1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: The volume. 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up 3 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Thursday, 4 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: July thirteenth. I should announce as I have I think 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: earlier this week, I will be hosting The Herd on Friday, 6 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: So make note of that, mister Cowherd is moving, so 7 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 2: your boy will be in the driver's seat. Should be 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: a fun show. Before I get to our guest, Kevin 9 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: Clark from The Ringer. He's been on the show probably 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: twice a year since we started the podcast three years ago. 11 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: Good dude, great journalist knows the NFL is into F one. 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: Tried to convince me that F one is cool and 13 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: fun and I should pay attention to it. Also an 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: Orlando Magic fan For the other seventeen Orlando Magic fans 15 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: out there, I've got a quickly touch on this USA 16 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: Gold Cup. When I heard USA Mexico final in the 17 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 2: Gold Cup would be Sunday, I instantly was like, oh 18 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 2: my gosh. I texted my family. I'm like, we gotta go. 19 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: I'll get tickets. It's gonna be fun. USA Mexico hate 20 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 2: each other in soccer. We own a soccer team in Mexico. 21 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,919 Speaker 2: I am a big fan of this USA Gold Cup squad, 22 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 2: even though it's on our A team, maybe our CT 23 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: or B team. We gotta ride with them. It's gonna 24 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: be fun. It's so fie, come on, let's do it. 25 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: And they're all excited. So then the US has to 26 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: play Panama in the semifinals last night, and they lay 27 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: a colossal egg and lose in PK's five to four, 28 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: and I'm just like, how just a dispiriting performance. It's 29 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: freaking Panama. I don't even know if Panama's ever qualified 30 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: for the World Cup. 31 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: I don't care. 32 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: If it's a bunch of young guys on the US squad, 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: we can't lose that game. Super depressing. I have zero 34 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: interest in watching Mexico Panama. Mexico's gonna win the final, 35 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: and I know some of the Mexico players, but nobody 36 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: from Nakasa I don't think is on the roster. So 37 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: it's just a bummer for the soccer fans out there. 38 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: But the good news is we've got a great guest, 39 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: Kevin Clark from The Ringer Enjoy It. 40 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: You know a guy Jason likes to think he knows 41 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports. 42 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: I know what sports fans want, but for. 43 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: Everything he doesn't. 44 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: He knows a guy who does. Let's just say I 45 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 2: know a guy who knows the guy who knows another guy. 46 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome into straight fire. A guy you know. 47 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: He's been on the podcast many a time. He's on 48 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: The Ringer with Bill Simmons, he goes on the Herd, 49 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 2: he does a lot of TV appearances. He's pretty much famous. Now. 50 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: He does an F one podcast, whatever that is. I 51 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: will ask him about the F one Kevin Clark from 52 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: The Ringer, how are you, man? 53 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 1: What's going on? Man? It's it's I was gonna say 54 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: the last weeks of NFL Writer SUMMERFL Media person summer, 55 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: but that's already over, Like fourth of July is the 56 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: end of every NFL person summer. So now we're just 57 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: getting back to it. I'm putting on my camp tour 58 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: right now, which will start in a little over two weeks, 59 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: and I'm actually excited to get to it. Some years 60 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: you feel like you're not ready. This is one of 61 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: those years where I've been diving into some of this 62 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: stuff for the last couple of weeks, so I'm ready 63 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: to get to uh, Latrobe or Philly or where wherever. 64 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with a little west of New York. 65 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 2: Is any of that because you have a six month 66 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,839 Speaker 2: old at home and you're just very kind of sort 67 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: of excited to get out of the house. I know 68 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: those days, man, I had. Those first couple of weeks 69 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: are awesome, and then after that it's it's tough. 70 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: I had this at the super Bowl where I went, 71 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: so we had the kid. On January tenth, I went 72 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. Everybody said to me, well, you're 73 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: a month into it, you're gonna love to sleep. I 74 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: got to Phoenix. I couldn't sleep because you can't your 75 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: your your brain is wired to wake up so often 76 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: and like wake up for every little sound because you're 77 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: used to the baby waking up every two months. It's 78 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: just two hours. And so when I got to Phoenix 79 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: and I was like going, it was crazy. And so 80 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: everybody was like, oh, you must be loving it's relaxation 81 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: and I was like, no, no, like trust me, Dad's 82 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: brains are permanently broken. We are. We are in dad 83 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: mode constantly, even for Super Bowl. So I'm sure wherever 84 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: you know the Greenbrier for Browns the Bengals wherever the 85 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: heck I am. I'm gonna wake up in the middle 86 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: of the night trying to find out if if Ted 87 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: needs a bottle. 88 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: All right, wait, what's his name? 89 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: Ted Teddy? 90 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: Teddy? Okay, I like that. Yeah, Okay, that's a good name, 91 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 2: ted Teddy. I like it. All right, let's start with 92 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: my New York Jets. We're recording this on what day 93 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 2: is today? Wednesday? And it was just announced that the 94 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: Jets are going to be the team on Hard Knocks. Yeah, 95 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: I was a little disappointed. You know, everybody's reminding me 96 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: of the last fourteen teams to go on Hard Knocks 97 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 2: have won one playoff game combined. Obviously, there's not a 98 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: direct parallel. 99 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, they can only they can only make 100 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: generally bad teams do it. 101 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 2: That's a fair point. That is an extremely fair point. 102 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: But my thing is there's a lot of newness, new quarterback, 103 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: new OC for six weeks, probably the toughest schedule in 104 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: the league. And you know, the New York media can 105 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 2: be unrelenting. If they start out two and four with 106 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers the savior, I don't know, I'm not thrilled 107 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: with it. Can can you change my mind on that can. 108 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: First of all, last time the Jets run at the 109 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: Mayba's Tonel game, right, so there's. 110 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's right with Rex Ryan. 111 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: Yep. So there's that point. A couple of things. Number 112 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: one is that Aaron Rodgers doesn't let a lot out 113 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: that he doesn't want out, and that that's the one 114 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: thing that I think is lost in all of this. 115 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: And I'm sure Jason, you were kind of laughing at 116 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: the things over the past couple months. We were saying, well, 117 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: Aaron's not going to get along with the New York media. 