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 9: Christian morality isn't worth anything. 157 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 10: And that's what you see today. 158 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 9: We're no longer a post Christian West, we're pre Islamic West, 159 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 9: and that's what we're trying to stop. 160 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 8: Out. 161 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 6: Hang on to that, Ben, We're going to come back 162 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 6: to you at the Vatican. Powerful folks. 163 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 5: This is the reason we're doing this event down in 164 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 5: nine January. We'll have more details about nine January in Texas. 165 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 5: Ben Harnwell, it's not people are worried or complaining that 166 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 5: we're in a post Christian era. 167 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 6: He's saying, no, no, no, no, you've missed the point. 168 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 6: We're well beyond post Christian in Europe and Western Europe. 169 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 5: You're pre Islamic as being the foundational element of that civilization. 170 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 5: Ben Harnwell's at the Vatican. Jason Jones, we're going to 171 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 5: try to get a technical issue there at Bethlehem. He's 172 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 5: got some amazing guests. We're gonna get to all of it. 173 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 5: We got music of the season and some amazing photography 174 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 5: both of the Vatican and at St. 175 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 6: Peter Square and at Major Square. Short commercial break. We're 176 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 6: going to be back in the warm in just a moment. 177 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 4: Stops s S S S songs. 178 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: So s. 179 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 4: S. 180 00:14:54,440 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 6: It's welcome back to our coverage. 181 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 5: I think we figured out our technical issue in Bethlehemmer 182 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 5: and go to Jason Jones, Jason, here's I think what 183 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 5: the audio would like to know is uh, Since our 184 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 5: guest is uh the priest that's head of the Church 185 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 5: of the Nativity, can you walk us through, uh, what 186 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 5: Bethlehem was like at the time of the birth of Christ, 187 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 5: when a very pregnant Mary showed up with with Joseph 188 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 5: looking for a place to stay, and the evolution of 189 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 5: it as we see day. You've got a square with 190 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 5: pilgrims and tourists coming to witness this tonight. You've also 191 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 5: got a mosque in the church and Nativity, all of it. 192 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 5: So just take your time and walk us through. 193 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 8: This, all right, thank you, Steve. 194 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 7: So, Father Isa, Steve would like to know, and the 195 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 7: audience would like to know, what was it like when 196 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 7: the Holy Family, when the Blessed Mother and Joseph walked 197 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 7: down that. 198 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 8: Little road and found no room at the inn? What 199 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 8: was Bethlehem like then? 200 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 7: And how did it evolve into what it is today 201 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 7: with the pilgrims, the church, the mosque over my shoulder. 202 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 8: So it's the history of the living stones of the Church. 203 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 11: Right exactly. So when Mary and Joseph came from Nazareth 204 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 11: to Bethlehem, it was an old house. It's actually it 205 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 11: was burley places that you can see like houses, small houses, 206 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 11: and it's not actually you can live in it. So 207 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 11: they found no place to give birth in it. So 208 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 11: they found just in a place which is uh stable 209 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 11: for animals, and that's why they went inside there. But 210 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 11: it has a reason for that, so as to to 211 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 11: God born in a place with for like to be 212 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 11: as with the poverty people, and to simplicity, to live 213 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 11: with simplicity. 214 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 8: And that's why the door of the Church. 215 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 11: Of Nativity is called humble door. So when we bow inside, 216 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 11: as to go inside for the place. For the King 217 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 11: of the Kings was born in a place like in 218 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 11: a stable of animals, and. 219 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 8: So all the other religions they were pharaohs in emperors, 220 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 8: these he could he could born in. Here's the count 221 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 8: of Kings born in a stable exactly. 222 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 11: And that's the meaning of that. It's just to live 223 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 11: as simplicity as it is to live with love and peace, 224 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 11: because from nothing that we can be something. So it's 225 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 11: in the Bible says and you Batline would not be small. 