1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker. So, folks, 3 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: funny thing. Guess who just voted early but wants to 4 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: eliminate early voting for everyone else in the country, Donald Trump. 5 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: As reported by Kamala HQ, they put up a clip 6 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump on Fox News speaking about how wonderful 7 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: it was for him to cast his ballot early, and 8 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: what a wonderful system Florida has, you know, the very 9 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: same system that he doesn't want you all to have 10 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: access to. I tell you that the hypocrisy is just 11 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: so thick. It feels like why Washington DC in August? 12 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: It is just unbearable. At this point, speaking of hypocrisy, 13 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: can we talk about the fact that all of mainstream 14 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: media Washington Post, New York Times, Politico and others got 15 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: a tip on hacked emails of Donald Trump, and guess 16 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: who decided not to publish those emails? All of corporate 17 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: mainstream media, The very same corporate mainstream media that did 18 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: decide to run a hit job in twenty sixteen that 19 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: most likely helped Hillary Clinton lose the election to a 20 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: known pussy grabbing, grifting, criminal. I just am so fucking 21 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: done with mainstream corporate media. I know that I say 22 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: this every single week, but I always have to show 23 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: you exactly where the receipts lie. This is the same 24 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: mainstream media that ran I don't even know how many 25 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: goddamn stories on Hillary Clinton's separate server, her private server, 26 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: her emails, but her emails, but her emails, but her emails. 27 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: But when you have access to Donald Trump's emails from 28 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: the same type of hackers, you decide not to do that. 29 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: So there's only one thing that is clear to me 30 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: and to the rest of the public, which is that 31 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: corporate mainstream media is in the bag for Donald Trump. 32 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: And that is where they have been right. Because again, 33 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: where are all of the stories now that Biden has 34 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: removed himself from the presidential race, Where are all the 35 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 1: stories about Donald Trump being the oldest person to ever 36 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: run for president of the United States? After his is 37 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: our long ramble at mar A Lago that they called 38 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: the quote unquote press conference where he went off on 39 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 1: so many tangents where he was just recently with Elon 40 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: Musk on that broke down place called spaces where his 41 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: words were slurring and again off on tangents. Where are 42 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: the calls about his cognitive decline. Where are the calls 43 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: about Donald Trump not being fit for office? Where are 44 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: the calls around his stamina since he hasn't been on 45 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: the campaign trail? None of it right. So one can 46 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: only say then that the idea which was planted by 47 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: Republicans that somehow we have a liberal media is bullshit 48 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: because if the media was quote unquote liberal, then we 49 00:03:54,880 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: would have stories about Donald Trump's criminality, about his cognitive decline, 50 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: about his emails, about all of the ways in which 51 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: his son in law raped in two billion dollars from 52 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: the Saudis as soon as he stepped outside of the 53 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: White House, that there would be the same amount of 54 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: coverage that Hunter Biden's laptop got, would be the same 55 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: amount of coverage that you would see the actual money 56 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: that Jared Kushner, Oh and the patents that Ivanka Trump 57 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: got from China during her father's administration. But you don't 58 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: see those fucking stories. There isn't wal to wall coverage. 59 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: And so it's Republicans once again that run the media, 60 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: that are sitting in the c suites that are deciding 61 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: for you. What you should know versus what you should 62 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: not know. And I will tell you, friends that this 63 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: is absolute bullshit. And for so long we continue to 64 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: say to ourselves, oh, no, Donald Trump like he you know, 65 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: he's a criminal, this, that and the other thing. It 66 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: is folks like myself in independent media and folks that 67 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: are in the uh independent sphere that are the ones 68 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: that are breaking out the news because if you leave 69 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: it to the CNNs and the msnbcs of the world, folks, 70 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: you wouldn't know anything. So all I have to say 71 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: and will consistently say, is that I want you to 72 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: continue to support outlets like mine, outlets like Mary Trump 73 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: media outlets that are giving you the news that are 74 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: unfiltered and without the bullshit, because if you are relying 75 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: on these other outlets to guide you through this election cycle, 76 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: you are going to be left in the dark. I 77 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: also want to give give a shout out to Governor Walls, 78 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: who the Republican Party has not found a way to 79 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: attack this man, and so they've tried now to attack 80 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: his military service and to do what they did to 81 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: John Carry so many moons ago. The funny thing is, though, 82 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: that one we know that Donald Trump evaded the draft 83 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: by getting his daddy to call into a doctor to 84 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: get him a doctor's note about quote unquote bone spurs 85 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: that no one in the Trump family has ever fucking 86 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: served their country, has never done anything but served themselves. 