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Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. This is not just a

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Speaker 3: Correct. And the thing is, when it comes to this,

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Speaker 1: Who's gonna be picking them out.

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Speaker 1: And this makes people sick too. So you got these

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Speaker 3: And the thing is, when you have the federal government

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Speaker 3: Right, And like somebody say in the room, yeah, brown

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have.

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Speaker 3: And people need to pay attention, particularly with this UN shit.

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Speaker 1: Americans and Europeans attending church regularly. There are actually more

436
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Speaker 1: non believers, including atheists, that are showing up for services.

437
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Speaker 1: According to a cold case detective who's an investigating this

438
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Speaker 1: weird trend. Detective Jay Warner Wallace, who is also a

439
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Speaker 1: Senior fell Fellow I'm Sorry, Senior Fellow at the Coast

440
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Speaker 1: and Center for Christian Worldview and the author of Cold

441
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Speaker 1: Case Christianity, says fewer Americans claim Christian affiliation than ever before,

442
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Speaker 1: and those who don't are the fastest growing group in

443
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Speaker 1: the country. Walla says he's been collecting that on this

444
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Speaker 1: trade for one to ten years. The most surprising trainee

445
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Speaker 1: spots that is the one that asks Christians leaving churches

446
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Speaker 1: and atheists starting them. Atheist churches have been falling across

447
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Speaker 1: the country, he says, apparently aiming to offer some features

448
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Speaker 1: of a religious congregation fellows, fellowship, collective enjoyment, and the

449
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Speaker 1: stimulus to moral behavior. These congregations often meet on Sunday

450
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Speaker 1: include some include Sunday School, where children go while parents

451
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Speaker 1: attend services. When asked if these atheist churches could be

452
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Speaker 1: described as a foreign religion, the founder of the Seattle

453
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Speaker 1: Atheist Churches find it with a definite yes. I believe that. Yes. Yeah.

454
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Speaker 1: For what religion has come to mean, I think I

455
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Speaker 1: think religion is like the traditions and celebrations and the fellowship.

456
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Speaker 1: Well not, I mean, yes, absolutely, But I guess what

457
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to say is, to me, religion is all

458
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Speaker 1: the stuff that's the belief, not the belief itself, but

459
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Speaker 1: like you know, the building, the people, the traditions, the rituals.

460
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Speaker 1: That's that's really what religion is.

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Speaker 4: Now.

462
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Speaker 1: I don't think. You know, some people pejoratively say atheism

463
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Speaker 1: is a religion, and to which I think that is bullshit.

464
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Speaker 1: That's like saying not watching NBA basketball is the same

465
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Speaker 1: as having a favorite team. It's not the that's not

466
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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think some people might be

467
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Speaker 1: Dixon be atheists, and they might throw it in your

468
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Speaker 1: face and be atheists, and that's on them, but that's

469
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Speaker 1: not the same as having a religion. I think having

470
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Speaker 1: a religion as much as like a pretty defined thing

471
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Speaker 1: that being said, going to you, it doesn't mean that

472
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Speaker 1: you can't be a quote unquote religious atheist. This is

473
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Speaker 1: what it sounds like to me, like this would be

474
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Speaker 1: a category of atheism that is still trying to replace

475
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Speaker 1: maybe or to subsidize that need a lot of people

476
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Speaker 1: have for fellowship with like minded folks. Correct, you know,

477
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Speaker 1: I don't know what the rituals are in an atheist church,

478
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Speaker 1: but I bet they kind of mirror a lot of

479
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Speaker 1: stuff you hear from churches, like regular like Christian churches

480
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Speaker 1: and shit. So yeah does the gathering gatherers, dubbed atheist

481
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: megachurches by supporters and detractors, are springing up around in

482
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Speaker 1: the US after finding success in Great Britain several years ago.

483
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Speaker 1: What example was a Sunday assembling in Los Angeles, which

484
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Speaker 1: attracted more than four hundred attendees for its inaugural service.

485
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Speaker 1: Similar gatherings are taking place in San Diego, Nashville, New York,

486
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Speaker 1: and other US cities where atheists seek the camaraderie of

487
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Speaker 1: a congregation without religion or ritual.

488
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Speaker 3: Uh.

489
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder what it's like without religion or ritual

490
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Speaker 1: in a in a setting that's typically ritualistic, like everybody

491
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Speaker 1: sing whatever song, you feel like everybody sing a different song, Like, like,

492
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Speaker 1: how does that work?

493
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Speaker 3: I have no idea. They're probably some form of organization

494
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Speaker 3: and just like watching find it. Just like churches, you're

495
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Speaker 3: gonna have some atheists.

496
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Speaker 1: Do this, some atheists do that. You're gonna have different branches.

497
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Speaker 1: I think I would start an atheist church and for

498
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Speaker 1: the hemns. We were just singing TV theme songs, you know,

499
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Speaker 1: that would be cool.

500
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Speaker 3: And then, just like everything else, race plays of actor.

501
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Speaker 3: So you're gonna have some people go, I don't want

502
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Speaker 3: to be arounding all these white folks, but I'm atheists

503
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Speaker 3: and I'll want a fellowship.

504
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's yeah, Like I mean, well, obviously,

505
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Speaker 1: when I started my atheist church, it's gonna be, you know,

506
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Speaker 1: black theme songs. I'm not gonna do. Obviously I'm not

507
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Speaker 1: gonna do white theme songs. So we'll get rid of

508
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Speaker 1: the white people. You know, eventually, it won't it'll end

509
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Speaker 1: up being a black atheist church just because they won't

510
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Speaker 1: know the words to all the hymns.

511
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Speaker 5: You know.

512
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Speaker 2: I say, turn to the book of.

513
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Speaker 1: The Book of Good Times, you know, and everybody flip

514
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Speaker 1: their pages and be like, good times, you need a payment,

515
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Speaker 1: good task, in the time, you need a friend. Ain't

516
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Speaker 1: we look it? We got them. All the white people

517
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Speaker 1: look around like what is this. I don't know what

518
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: they say instead of amen, but something like wow, science, science, science, science,

519
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: be with you. I don't know what we say with you.

520
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what they say.

521
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 3: Facts be with you, you know.

522
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Speaker 1: But I think one of the reasons I kind of

523
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Speaker 1: like this idea, not that I would ever attend one,

524
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Speaker 1: because you know, people, but one of the reasons I

525
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Speaker 1: kind of liked this idea though, is because a big

526
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Speaker 1: part of why people I don't know, if they're just

527
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Speaker 1: angry that we don't all believe the same thing, so

528
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: they have to be like judgmental and shit. But like

529
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: one of the things about atheists, people will be like,

530
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: y'all don't have no more so, I mean, what makes

531
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Speaker 1: you do the right thing? How do you do that?

532
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm not I have to be scared of

533
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Speaker 1: a sky daddy in order to do the right thing.

534
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Speaker 1: I hope that's like I feel like everybody should just like,

535
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Speaker 1: don't you want to be a good person without it

536
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Speaker 1: being attached to like religion. If you don't do this,

537
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna go to hell? Why not? If you don't

538
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: do this, it's just fucked up, man, Be nice to people.

539
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Speaker 3: Correct And because the thing is, those studies are true

540
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Speaker 3: because you have a lot of people that are in religion,

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Speaker 3: and a lot of times you're in religion, you get

542
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Speaker 3: in deep and you realize a lot of people, uh

543
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Speaker 3: like anything else. When you deal with people they're the

544
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Speaker 3: X factors, And you deal with people that say these

545
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Speaker 3: things and they stand up for these things, but they're

546
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Speaker 3: not trying funny. They're just as fucked up as the

547
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Speaker 3: people on the outside. So you go what A lot

548
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 3: of people get to the point of they say, well,

549
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Speaker 3: what's the difference? Why am I wasting my time here?

550
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 3: When at the end of the day, a lot of

551
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Speaker 3: people are no different. Now, there are some people that

552
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Speaker 3: they're they're living good, they're they're they're they're living that

553
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Speaker 3: life to the best of their ability. But for a

554
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 3: lot of people, a lot of them are scammers. A

555
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: lot of them you know, have conned people over the years.

556
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Speaker 3: There are a lot of hurt and angry people over religion,

557
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: and it's not actually the religion itself, it's the people

558
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Speaker 3: that's the problem.

559
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just know in general, there's a like that's

560
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: one of the biggest like knocks on atheism is this

561
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Speaker 1: whole like y'all don't do shit or you're not how

562
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, how you're gonna be a good person?

563
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Speaker 2: Like every agent is a fucking serial kill or some shit.

564
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Speaker 1: And I think the idea of having a group of

565
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: people maybe y'all can collect money, help causes that y'all

566
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Speaker 1: care about, do different events in the town and stuff.

567
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Speaker 1: So they'd be like, yes, we're secular, but we're not

568
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Speaker 1: fucking the devil, you know what I mean? Correct, Like

569
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Speaker 1: we still would like to see you know, I don't know,

570
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: the kids baseball team, get some gloves, put some money

571
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Speaker 1: together for that or some shit.

572
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we all here, you know, doing work and reaching,

573
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Speaker 3: doing outreach community, you know, because I think that the

574
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: thing is particularly here in America, where quote unquote Christianity

575
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Speaker 3: is king. You know, anything that threatens people feel like

576
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: it's threatened threatening to Christianity. A lot of people just

577
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 3: they just panic when you go, well, you know a

578
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: lot of our laws and rules of regulations are based

579
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Speaker 3: off of this religion, and everybody don't believe this religion,

580
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: and everybody don't.

581
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Speaker 1: Subscribe to this religion.

582
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Speaker 3: And you know, instead of you letting people exist that

583
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Speaker 3: aren't like you, you know, it becomes its battle. Yeah,

584
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Speaker 3: And I think there's also just a lot of people

585
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Speaker 3: that missed the camaraderie of church, and especially especially when

586
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Speaker 3: you're are a marginalized person, like when you're a black person,

587
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Speaker 3: church means more than just a place you can go

588
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Speaker 3: hang out because traditionally church has been the backbone of

589
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Speaker 3: our communities until maybe last twenty thirty years, and the

590
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Speaker 3: power of the church was huge when it came to

591
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Speaker 3: activism spaces correct, when it came to organizing civil rights.

592
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Speaker 3: How many leaders that we know even to this day

593
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Speaker 3: are reverends, ministers you know that are black. You know,

594
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Speaker 3: you don't have Bernie Sanders doesn't have to be a

595
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Speaker 3: minister come but you know, but but like, uh, you know,

596
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: Reverend barber is a is a person that is a

597
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Speaker 3: leader in a community, and he's a black man of faith.

598
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: You know, even you know all Sharpton.

599
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Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson, Ship, I think even Cornell West and Michael

600
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Speaker 1: Eric Dyson might be so like this is a vehicle

601
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Speaker 1: for a lot of like black thought comes from the church,

602
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Speaker 1: or at least you have to have a checked on

603
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Speaker 1: your resume of things that you know you believe is uh,

604
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Speaker 1: I mean John Lewis, you know, like you have to

605
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Speaker 1: like you have to come through this in order to

606
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Speaker 1: be this kind of black spokespersons until probably the last

607
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Speaker 1: maybe even ten years, I'm not even gonna say twenty. Yeah,

608
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Speaker 1: that's why a lot of them get angry.

609
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Speaker 3: A lot of them get upset that you quote unquote

610
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: did get their great steps, while a lot of them

611
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 3: have problems with Obama. He didn't get their quote unquote

612
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 3: their blend scenes and their grace, you know, to go

613
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: forth and be great, you know. And it causes a

614
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 3: lot of problems. Because I can be out here fighting

615
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Speaker 3: for life, just like you could be out here fighting

616
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Speaker 3: for life. My religious affiliation is irrelevant when we all

617
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Speaker 3: out here talking about Black lives matter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I don't know, it'll be interesting though.

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Speaker 1: I just don't like, like, I'm not one of these

620
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Speaker 1: people that would go because I just don't miss the

621
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Speaker 1: community of church. I think a lot of people do,

622
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Speaker 1: even after they lose their faith. I actually think there's

623
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Speaker 1: a lot of faithless Christians, a lot correct. And I

624
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: don't mean nothing in a bad way. I mean that

625
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: in a good way, which is they don't necessarily believe

626
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: all the shit that the pastor says and all the like,

627
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: especially some of this like homophobic, racist, patriarchal, misogynistic, that shit.

628
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: A lot of there's a lot of people that it's

629
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Speaker 1: kind of sad and good at the same time. They

630
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Speaker 1: know enough to know, like this isn't really part of

631
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Speaker 1: the teachings and I can't really I'm not gonna live

632
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: my life as if it is. But yet at the

633
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: same time, they don't have a courage or they haven't

634
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: that's so scared to miss the camaraderie that they don't

635
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: want to like leave. But maybe this is a place

636
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: for people to go as just an alternative, you know,

637
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Speaker 1: because I think people are so scared to be like,

638
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: I live my life like this shit isn't true anyway,

639
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: And once you accept that you're doing that, I think

640
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: you can find other places to find community and maybe

641
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: this can be an outlet. It doesn't sound like there's

642
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: a lot of these in a lot of cities, so

643
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: that may also be a you know, a hamper to

644
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: people if you don't live in New York or California

645
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: or some shit. Like walso to find my atheist church

646
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: at you know, because its hard enough just finding like

647
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Speaker 1: a quote unquote woke church. Those are needle and hasack

648
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: as is, and then to find like a complete like

649
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: a church like this is very like we're here for

650
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: the community and the gathering and the fun and the

651
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: stuff that you really want anyway, you know. I don't know.

652
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: I think it could be dope. I don't know. So

653
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: we'll see if it continues to gain traction.

654
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 5: Though.

655
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: Let's see what else is happening. Oh, this is a

656
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: crazy TSA screeners have won uh an appeals court. Basically

657
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: they get immunity from abuse claims, So people talk about

658
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: TSA being rough with them, possibly profiling them. This is

659
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: definitely gonna affect a lot of black people, specifically black

660
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: women when it comes to like hair things of this nature. Basically,

661
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: they are immune from claims under federal law government assaults,

662
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: false arrests, and other abuses, so.

663
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 3: You're basically giving them free range to fucking fuck people up.

664
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Speaker 1: In a two to one vote, the Third US Circuit

665
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: Court of Appeals of Philadelphia said Transportation Security Administration screeners

666
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: were not investigative or law enforcement officers and were therefore

667
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: shielded from liability under the Federal Tortue Claims Act. When

668
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: the majority said it was sympathetic to concerns that this

669
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: decision would leave flyers was very limited legal redress for

670
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: allegedments treatment by aggressive or oversealers screeners, which add to

671
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: the ordinary stresses of air travel right for most people

672
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: TSA screeners are an unavoidable feature of flying, but it's

673
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: squarely in the round of Congress to expand liability for abuses.

674
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: Circuit Judge ryl and Crossroad. The FTCA generally affords the

675
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: government's sovereign immunity when employers commit intentional towards a type

676
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: of civil wrong. Weidzday's decision was the first by federal

677
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: appeals court on whether a waiver of immunity for investigative

678
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: and law enforcement officers extended to screeners. It was a

679
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: defeat for Nadine Pellegrino, a business consultant from Bocoverton, Florida.

680
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: She and her husband had sued for false arrests, fossil provement, imprisonment,

681
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: and malicious prosecution over July two thousand and six altercation. Man,

682
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: it just got to this court. In twenty eighteen, at

683
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: a Philadelphia International Airport, read resented herself and she was reviewed.

684
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: Said she says she's reviewing the decision because.

685
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: My thing is this, you fuck up my life. I

686
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: don't I have to deal with the consequences of your actions,

687
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: so you should be held accountable. If I go to jail.

688
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 3: That's on my goddamn record. I got to pay the fines.

689
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 3: I got to pay the fees, I got to do

690
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 3: all that shit. That shit don't magically go away just

691
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 3: because you wanta held accountable.

692
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: You ought to be held accountable.

693
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 3: Many people to fuck alone, because most of the time

694
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 3: you fuck with brown people, you come in there with

695
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: a he job, you constantly gotta take it off. They

696
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: constantly want to rub through your hair, they constantly want

697
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: to pet on you, they constantly want to.

698
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: Touch on you.

699
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 3: They're constantly asking what's in your bag that you know,

700
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 3: you know.

701
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: And it's the thing where.

702
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: For a lot of people, particularly if you're brownly you

703
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 3: travel a lot, all of a sudden you are constantly

704
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 3: flag I randomly.

705
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: Pick you me.

706
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 3: All these motherfucking white people rolling through here with no

707
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: problems everywhere they go. You don't ever ask Becky the

708
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: the fucking pet her ass down.

709
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: You're always asking somebody brown. Yeah. According to court papers,

710
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: Peligrino had been randomly selected for additional screening at the

711
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Airport before born in the US Airways flight before Lauderdale, Florida. Pelagrino,

712
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: then fifty seven, objected to the invasiveness of the screening

713
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: that means she's sixty nine, y'all. Now, like, what if

714
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: she would have just died during this time? What the

715
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: fuck would have in this case? Anyway, she objected to

716
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: the invasiveness of the screening, but conditions deteriorated. She was

717
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: eventually jailed for about eighteen hours and criminally charged. The

718
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: paper show. She was acquitted at a March two thousand

719
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: and eight trial. So you did all this shit for

720
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: you essentially got to quit it. But they did fuck

721
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 1: up your day and your life for two years.

722
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: Eighteen hours.

723
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: Dog, that's our long period of time, all because she

724
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: objected to the search and basically the quarters ruled that

725
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: they can do that. Oh wow, that's that's some scary shit.

726
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: Jill Stars recount cash pays for her Russia legal defense.

727
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: I literally told everybody, ah.

728
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 3: Y, I remembering that Shippen, I was like, I'm not

729
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: giving that bitch a goddamn dime.

730
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: It's settled.

731
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 3: Why are we giving her money after something is already decided?

732
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. This is why I said what happened the

733
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: cunn in his other cons a scamm if that ever was.

734
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 3: This woman millions of dollars, She's a scamming icon really

735
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 3: come on all time, just your fail could never? I mean,

736
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 3: the goat do you? Everybody know she's doing it and

737
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,479
Speaker 3: she ain't hiding it either.

738
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: She said she wanted Trump to wear over Hillary. He won,

739
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: and then she collected recop money. Nier still got it,

740
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: still got it. I don't even know what to say.

741
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: I mean, people will be like Roger was right, tagging

742
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: me the shit, but I'm not happy to be right

743
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: about this shit. This is trash. She's a trash individual,

744
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: and Americans are even dumber for having voted for her

745
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: and then turn around to give her money because a

746
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: lot of motherfuckers voted her really hoping Hillary will win.

747
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: Come on, And when that shit didn't happen, it was like,

748
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: oh god, oh God, oh god, Jill Start, can you

749
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: fix this? And she said, yeah, I can fix it

750
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: for a couple more dollars. And now she's using it

751
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: to pay her Russia league to fit. So they raised

752
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: seven point three million dollars for recounts with an M

753
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: dog with a.

754
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 4: M M at the n of A twenty eighteen, according

755
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 4: to the most recent FBC Fouling style campaign paid the

756
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 4: Partnership for Civil Justice sixty six four.

757
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: Hundred and forty one dollars sixty cent. That is on

758
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: top of a thirty one, five hundred and thirty six

759
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: dollars payment made in January, and more than the Style

760
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: campaign had to cash on hand over every twenty sixteen.

761
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: The Partnership for Civil Justice Fund is a nonprofit law

762
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: firm who's mission is to defend and advance fundamental civil, constitutional,

763
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: in human rights. On his websites, the group notes that

764
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 1: it's representing Styin in her dealings before the US Senate

765
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: Select Committee on Intelligence. Get the fuck out of here.

766
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: That money invex me. Okay, sorry, makings, but that's how

767
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: I learned to talk it from Luke Cage. I need

768
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: to watch her burn, Okay.

769
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 4: I hate her.

770
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 1: What's her name, Karen? What's her name?

771
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 3: Jill just Stine Stokes, Jill Stokes Stine.

772
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: Jill Stokes. I'm gonna watch or burn.

773
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 4: Uh.

774
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: McDonald's is saying goodbye to cashiers, a hello to kiosk.

775
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: I mean this is what was funny, right. McDonald's fought

776
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: so hard against that mental wage shit and out of

777
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: jealousy and stupidity and shortsightedness for most Americans who are

778
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: against the mentum wage increase because they are underpaid, and

779
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: then they want these people to be underpaid because I'm

780
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: underpaid and I don't want you making more than me

781
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: working at McDonald's.

782
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: And your job is so easy. Anyone could do it.

783
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: Although I would never take my college degree ass back

784
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: into a hot ass McDonald's. In my mother fucking life,

785
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: I was on the other side of counter. Okay, I

786
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: don't even want to manage a McDonald's, you understand. No.

787
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: I got these degrees for a reason. Come on, and

788
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: I've done that manual labor. Everyone should be forced to

789
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: do it, by the way, but I've done that, that

790
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: low service labor me to the hardest work I've ever

791
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: done in my life.

792
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 3: And your motherfucking life, dog, I won't. I have left

793
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 3: the ghetto and I won't go back.

794
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: Your fucking feed be on fire all day, Yo, he's

795
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 1: hurt your back, You be on your feet, You smell

796
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: like fucking grease. You gotta take out trash, clean up bathrooms,

797
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of shit don't nobody want to do. And

798
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: then you want to turn around tell me that shit

799
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: is only worth five dollars and thirty five cents. You

800
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: get the fuck out of my mother fucking face. And meanwhile,

801
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: I fucking don't wash my hands, come from the bathroom, everybody,

802
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: and this motherfucker getting sick. So I feel like it's

803
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: more important than a nigga that's working at motherfucking UH

804
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: the finance department necessarily at UH as some holding the

805
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: wall business, because ship if that nigga gonna wash his hands,

806
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you just don't want to go in the

807
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: bathroom open the door after.

808
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 2: Him, you know what I mean?

809
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: Just have ah ass keyboard.

810
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: A nigga McDonald's decided to break your ass, might everybody

811
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: in there might get E cola.

812
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck's happening.

813
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, anyway, all this shit to say, they're trying

814
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: to instart all these kiosks, and McDonald's fall against this

815
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: minimum wage, and one of the big fear tactics was, well,

816
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: if you make them pay a minimum wage and you

817
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: raise the minimum wage, they're gonna automate the whole thing.

818
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be robots. And isn't that really what

819
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: we need to avoid because then people won't have jobs.

820
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: Well guess what they're gonna do it anyway, Yes they are,

821
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: because they never gave a fuck about people. They never

822
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: paid them a Liverpool wage in the first place. They

823
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: want to make this shit automated as soon as they

824
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: can the goal, So yeah, a minimum wage levels approaching

825
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: the surpass nationwide fifteen dollars nationwide. Restaurant customers expecting to

826
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: be gritted by a smiling face will still be welcome

827
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: by a glowing led screen. As a twenty twenty the

828
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: self service ordering kiosks will be implemented at all us

829
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: McDonald's locations. Other chains, including fast casual brands like Panera

830
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: and casual dining brands like Chili's, have already embraced this trend. Yeah,

831
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: I've seen it. I'm going there. I'm not even gonna lie.

832
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 3: I fucking loved the kios at fucking Panera breads because

833
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 3: you're going do doing.

834
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: White people love pan their bread and so when you

835
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: go in there, that.

836
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: Line be off the chain. You got grandma up there

837
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 3: going I don't know what I want, baby, Can I

838
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 3: tell you in pennies, I take my ass over the

839
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 3: little kiosks, wring my shit up and gone and sitting

840
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 3: with them and bringing my food. I love it, and

841
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna enjoy the McDonald ones too.

842
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't go inside restaurants really like that, like

843
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: fast food places. Uh so, I guess I haven't really

844
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: used one of these. It's like, if it's a drive through,

845
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: I just used a drive through. When I've seen them

846
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: at Panera Bread, I've actually waited on the person instead

847
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: of using them. At Panera Bread, I prefer the people.

848
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, I can see how this is gonna

849
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: catch on because for the most part, people don't really

850
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 1: have a conscious. Like Karen just said, she the kios

851
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: from one of the people. That's about as far as

852
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: most people think the transaction through. They're not gonna be like,

853
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: I'm kind of actively putting a person out of a

854
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: job by going to the kiosk. And ultimately, that's what

855
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: the companies know, and that's what capitalism is like, if

856
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: there's another way to do it, I'll do it. Morals

857
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: be damned, and that's what they're relying on. And that's

858
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: why the whole argument about we can't raise them and

859
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: wags bullshit be cause come on, they were gonna do

860
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: this no matter what. They could be paying those people

861
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: a fucking penny if they can pay the machines zero pennies.

862
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: They'll just do that, you know if like a machine

863
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: don't always do certain tasks better than human beings, you know.

864
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: So Yeah, and at the end of the day, you

865
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 3: still want to have to have some physical person in there.

866
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 3: But yeah, you cut down on your staff and stuff

867
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 3: a lot because yeah, like I said, I like it.

868
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: Just go in the way it is.

869
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 3: You swipe your little car, you can do Apple pay,

870
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 3: you can't like like I said, you can scan your

871
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 3: shit like and it is purely convenient and another reason

872
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 3: why a lot of places like using the chios and

873
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 3: knocking stuff down online their apps. I order ship on

874
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 3: my app. You know what I do when it is

875
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: particularly like Panera breads, particularly, I'm gonna go. I'm using

876
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 3: their breads because because it's more convenient, but pen their breads,

877
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 3: I get on the app, I use my apple pane,

878
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 3: tell them what time I'm gonna pick it up. Take

879
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 3: my black ass up there.

880
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: You know what I do. I don't speak to nobody.

881
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 3: I walk through the lobby, cut through the corner, pick

882
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:26,959
Speaker 3: up my ship, and walk out the door.

883
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: It's just very convenient. Yeah, I understand it's convenient. That's

884
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: kind of the problem. So I don't know what's gonna

885
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: happen to the people that work there, just like I

886
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: don't know why black people always put an s on

887
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: preneur bread. Oh did I say pen their breads? All

888
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 1: black people do breads my brothers. As my brother said

889
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: on Facebook, why isn't that Why isn't it panair rus

890
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: bread like with a apostrophy s? Because something's wrong with

891
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: that that restaurant title. I don't know what it's supposed

892
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: to mean.

893
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 3: But but I'm good to you that as I will

894
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 3: thrown into something in the heartbeat.

895
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: Marcus, Yes, sir, at any rate, though I don't know, man.

896
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I feel bad for people that

897
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: are gonna lose their jobs behind this ship. But I

898
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 1: also think to a certain extent, if you're not gonna

899
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: have like good customer service, you're not gonna pay people

900
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: to want to be there, like you get minimum effort

901
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: when you pay people a minimum wage and for years,

902
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: you know, McDonald's to me is the fast food chains

903
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: has some of the shittier service, and they treat their

904
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: employees the shitty is I work for them, you know,

905
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: I've worked for there before. You feel like shit when

906
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: you work there. I mean, obviously you probably feel worse

907
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 1: if you have no job than to have that job,

908
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: even but it was a shitty job and and it

909
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: makes people be shitty, you know. I know, Chick fil

910
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: A pays people above men on wage and they.

911
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: Do all this ship to make people be super nice.