226 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 11: So and Batline is a small town. And now we 227 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 11: can see it. Actually all the eyes of all of 228 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 11: the world looks in this small city of Bethlehem, and 229 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 11: that's that's what Jesus was born as to give this 230 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 11: love and peace. And so if we can't say like now, 231 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 11: it's it's the same in Bethlehem. We can see all 232 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 11: the houses, we can see the cave where Jesus was born, 233 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 11: and we can see the simplicity people and the hospitality 234 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 11: of Bethlehem that they're still living and continue the message 235 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 11: of peace and love until now. 236 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 7: You know, one of the things, Father, that I've noticed 237 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 7: in my time working with the Palestinians, whether it's the 238 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 7: church in Gazo or here in the West Bank, is 239 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 7: there is this magnanimity. There's this charity, this forgiveness. And 240 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 7: I've prayed about it and what is the source of it? 241 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 7: And I thought it's Catholics. Archeology tells us that grace 242 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 7: builds upon our nature. And and it dawned on me 243 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 7: that grace has been building upon the nature of this 244 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 7: Christian community for two thousand years. 245 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 11: That's right, and that's why we still actually we are 246 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 11: the living stones. I called the Christians community in Batland 247 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 11: the living stones, not the church. The church maybe two 248 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 11: thousand teens it still exists, but the church doesn't mean 249 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 11: anything with the faithful people, the Christians who keep it alive, 250 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 11: you know, with the prayers every day to keep the 251 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 11: services and liturgy and helping get people coming from all 252 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 11: over the world to visit this place and also actually 253 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 11: to give a blessing and grace from it. 254 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 7: You know, I was an atheist until my late twenties, 255 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 7: and when I would hear Christians talk about the good 256 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 7: News the Gospel, I thought, that's an awful, strange expression 257 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 7: good news. But when you look back, what good news 258 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 7: is it? That the Caesar is not God, the Pharaoh 259 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 7: is not God. But I could be a humble peasant, 260 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 7: I can be a slave, but I have made any 261 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 7: image of God. 262 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 11: God an image of God. That's why we are a 263 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 11: daily services and the Church where Jesus was born exactly 264 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 11: in this pot with the light shines all over the world. 265 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 11: We just celebrate masses every day for Christian like Orthodox 266 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 11: Catholics and Armenian and we continue to celebrate this because 267 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 11: in Bethlehem it's almost like Christians and Muslims living together, 268 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 11: and we are united in Bethlehem as one. Like when 269 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 11: you see like last two weeks ago, when we let 270 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 11: Christmas tree, all people together were Christians, Muslims from different backgrounds. 271 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 11: They were celebrating Christmas and loving us to see like 272 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 11: the love charity of people were happiness of them. Like 273 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 11: after two years, you know, no celebration, no festivities. It's 274 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 11: just amazing to find this Bethlehem again, back again. 275 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 8: To life. 276 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,959 Speaker 7: Can ask you about Saint Joseph. You look at Saint Joseph, 277 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 7: it's kind of quiet, kind of hidden always. But I 278 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 7: looked at him as what a man should be. He 279 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 7: had callous hands, He was a See if you talk 280 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 7: about muscular Christianity and I think of Saint Joseph, he 281 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 7: was muscular, but he had callous hands. 282 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 8: He was a carpenter. He was amiable, he was kind, 283 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 8: he was gentle. Can you tell us about Saint Joseph. 284 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 11: Saint Joseph is the best because he could He took 285 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 11: care of Sam and of Mary when when he knews 286 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 11: that the one that she's holding in her like what 287 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 11: is Jesus Christ? So he never actually know this because 288 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 11: he was suspicious about it. But after this, when Gabriel 289 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 11: told him that you have to take care of her 290 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 11: because this is from God, and that's why he continued, 291 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 11: actually to take care of this woman that he never 292 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 11: actually know before. 293 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 8: But this was actually the It was scandalous exactly and embarrassing. 294 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 11: Embarrassing for sure, But this is deep in your heart, 295 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 11: like you think when when God just put things like 296 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 11: to think wisely, with love, with respect, and this is 297 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 11: how he deals with this. 298 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 8: People must have been looking at him, laughing at him, 299 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 8: mocking him, that's for sure. 300 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 11: This is what people actually usually do when you are 301 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 11: in the right place and you're doing the best thing. 302 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 11: So that's why we have as a Christians or as 303 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 11: a young man to have to look at Saint Joseph 304 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 11: how he deals with this issue and how he continued. 