1 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: Welcome Berg Gang. On today's show Free Agency. It's yet 2 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: to officially began, and the Cardinals we know, have already 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: made a big splash with the signing of J. J. Watt. 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: So if you're general manager Steve Kime, what's your next move? First? 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: Though J J. Watt and Reggie White, is there a comparison? 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: One person believes so, and if he's right, the Cardinals 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: will be very, very happy. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: four hundred. That's a nice round number and it starts now. 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolu and Mike 10 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: jarecki Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner 11 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts, visit 12 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: Acy Cardinals dot Com Slash Podcasts. Murray rolls to the 13 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: right throws near sight of fitz pot Pies into the 14 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: ensode for the touchdown. Here's Craig Griolu and Mike Jareckie. Obviously, 15 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: the JJ Watt signing a huge deal here locally for 16 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: all Arizona Cardinals fans. But MJ over the past what 17 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: twenty four forty eight hours getting a sense of what 18 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: this move meant nationally, the national narrative, and all of 19 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: a sudden, for the first month six weeks of the 20 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: off season, zero conversation about the Arizona Cardinals. And for 21 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: a small part that's good because a lot of the 22 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: discussion has been about the quarterback movement, and the Cardinals 23 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about that outside of quarterback play, 24 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: though you don't hear the Cardinals being talked a lot 25 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: about that changed after this move to land JJ Watt 26 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: and I want to get into one thing that I 27 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: did here, and this was the Adam Schefter podcast he 28 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: had JJ Watt on Monday, and a question that Schefter 29 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: asked was a question that we discussed here on Cardinals 30 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: Cover two, and it was a question asked of what 31 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: during his introductory press conference, how much do you have 32 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: left in the tank? Well, Watt, and addressing us, said 33 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: a lot and left it at that. Schefter asked the 34 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: same question and Watt said a lot left and then 35 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: he went further. And that's what I want to get 36 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: into because I found this interesting. He brought up talking 37 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: about JJ Watt that even at the age of thirty two, 38 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: which he will be at the start of this coming 39 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one season. He brought up the name Reggie White. 40 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: That White was thirty two years old his first season 41 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: with the Green Bay Packers. And we're dating ourselves here, 42 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: burd Gang. But remember that offseason this was huge news. 43 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: Reggie White, after eight seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles, was 44 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: a free agent. Everyone wanted him, and he surprised everyone 45 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: by electing to go to the Green Bay Packers. He 46 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: was told not to go there, he went anyway, and 47 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: MJ he played six seasons with the Green Bay Packers. Now, 48 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if we can make a correlation between 49 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: then and now, but JJ Watt at thirty two, if 50 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: the Cardinals can get any kind of production like the 51 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: Packers got from a Reggie White, this is a win, win, 52 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: and a home run for the Arizona Cardinals, I would agree. Now, 53 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: you know, we don't know the fact that Reggie White 54 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: played eight years in Philadelphia, six in Green Bay, and 55 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: then he finished out in Carolina, and as you pointed 56 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: out to me earlier, he played all sixteen games. You know, 57 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: I don't know concerning the money that JJ Watt has 58 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: made and will make in the next few years. If 59 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: he's going to play that long. But I think it's 60 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: a good reference point. I'm glad that he used that 61 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: as an analogy. I wish she would have told us that, 62 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: but you know, different settings podcasts versus a press conference 63 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: here for time. So but yeah, I mean, you look 64 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: at it in the six years sixty eight and a 65 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: half sacks his first year there, you know, he had 66 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: thirteen eight, twelve, eight and a half eleven sixteen, so 67 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: you know he was averaging double digits. And when you 68 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: look six year sixty eight SAPs, so maybe ten and 69 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: a half eleven sacks. I don't know what the number is. 70 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: I mean, we'd love to sit here and say, you know, 71 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: with him and Chandler Jones and you know, Buddha Baker 72 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: and Isaiah Simmons and hopefully Jordan Phillips, you know, get 73 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: back to form like they brought him in for. I mean, 74 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: it's interesting that, you know. Again, I like the sacks, 75 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: but I like what he said. He said it's about 76 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: tackle for loss, which I should have included. And then 77 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: batted balls down and we on the Red Sea Report, 78 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: we got a couple of highlights from Jimmy Almahundro where 79 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: he scoop and score for a touchdown. A forty yard 80 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: pick six basically has the trees to put his arms 81 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: up to, you know, get a pick like Kyler Murray 82 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: did to Daveon Clowney a couple of years ago. So 83 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: it's more. But I like the fact that they're going 84 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: to move him around and he was open to moving around. 