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Speaker 1: alleviate that situation. We have made exemptions from our sanctions

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Speaker 1: to just to share their ideals and messaging to see

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Speaker 1: different way that's very troubling. It is an unprecedented, uh instance,

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Speaker 1: so um we had protests in Iran in seventeen. We

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Speaker 1: We're going to have to do one after this as well,

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Speaker 1: in light of the regime's ability to shut down the Internet,

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Speaker 1: and I think out of that we'll get smarter about

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Speaker 1: I have to ask you just this one final question.

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Speaker 1: Here Rinks says that impacted at all. Your ability to

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Speaker 1: still delivering results for the American people. UH. Secretary of

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Speaker 1: work will continue. We sanctioned in Iranian senior official today.

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Speaker 1: United States on a new deal. That was Brian Hookes,

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Speaker 1: special representative for Iran at the State's Department. Coming up.

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Speaker 1: What's on the Panel's radar Joel Reuben and Anna Edgerton.

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Congress editor, Joel Ruben, democratic strategist and former Deputy

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Speaker 1: We're thrilled to have her here in the studio hanging

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Speaker 1: out with us as well. All Right, it's time not

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Speaker 1: for my favorite segment, which is what's on the panel's radar? Joel,

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Speaker 1: what's on your radar? Baby Netting Yah, who go into

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Speaker 1: jail or maybe maybe not if we're following the story,

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Speaker 1: what are the developments of the last twenty four hours?

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Speaker 1: So basically Netting, Yeah, who was indicted for bribery and

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Speaker 1: he's trying to rally his base within the Licud party

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Speaker 1: to keep him at the top slot while he's trying

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Speaker 1: to negotiate a new government which is unlikely, meaning they

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Speaker 1: make at new elections. And it's a big mess. As

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Speaker 1: they say in Hebrew, it's a bagan um. What does

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Speaker 1: what does it mean for US Israeli relations? Ultimately, the

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Speaker 1: relationship is America in Israel, not America. Netzing Yahoo are

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Speaker 1: Trump and nets in Yahoo. And I think Trump will

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Speaker 1: move away from Netzingho if he has to as well,

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Speaker 1: which is a little undertone to all of this. But

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Speaker 1: for Israel, they can't afford to have a crisis at

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Speaker 1: the top. The region is in collapse. Syria is a

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Speaker 1: hornet's nest of threats. Iran is continuing to advance, and

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Speaker 1: the Israeli public they have had successive political deadlocks, but

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Speaker 1: this is new. This is unique. They have never had

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Speaker 1: a sitting prime minister indicted and the paralysis is very

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Speaker 1: dangerous for or security. Are you concerned at all that

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Speaker 1: the indictment of net and Yaho will embolden some of

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Speaker 1: has really been running rampant through a certain faction of

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. I think what it does is and

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Speaker 1: disaffection right now in American politics towards Israel. There's a

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Speaker 1: concern about Israel's support, but very much, especially amongst Democrats,

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Speaker 1: concerned about the netting Trump relationship and a bit of

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Speaker 1: a bit of a enjoyment and watching netzing Yaho indicted

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Speaker 1: that's not good for the relationship. That's not good for Israel.

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Speaker 1: I've got a lot of family there on a personal

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Speaker 1: level of lived there for over a year of my life,

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Speaker 1: care deeply about the country, and political paralysis and collapse

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Speaker 1: is never healthy for the Bocracy. Well, that's We're appreciative

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Speaker 1: of your comments on Israel as that being on your radar.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate that. Joe Ruben and Edgerton, what's on your radar.

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Speaker 1: First of all, what I could possibly cook for Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: for the first times? Thanks Um. I know I'm a

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Speaker 1: gonna be looking at the next steps for impeachment. And

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Speaker 1: They kind of have two options. One engage and present

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Speaker 1: participate in. Interesting you know what's on my radar? What's

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Speaker 1: on your radar, Kevin? Did you guys see this? Another

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Speaker 1: favorite band of mine, I'm a huge music person, cold

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Speaker 1: the group will spend the next year or two working

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Speaker 1: out how to make their their album tour carbon neutral.

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Speaker 1: We've done a lot of big tours at this point,

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Speaker 1: he said to the BBC. How can we harness the

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Speaker 1: resources that our tour creates and make it have a

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Speaker 1: positive impact? Interesting, Chris Martin Coldplay, I love cold Play. There,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen to that. I'm going I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: go home to Philly this weekend because I just can't

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Speaker 1: get enough aidelco Um, Thanks Joel, which come back. You

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Speaker 1: were here twice today. You're here with the Lord Anna.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Good luck with preparing everything. Thanks everybody for

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Speaker 1: listening to see a Monday. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief watching

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Speaker 1: the correspondent from Limberg TV and Radio. Have a great

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