87 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: We know that jd. Vance has served his country, but 88 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: not for two plus decades in the way that Governor 89 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: Tim Walls has. So recently, Governor Walls was speaking at 90 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: the Ask Me event, their conference where he talked about 91 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: his military service, and this clip is going around and folks, 92 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: I would encourage you. I am also doing a micro 93 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: show on Mary Trump Media called Get Woke with Danielle. 94 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: That is a short version video show on YouTube. So 95 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: check that out because I did cover this there and 96 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: you can subscribe to the channel and that show comes 97 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: out on Wednesdays and Saturdays. But Governor Walls, you know, 98 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: he said, no one who is brave enough should to 99 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: put on a uniform to defend their country should be 100 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: denigrated for that service. The only thing that you should 101 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: say is thank you. And so in his message at 102 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: ask Me, he said, and so to my opponent, speaking 103 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: of jd Vance, thank you for your service, because I'm 104 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: telling you that there is nothing that gets on under 105 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: these people's skin more than decency and joy, both of 106 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: which the Harris Walls campaign has in spades, and Maga 107 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: has zilch. Coming up next, dear friends, my conversation with 108 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: our friend, our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, where 109 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: we talk about the VP pick and we talk about 110 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: where this campaign currently stands on the conversation around gun 111 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: safety and gun control. Folks, you know that whenever had 112 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: the opportunity to sit down with our friend, our in 113 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, we are always thrilled. And Jonathan, 114 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: it has been a incredible few weeks in democratic circles 115 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: since the transition from Biden to Harris, and when we 116 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: last spoke, I'm not quite sure if we had a 117 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: vice per residential candidate because I can't keep my days 118 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: or hours straight. But since Governor Waltz has been rolled 119 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: out as the VP choice one, I will say that 120 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: on my end, I think that this campaign has been 121 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: seamless thus far, and that is saying a lot. We 122 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: don't get treated to campaigns like this that actually listen 123 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: to the people, that react in real time, that are 124 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: punching back in smart and funny ways, that are going viral. 125 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: But I want to get your thoughts on the way 126 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: in which this campaign is handling Governor Waltz and his 127 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: gun record and being in a red state and kind 128 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: of lifting it up as a counter punch to Republicans. 129 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 2: Well, on one hand, I think it's great. 130 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 3: I mean, I think the fact that there are so 131 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 3: many images of him hunting or in the military holding 132 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 3: a weapon. I think it's important, right because a lot 133 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: of time we just have this divide between like pro 134 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: or anti gun, and I think that there's an opportunity 135 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 3: here to trouble that a little bit, which I think 136 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 3: is a great opportunity. So I think it's a better 137 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 3: place to be and than we were a few weeks ago, 138 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 3: and I think it's important. I think there are, as 139 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 3: I've said for years here, you know, centrist gun owners 140 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: who are just very susceptible to the message that they're 141 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 3: going to come take your guns away and. 142 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: Things like that. 143 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 3: I think the caveat is that there's a liberal framing 144 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 3: of guns and there's a conservative framing of guns. The 145 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: liberal framing of guns is there are too many mass shootings. 146 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: We need gun control, we need background checks and red 147 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 3: flag laws and all that kind of stuff. So that's 148 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 3: kind of our side, which is the kind of public health, 149 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 3: let's reduce gun mortality kind of side. But the issue 150 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 3: is that for the right, guns are linked to autonomy 151 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 3: and crime, and so there was a move, as I 152 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 3: write about in my book in the nineties, right, the 153 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 3: Democrats actually tied gun control to crime reduction. That was 154 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 3: the crime bill that is obviously very controversial. Now I 155 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 3: had all of these mass incarceration outcomes, but that was 156 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 3: also the time that we passed an assault weapons ban 157 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 3: as part of that, and so Democrats kind of rallied 158 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 3: around there's. 159 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: Too much crime. 