85 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: I think that's what he's done. I do think in 86 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: the base defense he will play in a thirty four 87 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: defensive end. I don't know if that will be on 88 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: the left side or right side, or is he going 89 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: to be in the middle. And then I think when 90 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: you look at in their nickel defense, it's going to 91 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: be different than a year ago. He can go to 92 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: the three technique, five technique, seven technique and there were 93 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: times he was in a nine technique and he was 94 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: overlooking the tight end and the right tackling he was 95 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: making play. So I like the fact that he was 96 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: open to it. And it's not just one thing he's 97 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,119 Speaker 1: going to do. By moving him around, we will create 98 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: matchups for the entire front seven. And I think that's 99 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: a conversation that he advanced Joseph will have and I 100 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: think it's a simple one that Hey this is where 101 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: I think I line up best in certain matches. But 102 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: if you see something differently on film, I'm open to 103 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: doing anything and everything. He's not coming in and we 104 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: discussed this earlier this week. He's not coming in and 105 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: dictating this is what I do, this is who I am, 106 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: and I'm not going to change. I don't think that's 107 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: JJ Watt, especially at this point, a fresh start, a 108 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: new team, and then pairing him up with a dominant 109 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: pass rusher on the other side or even on the 110 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: same side, and Chandler Jones because you're looking to use 111 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: your analogy of trees. You've got two large trees when 112 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: at six to five and then all of a sudden 113 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: you raise your arms up. Now you're well over seven 114 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: feet tall to bat those balls down. But anyway you 115 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: can affect the quarterback. Yes, people have gotten caught up 116 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: on the number of sacks last year by JJ Watt 117 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: looking at that number of five and saying, oh he 118 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: was it was a down year. He's over the hill. 119 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: That's not true. Watch the film and then see what 120 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: happened when opposing offenses attacked JJ Watt. They ran away 121 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: from JJ Watt, They double teamed JJ Watt, but even 122 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: with that double team was still being effective to allow teammates, 123 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: if he had some effective defenders next to him, to 124 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: affect the quarterback on the other side of the line 125 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. So sometimes sometimes numbers don't always tell you 126 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: the whole story when you're looking at the stat sheet, 127 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: if you didn't watch the film or didn't watch the game, 128 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: and it's a totality. I think it's a really good 129 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: point by you from a standpoint of if you want 130 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: to watch JJ Watt playing against the Titans last year. 131 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: I don't may have been Week seventeen, it could be wrong, 132 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: but it was in December, and Derrick Henry obviously was 133 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: putting up numbers, you know, they were trying to get 134 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: into the postseason, etc. Every time that Watt would line 135 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: up on one side, there are kind of would run 136 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: to the other side, and then again, you can run 137 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: the same play to both sides, but obviously they where 138 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: he was on the field. So I'm gonna give you 139 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: a few numbers from ESPN Stats and Info. The Cardinals 140 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: blitz rate the past three seasons has been thirty, the 141 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,679 Speaker 1: second highest in the NFL. Having all pros on either 142 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: edge of the line will pay dividends when the offensive 143 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: the line starts a double team one or the other 144 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: another one. Last season, JJ Watt was double teamed thirty 145 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: percent according to ESPN Stats and fill the most in 146 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: the NFL. By comparison, Jones was double team sixteen percent 147 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: of the time when he was an edge rusher in 148 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, the last time he played a full season. 149 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: So and then you go back to seventeen. Watt averages 150 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: three point one six pressures per game, pressures fifth most 151 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: in the league, while Jones was seventh at three point 152 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: zero nine per game among players with at least forty 153 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: games played. I mean, yeah, we're looking back when he 154 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: won the three time Defensive Player of the Year award. 155 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: He didn't have any talent on that roster. He had 156 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 1: nobody else to help them. I'm telling you, you you look 157 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: at the roster and was on the field in December. 158 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: Some of those guys we're up from the practice squad. 159 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: I mean they I don't know, they weren't tanking because 160 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: they traded their picks away, but that that talent level 161 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: wasn't the same. I mean really, I mean it just 162 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: seemed like they were just more focused on getting to 163 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: the offseason. So you take you know, we talked about 164 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips, and then you throw in Zach Allen and 165 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: we'll see about Corey Peters and then you're throwing JJ 166 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: and then Hicks and Simmons. We'll see what happens on 167 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: the outside, hopefully Marcus Gold and the Reddick and then 168 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker. I mean you've got playmakers now, I mean 169 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: there's one guy. There's going to be a downward spiral effect. 