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Speaker 1: Welcome to Thursday's a Big Blue kioff live here on

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get into obviously Super Bowl fifty three. Paul

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Speaker 1: and I will give you our predictions, break down the

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Speaker 1: matchum a bit between the Patriots and the Rams as

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Speaker 1: we inch closer to the big game in Atlanta. But

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Speaker 1: we're gonna start with some Giants news and say Kwon

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Speaker 1: Barkley has been named the PEPSI Rookie of the Year,

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Speaker 1: which is voted in by the fans. We heavily promoted

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Speaker 1: it here on Giants dot Com. There are a number

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Speaker 1: of finalists. You had Brown's running back Nick Chubb, Colts

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Speaker 1: linebacker Darius Leonard, Broncos running back Philip Lindsay, and Brown's

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Speaker 1: quarterback Baker Mayfield. So se Kwon Barkley was given that

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Speaker 1: Award in Atlanta today, and the True Rookie of the

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Speaker 1: Year Award, Paul, which is the ap Rookie of the

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Speaker 1: Year award, is going to be handed out Saturday night

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Speaker 1: at NFL Honors. So there's a variety of Rookie of

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Speaker 1: the Year awards, but certainly a nice acknowledgement by the

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Speaker 1: fans to see what sa Kwan Berkley did and at

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Speaker 1: least take that into consideration and give him a piece

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Speaker 1: of hardware here. I object, you object. I object you

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Speaker 1: called it the True Rookie of the Award on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: it may be the more prestigious Rookie of the Year award,

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Speaker 1: because actually I'm not wrong. It's the NFL Honors Rookie

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Speaker 1: Associated Press. But that doesn't mean that this one is fake.

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Speaker 1: By saying that one is true, you're implying all the

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Speaker 1: other ones are fake. Well, so I take offense, take characterization.

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Speaker 1: I'm just preaching the truth. That's all I'm preaching. I'm

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Speaker 1: not trying to take anything away from se Kwon Barkley.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of people they always ask in fairness, Paul,

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Speaker 1: because we were talking about magazines give out Rookie of

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Speaker 1: the Year awards, wanting Football Writers of America give out

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Speaker 1: the Rookie of the Year award. Baker Mayfield had won

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Speaker 1: the overall Rookie of the Year award, Barkley won the

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Speaker 1: Offensive Kie the award for the Pro Football Writers. So

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Speaker 1: you read a Rookie of the Year award every single

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Speaker 1: day and you're trying to make sense of it. So

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Speaker 1: it's important to note NFL Honors Saturday night, those are

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Speaker 1: the true awards recognized by the league, by the way,

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Speaker 1: because the league hands out the trophies. Correct, correct, I'll

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Speaker 1: go with that. But but the word true kind of

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Speaker 1: rankles me. I'm sorry, it just does. Okay, So here's

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Speaker 1: my question. It is it is It is the NFL

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Speaker 1: Honors Rookie of the Year award, the Associated Press Rookie

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Speaker 1: of the your award to say it is the true

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Speaker 1: Uh that that just it the fames the rest of

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Speaker 1: the awards and the Pro Football Writers Association of America

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Speaker 1: award is a legit award that doesn't deserve to be

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Speaker 1: demeaned by you because it wasn't handed out on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Just once again, I'm just laying out the logistics for example,

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Speaker 1: the PEPSI Rookie the Year award is a fan vote.

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Speaker 1: That is correct, what award in any professional sport is

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Speaker 1: given out based on the fan froom. Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 1: fan vote, much like an All Star vote would be.

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Speaker 1: So so to be on a with you. If I

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't put the Pro Football Writers Association Award even

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Speaker 1: as as somebody who says, hey, what has more validity? Well,

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Speaker 1: but remember, Barkley didn't win that award. I'm just understand that.

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Speaker 1: But well, I don't want you to get all this

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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with Barkley. Well know, this has

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Speaker 1: to do with the validity of the award, Okay, but

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Speaker 1: the fact that it didn't go to a giant I

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Speaker 1: Just make it sure that the Profect Writers said that

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Speaker 1: Mayfield was the NFL Rokie of the Year and Barkley

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Speaker 1: was the offensive and they have two different classes. And

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Speaker 1: then I forget who they named defensive. I forget who

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Speaker 1: Darius Leonard anyway. Uh, just as a matter of bookkeeping, folks, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Beckham and Lawrence Taylor are the only two Giants to

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Speaker 1: And according to Lance, that's the true award, not according

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Speaker 1: to me, according to the rest of the according to

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Speaker 1: that is the award. It doesn't say true award on

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Speaker 1: Were true the NFL, though, That's what matters that. I'm

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Speaker 1: the first one of the PEPSI. By the way, NFL

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Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year Award. On our ease, that was

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Speaker 1: the first year they did it. Well, it's a relatively

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Speaker 1: on that. The Pro Football Writers once been around a

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Speaker 1: long long time, so has the Associated Press one. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The other award that is defunct is the one given

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Speaker 1: by u p I. The United presid International was a

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Speaker 1: wire service for you film folks out there who don't remember.

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Speaker 1: The Associated Press and United pressI International were the two

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Speaker 1: by syndication through all of the various media around the world.

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Speaker 1: U p I has since I don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: limited basis in the US, mostly overseas. It's an international

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Speaker 1: award many many years ago, and as I said, they

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Speaker 1: events much like the Associated Press. Date anyway, going back

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Speaker 1: into the mid seventies, offensive lineman John Hicks, who was

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Speaker 1: He was the NFC Offensive Rookie of the Year. They

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Speaker 1: it's Hicks and Shocky who have won Lesser Rookie of

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Speaker 1: it should never be ignored ever. And that's why I'm

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Speaker 1: here to represent those Absolutely, You're here to balance out

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Speaker 1: I am. Okay, so Jeff gets thrown into your category.

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Speaker 1: Then we have his knowledge of Giants history, I believe

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Speaker 1: only begins in the two thousands. Well, but his knowledge

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Speaker 1: The encouraging news for say Kwon Barkley is the fact

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Speaker 1: I think Quentin Elson and Bradley Chubb absolutely should have

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Speaker 1: looks like you were right. I was not a Baker

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Speaker 1: just been phenomenal. I think he's gonna be a big

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Speaker 1: difference maker in this game. They're not to be able

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Speaker 1: to deal with him. And then I think, quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: the other things you mentioned about the Rams defensive line.

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Speaker 1: For me, You know, Brady hasn't been sacked once during

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Speaker 1: this playoff. R Okay, not once. The Rams may get two,

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Speaker 1: but if they get two sacks and only hit them

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Speaker 1: five or six times, it doesn't mean anything. Remember when

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Speaker 1: the Giants played Brady in the Super Bowl and they

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Speaker 1: hit him like thirteen times. Okay, we're impactful. That's that's

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Speaker 1: the big number. It's not did you get a sack,

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Speaker 1: did you get two sacks or three sacks? But you

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Speaker 1: only hit them five times? No, no, if you sack

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Speaker 1: them only four times, let's say, but you hit him

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Speaker 1: thirteen times, that's the number. And I don't see the

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Speaker 1: rams getting there. I'll give you a perfect example outside

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Speaker 1: of the Giant Super Bowl. The year that the Patriots

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Speaker 1: did not make it to the Super Bowl, and I

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Speaker 1: basically should clarify this because it's very rare that that happens.