305 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 12: Because he knew I had a vision, Jason, and this 306 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 12: vision actually yes, Jason, what father just said, I think 307 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 12: is kind of shocking to an American audience because we 308 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 12: followed your work for years and where we've seen throughout 309 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 12: the world is. 310 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 5: Where Islam has helped to eradicate the church, the desert 311 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 5: Church in the Middle East. Why is it that there 312 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 5: seems to be cooperation in Bethlehem, where throughout the rest 313 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 5: of the world there's not just not cooperation, there's actually conflict, 314 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 5: whether it's in Western Europe or now in the United States. 315 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 8: Sir, yeah, yeah, sure. 316 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 7: Father Steve's question was it's surprising to a lot of 317 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 7: American audiences to hear that Muslims and Christians bethel Mites 318 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 7: get a line together, your Greek Orthodox the Greeks for 319 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 7: so many, six hundred and fifty years one of the 320 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 7: control of the Ottomans. But today in the world we 321 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 7: see political Islam. Islamist extremism is a horrible threat to 322 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 7: the Christianity in Nigeria. Nine out of ten martyrs this 323 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 7: year will be in Nigeria. Yes, So can you help 324 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 7: us explain the dynamic in history between Islam and Christianity 325 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 7: and then maybe what's the difference or similarities with Christians 326 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 7: and Muslims together in Bethlehem. 327 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 11: In Bethlehem since I was born, actually I can tell 328 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 11: that we live Christians and Muslims together side by side, 329 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 11: as you can see backgrounds like the mosque in front 330 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 11: of the church, and which is meaning that we are 331 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 11: actually together. We're living in Bethlehem, that's just neighbors, and 332 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 11: we actually share the life of Bethlehem. People here the 333 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 11: same together like in the church. We have people like 334 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 11: police helping us. They are Muslims and they are taking 335 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 11: care of this church, the air security, and we have 336 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 11: also and many people. We are actually grow up with them, neighbors, 337 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 11: side by side and with the same difficulties, the same problems, 338 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 11: and with the same happiness. So as I said before, 339 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 11: when we let the Christmas tree, was many people from 340 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 11: Muslims backgrounds and they were actually celebrating with us. They 341 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 11: were happy, and we actually joined together. Like during Easter time, 342 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 11: during Ramadan and during Christmas time, we share together. We 343 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 11: greet each others in these feasts and we are here 344 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 11: one family. This is only in Batline because you know 345 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 11: just where Jesus was born. 346 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 7: And I have to say I was shocked last Christmas, 347 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 7: Steve when I was the only person not from Bethlehem here. 348 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 7: But there were so many Muslim pilgrims in the church 349 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 7: in the Nativity. 350 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 8: Is this something that's normal, Yes, it's normal. 351 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 11: Many people actually during these two years, and we didn't 352 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 11: have any kind of visitors or pilgrims. Only we have 353 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 11: Muslims who are coming from all the Muslims area around. 354 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 11: They were coming visiting the church with respect. They allow 355 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 11: the candle for peace and this is what means a 356 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 11: lot for us as Christians to see most of them's 357 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 11: coming and the respecting the place where Jesus was born 358 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 11: and they are actually happy about. 359 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 7: For seven hundred and fifty years, the Orthodox Church was 360 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 7: living within the Klifey the Adam and Calfay. But we've 361 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 7: seen just in the past two decades with the rise 362 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 7: of Isis, for example in Iraq and Syria, the decimation 363 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 7: of Christian communities. We've seen this in Nigeria. Can you 364 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 7: help us understand yesterday. 365 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 5: Jason, Jason, hang on one second. We're gonna take a break. 366 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 5: I wanna get the full answer on that when we 367 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 5: come back to Bethlehem. Sure, guys, just hang on. 368 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. 369 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 6: Ben Harnwolves at Saint Peter Spur. 370 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 8: We're going to go back to Ben. 371 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 6: Also leave you with some great music on the War 372 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 6: Rooms Christmas special. 373 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 5: President Trump has just announced that he's going to do 374 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 5: something at three pm this afternoon Eastern stand time or 375 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 5: later from mar A Lago. Actually the War Real America's 376 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 5: voice will be there with a camera. There'll be more 377 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 5: updates we'll put on social media, but plan on around 378 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 5: three o'clock right thereafter a special event at mar Lago 379 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 5: with the President United States. 