912
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: And I guess that's why you know that customer service

913
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: is better than bigotry because a lot of people know

914
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: that they have an owner that is a bigot, but

915
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: they also are the only chain that's gonna fucking smile

916
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 1: when you order and have a person standing outside during

917
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: lunch and just a bunch of other ship that you know,

918
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: all that please thank your serve, ma'am. Shit is it works, and.

919
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: That's why people love that.

920
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: That's why it's the only restaurant here that has a

921
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: fucking line into the street every day.

922
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 3: Like this, it'd be a line of cars back down

923
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 3: the road. Then it be a line of people bagged

924
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 3: out beside the cars. Like you walk up and you

925
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 3: have two people out there with like these little clipboards

926
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: ringing in your orders and the what is it the

927
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 3: counter at the drive through thing ring your ors? We

928
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 3: got like three orders come in at the same time, like, yeah,

929
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: cause I been trying to get to all that money.

930
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 3: So in that case, like you say, and I know,

931
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a hypocrite or what, but

932
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 3: I understand that I wanted to deal with that. Yeah,

933
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 3: because don't no aboty want to deal with somebody that

934
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 3: don't want to be there a nasty attitude like you,

935
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 3: like I'm not as well do the computer.

936
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just think in general, they like McDonald's, is

937
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: all about how can we give you the less the least,

938
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:20,439
Speaker 1: And that's kind of that will always be the thing

939
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: that holds them back. And there's nothing less than the

940
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: fucking giving a giving people less money, like you know

941
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: what I mean, There's nothing less than a robot. Like

942
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: a robot never complains, It never needs a break, it

943
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: never has to Yeah, it doesn't worry about overtime. Yeah,

944
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: And they'll fucking robot people right out of a job

945
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: if they have to, right.

946
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 3: And the thing is, these people, like a lot of shit.

947
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: People don't disappear just because you put something in their place.

948
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. They made a joke on Twitter about Chick fil

949
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: A versus McDonald's. I thought it was funny.

950
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: I'll show it to you that queen.

951
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 6: My name is Bob, and thank you for choosing the

952
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 6: one and the only.

953
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 7: Well.

954
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 6: We never want you to be lonely. If you want

955
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 6: a horse, we will buy you a pony your Chick

956
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 6: fil a.

957
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: It is eighty three degrees.

958
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 6: Fahrenheit TWOARLD twenty six pm and the presence of the

959
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 6: Lord is here. What can I get for you?

960
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 8: Can?

961
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: Number one?

962
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 3: Please?

963
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: You definitely can?

964
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 6: It is a god given rights, sister. Nothing will make

965
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 6: me happier than to prepare this meal for you. I

966
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 6: also throw in a number two for you for free,

967
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 6: for free, yes, for free. Would you like extra sauce

968
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 6: as well? How about a house? We'll buy you a house,

969
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 6: a new car, a new Saul, whatever you want.

970
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 3: Go ahead, I.

971
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 6: Said, go ahead, bitch, one second, please damn bow ahead?

972
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 6: Is wig wearing a whole hurry up?

973
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: Excuse me? Can I have some extra?

974
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 3: No?

975
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: Can I have no? Can?

976
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 6: I you don't even know what I was finna say?

977
00:50:59,400 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: All right?

978
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 6: What you just gonna say?

979
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 3: Can I?

980
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: Can I speak with the manager? Please? We don't got

981
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 1: no manager. How y'all ain't got no manager?

982
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 6: Bye?

983
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 3: But holler what I've seen that?

984
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: But it is like a huge difference in customer service

985
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: and shit, it'll be interesting to see if other restaurants

986
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 1: follow suits, because McDonald's, to me, is the one that

987
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: the most would be likely to do something like this

988
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: because it's so anti worker, there's so anti taking care

989
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,479
Speaker 1: of people. But I just ultimately wonder is this good

990
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: for society and humanity. We'll see, you know, maybe people

991
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: are better off without these jobs because all they really

992
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: do is hurt the They really just exploit laborers.

993
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: It's not like anyone really makes it with these jobs.

994
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: The myth of the fry cook who becomes Calvin the

995
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: managers is this dead yeah.

996
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 3: And the thing is, it's a catch twenty two when

997
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 3: it comes to this because a lot of the people

998
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 3: that are gonna lose their job are gonna be women,

999
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 3: a lot of people because you know, people go and

1000
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 3: black and brown people right, and black and brown people

1001
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 3: and people go, Well, minimum wage job's men, for sure.

1002
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 3: The motherfucking McDonald's's got damn twenty four hours, twenty four

1003
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 3: hours a day. Ain't no teenager in then, no fucking

1004
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 3: one am. It's fucking adults in this bitch. So it's

1005
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 3: more adults that work the job than children, and if

1006
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 3: you're under a certain age, you can only do so much,

1007
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: you know, And a lot of teenagers will look be like, bitch,

1008
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 3: don't work out them all. You got teenagers that if

1009
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 3: we're refuse to work and I don't blame the non

1010
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 3: time and funded, they'd be like, I'm not going out

1011
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 3: there getting oily and greasy and smell like fucking Big

1012
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 3: Max all day.

1013
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's talk about other stuff. So there

1014
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: was a woman who was on a plane and she

1015
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: gave somebody her her seed or some shit so she

1016
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: could sit together or whatever with this dude. And then

1017
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: they watched the woman and her sit together. The woman

1018
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: and the dude sit together, took pictures of them, and

1019
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: she tweeted like a big ass thread about them falling

1020
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: in love and some type of love connection that she

1021
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: just thinks she made for this person. And when I

1022
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: saw it the first like my first thought, not like

1023
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: like like she.

1024
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 2: Was talking about how cute it was.

1025
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: Everybody was sharing it, and I didn't even say nothing,

1026
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: because I don't want to be that guy, because I

1027
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: hate being the fucking Debbie Downer ass nigga.

1028
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 2: But I was like, isn't that kind of a weird, gross.

1029
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: Violation of this person's privacy and to add all this stuff,

1030
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: like at one point she said that they went her,

1031
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: the guy and the woman who just met on the

1032
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: plane went to the bathroom together and plyining it they

1033
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: went and had sex, which you just no way you

1034
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: could have known that.

1035
00:53:58,280 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was a call.

1036
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: The saga was called hashtag plane bay, and then we're

1037
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: viral on social Media's Rosie Blair documented on Twitter what

1038
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: she presented as a love connection between strangers, a man

1039
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: and a woman sitting in front of her airplane. Now

1040
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: for the first time, the woman involved in the plane

1041
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: base sa has broken her silence, and she says being

1042
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: an unwitting part of this social media phenomenon has had

1043
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: serious consequences for her in the real world. I did

1044
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: not ask for and do not seek attention, a woman

1045
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: dubbed hashtag pretty plain Girl by social media said in

1046
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: a statement provided to Business Insider by her lawyer, Wesley Mullen,

1047
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: plane Bay is not a romance. It's a digital age

1048
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: cautionary tale about privacy, identity, ethics, and consent. Business Insiders

1049
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: verified that she is a woman from the Twitter post.

1050
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: We have not published her name. I respect for her

1051
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 1: desire for privacy, but you can read a full statement

1052
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: at the end of the story. Now, the thing is

1053
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: the woman who initially posted it. Not only did she

1054
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: post it with like kind of pictures of the woman's

1055
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: side of her face and her body and then adventure

1056
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: pictures are her full that face and body she went

1057
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 1: to look at their bags and shit. But she also

1058
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: told her Twitter users sarcastic was like, go find her, like,

1059
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: ha ha, wouldn't it be funny? And they, of course

1060
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 1: they wouldn't found her. You know, it's not that he's

1061
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: hard to find people on the Internet. We all have

1062
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 1: seen it happen time and time again at this point.

1063
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, if people want to find you, they will.

1064
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: In the contrast, the woman's playing Bay counterpart, who was

1065
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: a former pro soccer player named Juan Holden. He embraced

1066
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: his newfound celebrity and even appeared on The Today Show.

1067
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: At the Blair's Twitter post went viral, the woman quickly

1068
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: went to ground, deleting her social media accounts in an

1069
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: a tenth of preserve her privacy. Still, it didn't stop

1070
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: some Internet users from finding and circulating her personal information. Yeah,

1071
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 1: they doxed her strangers publicly discussed my private life based

1072
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: on patently false information. She said, I've been Doc Shane

1073
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: and Sulta and harassed you. People are calling her a

1074
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: slut and a whore because the woman said she went

1075
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: to the bathroom with the guy, implying they went and

1076
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: fucked or something. Larwyors have come looking for me online

1077
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: in the real world. How scary is that? Imagine the

1078
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: motherfuckers show up at your job because someone else decided

1079
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: that it was cute to take pictures of you on

1080
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: a plane. The Playing based sparked the sizeable backlashes, putting

1081
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: the casual social media users alike wonder whether it was

1082
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,240
Speaker 1: reasonable for a person expected to be film photographed, otherwise

1083
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: recorded in public at all times for the purpose of

1084
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: providing someone else with social media content. Blairder leaded the

1085
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: original Playing Bay post earlier this week and apologize for

1086
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: what she said she had come to see as an

1087
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: invasion of of strangers privacy. The last thing I want

1088
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: to do is remove agency and autonomy from another woman,

1089
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: Blair road in her apology. I wish I could communicate

1090
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: the shame I feel, and haven't done this, but I

1091
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 1: truly feel at this point my feelings are irrelevant. Earlier today,

1092
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 1: Holding posted his own reflection on the plane bay Saga

1093
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: in the backlash, called an incredibly humbling experience. Yeah, like

1094
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 1: I said, it was always kind of weird to me,

1095
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: you know, like it's not like you went to like

1096
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: a party or something, or like a social event where

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00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: everyone's got their phones out. You're at the club or

1098
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: something like people everyone's gonna be taking people pictures. I think,

1099
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, a plane is a pretty reasonable place to

1100
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: expect somebody not to like take pictures of you and

1101
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: create a whole fucking narrative to tell people. Social media

1102
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: visibility even when you it's not always a positive thing.

1103
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: It's very often a negative thing, and somebody that has

1104
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,959
Speaker 1: some it's not good all the time. Like like even

1105
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: with my Twitter shit, when some goes viral for my page,

1106
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: I norly mute it cause I don't want to see

1107
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: the responses to it because eventually it turns into harassment

1108
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,959
Speaker 1: no matter what, Like it could be the nicest thing, y'all.

1109
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: Think of the nicest fucking thing you can say that

1110
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: everybody can agree about. If motherfucking like if I just said, oh,

1111
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: the sun's out, nice day, and that shit went viral.

1112
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: Let's say a million people saw it. I'm gonna start

1113
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: getting responses that are just like, nigger, kill yourself. It's

1114
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: raining where I'm at. Why the sun not last night?

1115
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: It was just the moon. You know, it's just gonna

1116
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: be harassing type shit over and over and over again.

1117
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: It's not just one person, it's always a lot of people.

1118
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: And that's just a viral tweet. Imagine that it was

1119
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: your face, your body. The woman said what her plane

1120
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: was coming to and from. She challenged her people to

1121
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: find this woman, and they did. You know, because a

1122
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: lot of Plaine information is available online. If you just

1123
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: have the plane flight number and shit like that, you

1124
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: can find that shit. So, yeah, it was. It was

1125
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,439
Speaker 1: very fucked up. It's very crash, you know. And when

1126
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: the thing that's wild is when she first got told like, hey,

1127
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: this kind of fucked up. You might want to think

1128
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: about this again and take this down, she flipped out

1129
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: on people like, nah, fuck that shit, like I'm right,

1130
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: y'all wrong, why y'all? Basically like why y'all hating? You know,

1131
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: I just love love, And she made it all about

1132
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: her and then you know, eventually this woman got to

1133
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,959
Speaker 1: speak for herself. That was the quote unquote pretty Plaine Bay.

1134
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: And then and then it was like, oh, well maybe

1135
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: I did the wrong thing you think, you know, And

1136
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: it's not like this woman was out somewhere acting racist

1137
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: or some shit where, yeah, you got exposed, but you

1138
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: just called everybody in Whole Foods a fucking nigger behind

1139
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: the counter. Like it wasn't even like that. This is

1140
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 1: just like a mind of my business. We didn't even

1141
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: have an interaction. You know. It would be like if

1142
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: somebody just overheard a conversation and just start.

1143
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 2: Taking pictures of people.

1144
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: You know, It's just kind of a weird thing. Also,

1145
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: she could have told that story without saying a woman's name,

1146
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: without taking a picture any of this shit. She could

1147
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: have just told this story that she made up in

1148
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: her mind, by the way, because she didn't really have

1149
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: any evidence this is.

1150
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 2: Some type of love connection bullshit. She could have made

1151
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: this story.

1152
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: Up on her own and it went viral and she

1153
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: The worst part was she was like opportunistically on Twitter

1154
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: talking like hey, act Okay, I'm trying can y'all hire me.

1155
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get some basically, get some publicity from this.

1156
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a job from this, like she tried.

1157
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't just about oh, I shared a cute story.

1158
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: It was like, and how can I monetize this shit?

1159
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: Someone else's story? By the way, then I just made

1160
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: up like like it's levels to this shit, But it's

1161
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,439
Speaker 1: just it was just so weird and foul and such

1162
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: a statement on where we are today as the Internet

1163
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: and the monsters that people can kind of become behind

1164
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: the phone because you can just you know, like a

1165
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: lot of things, and with social media you can just

1166
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: attribute your own story to it. You know, like I

1167
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: know people hate this party or this phrasing, but when

1168
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,919
Speaker 1: I say like, social media isn't real, the Internet isn't real.

1169
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that people aren't real. People are real,

1170
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: but social media isn't the full picture. It's not the

1171
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: whole story, and it allows people to be manipulative of

1172
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: what they want you to see and what they think

1173
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: about people. You can just cherry pick certain information from folks.

1174
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: Now you could do it in real life, but it's

1175
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: a lot harder. You know, like if I wasn't there

1176
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: to hear Karen say blankety blank, and you say what

1177
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: Karen said blankety blank?

1178
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 2: It's not the same as like showing me a screenshot.

1179
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: Right, correct, But this is the shit I'm talking about

1180
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: when I'm like, it's not real. This woman made this

1181
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: shit up and fucked up this woman's life, this other

1182
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: woman's life. Why Like you could have just like you

1183
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: could have just been on the plane and kept that

1184
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: story to yourself or been on the plane and not

1185
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: included pictures and names and shit and just be like, oh, yeah,

1186
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: this is a cute story.

1187
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 2: I think this happened, you know, But she needed to

1188
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 2: live tweet the.

1189
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: Plane internet, using the plane's internet to be like, see,

1190
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: look at this, I made a love connection. It was

1191
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 1: just so gross and knowing how people do women anyway,

1192
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: Like you can get rap and death threats and shit

1193
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: like who knows that this woman got, you know, But yeah,

1194
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: so she wanted to remain anonymous, and I think people

1195
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: are undervalue anonymity at this Everybody has this assumption that

1196
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: everybody's walking around trying to.

1197
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 3: Be famous, and everybody's not right, Like there is this.

1198
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: Big assumption like we're all just sitting around looking for

1199
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: the next hits. Like now everybody's a working for themselves,

1200
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: everybody's a brand, everybody's a digital content creator.

1201
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 3: Some people just want to be on the internet and

1202
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 3: enjoy the internet like everybody else. But they still want

1203
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 3: to work their regular nine to five. They still want

1204
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 3: to keep their job. They ain't out here harassing nobody,

1205
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 3: but they want to enjoy the internet.

1206
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like there's a lot of weird rules with

1207
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: the like what you can do take people's pictures in

1208
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: public and stuff like that. There's I mean, but there's

1209
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: like still a morality like just because something's legal, don't

1210
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: make it right, you know, just because they ain't made

1211
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: a law against it yet. Because the internet's the wild

1212
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: wild West, it doesn't exactly make everything you do right.

1213
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: And when you know better, you should do better. But

1214
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: like I said, this woman doubled down on that shit,

1215
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: you know, But it just it felt like a foreseeable

1216
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: circumstance and that when people told her about it, she

1217
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: didn't give a fuck until enough people told her about it.

1218
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 2: Then it was I'm so sorry.

1219
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 3: No, And she didn'tgat fuck because you know, a fucking

1220
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 3: lawsuit is coming because I would sue the fuck out

1221
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 3: of her because the thing is and I said this online,

1222
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 3: I do believe this's doxing people. As far as putting

1223
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 3: people's address on a public platform should be a fucking

1224
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 3: federal crime. You should go to goddamn jail for that.

1225
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 3: For putting people's address, like their home addresses out there,

1226
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 3: you should go to jail. Well, she didn't do that, No,

1227
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 3: she didn't do it, but the people that did do

1228
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 3: it need to be able to accountable.

1229
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's gonna be interesting with that one, because,

1230
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: like I said, when somebody does some racist shit, I

1231
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: definitely don't feel that way. So I don't know, like

1232
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,959
Speaker 1: you out here calling a little black girl nigger, calling

1233
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: the cops, or some kid selling lemonade and your name

1234
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: get out there.

1235
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 3: Like like for me, that's for me, that's different.

1236
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:07,919
Speaker 1: And the reason why is.

1237
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 2: The La'm not gonna look at it that way.

1238
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: If you pass some type of federal crime law, it

1239
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: is gonna say both of y'all niggas going to jail.

1240
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: The person that docks the woman on the plane and

1241
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: the person that docks the person that called the little

1242
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: black boy nigger at the pool, y'all both go in jail.

1243
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, cause white people make the laws.

1244
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1245
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's not gonna be this because.

1246
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 3: It always gotta be two sizes to every fucking story.

1247
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 3: But still there's near to be something because fuck, I mean, shit, shit,

1248
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 3: just I mean, my information get out down, So I

1249
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 3: gotta do people harassing me.

1250
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: There's no repercussions.

1251
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 3: I got to fucking back up and move because motherfuckers

1252
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 3: is showing them my godamn house and showing them I'm

1253
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 3: a job. I gotta fucking be scared all the time.

1254
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 3: I don't know what's gonna happen, and everybody go, well,

1255
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 3: oh well, this is what you deserve them what you

1256
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 3: ask for the hell I did.

1257
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying that you asked for that or

1258
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: that that's okay, just saying once you start getting the

1259
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: fees involved, it ain't gonna go how you think.

1260
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 3: That's what I agree, because now I wasn't thinking from

1261
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 3: that perspective the.

1262
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: Permit, Patty. Motherfucker's gonna be just as right, just as

1263
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: righteous about getting your ass thrown in prison as you know,

1264
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: justin Sacho or whatever the fuck, or you know, or

1265
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: playing bay So. But there should be some harassment laws

1266
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: and ship obviously, and they do have some, but it's

1267
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: not in the books in every state.

1268
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 2: It's not federal, And I mean a lot of times, even.

1269
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: When a person literally threatens people, like the guy who

1270
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: shopped that newspaper, that News State newspaper last month, he

1271
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: threatened them and went to court for it, and in

1272
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: court said he was going to hurt them, and the

1273
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: police did not feel it was.

1274
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 2: A credible threat. So like, we're totally not prepared.

1275
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: For just the advent of the internet, and you know,

1276
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: especially with availability of weapons and ship we're just not

1277
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: prepared that now.

1278
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 3: Now, that part that that's true, and and and and

1279
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 3: and and I guess for and I guess for me

1280
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 3: just is knowing that most people to get docs of

1281
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 3: women so nobody gets a fuck. Most people to get

1282
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,439
Speaker 3: that information out there are women. Most men are And

1283
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 3: that's the part that this very fucking frustrating and upsets

1284
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 3: me because you go into the patriarchy. I want to

1285
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 3: threaten her, I want her to shut up, I want

1286
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 3: her to go away. It's always uses a form of

1287
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 3: an attack on a woman. And that's the that's the

1288
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 3: part that makes me upset about it. And like I said, okay,

1289
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 3: not federal state. I mean it needs to be some

1290
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 3: consequences to you putting somebody's address, telephone numbers, for security

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01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 3: and birth certificate online.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Like I said, it's just what are

1293
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: we what are you gonna Are you gonna feel that

1294
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: way when it's you know, somebody's right painting a nigger

1295
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: on the side of somebody's house and they get docs.

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01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 2: Are you gonna feel that way?

1297
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: You know? Are you gonna have that same energy about

1298
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: them spending some black person in the prison because they

1299
01:06:51,000 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: put this, you know, racist cops docs? They docks them.

1300
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm asking, are you asking?

1301
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you gonna feel the same way?

1302
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 3: And to me, like I said, maybe I'm just weird.

1303
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 3: I go home addresses like like I not know.

1304
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: It's other forms of address.

1305
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 3: Now, I don't want you putting their home address out

1306
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 3: there either. No, And for me, that energy goes on

1307
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 3: both sides, like jobs is one thing, like like like

1308
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 3: jobs is one thing, you know, public, that's one thing.

1309
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 3: But when it comes to somebody's home, No, I don't

1310
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 3: want people showing up at their houses like I don't

1311
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 3: want nobody showing up at nobody's brown's house, like a

1312
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 3: brown person house. Like for me, and that I said,

1313
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 3: I'm not the one making the rule, but that rule

1314
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 3: will be across the line. You know your job is

1315
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 3: a whole nother thing. Like because your job is public,

1316
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 3: people can find an information, but your home where you live, No, No.

1317
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: I don't even think for your job then, I mean,

1318
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: what's the difference between someone's showing up at your job

1319
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: or your house if they want to harm you?

1320
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 3: And I think for me, for me, if the offense

1321
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 3: happened at your job, yeah, you need to be help

1322
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,479
Speaker 3: you at work. Yes, and it gets caught at the job, Yes,

1323
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,479
Speaker 3: your job needs to be held accountable for your actions.

1324
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 2: Let's say it's not it don't happen at your job.

1325
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: Let's say it happens in your personal life, and they

1326
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: doc docta where you work.

1327
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 3: And see and see for me like like for me,

1328
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 3: that's where it becomes if you because and and I

1329
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 3: can I say it and maybe I'm a widow. I

1330
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 3: just have a problem with just because, like I said,

1331
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:33,480
Speaker 3: it's something that I've really been like thinking about, like analyzing,

1332
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 3: Like where do you draw a line on this, because

1333
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 3: like you said, right now, it's no line. Right now,

1334
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 3: it's a free fall. It's no line. It's whatever happens happens.

1335
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 3: And because white people write laws, everything has it. Everything's

1336
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 3: gonna be tweetd equally regardless if it's racist, if it's

1337
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 3: not racist, they have to well they don't have to,

1338
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 3: but they will apply to law evenly, and a lot

1339
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 3: of times when they make these laws, brown people gonna

1340
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 3: get punished at a higher purson and is right because

1341
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 3: you know, you know, because white people are like, fucking

1342
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 3: we can do what we want to and everybody else

1343
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 3: just have to deal with it. It's very complex, and

1344
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 3: I don't I'm not the one who's gonna have to

1345
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 3: make the law on it, but I do think that

1346
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 3: there needs to be something in place, something the whole

1347
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 3: people are accountable.

1348
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 1: M Yeah, I'm as conflicted as you are on it.

1349
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: I don't really know, Like I don't feel comfortable one

1350
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: way or the other. I don't want them to be

1351
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 1: a law passed necessarily because I know that if you

1352
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 1: do pass a lot, there's certain types of crimes in

1353
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: our society that will never be checked. And when sometimes

1354
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: the quote unquote vigilante justice is the only thing, the

1355
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: only recourse we have. And if it wasn't for the Internet,

1356
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 1: outing these people is their names and where they work

1357
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,839
Speaker 1: at and shit, we literally would have no recourse because

1358
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 1: these stories, even though they go viral, the fucking newspaper

1359
01:09:56,200 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: doesn't really necessarily look these people up and in these

1360
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: companies if they're not held like to a standard of

1361
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: being like, oh, this person works for us. We don't

1362
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: want this racist motherfucker working for us, then they won't

1363
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: do it, you know. So I don't even know. I

1364
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: don't feel so strongly about either part of it. Like

1365
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 1: I think I feel strongly about the idea of people

1366
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: harassing folks via the Internet. I think doxing is one

1367
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 1: of the weirdest crimes because doxing in itself is not

1368
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: the threat correct and most I hate to tell people this,

1369
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: I hope y'all already know, but almost every person on

1370
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 1: the internet is it's easy to find where y'all live

1371
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,680
Speaker 1: and stay and where you're Like, it's way easier than you.

1372
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 3: Think, right, truth be told, And we may have said this, boy,

1373
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 3: there are websites and stuff where you can go google

1374
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 3: your name, your family.

1375
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 1: So the idea that doxing is such a mental crime

1376
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 1: because it's essentially singling you out normally from people that

1377
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,799
Speaker 1: can't be singled out because they're anonymous and they're reveling

1378
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: in their anonymity on the Internet, saying because you chose

1379
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: to be somebody, because you chose to say something I

1380
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: disagree with, I'm gonna let people know where you are.

1381
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: But the problem with that is in most cases, and

1382
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: I hate to I hate to say this because I'm

1383
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to downplay, but docting is not really

1384
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: the harm mm hmm, Like it's like, very rarely does

1385
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: somebody that got docs actually have a true threat. It's

1386
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: a it's the mental anguish of what they do to you.

1387
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: It's the it's a very it's a very u intrusive

1388
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: thing to do to a person, but it's not an

1389
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 1: actual Like that's why the police don't even really go

1390
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,719
Speaker 1: on it too much. Like you can call the polici

1391
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: and get a lawyer and shit, but most of them

1392
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: are gonna be like, well, don't worry about it, because

1393
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna let me know it's on threatens to do

1394
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 1: something to you. And even then they'll some of those threats,

1395
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: they won't see it's credible. You're kind of out here

1396
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: on your own. And that's the big realization. I think

1397
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 1: that bothers people about it. You know, it's the mental

1398
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: health aspect of it, cause like if somebody threatened to

1399
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: like kill me or whatever, that yeah, they might not

1400
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: kill me, but it bothers me that they could. I guess,

1401
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, right, I mean, just doing this podcast, I've

1402
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 1: been threatened before, you know, like people have said they

1403
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: were gonna get me, they were gonna find a way

1404
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: to do something to me. And it's so sad to say,

1405
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 1: but I've had to just live with it, right, And

1406
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: like I just think about the fact that it pretty

1407
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:40,719
Speaker 1: much never happens to anyone, and then if it happens

1408
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: to me, I just gotta be ready, you know. That's it, right.

1409
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,759
Speaker 3: And it's also one of the things too, to where

1410
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 3: the more and more I think about it, it's kind

1411
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 3: of hard because the more and more I think about it,

1412
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 3: just being black is almost doxing because my existence is

1413
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 3: a problem for a lot of people. So, you know,

1414
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 3: black people wake up every day with the possibility that

1415
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 3: I might get put over by police officer. So most

1416
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 3: of us don't, but we still wake up with that threat,

1417
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 3: and we still have that fear, that that overwhelming fear

1418
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 3: that that wraps itself around us.

1419
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 1: You know, most people, particularly.

1420
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 3: With everybody calling the cops on you for just fucking

1421
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 3: exist thing. You go, okay, if I go anywhere to

1422
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 3: Moody might call the cops. You got the other fuck it.