160 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 3: And what's important to note this is kind of a tangent, 161 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 3: is that in the nineties, black Americans were ten points 162 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 3: on pulling more likely than white Americans to support the 163 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 3: crime bill because they wanted an assault weaponspan. But what 164 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 3: happened because that crime bill was so problematic, was that 165 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: we kind of gave up on crime as a topic. 166 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 3: Roughly speaking, now I know that what we're seeing as 167 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 3: a reduction, what does. 168 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: That mean that we kind of gave up on crime 169 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: as a topic. 170 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 3: When your interventions are red flag laws, for example, that's 171 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 3: one of our main things. It's like your loved one 172 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 3: is spiraling. They could go commit a mass shooting, they 173 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 3: could commit suicide. That intervention is not going to be 174 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: something that adapts to crime trends, homicide, robbery, all those 175 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 3: kind of things. If you're looking at background checks for example, 176 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 3: those are what are called point of sale interventions. When 177 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 3: somebody goes and buys a gun, it's like they have 178 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 3: to get a driver's license, their pass or a thing. 179 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 3: But that again is for the quote unquote legal gun market. 180 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 3: But most guns that are used in crimes are that's 181 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 3: not impacting most guns or a crime. So we kind 182 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: of moved away from crime because of its racial overtones, 183 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 3: because of the racial effects, but it's opened the door 184 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 3: for the right to say you need a gun because 185 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 3: there's too much crime. And so I guess this is 186 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 3: a very long winded way of saying what I've been 187 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 3: writing about for a while, which is it's not going 188 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 3: to be good enough. I don't think as a message 189 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 3: to say we need common sense kind of reform and 190 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 3: we have a guy who likes guns, but also we 191 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 3: need background checks, unless you also have a convincing message 192 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 3: about crime. 193 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: You know they have one. Right now. Crime has been 194 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: going down since the pandemic. 195 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: I was going to say, I'm like, you know, the 196 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,479 Speaker 1: messaging around crime is that one, it is an inflated 197 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: talking point of the right because in major cities across 198 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: this country crime has been going down, and crime was 199 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: up during the Trump administration. And so what would be 200 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: the talking point other than the statistics around the fact 201 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: that crime is actually going down and has been going 202 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: down over the last four years in comparison to Donald 203 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: Trump's administration. 204 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 2: That all sounds great. I'll tweet it out later today. 205 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 3: I wrote a piece of this helping post, which is 206 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 3: there's difference of saying, like I'm just set telling you 207 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 3: that works on the right, is you need a gun 208 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 3: because there's too much crime, or there's too many legal 209 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 3: guns or things like that. And now the irony, of course, 210 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 3: is that there are things that we can be doing 211 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 3: that really hammer home how many GOP policies are leading 212 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 3: to an increasing crime. One example is there's thing called 213 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 3: straw purchase, Like somebody goes to a gun show, they 214 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 3: buy a gun, they step outside and hand it to 215 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 3: somebody who is not allowed to have a gun. So 216 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 3: in Tennessee, we tried to block that and the Gop said, no, 217 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 3: we're keeping that because it's an infringement on guvern even 218 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 3: though like that's overwhelmingly the guns that are used in crime, 219 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 3: guns in trunks and cars are very frequently stolen. And 220 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 3: so I would just say that these are opportunities for 221 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 3: the Democrats to hammer home crime, which is something that 222 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 3: if you're going to impact the right and not mobile 223 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 3: the mobilize the left. Keep talking about background checks if 224 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: you want to mobilize the right. Put the Republicans on 225 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 3: the defensive about what they're doing for guns that are 226 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 3: increasing crime. In other words, co op crime as a topic, 227 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 3: because I can just tell you statistics don't really hit 228 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 3: home like you can tell people, oh, crime rates are 229 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 3: going down, But if people don't feel safe in their neighborhood, 230 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 3: or they're taking the subway and they feel unsafe, or 231 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 3: you know, in Tennessee, there's plenty of areas where there's 232 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 3: tons of crime, and so hearing oh, at an aggregate level, 233 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 3: crime is going down, it doesn't really hit home to people, 234 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 3: and it sounds like you're gaslining them. I think a 235 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 3: lot of times if you use that as your main point, 236 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 3: But I do think there's an opportunity to really nail 237 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: the policies from the GOP that are leading to increase 238 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 3: in crime and make them answer for those. 