380 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 8: Short martial art. 381 00:26:33,560 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: Shot out say. 382 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 13: So says siss. 383 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 4: Sences. So it's. 384 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 5: Welcome back, tage girls with me, taje real quickly. You've 385 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 5: spent the better part of a couple of decades your 386 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 5: life trying to defend people over in the hellhole of 387 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 5: Iraq and Afghanistan and our audience for all the veterans 388 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 5: that did that. 389 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 6: You can't thank these folks enough for what they did 390 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 6: unbeknownst to them. 391 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 8: Maybe not. 392 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 5: A government that wasn't totally straightforward with people, but for 393 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 5: the patriots, you and your generation and everyone our nation 394 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 5: has nothing but thanks and gratitude. 395 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 6: And the folks there that you defended, I know too. 396 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 6: We're gonna need a a now you're you went from 397 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 6: a gunman. 398 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 5: To a barristo. 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I think 411 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 6: you're seeing youre going to Drew me for the Saturday show. 412 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 6: So thank you so much. 413 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 8: I appreciate you. 414 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 10: Thank you, Steve. 415 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 8: I appreciate it. 416 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 5: Mary Christmas, get some great coffee at Best Best Merry Christmas, 417 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 5: you and the family, that lovely family yours. Sixteen tours 418 00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 5: over in the Middle East. 419 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 6: In Iraq and Afghanistan, Tasian. There's so many guys like Tash. 420 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 5: Three o'clock today, Real America's Voice are going to be 421 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 5: back at mar Lago. President Trump to talking about doing 422 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 5: something very special for Christmas. We're going to have our 423 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 5: own correspondent there. I think we're the pool feed today, 424 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 5: So make sure that you hang around the rim today. 425 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 6: And find out what the President's doing. Later this afternoon. 426 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 5: Tomorrow we have our traditional I think it's the fifteenth 427 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 5: year that Patrick can Donald and I've done this. We 428 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 5: did at Bright Part Radio News over at Series XM 429 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 5: for so many years and now at the war room 430 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 5: for what the past six so the combat history of Christmas, 431 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 5: talking about the tage gills of the world, whether in 432 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 5: the Revolution, Civil War, World War two, Korea specific stories. 433 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 6: Don't miss it. 434 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 8: It's one of my. 435 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,719 Speaker 6: Favorite shows of the year. Jason. 436 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 5: We are pressed for time, but I want to hear 437 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 5: that that question you teed up to the pastor of 438 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 5: the Church Nativity is one I think our audience wants 439 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 5: to hear. 440 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 6: So can you ask it again and let let's get 441 00:30:59,000 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 6: an answer. 442 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 443 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 7: I want to thank taste you and my son fought 444 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 7: Isis in Iraq and Syria knows to knows, But Father, 445 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 7: I want to go back to the question. We saw 446 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 7: Yurk community, Orthodox community survive for seven hundred and fifty 447 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 7: years under the Ottoman Caliphate, but just in the past 448 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 7: two decades we've seen the decimation of the Christian communities 449 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 7: of Iraq and Syria. 450 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 8: Can you help us understand. 451 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 7: The nature of political Islam the challenges that we face 452 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 7: now as a church with the political Islam. 453 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 11: It's good questions actually, because you know survived Christians community, 454 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 11: especially the Orthodox one from the Ottoman time and past, 455 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 11: not just on the Ottoman Crusado's times, British times, and 456 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 11: many happens in like the Holy Land, but still Christians 457 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 11: community still exists and the rooted in the land because 458 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 11: of the help of the you know, Patriarchate Jeerusalem. We 459 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 11: know about the church itself of the people who around 460 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 11: us to help and to maybe too or maybe you 461 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 11: came out the faith of the people. The Christians community 462 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 11: still resists in there and they're rooted in the land. 463 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 11: But maybe some of them, like Christians lived like with fear, 464 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 11: you know, with no hope with they need freedom, they 465 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 11: need justice, they need dignity, and some of them actually 466 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 11: even Palestinian Christians community, they have left this place because 467 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 11: of have no freedom, no dignity, no justice. And that's 468 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 11: why in many Christians communities, even in our court, Syria 469 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 11: or place, they're living immigrations and it depends on how 470 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 11: they live under which. 