118 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: Aaron's going to love the New York media because you 119 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: know what Aaron loves doing. He likes setting a tone 120 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: of press conferences. He likes going in and saying and 121 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: you know, whether that's subtweeting guys in press conferences or 122 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: saying things that are not little digs at people, but 123 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: everything is just very intention and they're very mapped out, 124 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: and the New York media will go places with him. 125 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: I remember when I was on the Knicks beat when 126 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: I was really really young, and we were talking to 127 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: a guy who used to be working the Knicks and 128 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: he works somewhere else. And he was like, other markets 129 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: have no idea what you're saying. When you're not saying 130 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: it directly, the New York media will take what you 131 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 1: are saying and blow it up and say he's trying 132 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: to say this, and Aaron will dovetail with that perfectly. 133 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: And so anyway, big picture back to Hard Knocks. He's 134 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: only going to say something on the Hard Knocks camera 135 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: that he wants out there. He's not going to allow 136 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: distractions into it. And by the way, Hard Knocks, I 137 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: think is not much of a distractions factory. I think 138 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: that they sort of learn in order to get when 139 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: was the last time something got out in Hard Knocks 140 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: that their team didn't want out there? It's it's in 141 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: conjunction with NFL films, all of that stuff. So I 142 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: think this is a talented roster, is a fast, young 143 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: roster that Aaron Rodgers is going to fit into perfectly. 144 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 3: And I don't have that many. 145 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: Concerns about Hard Knocks. I think I think that the 146 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: correlation is that they can only ask bad teams to 147 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: do it, and then those bad teams stay bad. The 148 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: Jets are not that they have been bad, They've been 149 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: a very poorly run organization, but they they were a 150 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: quarterback away. Last year they got that quarterback. He raised 151 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: the floor at the very least. So I actually have 152 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: no concerns about about hard knocks generally. 153 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 3: And I think that that that that. 154 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: Whole thing, the floor is going to be raised so 155 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: much that that that really I don't have that many 156 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: concerns about that. Now, you brought up one thing, which 157 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: is that I was on a Bill show a couple 158 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: of days ago about One Bill's Lives, which is a 159 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: great show, and they asked me what happens psychological perspective 160 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: if the Bills are leading twenty one to nothing at 161 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: halftime of the first week on Monday Night, Like, do 162 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: Jets fans just you know, do they give up? Do 163 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: they Is it same old Jets or is it a 164 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: calming thing? And my my big point with Jets fans, 165 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: and I live in the New York suburbs, a lot 166 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: of Jets fans around here, more Giants country, but a 167 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: lot of Jets fans. And my thing, Jason, is that 168 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: like they need to understand that Aaron Rodgers takes a 169 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: long time to go on the same page with his 170 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: receivers and he will use training camp to throw fifty 171 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: to fifty balls, and there will be reports from Connor 172 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: Hughes and those fellas and rich Sonini, and they're gonna say, oh, 173 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers had three three interceptions and no touchdowns in 174 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: this in this seven and seven practice period, and they're 175 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: gonna ask Robert Sala about it, and then it's gonna 176 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: be like a three day story. And I promise you 177 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: none of it matters. This guy has the best touchdown 178 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: interception ratio if you look at season by season, like 179 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: he's got like a on to the top ten. He's 180 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: gonna be fine in that regard. But he tests his 181 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: limits in training camp, and he might test his limits 182 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: in September. He needs to understand what this offense looks like, 183 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: so it might start slow. Remember Brady in Tampa Bay 184 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: the mad way through the season, we're asking questions when 185 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: this thing's gonna click. These guys are in their routines. 186 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: And so the one thing I would ask Jets fans, 187 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: and Jets fans have gone real mad at me for 188 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: some of the things I've said over the past decade. 189 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 1: And by the way, it usually right when they show 190 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: with the Jets, because that's just how that's what happens 191 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: with the Jets. But I think this is going to 192 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: be different, but it may take a while. Just please 193 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: don't I feel like they want to have this release 194 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: of energy and they want to start out five and 195 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: oh and smite their enemies and it just might not happen. 196 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: And when that happens, just calm down, guys. 197 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 2: I don't see five and zer on the teals, but 198 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 2: if that happens, I will be It's going to be 199 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: impossible to keep us calm us, I could say. 200 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: So. 201 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: It's interesting. Two years ago the two number one seeds 202 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 2: were Tennessee and Green Bay. Last year both missed the 203 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: playof I know it's tough. We still have to see camp. 204 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 2: Who knows what the hell happens in preseason, But I 205 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 2: don't know. It's tough for me to pick a team 206 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: or two to fall out of the AFC playoffs from 207 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: last year because the AFC is so stacked, somebody's got 208 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: to miss out. Is there anyone you can see kind 209 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 2: of falling out? Be it a Buffalo? Do they take 210 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: a bit of a tumble? Is it possible Jacksonville struggles. 211 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: They've got the suspension of the offensive lineman and some 212 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: other questions. I don't think anybody thinks case and Cincinnati's 213 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: falling back, But I'm just having a hard time finding 214 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 2: out who falls out in for instance, the AFC. 215 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: Okay, so I think it's more in line with what 216 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: the Packers were last year. Remember the Packers went into 217 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: Week eighteen one went away from the playoffs. It's not 218 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: like they went three and fourteen. You know, sometimes you'll 219 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: see one seed just totally bought him out, the Packers 220 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: with a couple of breaks, and frankly, if there was 221 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: a couple more on Rodgers games or in the season, 222 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: they would have been the playoffs. And I, by the way, 223 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: I felt like play calling they was thinking that Aaron 224 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: Rodgers is going to play an MVP level and then 225 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: that just not happening. And then by the by the 226 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: end of the season they deemphasized that a little bit 227 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: and they got better. But we'll put that aside. I 228 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: just wanted to put a button on that Aaron Rodgers 229 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: me if I had to, if someone said you have 230 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: to bet your life savings on one of the top 231 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: three teams the AFC falling out. I don't think they're 232 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: going to miss the playoffs by any means. But look 233 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: at the AFC East right now. That is a that's 234 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: there's a real chance that one of those teams significantly pops, 235 