239 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: So when you say the change of language is necessary 240 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: in order to mobilize the right, you mean mobilize in 241 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: the way to put them on the defensive, not necessarily 242 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: in this kind of fairy tale place of Oh, they're 243 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: going to come on our side because of the gun issue. 244 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 2: No, we're going to in others. 245 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 3: We got too afraid of talking about crime because of 246 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 3: its racist overtones, and I think we need to overcome that. 247 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 3: I actually think we need to talk about crime in 248 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 3: relation to guns, and I think there's a way of 249 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 3: basically making the GOP answer for their positions, which cut 250 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 3: at the heart of gun owners who might come to 251 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 3: our side, but crime is such an issue for them. 252 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: Now there's the. 253 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 3: So called illegal gun market, so a lot of guns 254 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 3: are bought legally in places, and then it's called the 255 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 3: iron pipeline. They are shipped to underground markets, to illegal 256 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 3: gun markets. So I could say, let's close the loopholes 257 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 3: between illegal and legal gun markets, which leads to gun trafficking. 258 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 3: I just think like hammered those points because anybody who's 259 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 3: going to support a background check. They're already ing for Kumalaris, 260 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 3: but it makes it very easy for the right. 261 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 2: And this is just about messaging. I mean, there's all 262 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: these other things. 263 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 3: You know, the na is going to put in billions 264 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 3: of dollars for Trump, but they're going to do it 265 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 3: by saying this guy was the head of Minnesota during 266 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 3: George Floyd and they burned down the CBS and Baskin 267 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 3: Robbins and stuff like that. So I'm just saying, like, 268 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 3: go on the offensive now about that George Floyd thing. 269 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 3: That's going to come and say, here's the loophole that 270 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: led Kyle Rittenhouse drive into another state, and you know 271 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 3: that kind of thing. So I would just say, like, 272 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 3: seize the mantle of crime. Don't keep harping the same points. 273 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: Now. I'm a little nervous about this because. 274 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 3: I know, just you know, all just between me and 275 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 3: you and our millions of listeners, that the Hairs campaign 276 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 3: is being advised by a lot of great grassroots organizations 277 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 3: who really care a lot about background checks and red 278 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 3: flag laws. 279 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 2: But I just think I just think, as I said. 280 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 3: Before, it's time to like up the ante on that. 281 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 3: And I think putting people on the defensive about crime. 282 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 3: To me, is the way to do it. And I 283 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 3: say this in part because I've interviewed hundreds of gun owners. 284 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 3: I asked them, like, what does liberal messaging say to you? 285 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 3: And this is the answer I get. And again, I 286 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 3: think that are very clear. I mean, I'll just say 287 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 3: this again. In Tennessee, they legalized what's called guns in trunks. 288 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 3: You could carry a loaded gun in your trunk to 289 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 3: work if you needed it for your smoke break, something 290 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: like that, and all of a sudden, car thefts skyrocketed, 291 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 3: all of. 292 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: A sudden, Oh yeah, interesting. 293 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 2: And people breaking into trunks. So it was totally linked. 294 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 3: In Memphis, it was like some astronomical number of crimes 295 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,239 Speaker 3: were links to guns stolen from people's cars. And so 296 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 3: there was a very clear and statistical correlation between this legislation. 297 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: And right and they increase in crime and an increase 298 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: in crime. 299 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 2: And so I think there are a number of things 300 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 2: like that. 301 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 3: Again, the straw poll issue, crossing state borders, all these 302 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 3: kind of things, all these things are linked to statistical 303 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 3: increases in crime. And so I think it's time for us. See, 304 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 3: I mean, crime is a real issue for a lot 305 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 3: of people, and I think it's time for us to 306 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 3: kind of seize that mantleback and do it in a 307 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 3: way that puts the onus on these crappy gun laws 308 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 3: that lead to crime, and in a way I just 309 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 3: think we don't make the other side play defense enough 310 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 3: about this issue. Because we're debating on this terrain which 311 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 3: they're already, it's so easy for them to attack public health. 312 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 3: I mean, look what happened during the pandemic, Like, oh, 313 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 3: you want me to give up my gun to be 314 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 3: in solidarity with these other people, Like it just ain't happening. 