471 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 7: To day in Syria, the brutalization of the Christian community 472 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 7: in India, Hindu nationalism. Just yesterday Christians were attacked. Three 473 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 7: hundred churches were burned down on one state alone Steve 474 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 7: this year in India. So we see Hindu nationalism, we 475 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 7: see the CCP Communist ideology and then political Islam. We 476 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 7: see settlers attacking Christian communities here in Taybe. Only eight 477 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 7: hundred Christians left in Gaza. 478 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 11: That's right, and we're talking about this and still actually 479 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 11: people are Christians are immigration, migrating and still living Syria, 480 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 11: Iraq and even Palestine. 481 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 8: Even in Bethlehem. 482 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 11: Many people left this because of this difficult difficulties, living 483 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 11: under a difficult occupation or difficult situations. 484 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 8: Is it important for Christians to stay in the Holy Land? 485 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 8: For sure? 486 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 11: I call them the living stones, and we need to 487 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 11: continue our rooted like in Berthlhem in and we could 488 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 11: continue because Berthlhem without the Christians means nothing. We need 489 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 11: them to continue living in there and call them living stones, 490 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 11: and we need That's why it's my vision, my role 491 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 11: in Bethlehem. As a young priest from the Nativity Church, 492 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 11: I always tell people to stay and try to protect them. 493 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 11: I try to help them educate them, as to say, 494 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 11: especially the young one, because we don't we need them here. 495 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 7: Oftentimes, Father, you'll hear Christians the United States say, oh, 496 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 7: it's so dangerous, why don't they just leave? 497 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 8: What would you say to that? 498 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 11: We will never leave. Actually, I lived in America, and 499 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 11: I see how America is, and I know we could 500 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 11: live in freedom and in good life, but we refuse 501 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 11: because we need our land is different. Our land here 502 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 11: in Bethlehem especially, everything begins from Christianity began from Bertlhem 503 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 11: where Jesus was born to give this peace and love. 504 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 11: And that's why our rooted in this place is important 505 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 11: for Christianity to continue into Asians and Asians. 506 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 7: What kid would you if you could talk to Ambassador 507 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 7: Mi Kakabie, what would you say to him? And what 508 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 7: the United States can do to preserve the Christian communities 509 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 7: here in Batthlehem, in Tabe, in Gusa. 510 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 11: Yes, actually we tell them we need acts. We need 511 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 11: something to do to keep and protect the Christians community 512 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 11: in Bethlehem and in all Holy Land and Palestinian areas. 513 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 11: And we have many Christians they are willing to live, 514 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 11: but we need them to stay here because I call 515 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 11: them the living stones. So we need an act, we 516 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,720 Speaker 11: need a support. Maybe I don't mean support like support 517 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 11: with any political things that we can actually just keep 518 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 11: them staying in Bethlehem, staying in their lands and not 519 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 11: to be see. 520 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, Jason Hanger, for one second, I got you go 521 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 5: with the Vatican, and maybe another time will get my 522 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 5: idea that since there's essentially going to be a Palestinian 523 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 5: state in Gazo with Cutter as the financier and the 524 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 5: Turks as the as incredible as that sound, the Turks 525 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 5: as a security guarantee, since you have a two state solution, 526 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 5: my recognition, we go to a three state solution. One 527 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 5: of those states would be a Christian state which takes 528 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 5: the Christian Quarter of Jerusalem. 529 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 6: All the way to Bethlehem. 530 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 5: But that's a topic for a different another day, maybe 531 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 5: too controversial for Christmas. 532 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 8: Eve. 533 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 5: Stay right there, I'm gonna go to the Vatican real quickly. 534 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 5: The yeah, let's not, let's get through Christmas. Ben Harnwell 535 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 5: very big on the world stage. Night, the Pope Leo 536 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 5: is going to have his first midnight Mass. Why is 537 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 5: this important to him? And particularly as the hardcore Traad 538 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 5: Catholics that as we kind of forecasted when we're the 539 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 5: only people in the world that said Prevos was going 540 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 5: to be selected as pope because of not so much 541 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 5: the America, not so much the American is, but the 542 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 5: access that he could have to the money. 