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: whether that's Miami, who have one of the best rosters 236 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: in football, whether that's I mean remember something about New 237 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: England top two defense by a lot of metrics last year. 238 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: Good roster, and I don't know, Matt Jones having an 239 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: actual offensive coach. That could be you know, the floor 240 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: gets raised. Okay, I'm not They're not better than Buffalo, 241 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: but that's just something to think about. And then you 242 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: have a Jets team with a really good roster that 243 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: would have made playoffs last year. And Sel Skartner came 244 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: on my show a couple of weeks go says it's 245 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: gonna be easy to said it was going to be 246 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: easy to make the playoffs, and then they had to 247 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: quote tweet and clarify and said I meant easier, but 248 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: we know what he meant, Jason come on. And so 249 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if there was an AFC team, 250 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: probably the Dolphins who went out and just out of 251 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: nowhere one fourteen games and then all of a sudden, 252 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: the Bills are are looking at a wild card spot. 253 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: That's just that's just a rough But I would still 254 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: bet on the Bills by far. But I'm just saying 255 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: if you're if you're trying to handicap that, you know, 256 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: the Bengals, I'm thinking about the making the bangles of 257 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: my Super Bowl pick from the AFC. But on the 258 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: other hand, think about that division. That's a tough top 259 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: Monkin with Lamar Jackson. The Browns are their roster is awesome, 260 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: and if they get if Deshaun Watson shows anything of 261 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: pre twenty twenty three to two Deshaun Watson, then that's 262 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: a significant leap forward. And the Steelers are the Steelers. 263 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: I don't expect the Steelers to be in that thirteen 264 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: fourteen win thing, but they're going to steal some games 265 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: off people. So I look at those I circle those 266 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: two divisions. It's not gonna be Jacksonville because that the 267 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: division is just not good. Like who's who's gonna come 268 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: up and get there? I think you're gonna ask me 269 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: about the Colts in a second. I think that they're 270 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 1: They've got a high ceiling, but that's I don't think 271 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: that's this year. I I don't look at it as 272 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: much as one of those teams fopping and winning four games. 273 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: I think it's more of who and who's in a 274 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: division where there's a team capable of just going and 275 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: running away and hiding in the division. And for me 276 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: right now, that would be Buffalo. Because of the other 277 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: two teams, I still have to make the playoffs. I 278 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: think they'll be a super Bowl contender. But that's if 279 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: you were asked me in the AFC who who falls 280 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: from that pack? That's probably where I'm going in mind. 281 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: Let's quickly go to the Colts. I know they have 282 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 2: like a tiny fan base and nobody really cares, but 283 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 2: there is a world where come like Shane Steichen is 284 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: the head coach, and it's like they're one of the 285 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 2: least talked about teams in the league. We have stats 286 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: at Fox for who clicks on teams the most, and 287 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 2: the Colts are near the bottom. It's bad. 288 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: Falcons. Falcons are always. 289 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: Falcons are certainly there Atlanta passive sports town, but the 290 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 2: Colts are There's a world where Stiching plus Hurts was 291 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 2: like unbelievable, and maybe this Anthony Richardson clicks quicker than 292 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: everybody thinks. I'm still a little dubious. I don't think 293 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: there's a lot of talent on either side of the football, 294 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 2: but when you look at their schedule, you're like, oh, 295 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 2: there's maybe a way they could steal six seven, eight wins. 296 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 2: And I do think Psycha was a very good highre 297 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: as opposed to you know, Gannon in Arizona. 298 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, Cannon all about listen, Hey, we're gonna get 299 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: the last laugh when when Gannon's coaching Caleb Williams and 300 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: they got to trade. 301 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 3: That Drake maypeck right. 302 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: So indeed, to me is a project that is really 303 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: worth watching because they took a flyer on a lot 304 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: of athletic guys in this draft. And I'm not talking 305 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: about Anthe Richard. I'm talking about the mid round guys 306 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: who just had unbelievable testing numbers, Absolute athletic marvels and 307 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: that roster. And that's exactly what Chris Bower likes. You know, 308 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: he came from from k C, which in the case 309 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: stuff came from the Green Bay. Stuff, Like they understand 310 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: how to draft absolute studs with high ceilings in the 311 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: middle round. Okay, I if it's if it is this year, 312 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: it's because that division, which is bad. I don't think 313 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: that they're going to be a significantly good team. 314 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 3: I think when you have a guy like Anthony. 315 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: Richardson, who you know, I remember a stat and they're 316 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: different players, but I remember a stat about Lamar Jackson 317 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: his MVP year where he was the fastest quarterback in 318 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: the NFL by next Gen stats, and he was also 319 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: the most efficient passer. And I remember somebody saying one time, 320 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: it was Mark Andrews. He told me that the most 321 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: common thing is linebackers just looking at their defensive coach 322 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: and saying, like, help me, what do I do? Like 323 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: give me a scheme point nothing was like I don't 324 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: know what to tell you, buddy, Like you're getting steamrolled 325 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: right now. And when you think about a guy who 326 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: can use his legs in his arms like that, like 327 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: Anthony Richarson, again a different player from Lamar, but you 328 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: think about just that he can make and I think 329 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: by the sell time, Anthony Joshua the boxer one says, 330 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: true mastery is is making a professional leg and amateur 331 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: It's really it's really easy if you're a great athlete, 332 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: a quarterback, to make a linebacker or a defensive end 333 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: look like an absolute amateur, and so I'm not putting 334 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: a past Chanstike and to use the Jalen Hurts playbook, 335 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: but again that took a couple of years to pop, okay, 336 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: And then that is the other thing is I think 337 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: Bucket Brooks to this for the draft. There are people 338 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: who say Jalen Hurts had the best work ethic, one 339 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: of the best work ethics that it has ever. 340 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 3: Been in the album our program. 