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Speaker 1: But do they ever not making the a f C

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Speaker 1: Championship Game? The year is escaping me right now. It

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Speaker 1: was when they went to Denver, Stephen Giskowski missed the

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Speaker 1: extra point and then they had to go for two

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Speaker 1: at the end of the game. If you remember Denver,

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Speaker 1: I went back because I was talking about this on

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Speaker 1: my series show. Do you know that the Broncos in

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Speaker 1: that game recorded seventeen quarterback hits. That's quarterback hits. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's more than I think the Giants had in any

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Speaker 1: of the Super Bowls. So once again, the reason I'm

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Speaker 1: bringing that up is we're talking about what do you

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Speaker 1: have to do to get to the Patriots and wear

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Speaker 1: them down? You have to get to the quarterback and Paul,

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Speaker 1: how many times do we say that every week when

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Speaker 1: we talk about a Giants game. It's easier said than done, though,

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Speaker 1: so you know, yeah, the Rams are gonna go in.

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Speaker 1: Wade Phillips is talking to his defense all weekend saying

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Speaker 1: and Dominican Sue Michael Brocker's, Aaron Donald, guys got to

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Speaker 1: win your individual battles. Or when Aaron Donald is double

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Speaker 1: team Brocker's and sue, we expected to get to the quarterback? Okay,

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Speaker 1: but go ahead and execute. Let's say all day, I

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Speaker 1: tell you got this really simple, and I've been saying

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Speaker 1: this since back in the mid eighties. I was only

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Speaker 1: a few years on the beat and every by the

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Speaker 1: way two fifteen season, Dave our producer, just looked it up.

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Speaker 1: So is the a f C Championship game following the

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Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen season Broncos one by two points. I

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Speaker 1: learned very quickly from watching Bill Parcels in my first

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Speaker 1: few years on the beat, watching him and Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1: and Ron Earhart as the offensive coordinator on that team.

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Speaker 1: I learned very very quickly within about three years that

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Speaker 1: any coordinator, any head coach and a coordinator, who is

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Speaker 1: any good of this job if he's if he's you know,

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Speaker 1: if he's good, it's not to be great. He can

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Speaker 1: just be good. Even he can figure out the perfect

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Speaker 1: blueprint to beat you, that's not the problem. The problem

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Speaker 1: is how does he get his pieces to get those

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Speaker 1: things done? Because there were many times he could say, well,

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Speaker 1: this is what we gotta do X, Y and Z

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Speaker 1: to beat that team, But we a couple of guys

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Speaker 1: heard on the line. We got an injured wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: we got a running back who suspended. We never had

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Speaker 1: a tight end who could do that. So even though

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Speaker 1: I know what three things need to be done to

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Speaker 1: beat you, I don't have the roster that's capable of

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Speaker 1: doing those three things on Sunday. So how can I

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Speaker 1: scheme to give my guys a chance to get as

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Speaker 1: much of those things done as possible so that I'm

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Speaker 1: giving them the best chance to win, and then it's

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Speaker 1: up to them to execute and fulfill the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: max out your winning potential. That's really what the whole

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Speaker 1: equation is. In the National Football League, every single Sunday.

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Speaker 1: The blueprint to beat a team for the good coaches.

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the inexperienced guys or the guys

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Speaker 1: who just don't really have a concept and not they're

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Speaker 1: not really good at coaches that we've had some of

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Speaker 1: those in the league over the years. I'm not run

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Speaker 1: insult anybody, but the good head coaches, they can build

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Speaker 1: you the proper blueprint. That's not the hard part. The

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Speaker 1: hard part is how do you get your pegs to

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Speaker 1: fit into those holes to give those guys a chance?

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Speaker 1: And then will they execute it? So there are a

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Speaker 1: couple of parts to that, but the blueprint itself is

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Speaker 1: the easiest part for any good coach or any good coordinator.

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Speaker 1: The blueprints not hard, that's pretty easy. Just goes hand

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Speaker 1: in hand with the execution. So we we know how

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Speaker 1: to beat the Patriots. But good luck getting your personnel

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Speaker 1: to get home all the time. That's my biggot point. Now,

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Speaker 1: there are two things that concerned me about the Rams,

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Speaker 1: James White and who matches up with him in terms

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Speaker 1: of the linebacking corps, because the Patriots are going to

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Speaker 1: utilize him out of the back field, just like Alvin

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Speaker 1: Kamara and what he did against the middle of the

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Speaker 1: Rams defense. So that's one concern, and then the other

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Speaker 1: concern is it was open season. Now, the Rams I

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Speaker 1: don't think are equivalent to the Kansas City defense, but

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Speaker 1: it was open season for New England right over the

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Speaker 1: middle for Tom Brady, Chris Hogan slash Julian Edelman, which

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Speaker 1: Brady obviously leans on heavily. Who's gonna stop those guys?

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Speaker 1: And if they got to bring LaMarcus Joiner, who's played

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Speaker 1: corner slash safety, they gotta bring him up at the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Paul, I'm a bit concerned about the

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Speaker 1: Rams again because then that exposes them on the back end.

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Speaker 1: So the James White dynamic, the Hogan slash Edelman dynamic

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. If the Rams can't

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Speaker 1: show up those issues, it could be a very long

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Speaker 1: evening for that defense. Well, and let's not forget that

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Speaker 1: from the Patriots perspective, their defense is going to be

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Speaker 1: able to show a lot of things to Golf and

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Speaker 1: McVeigh that will trick them and fool them. And as

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Speaker 1: we have discussed many times, and John and I even

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Speaker 1: talked about it on the program, I think it was

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Speaker 1: last week when Jonathan Cassie has got here and told

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Speaker 1: us when he was with the Patriots and he had

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Speaker 1: joined that locker room and said, okay, where's the playbook

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Speaker 1: I gotta study? And they said, oh no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: there's no season long playbook. We get a different one

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Speaker 1: every week. And I think it was John who called

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Speaker 1: Belichick the chameleon or was it you? No, it probably

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Speaker 1: was in was John said he's a chameleon coach in

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Speaker 1: that and because I was saying, well, he can beat

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Speaker 1: you any one of a number of ways. Whatever style

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Speaker 1: you want to play, he'll do it. When they say

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Speaker 1: styles make fights, styles make football games too. But you

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Speaker 1: can pick whatever tempo and whatever style you want to play,

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Speaker 1: Belichick can adapt to it. So yeah, when John said

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Speaker 1: he's a chameleon coach, John was right, that's wy I

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Speaker 1: like the term. Well, we've seen games where he'll put

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Speaker 1: the ball in Brady's hands fifty times, or they may

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Speaker 1: run it fifty times. I mean it could fluctuate and

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Speaker 1: then by the way, he'll change it at halftime exactly.

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Speaker 1: And that's what football is about. It's about a game

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Speaker 1: of adjustments. And you can't fault the Patriots because more

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Speaker 1: often than not, those adjustments have been effective. We want

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Speaker 1: Easing Giants prizes, your thoughts on Super Bowl fifty three

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Speaker 1: Giants offseason plans, as well as a Kwan Barkley winning

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Speaker 1: the PEPSI Rookie of the Year Award two zero one

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Speaker 1: five one three. Let's open up the phone lines. Doug

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Speaker 1: is in Rochester. He gets us going on Thursday's edition

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Speaker 1: a Big Blue kick Off Live. What's happening, Doug? Hey,

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Speaker 1: are you guys doing? H wow? Well, please call again

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Speaker 1: soon work and I'm now I'll be onready talk to

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Speaker 1: you guys. Let's let's congratulate Mr Barkley on this PEPSI award.

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Speaker 1: I think that uh the ap award, and I think

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Speaker 1: you're just gonna get better and better. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: it's easy to see he's got a lot of ops

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Speaker 1: now he's just got to fulfill it. Yeah. I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to say about the Super Bowl one quick comment.