1423
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 3: I can't not live my life because of what you're

1424
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 3: gonna do. And it's one of those things where it's

1425
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 3: sad but you but to an extent you almost have

1426
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 3: to be like that about docs and you gotta go

1427
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 3: okay if something happened, it's just my motherfucking time to go,

1428
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 3: because I can't live in a bubble based off of

1429
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 3: what somebody may do.

1430
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: It's just weird because like, how enforceable would a law

1431
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: be that said you can't docs people? You know? Somebody

1432
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 1: said somebody's on Twitter with a like these social media

1433
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: tools enable this, like you you know, and and honestly,

1434
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 1: there's arguments for why, like social media could end harassment

1435
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: if they want it. For the just put period, point blank.

1436
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 1: The problem is it's a lot of work. The second

1437
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: problem is it's probably gonna add some cost prohibitive access

1438
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: prohibitive measures in there that a lot of people don't

1439
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 1: want to use, and a lot of people feel like

1440
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: the cash twenty two is I like the anonymity it

1441
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,560
Speaker 1: can serve a purpose. What if I want to report

1442
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: somebody who sexually assaulted a person, and I don't want

1443
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: to put my name on it, but I want the

1444
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 1: community to know that this person is whatever the fuck,

1445
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna create an anonymous account, I'm gonna say something

1446
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: on a medium post without putting my name to it.

1447
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 1: That kind of thing, you know. So it's just like you,

1448
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,759
Speaker 1: we don't know, is the point. So, but I feel

1449
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:39,600
Speaker 1: the same trepidation you have about which is why I

1450
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: was asking all those questions because I don't know either.

1451
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 3: I don't have an answer to it.

1452
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I know, if I know for a fact,

1453
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 1: if I see fucking permit pool Patty get get docked,

1454
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: I don't care. And I'm not even gonna pretend that

1455
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 1: I care. I'm not even about to perform that shit

1456
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 1: or whatever the fuck. I'm like, Oh, you're gonna call

1457
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 1: the police on an eight year old black girl for

1458
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 1: selling watered. I don't care that we know where you work.

1459
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 1: I don't care that you lost your job. I don't

1460
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: care if they find your home address. I don't give

1461
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 1: a fuck. I hope you do stay up at night

1462
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 1: and worry about the shit that you did and that's

1463
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: that puritanical, mean part of me that wants like some

1464
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 1: semblance of justice, even if it's vigilante justice, because I

1465
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: know we're not getting criminal justice. I know we're not

1466
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 1: getting civil justice never, So I just want this person

1467
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 1: to suffer. I can be honest about that while also

1468
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 1: being like, I don't know that that's a good impulse,

1469
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: but at least I'm being fucking honest about it, because

1470
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: it feel like a lot of people just lie correct

1471
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: and perform this whole Like I'm totlly comfortable with this.

1472
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: You're not comfortable with it's somebody, Like you're not comfortable

1473
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 1: when you agree with the person and they get doted, and.

1474
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 3: You're not comfortable if it's you, and you're not.

1475
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: Comfortable if it's you. But at the same time, I

1476
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 1: am comfortable when it's George m Men And I don't

1477
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: even know what to say about it. You know. It's

1478
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: something like as much as people got mad at jay

1479
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:58,759
Speaker 1: Z for saying that line, nigga, I agree with that line,

1480
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 1: Like I don't know how Zem is still alive, you know,

1481
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 1: like if motherfuckers are just taking people's lives over some bullshit,

1482
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: this nigga done more than enough. There's so many people

1483
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 1: on this planet where I'm just like, I'm a gas

1484
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 1: at just like what they do for a living at

1485
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 1: how the fuck they treat and talk to people and

1486
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 1: do shit, and they just walking around like nothing can

1487
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 1: happen to them, and the world rewards that. You know,

1488
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,560
Speaker 1: Tommy Lauren ain't worried about nothing happened to her. She

1489
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: had a drink throw in her hand, Like that's the

1490
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: big come up is for basically essentially inciting violence against

1491
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 1: black people. That's her come up, and she does that

1492
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: for a living and she doesn't even believe in it.

1493
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: And culture is flying fucking probably first class everywhere. You know,

1494
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 1: there's all these bad people to just keep fucking winning

1495
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 1: and they don't care. And I've never seen their address anywhere.

1496
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 1: I've never seen them docs, you know what I mean.

1497
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I don't know. It makes

1498
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: me angry, but I don't even know what to do

1499
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: about it, you know, but I feel I feel what

1500
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 1: you're saying, though it's it's a violation of a of

1501
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 1: a weird type, because that's not even the threat. The

1502
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 1: threat is just now people can find where you are

1503
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: if they want, if someone's crazy and what's such a

1504
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:17,679
Speaker 1: crazy gun nut country. It's like, damn, they can do that. Yep,

1505
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: all right, let's got the next segment. I got to

1506
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: turn the bottom down. My bad. Sorry, Jeff, that's all me.

1507
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:55,639
Speaker 5: Sorry man.

1508
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:57,600
Speaker 3: We next, we need to record a little version of that.

1509
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's taking out the trash time guy. There's a

1510
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 1: lot of trash going on. Let's talk about it. Henry Cavill,

1511
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: who you guys ain't know as Superman, he gonna be

1512
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: in that mission impossible. Yep. Well, he had an impossible

1513
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: mission talking about the me Too movement without making me

1514
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: and the victim. Yeah, he had to apologize for some

1515
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:23,919
Speaker 1: comments that he said when doing an interview with GQ Australia.

1516
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 1: He basically was talking about how his comment, well, he

1517
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: had to apologize because he says comments about the me

1518
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: Too movement with a little too far. So now he's

1519
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: walking it back. The mission impossible Fallout star said that

1520
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: the told the GQ Australia that the METO movement has

1521
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: made him afraid to flirt with women and his comments

1522
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 1: didn't sit well with the Internet. It's very difficult to

1523
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 1: do to do that if there are certain rules in

1524
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 1: place talking about flirting with women. Actually, it was even

1525
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: worse than us. I heard the full context of the quote. Actually,

1526
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: let me see if I can find it, because the

1527
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 1: full quote is even worse. The like the part they

1528
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 1: took away was like okay, but yeah, they said stuff

1529
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 1: has to change, absolutely addressing men's behavior. It's important to

1530
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 1: also retain the good things which were quality of the past,

1531
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:17,879
Speaker 1: and get rid of the bad things. There's something wonderful

1532
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 1: about a man chasing a woman. There's a traditional approach

1533
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:22,719
Speaker 1: to that, which is nice. I think a woman should

1534
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 1: be wooed and chased. But maybe I'm a old fashioned

1535
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 1: for thinking that. You know, if he had stopped there,

1536
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:31,600
Speaker 1: I can understand people being like, well, yeah, it's just

1537
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: a preference, and some women like being chased, and he

1538
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: just need to find them women because and some women don't, right,

1539
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: some women don't. But there's somebody for everybody. Blah blah blah.

1540
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: Well he keeps going so we can be clear. Okay.

1541
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 1: It's very difficult to do that if there are certain

1542
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: rules in place, because then it's like, well, I don't

1543
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 1: want to go up and talk there because I'm gonna

1544
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 1: get called a rapist or something. How did we get here?

1545
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1546
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 2: Now you go up and talk to a woman and

1547
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 2: she's just like.

1548
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 3: Rap I agree, shot, I'm disacquainted.

1549
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 1: You guys, have ever been accused of being a rapist

1550
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 1: because you walked up to a woman and said, Hey, no,

1551
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,839
Speaker 1: can I buy you a drink? You mother fucking rapist?

1552
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: If you don't get the fuck off of me, I

1553
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 1: can't believe you will come up in here and ask

1554
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 1: to buy me a.

1555
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 3: Drink at the club and you are who you are.

1556
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 1: Women throw themselves at you. Henry Cavill, rapist. All these

1557
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 1: white Hollywood dudes say that shit being athletic Matt Damon.

1558
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 1: It's like for the first time they all aware their

1559
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 1: male privileging, and then it become.

1560
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 2: Like, y'all just think I'm a rapier. Well yeah they do.

1561
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: I mean men, dude, a lot of rapist, But not

1562
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 1: because you said, hey, you do some rapist shit. I

1563
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 1: tell you what to make people think you might be

1564
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 1: a rapist saying shit like this, right, Sometimes I think

1565
01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: women get confused with me hitting on them and me

1566
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 1: being a rapist. Okay, well you should definitely not hit

1567
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:07,679
Speaker 1: on people because you ain't doing it right. No, girl,

1568
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 1: your hair look good. Uh. Wow, I can't believe he

1569
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 1: just tried to rape me. Wow, I mean, what's happening?

1570
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,639
Speaker 3: Is she dick talking to me? I mean, I don't understand.

1571
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 3: I have a conversation with it, not you.

1572
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: That's a nice dress. Really sexual assault right here in

1573
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 1: front of everybody, Henry. Uh so you're like they Plus

1574
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 1: this also serves the whole, the whole like stereotype that

1575
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 1: women are sw irrational, emotional, over the top creatures that

1576
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: they they Ye, a man is so logical and reasonable.

1577
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 1: He just goes, hey, how you doing tonight, and she goes,

1578
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 1: You're a fucking rapist.

1579
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 3: Ah, so your runs out screaming.

1580
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 1: Right, he goes, So you're like, forget it, I'm gonna

1581
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 1: call an ex girlfriend instead and then just go back

1582
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 1: to a relationship which never really worked. But it's way

1583
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 1: safer to catch myself into the fires of hell because

1584
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 1: I'm someone in the public eye, and if I go

1585
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: and flirt with someone, then who knows what's gonna happen.

1586
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 1: Way to throw your ex girlfriend's under the bus. He's

1587
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 1: ex girl's girlfriend sending someone like who said that?

1588
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 4: Right?

1589
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:11,680
Speaker 1: What I do think about that?

1590
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:12,600
Speaker 2: His ex girlfriends?

1591
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: He just basically told him, whenever you get that you

1592
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 1: up call, that's me being like, I'm so scared to

1593
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: flirt with a new woman. I was just gonna fuck

1594
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 1: you and go back to our old problems where I

1595
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 1: teat you like shit right now. Now you said now, now,

1596
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 1: you can't really pursue any someone further than no. It's

1597
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: like okay, cool, but then there's like, oh, why'd you

1598
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 1: give up? And it's like, well, because I didn't want

1599
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 1: to go to jail because she said no, I.

1600
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 3: Angry shot. I'm disacquainted.

1601
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 1: Bro, what you're doing? I don't know. This is not

1602
01:22:55,439 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 1: my superman. Bro, what are you doing? Come on? Man?

1603
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:03,680
Speaker 1: And why does this happen with all these interviews? Like

1604
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 1: you must be so in the zone to be like this.

1605
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 1: No one's giving you the X name at the corner

1606
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: like no, Henry cut the throat chop motion, like nah, dog,

1607
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 1: chill out. We't don't go into the whole you know

1608
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 1: X name on the eighth ray. You know what I'm saying, doll,

1609
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 1: Let's just talk and we spoke more mission impossible when

1610
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: you live in them bubbles, dog, Yeah, Like why why

1611
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 1: would you?

1612
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 7: Man?

1613
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 3: He didn't run this, He didn't run his interview past

1614
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 3: the pop person. They didn't practice first.

1615
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 1: This is such an own goal. Man. You you don't

1616
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 1: have to do nothing. You can't be capful.

1617
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 3: Just be pretty.

1618
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 1: Walking to the ball with your shirt off.

1619
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:43,719
Speaker 3: You be straight, you will be Drawings would get thrown

1620
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 3: at you.

1621
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 1: What are we talking about here? All them crunches for what? Bruh?

1622
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 1: But yeah, he ended up apologizing. He said, I haven't

1623
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 1: seen the reaction to an article in particular about my

1624
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 1: feelings on dating at the Me Too movement. I just

1625
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: want to apologize for any confused in a misunderstanding this

1626
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 1: may have created, and sensitivity was absolutely not my attention.

1627
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 1: In light of this, I would like just like to

1628
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 1: clarify and confirm to all that I have always and

1629
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 1: will continue to hold women in the highest regard, no

1630
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 1: matter the type of relationship, whether it be a friendship, professional,

1631
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 1: or significant other. Never would I intend to dispect in

1632
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: any way, shape or form. U This experience has taught

1633
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 1: me a valuable lesson as to the context and nuance

1634
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 1: of editorial liberties. They said, what is happening here? That

1635
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: sounds like he's trying to imply like they should have

1636
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 1: cut that out of the article to spare me looking

1637
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 1: stupid like I can't. Actually, I trusted them and I

1638
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: said this shit and I thought it would be cool.

1639
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 1: But apparently we were still on the record. I look

1640
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 1: forward to clarifying my position in the future towards the subject.

1641
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 1: That is so no, nope, nope, nope, don't clarify, just

1642
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 1: leave it alone. It was pretty clear. It was pretty clear. Bro,

1643
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 1: you try to make a point that really is just

1644
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 1: mastering male fragility. It's just male fragility. Man, For once

1645
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,719
Speaker 1: in a lifetime, people are asking you to think about

1646
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 1: your actions towards the opposite called opposite, towards the people

1647
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:19,560
Speaker 1: you are pursuing to fuck right, just once in your lifetime.

1648
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 1: It's not even this land shed. It's so crazy. It

1649
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 1: is so crazy. The Me Too movement is like a watershed,

1650
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 1: landmark fucking movement, And all the movement is really saying

1651
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 1: is like, these niggas are people too when it comes

1652
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 1: to women. That's the whole movement. The whole movement is like, Yo,

1653
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 1: maybe we should listen to women that say they've been

1654
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 1: sexually assaulted and at least analyze what they're saying and

1655
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: if it's true. Yeah, I mean, that's just too much.

1656
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 1: Change what we're gonna do about the rapists? I mean, god,

1657
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 1: I mean what they supposed to just not have a

1658
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 1: job now because they raped a few people? This is all,

1659
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 1: This is all unit unees. You people are getting crazy.

1660
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 1: It's out of control. What about the PC mafia in

1661
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 1: the freedom of speeches and shit and like what right?

1662
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 3: And then when these same women look at you be like, well, motherfucker,

1663
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 3: are you a rapist? I whatever? But why the fuck

1664
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 3: are you defending them? You could have said nothing, And it's.

1665
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 1: All because you have to think about it a little bit,

1666
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 1: Like I'm The scary part to me is not that

1667
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 1: there's this like I mean, I do think there's a

1668
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 1: lot of fucking rapists out there.

1669
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I want to be clear.

1670
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 1: But the scary part to me isn't that there's a

1671
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 1: lot of rapists. It's that there's a lot of people

1672
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 1: that defend rapists period. Right. There's a lot of niggas

1673
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:39,640
Speaker 1: that don't rape people. There's a lot of women that

1674
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 1: don't rape anybody that will absolutely fucking stand their ground

1675
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 1: on a rape. Dude person accused the rate as if

1676
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 1: they were in the fucking room.

1677
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 2: It's insane. It's insane. You know what I got for you.

1678
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 1: If one of my friends gets accused of the right,

1679
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 1: the most I got for you.

1680
01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 2: I hope you didn't do it.

1681
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 1: That's it. That and followed by no comment if.

1682
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 2: I wasn't in the motherfucking room, that's what you're getting

1683
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 2: from ride. So don't rate nobody on my watch.

1684
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 1: Don't do it because I because one of you do it.

1685
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm telling I'm like this, nigga rapist. Don't fuck with me,

1686
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 1: don't hang with me. I don't want you around me,

1687
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 1: you fucking rapist piece of shit. But two, if you,

1688
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: if you get accused, don't come looking for me to

1689
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 1: be online talking about how great a person you are

1690
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:27,679
Speaker 1: and that you would never do some shit. I don't

1691
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 1: know what the fuck you were doing. Ain't around. Come on, fuck,

1692
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 1: I'm a psychic. Same motherfucking minority report. Nigga. You're on

1693
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 1: your own with that shit. You know that's some crazy shit.

1694
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 1: So I don't even understand how people can do that. Man.

1695
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 1: But anyway, a dude like Hearry Cavill may have never

1696
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: even done anything untowards towards women in this type of way,

1697
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 1: right to even be on the summer jam screen. As

1698
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 1: famous as he is, if he got some shit, it

1699
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 1: probably would have been out already. But let's say he

1700
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 1: doesn't have anything for just a just a thought exercise. Right,

1701
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 1: Let's say he doesn't have anything, then what the fuck

1702
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 1: you talking about? Hemmy, you been accused right yet? No?

1703
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 2: Then what the fuck you talking about?

1704
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 1: Have you ever hit on a woman? Yes? Then what

1705
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: the fuck are you talking about? I'm I'm gonna get

1706
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 1: accused of? Righty? What are you talking about? Right?

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01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 3: Does this shit that don't make no sense to me?

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01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 1: Who fear is this? Jesus christ Man? Good grief? Anyway? Man?

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01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:39,799
Speaker 1: He's yeah, this is bullshit. It's just bullshit, cause it's right.

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01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 1: You could have just sat there and said nothing. You

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01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 1: have to say shit?

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01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 3: Just be some pretty eye candy dog.

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01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 1: You don't have to say shit, man? All right? Who

1714
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 1: else is trash? Uh? There's a feminist apparel CEO who

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01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 1: fired his entire staff after they learned he was an

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01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 1: admitted sexual abuser.

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01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:02,839
Speaker 3: Oh that's open and open and shut for that bullshit?

1718
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 1: Ain't the employees of the popular clothing company Feminist Apparel?

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01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 3: That's the name of the gumber.

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01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 2: God damn white man?

1721
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 1: Right, so they thought they were creating tunes for resistance

1722
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:18,800
Speaker 1: to online stores.

1723
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 2: Violshirts and accessories which features.

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01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 1: Sayings like cats against cat calls and trans rights or

1725
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 1: human rights became staples at events like the Women's March

1726
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 1: and Pride. The brand of mass over three hundred and

1727
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 1: sixty thousand followers on Instagram and Facebook, and was behind

1728
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 1: viral moments like the no Cat Cow Zone signs which

1729
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: took over New York City. Plus every item sold helped

1730
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 1: support an independent artists and in many cases a partnering

1731
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 1: organization that would received part of the proceeds. It all

1732
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 1: came to a grinding halt June twenty eighteen when Feminist

1733
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:51,799
Speaker 1: Apparel staff discovered that the brand's co founder CEO Alan

1734
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 1: Martofel had an admitted history of sexually abusing women. In fact,

1735
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: he claims it's the reason why he started coming in

1736
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:00,720
Speaker 1: the first place. At the asking for his nation, all

1737
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 1: nine employees were fired without notice or severance. Only him

1738
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 1: and the outside consulted remained. Uh one number one. This

1739
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 1: is another example of like the wrong people try and

1740
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 1: be leaders. It's the craziest thing. It happens in every

1741
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:22,639
Speaker 1: space activism podcast. It does business, you name it. It's

1742
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:26,320
Speaker 1: always the motherfucker that it really does not have the

1743
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 1: moral standing to speak for everybody.

1744
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm gonna speak for women, Well, what's your history?

1745
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I sexually abuse some so I feel like,

1746
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 1: you know, I got the inside school, you know, I

1747
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:38,679
Speaker 1: should know how to tell you the tips and tricks.

1748
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start the feminist company.

1749
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 1: Like, I don't think you should be the one bro.

1750
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 1: Not you not you just seem like stay in your

1751
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 1: lane type of moves.

1752
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 3: I mean, give them money somebody else, But you don't

1753
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 3: need to be the pace.

1754
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 1: It is right, you know, like it's crazy. This is

1755
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 1: patriarchy and toxic masculine is fucking fine, it, says Rebecca Green,

1756
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 1: the company's now former art director. I feel righteous and angry.

1757
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 1: I feel supported by my coworkers and friends. I also

1758
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,640
Speaker 1: feel tired. I feel incredibly sorry knowing that there are

1759
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:08,600
Speaker 1: survivors in this office who were led to believe that

1760
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 1: their contributions to this company were directly going to create

1761
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 1: a safe space at a platform for survivors, feminists, and

1762
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:17,600
Speaker 1: marginalized identities. As an artist myself creating work based on

1763
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 1: my own experiences with the patriarchy, toxin masculinity and harassment

1764
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: for this company and by extension, this man, I feel

1765
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 1: used and willfully misled. On June twenty first, Feminist Apparel

1766
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 1: was tagging a Facebook post accusing Marto Fell of rape.

1767
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 1: The employees investigated and found a Facebook post that he

1768
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:35,679
Speaker 1: wrote in twenty thirteen that described his own sexual abuse

1769
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 1: of women, how he came to learn about rape culture,

1770
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 1: and that he was starting a company called Feminist Apparel

1771
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:44,599
Speaker 1: as his humble attempt to solve it. We are almost

1772
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 1: at the break. I will switch over. What Yeah, we

1773
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 1: will switch over and give you the rest of the

1774
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 1: details in a minute chat room live.

1775
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:55,959
Speaker 2: My god, this white man.

1776
01:31:57,800 --> 01:31:58,639
Speaker 1: I beat women.

1777
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 3: So I'm going to start a cop and it called

1778
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 3: don't beat them bitches to make amends for.

1779
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 1: What you're like? What the ike Turner Women's shelter? Yes?

1780
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 3: Like Turner?

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01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: Uh good? Greedy? Right? Well, what kind of man? What

1782
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 1: kind of person?

1783
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 2: I know what?

1784
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 1: I'm ready to take on the biggest challenge in the

1785
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 1: game keeping women safe. And I know because I've been

1786
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:26,760
Speaker 1: in dangering these bitches for years. You can count on me.

1787
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 3: You can count on me. I know all about it.

1788
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 1: Let me tell you how they be finding you'll addresses.

1789
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what's sight. How I know because

1790
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 1: I going on there? Okay, oh wow, uh we are

1791
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 1: We've all either faced this first hand, seen it or

1792
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 1: her first hand account of it, or are guilty of

1793
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 1: it ourselves. Martha Fell wrote in the post, I'm someone

1794
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 1: who's guilty of it. I've grinded up on women on

1795
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 1: buses at concerts without their consent. I made out with

1796
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,599
Speaker 1: the drunk chick at a party because it was easier.

1797
01:32:57,800 --> 01:32:59,640
Speaker 1: I put a woman's hand on my dick while she

1798
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 1: was sip. The long post, filled with statistics and a

1799
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 1: PSA for the majority of rapists are people you know

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01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 1: and trust, concludes with the announcement that the new company

1801
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 1: announcement that the new company and the ass to help

1802
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 1: him spread the word about it. It's interesting that people

1803
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:16,760
Speaker 1: worked there and didn't know this history. He seemed like

1804
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 1: he would lead with this. At what point did he

1805
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 1: stop putting this in the you.

1806
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 3: Know that company? Give you their.

1807
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 1: History right back orientation.

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01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 3: Yes, back in nineteen eighty two, our company got started

1809
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 3: because our founder had a vision in the dream and

1810
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:34,839
Speaker 3: they wanted to make the world a better.

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01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:40,600
Speaker 1: Place after rapis. Several women I decided no more so

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01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:41,439
Speaker 1: here feminists.

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01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:45,679
Speaker 2: Where is everybody going? Excuse me, excuse me every male?

1814
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I mean, what's happening here? I mean,

1815
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 3: isn't this what everybody does?

1816
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 1: Right? Lock the doors, they gotta stay.

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01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 2: I don't respect no.

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01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:56,559
Speaker 1: Uh, this is a far crow from the original store

1819
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 1: origin store the team had been told. In interviews, he

1820
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:00,799
Speaker 1: said he came up with the idea for feminist apparel

1821
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 1: in college while brainstorming for a documentary he was making

1822
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 1: about sexual assault.

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01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:07,880
Speaker 3: That ain't the same. That ain't the same. Honey, you

1824
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 3: gave him a different orientation tape. Oh oh my bad,

1825
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 3: my bag, I put the wrong tape in there, y'all.

1826
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 3: Spider Spider.

1827
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:39,160
Speaker 1: Se just like Spider Man. Yeah, uh so glowing twenty

1828
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 1: fourteen piece and fours and rehash to di Discovery. I

1829
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:45,679
Speaker 1: learned what feminist feminism is and preaches, and I thought

1830
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:48,559
Speaker 1: it was incredible. I began working on the documentary about

1831
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 1: sexual assault on college campuses at my alma mater, and

1832
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 1: while I was brainstorming ways to raise funds to better

1833
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:55,599
Speaker 1: carry out that project, I came up with the idea

1834
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 1: for feminist apparel.

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01:34:57,200 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 2: This was a place that claimed to be ethical on FIM.

1836
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 1: It said Rychelfry, the company's now former office and HR manager.

1837
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 1: It was so hard to hear that Allen had done

1838
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 1: those things and hidden them from us, because that meant

1839
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 1: that we had been working for an abuser who was

1840
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 1: taking money from abuse victims. The day after the June

1841
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:16,680
Speaker 1: twenty first post, members of the feminist apparel team from

1842
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 1: front of Marto Fell. As a group of people that

1843
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:22,680
Speaker 1: dedicated to activism and social justice, there was only one

1844
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:25,000
Speaker 1: thing to do. Take action and now former employees wrote

1845
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 1: in the joint statement released publicly to get the word

1846
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:29,800
Speaker 1: out about the story, we decided the only thing to

1847
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 1: do was to the man. Allen stepped down the CEO

1848
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:34,719
Speaker 1: of the company, separate himself and show a public apology

1849
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 1: to our customers, creative partners in the larger community of

1850
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 1: intersectional feminists and social justice advocates that he exploited along

1851
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 1: the way right because you lying to the people. According

1852
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 1: to the employees, Marto Fell immediately admitted to the allegations.

1853
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 1: He said he stepped down because he now he was

1854
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 1: now a liability to the company, and he left the

1855
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 1: office soon after. The employees went back to work, but

1856
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 1: things soon took a turn for the worst while placing

1857
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 1: a routine order for blank shirts. The same day, at

1858
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 1: Martin Fell's departure, a production team member for that the

1859
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 1: company card was declined. Some employees told re Finary twenty

1860
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 1: nine that they decided to close the site to new

1861
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: orders until everything was sorted out. Four days after Martino

1862
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 1: Fell resigned, the message the entire team on the slack

1863
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 1: to tell employees not to come to work for the

1864
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,640
Speaker 1: week and that he fulfilled outstanding will orders to a

1865
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 1: third party and updated everybody on Friday. On Saturday, employees

1866
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:23,760
Speaker 1: noticed that company email cops had been closed, but the

1867
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 1: feminis appairl website was live and receiving orders. God damn this,

1868
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 1: Jill started to ask, motherfucker, I mean Stokes, Jim Stokes,

1869
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 1: she gonna barn me, gonna watch how barn she vexed me.

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01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 5: Sorry.

1871
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:46,720
Speaker 1: The employees reached out to Marto Fell several times, but

1872
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 1: all of the messages were ignored. Shortly after before six

1873
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 1: am the study the Sunday morning, they were all fired

1874
01:36:55,160 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 1: via individual emails to their personal accounts. Jim, you fired next, Teresa,

1875
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:06,640
Speaker 1: Bob bitch, say good riddings.

1876
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 2: Vanessa hit the road Jack, and don't you come back

1877
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:10,880
Speaker 2: no more?