341 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: And by the way, Will Anderson is also rumored to 342 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: be a thatent mixed as well as far as guys 343 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: who've come under Saban and had the best work ethic, 344 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: they're possibly is. So that's part of the Jalen Hurts 345 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: leaps as well. But I think what you're gonna have 346 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: is a guy who I assume was going to start 347 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: really early. Apparently I was just actually listening to a 348 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: beat writer interview. They're throwing a ton at him in 349 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: training camp. They want him to be ready, they want 350 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: him to be in September, September quarterback. They're just throwing 351 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: the entire offense at him and seeing what sticks. So 352 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if Stikeen schemes plus Anthony Richardson's 353 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: athleticism creates a couple of wins early, but then the 354 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: true payoff on Anthony Richardson is year three, year four 355 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: when he read when everything comes together, if we're. 356 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 3: Going by the Hurts playbook, But I agree with. 357 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: You, Shane Steiken is as good. I mean, here's my thing. 358 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: It's the same thing as separately, the same thing with 359 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: the Sean Mcvaykal Shanahan disciples. Like all you know you're 360 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: gonna get a great offensive system. Okay, good, that's my 361 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: starting point. I don't know if Johnson Gann is going 362 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: to be a leader of men and what. In most 363 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: cases that's junk science. You and I could spend nine 364 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: hours with someone a defensive coach or whatever, and we 365 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: could be totally fooled by somebody. But what you do 366 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 1: know you're getting with someone like Shane Stikeen is the scheme, 367 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: the playbook, the plays. Sometimes with someone like Matt and Negie, 368 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: that doesn't work because there's other divisions these in other areas. 369 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: With someone like Shane steike And, it can be, it 370 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: can be special just because you have that scheme and 371 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: then you have Chris Ballard picking the players. I still 372 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: believe it as a GM as long as. 373 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 3: Kind of stays out of it. 374 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: I'm I'm pretty pretty optimistic on the Colts over the 375 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: next four years. 376 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,479 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll take it. You mentioned Caleb Williams a few 377 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 2: moments ago, and I said, you know, there's two sneaky 378 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: Caleb Williams teas everybody thinks Tampa's in the mix, and 379 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 2: Arizona and they're probably the favorites. What about the Rams 380 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 2: and Raiders? 381 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Raiders possibly, But is Josh McDaniels coaching for his 382 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: job not going to try to eke out a couple 383 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: of wins in October November? I think I think in 384 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: order for Josh McDaniel, I'm sorry, in order for the 385 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: Raiders to get there, Josh McDaniels would have to start 386 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: so slowly he gets fired in some interim guy. Can't 387 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: can't do it. They pull a Jeff Saturday on us, right? 388 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: Do they have Rod Woodson? The Rod Woodson whatever I'm 389 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: trying to think of. I'm trying to think who's sitting 390 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: and over Jeff Saturday. 391 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: I already forgot. 392 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: They would hire some random Raider from rich Cannon and 393 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: so Joshna's gonna win a lot of games. I've thrown 394 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: out the rams a bunch of a lot of different people. 395 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: Oh Number one is that everybody I've asked that question 396 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: to on my show or in private has said McVeigh 397 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: is not wired like that. And so here was my thing. Right. 398 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: Someone was saying, well, why would he come back just 399 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: a tank? I'm saying, my feeling on it. And this 400 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: is just me, as someone who's not even in the 401 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: same stratuspere as big, as competitive as Sean McVay. My 402 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: feeling on is the only reason to come back. It's 403 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: for Caleb Williams and Drake May because that's your only 404 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: path forward in the post Stafford era. I was looking 405 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: at that roster the other day, especially on defense. What 406 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: am I looking at? Brother? That is ugly stuff. And 407 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: so I'm sitting here thinking, he's really gonna sit here 408 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: for three and four years just to retool this, and 409 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: then by the time that the defense is ready and 410 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: the offensive line is rebuilt, Stafford's going to be aging out. 411 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: So I was thinking, maybe you try to position yourself 412 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: in the top two for that. Everybody says they're not 413 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: wired or yeah, the thing is this is, uh, this 414 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: has been thrown out there by a couple of smart 415 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: people to make over the past couple of weeks. Are 416 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: we sure like that Tree even likes working with young quarterbacks, 417 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: be it Drake may or Caleb Williams, Like they kind 418 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: of like their guys, They kind of like their They 419 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: kind of like the guys who can run that system, 420 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, like a whoever it is. I mean, I 421 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: know this is crazy to say, but like, I'm not 422 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: saying that they'd rather have this guy than Drake may 423 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: or Caleb Williams. But what I am saying is, like 424 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: those guys love Kirk Cousins. They're talking about Kirk Cousins 425 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: all the time. You get two beers, those guys they 426 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: talk about great Kirk Cousins running the offense. Like maybe 427 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: those Caleb Williams and Drake may are more equipped for 428 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: a system outside of it. Now, I think that I 429 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: heard I remember I heard somebody say that the Trey 430 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: Lance pickings scho wasn't a scheme adjustment, it was a 431 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,719 Speaker 1: scheme expansion. Well that hasn't worked out at all. I 432 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: think that there are quarterbacks who could expand the scheme, 433 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: and maybe it is Trey Lance. Maybe we'll see, but 434 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: I'm anticipating fricking Sam Darnold starting for them in September. 435 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: So I don't know if honestly just don't know. I mean, 436 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: I again, you and I are different. Is this happened yesterday? 437 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: With with There was an F one driver who came 438 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: back to the grid yesterday, and everybody so why he's 439 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: living a great life, he's famous, and it's like, well, 440 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: he got to be a great F one driver because 441 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: he's wired differently than you and I. And when you 442 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: and I would sit there and say, you know what, 443 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: Seoun McVay, why don't you go in seventeen guess what. 444 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: We're on a podcast. That's what we're doing. We're on 445 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: a podcast and we're not complete psychos who remember every 446 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: play going back to the Miami Ohio days. So easier 447 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: said than done to tank in the NFL. I think 448 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: you lose the respect of the players. You a lot 449 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: of users. Look at the Browns, I mean, they churned 450 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: for years and they are they gonna make an AFC 451 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: telegame anytime soon. Like it's it's just it's it's it's 452 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: easier said than done to tank in the NFL. And 453 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: by the way, like the contract stuff like this whole 454 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: process stuff. People were saying, Oh, Josh Harrison could bring 455 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: the process stuff to the commanders because he was he 456 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: was the owner of for the six Ers, like good, 457 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: I think a rebuild should take two years. It's really 458 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: hard to gut the roster and be good by the 459 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: end of the year too, and we show approved constant 460 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: by the end of the two year because injuries, the 461 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: small windows these guys have and just generally, like you know, 462 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: by the time by the time a guy gets good, 463 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: you're giving out extensions and it defetes the purpos the 464 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: whole of fact. 465 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to go too heavy on Vegas, 466 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 2: but they have the rams I think as favored in 467 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: like two of their first like thirteen games, and there's 468 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 2: a world I don't think they would tank, but if 469 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 2: they start, say one and six, and that's definitely in play. 470 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 2: When you then it's like, well, what are we doing here, guys? 471 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 2: You know, but let me ask you. You know, you 472 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 2: just mentioned Kirk Cousins is his name, which was a 473 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: bit of a surprise. So Kirk Cousins quarterback for the Vikings. 