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Speaker 1: The Rams as they can get the break you like

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Speaker 1: you said, and stop that middle paths to I think

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Speaker 1: that's how the Pats been winning these games over the

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Speaker 1: middle and Brady just sitting back in the pocket and

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Speaker 1: they can stop that. They didn't got a get camp

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Speaker 1: to win. So yeah, you want Brady to throw as

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Speaker 1: many of those balls outside the numbers as possible because

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Speaker 1: in the interior of the field him and Gronk and

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Speaker 1: Edelman are just too deadly Hogan can do. Holgan is

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Speaker 1: the guy to watch out for. Absolutely. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to. I want to actually brought John's little little

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Speaker 1: picksure they have do they have two in the second

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Speaker 1: round or not? One of the first, one on the second,

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Speaker 1: none in the third, and then we think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: wind up having three in the fourth because they got

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Speaker 1: one in in a trade. And then also they think

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Speaker 1: they're going to get a compensatory. So that's how it

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Speaker 1: shakes down in the first four rounds. Do you guys

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Speaker 1: agree that um, the pass rusher, the office of right cackle,

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Speaker 1: and free safety are the most positions that dressed right

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Speaker 1: off the top? I think those three are excellent targets.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would definitely put him in the top

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Speaker 1: five a priority list. But let's see what happens a

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Speaker 1: free agency to though in offense, which comes from and

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Speaker 1: I think you could just say defensive back because by

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Speaker 1: all means they could use another cover corner as much

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Speaker 1: as as much as they could use a free safety.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Well, I think and again

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Speaker 1: this is where we're getting into these morphing positions of

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Speaker 1: the current NFL, because when you talk about corner, you're

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Speaker 1: talking nickel corner or border corner. You just say cornerback

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Speaker 1: because those are different positions. But you you need a both,

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Speaker 1: uh with with with with with What I'm saying is

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Speaker 1: they need a bona fide edge rusher. That new term

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Speaker 1: is coming into into vogue now in the NFL. Edge rusher.

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Speaker 1: It's like a new position. All it really is is

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Speaker 1: either a pass rushing defensive end or a pass rushing

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Speaker 1: outside linebacker. They call him now just an edge rusher.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like, my friend, that you're a little bit

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Speaker 1: on the older side like I am. You probably remember

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Speaker 1: when wide receivers were called flankers and split ends. Now

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Speaker 1: they just call them wide receivers have because the day

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Speaker 1: day flanker have the flanker on the line and a

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Speaker 1: white out. You remember, I know what you're saying that

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Speaker 1: the guy from Denver, the linebacker. He's a good as apple.

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Speaker 1: I can't take his name. The lineback von Miller. Von Miller. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: von Miller is a perfect example what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Linebacker pass right, just just call him an edge guy.

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Speaker 1: So I agree with you. I think they do need

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Speaker 1: offensive tackle, they need edge rusher, they need defensive back.

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Speaker 1: Quite frankly, you know they need a free safety, sure,

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Speaker 1: but they also need a cover corner. I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's anything about that too. Okay, well, Alan Paul, I

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Speaker 1: want to leave with this, and uh, somethings that take

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Speaker 1: you about the Giants office and of next year, like

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Speaker 1: fifth in the nfls and you know they bounced back

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Speaker 1: to three maybe seven, and then the defense and fifteen,

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Speaker 1: they may go up to third team they bound. But

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Speaker 1: the bottom line the offices of the fifth in NFL

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Speaker 1: and the defense and they have the decent special team.

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Speaker 1: Can you see them win in the NFC eat and

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Speaker 1: maybe a first round buy in the playoffs? Wow, you're

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Speaker 1: projecting really far ahead, aren't you. Yeah, I'm just I'm

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Speaker 1: just that happens. What do you guys think? I think

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00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: it's realistic to expect that they could. I think it's

640
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: realistic that they could be a playoff team with those

641
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: kinds of results. But you don't know exactly where the

642
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: rest of the division's gonna land right now. But they

643
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: certainly should be in the playoff conversation. If they're in

644
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: the top fifteen defensively and offensively and special teams, why

645
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't they be heavily in the playoff conversation. Well, that

646
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: would be an indication of a consistent team. So I'm

647
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: an agreement with you. I think it would certainly put

648
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: them in the conversation for the postseason. We've seen some

649
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: unique circumstances where you can have no doubt, unbelievable rankings

650
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: and it doesn't necessarily work out because you play a

651
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: lot of close games. But yeah, those would be excellent

652
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: numbers to strive for and if they are achieved, Yeah,

653
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: I definitely put them in the playoff conversation. I say

654
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: this all the time. The NFC East, it's such a

655
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: merry go round. You never know what you're really gonna

656
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: need to win this division because nobody has been able

657
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: to duplicate quite often one year after the other. I

658
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: mean the closest is the Cowboys. They've won three division

659
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: titles in five years. Nobody's went back to back titles

660
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: since the Eagles in the early two thousand's. So anybody

661
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: going in to two thousand nineteen, no matter what shape

662
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: your roster is in Paul, you figure, hey, it's a

663
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: wide open door again. The NFC East, we got a

664
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: legitimate shot. And by the way, how has the NFC

665
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: Eastern Division title worked out for those teams? To be

666
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: quite frank with you, cowboys haven't got to the super

667
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: Bowl since how long? Well, it's been certainly some time. Okay,

668
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: So when those division titles meant nothing, you just being

669
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 1: just getting in. We have learned over the last many

670
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: years that just getting in as a wild card is

671
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: what it's all about. You know, doesn't really matter if

672
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: you win it out. Now it does matter at her

673
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: to try to get to buy I'll give you that.

674
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 1: I do think that the BIO is significant in recent

675
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: history because there haven't been many wild card teams that

676
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: have gone on great runs, right, I mean, we've had

677
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: the top four seeds in this year and make it

678
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: to the conference champion. But but winning your division and

679
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: then having to play the first round game, I'm not

680
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: so sure that there's a whole lot of edge to that,

681
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: and I don't know what the results say. Don't call

682
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: me up now or get me on Twitter and say, oh,

683
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: these are the one loss records of the teams who

684
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: have had to play first round games. But to me,

685
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: as if I were a coach, the by is worth

686
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: a lot. To me, I don't know that having to

687
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: play a first round home game as a division winner

688
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: is necessarily something to throw a pizza party about. Well,

689
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: I don't know the numbers off the top of my

690
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: head as well, so it's hard for me to counter.

691
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: I will say this, you win the division, you're guaranteed

692
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: to go to the playoffs, so and that's great. What

693
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: if you're gonna say to me, you know, what's the

694
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: difference between you being a wild card team and you

695
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: being a division winner that has to play a first

696
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: round game. In some cases, that home field advantage can

697
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: be a big deal, but in a lot of cases

698
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: it's not that big a deal. It's still ultimately about

699
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: the matchups. It's about what team you're playing and how

700
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: they match up against you, more than the home field advantage.

701
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 1: But I think any team will tell you the goal

702
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: going into a season, as you want to win your division,

703
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: because then because you don't have to worry about looking

704
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: at the scoreboard, you don't have to worry about or whatever.

705
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: So to me, you go in, you try to win

706
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: the division. It's been a wide open conference, been a

707
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: wide open division, specifically in the NFC East. And there's

708
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: no reason why all four teams won't feel at least

709
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: optimistic heading into two thousand nineteen, regardless of the question marks.

710
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: I think so. Just remember the Giant's last two trophies

711
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: were one as wild cards. Well one year they won

712
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: the division two thousand eleven. They wanted to, Yeah, but

713
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: they had, they had, they had to play the wild

714
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: card game. Yeah, they had to play the wild card.