1878
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:14,000
Speaker 1: No individual emails? Why just send it the group.

1879
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 3: Tex come on with the Slack message, boy, don't bother company.

1880
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 3: He should have told them that he neither. He wasted

1881
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 3: their time.

1882
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:22,280
Speaker 1: The way he's headed, the whole situation has been less

1883
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:23,879
Speaker 1: of a surprise and more of a shock to the assistant,

1884
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:27,480
Speaker 1: said Kerry Grogan, a now former graphic designer communications associated

1885
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:30,160
Speaker 1: feminist Apparel. Not just lying to us about stepping down

1886
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 1: and then firing us, but the silence, the fact that

1887
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 1: he could say stay silent aside from a two sentence

1888
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 1: Slack message for almost two whole weeks about our jobs

1889
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,600
Speaker 1: and livelihoods being in state, that was really shocking and

1890
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 1: very telling. Marta Felt declined to be interviewed, but he

1891
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 1: has acknowledged that the situation first was with a post

1892
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 1: on the brand's Facebook page where he announced the company

1893
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:52,200
Speaker 1: and seeking new management.

1894
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 2: He told her finally twenty nine, this entire.

1895
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 1: Situation has been sad and difficult, and I'm going to

1896
01:37:56,439 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 1: continue needing to take time to reflect on it first

1897
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 1: before I'll be ready to say more. Hey' also opposed

1898
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 1: to a statement on the company's blog. While I continue

1899
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:08,640
Speaker 1: to regret my past behaviors. My ongoing reflection and conversations

1900
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 1: regarding them have helped to shape me into who I

1901
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 1: am and have given me the tools to build an

1902
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 1: organization that has always strived to be a safe and

1903
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 1: welcome in space for all. He wrote in the post

1904
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:20,320
Speaker 1: Sadly and the meeting that took place with my now

1905
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 1: former employees last Friday, I was made away that they

1906
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:26,520
Speaker 1: unequivocally do not share my views on either business or feminism.

1907
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:29,719
Speaker 1: Then it is then that the operations of the company

1908
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 1: were halted for a week while all employees continue to

1909
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:35,320
Speaker 1: be paid, and I assessed my all available options for

1910
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 1: how to move forward at this juncture. After much deliberation

1911
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 1: and in the cordings with both state law and our

1912
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:44,240
Speaker 1: employee hadbook, I made the difficult decision to proceed without them.

1913
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:48,160
Speaker 1: I truly believe in feminist apparel, it's mission, and in

1914
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 1: the important cause of the individuals and supports. As a result,

1915
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 1: I also need to do us best for this company's

1916
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 1: long term success. The response echoes something many of the

1917
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 1: former employees have pointed out, Martha Fell's ignorance about what

1918
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:00,600
Speaker 1: it means to be an ally, and he sent it

1919
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 1: to company's feminists pursuits around himself often put in his

1920
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:05,880
Speaker 1: opinions first and ignored the request of advice of people

1921
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 1: of color, queer people, and survivors, including their campaign geared

1922
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 1: towards those groups. Eh, well, you know, it's a lot

1923
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:15,080
Speaker 1: of people. Listen, it's a lot of motherfuckers that hide

1924
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 1: behind these brands and they all, you know, blanketed, blank

1925
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Speaker 1: blank will pick your positive slogan onsline and on Twitter

1926
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 1: and all this shit. But the way they treat people

1927
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:28,639
Speaker 1: individually in their lives, you can tell like they don't

1928
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:32,519
Speaker 1: believe that's shit. No, no, no, they don't. I'm a feminist. Okay, Well,

1929
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:35,639
Speaker 1: this woman has an idea for our campaign and how

1930
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 1: and how it affects uh, you know, survivors that we're

1931
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 1: trying to campaign to. Uh is she on the groop

1932
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 1: with me? She ain't a feminists? She can get the

1933
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 1: fuck out period. Yep, yep, yep, yep.

1934
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Speaker 3: And then for a lot of them, particularly when they're

1935
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:51,840
Speaker 3: questioned or somebody kind of wants to have something or

1936
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:53,800
Speaker 3: that as some form of a falling out all of

1937
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 3: a sudden, they lean back on what they know, and

1938
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 3: a lot of times what they know means separating and

1939
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:02,280
Speaker 3: calling you the problem versus actually looking within themselves, and

1940
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:04,559
Speaker 3: it causes a lot of problems and a lot of

1941
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:07,519
Speaker 3: because this conflict was unnecessary and he lied to them

1942
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:08,160
Speaker 3: from the beginning.

1943
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:10,760
Speaker 1: And I hope they all nine of.

1944
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 3: Them get together and sue the fuck out of him.

1945
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:18,559
Speaker 1: Fuck him. Yeah, I feel I feel like with many

1946
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 1: brands with allyship, there's an enormous miscommunication over who should

1947
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:23,720
Speaker 1: be given voice. Alan seemed to feel that his voice

1948
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 1: should come first, said Claire Quigley, who was a graphic

1949
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 1: designer on the company until the firing. Strongest way to

1950
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:30,680
Speaker 1: be an ally would be to not profit from feminism

1951
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 1: or survivors of sexual assault, said Grogin.

1952
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:35,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, here's the thing.

1953
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:40,639
Speaker 1: I actually do not have a problem with this dude

1954
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:43,680
Speaker 1: if he told everybody the truth up front and then

1955
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 1: they willingly went and worked for the dude that they

1956
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:49,320
Speaker 1: knew was had a history of sexual assault and abuse

1957
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:52,639
Speaker 1: and was trying to quote unquote give back or find

1958
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:55,679
Speaker 1: some way to, like, I don't know, change the world

1959
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:57,960
Speaker 1: to mitigate the harm because he's learned to do better.

1960
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:02,080
Speaker 1: If you truly belie that's your mission and that's what

1961
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 1: feminism is for. You and all this shit. If you

1962
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 1: truly believe that, you would have just fucking told everybody. Right,

1963
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 1: So I don't believe you, because you that's a huge

1964
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:11,520
Speaker 1: freaking secret.

1965
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 3: Right They found out and then they got fired quote

1966
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:16,920
Speaker 3: unquote coincidence. All of a sudden, you followed the rue

1967
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:20,880
Speaker 3: manual book, you bot your HR department come out, you

1968
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:21,920
Speaker 3: had an HR manager.

1969
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 1: You know, they know the fucking law like you ran

1970
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:26,760
Speaker 1: from it. And to be honest, you're a white man.

1971
01:41:26,840 --> 01:41:29,680
Speaker 1: It seems to be a straight white white man. You

1972
01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:32,759
Speaker 1: probably could have told people literally, I am a former

1973
01:41:32,840 --> 01:41:35,880
Speaker 1: rapist and I'm trying to do this feminist shirt. And

1974
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:39,519
Speaker 1: some dummies would have signed up anyway. At least they

1975
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 1: would have known. They not just known some of these

1976
01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:46,839
Speaker 1: not these people necessarily maybe these people though, don't sleep,

1977
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:47,800
Speaker 1: don't sleep.

1978
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:49,000
Speaker 2: I don't know these motherfuckers.

1979
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:54,080
Speaker 1: But people would have signed up because people are always

1980
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:57,439
Speaker 1: signing up to redeem a fucking dude. People can't wait

1981
01:41:57,439 --> 01:42:01,080
Speaker 1: to redeem an abusive dude, period. They will make this

1982
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:04,000
Speaker 1: excuse for you if you just fucking tell him. We

1983
01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:06,559
Speaker 1: about to get into that and the next story. All

1984
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 1: you gotta do is be semi upfront with like, yeah,

1985
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:11,640
Speaker 1: I kind of did some rapist shit and I'm a

1986
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:13,760
Speaker 1: bit of a rapist, and people will be like, well,

1987
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:16,360
Speaker 1: you know what, God darn it, he's trying his best.

1988
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:18,760
Speaker 1: He's a man in the world is hard.

1989
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:21,760
Speaker 3: He ain't never smack me with his penis, right, so

1990
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:23,680
Speaker 3: I guess come on.

1991
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:27,920
Speaker 1: Like, that's that's what's so wild. He he's essentially losing,

1992
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 1: not even losing anything. I mean, he fired every right,

1993
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:34,000
Speaker 1: but he's essentially being exposed because of his response to

1994
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 1: being caught in a lie of omission.

1995
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 6: Uh.

1996
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 1: Anyway, the strongest way to bed DA. It's ridiculous that

1997
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:45,080
Speaker 1: an abuser could have that's to call himself a feminist

1998
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 1: or the thing. He has a right to make money

1999
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:48,680
Speaker 1: off of people he abused, and they consider himself a

2000
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:49,280
Speaker 1: hero for it.

2001
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 3: A lot of men behind that not just listen. A

2002
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 3: lot of people, Yes, they do, and they abuse people.

2003
01:42:56,840 --> 01:43:00,360
Speaker 3: Then it's not always in the sexual way. It's physical abuse,

2004
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 3: mental abuse, sexual abuse, verbal abuse you right when you

2005
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:07,400
Speaker 3: when you get down to her. And and on top

2006
01:43:07,439 --> 01:43:09,880
Speaker 3: of that, a lot of times they go into these

2007
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 3: fields where they know it's but dorty women and they

2008
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:14,040
Speaker 3: know they're gonna get empathy and sympathy and the ain't

2009
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:16,960
Speaker 3: know women are gonna be more understanding. And a lot

2010
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 3: of times you use this, you know, sisterhood. You use

2011
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:25,160
Speaker 3: this you know, let's all get along type of sisterhood

2012
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:27,560
Speaker 3: rah rah ra shit to cover the fact that you

2013
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:30,360
Speaker 3: ain't a You are a not shit human being. And

2014
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 3: truth be told, Eventually, you not being ship will come

2015
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:35,320
Speaker 3: out to light because.

2016
01:43:35,120 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 1: The second that somebody disagrees with you or wants to

2017
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:41,840
Speaker 1: do something different, all your fucking sociopathic tendency is gonna

2018
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 1: pop up anyway. So all the feminism in the world

2019
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:47,519
Speaker 1: ain't gonna stop you from being a fucking social path

2020
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:50,679
Speaker 1: that you always were. It's gonna you gotta go. You fired,

2021
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:53,040
Speaker 1: Get the fuck out of my face. Like what happened though?

2022
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 1: You was just talking about allyship coming together and we

2023
01:43:57,760 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 1: gonna do this. Yeah, well it's my way to mother

2024
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 1: fucking highway, bitch, Get the fuck out of my house.

2025
01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:02,360
Speaker 4: Right.

2026
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:04,640
Speaker 3: And the thing is the people that you're talking to

2027
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:06,360
Speaker 3: and the people that you fall out with, guess what,

2028
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:07,160
Speaker 3: they're women too.

2029
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:08,519
Speaker 1: Guess what they're victims too.

2030
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:12,920
Speaker 3: So that sisterhood that ry r Rod only applies if

2031
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:14,920
Speaker 3: you like the person or if you don't know the

2032
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:17,400
Speaker 3: person that well, you know, like those are the things

2033
01:44:17,479 --> 01:44:19,600
Speaker 3: that you know that I look at. But I realized

2034
01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:22,600
Speaker 3: just over time and just watching people online, you know,

2035
01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:24,400
Speaker 3: because you have to watch people in their patterns. Like

2036
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:28,080
Speaker 3: you say, when it comes to certain things, particularly women

2037
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:30,519
Speaker 3: are very forgiven. It's something about those fields because you

2038
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:32,280
Speaker 3: don't I'm not trying to find it. You don't ever

2039
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:34,840
Speaker 3: see men do this shit. If they do, if men

2040
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:37,400
Speaker 3: get behind men and defend him, it's off some toxic

2041
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:41,439
Speaker 3: Mexiclinity shit. It's not really off of compassion and love

2042
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:43,400
Speaker 3: and shit like that. And also the thing truth be told,

2043
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:45,120
Speaker 3: when it come to women, women have a tendency to

2044
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 3: give more money. Women a tendency to give up their time.

2045
01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 3: Women has to have a tendency to be more dedicated

2046
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 3: because you know, particularly straight women, it's actually put in you,

2047
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:57,080
Speaker 3: since you're little girl, that put everybody else before you,

2048
01:44:57,760 --> 01:44:59,840
Speaker 3: you know, so you end up hurting a lot of

2049
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 3: the people that you supposed to claim that you were

2050
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:03,640
Speaker 3: supposed to be standing for, and you're supposed to be

2051
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:06,280
Speaker 3: fighting for, and you're supposed to be raising funds for.

2052
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:08,960
Speaker 3: You know, like this, dude, you know, you basically are

2053
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 3: anti everything that you were supposed to be stand you

2054
01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:13,880
Speaker 3: stand for, and you turn around and you lie to

2055
01:45:13,960 --> 01:45:15,639
Speaker 3: these women and you fucking fired them.

2056
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were cool as long as people knew the

2057
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:22,439
Speaker 1: version of you that you wanted them to know. The

2058
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:25,559
Speaker 1: second that they knew a little bit more, the second

2059
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:27,880
Speaker 1: that they knew a little bit of dirt, the second

2060
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:30,000
Speaker 1: that they knew that there were people out there that

2061
01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:34,360
Speaker 1: had another version of events. You had to get all

2062
01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:37,719
Speaker 1: these motherfuckers out your life so you could control the narrative.

2063
01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:40,040
Speaker 1: But when the age of the Internet, no one could

2064
01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:43,920
Speaker 1: control the narrative. Nobody, everybody get on some grace. Literally,

2065
01:45:44,200 --> 01:45:46,519
Speaker 1: these motherfuckers basically got fired and was like, Okay, well

2066
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 1: now we're telling everybody come on. Like it could have

2067
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:51,519
Speaker 1: been kept kind of in house, you know. I mean,

2068
01:45:52,479 --> 01:45:54,080
Speaker 1: I guarantee you he didn't want to give up his

2069
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:54,920
Speaker 1: company all.

2070
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 3: That shit, you know, Like he told them that just

2071
01:45:57,360 --> 01:45:58,760
Speaker 3: to get them to lead, because if you would have

2072
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:00,439
Speaker 3: been like, I'm not giving it up and had her

2073
01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 3: fucking rumbling there with them women, well they would.

2074
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:05,320
Speaker 1: Have quit, correct. I Mean, he's probably sole proprietor of

2075
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:07,680
Speaker 1: all that shit and stuff. Anyway, I doubt he a

2076
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:09,760
Speaker 1: person like this ain't gonna let other people out of

2077
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:11,320
Speaker 1: control of his brand to a point where they can

2078
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 1: kick him off of it. But you're still the same

2079
01:46:13,439 --> 01:46:18,240
Speaker 1: person at the heart of it anyway. So yeah, he

2080
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:23,080
Speaker 1: uh uh. She said she's faced workplace harassment and abuse

2081
01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:25,680
Speaker 1: in previous jobs, but the feminist apparel coworkers or what

2082
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:27,360
Speaker 1: gave it a courage to finally do something, to say

2083
01:46:27,400 --> 01:46:29,679
Speaker 1: no to an abuser, to organize and the fight against

2084
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:31,479
Speaker 1: the justice in the workplace. The fire employees have not

2085
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,360
Speaker 1: come ined on plans for legal action, but I've spoken

2086
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:36,920
Speaker 1: out on their personal social accounts, and together they've even

2087
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:40,439
Speaker 1: launched a tumbler page detailing the events. Yeah, I don't

2088
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:42,320
Speaker 1: even know what recourse they can have, especially if this

2089
01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:45,680
Speaker 1: turns out this was legal true, you just gotta hope

2090
01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:47,760
Speaker 1: it hurts his brand and that the motherfucker can't get

2091
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:52,080
Speaker 1: started again. But I real talk, I'm so doubtful these

2092
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:56,120
Speaker 1: days and it gets canceled humanity. I'm so doubtful of

2093
01:46:57,320 --> 01:47:02,320
Speaker 1: people's ability to ask for accountability into expected So I

2094
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:04,799
Speaker 1: don't know, I sincerely doubt.

2095
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:06,800
Speaker 2: That this will be the last we hear this.

2096
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:12,960
Speaker 1: Dude. Same so, and honestly knowing the way people treat dudes,

2097
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:14,720
Speaker 1: that he could have just come out and been like,

2098
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm a former rapist and I have decided that or not.

2099
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:22,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even remember what all he said

2100
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:25,080
Speaker 1: he did in the post, but I'm a former sexual

2101
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:30,679
Speaker 1: harasser and essentially I'm okay with I'm going to start

2102
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 1: something to give back and people will jump behind that story.

2103
01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:36,200
Speaker 3: That's a feel quote unquote, feel good story.

2104
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:40,519
Speaker 1: A man who redeems himself quote unquote and forgives himself

2105
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:42,920
Speaker 1: is to a lot of people, that's the same as

2106
01:47:43,120 --> 01:47:46,200
Speaker 1: the survivors forgiving them. That's the same as society forgiving them.

2107
01:47:46,240 --> 01:47:48,200
Speaker 1: That's the same as paying penance. They're like, oh, he's

2108
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:49,960
Speaker 1: he said, he did it. That's the end.

2109
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:53,120
Speaker 2: You know, what a great man, what a great guy.

2110
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:56,719
Speaker 2: So only like certain certain crimes, certain.

2111
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:58,880
Speaker 1: Things that people do, being a racist. It's one of

2112
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:00,519
Speaker 1: the few things you get pat on the for being

2113
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 1: so brave to come out and say, oh, yeah, I'm a.

2114
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 2: Racist, I'm I sexually abused woman.

2115
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:08,439
Speaker 1: Well, thank god, wow, give it up for the guy.

2116
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy two shirts, you know, all right, last

2117
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:15,080
Speaker 1: one in the trash pile. This is one that I

2118
01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:18,840
Speaker 1: really wasn't gonna talk about but I was like, you

2119
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 1: know what, we do this show and we talk about

2120
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:24,840
Speaker 1: the trash. We talk about it, and it really ain't

2121
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:27,320
Speaker 1: my job to make sure anybody does anything about it,

2122
01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:30,519
Speaker 1: but it is our job to talk about it, because

2123
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:34,479
Speaker 1: we definitely talk about all this shit. Charlemagne to God

2124
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:37,880
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, he admitted to giving us woman's Spanish

2125
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:41,840
Speaker 1: fly and having sex while she wasn't coherent. Set it

2126
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 1: on a podcast, and I've listened to people talk about it,

2127
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:53,120
Speaker 1: and essentially the fact that he has already talked about

2128
01:48:53,240 --> 01:49:02,519
Speaker 1: his rape allegation people have decided to that means it's dead.

2129
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:07,200
Speaker 1: He didn't do anything wrong. It's all a big misunderstanding

2130
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:12,200
Speaker 1: and people need to get over it. And why because

2131
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:15,400
Speaker 1: he talked about it first, like this was before anybody

2132
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:18,599
Speaker 1: found her on him, I guess, or before people read

2133
01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:22,200
Speaker 1: the paperwork. His accuser had never come forward until last week.

2134
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:25,599
Speaker 1: She was at the time of fifteen year old girl.

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01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:28,080
Speaker 1: He was a twenty like two or twenty three year

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01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:34,040
Speaker 1: old man, and she did not testify in court, and

2137
01:49:34,240 --> 01:49:38,360
Speaker 1: the case had a basically her mom. According to her,

2138
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:41,200
Speaker 1: her mom wouldn't let her testify, so then you had

2139
01:49:41,240 --> 01:49:43,920
Speaker 1: an uncooperative wittness, which means you have to basically almost

2140
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:46,160
Speaker 1: drop the case. You can't go to try without a witness.

2141
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:48,720
Speaker 1: Even in the statutory case, they typically do not want

2142
01:49:48,760 --> 01:49:52,519
Speaker 1: to go to try without a witness. And the prosecutor

2143
01:49:52,520 --> 01:49:54,559
Speaker 1: said as much, which is like, it'd be almost unfair

2144
01:49:54,680 --> 01:49:58,120
Speaker 1: to try somebody that we don't even have a witness for,

2145
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:03,519
Speaker 1: you know. So he pleaded to a lesser charge. And

2146
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:10,799
Speaker 1: he told the story one way. And obviously the story

2147
01:50:11,120 --> 01:50:14,520
Speaker 1: from the victim is completely different now that she's come forward.

2148
01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:23,759
Speaker 2: To talk about it. So let me get into this article.

2149
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:27,600
Speaker 1: So he also has talked about it before on his

2150
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:30,679
Speaker 1: podcast Brilliant Idiots. Well he does that racist white dudes

2151
01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:34,160
Speaker 1: and shit. I think Andrew show us his name after

2152
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:36,840
Speaker 1: a seventeen year old rape allegation Reservece against popular radio

2153
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:39,520
Speaker 1: hold Charlemagne the God and the old clip of Charlemagne

2154
01:50:39,640 --> 01:50:46,160
Speaker 1: born Leonard. Larry McKelvey talked about the incident with DJ Academics.

2155
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:48,639
Speaker 1: It began circulating again on social media. In the twenty

2156
01:50:48,680 --> 01:50:52,040
Speaker 1: thirteen interview, he denies he ever slept with Jessica Reed,

2157
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:54,559
Speaker 1: the woman who's accused of who accused him of raping

2158
01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:56,519
Speaker 1: her in South Carolina when she was just fifteen years

2159
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:59,479
Speaker 1: old and he was twenty two. He did admit to

2160
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:03,360
Speaker 1: hosting a party what she was allegedly right, Yeah, And

2161
01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:10,320
Speaker 1: in that interview with Academics, he basically said, like I actually.

2162
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:10,880
Speaker 2: Might be able to find it.

2163
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:15,160
Speaker 3: We made con I don't think we did, because I

2164
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 3: definitely don't remember.

2165
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:21,080
Speaker 2: I definitely don't remember him talking about it.

2166
01:51:22,360 --> 01:51:22,479
Speaker 4: Uh.

2167
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:27,120
Speaker 2: And the clip with Academics, no, not no, Yeah, I

2168
01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:27,800
Speaker 2: definitely don't.

2169
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:30,439
Speaker 1: If I remember this, I would I would have been

2170
01:51:30,520 --> 01:51:34,040
Speaker 1: said something because this ship is wild even for him.

2171
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:39,519
Speaker 1: You know, let me see if I can find see

2172
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:43,479
Speaker 1: they got all these places. I don't trust these clips. Uh,

2173
01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:48,479
Speaker 1: this is so crazy. It's like it's such nigga news.

2174
01:51:49,479 --> 01:51:52,120
Speaker 1: Like the slights that it's owned are like world Star

2175
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:52,639
Speaker 1: hip Hop.

2176
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:56,400
Speaker 3: You're on web, you're gonna get an std virus on

2177
01:51:56,479 --> 01:51:58,640
Speaker 3: your computer. I mean, I just it just feels like,

2178
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:00,960
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a big fuck in deal man, Like

2179
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:04,120
Speaker 3: he got money. He's about to be the next dude

2180
01:52:04,160 --> 01:52:06,360
Speaker 3: that's owned as far as like HBO and ship.

2181
01:52:06,439 --> 01:52:09,680
Speaker 1: He's definitely a gatekeeper. So it's like a lot of

2182
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:12,280
Speaker 1: this stuff. I feel like you can kind of get

2183
01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:15,240
Speaker 1: away with in black spaces because we basically don't hold

2184
01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:20,920
Speaker 1: black men accountable for shit. Come on, but once you

2185
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:23,679
Speaker 1: start infiltrating white spaces, if you don't have your shit clean,

2186
01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:27,040
Speaker 1: like certain shit doesn't fly. It's like Steven A. Smith

2187
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:29,479
Speaker 1: could have made that whole rant about women better not

2188
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:31,840
Speaker 1: be hitting men if he said that shit on like

2189
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:36,720
Speaker 1: B E T or some black website. But he said

2190
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:40,040
Speaker 1: that shit on ESPN and he got suspended. But a

2191
01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:42,439
Speaker 1: whole lot of black men was going on the what

2192
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:45,000
Speaker 1: the Ray Rice thing happened? A whole lot of black

2193
01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:46,880
Speaker 1: men was running around talking about how black women better

2194
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:49,719
Speaker 1: not hit a man unless they want to fight and shit,

2195
01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:53,280
Speaker 1: and nobody was on their ass, Like Steve Harvey could

2196
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:54,000
Speaker 1: have said that on him.

2197
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:58,960
Speaker 8: Since you like either groupies, I'm scared of that kind

2198
01:52:58,960 --> 01:52:59,160
Speaker 8: of shit.

2199
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:01,599
Speaker 7: I don't have a rape charge. Oh really, yeah, I'm

2200
01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:03,240
Speaker 7: scared of that kind of shit. I don't even play that.

2201
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:04,000
Speaker 5: I like a charge.

2202
01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:05,920
Speaker 8: How you beat that because I didn't do it. It

2203
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:08,920
Speaker 8: was a it was a criminal sexual conduct with a

2204
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:09,800
Speaker 8: minor charge.

2205
01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:12,240
Speaker 1: That mean you wouldn't have to like register for this, Yeah,

2206
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:13,280
Speaker 1: I was, it was. It was.

2207
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:17,519
Speaker 7: It was the year two thousand, two thousand, two thousand

2208
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:20,479
Speaker 7: and one. I think I was like twenty years old.

2209
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:23,479
Speaker 7: My cousin had just graduated from.

2210
01:53:25,400 --> 01:53:27,759
Speaker 8: High school. He had got a scholarship to print at university.

2211
01:53:27,960 --> 01:53:29,920
Speaker 7: And I had a party, and I had all these

2212
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:31,759
Speaker 7: chicks at a party, like and I was doing overnight

2213
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:33,640
Speaker 7: that I was working at D nine three that So

2214
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:35,719
Speaker 7: I had all these chicks there that I met through radio.

2215
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:41,599
Speaker 1: And now keep in mind, he already got the uh

2216
01:53:42,360 --> 01:53:45,960
Speaker 1: this age was wrong in that joint reduced to twenty,

2217
01:53:46,040 --> 01:53:49,439
Speaker 1: which still over the when you're talking about a fifteen

2218
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:49,840
Speaker 1: year old.

2219
01:53:50,240 --> 01:53:52,240
Speaker 2: Is it really that big of a difference in uh

2220
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:53,759
Speaker 2: South Carolina?

2221
01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:59,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, he uh, he's taught. He's kind of changed

2222
01:53:59,120 --> 01:54:01,479
Speaker 1: up that detail. He's not sure on when it happened.

2223
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:07,080
Speaker 8: You know, you know chicks that my dude had known.

2224
01:54:07,240 --> 01:54:08,680
Speaker 8: I need to see this, always see this chick with

2225
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 8: my dude.

2226
01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 1: So I bought you know, now this is a chick.

2227
01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:14,360
Speaker 1: Now keep in mind, these details are gonna come back up.

2228
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:16,040
Speaker 1: I just want to drop pad. It's a chick that

2229
01:54:16,120 --> 01:54:19,920
Speaker 1: this dude had. No, it's not him, it's a friend

2230
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:20,479
Speaker 1: of a friend.