474 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson is receiver. Justin Jefferson just named his top 475 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 2: five quarterbacks in the league. He didn't name Kirk Cousins. 476 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: You and I would agree Kirk Cousins is not a 477 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: top five quarterback. But Kevin Clark, if someone came to 478 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: you and said, Casey, give me the top five podcasters 479 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 2: that you got to listen to. Okay, you work with 480 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 2: Bill Simmons, You're obviously going to say Bill Simmons, right. 481 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: Isn't Justin Jeffers even if people think. 482 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: Simmons isn't a top five guy. I don't know, but 483 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 2: don't you think Justin Jefferson kind of is obligated to say, well, 484 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins the top five quarterback, he's my guy. Like, 485 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 2: isn't that part of the game. 486 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: I think if you asked me my top five podcasters four, 487 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: then when to work at the Ringer, and then I 488 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: would give I would give somebody else, you know, I 489 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: would really lay it on deck. So now I'm Justin Jefferson. 490 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: Uh what I say Kirk Cousins. I probably named some 491 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: backups too, Kellen mont You know, if he's still he's 492 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: not there, he's not He's not Minnesota anymore. But I 493 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: am in agreement with you. I actually have a funny 494 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: justin Jefferson story kind of in that mold. He was 495 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: on my show last summer and we were doing top 496 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: ten receivers, and uh, I thought it was really hacky 497 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: to get him to do to receivers because he'd be 498 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: ranking himself. And so what I was going to do 499 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: instead was just go through the list and have him 500 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: analyze our Our list means super reason. Just have him 501 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: analyze each guy. And so I said to him on 502 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: the pod, I was. 503 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 3: Like, hey, man, we're recording, and I was like, hey, 504 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 3: I'm not. 505 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: Going to have you rank yourself. And he was like, 506 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm on a list, 507 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: I'm top ten. And I was just like perfect, like great, 508 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: Like I literally was like I thought I didn't know him. 509 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: I thought he would like go out of his way 510 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: to be like, well, I can't, I can't rank myself. 511 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: So I was putting in that position and then he 512 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: was like, oh no, I'm gonna rank myself. It's fine. 513 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: So like he's he's up for ranking, he's up for ranking. 514 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: I've seen some people back and forth read the tea 515 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: leaves about Kirk Cousins being a free agent after this 516 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: year and the void you're coming in and the Niners. 517 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 3: Not having a long term planet quarterback. 518 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: And then I saw a San Francisco writer say, oh, no, 519 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 1: they don't want to do that. 520 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 3: Whatever. 521 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: I haven't talked to Kyle Shanahan in a long time, 522 00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: probably three years, but like, hell, they wouldn't. Like there 523 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: is gonna be significant interest from all of those guys, 524 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: Like I know, I've talked of those guys for a 525 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: long time about that offense. 526 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: And they had him in Washington, right. 527 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: They had They all had him in Washington. Yeah, a 528 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: few of them had him. Kevin O'Connell obviously is in 529 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: the mix there in Minnesota. He's Kubiak there. Who's all? 530 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,959 Speaker 1: Who knows all of them? And the amount of times 531 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: I'll talk ball with one of those guys, And I'm 532 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,479 Speaker 1: not talking about necessarily the four head coaches, but I 533 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: certainly some of them, and then their assistance and all 534 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: that stuff. The amount of times they'll say, oh, yeah, 535 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: strike this play, it's a blind throw. Watch Kirk do it. 536 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 3: The other guy like that, by the way. 537 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: Is Ryan Tannehill. Ryan Tannehill is in the mix there 538 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: for like, watch this guy do this, And they're not 539 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 1: saying he's the best. They're just saying, like, we love 540 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: these concepts, Like give me a great example. Mike m 541 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: daniel told me that the one thing they were impressed 542 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: by as a Shanahan McVay tree was that they let 543 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers laflour let Aaron rod is audible. They don't 544 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,959 Speaker 1: like having these guys having freedom with the line. They 545 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: like running the plays put in front of them, and 546 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: so it's not they they like their type of quarterback. 547 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: And it appears to me that Kirk Cousins runs the 548 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: place put in front of him and runs it, has 549 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: these blind throws and runs play action. And like I 550 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: asked Kevin O'Connell last year, I said, I don't quotes 551 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: ever ran anywhere, but I was just doing a bunch 552 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: of other stuff and I was like, tell him, make 553 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: me make make a case for Kirk Cousins. It's like, 554 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: he said, one of the best play action passes of 555 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: his generation. And he's like people will say that doesn't matter, 556 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: but it matters, and it's like, well, if play action 557 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: is a defining overall scheme of the passing game of 558 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: this era, which it is, and you are one of 559 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: the best at it, does that make you one of 560 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 1: the best quarterbacks. I mean, he's paid like it, and 561 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: I you know, he's a legend at the bank, but 562 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: he's serviceable. And I think that that that's foot all 563 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: why he's made a bunch of money and b why 564 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: there's going to be signific interest from that entire crew 565 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: this time next year. 566 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 2: You mentioned F one. Now, I don't know what the 567 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 2: amount of F one listeners we have listening to this podcast. 