715
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: But they did win the division at two thousand eleven,

716
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: correct account, they had that they had, they started to

717
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: play the wild card cot game. Again. You gotta play

718
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: in that wild card game, that wild card weekend. You

719
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: don't get to buy. And they twice Coughlin's teams did it,

720
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: so God bless them. Well, but what I'm saying is

721
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: I'd rather avoid that if I could. In recent history though,

722
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: and I don't know the time I had. I think

723
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: it's either the last five or the last six years.

724
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: No wild card team has gone the Super Bowl, have

725
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: no even made it to the conference championship game. So

726
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: when you take that into consideration, it's heavily favored in

727
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: terms of teams that win the division to get to

728
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: buy well. That's but that was my point. To me,

729
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: the bye week is a very very big enchilada. I

730
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: don't know that winning a division and having to play

731
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: the wild card game, to me is such a terrific advantage.

732
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying in terms of the value winning

733
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: the division is nice. But getting the by now, that's

734
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: something to be really happy about. Two zero one four

735
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: or five one three. Let's go to Don, who is

736
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: in Texas. He joins us on Thursday's edition of Big

737
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: Blue Kick Off Live. What's happening, Don? Hey? How you

738
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: doing Lance with Dot? All right, we'll tell you alright, alright, guys,

739
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over a couple of points and then

740
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna lead to a couple of questions. But first,

741
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: you're right, Lands, I agree with you about the Patriots.

742
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: I I see the Patriots blowing the Rams out in

743
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Defensively, the Rams are just a mess.

744
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: They're not going to be able to get to him

745
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: and the Patriots just schematically coaching defense. They're going to

746
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: confuse Golf the way the Bears did a couple of

747
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: weeks ago. I just see Golf having a horrible game,

748
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: and I see Brady just to I don't see the

749
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: Patriots losing two Super Bowls in a row. First, on

750
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: that note, Second, the other thing I want to touch

751
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 1: on is um I've been hearing a lot of talk

752
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: between the Haskins and what we're going to do in

753
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: the draft, and I called a couple of weeks ago,

754
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: I spoke to pe Dot. He knows what I think

755
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: of Haskins. I I think the world of this guy.

756
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: There's a couple of things on why I feel that.

757
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: There's other things I'm gonna add on there, and if

758
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: he's there at six, it's a no brainer you take them.

759
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: I think people under my how hard it was for

760
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: that Ohio State program to play with the distractions that

761
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: were going on with Urban Meyer, and the one thing

762
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: that was a rock through all of that was Haskins.

763
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: He elevated his game of play, he elevated this team.

764
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: He kept it together. Of course, their their standing coach.

765
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: That a lot to do with that Haskins has got

766
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: the it factor. This guy can ball, which is why

767
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: I still feel Haskins at six. If he's there, it's

768
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: a no brainer. The other things I wanted to ask

769
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: about was, um, I have a couple of bold predictions,

770
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: and it's going to lead to a question on how

771
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: what percentage do you think that the likelihood of this

772
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: is going to happen? One bold prediction one, I think

773
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: Landon Collins is going to get traded. I really see

774
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: him going to the Chiefs either second or third round,

775
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: and I see possibly case Keenum ending ending up with

776
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: the Giants. What percentage do you guys think that's going

777
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: to happen? Interesting bold predictions, I guess is your point

778
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: about Landed Collins going to the Chiefs just out of

779
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: curiosity simply because Spaggs is now the defensive coordinator? Is

780
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: that why? Bingo bingo? Remember, I mean he's not the

781
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: GM though in fairness, absolutely so absolutely. The other thing

782
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: you've got to figure out is how's that going to happen.

783
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: Is that going to happen through some type of tagging

784
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: and then trading him, or is that going to happen

785
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: where by the Giants just let him walk any signs

786
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. I mean, that's right, Dot, which was

787
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: going to lead to my last question too, but go ahead.

788
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to interrupting. No, you're not interrupting, but but

789
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: that that kind of has to be settled before you

790
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: even contemplate your first question, doesn't it. Yeah, which was

791
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: going to go to my next question. Go ahead about

792
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: that fish out of my last My last question, p Dot,

793
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: how does like, once the off season is over for

794
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: the Giants, what is the chain of events that happens?

795
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 1: Are the staffs still there because you know, for the fans,

796
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: we have no idea what goes on in the building.

797
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: So are they still doing meetings? Do they do finances?

798
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: Do they look at their own players budgets? Look who's

799
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: going to be released captain? And then at what point

800
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: do they start going like full tune for the draft?

801
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: Well based on what Yeah, Dave Gettleman obviously who took

802
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: over this past year, Uh, you know, obviously my track

803
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: record is more historic. I'm trying to feel my way

804
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: through some of Dave's uh new fangled ideas as well,

805
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: because he certainly tweaked some things to his liking. Now

806
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: that he's the Giants GM what what what? What I

807
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: can glean from what he has told us is that

808
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: he was gonna dig really deep into his own players

809
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 1: for several weeks after the season was over, by he said,

810
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: looking at tape till my eyes bleed. Okay. That was

811
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: gonna be following a week of evaluations where he was

812
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: going to get all the files from the coaches, the

813
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: position coaches, and the head coach as to how they

814
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: graded their own players. Okay, so I guess in chronological order,

815
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: Dave was gonna start looking at film. Then by the

816
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: end of that first week he was going to get

817
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: the avowals from the coaching staff. Then he was going

818
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: to continue to look at film and however long that

819
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: was gonna take. His next order of business, as he explained,

820
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: it was going to be delving into free agency and

821
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: figuring out, Okay, where are finances, who do we going

822
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: to target to resign, what kind of numbers are we

823
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: talking about, and how big a player are we going

824
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: to be in free agency? And who do we think

825
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: we can afford and who do we want to target.

826
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: That was gonna be the next part of what he

827
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: was gonna do. He had said to us that it

828
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: would not probably be until February when he personally started

829
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: to really dig into draft stuff because he had to

830
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: deal with getting all the preparations for free agency out

831
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: of the way first. And I can tell you that

832
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: the Giants scouts, uh, they already came in to do

833
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: their first round of concert meetings to figure out from

834
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: a preliminary perspective what they were going to do at

835
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl Week and Shrine Week and what they're going

836
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: to do as they go to Pro days and combines.

837
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: They've already had their first preliminary big time draft meeting

838
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: with the personnel department again day. How many of those

839
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: before they even hit address free agencies? How many of

840
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: those do they go? Well? There they they they talk

841
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: all the time. But the Scouts as a whole did

842
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: have like their own one week brainstorming session before they

843
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: sent up before they sent them out to the All

844
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: Star Games. Yeah, things are done simultaneously. I think it's

845
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: also important to me. Yeah. Ever, no one ever, no

846
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: one hold on. Well, I don't know if you wanted

847
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: to follow up, I was gonna say that the program,

848
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: the point is and and he's right about that. Nobody

849
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: ever just closes the door completely. On one subject and

850
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: says I'm not going to touch it at all. Obviously,

851
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: there were things fluid and things are always in motion.