543 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 6: Why is tonight big for him well. 544 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 9: Because the whole world we're watching to see what he says, 545 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 9: and he knows that and they know that. So these 546 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 9: words both in his mass this evening at the Christmasbath 547 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 9: at ten pm local time here own time. But also 548 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 9: he's blessing tomorrow midday at noon the it orby to 549 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 9: the church and to the world, to the city in 550 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 9: the world. 551 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 8: Excuse me. 552 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,439 Speaker 9: Both of those are events in which he will make 553 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 9: in a very subtle way or not so subtle way, 554 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 9: some of his priorities clearly known. These were big opportunities 555 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 9: that his late unlamented predecessor, Pope Francis, always used to 556 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:24,720 Speaker 9: push his favorite political pet projects, for example, his support 557 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 9: of the invasion in first place, We'll look at Leo, 558 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 9: We'll see what he says, no doubt, digest it. 559 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 10: Next week, Steve. 560 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 9: I'll say this, though you might not get a frontal 561 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 9: Marxism of Pope Francis, but it's not. 562 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 10: You're not going to get pure Milton Friedman either. 563 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 9: He's going to be doing what he always does in 564 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 9: his subtle way, which is continuing the revolution of Bergolio 565 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 9: of Pope Francis, but in a way that it beds 566 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 9: down amongst the Church, rather than generating opposition and rebellion, 567 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:12,280 Speaker 9: which was what Francis was generating, simply because Francis was crazy, 568 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 9: pathologically crazy, and he couldn't help rub people up the 569 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 9: wrong way, even his own natural supporters. He just rubbed 570 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 9: everyone up and there was a huge global sigh of 571 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 9: relief when he died. Leo is a more intelligent, more 572 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 9: subtle person. I say this constantly, therefore more dangerous, so 573 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 9: he's going to use his opportunity. There'll be obviously the 574 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 9: standard Christian bromide, the standard Christian platitudes. 575 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 10: Obviously because it's Christmas. 576 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 2: But in. 577 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 9: Mixed amongst that, there will be the political message to 578 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 9: the secular political message too, of which the institutional Catholic 579 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 9: Church is handmaiden. 580 00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 6: Hang on being the war room. 581 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 5: We had to go war room in this block, both 582 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 5: in both in Bethlehem and the Vatican. 583 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,399 Speaker 6: Ben, we're gonna have we have the last block. 584 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 5: We're gonna take a break, play some great music, and 585 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 5: we're gonna come back. We really appreciate you doing this today. 586 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 5: I know it's inclement weather down there. We couldn't get 587 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,399 Speaker 5: the shots we want. But once again, Ben Harner will 588 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 5: always delives with brilliant commentary, short commercial break here in 589 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 5: the Warm I want to thank a Birch Gold for 590 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 5: being our sponsor to take your front abandoned nine eight 591 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 5: get access to the ultimate gold for investing in. 592 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 6: Gold and precious metals in the age of Trump. So 593 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 6: music takes us out, music will bring us back in 594 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 6: in a moment. 595 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:09,800 Speaker 1: Chan sister. 596 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:23,399 Speaker 13: See a man scalds it just es there's as jo. 597 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 14: Seys go shan sister both. 598 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 1: S school. 599 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 15: School no. 600 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 4: Ch ch. 601 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 2: Sh sh. 602 00:41:51,800 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 4: She s. 603 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: Go she. 604 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 2: Hard meachnust wants not. 605 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:41,880 Speaker 1: Sus stop. 606 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 4: She h. 607 00:42:58,840 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: Said. 608 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,879 Speaker 6: Okay, welcome back the German version of Silent Night. 609 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 5: Let's go to Ben Harnwell. Ben, thank you for being 610 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,359 Speaker 5: out there at the inclement weather. 611 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:49,280 Speaker 6: The Catholics. 612 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,799 Speaker 5: I guess we'll be watching the Pope later today. Where 613 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 5: can we get your commentary of the weekend, Ben? 614 00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:01,240 Speaker 9: Leave My social media platform of choice Getta where. 615 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,240 Speaker 10: Obviously the Christmas Spirit selling the Warm Spirit. 616 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 9: There's a full on throw down against inverted from the 617 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,439 Speaker 9: Pope Leo that I posted today from a few words 618 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 9: I gave to the Observer newspaper Steve, which is effectively 619 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 9: the Guardian's sisters paper on Sundays. So if you're thinking 620 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,440 Speaker 9: I'd be becoming all beata male and all peace and 621 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 9: love this Christmas spirit. 622 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 10: Absolutely not throw down right in pop Leo's. 623 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 9: Face because he's pushing the invasion point obviously and the 624 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,840 Speaker 9: war and must step up to resist. Steve get her 625 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:44,359 Speaker 9: at Haarnwell my surname, you'll see all my rituitous provocations there. 