2231
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:24,800
Speaker 7: Kind of okay, in write her to the party because

2232
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:27,439
Speaker 7: she was at the party and shit, she got drunk, high,

2233
01:54:27,520 --> 01:54:30,320
Speaker 7: whatever whatever, something happened in the room with a couple

2234
01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:32,720
Speaker 7: of my dude, I'm asking them, did they mess with

2235
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:35,560
Speaker 7: the chicken, you know, after the fact, after she pressed charges,

2236
01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:38,680
Speaker 7: and they was like no. But they was like, Yo,

2237
01:54:38,760 --> 01:54:40,440
Speaker 7: she's fucking I remember the night off. They were like, Yo,

2238
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:41,680
Speaker 7: she's in here, bugging.

2239
01:54:41,400 --> 01:54:43,760
Speaker 8: Out, she's kicking over the TV and she's trying to

2240
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:45,400
Speaker 8: set you on fire. I'm like, what the fuck cause

2241
01:54:45,400 --> 01:54:49,040
Speaker 8: I had left. So the next morning I'm here and

2242
01:54:49,120 --> 01:54:49,680
Speaker 8: she says.

2243
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:50,080
Speaker 1: She got raped.

2244
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:51,480
Speaker 8: She got raped.

2245
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:55,200
Speaker 7: So I go to the hood to ask what happened.

2246
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:58,720
Speaker 7: They're like, yeah, you know, you know my cousin who

2247
01:54:58,760 --> 01:55:01,520
Speaker 7: had got the scholarship. Yeah, he's jail now in jail.

2248
01:55:02,280 --> 01:55:02,840
Speaker 8: He's in jail.

2249
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:04,520
Speaker 7: They said he raped the ground. I'm like, get the

2250
01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:07,200
Speaker 7: fuck out of here. I go down to the jail house,

2251
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:10,520
Speaker 7: talk to the detective myself. No, it ain't got no

2252
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:12,400
Speaker 7: one for me. I just told the detective like, look,

2253
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:14,760
Speaker 7: I take full responsibility for anything that ever happened that

2254
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:15,800
Speaker 7: happened in the house last night.

2255
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:17,880
Speaker 1: You willn't take take the case. I told her.

2256
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:21,520
Speaker 8: I said, anybody I'm nobody got raped.

2257
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:25,960
Speaker 1: Even now he's keep in mind, he said nobody even

2258
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:29,480
Speaker 1: got sexual assaulted. So he went down there, according to him,

2259
01:55:30,640 --> 01:55:34,480
Speaker 1: and said he takes full responsibility for somebody who is

2260
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:40,760
Speaker 1: accusing dudes of rape. Who does that? Hey, I know that.

2261
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:45,520
Speaker 2: There's a rape case out there. I would like to

2262
01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:46,760
Speaker 2: take the charge please.

2263
01:55:46,720 --> 01:55:49,000
Speaker 1: And the police go, okay, yeah, no problem, man, We'll

2264
01:55:49,080 --> 01:55:51,880
Speaker 1: just we'll just switch over the charges from the dude

2265
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:54,320
Speaker 1: that we have in jail to you, like a good transfer,

2266
01:55:54,600 --> 01:55:58,080
Speaker 1: like a transfer of charges, Like how would that even work?

2267
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:01,720
Speaker 1: But this is the worry people believe that they go

2268
01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:04,200
Speaker 1: with because he said it first, and if you get

2269
01:56:04,200 --> 01:56:05,880
Speaker 1: ahead of the thing, then I guess people believe it.

2270
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:08,760
Speaker 5: I don't know. I have my cousin in custins.

2271
01:56:09,120 --> 01:56:11,720
Speaker 7: My other cousins was fucking with me because dude was

2272
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:14,280
Speaker 7: mad they didn't get invited to the party hate as motherfuckers.

2273
01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:16,200
Speaker 7: So my cousin wasn't even in custody, So I went

2274
01:56:16,240 --> 01:56:17,640
Speaker 7: down to the jail house for nothing.

2275
01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:23,480
Speaker 1: So now his cousin wasn't in custody, his other cousins

2276
01:56:23,560 --> 01:56:28,240
Speaker 1: were fucking with him. I'm not sure who plays like that.

2277
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:33,560
Speaker 1: They were fucking with him because they didn't get to

2278
01:56:33,600 --> 01:56:35,920
Speaker 1: go to the party. So he basically went down to

2279
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:39,840
Speaker 1: the jail house. Nobody was in custody, nobody was being

2280
01:56:39,880 --> 01:56:43,000
Speaker 1: accused of sexual assault. He just went volunteered to take

2281
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:48,680
Speaker 1: to take a charge for the nobody at the party

2282
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:53,120
Speaker 1: that got that that was a rapist. This is his

2283
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:56,800
Speaker 1: version of events, This is his story, his words for everything.

2284
01:56:57,160 --> 01:56:58,680
Speaker 8: You know, I bought the alcohol.

2285
01:56:58,760 --> 01:57:01,000
Speaker 7: He was like, well, you're not even of aged by alcohol,

2286
01:57:01,360 --> 01:57:02,920
Speaker 7: And I'm like, well, how'd you get it?

2287
01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:04,160
Speaker 8: Well, I got a crackhead to get it for me.

2288
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:05,760
Speaker 8: You't know whatever, what now?

2289
01:57:05,800 --> 01:57:09,200
Speaker 7: And they cop it up, please with the sit So

2290
01:57:09,320 --> 01:57:11,240
Speaker 7: two weeks later they come and arrest me for a

2291
01:57:11,320 --> 01:57:12,280
Speaker 7: criminal sexual conduct.

2292
01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:14,640
Speaker 1: Keep in mind he says he wasn't of age, he

2293
01:57:14,720 --> 01:57:18,520
Speaker 1: was twenty two. He wasn't raged by alcohol. He was

2294
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:21,000
Speaker 1: twenty two at a time, so he was a raged

2295
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:24,760
Speaker 1: by alcohol. So it sounds like he's trying to even

2296
01:57:24,760 --> 01:57:26,720
Speaker 1: divorce himself from the idea that he could have bought

2297
01:57:26,760 --> 01:57:29,440
Speaker 1: the alcohol with the whole like, I'm on the age

2298
01:57:29,480 --> 01:57:32,000
Speaker 1: were all in age, you know, twenty and fifteen, what's

2299
01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:34,720
Speaker 1: the difference, you know, twenty two is all the same.

2300
01:57:34,760 --> 01:57:39,720
Speaker 1: Shit with the mine.

2301
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:42,640
Speaker 8: So I had to get blood and half follicles.

2302
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:44,920
Speaker 1: Hope you going down there to initially explain it.

2303
01:57:44,920 --> 01:57:48,360
Speaker 7: Didin't have nobody else depending on so being it, I

2304
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:50,680
Speaker 7: went down there, took co responsibility.

2305
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:52,040
Speaker 8: Uh lock him up?

2306
01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:54,880
Speaker 1: Did it get through you got it dand on it

2307
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:55,480
Speaker 1: and everything?

2308
01:57:55,720 --> 01:57:56,600
Speaker 8: Or now.

2309
01:57:58,000 --> 01:57:58,560
Speaker 3: I went to court.

2310
01:57:58,640 --> 01:57:59,200
Speaker 8: What the court need?

2311
01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:01,240
Speaker 7: They reduced the charge just to like contribute to the

2312
01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:04,080
Speaker 7: density of mind because I had to give blood, you know,

2313
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:06,760
Speaker 7: DNA samples, and it wasn't mean we whatever touched there,

2314
01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:07,160
Speaker 7: it wasn't me.

2315
01:58:07,320 --> 01:58:09,760
Speaker 1: You didn't get on jail time over that. First it

2316
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:13,000
Speaker 1: went from it wasn't a rape at all to whoever

2317
01:58:13,120 --> 01:58:14,040
Speaker 1: touched or it wasn't me.

2318
01:58:14,680 --> 01:58:16,240
Speaker 2: Right, remember earlier.

2319
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:18,400
Speaker 1: In the same conversation when it wasn't a sexual assault,

2320
01:58:18,480 --> 01:58:20,400
Speaker 1: nobody did anything right.

2321
01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:25,400
Speaker 2: Also, he people are using him.

2322
01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:27,240
Speaker 1: Saying that he gave d a NA and it came

2323
01:58:27,320 --> 01:58:31,880
Speaker 1: back negative as that's evidence. Now he said it. He

2324
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:34,280
Speaker 1: said it, you know, like that's basically how everybody's like,

2325
01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:37,240
Speaker 1: Well he said that, so obviously this is what happened.

2326
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:44,240
Speaker 8: Okay, I got like probation, must probation or something like that.

2327
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:48,120
Speaker 2: Keep that number in mind like that, So I mean

2328
01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:50,000
Speaker 2: so after.

2329
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:52,360
Speaker 7: The reason, I don't play those games with females.

2330
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:53,440
Speaker 8: I don't play games like.

2331
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:55,760
Speaker 7: That, Like, if I'm kicking it with you, I'm kicking

2332
01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:58,440
Speaker 7: it with you, not bringing the randoms over somebody I.

2333
01:58:58,520 --> 01:59:00,920
Speaker 8: Just met from the club, chick, I just met, like

2334
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:02,920
Speaker 8: I go through a process. I talk on the phone

2335
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:05,120
Speaker 8: with girls. I take him out with me a few

2336
01:59:05,240 --> 01:59:06,600
Speaker 8: times before even.

2337
01:59:07,320 --> 01:59:12,840
Speaker 1: Okay, So that was his interview with DJ Academics where

2338
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:19,320
Speaker 1: he gave his version of events. All right, So then

2339
01:59:20,200 --> 01:59:24,640
Speaker 1: he also has his own podcast, Brilliant Idiots, where he's

2340
01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:29,760
Speaker 1: talked about another I don't know if it's another another

2341
01:59:29,880 --> 01:59:33,600
Speaker 1: woman or the same situation remixed. I don't know. But

2342
01:59:34,520 --> 01:59:38,720
Speaker 1: he told a story in a twenty fifteen episode called

2343
01:59:38,840 --> 01:59:42,960
Speaker 1: I think it was actually called rape culture. But you

2344
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:44,320
Speaker 1: know this is a comedy show.

2345
01:59:44,440 --> 01:59:47,240
Speaker 7: Well, I remember a scenario murder beat talk Carolina. I

2346
01:59:47,320 --> 01:59:49,400
Speaker 7: got this girl real drunk, and.

2347
01:59:51,400 --> 01:59:53,640
Speaker 8: I thought, just that sentence sounds a little bit.

2348
01:59:54,320 --> 01:59:57,560
Speaker 7: I got drunk, and I didn't I remember going. I

2349
01:59:57,600 --> 01:59:59,360
Speaker 7: went to the sex store and got Spanish.

2350
01:59:59,080 --> 02:00:00,560
Speaker 8: Fly see raped her.

2351
02:00:00,760 --> 02:00:01,160
Speaker 5: Shut up?

2352
02:00:01,640 --> 02:00:06,200
Speaker 8: They spelling. I'm telling the truth. They spelling in this

2353
02:00:06,280 --> 02:00:08,280
Speaker 8: fantas store. I had to fucking I had to.

2354
02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:10,160
Speaker 3: Do too.

2355
02:00:10,200 --> 02:00:11,440
Speaker 8: You could put that to a girl's throat.

2356
02:00:12,920 --> 02:00:14,360
Speaker 7: So I put the Spanish fly in the n J.

2357
02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:16,560
Speaker 7: We drinking the n J and ships on my mind.

2358
02:00:16,560 --> 02:00:17,840
Speaker 7: I don't know if this ship really worked, but I

2359
02:00:17,880 --> 02:00:22,920
Speaker 7: felt like I got horny as a motherfucker too. So

2360
02:00:23,800 --> 02:00:26,080
Speaker 7: she was drunk and ship and we had sex and

2361
02:00:26,120 --> 02:00:28,840
Speaker 7: ship and like a lot of my boys, was trying

2362
02:00:28,840 --> 02:00:29,720
Speaker 7: to come in the room and fuck it.

2363
02:00:29,800 --> 02:00:31,360
Speaker 8: I'm like, nah, She's like, I can't. I'm not doing that,

2364
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:32,640
Speaker 8: and I'm not gonna let you in the train on it.

2365
02:00:32,720 --> 02:00:37,360
Speaker 8: That's right, Okay. So it's just one on one of

2366
02:00:37,400 --> 02:00:39,600
Speaker 8: the right. So the next thing, So the.

2367
02:00:39,640 --> 02:00:43,400
Speaker 7: Next morning she wakes up. The next morning, she wakes

2368
02:00:43,480 --> 02:00:48,640
Speaker 7: up and we talk about it, and she's like, what happened?

2369
02:00:49,640 --> 02:00:52,720
Speaker 7: Like we had sex? She said, okay, well, I'm glad

2370
02:00:52,760 --> 02:00:56,800
Speaker 7: it was you. Then a couple of days later she's like, yo,

2371
02:00:56,880 --> 02:00:59,200
Speaker 7: you shown we had sex with you. One of my

2372
02:00:59,240 --> 02:01:01,480
Speaker 7: stupid ass cuts was going around saying he fucked it,

2373
02:01:01,520 --> 02:01:02,040
Speaker 7: which he didn't.

2374
02:01:02,520 --> 02:01:03,760
Speaker 8: I know for a fact he didn't. That was that

2375
02:01:03,880 --> 02:01:04,280
Speaker 8: whole time.

2376
02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:07,360
Speaker 1: So this one was passed out. He put some in

2377
02:01:07,440 --> 02:01:14,200
Speaker 1: her drink. She didn't even remember the sexual encounter, and

2378
02:01:15,360 --> 02:01:19,800
Speaker 1: he did. And as far as he's concerned, there's nothing

2379
02:01:19,840 --> 02:01:23,760
Speaker 1: wrong or right be about that. Right, it's funny to

2380
02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:25,760
Speaker 1: him even right they laughing about it.

2381
02:01:27,200 --> 02:01:29,400
Speaker 8: He did not fuck her. He looked at her naked,

2382
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:31,800
Speaker 8: but he didn't fuck it, right, so he.

2383
02:01:31,880 --> 02:01:35,600
Speaker 1: Let people look at her naked. HM, let people come

2384
02:01:35,600 --> 02:01:38,840
Speaker 1: in and look at her naked. But you know, nothing

2385
02:01:38,880 --> 02:01:41,840
Speaker 1: wrong with that apparently, So so.

2386
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:45,920
Speaker 8: I'm telling her, no, me and you just had sex.

2387
02:01:46,040 --> 02:01:47,000
Speaker 8: Nobody else did nothing.

2388
02:01:47,160 --> 02:01:48,560
Speaker 7: So it just was weird that she was like, But

2389
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:50,800
Speaker 7: I'm just glad it was you, you know what I'm saying,

2390
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:52,240
Speaker 7: because in my mom like, you could have been in.

2391
02:01:52,280 --> 02:01:55,600
Speaker 8: A real bad situation if it was another mother compliment.

2392
02:01:55,720 --> 02:01:59,200
Speaker 1: Man, girls just said, yo, a huge compliment.

2393
02:02:00,040 --> 02:02:03,560
Speaker 8: At least you raped me. I did not, right, for

2394
02:02:04,440 --> 02:02:05,840
Speaker 8: if it was that, if your cousins and friends who

2395
02:02:05,840 --> 02:02:08,560
Speaker 8: have been raped, Because me and her had every intention

2396
02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:09,760
Speaker 8: of having sex with each other, so.

2397
02:02:09,800 --> 02:02:11,760
Speaker 1: Then why would you put the Spanish flying.

2398
02:02:11,960 --> 02:02:13,880
Speaker 8: I was a freaking I'm still a freaking motherfucker, but

2399
02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:17,280
Speaker 8: I was, really I was. I listened she passed out

2400
02:02:17,280 --> 02:02:20,480
Speaker 8: while you fucked her. Nah, she wasn't like she was

2401
02:02:20,560 --> 02:02:21,840
Speaker 8: like one of those drunks where.

2402
02:02:23,920 --> 02:02:26,800
Speaker 7: She was one of those drunks, where like she was

2403
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:29,880
Speaker 7: one of those drunks, but she was like, oh, like

2404
02:02:30,480 --> 02:02:31,960
Speaker 7: she wasn't coherent, but she was up.

2405
02:02:32,280 --> 02:02:33,960
Speaker 8: You know when your girls is like when you're blacked

2406
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:35,840
Speaker 8: out like that, I don't know what the fuck is

2407
02:02:35,880 --> 02:02:37,880
Speaker 8: going on type ship like she was really she.

2408
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:39,480
Speaker 2: Was awake and she was into it.

2409
02:02:39,600 --> 02:02:40,240
Speaker 8: She was wasted.

2410
02:02:41,800 --> 02:02:42,880
Speaker 1: That's his words.

2411
02:02:44,280 --> 02:02:44,320
Speaker 8: That.

2412
02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:47,280
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what And keep in mind, this

2413
02:02:47,480 --> 02:02:49,920
Speaker 1: was all the podcast. It's very popular, it's been out

2414
02:02:49,960 --> 02:02:54,880
Speaker 1: for three years. Nobody gave a fuck like this is

2415
02:02:54,960 --> 02:02:56,920
Speaker 1: his own words, nobody. I mean, it tells you what

2416
02:02:57,040 --> 02:02:59,920
Speaker 1: kind of listeners he asked for one uh, and it's

2417
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:02,320
Speaker 1: tells you what kind of standards there are for black

2418
02:03:02,440 --> 02:03:05,560
Speaker 1: dudes in this whole game, Like you can really be

2419
02:03:05,640 --> 02:03:07,280
Speaker 1: out here talking like this as long as you're a

2420
02:03:07,320 --> 02:03:10,560
Speaker 1: black person. It's kind of OKAYI which is you know,

2421
02:03:10,720 --> 02:03:12,320
Speaker 1: this is shit I talk about when I talk about

2422
02:03:12,360 --> 02:03:14,920
Speaker 1: like a Steven A. Smith and how you know, I

2423
02:03:14,960 --> 02:03:18,600
Speaker 1: don't really believe in that respectability shit, but I have

2424
02:03:18,720 --> 02:03:20,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of it in me where I feel

2425
02:03:20,440 --> 02:03:24,240
Speaker 1: embarrassed when I see black men on big platforms saying

2426
02:03:24,280 --> 02:03:26,560
Speaker 1: shit that I know if they were a white dude,

2427
02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:28,720
Speaker 1: people would be like, dude, you have to do better

2428
02:03:28,760 --> 02:03:31,080
Speaker 1: than this. Well, you're black, so you don't have to

2429
02:03:31,120 --> 02:03:33,240
Speaker 1: be an intellectual. You don't have to be smart, you

2430
02:03:33,400 --> 02:03:35,480
Speaker 1: have to be savvy, you don't have to be like

2431
02:03:35,680 --> 02:03:37,600
Speaker 1: like it's just call her blackness. It's like, oh yeah,

2432
02:03:37,720 --> 02:03:40,600
Speaker 1: black people, black men are rapists. So I mean, we

2433
02:03:40,760 --> 02:03:42,920
Speaker 1: still want to get this dude a platform to say

2434
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:45,840
Speaker 1: this shit. You know, like Howard Stern can't be out

2435
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:48,480
Speaker 1: here talking about he was raping people. He can't and

2436
02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:50,800
Speaker 1: that's a dude, that's edgy as fuck. But if he

2437
02:03:50,840 --> 02:03:53,640
Speaker 1: starts talking about raping past out people, they're gonna be like, dog,

2438
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:54,440
Speaker 1: what are you doing?

2439
02:03:55,800 --> 02:03:58,400
Speaker 2: Your audience will not take this, you know.

2440
02:03:58,720 --> 02:04:01,080
Speaker 1: So it's a little bit embarras to me, don't I

2441
02:04:01,080 --> 02:04:03,040
Speaker 1: don't guess I have to work out or think about

2442
02:04:03,720 --> 02:04:07,200
Speaker 1: why that bothers me so much. But it does. You know,

2443
02:04:07,360 --> 02:04:09,960
Speaker 1: Steven A. Smith being the only nigga on ESPN defending

2444
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:12,720
Speaker 1: beating women, it bothers me going like, why would you

2445
02:04:12,840 --> 02:04:15,760
Speaker 1: do that? Bro? You like, take a click, take a

2446
02:04:15,880 --> 02:04:17,960
Speaker 1: cue from all these other white dudes who probably believe

2447
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:20,040
Speaker 1: the same shit as you. But know to shut the

2448
02:04:20,120 --> 02:04:20,600
Speaker 1: fuck up.

2449
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:24,320
Speaker 3: Right, And also I think for me hearing the second interview,

2450
02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:26,720
Speaker 3: it's one of the things and this is something that

2451
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:30,520
Speaker 3: make women very very upset talking about something seriously serious

2452
02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:32,840
Speaker 3: and y'all actually are chucking about it. A lot of

2453
02:04:32,920 --> 02:04:35,360
Speaker 3: dudes actually chuckle about rape dad because they don't ever

2454
02:04:35,440 --> 02:04:38,520
Speaker 3: take it seriously because for most straight men, you are

2455
02:04:38,640 --> 02:04:44,680
Speaker 3: never the victims of this. For most you know, or

2456
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:47,920
Speaker 3: and or if you if a straight man has been

2457
02:04:47,960 --> 02:04:51,760
Speaker 3: sexually assulted, it's quote unquote against your manhoods. So all

2458
02:04:51,800 --> 02:04:54,120
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you can ever admit this, you have

2459
02:04:54,200 --> 02:04:56,680
Speaker 3: to be manly. Manly, you can't act like that you

2460
02:04:56,840 --> 02:04:58,840
Speaker 3: quote unquote have ever been a victim for the for

2461
02:04:58,920 --> 02:05:01,440
Speaker 3: the fact that they were talking about end nobody ever

2462
02:05:01,680 --> 02:05:04,040
Speaker 3: took it seriously. And this is one of the things

2463
02:05:04,160 --> 02:05:06,280
Speaker 3: that I feel about. This is why a lot of

2464
02:05:06,360 --> 02:05:10,200
Speaker 3: times for me personally, depending on like the group of

2465
02:05:10,440 --> 02:05:15,200
Speaker 3: dudes talking, a lot of times I like for it

2466
02:05:15,360 --> 02:05:17,680
Speaker 3: to be women or either women and men. I don't

2467
02:05:17,680 --> 02:05:21,680
Speaker 3: mind all men, but sometimes it get too testosterone field

2468
02:05:21,880 --> 02:05:24,200
Speaker 3: in the room, and you know, if there was just

2469
02:05:24,320 --> 02:05:27,520
Speaker 3: one woman's voice, the whole atmosphereic change on the conversation.

2470
02:05:28,400 --> 02:05:32,080
Speaker 1: Maybe that's maybe because if that voice is the woman is,

2471
02:05:32,280 --> 02:05:35,560
Speaker 1: if it's Agela Year, it won't change. She's right up

2472
02:05:35,560 --> 02:05:38,720
Speaker 1: there on the fucking breakfast club every morning watching people

2473
02:05:38,760 --> 02:05:41,839
Speaker 1: say fucked up shit, rapey shit and not challenging anything

2474
02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:44,040
Speaker 1: or laughing it off with the rest of them like

2475
02:05:44,120 --> 02:05:46,880
Speaker 1: ha ha ha. So it's not I don't even know

2476
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:50,280
Speaker 1: that it would change. Necessarily depends on the woman in

2477
02:05:50,360 --> 02:05:50,640
Speaker 1: the room.

2478
02:05:50,760 --> 02:05:52,160
Speaker 3: It depends on a woman in the room. A lot

2479
02:05:52,200 --> 02:05:53,520
Speaker 3: of times the women in the room to speak up.

2480
02:05:53,520 --> 02:05:54,560
Speaker 3: Guess what, A lot of times you're not in the

2481
02:05:54,640 --> 02:05:57,280
Speaker 3: co host. You're not in anywhere in power and truth

2482
02:05:57,360 --> 02:05:58,680
Speaker 3: be told, A lot of the dudes that feel like

2483
02:05:58,720 --> 02:06:00,000
Speaker 3: that wouldn't have you own in the first place.

2484
02:06:00,280 --> 02:06:02,400
Speaker 1: Not a prosecutor or the judge of somebody I read

2485
02:06:02,560 --> 02:06:05,160
Speaker 1: has said that they will not be reopening that case

2486
02:06:05,200 --> 02:06:07,760
Speaker 1: with the fifteen year old. Uh if this is a

2487
02:06:07,840 --> 02:06:13,000
Speaker 1: different case, which would make two very very get very

2488
02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:21,600
Speaker 1: questionable at best circumstances for this man with women at

2489
02:06:21,720 --> 02:06:24,920
Speaker 1: least two. It also explains why he defended Bill Cosey

2490
02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:29,960
Speaker 1: so fucking hard to start, all right, I mean it did.

2491
02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:33,400
Speaker 1: It makes sense now starts to come together form a picture.

2492
02:06:35,520 --> 02:06:37,640
Speaker 1: And the thing that you know, the other part of

2493
02:06:37,720 --> 02:06:46,360
Speaker 1: this is this accuser has come forward recently and she

2494
02:06:46,720 --> 02:06:50,240
Speaker 1: hadn't before. Now the problem is she got interviewed on

2495
02:06:50,840 --> 02:06:54,520
Speaker 1: the Dude's Stars something show Fragile I don't remember it,

2496
02:06:54,560 --> 02:06:58,440
Speaker 1: Striking Name Something Stars I don't know, formerly a Starbuck Wow.

2497
02:06:58,600 --> 02:07:01,080
Speaker 1: But that dude has a vendetic again Charla Maine. So

2498
02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:04,680
Speaker 1: the ten minute interview or whatever with the person who

2499
02:07:06,520 --> 02:07:13,320
Speaker 1: said she was assaulted by him, it's very like you

2500
02:07:13,440 --> 02:07:16,320
Speaker 1: can tell the whole point of it is to try

2501
02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:19,920
Speaker 1: to attack Charlemagne. As far as Star is concerned, she

2502
02:07:20,120 --> 02:07:21,840
Speaker 1: seems concerned with like, I want to get my story

2503
02:07:21,880 --> 02:07:22,080
Speaker 1: out there.

2504
02:07:22,120 --> 02:07:23,760
Speaker 2: I want people to know what kind of person.

2505
02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:27,240
Speaker 1: This dude is. And he's very much like I mean, honestly,

2506
02:07:27,800 --> 02:07:31,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of he's rough. He's just like so he

2507
02:07:31,280 --> 02:07:32,920
Speaker 1: was on top of it, you penetrating, you know, like

2508
02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:35,480
Speaker 1: it's very like I was like a victim.

2509
02:07:35,600 --> 02:07:35,720
Speaker 4: You know.

2510
02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:38,200
Speaker 1: It's almost like some TMZ shit. So I don't even

2511
02:07:38,240 --> 02:07:39,840
Speaker 1: want to play it here, but you can go find

2512
02:07:39,920 --> 02:07:43,320
Speaker 1: it if you don't mind listening to a very rough interview.

2513
02:07:43,320 --> 02:07:45,160
Speaker 1: I guess these clips were kind of rough. Anyway, but

2514
02:07:45,440 --> 02:07:50,080
Speaker 1: it's much longer and much more pointed. But you know,

2515
02:07:50,280 --> 02:07:52,880
Speaker 1: it just doesn't job with his version of events. His

2516
02:07:53,040 --> 02:07:53,800
Speaker 1: age is wrong.