852
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: But in terms of the emphasis, I think I've given

853
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: you a pretty good chronology as to how it was

854
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: gonna work. The scouts have been doing all the homework

855
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: out the course of the college season, and then they're

856
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: going to provide their perspective. Now I think that the

857
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: season is over, the actual assistant positional coaches have more

858
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: time to delve in and look at some of the

859
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: rookie class that the GM and the scouts want them

860
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: to take a look at. During the regular season, Offensive coordinators,

861
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: linebacker coaches don't have the time to start looking at

862
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: the college class. Let's let's be realistic here. They're focused

863
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: on the matchups coming up every single weekend, and and

864
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: let's not forget too the the other thing that that

865
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: has to be done here. Okay, Um, you've also got

866
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of scouts who are now going to backtrack

867
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: and do double checks on some of the guys that

868
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: they may be thought they had an opinion on, but

869
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: maybe after their week long brainstorming session, there were some

870
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: questions that either they didn't have an answer to or

871
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: they wanted to go back and reviews it. Okay, so

872
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: now what happens. They go, they go to the All

873
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: Star Game, they go to the Shrine Game, they go

874
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl. Now it's like, okay, you know what,

875
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: Now here's my list of double checks. Now this week,

876
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: I gotta go back and I gotta double check on

877
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: those X number of guys that you know what a

878
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: little question mark came up about. So double checks are

879
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: also in play too. So it's not like once a

880
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: scout looks at a player, he puts him away and

881
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: that's it. Oh I think I know what he is.

882
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: That's it. I'm done with it. I'm finished. I'm wiping

883
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: my hands up his file. That's not the case. Every

884
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: file is still alive, and guys are always going back

885
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: to have to revisit those those files. Well, and then

886
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: players are gonna have individual workouts where some of the

887
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: positional coaches, members of the front office are gonna actually

888
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: watch the workout, so an opinion may change of a player.

889
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: You're also going to have the interviews at the combine

890
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: that's going to influence it. But in terms of chronological order,

891
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: free agency comes first, So they have to make sure

892
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: they get all their evaluations done of the free agent

893
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: market before they even start fully delving into the draft,

894
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: because they'll have time to do that once free agency dies.

895
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: And that's why these personnel departments, these front officers have

896
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: a pro personnel department and a college personnel department play revaluation,

897
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, um, because there's so much work to be done,

898
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: you really have to kind of shelve it out two

899
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: different guys and say, okay, look, Pro personnel department, you guys,

900
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, deal with the free agency stuff. We gotta

901
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: deal with free agents coming up in middle of March,

902
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: and just go whole harder than into that. At some

903
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: point in time, you know, there'll be a meeting of

904
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: the minds with everybody when Dave Gentleman has to mess

905
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: all this stuff together like a meat loaf. Okay, that's

906
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: just the way it's gonna be. But at this particular time, yeah,

907
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: that Pro personnel department is is going nuts, continuing to

908
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: evaluate every piece of film they have and going over

909
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: it and over and over it again, trying to figure

910
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: out also, by the way, having a mock of who

911
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: they think is not going to be resigned by their

912
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: current teams around the league. You know, we sit here

913
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: and we start talking about guys who whose contracts are up,

914
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: who may be potential free agents, and say, okay, this

915
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: could be a big linebacker pool, or this could be

916
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: a big defensive end pool. Well, quite frankly, the Giants

917
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: have people in pro personnel just like every team does,

918
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: and they're doing the same thing, and they're saying, Okay, well,

919
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: let's see. I don't think he's gonna be resigned. I

920
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: think he's gonna get tagged. I think, you know, And

921
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: and they're will have a board just like they do

922
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 1: in the draft. You they do. There's a free agent

923
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: board just like a draft board. And you have to

924
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: because to your point, what's gonna happen is, I've said

925
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: this on the program tons of times there's gonna be

926
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: that period of time before you can officially sign a

927
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: contract pall where guys are gonna re up with their

928
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: own teams and they're not even gonna hit the market.

929
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: Mancho eleventh, by the way, is the date whereby teams

930
00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: can legally talk to agents about ending free agents. Free

931
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: agency begins March, so within that period of time, you're

932
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: gonna see deals come to fruition, and even before that,

933
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 1: when teams have an opportunity to negotiate with their own players,

934
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: just like Bobby Massey for example. Recently the Bears offensive

935
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: lineman he gave was given a four year extension, so

936
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: you know, there's no chance of him now being able

937
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: to test the market because he's already been locked up.

938
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: Two zero one four or five one three. Let's go

939
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: to Nigel in Maryland. Nigel, welcome to the program. What

940
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: do you have for us, gentlemen? Gentlemen, I have an

941
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: opinion and I have two questions to you guys. Okay,

942
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: the first thing is um one Snacks was traded, which

943
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: basically amounted to a youth movement salary dump move. Uh.

944
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: Focus kind of looked at people started looking at O

945
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: V and Jack Rabbit since they were both uh two

946
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: big ticket items on the same side of the ball

947
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: that were signed by the previous regime, to see if

948
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: the same thing would happen with them. I mean, it's

949
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: still early. Anything is possible. But the clamor for that,

950
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: the flip side to that is, Okay, you get rid

951
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: of those guys, you still have to replace those guys.

952
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: So it's almost like Okay, let's get rid of him

953
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: and say salary. But I'm kind of the mindset is like, well, yeah,

954
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: I understand, you know v hasn't you know, he has

955
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: had injuries and the availability issue and things like that,

956
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: and Jack Rabbit hasn't been able to duplicate his twenty

957
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: sixteen performance. But I mean, those guys are still the

958
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: best that you have, and if you let them go,

959
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: you're in the worst position that you are and you're

960
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: still going to have to overpay if you go the

961
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: free agent route. So I'm kind of the mindset to

962
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: fortify what we have and then go from there. You

963
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: raised a million dollar question because you have to understand

964
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: that that will be a hole to fill, as you said,

965
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: if you get rid of those guys. So what you

966
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: have to determine is what are the odds if you

967
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: get rid of a guy like that that you will

968
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: be able to replace him as a satisfactory nature by

969
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: the pool that's going to be available to you, either

970
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: through free agency in the draft, and the draft is

971
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: unknown at that point because if you let him go

972
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: early in the free agency period, you don't know how

973
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: the draft is gonna play outs. And the other thing

974
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: you gotta do is once you determine whether or not

975
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: you really want the guy back, now you have to

976
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: figure out, okay, do we want him back, but we'd

977
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: like to redo his deal, And then you've got to

978
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: get cooperation from a player as to whether or not

979
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: he's willing to do that. So you know, it's not

980
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: necessarily just as easy as do I want the guy back?

981
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: It's do I want the guy back? And can we

982
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: come to an accord on what his numbers need to be? Well,

983
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: and relative to your point, Nigel, I think it's important

984
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: to understand, Yes, they moved on from Snacks and everybody

985
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: treated it like it was a sign that they're tweaking

986
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: the roster rebuilding. However, terminology you want to utilize at

987
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: the bottom line is they had Dalvin, Tomlinson and b

988
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: J Hill on the roster at the time, and they

989
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: felt as if they had some young options who with

990
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: more playing time, can continue to thrive, been developed and

991
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: put them in a good position to be mainstays on

992
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: the defensive line. Coming into two thousand nineteen with Jenkins

993
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: and Vernon, I would say, right now, I don't think

994
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: the Giants are in the same luxury position where they

995
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: know for a fact that they have younger options that

996
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: can easily come in fill the void and be potential

997
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: starters game in and game out. So it's a little

998
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: bit different. And you did hit on this the dynamics

999
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: between replacing Jenkins at Vernon versus the position they were

1000
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: in when they decided to part ways with Snacks, And

1001
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: you gotta have plan be laid out before you all

1002
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, decide to enforce Plan A.

1003
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: And it's a guess a game if you don't have

1004
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: a free agent in line, and you also don't know

1005
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: how the draft is gonna come out to play. By

1006
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: the way, the franchise tag deadline for teams to tag

1007
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: players this year is Watch fifth. Think we've said that before.