568 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 2: You know, let's say we have fifty thousand people listening 569 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 2: to this episode. I'm gonna guess under one hundred watch 570 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: fs F one. Okay, but you know, you go to 571 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 2: your stories on the Ringer and you're writing about F 572 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: one like every week. Like it's like you're, you know, 573 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: capping nine O two one oh or something, and I'm like, 574 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 2: this is insane. So I know nothing about you. Might 575 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 2: as well say, you know, F one is Badminton. I'd 576 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 2: be like, okay, got it, you know whatever, Like I 577 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 2: just don't know what's the cell on F If you've 578 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 2: got like an elevator, pitch on F one to me, 579 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 2: like give. 580 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: It to you, all right? So I pod every after 581 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: every race about it. That's what you're referring to and 582 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: it's gon to run show elevator pitch, pretty easy travel show. 583 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: I guess alpha males on the planet being bit to 584 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: you to each other, that's what it is. 585 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 2: That's the biggest alpha males on the planet. So is 586 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 2: this like a reverse Real Housewives or something without? 587 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? So I I have a friend who are still 588 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: his journal, Josh Robinson, who calls it the Real Housewives 589 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: of Monaco, because it's a lot of people watch the 590 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: Netflix show, and so they a lot of the drivers 591 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,239 Speaker 1: are just TV characters to these people at this point, right, 592 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: And that's why someone said to me a couple of 593 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: weeks ago on Twitter, a couple of months ago, they said, 594 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: you know why is NASCAR? Nascar has more compelling racing 595 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 1: they have, there's more parody and all that stuff, But 596 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: no one on Twitter, you know, sits around talking about Nascar. 597 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: The answer is the Netflix show created this world where 598 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: the ninth best driver on the grid or the thirteenth 599 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: best driver on the grid is a TV character. And 600 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: once that happens, you just want to see what's going on? Wait, 601 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: why did this guy finish you know, fifteenth instead of third? 602 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 3: What the hell happened there? 603 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: Oh? These guys are these guys are unhappy all that stuff. 604 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: So to the people who watched the Netflix show, they're 605 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: literal TV hears. That's that's part of it. And then 606 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: I mentioned the travel show thing, like that's real, Like 607 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: they're in a different country every single week. They're in 608 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: Hungry this week, but they were Britain last week. Monico 609 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: is Alvias on the calendar. It's the one Lebron and 610 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: Jerry Jones and all those guys go to Vegas, Miami, 611 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: Austin and America Montreal and Canada. Mexico City obviously, but 612 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: then it's just like they're by water all the time 613 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: and it's beautiful and they're in you know, they're in 614 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: resort towns in Belgium and all this stuff. That's that's 615 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: a great part of it. But then I think the 616 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: biggest thing is that there's a competition. There's a team 617 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: angle to it. Where I made this analogy before, but 618 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: imagine if there was a world in which the Niners 619 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: could play two parallel seasons one last year, one with 620 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo quarterback and with Trei lance a quarterback, and 621 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: then we got to see every single week My computer 622 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: went asleep. We got to see every single week what 623 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: each one looked like, and then we would analyze the 624 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: difference between those two like it would be a phenomenon 625 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: and we'd say, oh, wow, what Jimmy's been for me 626 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: because he's shutting out his teammate. So there's there's that, 627 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: and then like everybody is cool and like even the guys. 628 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 3: I was walking around the F one paddock in uh 629 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 3: in Miami. 630 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: Saying to a friend, it's like, you see these guys 631 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: and women and they're all especially on the like the 632 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: engineer side, right, it's like they're all like super fit 633 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: Cosmopolitan went to Oxford or whatever the French equivalent is 634 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: or the Italian equivalent, and like they've got the coolest haircut. 635 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: And then the smartest people in the world. And you 636 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: know what, you know what some of those people the 637 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: best team, you know, like that's like the worst people 638 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: in F one are a lot of cases are still 639 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: smarter than almost anybody who know from an engineering and. 640 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 2: I got asked, are the are the wives and girlfriends 641 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 2: super hot? 642 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, and so uh nexts my co host next 643 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: she's for my cost is in deep into wives and 644 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: girlfriend F one message boards and stuff like Twitter, like 645 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: there's a whole genre around it. And so she'll always 646 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: send me this stuff in which she talks about in 647 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: the pods some times the well the wag boards because 648 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: that happened with recently with Shakira and the was Hamilton. 649 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: And then there's some some sort of rumors about that, 650 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: uh in the press, the gossip press. And then charl 651 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: Leclair just debuted his new with his public publicly debuted 652 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: his new apparently girlfriend at Wimbledon. He's a Ferrari driver 653 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: the other day, and you know, you just think, like, uh, 654 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: he became single a couple of months ago, and I 655 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: was talking to someone in Miami and I was just like, 656 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: Ferrari driver from Monico, obviously lives in Monico, good looking guy, 657 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: like most eligible Bachler in the world, like all things considered, 658 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: all things considered, most eligible bachelor in the world. Obviously 659 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: Louis Hamilton in the mix there, depending on whether or 660 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: not Shakira and him are ever gonna ever gonna make 661 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: it happen publicly. So that's that's part of it. And 662 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: now you think about it, and then you take all 663 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: of these characters and you you put them in direct 664 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: competition with each other. And there's a quote from a 665 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: guy named Ross Braun who built built one of the 666 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: best cars ever and you're sreft one now, but he 667 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: said that there's some years where the car that finishes 668 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: first in the first race of the season would finish 669 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: last in the last race of the season because they're 670 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: constantly making adjustments and they're constantly like think about an 671 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: NFL season where it's like, Okay, this play worked in 672 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: Week one, and the defense is figured it out by 673 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: October and then the team is running a totally different offense. Right. 674 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: It's that but cars, And that's why I think you 675 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: have all this stuff and I think that people were 676 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: on the inside of it love it because of all 677 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: all of these factors. 