626 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 9: Let me take this moment to wish you the warm 627 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,879 Speaker 9: posse real America's voice, a very merry Christmas. The birth 628 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 9: of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ made the Spirit 629 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 9: of God be with you all and seeing you after. 630 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,800 Speaker 6: God bless Ben Harnwell. Merry Christmas. 631 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 5: The war wouldn't be wouldn't be the world without you, sir, 632 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 5: Thank you so much. Ahead of our international bureau in Rome, 633 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 5: Ben Harnwell, thank you so I appreciate it. Thanks Jason, 634 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 5: You've done so much incredible work for the persecuted Christians 635 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 5: throughout the world and vulnerable people overall, not just Christians. 636 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:21,839 Speaker 6: I know you've got a guest. 637 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 5: We got a couple of minutes, tell us what you 638 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,279 Speaker 5: got and then I want everybody to go to your site. 639 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 15: Sir. 640 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:28,839 Speaker 8: Yeah, Steve Well, thank you very much. 641 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,839 Speaker 7: Vulnerable People Project dot com is our website, Vulnerable Peopleproject 642 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:38,279 Speaker 7: dot com and or Protect Holyland Christians. We provided as 643 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,839 Speaker 7: a Christmas present every Christian and family. Every Christian family 644 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 7: in Gaza has received a pop up home to keep 645 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,600 Speaker 7: them warm. But we also need to get them firewoods. 646 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,279 Speaker 7: We'd love your help with that. This is the great 647 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:55,800 Speaker 7: Eleast Christian activist here in Bethlehem and Betsal Hoor and 648 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 7: she is the biggest Steve Bannon and Donald Trump, President 649 00:45:59,120 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 7: Trump fan. 650 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,080 Speaker 16: Hi, Steve a privilege here on this show with you 651 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:11,160 Speaker 16: and with Jason. Thank you for this opportunity. I'm wishing 652 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,920 Speaker 16: that you and President Trump would really come and visit Bethlehem, 653 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,760 Speaker 16: the heart, the heart of Bethlehem, the credel of Jesus 654 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 16: Christ and to support the Christian communities here. And I 655 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,920 Speaker 16: thank mister President Trump that he's bringing us hope and 656 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 16: peace to the Middle East and especially Palestine. 657 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,839 Speaker 6: We are going to I'm talk to Jason. 658 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,839 Speaker 5: I want to interview you the first couple of days 659 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 5: the next week about my idea of the new Christian 660 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,880 Speaker 5: State of Jerusalem, that the third state. Since they've got 661 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 5: a Palestinian state now in Gaza, we need a Christian state. 662 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,959 Speaker 5: But I'll hold that for after Christmas. What's your social media? 663 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 5: How do people find out more about your your fight 664 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:51,799 Speaker 5: and your efforts in the Holy Land. 665 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,160 Speaker 16: It's Alice Kissia on the social media and we have 666 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 16: the Save al Magruur also on Instagram and they can 667 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 16: search Almahurur dot org. They can also find us on 668 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 16: the website. 669 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:07,319 Speaker 8: Ma'am. 670 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,240 Speaker 5: Thank you, look forward to talking to you Monday, Tuesday 671 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 5: of next week. Thank you, Jason Jones one more time. 672 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,839 Speaker 5: You your social media? Where do people get you over 673 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,360 Speaker 5: the Christmas holiday? 674 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,200 Speaker 8: Sir? Instagram? 675 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 7: All my social media and my substack is the Jason 676 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,040 Speaker 7: Jones Show, my podcast, The Jason Jones Show. And if 677 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,040 Speaker 7: you want to stand in solidarity with the most vulnerable 678 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 7: Christians in the world, we provide security in Nigeria. 679 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,440 Speaker 8: We serve the persecuted church here and. 680 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,840 Speaker 7: In Gaza and around the world in India, go to 681 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,439 Speaker 7: Vulnerable People Project dot com. If you want to deliver 682 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 7: firewood into Gaza with us, go to Protect Holyland Christians 683 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 7: dot com. 684 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:41,800 Speaker 2: And Steve. 685 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,800 Speaker 7: It's just been an honor to share Bethlehem with you 686 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 7: and your audience. It's it's a great privilege. 687 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 8: Thank you for this. 688 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,000 Speaker 6: Thank you sir, appreciate you. 689 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:58,360 Speaker 5: Voice around three o'clock, Marla, Merry Christmas, guys, Tomorrow, Combat 690 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,800 Speaker 5: History at Christmas, Patrick Donald and myself Raheem will be 691 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,799 Speaker 5: on Boxing Day, and we're back on Saturday, the very 692 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,560 Speaker 5: another incredible special. 693 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,200 Speaker 6: Gonna leave you some of this great music. Merry Christmas, folks. 694 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,840 Speaker 6: We'll see you tomorrow morning, right here in 695 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:45,040 Speaker 13: The world's Sundays