1008
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: Watch fifth is the day for tagging guys. So that's

1009
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: something certainly that could be in play for Land and

1010
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: Come and then you usually have until about the middle

1011
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: of July to work out a long term deal once

1012
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: you hit them with the tag. Did you have another

1013
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: point in Nigel, Yeah, there's two quick questions. I'm gonna

1014
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: give you guys each a GM hat. So it's gonna

1015
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: be Dot Schedelman and Land Scaleleman for this one. Oh

1016
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: sounds good. I don't want the pressure. Okay, So you're

1017
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: on the clock here at six. You got Haskins is

1018
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: still on the board. Tharilla still on the board. Jump

1019
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: died from Clemson. Yeah, defensive Jonah Williams, the offensive tackle

1020
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: from Alabama's on the board. Who do you pick? That's

1021
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: that's pick. That's the question. Number one and number two.

1022
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: You still got your GM hats on three top priorities

1023
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: you addressed during the off season for the g man.

1024
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: And thanks a lot for taking my call. All right, Nigel,

1025
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. Thank you. Thanks the way it

1026
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: is well, I mean, I'm taking Ferrell's hands down, I'm

1027
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: taking the defenseman. Yeah, I was gonna say I was

1028
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: gonna lean towards defense, whether it be Ferreal, whether it

1029
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: be you know, going in the direction of Clemson. I

1030
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 1: think right now those are the two most impactful players

1031
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: that you're looking at. I think the jury is still

1032
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: out with respect to the quarterback position. I think the

1033
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: jury is still out with respect to the offensive line position.

1034
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: And I think that the Giants need a pass rusher

1035
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,959
Speaker 1: to come in and compliment Vernon. So to me, it's

1036
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: a need fill. But it's also a good value film.

1037
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: I think he could be. I saw enough of Clemson

1038
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: this year without getting into his cut ups, to think

1039
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: he could be a double duch SAT guy. I think.

1040
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: I think I think he's He's maybe not quite what

1041
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: Chubb was coming out last year. Chubb was a real

1042
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: bonified blue chipper. I don't think he's quite there, but

1043
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: I think he's very close. He's a red chipper. How

1044
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 1: about that? Yeah, you know, And I think it's six.

1045
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: That's good value. I would agree with you. And it's

1046
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: a need as you said as well, and I think

1047
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: you gotta weigh both of them. You don't stretch it

1048
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 1: for a need, but I think you don't value are

1049
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: in line with one another. As far as priorities, pass rush,

1050
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: I would put probably his number one. In terms of

1051
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: the off season, I put free safety is number two,

1052
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: and I put right side of the offensive line is three.

1053
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: Those would be to me my top three priorities if

1054
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: you're the Giants right now, and the combination of free

1055
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: agency and the draft of necessarily looking at it separately,

1056
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: edge rusher, right tackle, and just defensive back, because I

1057
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: think equally they need another cover corner as much as

1058
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: they need a free safety well, with Eli Apple out

1059
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: of the picture, some younger options. But I also think

1060
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: you know who is going to be either next to

1061
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: land In Collins or who may have to replace Landed Collins.

1062
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: I know we're speculating. That's why it's a ted early

1063
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: to say, well, it is a ted early, but as

1064
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: it stands right now, you may have two question marks.

1065
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: That's possible. So two question marks that safety to me

1066
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: is much more of a piety than the right side

1067
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: of the offensive. It's possible. I'm I can't and I'm

1068
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: just going based on the unknown of right now. You know,

1069
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: he asked, he's asking us today. That's where I'm going today.

1070
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: But certainly I I could understand it, and this is

1071
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: all fluid. I would say this, though, I'm gonna go

1072
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: one step further. You asked me about who I would

1073
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: take six given those three players. So I'm gonna take

1074
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: the Clemson defensive end at six, and uh, in all likelihood,

1075
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: based on everything that I've seen from people I've talked to,

1076
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: they'll be that plug in play offensive tackle at the

1077
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: top of the second round. So in all likelihood, that's

1078
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna wind up taking the

1079
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: defensive end in round one. I'm taking the right tackle

1080
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: in all likelihood at the top of the second round,

1081
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 1: and I am trading up, Okay, trading up, trading down.

1082
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how a gedtleman's gonna do it. I'm

1083
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: gonna make sure I get a third pick in the

1084
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: top seventy five picks in this draft. I was telling

1085
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: people top one, I'm going higher than that now if

1086
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: I can get If I can get three picks in

1087
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: the top seventy five, that would be my goal because

1088
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: it would change my entire draft strategy as to how

1089
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: I go about it, because I we we've already indicated

1090
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: the places of need I need. I need three picks

1091
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: so that I can address as many of those spots

1092
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: as possible. Well, the giants are gonna have the volume

1093
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: of picks, and I think somebody called up on a

1094
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: previous show and said, you know, what's the likelihood of

1095
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: them utilize all their picks? And to me, it's slim

1096
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: because I just don't see everybody making the roster. So

1097
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: what's the pertract You might as well package two picks

1098
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: and see if you can move up. I think that,

1099
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: to me is the smart plan plus. So let's not

1100
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: forget Sam bal counts to me as part of this

1101
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: year's draft class, correct, because he was a red shirt

1102
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: player last year, taking in the supplemental draft. So no

1103
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: matter how you play at the mathematics, you've already had

1104
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: one member of the two thousand nineteen draft class on

1105
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: your roster. Already, Sam Beal to me is going to

1106
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: count towards two thousand nineteen. I know logistically it may

1107
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: not be the case, but in my mind, Bill's part

1108
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: of the two thousand nineteen drafts So you have to already,

1109
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: which by the way, does lead to your wanting a

1110
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: safety more than a corner because you already have. And

1111
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: I get that, But what do we know? You know,

1112
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: one of us? Do we the one of us know

1113
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: not only how well he's going to do as a rookie,

1114
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 1: although I think the Giants have a lot of I

1115
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: hope was ram. Do we even know generous Jenkins is

1116
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 1: coming back? Well, there's a lot of under contract, But

1117
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: that's a guy who may or may not be desirable

1118
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: by somebody else who offers a trade, and maybe they

1119
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: decided to do that. So I'm gonna just stay with

1120
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: defensive back at the moment, just to be safe, I'm

1121
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: going defensive back. Let's go back to the phone lines

1122
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: as we move along here on Big Blue Kickoff Live.

1123
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: I want to try to squeeze a few more and

1124
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: Mike is in Pennsylvania. Mike, welcome to the program. What

1125
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: do you have for us? Lance? Paul trying to make

1126
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: this quick as possible, No problem, al right, I got

1127
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: a cap question for you, uh draft prospect, and I

1128
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: actually come to get a Sampio update on from you guys. Okay,

1129
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: all right, uh real quick though, I do want to

1130
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: make a note about Haskins before you crown him. Take

1131
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: into account Ohio state strength of schedule this year, especially

1132
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: when Urban was suspended, and also the fact that he's

1133
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: surrounded by first surrounders from his wide receivers to his

1134
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: offensive line to his running backs. Have you listened to

1135
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: the show very often, um the past few days. I

1136
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: have not been able to. Okay, if you had, and

1137
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be a wise guy, you would

1138
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: know that I'm not taking Haskins. I'm not going anywhere

1139
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: near him number six, and I don't think I don't

1140
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: think is either well, I don't think he's better than

1141
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: the top quarterbacks from last year's class, and that to

1142
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: me is important part of the conversation. Like, I don't

1143
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: think Haskins is better than Mayfield, and I don't think

1144
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: he's better than Donald right now. In my opinion, that

1145
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that he's not better than any of the

1146
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks in the class. But I'm weighing that if

1147
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have the sixth overall pick, I want to

1148
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: see where he would line up in terms of what

1149
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: Mayfield and Donald did their rookie years coming out of

1150
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: college and so forth. That to me is an important

1151
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: part of the evaluation that was more directed towards your

1152
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: listeners than you guys. Okay, well listen, here's what I

1153
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: will say. And I know you want to make another point, Mike,

1154
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: I think it's first of all, Haskins was a true

1155
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: starter for one year. Okay, that that also can't be overlooking.