678 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 2: From hot people and awesome locales. I want to wrap 679 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 2: up asking about ink stained wretches at the state of 680 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 2: the Media. You worked at the Wall Street Journal. I 681 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 2: think that's what I first heard about you, unless there 682 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 2: was somewhere before that. But you know, New York media 683 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 2: is a big deal, and when The New York Times 684 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 2: dumps its sports section in favor of the athletic it's 685 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 2: kind of one of these landmark decisions. We've seen this 686 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 2: for a while, blogs kind of disrupted media, and then 687 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 2: social media really screwed up newspapers, and it feels like 688 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 2: the New York Times could be a tipping point. I 689 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 2: think the next like probably sixteen eighteen months are going 690 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: to be really telling in sports media, especially given what 691 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,959 Speaker 2: just happened in ESPN with that blood letting. I just wonder, Kevin, like, 692 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 2: you know you grew up. You and I both went 693 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 2: to college. I think I'm going to be a journalist. Yeah, 694 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 2: that's the thing. I want to come out to be 695 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 2: a journalist. And like it's only been like ten twenty 696 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 2: years and that's totally changed. Like that profession is just 697 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 2: not what it once was. I don't know, it just 698 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 2: kind of sum it up. Give me your thoughts on 699 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 2: where that is. I'm sure college kids are asking you 700 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 2: for advice all the time. I just tell them steer 701 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 2: clear of sports media, like it ain't it's not the 702 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 2: spot to be in now. 703 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: Well, people were saying that when I was in college. 704 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: It's obviously a little bit different. It's a lot of different, 705 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: excuse me, a lot different than I was in college. 706 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: And one of the things that's heartbreaking is, you know, Jason, 707 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: you and I probably the same where we're twenty one 708 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: years old and we're reading the New York Times and 709 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: for me that meant Lee Jenkins and Pete Fammel and 710 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 1: Greg Bishop and all these guys. And I'm sitting there thinking, 711 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: like columnist at the New York Times Sports section, Well, 712 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: I think when I was in high school, I was 713 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 1: slaining to Roberts, like, that's it, that's the gig, that's 714 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: the gig you want. And the fact that not only 715 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: is that not the gig we want, it's a gig 716 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: that no longer exists is unbelievable because the people who 717 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: are getting reassigned right now, they're at the pinnacle of 718 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: the profession. Like that's they got the jobs that thirteen 719 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: years ago we wanted very badly in a lot of cases. 720 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: And it's heartbreaking when you see it, and it's sort 721 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: of a corporate you didn't do. 722 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 3: Anything wrong kind of deal. 723 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: If you're thinking about Tyler Kettner, who's one of the 724 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: best baseball writers in the world, I don't know what 725 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: he's going to be doing after September, but if it's 726 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: not writing about baseball, that's bad for baseball and it's 727 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: bad for The Times. By the way, and so there's 728 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: always been an element of kind of running into a 729 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: burning building with with sports journalism, because it felt like 730 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,439 Speaker 1: it was dying when I was in college. I left 731 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,760 Speaker 1: in twenty ten, left college Miami twenty ten, and even 732 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: then it just felt like I was working when I 733 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: was in college for a tribute paper and people would 734 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: just get laid off all the time. It was so depressing. 735 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: I think the one I think there's two things that 736 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: they break my heart about it. Number one is that 737 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: being a writer for one publication and just staying there 738 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: and having a nice life seems to not be h 739 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,479 Speaker 1: not be a possible. And that's I left that life 740 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,720 Speaker 1: like if I had stayed in newspapers and just Okay, 741 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have this job and cover this team or 742 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: this area of this sport, and I'm just going to 743 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: do it for forty years, which, by the way, was 744 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: a dream gig when we were kids. Yeah, not possible 745 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: now National NFL, right for a newspaper was a dream 746 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 1: gig when we were drawing, when we were going up. 747 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: Now it's if you do it, you have to do 748 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: five other things. You have to pod, you have to 749 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: do video, you have to do you know a couple 750 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 1: other things I don't know you've covered about radio hits 751 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: one hundred. It's not just sit there and right the 752 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: best columns possible. I mean, I'm a huge spourths Dirk. 753 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: The bookshelf behind me is filled with anthologies of guys 754 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: like Dan Jenkins who would just go to golf tournaments, 755 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: go to college football games, right the best piece is possible. 756 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: That job no longer existed, and that's heartbreaking, and I 757 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 1: just don't know. 758 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 3: I mean, like, I think. 759 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: The second part of it is that there is a 760 00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: trade off, which is the way to be that And again, 761 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: you can't do it without the podcasting and being accessible 762 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: on all different stuff and putting your name out there 763 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But I think that someone look 764 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: at someone like Ara Juani who works for us on 765 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,720 Speaker 1: pon the podcasting side, but he does six other things, 766 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 1: and he came on my show last year and says 767 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,399 Speaker 1: he makes more money than he used to by doing 768 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: that stuff. 769 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,720 Speaker 3: And I think. 770 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: That what we're seeing now is a transition that where 771 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: the industry is going to be a lot smaller and 772 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,280 Speaker 1: it's going to be based on your own ISAs names 773 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: and not the name of the New York Times, not 774 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: the name of the USA today, not the name of 775 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: the LA Times, who don't even won't even have sports 776 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: scores in the paper after three pm, after the announcement 777 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 1: the other day. It's just like, I just don't. It 778 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: is incredibly heartbreaking to see things that I just adored 779 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: as a kid not matter anymore because I'm not that 780 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm not that old. And you know, I think about 781 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: when I was growing up. I was growing up in Orlando, 782 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: and the paper there was Joette mccerr Selena Roberts, later on, 783 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:17,320 Speaker 1: Joe Shadd, Jeff Darlington, Charles Robinson, all of these awesome writers, 784 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: and I would just open the paper every day and 785 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,479 Speaker 1: read it and see what was in that. Rick Mates 786 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: was in the mix there, and Jared Brewer and and 787 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: I would see all of these guys and women. Jamal 788 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: Hill was there, and I would just I would be 789 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: in awe of it. And it's like, where can you 790 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 1: get that? You know, there's nowhere, not even close. You 791 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: can't get to the New York Times Now it's let alone. 792 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: You can't get it in Miami or Houston or Los Angeles. 793 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: The end of the sports section is heartbreaking, and I 794 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: don't necessarily think that leagues know how important feeding the media, 795 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: media media ecosystem is to their their brand because all 796 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: of these debate shows, all these debate shows, all of 797 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 1: these social media quote cards or whatever of them are 798 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,879 Speaker 1: originating in some way from daily beat reporting, and if 799 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: that goes away, I don't think NFL Daily Beat ready 800 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: when not go away, because it is significally less travel 801 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: and so much more information Baseball, basketball, hockey. If those 802 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: start to go away on a daily basis, you're going 803 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 1: to see a lot less interest because you're going to 804 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 1: see a lot less news. I just really think that 805 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: leads me to think about that. 806 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,760 Speaker 2: But don't shouldn't the teams just bring it in house. 