2517
02:07:54,560 --> 02:07:57,400
Speaker 2: He got to it was like two or three years probation,

2518
02:07:57,560 --> 02:08:04,480
Speaker 2: not no, four or five months as he claimed. He like,

2519
02:08:05,160 --> 02:08:06,640
Speaker 2: it's just it just don't add up.

2520
02:08:07,680 --> 02:08:10,120
Speaker 1: It just doesn't add up, man, what he and if

2521
02:08:10,200 --> 02:08:12,680
Speaker 1: this is another story that he's telling on this one,

2522
02:08:13,320 --> 02:08:17,480
Speaker 1: this is another fucking sketchy ass incident, dog like it

2523
02:08:17,680 --> 02:08:21,160
Speaker 1: just and I don't expect anything to happen. I'm disheardened

2524
02:08:21,240 --> 02:08:24,280
Speaker 1: to a certain extent because I expect the same shit

2525
02:08:24,840 --> 02:08:28,880
Speaker 1: with that goes down with a lot of people. Except

2526
02:08:28,920 --> 02:08:31,240
Speaker 1: the only difference is with this, a lot of people

2527
02:08:31,320 --> 02:08:35,440
Speaker 1: will hide behind blackness as a reason to let an

2528
02:08:35,480 --> 02:08:39,520
Speaker 1: abusive man be abusive towards black women, of course, as

2529
02:08:39,560 --> 02:08:41,880
Speaker 1: if they're not black too, as if oh that poor

2530
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:44,280
Speaker 1: little girl, but you know, hey, hey, I like it

2531
02:08:44,360 --> 02:08:46,960
Speaker 1: show he makes me laugh, so fuck that shit, you know,

2532
02:08:47,040 --> 02:08:49,000
Speaker 1: And it's that cool of a calculation to people. It

2533
02:08:49,040 --> 02:08:51,640
Speaker 1: ain't even really you know, and I and I mean

2534
02:08:51,680 --> 02:08:54,600
Speaker 1: I expect that from people, but it's just when you

2535
02:08:54,680 --> 02:08:57,040
Speaker 1: see in an action, it's almost worse where you're just like,

2536
02:08:57,200 --> 02:09:01,040
Speaker 1: damn man, it's nothing's changed. I'm just fretting and worrying

2537
02:09:01,080 --> 02:09:03,240
Speaker 1: about the me too moving and shit, why should I

2538
02:09:03,320 --> 02:09:07,560
Speaker 1: believe anybody is concerned? Nothing's changing, y'all just fake, fake

2539
02:09:07,640 --> 02:09:10,000
Speaker 1: concerned about they're gonna take down the innocent person. You

2540
02:09:10,040 --> 02:09:12,160
Speaker 1: don't even want them to take down people that did ship.

2541
02:09:12,200 --> 02:09:14,320
Speaker 1: Why don't I worry about them taking out somebody that didn't.

2542
02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:17,400
Speaker 1: They can barely get motherfuckers that do criminal shit that

2543
02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:19,720
Speaker 1: like sixty women, they might go, they might get a

2544
02:09:19,800 --> 02:09:22,760
Speaker 1: trial if you get sixty women together. But if it's

2545
02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:24,960
Speaker 1: just like one or two, you scott free, You're about

2546
02:09:24,960 --> 02:09:26,520
Speaker 1: to be working, You about to be fine. You're gonna

2547
02:09:26,520 --> 02:09:30,960
Speaker 1: get checks from everybody, you know. Another petition for the

2548
02:09:31,000 --> 02:09:35,040
Speaker 1: breakfast club to get you know, call you know that

2549
02:09:35,160 --> 02:09:38,920
Speaker 1: shit started like cancel this or whatever to many peoples. Yeah,

2550
02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:41,600
Speaker 1: they're not. They're not gonna fire him. Nothing, nothing's gonna

2551
02:09:41,600 --> 02:09:43,640
Speaker 1: happen to him. I think he's lawyered up, you know,

2552
02:09:45,560 --> 02:09:49,120
Speaker 1: so I don't expect anything to happen to him. He

2553
02:09:49,240 --> 02:09:52,160
Speaker 1: is the gatekeeper and and that's okay. So that's the

2554
02:09:52,240 --> 02:09:57,240
Speaker 1: next part that's really scary, is that the do there's

2555
02:09:57,280 --> 02:10:00,320
Speaker 1: a gatekeeper within the industry, and motherfuckers want want to

2556
02:10:00,440 --> 02:10:04,360
Speaker 1: sell their books, they want to promote their podcasts, they

2557
02:10:04,440 --> 02:10:07,520
Speaker 1: want to promote their radio shows, their TV shows, their appearances,

2558
02:10:07,600 --> 02:10:11,960
Speaker 1: their social media, their Instagram, all this shit, and the

2559
02:10:12,080 --> 02:10:15,320
Speaker 1: breakfast Club is definitely seen as a hub for a

2560
02:10:15,400 --> 02:10:19,760
Speaker 1: place to go to promote those things to the black audience. Correct.

2561
02:10:20,400 --> 02:10:26,680
Speaker 1: I've seen prominent voices that I would like to that

2562
02:10:26,800 --> 02:10:30,560
Speaker 1: I do respect I do, but I just don't understand

2563
02:10:30,680 --> 02:10:35,680
Speaker 1: this decision to to cozy up to this. Dude. I

2564
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:38,640
Speaker 1: just don't. I can't. I have a hard time reconciling

2565
02:10:38,720 --> 02:10:41,760
Speaker 1: it with what they claim to stand for. It's just hard,

2566
02:10:41,880 --> 02:10:43,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm not saying it's impossible,

2567
02:10:44,400 --> 02:10:46,040
Speaker 1: but it's just it's hard for me to see what

2568
02:10:46,160 --> 02:10:50,080
Speaker 1: they see. And maybe we're just not in that lane,

2569
02:10:50,480 --> 02:10:52,400
Speaker 1: so we don't. So it's impossible for me and you

2570
02:10:52,480 --> 02:10:55,720
Speaker 1: to get it because we don't have a manager telling

2571
02:10:55,800 --> 02:10:58,200
Speaker 1: us like Rod, listen, Like, I'm sure if I had

2572
02:10:58,240 --> 02:11:00,360
Speaker 1: a manager or somebody, they'd be like, Rod, don't even

2573
02:11:00,360 --> 02:11:02,560
Speaker 1: talk about this on your show. What if we need

2574
02:11:02,680 --> 02:11:04,280
Speaker 1: you to go on that show one day and promote

2575
02:11:04,320 --> 02:11:07,360
Speaker 1: the blackout tips? You know, shit, they would have talked

2576
02:11:07,680 --> 02:11:11,000
Speaker 1: what five six years ago when MTV was reaching out

2577
02:11:11,040 --> 02:11:13,000
Speaker 1: to us and sending me emails like y'all need to

2578
02:11:13,000 --> 02:11:15,280
Speaker 1: have Charlamagne to God on your show, and I was like, nah,

2579
02:11:15,280 --> 02:11:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm good. Well you sure he really would like to

2580
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:19,720
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, I'm sure. I don't want him on

2581
02:11:19,800 --> 02:11:22,480
Speaker 1: my show. And that's before all this shit popped up.

2582
02:11:22,480 --> 02:11:25,120
Speaker 1: I was just like, it just seems like the kind

2583
02:11:25,160 --> 02:11:27,400
Speaker 1: of person that's just like giving the bare minimum for

2584
02:11:27,480 --> 02:11:29,520
Speaker 1: a lot of shit, and I don't really want to

2585
02:11:29,600 --> 02:11:31,200
Speaker 1: reward that, and I don't really want to be attached

2586
02:11:31,200 --> 02:11:34,360
Speaker 1: to it, you know. And maybe that decision is why

2587
02:11:34,400 --> 02:11:36,440
Speaker 1: I'm able to just be like this today and just

2588
02:11:36,520 --> 02:11:38,480
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I don't know, I don't really fuck

2589
02:11:38,520 --> 02:11:41,400
Speaker 1: with this dude. But in general, this shit sounds weird,

2590
02:11:41,720 --> 02:11:44,720
Speaker 1: It sounds fucked up. It sounds kind of criminal, you

2591
02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:47,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I get to say that, but

2592
02:11:47,440 --> 02:11:49,200
Speaker 1: maybe the people that have cozied up to him are

2593
02:11:49,240 --> 02:11:51,280
Speaker 1: afraid to yeah.

2594
02:11:51,240 --> 02:11:53,280
Speaker 3: Because, like I said, with you being a gatekeeper, that

2595
02:11:53,400 --> 02:11:56,040
Speaker 3: means you make or break careers, you make a break.

2596
02:11:56,080 --> 02:11:56,680
Speaker 1: Make money.

2597
02:11:57,160 --> 02:12:00,560
Speaker 3: You know, you're up with the with and shakers, And

2598
02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:05,240
Speaker 3: it's one of those things where people have to believe,

2599
02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:07,720
Speaker 3: you mean, somebody has sat down and done studies and

2600
02:12:07,800 --> 02:12:13,240
Speaker 3: statistics on his audience, you know, and says that if

2601
02:12:13,320 --> 02:12:17,120
Speaker 3: you speak to this audience, we've done studies to say, hey,

2602
02:12:17,440 --> 02:12:19,200
Speaker 3: this is how many people come out, you know what

2603
02:12:19,200 --> 02:12:19,360
Speaker 3: I mean.

2604
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:21,920
Speaker 1: So somebody somewhere has crunched the numbers.

2605
02:12:22,440 --> 02:12:25,960
Speaker 3: And so it's one of those things too where a

2606
02:12:26,040 --> 02:12:30,000
Speaker 3: lot of people when it comes to his fan base,

2607
02:12:30,120 --> 02:12:34,160
Speaker 3: a lot of people either they're very quiet, like a

2608
02:12:34,240 --> 02:12:36,720
Speaker 3: lot of people actually watching this in and they're for

2609
02:12:36,800 --> 02:12:39,160
Speaker 3: the train wreck, and they don't say anything online because they.

2610
02:12:39,080 --> 02:12:40,760
Speaker 1: Know a lot of people just don't fuck with that dude.

2611
02:12:41,000 --> 02:12:43,840
Speaker 1: And honestly, like I just know personally, I've done a

2612
02:12:43,880 --> 02:12:47,360
Speaker 1: lot to stay away from the idea of gatekeeping. That's

2613
02:12:47,400 --> 02:12:49,080
Speaker 1: one of the reasons we do our podcasts and we

2614
02:12:49,160 --> 02:12:51,880
Speaker 1: depend on each other, you know what I mean. It's

2615
02:12:51,880 --> 02:12:53,400
Speaker 1: one of the reasons we didn't try to add a

2616
02:12:53,440 --> 02:12:56,320
Speaker 1: bunch of people's shows to our network. It's one of

2617
02:12:56,360 --> 02:12:59,080
Speaker 1: the reasons I've never wanted to, like, I want to

2618
02:12:59,120 --> 02:13:01,520
Speaker 1: out of the podcast group. I don't like that feeling.

2619
02:13:02,040 --> 02:13:02,560
Speaker 1: I didn't want.

2620
02:13:02,600 --> 02:13:06,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to be in the like these Facebook communities.

2621
02:13:05,640 --> 02:13:07,480
Speaker 1: And shit like, I don't like the idea of people

2622
02:13:07,560 --> 02:13:11,280
Speaker 1: looking at me like come fix this, or kick this

2623
02:13:11,400 --> 02:13:13,840
Speaker 1: person out, or do this thing, you know, get your

2624
02:13:14,120 --> 02:13:17,040
Speaker 1: king Solomon on or whatever the fuck it's not it's

2625
02:13:17,120 --> 02:13:21,520
Speaker 1: not attractive to me, but also because of not not

2626
02:13:21,640 --> 02:13:23,840
Speaker 1: because I couldn't do the job or I couldn't try

2627
02:13:23,880 --> 02:13:26,640
Speaker 1: to at least be fair. But it's more about the

2628
02:13:26,720 --> 02:13:28,960
Speaker 1: idea of how people look at you. It changes people,

2629
02:13:29,080 --> 02:13:32,080
Speaker 1: It changes they start looking at you different, and it

2630
02:13:32,160 --> 02:13:35,840
Speaker 1: becomes about this loyalty that's no longer attached, and the

2631
02:13:35,920 --> 02:13:39,200
Speaker 1: animosity as well. But it comes about like they put

2632
02:13:39,240 --> 02:13:42,520
Speaker 1: you on a pedestal to then either shit on you

2633
02:13:42,640 --> 02:13:44,640
Speaker 1: and want to see you dragged off of or they

2634
02:13:44,680 --> 02:13:46,440
Speaker 1: put you on a pedestal and no matter how shitty

2635
02:13:46,480 --> 02:13:49,320
Speaker 1: you are, they didn't justify you being on that pedestal, correct,

2636
02:13:49,480 --> 02:13:51,280
Speaker 1: And both of those are so fucked up to me,

2637
02:13:51,360 --> 02:13:53,680
Speaker 1: and I don't want any part of it. No, I

2638
02:13:53,800 --> 02:13:56,720
Speaker 1: just want to be me. I don't want to be well.

2639
02:13:56,720 --> 02:13:58,360
Speaker 1: I have to be nice to Ride because I like

2640
02:13:58,440 --> 02:14:01,600
Speaker 1: it show, but I think I think he's an asshole,

2641
02:14:01,840 --> 02:14:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, I just think I'm an asshole and just

2642
02:14:03,480 --> 02:14:07,120
Speaker 1: don't fuck with me, like I'd rather at least that's honest,

2643
02:14:07,960 --> 02:14:09,760
Speaker 1: you know, rather than you think of an asshole and

2644
02:14:09,800 --> 02:14:11,400
Speaker 1: you keep pretending to like me because you think it's

2645
02:14:11,400 --> 02:14:13,040
Speaker 1: gonna get you on to something that I don't have

2646
02:14:13,160 --> 02:14:16,120
Speaker 1: access to do anyway. Come on, you know Now his

2647
02:14:16,240 --> 02:14:20,520
Speaker 1: lawyer did it's folksperson put out a statement to clarify

2648
02:14:20,600 --> 02:14:23,920
Speaker 1: the incident that kurt the Tribe on the twenty fifteen

2649
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:27,360
Speaker 1: podcasts happened twenty years ago. He told the story then,

2650
02:14:27,560 --> 02:14:30,919
Speaker 1: but this should reflect that this happened in the late nineties,

2651
02:14:31,040 --> 02:14:34,360
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, she said in an email to the route.

2652
02:14:36,640 --> 02:14:39,240
Speaker 1: So now it didn't happen, just it didn't happen in

2653
02:14:39,280 --> 02:14:41,520
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, so it was a long time ago. So

2654
02:14:41,680 --> 02:14:44,200
Speaker 1: can we move on? Guys? Have we all had enough?

2655
02:14:46,160 --> 02:14:50,400
Speaker 1: Not a paper There's been paperwork out there for this shit,

2656
02:14:50,840 --> 02:14:54,040
Speaker 1: and y'all can look look it up for yourselves. But

2657
02:14:54,200 --> 02:14:57,440
Speaker 1: it contradicts what he's saying now. I mean, I guess

2658
02:14:57,480 --> 02:15:01,400
Speaker 1: it's in to a certain extent. These are like accusations,

2659
02:15:01,960 --> 02:15:05,600
Speaker 1: so maybe that he can say something about was just

2660
02:15:05,640 --> 02:15:09,600
Speaker 1: an accusation or something. But I mean, the probation deal

2661
02:15:09,720 --> 02:15:12,040
Speaker 1: that that's on that paperwork is not what he said,

2662
02:15:13,720 --> 02:15:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, the the charges where he said he wasn't

2663
02:15:18,080 --> 02:15:21,680
Speaker 1: accused of anything and he wasn't even in the room.

2664
02:15:22,320 --> 02:15:23,880
Speaker 2: And nobody raped the girl.

2665
02:15:24,440 --> 02:15:26,800
Speaker 1: She literally said it was him and that he did

2666
02:15:27,480 --> 02:15:29,920
Speaker 1: sexually saw her and she remember him penetrating her, and

2667
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:31,960
Speaker 1: all this shit him specifically.

2668
02:15:32,080 --> 02:15:34,400
Speaker 2: She didn't name other people or nothing, just him.

2669
02:15:35,600 --> 02:15:40,160
Speaker 1: So for all this, you know, like he already spoke

2670
02:15:40,160 --> 02:15:43,080
Speaker 1: about this, He didn't say that shit. The shit he

2671
02:15:43,200 --> 02:15:46,640
Speaker 1: said was not that. So there's a lot of people

2672
02:15:46,680 --> 02:15:50,400
Speaker 1: walking around like it's open and shutcase, and what are

2673
02:15:50,440 --> 02:15:52,840
Speaker 1: we even talking about it for? Well, it's coming back

2674
02:15:52,920 --> 02:15:56,240
Speaker 1: up because it doesn't job with what he said. But

2675
02:15:56,800 --> 02:16:00,480
Speaker 1: if that's gonna fuck up your fun, then nobody wants

2676
02:16:00,520 --> 02:16:04,920
Speaker 1: to hear it. You know, It's that simple. Really, are

2677
02:16:05,000 --> 02:16:07,760
Speaker 1: y'all going to fuck up my fund and make me

2678
02:16:07,920 --> 02:16:10,320
Speaker 1: have to feel some kind of way about the fact

2679
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:13,880
Speaker 1: that I'm looking at this dude that's saying he already

2680
02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:15,440
Speaker 1: talked about it, and I just want to listen to

2681
02:16:15,440 --> 02:16:17,680
Speaker 1: the show and laugh, and they give me that agnrant

2682
02:16:17,760 --> 02:16:20,280
Speaker 1: nigga shit ha ha ha. Try and bring a black

2683
02:16:20,360 --> 02:16:22,840
Speaker 1: man down, you know how it is. He's getting a

2684
02:16:22,960 --> 02:16:25,000
Speaker 1: deal with HBO. He's about to buy NBC or whatever

2685
02:16:25,080 --> 02:16:28,200
Speaker 1: the fuck NBC. But that's how it is. Though anytime

2686
02:16:28,360 --> 02:16:31,600
Speaker 1: it's a black dude, it's something. It's some other reason

2687
02:16:31,640 --> 02:16:37,080
Speaker 1: why it's okay right within our culture, right because racism

2688
02:16:37,200 --> 02:16:40,720
Speaker 1: is real. But at the same time, like everything can't

2689
02:16:40,800 --> 02:16:46,680
Speaker 1: be defended by I'm black. Yeah, Like this paperwork that

2690
02:16:46,879 --> 02:16:50,120
Speaker 1: own over between June A, two thousand and June nine,

2691
02:16:50,120 --> 02:16:53,000
Speaker 1: two thousand and one at short State Villa Monks Corner,

2692
02:16:53,080 --> 02:16:55,920
Speaker 1: South Carolina, located within the County and state afore said

2693
02:16:55,959 --> 02:16:59,480
Speaker 1: defendant Lenard Larry mckelvy did commit the offensive criminal sexual

2694
02:16:59,520 --> 02:17:03,480
Speaker 1: conduct with a minor's second degree and violation of S

2695
02:17:03,680 --> 02:17:05,840
Speaker 1: one six, that is whatever statue that is of the

2696
02:17:05,879 --> 02:17:08,760
Speaker 1: South Carolina Codes the lost in nineteen seventy six, as

2697
02:17:08,800 --> 02:17:11,160
Speaker 1: amended in that the defendant, who was a twenty two

2698
02:17:11,240 --> 02:17:15,560
Speaker 1: year old adult male, did willfully, unlawfully and feloniously engage

2699
02:17:15,560 --> 02:17:18,240
Speaker 1: in penile vaginal intercourse with a fifteen year old female

2700
02:17:18,360 --> 02:17:22,880
Speaker 1: child who copsted that if they didn't do it facts

2701
02:17:22,920 --> 02:17:25,600
Speaker 1: to establish the afore said one. On the morning of

2702
02:17:26,160 --> 02:17:30,400
Speaker 1: the six, nine oh one, the Berkeley County Sheriff's Office

2703
02:17:30,480 --> 02:17:32,920
Speaker 1: was contacted by Joscelyn Reed, the mother of the miner. Now,

2704
02:17:33,000 --> 02:17:35,119
Speaker 1: she provided her name in this paperwork. That's the only

2705
02:17:35,120 --> 02:17:38,279
Speaker 1: reason reading it, because she basically wanted to be believed.

2706
02:17:38,520 --> 02:17:40,600
Speaker 1: She's like, here's the paperwork with the version of events

2707
02:17:40,640 --> 02:17:42,120
Speaker 1: that actually happen versus what.

2708
02:17:42,160 --> 02:17:42,880
Speaker 2: He've been telling y'all.

2709
02:17:43,640 --> 02:17:45,600
Speaker 1: After she received the phone call advising her a sexual

2710
02:17:45,600 --> 02:17:47,880
Speaker 1: assault that had occurred with her fifteen year old daughter,

2711
02:17:48,080 --> 02:17:51,720
Speaker 1: that's her mom, the minor female was transported by EMS

2712
02:17:51,760 --> 02:17:54,920
Speaker 1: to Somerville Medical Center for treatment of injury sustained during

2713
02:17:54,959 --> 02:18:00,600
Speaker 1: sexual assault. The offiant responded to the Summerville Medical Center

2714
02:18:00,640 --> 02:18:03,000
Speaker 1: and obtained a verbal and or written statement from the

2715
02:18:03,080 --> 02:18:05,720
Speaker 1: modern female that implicates the defendant in the sexual assault.

2716
02:18:07,520 --> 02:18:10,760
Speaker 1: Examinations are conducted by the some of your medical center

2717
02:18:10,800 --> 02:18:15,200
Speaker 1: corroborated that a sexual assault had occurred. So for the

2718
02:18:15,280 --> 02:18:20,800
Speaker 1: whole nobody raped anybody. She just just some random person

2719
02:18:20,879 --> 02:18:21,320
Speaker 1: that did this.

2720
02:18:22,280 --> 02:18:22,400
Speaker 8: Oh.

2721
02:18:22,560 --> 02:18:24,800
Speaker 1: Also in the interview, she says they were friends. She

2722
02:18:24,920 --> 02:18:27,200
Speaker 1: knew him, and she couldn't believe he would do that

2723
02:18:27,200 --> 02:18:29,080
Speaker 1: because she didn't like him like that, and he knew that.

2724
02:18:29,959 --> 02:18:31,840
Speaker 2: So he said it was a friend of a friend

2725
02:18:31,920 --> 02:18:33,600
Speaker 2: of his cousin. The girl he's come around.

2726
02:18:33,680 --> 02:18:35,960
Speaker 1: He didn't know anything about her. She's like, that was

2727
02:18:36,040 --> 02:18:38,160
Speaker 1: my friend. He like, she said she made his parents

2728
02:18:38,200 --> 02:18:43,200
Speaker 1: that day. Who does that? But but but in the

2729
02:18:43,240 --> 02:18:45,880
Speaker 1: story retelling, Hey, well, I don't know this motherfucker at all, barely.

2730
02:18:45,959 --> 02:18:47,760
Speaker 1: She's just a woman that came to apart and started

2731
02:18:47,760 --> 02:18:53,280
Speaker 1: accusing people. Shit five, the offian, through investigation, was able

2732
02:18:53,360 --> 02:18:56,200
Speaker 1: to locate the incident location that confirmed that this incident

2733
02:18:56,240 --> 02:19:02,880
Speaker 1: occurred in Berkeley County. So yeah, that that was one things.

2734
02:19:04,800 --> 02:19:06,840
Speaker 1: Then let me see they had like three or fort

2735
02:19:06,840 --> 02:19:14,480
Speaker 1: of these pages. Yeah, they blacked out her name. But

2736
02:19:14,600 --> 02:19:19,800
Speaker 1: then yeah, then they had the description of the offense

2737
02:19:20,120 --> 02:19:23,400
Speaker 1: that he pleaded out to was criminal sexual conduct with

2738
02:19:23,480 --> 02:19:31,960
Speaker 1: a minor. You know, like, what is this dog? Yeah,

2739
02:19:32,040 --> 02:19:34,359
Speaker 1: that he did violate the criminal laws of South Carolina.

2740
02:19:34,440 --> 02:19:37,000
Speaker 1: And then the criminal offense is criminal sexual contact with

2741
02:19:37,080 --> 02:19:40,199
Speaker 1: a minor not contributed to getting drunk of with a minor.

2742
02:19:40,240 --> 02:19:42,480
Speaker 1: I mean, unless there's some other paperwork that's not out there,

2743
02:19:43,440 --> 02:19:45,480
Speaker 1: then this plea is not what he said it was.

2744
02:19:47,160 --> 02:19:50,200
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, dog Like, maybe maybe that's

2745
02:19:50,240 --> 02:19:53,840
Speaker 1: what he's gonna come forward with, is some paperwork that's like, well, actually,

2746
02:19:54,920 --> 02:19:57,200
Speaker 1: this this is this is some initial paperwork, and what

2747
02:19:57,280 --> 02:20:00,400
Speaker 1: I pleaded to was different. I don't know, but the

2748
02:20:00,440 --> 02:20:03,440
Speaker 1: paperwork she provided it ain't saying nothing about that shit.

2749
02:20:03,520 --> 02:20:10,119
Speaker 1: He said, Yeah, they got the arrest warrant. He said,

2750
02:20:10,120 --> 02:20:12,640
Speaker 1: there wasn't a warrant for his arrest. There is there was.

2751
02:20:13,440 --> 02:20:16,280
Speaker 1: She had that shit out, it was signed, had his

2752
02:20:16,440 --> 02:20:21,400
Speaker 1: name on it stamped, and then this one was a

2753
02:20:21,640 --> 02:20:24,400
Speaker 1: service of the warrant. On the above Dayton Thimas deputy

2754
02:20:24,440 --> 02:20:30,040
Speaker 1: made contact with the subject McLevy, Leonard Michelvie, Leonard Larry.

2755
02:20:30,840 --> 02:20:33,600
Speaker 1: Subject was placed under arrest for outstanding warrant issued by

2756
02:20:33,720 --> 02:20:37,440
Speaker 1: Magistrate Elizabeth AS Harper six twelve oh one. Subject was

2757
02:20:37,480 --> 02:20:40,880
Speaker 1: served with a warrant for criminal sexual conduct with a

2758
02:20:40,959 --> 02:20:44,879
Speaker 1: minor and second second degree. Subject was placed in Berkeley

2759
02:20:44,959 --> 02:20:47,280
Speaker 1: County Detention Center where he was processing the issue of

2760
02:20:47,320 --> 02:20:48,080
Speaker 1: copy that said.

2761
02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:51,600
Speaker 2: Warrant, service of a warrant and then the warrant number.

2762
02:20:51,879 --> 02:20:56,400
Speaker 1: Like, did this sound like what he said? I played

2763
02:20:56,440 --> 02:20:59,000
Speaker 1: the interview with academics on the show. Does it sound

2764
02:20:59,080 --> 02:21:00,640
Speaker 1: like what he was talking about? M M?

2765
02:21:01,600 --> 02:21:04,080
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know.