1156
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: We don't have to win him. No, I don't know

1157
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm adding to his point. Yeah, but everybody listening to

1158
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: this program may have not listened to the last five programs.

1159
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: So in fairness, even though it's a little repetitive, brought

1160
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: it up. Okay, it's important to at least expanded a little.

1161
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: What I was gonna say is, regardless of the strength

1162
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: the scheduled point might that you brought up, it's still

1163
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: a small sample size. So whether he lit it up

1164
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: or caved in those games, I still need to take

1165
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: into consideration a little bit more than just what he

1166
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: did in the span of three or four games. That's

1167
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: all I'm gonna add. And I know I'm not saying

1168
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: you were trying to elevate him or sell him, but

1169
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: it's still a very small sample size, is my point.

1170
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: Whether it be good or bad results, But go ahead, right, Well,

1171
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,479
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering why he's only a one year starter

1172
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: out of school that produces top tier wide receivers that

1173
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: start under center. Yes, and and most weekends Ohio stage

1174
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: playing a man against the boys situation as well. Let's

1175
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: not kid ourselves. Across the boards have some good defense,

1176
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: you do, but across the board they usually beat up

1177
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: on a lot of weaker people. Number of games have

1178
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: been lopsided this year, though it was more of an

1179
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: offensive clinic because they didn't have Ohio date a very

1180
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: good defense, and there weren't necessarily a full load of

1181
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: good defense. Go ahead, go ahead, Yeah, alright, my cap

1182
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: question for you. So, from my understanding, when a player

1183
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: goes an i R, a percentage of their salary is

1184
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: encountered against the cap. I'm wondering if you can elaborate

1185
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: on that. And also there's a salaries of players that

1186
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: miss games due to injury a count against cap. Well,

1187
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: all all money, all money that goes on the cap

1188
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: is any of your guaranteed money and any of your

1189
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: your bonus money that had to be paid out. That

1190
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: all goes on the cap. Now, the only money that

1191
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: doesn't go on the cap is appearance bonus money. For example,

1192
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: if a guy had incentives that were game appearance related,

1193
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: like he had to play in a minimum of twelve games,

1194
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: and then any game after twelve he got x number

1195
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: of dollars as an appearance bonus. Well, if he doesn't

1196
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: play in those games, I'll give you a good example,

1197
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: John Beeston some years ago. If you remember, Beason had

1198
01:00:58,120 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: a bad need by the time the Giants got him

1199
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: from Carolina, and his contract had a bunch of triggers

1200
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: in it where he needed to play certain games or

1201
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: numbers of games to get certain portions of his contract fulfilled.

1202
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: When he did not play in those games. The Giants

1203
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: were able then to use that money as part of

1204
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: their you know, liquid assets and in the free agent

1205
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: pool because they did not have to pay out that money.

1206
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: So that does not get counted against the cap in

1207
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: a in a way, it's a rebate or refund because

1208
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: he didn't earn those incentives. That's that's I don't know

1209
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: if that's answering your question or not, but that is

1210
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: the easiest way for a team to get money back

1211
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: off of a contract. Well, what's the benefit of placing

1212
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: a player and I are then there's not other than

1213
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't he can't get appearance bonus money because he's

1214
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: not gonna play in games when he's on negent reserve. Correct.

1215
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: But the benefit is you need the roster spot too,

1216
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: So you have to open up the roster spot of

1217
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: a guy is gonna be out of the season. They

1218
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: don't just give you, now a fifty fourth spot. You

1219
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: have to have the sacrifice and and and here's the thing.

1220
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: If you're getting to this larger point, players that go

1221
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: on I R should absolutely still count against the cap

1222
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: because then you're gonna put a Yeah, they could hide him,

1223
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: and not only that, but now, now you're gonna get

1224
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: to a point where every time a player gets hurt,

1225
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: you're get saying, oh, you still have plenty of spending

1226
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: money to go out there and get whoever you need. No,

1227
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: there's gotta be some limitations, because that's what makes the

1228
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: salary cap so effective. Competitive balance across the board. To clarify,

1229
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: that player gets his base and he gets whatever his

1230
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,959
Speaker 1: signing bonus was and whatever other bonuses he was able

1231
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: to earn by being a part of the team. What

1232
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: he won't get are the appearance bonuses. There are some

1233
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: guys who have a clause in their deal that says, Okay,

1234
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: you've got to be part of the Act of fifty

1235
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: three in X number of weeks to get this roster bonus.

1236
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: Or you have to actually dress on Sunday because sometimes

1237
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: you know you can and not dressed, you're inactive. So

1238
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: now out, oh you did not actually get in the game,

1239
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: you don't get that appearance bonus. So yeah, there there

1240
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: are some moneies that do come back to the team

1241
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: when you I are a guy if his contract had

1242
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: those clauses and MIKEA, We're gonna let you go on

1243
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: that note because we want to try to still squeeze

1244
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: in one of the cool I know his last question

1245
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: was about a Sam Beale update. We'll keep in mind

1246
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: we're really not gonna know much until the guy's return

1247
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: for the spring workouts and see where players have gone

1248
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: about their business off the field, on the field and

1249
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: so forth. The only thing that we did hear from

1250
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: Dave Ghettoman last Paul was the fact that obviously underwent

1251
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: surgery and he was continuing through his rehab process. He

1252
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: had been at all the Giants practices on the sideline.

1253
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: He was not allowed to go on the field, which

1254
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: is part of the rehab okay, but he was allowed

1255
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: to watch. From what I have been told, very studious,

1256
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: terrific attitude, did all his book work and and they

1257
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: really are very very high on him. And they believed

1258
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: that the shoulder operation that he had going back to

1259
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: last summer was something that would fix whatever troubles he

1260
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: was having in college with the shoulder. So they think

1261
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: that the surgery was a success. He will be durable

1262
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: enough to play and attitude wise and in terms of

1263
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: picking up things as well as he could again, albeit

1264
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: that he wasn't allowed on the field, they think he's

1265
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: maxed out his preparation as much as he could given

1266
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: the circumstances. So I believe the Giants are very much

1267
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: high on him and expect him to put put a

1268
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: lot on field in two thousand nineteen. All right, before

1269
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: we wrap up, let's head back to the lines. We

1270
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: got coach Marvin in Delaware. Coach Marvin, what's happening? How

1271
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Speaker 1: do hey? Coach? Hey? Real quick? Sam Bill very good ball.

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Speaker 1: He plays the ball well at corner, so I'd be

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Speaker 1: interested to see how he comes out this year. So

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Speaker 1: he's got a nice frame, Marvin, He's got some length

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01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: to and speed. Yeah. Yeah, he's a slim guy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: One thing I didn't and sometimes that happens with corners

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01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: because we don't a lot of tackling. He's not really

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01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: a great tackler right well, and he's had limited work

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01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: in pads over the last few months too, So no,

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01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: it's limited. Is putting it politely, is what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,

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01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: not going to know until we see him. I did

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01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,439
Speaker 1: talk to a college football head coach just a couple

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01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: of weeks ago who played against Bill when he was

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Speaker 1: in his last year in college, and he said, Paul,

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01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm telling you this guy was lights out. Not only

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01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: did he look great on tape in the in the

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01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: three games that we had on tape and preparing for him,

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01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: but then when we played him that day, his skill

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01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: set and his athleticism, he said, I'm telling you, it

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01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: was like he was on another level. We knew he

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01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: was going to be a high NFL draft pick because

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01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: he has coverage skills. He was he was projected to

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01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,439
Speaker 1: this year to be a first round pick. Some people

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01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: thought so, Some people thought so. Some people um the

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01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: caller about the picks, Uh at the six spot? At

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Speaker 1: who you pick? Uh? I mean, those are good choices.