315 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: I want to switch gears a bit and ask you 316 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: with a couple of minutes that we have you about 317 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's recent die a Try stream of consciousness press 318 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: conference at mar Lago and then his recent sit down 319 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: with Elon Musk on his Broke Down Spaces site. Many 320 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: people right have been saying for quite some time that 321 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is clearly incognitive decline. Now I know that 322 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: you are not his doctor, so anything that you're saying 323 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: is based on opinion, but also based on your medical experience. 324 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: What do you make of what we have been seeing 325 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: over the last several years, but really in the last 326 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: year of Donald Trump's language, and I mean like his 327 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: lack of ability to articulate like full sentences his speech, 328 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: the fact that he is not campaigning and yet the 329 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: media is not talking about his level of stamina versus 330 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: Joe Biden just recently riding a bike around rohob with Delaware. 331 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: But what do you make of what you've seen and heard? 332 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 3: Well, again, I'm not going to diagnose him. I don't know, 333 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 3: because so much of what Trump does is performative. I mean, 334 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 3: I listened to like two minutes of that thing last night, 335 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 3: and I'll just say that they were using the age 336 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 3: hammer against us, and now we can use it against them. 337 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 3: I hate for agism to be part of this, but 338 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 3: that's just kind of where we're at. I don't know, 339 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 3: you know, you never know with Trump what is real 340 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 3: what's performance, So I really can't speculate. 341 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: But how I mean, how would you say that this 342 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: performance would be, I guess a boost for him as 343 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: opposed to a negative. 344 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 2: Well, I'll admit it. 345 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 3: I read the New York Post among everything else in 346 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 3: the morning. They have a really good sports pace and 347 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 3: the New York Post article was like trump Hammer's liberals, 348 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 3: like there was nothing in there about reentering or slurring 349 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 3: or anything like that, So it's really TVD. I mean, 350 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 3: you know, we know in the press day anybody can 351 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 3: read off a teleprompter. And there was an article the 352 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 3: Martion Post this morning that an oil magnet is giving 353 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: tens of millions of dollars to Trump. All these judges 354 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 3: are being so it's really kind of the structure around 355 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 3: Trump and how are we going to use it? But 356 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,239 Speaker 3: I do think obviously the age and vibrancy issue is 357 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 3: on our side right now, so we should use it. 358 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 359 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 3: I mean, again, I've heard Trump member like he couldn't 360 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 3: sip water and he couldn't walk up a thing, and 361 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 3: it turned out to be a ramp during Dury's presidency, 362 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 3: and then it turned out to not be real. So 363 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 3: I don't want to speculate like what's real and what's 364 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 3: a trap? I mean, he's an older guy, he's out 365 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 3: of shape, overweight, all this kind of stuff, So there 366 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 3: are certainly risk factors for all that, and I think 367 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 3: we should really be thinking like do we want the 368 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 3: hillbilly eulogy to be president? And so I think that 369 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 3: there are real concerns about like the succession of power 370 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 3: and do we want I think those are all totally 371 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 3: fair game. And I think these these slip ups in 372 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 3: public are opportunities. But again, you know, you counter that 373 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 3: against his messaging to his base, which is I am 374 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 3: the lord, I survived in this fascination attempt, I am killable, 375 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. 376 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, all that kind of stuff. 377 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: So so basically he's a vampire. Last quick question for you. 378 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: Do you think that the hopefulness that we are seeing 379 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: and experiencing and the enthusiasm is something that is sustainable? 380 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: I hope. 381 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 3: So, I mean that's that's great. I think that's great. 382 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 3: I think that the point has been made that and 383 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 3: you and I talked about this a lot. A threat 384 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 3: to democracy was not a very good rallying cry. It 385 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 3: was too abstract, it was too negative to reactionary. So 386 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 3: hope is a great frame for this moment. I think 387 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 3: a lot will depend on how the convention goes. Hopefully 388 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 3: people be ruined the same direction during during the convention, 389 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 3: and and so I think I think that that's really 390 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 3: the big issue. 391 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: All right, well, Jonathan, my friend, we will leave it 392 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: there today. As always, greatly appreciate you making the time 393 00:22:53,320 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: for WOKF by everybody hanging there. That is it. From today, 394 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: dear friends on Woke af AS always power to the 395 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: people and to all the people. Power, get woke and 396 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: stay woke as fuck.