2766
02:21:04,600 --> 02:21:06,800
Speaker 1: I don't know how people can be so fucking cut

2767
02:21:06,879 --> 02:21:08,640
Speaker 1: and driver like nope, and nothing to see here. He

2768
02:21:08,720 --> 02:21:13,560
Speaker 1: already talked about it. Yeah, indictment for criminal sexual conduct

2769
02:21:13,640 --> 02:21:17,720
Speaker 1: second degree at a Court of General Sessions convene August

2770
02:21:17,720 --> 02:21:18,800
Speaker 1: twenty nine, two thousand and one.

2771
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:22,080
Speaker 2: They present upon their oath that Leonard L.

2772
02:21:22,200 --> 02:21:25,320
Speaker 1: Mckavy did in Berkeley County on or about the eighth

2773
02:21:25,360 --> 02:21:27,280
Speaker 1: day of June two thousand and one, willfully, unlawfully and

2774
02:21:28,280 --> 02:21:31,880
Speaker 1: failoniously engaged in penile vaginal intercourse with a fifteen year

2775
02:21:31,879 --> 02:21:35,280
Speaker 1: old female. This a violation of the code in South

2776
02:21:35,320 --> 02:21:37,160
Speaker 1: Carolina as amended.

2777
02:21:37,480 --> 02:21:37,800
Speaker 3: So I.

2778
02:21:40,400 --> 02:21:44,199
Speaker 1: Do y'all tell me? Am I tripping? Am I making

2779
02:21:44,240 --> 02:21:47,600
Speaker 1: this shit up? You know what I'm saying? Like, nobody

2780
02:21:47,680 --> 02:21:49,640
Speaker 1: feel no kind of way about Like, man, this scene

2781
02:21:49,720 --> 02:21:52,280
Speaker 1: kind of fucked up. It seemed like he lying, seemed

2782
02:21:52,360 --> 02:21:58,160
Speaker 1: like something not right at least, you know. So Yeah,

2783
02:21:58,240 --> 02:22:01,640
Speaker 1: then they have this die document State of South Carolina

2784
02:22:04,600 --> 02:22:08,920
Speaker 1: in the Court of General Sessions Direct Indictment Data Offense

2785
02:22:09,120 --> 02:22:12,760
Speaker 1: South Carolina, DA DA DA DA. And this is his plead. Okay,

2786
02:22:12,840 --> 02:22:16,480
Speaker 1: So he plead down to contributing to the delinquency of

2787
02:22:16,560 --> 02:22:17,000
Speaker 1: a minor.

2788
02:22:17,959 --> 02:22:23,520
Speaker 2: So he was accused of sexual assault. He was accused specifically.

2789
02:22:23,280 --> 02:22:27,200
Speaker 1: By of him doing it to this girl, and because

2790
02:22:27,280 --> 02:22:29,720
Speaker 1: she did not testify, they pleaded down to a non

2791
02:22:29,879 --> 02:22:33,840
Speaker 1: violent contributing to the delinquency of a minor and that's

2792
02:22:33,879 --> 02:22:39,480
Speaker 1: what he was convicted of or whatnot. But you know,

2793
02:22:39,640 --> 02:22:41,640
Speaker 1: according to him, he was never there, He was never

2794
02:22:42,200 --> 02:22:44,720
Speaker 1: there's no warrant, he was never charged of anything. Blah

2795
02:22:44,720 --> 02:22:46,680
Speaker 1: blah blah. He just except he just went down there

2796
02:22:46,680 --> 02:22:50,840
Speaker 1: and and you know, volunteered them to arrest him. And

2797
02:22:50,959 --> 02:22:54,680
Speaker 1: then yeah, and then the last one says the indictment

2798
02:22:54,720 --> 02:22:58,879
Speaker 1: status change for him happened because the victim was uncooperative,

2799
02:22:58,920 --> 02:23:01,240
Speaker 1: and she says in the inner her mom basically would

2800
02:23:01,320 --> 02:23:07,480
Speaker 1: not allow her to testify, which you know, sometimes people

2801
02:23:07,600 --> 02:23:10,440
Speaker 1: do to try to protect, you know, their loved ones

2802
02:23:10,560 --> 02:23:12,760
Speaker 1: or protect a young you know, a kid against some

2803
02:23:12,840 --> 02:23:17,400
Speaker 1: shit who knows, but you know, and also for shame

2804
02:23:17,440 --> 02:23:19,880
Speaker 1: and shit, because a lot of times parents would be like,

2805
02:23:20,080 --> 02:23:22,040
Speaker 1: you went to that party, and I'm blaming you.

2806
02:23:23,080 --> 02:23:26,440
Speaker 2: It's your fault, you know, And so they contribute to

2807
02:23:26,879 --> 02:23:27,840
Speaker 2: the whole thing, you know.

2808
02:23:28,040 --> 02:23:30,080
Speaker 1: And if he's telling the truth about that other story,

2809
02:23:30,440 --> 02:23:33,000
Speaker 1: he might have done something similar to somebody else. And

2810
02:23:33,080 --> 02:23:35,879
Speaker 1: the girl said she felt like she was drugs. Her

2811
02:23:35,959 --> 02:23:38,440
Speaker 1: and her friend drank from some cups that they were

2812
02:23:38,480 --> 02:23:42,320
Speaker 1: given by him, and her friends started throwing up because

2813
02:23:42,320 --> 02:23:44,600
Speaker 1: she started drinking first, and she drank a little bit more,

2814
02:23:45,040 --> 02:23:47,040
Speaker 1: and she tried to take care of friend and get

2815
02:23:47,080 --> 02:23:49,440
Speaker 1: some towels and stuff, and then when she got up,

2816
02:23:49,640 --> 02:23:52,600
Speaker 1: she started getting ready, throwing up and passing out, and

2817
02:23:52,920 --> 02:23:55,039
Speaker 1: she remembered coming to with him on top of her.

2818
02:23:57,360 --> 02:24:02,040
Speaker 1: But obviously, but somehow, you know, we're not supposed to

2819
02:24:02,040 --> 02:24:05,680
Speaker 1: believe her, but we're supposed to believe him because he said, right,

2820
02:24:06,080 --> 02:24:10,840
Speaker 1: it's just wild and it's in the sad. I talked

2821
02:24:10,879 --> 02:24:12,760
Speaker 1: about this on Saturday, and I hate to be right,

2822
02:24:13,040 --> 02:24:16,360
Speaker 1: but I knew. I knew it would happen today. Angela

2823
02:24:16,480 --> 02:24:21,320
Speaker 1: Rai defends Charlot Magne could have said nothing because none

2824
02:24:21,320 --> 02:24:22,960
Speaker 1: of us is in that room. We don't really know.

2825
02:24:23,600 --> 02:24:25,880
Speaker 1: We are just now hearing her version of events for

2826
02:24:25,959 --> 02:24:28,920
Speaker 1: the first time, so we don't you know what I mean, Like,

2827
02:24:29,120 --> 02:24:31,280
Speaker 1: if this was my friend, the most I could say

2828
02:24:31,360 --> 02:24:32,760
Speaker 1: is I wasn't in the room, and I hope you

2829
02:24:32,800 --> 02:24:35,360
Speaker 1: didn't do it same. But that ain't what she said.

2830
02:24:36,080 --> 02:24:39,000
Speaker 1: So somebody asked her on Facebook because I'm sure a

2831
02:24:39,040 --> 02:24:41,160
Speaker 1: lot of people are asking the women around him that

2832
02:24:41,320 --> 02:24:43,400
Speaker 1: go on his shows, that call him their friend, that

2833
02:24:43,920 --> 02:24:45,879
Speaker 1: that work with him and work for him.

2834
02:24:46,200 --> 02:24:48,640
Speaker 2: They're asking them like, Yo, what's up? Like why y'all

2835
02:24:48,720 --> 02:24:51,199
Speaker 2: fuck with him? You know, this shit seems.

2836
02:24:50,920 --> 02:24:54,520
Speaker 1: Pretty fucked up, And to a large part of the credit,

2837
02:24:55,080 --> 02:24:56,800
Speaker 1: I'm guessing a lot of those women are not gonna

2838
02:24:56,800 --> 02:24:59,360
Speaker 1: say shit, even if they continue to work with them.

2839
02:24:59,520 --> 02:25:01,600
Speaker 1: It's probably to their credit to not say anything, because

2840
02:25:01,600 --> 02:25:05,360
Speaker 1: it's really not their place to fucking talk about what

2841
02:25:05,520 --> 02:25:07,920
Speaker 1: this man did twenty years ago. They weren't there and

2842
02:25:08,000 --> 02:25:13,400
Speaker 1: they don't know, right, And maybe if they feel like

2843
02:25:13,520 --> 02:25:15,920
Speaker 1: strongly about it that he did it, I can see.

2844
02:25:15,800 --> 02:25:17,600
Speaker 2: Them coming out and being like, no, I don't want

2845
02:25:17,640 --> 02:25:18,120
Speaker 2: to work with him.

2846
02:25:18,160 --> 02:25:20,600
Speaker 1: But maybe they don't feel that way. They may be

2847
02:25:20,680 --> 02:25:23,879
Speaker 1: feeling kind of like, I don't know what happened, because

2848
02:25:23,920 --> 02:25:27,560
Speaker 1: technically I don't know what happened. Right, This is all speculation.

2849
02:25:27,840 --> 02:25:32,120
Speaker 1: It's just we've never had another version of events until this, right,

2850
02:25:32,280 --> 02:25:37,440
Speaker 1: So if everything is it's all some type of setup.

2851
02:25:37,520 --> 02:25:40,880
Speaker 1: If Star is just out to get this dude, and

2852
02:25:40,959 --> 02:25:43,520
Speaker 1: he's just trying to start some shit because he doesn't

2853
02:25:43,640 --> 02:25:44,920
Speaker 1: like him and he don't want to see him get

2854
02:25:44,959 --> 02:25:47,640
Speaker 1: his HBO deal. The truth will come out. It could

2855
02:25:47,720 --> 02:25:49,800
Speaker 1: be possible. All that shit could be possible. I'm not

2856
02:25:49,879 --> 02:25:53,280
Speaker 1: really ruling anything out, but I am saying what he

2857
02:25:53,440 --> 02:25:57,880
Speaker 1: said and what this paperwork said are totally different. Anyway,

2858
02:25:58,920 --> 02:26:01,080
Speaker 1: So someone asked her, Angela, are you going to speak

2859
02:26:01,360 --> 02:26:04,119
Speaker 1: on your friend Charlamagne allegedly drugging then raping a fifteen

2860
02:26:04,200 --> 02:26:06,200
Speaker 1: year old girl years ago. I know you speak up

2861
02:26:06,200 --> 02:26:09,160
Speaker 1: for black women being respected, but for some reason, you're

2862
02:26:09,200 --> 02:26:10,680
Speaker 1: kind of quiet on the subject. I hope you don't

2863
02:26:10,720 --> 02:26:12,800
Speaker 1: let it slide, and I hope for it and hope

2864
02:26:12,800 --> 02:26:14,840
Speaker 1: for it to go away. I'm just thinking out loud

2865
02:26:17,160 --> 02:26:20,800
Speaker 1: now before I reach out. His answer, Angelai has a

2866
02:26:20,840 --> 02:26:25,720
Speaker 1: podcast called on One. She had an episode and I

2867
02:26:25,760 --> 02:26:27,400
Speaker 1: tweeted about it, and I think I even put it

2868
02:26:27,440 --> 02:26:29,480
Speaker 1: on some stuff on Facebook about it when I because

2869
02:26:29,480 --> 02:26:34,720
Speaker 1: I listened to it and honestly, I could not believe

2870
02:26:34,760 --> 02:26:44,640
Speaker 1: what I was listening to, Like it was so messy.

2871
02:26:44,720 --> 02:26:46,120
Speaker 2: I guess the best way to describe it.

2872
02:26:46,360 --> 02:26:51,600
Speaker 1: It was called Let's Talk about Sex SHOWO harassment featuring

2873
02:26:51,720 --> 02:26:56,360
Speaker 1: marketing Girul. I didn't think of a play marketing guru

2874
02:26:57,080 --> 02:27:03,640
Speaker 1: Christy Henderson. Christy would a I uh, it's from It

2875
02:27:03,720 --> 02:27:06,360
Speaker 1: does not have the date on it, but anyway, you

2876
02:27:06,440 --> 02:27:08,480
Speaker 1: can listen to it for yourself if y'all need to

2877
02:27:08,520 --> 02:27:11,200
Speaker 1: hear I do. I will tell you it's a tough listen,

2878
02:27:11,800 --> 02:27:14,600
Speaker 1: especially if you're it's a tough listen. If you listen

2879
02:27:14,640 --> 02:27:16,640
Speaker 1: to this show, you don't have a tough time listening

2880
02:27:16,640 --> 02:27:18,120
Speaker 1: to that show. I'm just gonna tell you right now,

2881
02:27:18,160 --> 02:27:21,600
Speaker 1: because like it was messy and as as own point

2882
02:27:21,640 --> 02:27:25,160
Speaker 1: as as Angela is about race, she is that off

2883
02:27:25,240 --> 02:27:28,440
Speaker 1: point when it comes to like sexual assault, slut shame,

2884
02:27:28,560 --> 02:27:31,800
Speaker 1: and like this shit was sketchy as fucked. I haven't

2885
02:27:31,800 --> 02:27:34,120
Speaker 1: even listened to the show since, and she's had some

2886
02:27:34,200 --> 02:27:35,760
Speaker 1: guests that I wanted to hear, and I was just like,

2887
02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:38,800
Speaker 1: I don't think I could. Really, this is some wild shit,

2888
02:27:39,000 --> 02:27:42,640
Speaker 1: Like I can't believe she's so fucking focused and on,

2889
02:27:42,920 --> 02:27:44,640
Speaker 1: Like when you see her talk about race and shit

2890
02:27:44,680 --> 02:27:46,120
Speaker 1: on singing this like.

2891
02:27:48,120 --> 02:27:48,800
Speaker 5: You know what this is.

2892
02:27:49,200 --> 02:27:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it again, this is that thing where

2893
02:27:50,959 --> 02:27:53,240
Speaker 1: you have to learn to love people differently. I root

2894
02:27:53,320 --> 02:27:55,680
Speaker 1: for her from afar, but I also understand that like

2895
02:27:56,959 --> 02:27:59,160
Speaker 1: she on some other shit. When it comes to matters

2896
02:27:59,200 --> 02:28:01,200
Speaker 1: of sexual harass and a sexual assault, she on some

2897
02:28:01,280 --> 02:28:05,040
Speaker 1: other shit, like there's some like real pick me type

2898
02:28:05,080 --> 02:28:11,879
Speaker 1: shit anyway, And I understand that the intersection of being

2899
02:28:11,959 --> 02:28:14,960
Speaker 1: black and being a woman at the same time. In

2900
02:28:15,080 --> 02:28:16,960
Speaker 1: a lot of cases, it's like you gotta pick being

2901
02:28:17,040 --> 02:28:19,760
Speaker 1: black over being a woman for a lot of women.

2902
02:28:20,240 --> 02:28:22,400
Speaker 1: And when it comes to sexual assault, a lot of

2903
02:28:22,440 --> 02:28:25,840
Speaker 1: women will readily buy into like the whole theory of

2904
02:28:27,400 --> 02:28:30,320
Speaker 1: black men are basically all innocent of sexual assaults and

2905
02:28:30,760 --> 02:28:32,760
Speaker 1: the white men and the system are just trying to

2906
02:28:32,800 --> 02:28:35,600
Speaker 1: get us, so they really are no black male rapists.

2907
02:28:36,640 --> 02:28:39,879
Speaker 1: It's just it's just, you know, it's just a system.

2908
02:28:40,360 --> 02:28:45,360
Speaker 1: And they'll extend that shit from Emmitt til to it

2909
02:28:45,600 --> 02:28:49,480
Speaker 1: to motherfuckers that are just actually fucking rapists. They'll be like, well,

2910
02:28:49,520 --> 02:28:51,440
Speaker 1: it could just be motherfuckers trying to get the black

2911
02:28:51,480 --> 02:28:53,720
Speaker 1: men to get them out of there. It's a paranoia

2912
02:28:53,800 --> 02:28:55,720
Speaker 1: that we all live with. I delve with it too.

2913
02:28:56,440 --> 02:28:58,760
Speaker 1: I'm not like I'm not I'm subject to this shit too,

2914
02:28:58,840 --> 02:29:00,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like if I'm on an

2915
02:29:00,440 --> 02:29:03,560
Speaker 1: elevator or a white woman, I definitely feel like I

2916
02:29:04,200 --> 02:29:07,240
Speaker 1: hope that this motherfucker is not some crazy white person

2917
02:29:07,400 --> 02:29:09,160
Speaker 1: like that caused the cops on niggas for standing in

2918
02:29:09,160 --> 02:29:11,120
Speaker 1: the elevators. You know what I mean. I'm not like,

2919
02:29:11,200 --> 02:29:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm not immune to it. I don't want people to

2920
02:29:13,040 --> 02:29:17,120
Speaker 1: start thinking that I am. But I also understand that

2921
02:29:17,200 --> 02:29:22,440
Speaker 1: within reason, there are some niggas that are rapists, right,

2922
02:29:23,240 --> 02:29:24,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And then some of this

2923
02:29:24,800 --> 02:29:28,640
Speaker 1: shit is literally people shielding black men with the whole

2924
02:29:28,840 --> 02:29:33,040
Speaker 1: it's because black men are targeted and white women do this,

2925
02:29:33,320 --> 02:29:36,120
Speaker 1: but then they use it for when the victims are black.

2926
02:29:37,520 --> 02:29:39,440
Speaker 1: People use that shit for like R. Kelly, like he's

2927
02:29:39,440 --> 02:29:41,840
Speaker 1: trying to take down the white man, trying to take

2928
02:29:41,879 --> 02:29:44,960
Speaker 1: him down, like we use it for people that just

2929
02:29:45,360 --> 02:29:50,960
Speaker 1: treat women black women like shit. So anyway, so she replied,

2930
02:29:51,040 --> 02:29:53,560
Speaker 1: since you opted the post about two different incidents and

2931
02:29:53,640 --> 02:29:57,119
Speaker 1: describe neither of them accurately on my Jesus conference post,

2932
02:29:57,200 --> 02:30:00,800
Speaker 1: sure my brother in caps is neither of them molested

2933
02:30:00,879 --> 02:30:04,800
Speaker 1: nor a rapists. He never drugged anyone, He never touched

2934
02:30:04,800 --> 02:30:08,160
Speaker 1: the girl. Read more about the incident for two thousand

2935
02:30:08,160 --> 02:30:10,040
Speaker 1: and one in his book Black Privilege, and note that

2936
02:30:10,080 --> 02:30:12,960
Speaker 1: he regrets having a party where underage folks were drinking

2937
02:30:13,200 --> 02:30:15,760
Speaker 1: when he was young and dumb. That's the only thing

2938
02:30:15,840 --> 02:30:19,440
Speaker 1: he played to Why because there was no physical evidence

2939
02:30:19,480 --> 02:30:20,480
Speaker 1: connecting him to the girl.

2940
02:30:20,600 --> 02:30:22,200
Speaker 2: Why because he never touched her.

2941
02:30:22,440 --> 02:30:27,320
Speaker 1: I truly pray for your peace, wrong piece of mind, truly, However,

2942
02:30:27,760 --> 02:30:31,160
Speaker 1: she will not come up on my brother off a lie.

2943
02:30:32,600 --> 02:30:34,480
Speaker 1: Who are these rape victims that come up?

2944
02:30:34,920 --> 02:30:37,720
Speaker 3: Can y'all name some people be claiming that I've not

2945
02:30:37,879 --> 02:30:40,199
Speaker 3: seen no book deals, I've not seen no movies.

2946
02:30:40,879 --> 02:30:43,880
Speaker 1: Like a lot of times, it's the opposite.

2947
02:30:44,160 --> 02:30:48,200
Speaker 3: You get shamed, you get harassed, you get called everything

2948
02:30:48,320 --> 02:30:51,400
Speaker 3: underneath the sun, you get told your shut up, you

2949
02:30:51,480 --> 02:30:55,920
Speaker 3: get told you're lion, you get called bitch, slut, whoors

2950
02:30:56,240 --> 02:30:58,279
Speaker 3: a lot of times even by your own family members.

2951
02:30:58,720 --> 02:31:02,760
Speaker 3: You basically, people want you not to exist. And there

2952
02:31:02,840 --> 02:31:04,840
Speaker 3: are women that have been said she just so that

2953
02:31:04,920 --> 02:31:06,800
Speaker 3: they feel the same way.

2954
02:31:08,040 --> 02:31:08,840
Speaker 8: That the uh.

2955
02:31:08,959 --> 02:31:12,280
Speaker 3: They would actually argue for the rapist because as far

2956
02:31:12,320 --> 02:31:14,760
Speaker 3: as they're concerned, it was their fault they got raped.

2957
02:31:14,959 --> 02:31:16,840
Speaker 3: And a lot of women have to internalize that stuff.

2958
02:31:16,840 --> 02:31:18,680
Speaker 3: And you have some women that go, I'm never a

2959
02:31:18,760 --> 02:31:21,040
Speaker 3: victim because I always have to be in control. So

2960
02:31:21,680 --> 02:31:24,080
Speaker 3: regardless of what happened, I was in control, And since

2961
02:31:24,120 --> 02:31:25,720
Speaker 3: I was in control, I'm not a victim.

2962
02:31:25,800 --> 02:31:28,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, you bitch just had this shit coming to you, right,

2963
02:31:29,520 --> 02:31:31,280
Speaker 1: and you want to know what's okay? And then she

2964
02:31:31,400 --> 02:31:34,119
Speaker 1: finishes off with this. God bless you and your family.

2965
02:31:34,240 --> 02:31:37,119
Speaker 1: I stayed for the truth before I stand for anything else.

2966
02:31:37,160 --> 02:31:39,879
Speaker 1: God bless you in your family. You weren't in the room.

2967
02:31:40,080 --> 02:31:44,600
Speaker 1: You cannot conclusively say shit, two nobody, how did this

2968
02:31:44,680 --> 02:31:48,240
Speaker 1: woman come up off of this? Shed not't getting paid.

2969
02:31:48,360 --> 02:31:50,200
Speaker 1: So here's a deeper point I wanted to throw up

2970
02:31:50,440 --> 02:31:54,040
Speaker 1: throw out there. Let's say she did get paid. Let's

2971
02:31:54,080 --> 02:31:58,400
Speaker 1: say she civilly sued them for some money. It's fucked

2972
02:31:58,440 --> 02:32:01,360
Speaker 1: up in our society because we have a capitalist society.

2973
02:32:01,600 --> 02:32:03,720
Speaker 2: The closest thing any of us can get to justice

2974
02:32:03,840 --> 02:32:04,039
Speaker 2: is some.

2975
02:32:04,160 --> 02:32:09,440
Speaker 1: Money, right money We will never get like fair equity

2976
02:32:09,520 --> 02:32:12,720
Speaker 1: in the court of log typically, so we go to

2977
02:32:12,800 --> 02:32:18,520
Speaker 1: civil court. Many sexual assault survivors have to resort to this.

2978
02:32:19,720 --> 02:32:26,199
Speaker 1: It's not just it's not like the criminal the criminal

2979
02:32:27,080 --> 02:32:30,879
Speaker 1: standard of beyond the shadow of a doubt type of shit.

2980
02:32:31,000 --> 02:32:34,960
Speaker 1: You know, like that is so hard to prove a

2981
02:32:35,040 --> 02:32:38,600
Speaker 1: sexual assault because you can actually have sexu with a person.

2982
02:32:39,200 --> 02:32:41,280
Speaker 1: DNA can come back and and be like, well, that

2983
02:32:41,400 --> 02:32:46,080
Speaker 1: was consensual sex, not sexual assault. Right, Like many this

2984
02:32:46,240 --> 02:32:49,880
Speaker 1: is almost an rape is almost an impossible crime to

2985
02:32:50,120 --> 02:32:53,959
Speaker 1: prove unless it is a certain type of sexual assault

2986
02:32:53,959 --> 02:32:56,440
Speaker 1: where it's like I don't know this person, or they

2987
02:32:56,520 --> 02:33:01,000
Speaker 1: say we never had sex, or they say, you know,

2988
02:33:01,200 --> 02:33:03,480
Speaker 1: like something like they have to have certain types of

2989
02:33:07,560 --> 02:33:09,360
Speaker 1: certain types. That has to be like jumping out the

2990
02:33:09,400 --> 02:33:13,040
Speaker 1: bushes on somebody before we say that, right, Like, for

2991
02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:15,440
Speaker 1: the most part, it's like, well, it's possible it could

2992
02:33:15,440 --> 02:33:18,880
Speaker 1: have been sex, so therefore you have no case. But

2993
02:33:19,040 --> 02:33:21,960
Speaker 1: in civil case, in civil court the burden of proof

2994
02:33:22,080 --> 02:33:24,879
Speaker 1: is lowered a bit, and so sometimes you can get money.

2995
02:33:25,160 --> 02:33:28,320
Speaker 2: Sometimes people settle out of court, well because of them.

2996
02:33:28,320 --> 02:33:31,960
Speaker 1: In the capitalist society, we have made the pursuit of

2997
02:33:32,120 --> 02:33:35,160
Speaker 1: justice something that should be altruistic. But the pursuit of

2998
02:33:35,320 --> 02:33:38,160
Speaker 1: justice costs fucking money. So in order to go through

2999
02:33:38,160 --> 02:33:41,560
Speaker 1: our legal system, you need money, right. You gotta pay

3000
02:33:41,600 --> 02:33:44,520
Speaker 1: your lawyer, you gotta pay all these court costs, all

3001
02:33:44,600 --> 02:33:47,200
Speaker 1: this shit. Right, So you don't have a choice that

3002
02:33:47,280 --> 02:33:49,440
Speaker 1: if you're gonna pursue justice for this person in the

3003
02:33:49,520 --> 02:33:51,080
Speaker 1: court a low because you didn't get it in the

3004
02:33:51,160 --> 02:33:52,959
Speaker 1: criminal court or whatever the fuck.

3005
02:33:53,000 --> 02:33:55,880
Speaker 2: Maybe your mom wouldn't let you testify or something like that.

3006
02:33:56,480 --> 02:33:58,800
Speaker 1: Well you, let's say you criminally suit this person and

3007
02:33:58,879 --> 02:34:01,520
Speaker 1: they settle and give you money, and maybe you have

3008
02:34:01,600 --> 02:34:03,200
Speaker 1: to sign an NDA or something, and then they go

3009
02:34:03,280 --> 02:34:05,000
Speaker 1: around and say I didn't rape you, and then that

3010
02:34:05,080 --> 02:34:07,000
Speaker 1: breaks the NDA. Now you can talk about it. This

3011
02:34:07,120 --> 02:34:09,760
Speaker 1: happened with Bill O'Reilly's happened with Bill Cosey. It's happened

3012
02:34:09,800 --> 02:34:14,400
Speaker 1: with a few people, even Harvy Gronstein. I believe in

3013
02:34:14,560 --> 02:34:17,280
Speaker 1: those cases, what do we then turn around to do

3014
02:34:17,400 --> 02:34:21,040
Speaker 1: to the person that survived, Well, you got money, so

3015
02:34:21,200 --> 02:34:24,040
Speaker 1: you clearly was just trying to come up off of

3016
02:34:24,120 --> 02:34:30,160
Speaker 1: this person relative incident not happened at all. The point

3017
02:34:30,280 --> 02:34:34,920
Speaker 1: being the money being involved as the only means of justice,

3018
02:34:35,480 --> 02:34:39,880
Speaker 1: is also a means of attacking your credibility at the

3019
02:34:40,000 --> 02:34:45,119
Speaker 1: same time, correct you can't like you literally can't be credible.