807 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 2: They have a huge voice. All the people who are 808 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 2: fans of the Phoenix Coyotes, I think that's their name. 809 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 2: They automatically follow the account on Facebook and Twitter and Instagram, 810 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 2: and you just ferret out your news that way. Now, 811 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,439 Speaker 2: it's very slanted news, you know, coming from the team, 812 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 2: it's going to be relentlessly upbeat. But that kind of 813 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 2: feels like the future. I don't think it's great, but 814 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 2: it kind of feels like we're heading that way. Let 815 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 2: me ask you one last random question. You are an 816 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 2: Orlando Magic fan, probably the biggest Orlando Magic fan that 817 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 2: I know outside of my family. Would you take this? 818 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 2: Next year Lebron James's son, Bronni gets drafted by the Magic. 819 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 2: I don't know, let's just say twelfth overall. I'm just hypothetical. Okay, 820 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 2: Bronnie's going to Orlando and Lebron says, Orlando, I want 821 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 2: to come on down play with mister ben Getto and 822 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 2: Jalen Sugs and company. Are you taking that package, Lebron 823 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 2: and Bronni or does it disrupt with your building whatever 824 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 2: you're building with ben Caro and Wagner and company? 825 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 1: Would not take it? 826 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 3: Oh? 827 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,479 Speaker 1: Part of it is that it reminds me a little 828 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 1: bit of remember there were rumors about him going back 829 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: to Cleveland and the Young Core. There was just like 830 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: this recently, not not when he came back to Cleveland 831 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: and there were people saying, well, wait, the young Core 832 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 1: is in Cleveland, is building something. It's before Donovan Mitchell 833 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: fan and the Young Core is building something, and let 834 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: them have their own identity. I think a couple of players. 835 00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,280 Speaker 3: Even say let them have their own identity. 836 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Scarland and Evan Mobley. 837 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, Yeah, I mean I don't. I don't think 838 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,240 Speaker 1: that I would rather Bronz Wagner. 839 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 3: I think Paolo is. I loved Palo. 840 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 1: As a rookie, Thank god. I was listening to Kevin 841 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,399 Speaker 1: Pelton on the La Post a couple of months ago, 842 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: and he said. 843 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 3: That I was worried about I was worried about Polo's. 844 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,359 Speaker 1: Efficiency numbers because he wasn't a great shooter last year. 845 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: And Kevin Pelton said he reminds him a little bit 846 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: of Durant being such his usage rate was so high 847 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: as a rookie, and so his shooting was bad. And 848 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,399 Speaker 1: so that's my cope. That's how I sleep at night. 849 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: Without that, I'd be wandering around with streets of Archmont, 850 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: New York, just looking for some some a safety blanket 851 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: with with Polo shooting last year. But I love the 852 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,399 Speaker 1: draft picks this year. I do think that we're gonna 853 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: see a little bit of what we are because the 854 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 1: Booch trade is over. The last two picks were made 855 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: this year. Didn't love Howard as a selection, A little 856 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: bit of a reach in this with that, with that 857 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 1: second pick still a lottery pick, I think we could 858 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,839 Speaker 1: have got more value there. I just want to see 859 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: what this looks like. If it doesn't look good, if 860 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: PLO doesn't look like an amazing shooter this year, maybe 861 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: I say, you know what, deal me out, let's do 862 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: let's do Lebron. But I just think that that that 863 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 1: comes with its own thing. The other thing I would 864 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: say is in in reading and listening to a lot 865 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: of Lebron coverage, it sounds like once you sign Lebron, 866 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: that clutch basically says like, well, here's part of the deal, 867 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 1: we get to sort of run your team. I would 868 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: with the assets throwne who currently has, I'd like to 869 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 1: sort of see it, see it out. I don't I 870 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: think that, uh, the moment you get Bronni and Lebron 871 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: is also the moment you get a new GM named 872 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: rich Paul. 873 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,800 Speaker 2: Oh, come on, he did bring the Lakers a title 874 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 2: within the deal in the cover finals. 875 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. I'm saying, that's the deal there, right, 876 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:02,399 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I's just from watching tons of NBA 877 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: listening to tons of NBA. 878 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 2: Okay, so final do you think Kevin, though the owner, 879 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 2: would say, guys, Lebron and Bronni, this has never been 880 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,720 Speaker 2: done before an NBA history. I see tickets, I see merch, 881 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 2: I see National TV games. This we're printing money in Orlando, 882 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 2: Like of course we're doing this. Do you think the 883 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,839 Speaker 2: owner would overrule the GM, because if you think about 884 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 2: it like that, that's going to be a gold mine 885 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 2: for Orlando. They're gonna be the number one maybe sold 886 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 2: out every game at home, probably on the road, a 887 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,800 Speaker 2: tough ticket like all of a sudden, Orlando's relevant. 888 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think part of it is restoring 889 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 1: Orlando's image is a free agent destination because when I 890 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: was growing up there, Grant Hill wanted to come there. 891 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: Terasa McGrady wanted to come there. Tim Duncan came within 892 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 1: an hour of going there. Because people like Orlando, Tiger 893 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 1: Woods was living there. So many NFL and NBA guys 894 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: live there in the offseason. And yet it seems like 895 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: there's been I know why, I want to hear rescue Miami. 896 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,320 Speaker 1: It's said there's been a huge chasm that's developed. 897 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 3: In Miami and Orlando. Well, Orlando has no. 898 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,600 Speaker 1: State income tax. Orlando has a lot of nice golf 899 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 1: courses in Lake Chigan live on that are you know, 900 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: tons of NBA players already do, and NFL players already do, 901 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: And so I think if there's any sort of coping mechanism, 902 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: if that happened for me, it'd be more of people saying. 903 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, by the way, I believe. 904 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: Lebron wants say he'd rather retire than go play in Orlando. 905 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 1: He said it on the shop. But I think you'd 906 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: be establishing people saying, hey, let's let's take a look 907 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,399 Speaker 1: at Orlando a little bit. I just don't know basketball wise, 908 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,880 Speaker 1: if it's if it's a great fit, all right. 909 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,399 Speaker 2: Good stuff, Kevin Clark touching all the bases, a little 910 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 2: media f one, NBA and of course NFL. Hey, Kevin, 911 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,759 Speaker 2: thanks a lot for taking the time this summer. Looking 912 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 2: forward to your NFL previews and all your fun stuff 913 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 2: with the Ringer in podcasts anytime, Buddy,