170 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: Where who are you going to double? You can't double 171 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: JJ Way And it wouldn't surprise me if they move 172 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: Simmons sometimes. I know he's more of a you know, 173 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: a week side linebacker can cover tight ends, complaining the box. 174 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: But if you're gonna double someone, somebody's going to be free. Yeah, 175 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: And I think that's what the Cardinals were looking at 176 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: when they made this move. Going back to those six 177 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: seasons that Reggie White spent with the Packers. And I 178 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: know it's a two year contract with the Cardinals and 179 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: JJ Watt, but six Pro Bowl appearances and All Pro twice. 180 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: I mean starting at the age of thirty two. Look, sometimes, yes, 181 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: you do lose a step, but what you lose in 182 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: a step you gain in experience and knowledge and the 183 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: tricks of the trade. Don't forget when the Cardinals added 184 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: Dwight Freeney, he was, you know, on the other side 185 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: of his career, yet still was very effective unlimited step counts. 186 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: And I don't think we're going to see a limited 187 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: snap count with JJ Watt at all, especially when he 188 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: came off of a thousand snap season a year ago. 189 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: He takes great care of himself. I just think that 190 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: just don't look at his number thirty two as far 191 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: as age, look at the body of work and then 192 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: kind of do a comparison and you're projecting. I get 193 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: that we're projecting. Yes, he has to stay healthy. Everyone 194 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: has to stay healthy. But this to me, could be 195 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: a huge move for the Cardinals. Defensively helps the back 196 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: end and it obviously helps the offense. And we really 197 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: haven't talked about what it means in the locker room. 198 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: I mean that that's different. I know he's going to 199 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: be judging what he does on the field, but the leadership. 200 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: But you know, that was the reason why Reggie White 201 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: was named the Minister of Defense, And one thing you 202 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: pointed out to me, he wasn't hurt a lot in 203 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: his career. Now, he was a big guy, but you know, 204 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: back in the day, you know, guys played through more injuries. 205 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: Probably now we got more on science and you know, 206 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: if you're not cleared by the trainer, you're not going 207 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: to play. You know, a lot of guys probably were 208 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: playing injured. But he didn't miss a lot of games 209 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: in his entire career. Where you know, it's funny and 210 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 1: we don't know the official numbers were guaranteed money and 211 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: all this stuff, but thirty two games he's missed right 212 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: over the past five seasons. Five seasons. If things go well, 213 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: I think this could be a three year contract when 214 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: it's all said and done. The way that teams are 215 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: going to try to push the money to where you know, 216 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: you take a little bit earlier, maybe not the highest 217 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: cap number, and the next year will go up. And 218 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: then they're hoping the cap goes up because of a 219 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: TV contract. So there's ways to move it around. And 220 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: I always you know, there's there's general managers and owners 221 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: that have said in the pass quick if you really 222 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: want a player, you could find a way. Now you 223 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: may go short in another position, and that's where you 224 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: get that positional spending that comes into effect. Yeah, and 225 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: let's get into some of that free agency, because I 226 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: think it's important. Now you've landed the big fish, is 227 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,479 Speaker 1: there another one to follow? 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We had a chance to hear from 236 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: general manager Steve Kime earlier and it's the first time 237 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: we've heard from the general manager at least in this 238 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: kind of a setting over zoom meeting the local and 239 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: national media since well since the season ended. So a 240 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: lot to get into. But with respects to free agency 241 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: and what now might happen with the Cardinals, JJ Watt 242 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: is taking a large chunk of change out of the 243 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: salary cap how much, while it depends on who you 244 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: believe in what you read. According to the general manager, though, 245 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: and I'm guessing MJ he would know the contract that 246 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: JJ Watt signed does not quote drastically limits what the 247 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: Cardinals want to do in free agency. There's some flexibility 248 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: there that would allow the Cardinals to be, in Kind's words, aggressive, 249 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: yet at the same time knowing that finances must come 250 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: into play, because they're still not quite sure here on 251 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: March where that salary cap is going to be. It's 252 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: going to be no lower than one eighty, but how 253 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: much higher does it go? Another million, another five million, 254 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 1: another seven million, And every little dollar in set is 255 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: going to matter huge when you're trying to retain some 256 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: of your own players and go out and improve the 257 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,239 Speaker 1: team with a market that is going to be flooded 258 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: with a lot of players. And I think that was 259 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: important to mention because we look at, you know, guaranteed 260 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: money for what, and you know, we'll see what the 261 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: cap numbers in the first year versus the second year. 262 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: And I do think and he also we'll get into 263 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: this where he said, you know, they have twenty eight 264 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: free agents and they would like to retain some of them, 265 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: but he also said it depends on the market. So 266 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: I do think they have enough money to go out 267 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: and get another big fish, meaning a plug in play guy. 268 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll be thirty plus, and you 269 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: start looking at you know you're gonna be active trying 270 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: to get a turn wide receiver, because he mentioned today 271 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: that you know, he started watching some wide receiver film 272 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: for the draft and he was intrigued with the top 273 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: five guys they are picking sixteenth. Overall, they have focused 274 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: on the defense at least in free agency last year, 275 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: and then obviously their first move here and because J. J. 276 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: Watt was available, so I would think and we'll get 277 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: into some of the details about Josh Jones, but based 278 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: on Sean Coogler comments last week Craig clearly they want 279 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: to upgrade the center position and if that means competition. 280 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: So there's three free agent centers out there. Corey Lindsay 281 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: he's with the Packers, Supposedly he's going to command at 282 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: least twelve million a year, and then you got Alex 283 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: Mack who's thirty five. He may command five or six 284 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: million a year, one year deal. Good, good veteran player, 285 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: played a tunnel. He's got a lot of respect around. 286 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: And then Nick Martin most recently was leased by the Texans. 287 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: He's got forty eight starts, and we know the Cardinals 288 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: have over the last two years, they've really done a 289 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: good job going after Texans players, at least DeAndre Hopkins 290 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: and j J. Watts. So why don't we just keep 291 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: the tradition. And I don't know what his asking price is, 292 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: but that to me, it could be the line that 293 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: if they want to make upgrades there because we'll get 294 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: into what we think at right garden, right tackle in depth. 295 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: That would go a long way. And one thing we 296 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: got to go back to when Kyler Murray retweeted Jim 297 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: Naggie's thing, it was about the lines. He also retweeted 298 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: Tristan Worse, where goingly give up one sack the whole 299 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: year when Cardinals were in that conversation until they really 300 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: like Josh Jones and Isaiah Simmons. But he retweeted the lines, 301 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: so they addressed the D line. Now you have to 302 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: address the center position, I believe, and I think that 303 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: could be another big ticket item or Southern on one 304 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: of those veteran guys. Because Lindsay's he's for free agency. 305 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: I don't there's going to be and I don't know 306 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: if the Packers can afford him and Aaron Jones. So 307 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: we'll have to wait and see, but I do think 308 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: center could be probably a position they're going to try 309 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: to bring in a guy, and that guy that comes 310 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: in likely will be in competition, but probably be the 311 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: starter on week one. That's just my guest, Texans West 312 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: right here in the Arizona Cardinals. I'll throw in another 313 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: former Houston Texan, Will Fuller, then you pair him up 314 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: with DeAndre Hopkins. And of course, but if you look 315 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: at where the Cardinals are right now, and knowing that 316 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: free agency starts first, and then you have the draft 317 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: and what we've seen over the years, and we heard 318 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: from Sean Coogler when we heard from him last week 319 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: that the offensive line typically you have to wait a 320 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: year or two before you really earn that spot and 321 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: know how to play along the line of scrimmage. So 322 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: if you're the Cardinals here and you're picking at number sixteen, 323 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: what position do you think you can land at number 324 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: sixteen that is an immediate plug and play guy. To 325 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: use your phrase is that an offensive lineman is at 326 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: a wide receiver, is at a cornerback. And then depending 327 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: on what you believe and we heard from Steve come 328 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: earlier today. He loves what he's seen out of the 329 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: wide receiver class. He believes the top three or four 330 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: guys and his words are game changers. So if one 331 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: of those guys, and of course you have to wait 332 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: and see who falls to you, but if you land 333 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: one of those guys, or if it's a cornerback, then 334 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: maybe that offensive line center, interior guard position, that becomes 335 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: the focus of free agency because that's a known commodity 336 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: versus the unknown with a draft prospect. Yeah, I like 337 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: the way you're connecting dots. And you know Will Fuller, 338 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: he's he had a surface suspension last year for PD 339 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: so I don't know if he's I don't know how 340 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: many games he missed, but he's a speed guy and 341 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: he can definitely stretch the field. But if if again, 342 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: if you follow kind, whatever they don't do in free agency, 343 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: they have a tendency to do it