3020
02:34:46,360 --> 02:34:48,680
Speaker 2: So so now this woman hasn't gotten a cent.

3021
02:34:48,840 --> 02:34:53,560
Speaker 1: It seems angela Ria is discrediting her as looking for

3022
02:34:53,760 --> 02:34:57,920
Speaker 1: money or a come up off off of what an

3023
02:34:58,040 --> 02:35:01,440
Speaker 1: accusation of he's sexualist out of me in fifteen, something

3024
02:35:01,480 --> 02:35:05,840
Speaker 1: that she seems to have never contradicted. It's not like

3025
02:35:05,959 --> 02:35:09,280
Speaker 1: she said at some point, well, actually he didn't. Well okay,

3026
02:35:09,320 --> 02:35:13,520
Speaker 1: it's been twenty years he did. No, she is not

3027
02:35:13,720 --> 02:35:18,120
Speaker 1: able to testify via her mom, according to her, and

3028
02:35:18,240 --> 02:35:20,760
Speaker 1: so then he got to go out run with his

3029
02:35:20,920 --> 02:35:22,800
Speaker 1: version of events for X amount of years.

3030
02:35:23,200 --> 02:35:25,880
Speaker 2: You're literally just heard this woman a week ago and

3031
02:35:26,000 --> 02:35:27,760
Speaker 2: you decided she just trying to come up off of

3032
02:35:27,840 --> 02:35:29,560
Speaker 2: the brother you.

3033
02:35:33,520 --> 02:35:34,000
Speaker 1: It's just.

3034
02:35:35,640 --> 02:35:37,440
Speaker 2: It is not a very smart thing for her to say.

3035
02:35:37,560 --> 02:35:38,480
Speaker 2: I'll put it that way.

3036
02:35:39,440 --> 02:35:43,160
Speaker 1: It is not very smart because and like I said,

3037
02:35:43,160 --> 02:35:44,880
Speaker 1: if you listen to that episode, you will not be

3038
02:35:45,040 --> 02:35:49,400
Speaker 1: surprised because I thought she would have this response. She

3039
02:35:49,560 --> 02:35:50,800
Speaker 1: was one of people I was thinking about in my

3040
02:35:50,879 --> 02:35:53,039
Speaker 1: mind when I was like, yo, I really hope people

3041
02:35:53,160 --> 02:35:57,120
Speaker 1: understand that just because he gives you access on this

3042
02:35:57,240 --> 02:35:59,320
Speaker 1: platform does not mean you gotta be his fucking pro

3043
02:35:59,400 --> 02:36:02,440
Speaker 1: bono Lloyd. And she's a lawyer, and she when I

3044
02:36:02,520 --> 02:36:06,840
Speaker 1: am pro bono this shit on Facebook for no reason ridiculous,

3045
02:36:07,120 --> 02:36:11,480
Speaker 1: just ridiculous. And then the other part of this is,

3046
02:36:11,680 --> 02:36:14,760
Speaker 1: and I was thinking about this, I bet the women

3047
02:36:14,959 --> 02:36:18,160
Speaker 1: who have his back will be held more in account

3048
02:36:18,280 --> 02:36:22,200
Speaker 1: than him. I won't be surprised if Angela RAI finds

3049
02:36:22,240 --> 02:36:25,280
Speaker 1: herself having to speak about this shit before he does,

3050
02:36:27,600 --> 02:36:30,840
Speaker 1: you just say nothing. I mean, what's he gonna say?

3051
02:36:30,879 --> 02:36:32,400
Speaker 1: That's my homie, he I mean, it's nothing he can

3052
02:36:32,480 --> 02:36:34,640
Speaker 1: say to you, you know what I mean?

3053
02:36:34,760 --> 02:36:36,280
Speaker 3: Because the thing is a bet. If it was the

3054
02:36:36,320 --> 02:36:38,280
Speaker 3: other way around, you wouldn't see him standing up for you.

3055
02:36:39,480 --> 02:36:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he got a lawyer. It doesn't sound

3056
02:36:42,040 --> 02:36:43,880
Speaker 1: like it's gonna go to court or nothing. I mean,

3057
02:36:44,640 --> 02:36:46,680
Speaker 1: I legitimately think he can keep his head down and

3058
02:36:46,720 --> 02:36:48,920
Speaker 1: be absolutely fine and nobody will say shit to him.

3059
02:36:49,040 --> 02:36:50,080
Speaker 3: Nobody gets canceled.

3060
02:36:50,520 --> 02:36:54,400
Speaker 1: So I don't know, man, I just I don't.

3061
02:36:54,520 --> 02:36:56,680
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck she's doing.

3062
02:36:59,720 --> 02:37:01,600
Speaker 1: And it's our own goal because you could have said

3063
02:37:01,640 --> 02:37:03,760
Speaker 1: nothing and nobody would have blamed you. Everybody would say,

3064
02:37:03,800 --> 02:37:06,800
Speaker 1: I understand that you're in a difficult position, just let

3065
02:37:06,840 --> 02:37:11,280
Speaker 1: it go, sis, And here we are. So yeah, man,

3066
02:37:11,480 --> 02:37:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to bum everybody out of this shit, but

3067
02:37:15,480 --> 02:37:17,800
Speaker 1: I really was like, we might as well talk about

3068
02:37:17,800 --> 02:37:21,160
Speaker 1: it because everybody's talking about it, and I've heard other

3069
02:37:21,240 --> 02:37:25,480
Speaker 1: people's very dismissive attitudes about it. But I've said on

3070
02:37:25,560 --> 02:37:28,840
Speaker 1: the show a few times, most people's morality extends to

3071
02:37:28,879 --> 02:37:30,800
Speaker 1: whether or not they're like a person or not. And

3072
02:37:31,680 --> 02:37:34,920
Speaker 1: you can't trust people for shit. You can't trust nobody

3073
02:37:34,959 --> 02:37:39,000
Speaker 1: to be not being a hypocrite. You can't trust anybody

3074
02:37:39,040 --> 02:37:44,880
Speaker 1: to have like values that are consistent, because soon as

3075
02:37:44,920 --> 02:37:47,240
Speaker 1: they like or don't like somebody, the shit goes out

3076
02:37:47,280 --> 02:37:51,600
Speaker 1: the door. Like that's it. That's that's why I love

3077
02:37:51,640 --> 02:37:53,720
Speaker 1: people different than I used to. That's why I had

3078
02:37:53,800 --> 02:37:57,680
Speaker 1: to learn to be like, oh, that, you're totally capable

3079
02:37:57,760 --> 02:38:02,080
Speaker 1: of that shit. Everybody's capable of even myself. None of

3080
02:38:02,160 --> 02:38:05,680
Speaker 1: us are fucking immune to that. That's the human condition.

3081
02:38:05,800 --> 02:38:10,400
Speaker 1: So I was like, yeah, man, I can't expect more

3082
02:38:10,760 --> 02:38:13,480
Speaker 1: than that of a lot of people. They pick and

3083
02:38:13,560 --> 02:38:16,280
Speaker 1: choose the folks. If they don't like you, then you

3084
02:38:16,400 --> 02:38:17,039
Speaker 1: did that shit.

3085
02:38:18,280 --> 02:38:18,440
Speaker 6: You know.

3086
02:38:18,640 --> 02:38:22,520
Speaker 1: Pick a person that you don't like and think of

3087
02:38:22,680 --> 02:38:25,760
Speaker 1: them being accused of the same shit as Charlam Magne

3088
02:38:25,879 --> 02:38:31,760
Speaker 1: and tell me that you that you got the same feeling, right,

3089
02:38:31,920 --> 02:38:34,200
Speaker 1: that's if you like them. Now, if you don't like them,

3090
02:38:34,440 --> 02:38:36,400
Speaker 1: pick a person you do like, and how did you

3091
02:38:36,480 --> 02:38:39,960
Speaker 1: react when it was them? You know, people change on

3092
02:38:40,040 --> 02:38:43,160
Speaker 1: these shits all the time, y'all. You know, you just

3093
02:38:43,200 --> 02:38:45,520
Speaker 1: can't have trust in nobody. Can't believe in nobody. Man,

3094
02:38:45,560 --> 02:38:48,600
Speaker 1: you gotta look at everything for yourself. And like I said,

3095
02:38:48,720 --> 02:38:49,039
Speaker 1: I'm not.

3096
02:38:49,080 --> 02:38:50,400
Speaker 2: Even accusing this man or nothing.

3097
02:38:50,520 --> 02:38:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm literally just saying, Oh, here's some other shit that

3098
02:38:53,480 --> 02:38:55,840
Speaker 1: contradicts what he's been saying in some paperwork that says

3099
02:38:55,879 --> 02:38:59,200
Speaker 1: the same thing. I don't know, you might want to

3100
02:38:59,240 --> 02:39:01,200
Speaker 1: look into that, but you know what you want here.

3101
02:39:01,280 --> 02:39:02,879
Speaker 1: Hot ninety seven is gonna take him off the air

3102
02:39:02,959 --> 02:39:05,200
Speaker 1: and investigate it because he's a black dude, and we

3103
02:39:05,280 --> 02:39:08,640
Speaker 1: don't do that with black dudes. If he was Chris Hardwick, man,

3104
02:39:08,640 --> 02:39:10,800
Speaker 1: they be looking at him. Nothing's gonna happen to this dude.

3105
02:39:11,760 --> 02:39:15,160
Speaker 1: And all your famouite favorite like woke folks are gonna

3106
02:39:15,200 --> 02:39:18,040
Speaker 1: steal kick ki Key with him, still be at events

3107
02:39:18,080 --> 02:39:20,600
Speaker 1: with him, still want him on their show, still beg

3108
02:39:20,680 --> 02:39:23,520
Speaker 1: to be on his show. It doesn't matter, man, it

3109
02:39:23,720 --> 02:39:29,240
Speaker 1: just doesn't matter. And I'm not trying to be mad

3110
02:39:29,320 --> 02:39:31,480
Speaker 1: about this ship at the time. I'm not trying to be,

3111
02:39:34,160 --> 02:39:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, because people will then accuse you of being

3112
02:39:36,120 --> 02:39:38,840
Speaker 1: all You're trying, you jealous, You're trying to break him down. Nigga,

3113
02:39:38,879 --> 02:39:40,720
Speaker 1: We're not even in the same lane. It's not even

3114
02:39:40,760 --> 02:39:43,240
Speaker 1: the close. Like what he does and what I do

3115
02:39:43,480 --> 02:39:46,000
Speaker 1: totally different. I don't want what I don't want what

3116
02:39:46,080 --> 02:39:48,119
Speaker 1: he got. I guarantee you don't want what I got.

3117
02:39:48,840 --> 02:39:51,160
Speaker 1: So it's like it's not even like that. But that's

3118
02:39:51,200 --> 02:39:53,640
Speaker 1: how people will approach it because it's easier than confronting

3119
02:39:53,680 --> 02:39:56,120
Speaker 1: the truth, which is maybe Rod got a fucking point.

3120
02:39:57,800 --> 02:39:59,720
Speaker 1: Is that so much harder to fucking to think? Like

3121
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:04,720
Speaker 1: what if I'm wrong? If I'm wrong, then this girl

3122
02:40:04,760 --> 02:40:07,560
Speaker 1: didn't get sexual assaulted, but nothing happened to Charlemagne anyway.

3123
02:40:08,440 --> 02:40:11,280
Speaker 1: He ain't lose a job, he ain't lose no money,

3124
02:40:11,840 --> 02:40:15,440
Speaker 1: he ain't go to jail nothing. He's straight. But if

3125
02:40:15,520 --> 02:40:18,840
Speaker 1: you're wrong, you're defending the person that's possibly gotten the

3126
02:40:18,879 --> 02:40:24,080
Speaker 1: raid with rapes two times if you're wrong. But I'm

3127
02:40:24,120 --> 02:40:29,200
Speaker 1: the one that's crazy. Okay, all right, let's get into

3128
02:40:29,240 --> 02:40:31,240
Speaker 1: Sword of Ratchiness and get out of here. We'll do

3129
02:40:31,360 --> 02:40:35,320
Speaker 1: more fun ship tomorrow. Yes, and we need to set

3130
02:40:35,400 --> 02:40:37,080
Speaker 1: up your phone tonight, so I understand.

3131
02:40:37,240 --> 02:41:00,320
Speaker 5: Yay, M Sorry, I'm still hot.

3132
02:41:00,640 --> 02:41:04,400
Speaker 1: This nigga on Twitter accused me of being divisive and

3133
02:41:05,200 --> 02:41:07,600
Speaker 1: like having bad energy. I said, what's more bad energy

3134
02:41:07,600 --> 02:41:10,840
Speaker 1: than being a fucking rapist. If I'm right, If this

3135
02:41:11,000 --> 02:41:14,560
Speaker 1: dude is a rapist, How the fuck is him coming

3136
02:41:14,640 --> 02:41:18,040
Speaker 1: on the podcast talking about possibly sexual assaulting somebody and

3137
02:41:18,160 --> 02:41:21,360
Speaker 1: then also talking about an accuser coming forward and saying

3138
02:41:21,400 --> 02:41:23,440
Speaker 1: he lied about another assault. How I am out of

3139
02:41:23,480 --> 02:41:26,440
Speaker 1: one with the bad energy. I should listen to him,

3140
02:41:26,520 --> 02:41:29,480
Speaker 1: but not the women. I should listen to him, but

3141
02:41:29,640 --> 02:41:33,160
Speaker 1: not him. You know what I'm saying, because he said hisself,

3142
02:41:34,640 --> 02:41:38,040
Speaker 1: Like when I talk about rape culture and when I

3143
02:41:38,120 --> 02:41:40,960
Speaker 1: talk about how complicit we as black men can be,

3144
02:41:41,200 --> 02:41:43,720
Speaker 1: this is the shit I'm talking about. Three years ago,

3145
02:41:43,840 --> 02:41:50,160
Speaker 1: he set himself. Nobody feels uneasy about it. He's still

3146
02:41:50,200 --> 02:41:53,959
Speaker 1: a big name. Niggas still defend him. Some niggas think

3147
02:41:53,959 --> 02:41:59,440
Speaker 1: he's too liberal, all this nigga trying he trying to

3148
02:41:59,520 --> 02:42:02,640
Speaker 1: side with the feminists in the gays, Like I've seen

3149
02:42:02,720 --> 02:42:07,080
Speaker 1: people say that about him. He too woke now so

3150
02:42:07,400 --> 02:42:12,199
Speaker 1: so so it's almost like it's almost like being gasoly,

3151
02:42:12,280 --> 02:42:14,280
Speaker 1: Like they want me to feel like I'm crazy for

3152
02:42:14,400 --> 02:42:17,160
Speaker 1: being like, Yo, we're complicit in this because we don't

3153
02:42:17,200 --> 02:42:21,800
Speaker 1: hold anyone accountable. We have zero fucking accountability. Dog, We

3154
02:42:21,920 --> 02:42:26,240
Speaker 1: fuck with everybody regardless. You know, I guess R Kelly

3155
02:42:26,360 --> 02:42:28,760
Speaker 1: just need to come out with a podcast. Shit when

3156
02:42:28,760 --> 02:42:30,840
Speaker 1: the R Kelly knew R Kelly things started, or not

3157
02:42:30,920 --> 02:42:33,400
Speaker 1: even started, but came to a head earlier this year.

3158
02:42:33,480 --> 02:42:35,960
Speaker 2: You know what I heard most black men say, why now?

3159
02:42:38,520 --> 02:42:38,560
Speaker 3: Not?

3160
02:42:39,040 --> 02:42:41,480
Speaker 1: People been talking about that for a decade, but not

3161
02:42:41,800 --> 02:42:44,440
Speaker 1: like it's about times some people listening. I'm glad people

3162
02:42:44,520 --> 02:42:48,520
Speaker 1: are rallying around. What can I do to support? How

3163
02:42:48,560 --> 02:42:50,880
Speaker 1: can I spread the word. I didn't hear any of it.

3164
02:42:51,000 --> 02:42:55,359
Speaker 1: I heard why now? As if God, this is annoying.

3165
02:42:55,720 --> 02:42:56,840
Speaker 3: That's what it boils down to it.

3166
02:42:57,440 --> 02:42:59,520
Speaker 1: I've done this. Why didn't you try this years ago?

3167
02:42:59,640 --> 02:43:02,120
Speaker 1: They have been is the God. If it wasn't for

3168
02:43:02,280 --> 02:43:04,560
Speaker 1: me too, black women would have never been listened to

3169
02:43:04,680 --> 02:43:09,000
Speaker 1: on the arc Kelly. Shit. They tried to galvanize the

3170
02:43:09,280 --> 02:43:11,520
Speaker 1: energy for me too to be like, Hey, hey, don't

3171
02:43:11,560 --> 02:43:16,640
Speaker 1: forget about the original me too. This nigga and man

3172
02:43:17,000 --> 02:43:19,360
Speaker 1: and a lot of black men are very guilty of

3173
02:43:19,480 --> 02:43:24,160
Speaker 1: being like but why now? As opposed to thank God,

3174
02:43:25,320 --> 02:43:27,440
Speaker 1: good get him out of here, because I care about

3175
02:43:27,480 --> 02:43:28,879
Speaker 1: fifteen year old black girls too.

3176
02:43:29,760 --> 02:43:31,200
Speaker 3: Right, So when you say that, you tell me you

3177
02:43:31,240 --> 02:43:33,520
Speaker 3: don't give a fuck about when nah, you don't you

3178
02:43:34,040 --> 02:43:35,760
Speaker 3: don't you know, you don't. You don't care about your

3179
02:43:35,800 --> 02:43:37,520
Speaker 3: mother like and a lot of them would tell them,

3180
02:43:37,879 --> 02:43:38,840
Speaker 3: bitch is your fault too.

3181
02:43:39,200 --> 02:43:41,600
Speaker 1: People and his crew don't care. And they other black men,

3182
02:43:42,400 --> 02:43:44,440
Speaker 1: they don't care. They come around, they hang around, and

3183
02:43:44,480 --> 02:43:47,600
Speaker 1: they prop him up, famous black dudes. They can't get

3184
02:43:47,680 --> 02:43:48,000
Speaker 1: with him.

3185
02:43:49,040 --> 02:43:50,120
Speaker 2: It's fucking disgusted.

3186
02:43:50,120 --> 02:43:52,760
Speaker 1: And if I say that we have a problem, and

3187
02:43:52,800 --> 02:43:57,240
Speaker 1: since that black men, I'm the fucking bad guy, right,

3188
02:43:57,440 --> 02:43:59,320
Speaker 1: I hate us all of a sudden, I don't love

3189
02:43:59,400 --> 02:44:02,480
Speaker 1: us no more. I'm with these cooling with the white

3190
02:44:02,520 --> 02:44:05,000
Speaker 1: people that hate us, and shit, if I just go, hey, man,

3191
02:44:05,040 --> 02:44:07,320
Speaker 1: it's kind of problematic that we know this is fucked

3192
02:44:07,360 --> 02:44:09,480
Speaker 1: up and we let it exist because out of some

3193
02:44:09,680 --> 02:44:11,880
Speaker 1: misplaced idea that, well, if white people can do it,

3194
02:44:12,280 --> 02:44:15,160
Speaker 1: white people be wrong. It's fucked right. We should not

3195
02:44:15,280 --> 02:44:19,080
Speaker 1: want to be like them in these ways, like they're

3196
02:44:19,160 --> 02:44:22,000
Speaker 1: not a good example. Them getting away with some shit

3197
02:44:22,160 --> 02:44:24,160
Speaker 1: is not a reason that we should feel it's okay

3198
02:44:24,200 --> 02:44:29,400
Speaker 1: to abuse our own people. They're fucking toxic and their

3199
02:44:29,480 --> 02:44:32,280
Speaker 1: standard of living is fucking detrimental to us. We know

3200
02:44:32,400 --> 02:44:34,280
Speaker 1: because we've been on the fucking shit end of the stick.

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02:44:35,440 --> 02:44:38,160
Speaker 1: We have had we starmp with that. Hell before, we've

3202
02:44:38,280 --> 02:44:43,000
Speaker 1: been stumped with that. We should not want that. But

3203
02:44:43,360 --> 02:44:45,200
Speaker 1: but like I said, man, niggas do not want to

3204
02:44:45,240 --> 02:44:49,760
Speaker 1: hear that shit. So I'm divisive, I'm negative, I'm jealous,

3205
02:44:50,000 --> 02:44:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm this, I'm that now, nigga, I'm right, and you

3206
02:44:53,160 --> 02:44:55,480
Speaker 1: fucking know it deep down your soul. And one day you're.

3207
02:44:55,360 --> 02:44:58,080
Speaker 2: Gonna wake up to that shit or just fuck don't

3208
02:44:58,080 --> 02:44:59,160
Speaker 2: fuck with me, whichever way.

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02:44:59,280 --> 02:45:01,480
Speaker 1: But I'm never gonna stop talking about it. I know

3210
02:45:01,600 --> 02:45:06,640
Speaker 1: that fucking much. I'll die talking about this shit. A

3211
02:45:06,800 --> 02:45:10,280
Speaker 1: son attacks his parents with the sword gem shit. Poor

3212
02:45:10,959 --> 02:45:12,840
Speaker 1: lust for money and property led a twenty two year

3213
02:45:12,840 --> 02:45:14,840
Speaker 1: old son to launch an attack on his elderly parents

3214
02:45:14,920 --> 02:45:18,359
Speaker 1: with a sword at barsoul in got Shila.

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Speaker 3: Well see they don't have the guns, dad. They wouldn't

3216
02:45:21,400 --> 02:45:23,840
Speaker 3: like the other grandma who pulled her guns out and

3217
02:45:23,879 --> 02:45:24,600
Speaker 3: shot her son.

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02:45:25,640 --> 02:45:26,280
Speaker 1: Yeah she did.

3219
02:45:26,560 --> 02:45:28,440
Speaker 3: I put it now on comal And.

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Speaker 1: The Godshilla subdivision of East Singabaum District, almost one hundred

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02:45:33,720 --> 02:45:38,400
Speaker 1: kilometers from here. Past Wednesday night midnight, Pawan got Swami

3222
02:45:38,879 --> 02:45:42,880
Speaker 1: inflict the grievous injuries on his father. The Hannah J

3223
02:45:43,480 --> 02:45:46,400
Speaker 1: Got Swammy fifty five and his mother puttool got Swammy

3224
02:45:46,440 --> 02:45:49,640
Speaker 1: fifty after they turned down this proposal of selling off

3225
02:45:49,680 --> 02:45:53,400
Speaker 1: that farm land. Pawan would keep the man and money

3226
02:45:53,440 --> 02:45:55,720
Speaker 1: from us for the past year, but in the last

3227
02:45:55,760 --> 02:45:57,959
Speaker 1: few days he wanted to sell out our farm land,

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02:45:58,000 --> 02:46:00,120
Speaker 1: which is registered in the name of my husband and

3229
02:46:00,200 --> 02:46:03,080
Speaker 1: our only source of income. When we refuse, he started quarreling.

3230
02:46:03,080 --> 02:46:04,800
Speaker 1: At twelve thirty in the morning, he attacked both of

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02:46:04,879 --> 02:46:07,440
Speaker 1: us with a sword, said Petul, who suffered injuries on

3232
02:46:07,520 --> 02:46:10,240
Speaker 1: her head, while a husband's staying grievous injuries to his

3233
02:46:10,400 --> 02:46:13,400
Speaker 1: neck and right hand. Oh he tried to kill him,

3234
02:46:13,520 --> 02:46:16,520
Speaker 1: Yes he did. While the hadjen A was left in

3235
02:46:16,560 --> 02:46:20,080
Speaker 1: the pool of blood. Pawan drove her. I thought her

3236
02:46:20,160 --> 02:46:22,800
Speaker 1: name was Patool. What Oh Pawan is the son? Okay,

3237
02:46:22,800 --> 02:46:25,400
Speaker 1: he drove her injured mother out of the house. I

3238
02:46:25,480 --> 02:46:29,160
Speaker 1: mean here, where did the wan come from? Oh? They

3239
02:46:29,160 --> 02:46:31,600
Speaker 1: should have said his here's injured mother out of the house.

3240
02:46:31,680 --> 02:46:34,360
Speaker 1: Hearing the commotion, Billa just rescued the couple and rushed

3241
02:46:34,400 --> 02:46:37,840
Speaker 1: them to the MGM Medical College Hospital in the wee

3242
02:46:38,360 --> 02:46:42,160
Speaker 1: house of third hours. It seems a Thursday. This was

3243
02:46:42,200 --> 02:46:45,720
Speaker 1: translated badly. The Hajen at whose condition is said to

3244
02:46:45,800 --> 02:46:48,680
Speaker 1: be serious and was later shifted to Tata Main Hospital.

3245
02:46:48,879 --> 02:46:52,400
Speaker 1: Batool further said her son had started demanding money ever

3246
02:46:52,480 --> 02:46:54,720
Speaker 1: since he had a friend of the girl in the area.

3247
02:46:55,000 --> 02:46:58,640
Speaker 1: Petua's nephew Suji said the family dependent on the farmland

3248
02:46:59,000 --> 02:47:01,280
Speaker 1: for the daily income and Pawan attack my uncle and

3249
02:47:01,360 --> 02:47:03,920
Speaker 1: aunt as he was trying to get the farmland registered

3250
02:47:04,000 --> 02:47:07,040
Speaker 1: in his name but failed. Yeah, that's a sign of

3251
02:47:07,040 --> 02:47:11,800
Speaker 1: the contract, underfessed the rest, I mean threats of harm.

3252
02:47:12,320 --> 02:47:16,040
Speaker 1: Under the rest. We will arrest and accused only after

3253
02:47:16,160 --> 02:47:18,240
Speaker 1: we get a formal complaint from the victim, said the police.

3254
02:47:18,240 --> 02:47:21,320
Speaker 2: So apparently Pauan is just still at large hanging out

3255
02:47:21,360 --> 02:47:25,120
Speaker 2: with a sword. Yeah, just foul.

3256
02:47:25,200 --> 02:47:29,320
Speaker 1: A police file a formal complaint at your earliest convenience.

3257
02:47:29,400 --> 02:47:32,600
Speaker 1: Injured old people. All right, all right, guys, that's it

3258
02:47:32,800 --> 02:47:39,959
Speaker 1: for today's episode. Very somber, sobering, angry show. As long

3259
02:47:40,040 --> 02:47:43,640
Speaker 1: as fuck. It's almost three hours Jesus. All right, we'll

3260
02:47:43,680 --> 02:47:46,640
Speaker 1: talk to you album tomorrow. Until then, I love you,

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02:47:46,879 --> 02:47:47,680
Speaker 1: I love you too.

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Speaker 4: Wow.