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have four choices that you have

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01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: to say that Askins is going to be one of

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Speaker 1: those players of the four or five that they look

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01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: in that and I think we have to sit in

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01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: the week because if we put them down so much,

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01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interested. This gentleman liked them and pick them.

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01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: How is everybody going to react? And that's why I said,

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01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: we don't even know if he's gonna be around. He

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01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: could very well be taken before the Giants even set right.

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01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: And if the Giants like and fall in love with him,

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01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure other things may do the same, so it's

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01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: gonna be a bidding war to get him. I don't

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01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: know if he's worth for bidding war or if he's

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Speaker 1: sitting there at six yet to consider him. Marvin, Here's

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01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: what I will say. No matter how much I personally

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01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,919
Speaker 1: would not take him for whatever reasons I have laid out,

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01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: the bottom line is this. I believe in Dave Gentleman.

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01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: I always have and I've told you that guy about

1315
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: that guy for years. I'm a huge Dave Gettleman fan.

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01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: I believe in his work ethic, I believe in his assertiveness,

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01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 1: I believe in him being responsible to the job. And

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Speaker 1: if Dave Gettleman is all in and picks him at

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01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: number six, then I'm gonna put my trust in Dave

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01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 1: Getleman that he made the right decision and that my

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01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: opinion obviously is worthless because he's not gonna listen to

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01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: me anyway, and that's perfectly fine. And if he picks him,

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Speaker 1: and if he picks him, I'll get on this show

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01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 1: and I'll say, hey, if Dave Gettleman believes in the guy,

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01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: he must have something that's worthwhild and good luck and

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01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: God bless and I hope it works out. I would

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Speaker 1: not have made the pick. And I'll be here to

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Speaker 1: tell you that I'm not afraid to back down. I

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01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: won't back down. I'm a Bison. I'm not gonna back down. Yeah,

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01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: my last, my last. But you know, people talking about

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01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 1: this game on Sunday, and as you know, I told you,

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01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, I was in New England, UM, and and

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01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: as a coach and listening to everybody, the guys saying

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01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: that the Rams are gonna get blown out and all

1335
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: of this stuff. I would tell my guys, why are

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01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: we showing up? Why are we playing? We played the

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01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: greatest team of all time, greatest coach and the greatest quarterback. UM.

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01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: And then I would tell my guys, you know what's

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01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: the difference though about this game is that we're not

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01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 1: playing baseball and we're not playing basketball. So there is

1341
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: no Game seven for these guys. And two, there is

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01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: a way to stop them underneath, because there's team steps

1343
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: done it. If you look at the Kansas City games,

1344
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: how bad defense Kansas City had that game one? If

1345
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: it's not somebody off side, and then we're not talking

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01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: about how good New England did certain things the Kansas

1347
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: City did some things, some mistakes, some mistakes in their calls,

1348
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that you can't take it away

1349
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: from New England for taking that game because they the

1350
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: opportunity came and they took it. But I'm not tim

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01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: carrying Kansas City defense to um the Ramps. They had

1352
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 1: a tough season. But one thing they do have in

1353
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: New England knows they have in it's way Phillip wait,

1354
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: been there. You get a game plan against them, it's

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01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: the same team, same game plan in England, just the

1356
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: same thing. They don't throw outside the numbers. Often. You

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01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: press down on them and you pressure him up the

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01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: middle and give yourself a chance. That's all you have

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01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: to do. But this stuff is blowing them out. It's like,

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01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: my thing is why am I playing well? Listen. I

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01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: don't think you need at this level though, coach. I

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01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: don't think you need to motivate your players. It's the

1363
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: super Bowl. If they're not motivated enough, that's something's wrong. Marvin.

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Speaker 1: It goes back to what I said before, and you

1365
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: know this being a coach for a lot of years,

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Speaker 1: what did I say the blueprint of how to beat

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01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: a good team if you're a good coaching coordinator. The

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01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:48,520
Speaker 1: blueprints the easiest part. You can figure out the blueprint.

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01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 1: The hardest part is how do you get your pieces

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01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: to fit what that blueprint says you need to do.

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01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: You know that you put them in position. That's what

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01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 1: you gotta try to do. And sometime you don't have

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01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: the right players who can do those things though. That's

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01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: where the real problem comes in to get to this game.

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01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: You do have some players to do those things. If

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01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: they may not do it excellent, but they do it

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Speaker 1: good enough. But when the Giants was in that game

1378
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: against them, when they was undefeated, I'm a huge Giant fan.

1379
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: I lived in New England at that time. That was

1380
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Speaker 1: the happiest two weeks of my life. But you know what,

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01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: when that Sunday came, my stomach was public because I

1382
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: thought that New England was gonna paid them, found them

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01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 1: down and only chance I gave them if they can

1384
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback. Other than that, there was no

1385
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 1: other chance. We've had it offensively. I didn't see it defensively. Well,

1386
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:49,759
Speaker 1: that's why. And ultimately the last part of the winning

1387
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 1: equation is always going to be execution. It always will

1388
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: be if you can execute with good players they were

1389
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: and when Lands says they had the professional can't talk

1390
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 1: to them up. You can't talk to them up because

1391
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: if you make them start to leavings and what somebody

1392
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: starts for leaving, they will do anything in that moment. Well,

1393
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: but my point is, I don't think guys like Aaron Donald,

1394
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 1: Michael Brockers and Dominican Sue, who have been around the

1395
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 1: league for quite some time. I mean, you can maybe

1396
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: say that they haven't been on the biggest stage, but

1397
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: the bottom line is they've been in big games during

1398
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: the course of their career. I mean, I don't think

1399
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: you need to play Iya the Tiger, Rocky music or

1400
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: whatever you need to sell them. You need Rick Flair.

1401
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: You need Rick Flair or Alpaccino in the locker room

1402
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: before the game. Okay, And you gotta tell those guys

1403
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,759
Speaker 1: it's a game of one. It's not the best of seven.

1404
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: It's the best of one, baby, go out there and

1405
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 1: get it and and we'll let you go on that. No, Coach,

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01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: Marvit appreciate you weighing in. They know because slicit. They've

1407
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: had one game playoffs all throughout this run here, so

1408
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 1: it's not as if the Super Bowl is gonna be

1409
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: any different, and I do think it's a fair point.

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01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips has gone up against New England with his

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01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: Denver defenses. I would argue though I thought Denver's d

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01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: fences when he was the d C had a better

1413
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 1: secondary than what the Rams have to offer, There's no doubt.

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01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,959
Speaker 1: So that also helps a lot. He had the pass rushers,

1415
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: he had the von Miller's, he had the Danny Trevathan's,

1416
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 1: he had all those guys, but he had a much

1417
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 1: better secondary. And if that D line of the Rams

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01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: doesn't get the kind of pressure we're talking about and

1419
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: the number of hits that we're talking about, that secondary

1420
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 1: won't hold up. And that and that's my biggest concern.

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Speaker 1: All Right, it's gonna wrap things up for us. Certainly

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