in the draft. Now. 344 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: You know, sixteen, I still think they would trade down 345 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: just to pick up an extra second or third. They 346 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: have five picks going in right now. But you know, 347 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: last year's two corners were drafted in the first round, 348 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: Jeff Akuda and I want to say Henderson went to 349 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons and they struggled their first year. I mean, 350 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: Jeff Acuta was getting picked on. You know, he took 351 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: it personal. I remember you and I were at the 352 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: combine and the guy said, he kind of said, go 353 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: back and watch my film. He should have been more. 354 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: He was really arrogant when that question came up, and 355 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: then he got exposed. So it's tough. But I do 356 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: think this is a deep wide receiver class, and I 357 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: think it's a deep corner draft, and Craig, there are 358 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: there are nine guys that are six feet and taller 359 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: and people I've talked to some could be slot corners. 360 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: So again, what happens with pat P? What do you 361 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:55,719 Speaker 1: do with all? For you try to bring them back 362 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: at a lower figure, and then Buyer Murphy I think 363 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: would consider putting on the outside if they didn't bring 364 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: pat P back. But there are and you're thinking you 365 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: take the sixteenth corner and play him at slot. Well 366 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: he could bounce outside after all, for you know, guess 367 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: maybe I'm just player X over there. And then the 368 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: good news is teams are going three and four wide 369 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: and we know how effected these slot guys are with 370 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: these crossing routes and slant routes. So I would never say, well, 371 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: you don't draft a guy that high and play him 372 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: at slot position flexibility. He could play in the slot 373 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: and he could play on the outside. And remember bird 374 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: Gang as a refresher, we covered the wide receiver and 375 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: cornerbacks and our position by a position look ahead of 376 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: free agency, and just those names once again, as far 377 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: as the wide receiver positioned are concerned, Jamar Chase, Jail 378 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: and Waddle and Davante Smith, and those are some of 379 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: the names, including Smith that those prognosticators have had the 380 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: Cardinals pegging at number sixteen. Now Smith would certainly be 381 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: a godsend, if you will, as the Heisman Trophy winner 382 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: falling all the way to sixteen. And then you look 383 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: at the corner position and the top guys you talked 384 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: about all over six feet tall, while you've got Caleb Farley, 385 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: J C. Horne, Patrick Certan, those players six two six 386 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: one six two and in the latest market, I can't 387 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: remember who it was, it might have been mel Kiper junior. 388 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: He has JC Horn landing with the Cardinals at number sixteen. 389 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: And if you are a corner selected in the first round. 390 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: Don't forget Patrick Peterson, well, he was a top ten pick. 391 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: He was number five overall. You can play these guys, 392 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: not saying that you're not going to add a veteran 393 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: to help, but if you're more comfortable in starting a 394 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: rookie at wide receiver and at corner as opposed to 395 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: at center or guard, then I think that's what the 396 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: Cardinals might be looking to do here in free agency. 397 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: Because what do we talk about as far as needs 398 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: go in into this offseason in no particular order, A playmaker, 399 00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: wide receiver, interior offensive line, the right side. If you 400 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: want to include the tackle position, defensive line, edge rusher, 401 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: and corner. Well, the Cardinals have checked the bar box 402 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: as far as defensive line slash edge rusher. So what's next? 403 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: And I'm kind of an agreement with you, MJ. I 404 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: would like to see this team go out and I 405 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: don't know who it is, I haven't watched tape, but 406 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: as far as getting someone to compete, who can compete 407 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: at center, at guard, maybe even at tackle to protect 408 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: your most valuable asset, Kyler Murray and the three guys 409 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: I mentioned, Lindsley Martin and Mac. They would be an upgrade, 410 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: no disrespect, they would be an upgrade, and just based 411 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: on experience and with the teams they've been with. I 412 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: mean again, you know Mason Cole was a third round pick. 413 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: This had to be difficult for Coogs because obviously he 414 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: played with his son. But how I've always said, and 415 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: I think you can agree, they're going to play the 416 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: best five guys. You can go out and spend money 417 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: over double digits and a center he's going to start, 418 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: But they want to create competition where position flexibility will 419 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: matter if you're that eighth lineman dressing on game day. 420 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: I think that bird gang is what you should anticipate next. 421 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: And of course we could be completely wrong. It wouldn't 422 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: be the first time. It certainly won't be the last time. 423 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: Remember we had the JJ Watt discussion ahead of it 424 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: and said, oh, there's no way it'd be a surprise. 425 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: I'd be shocked, just can't afford them. And then what 426 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: happens a week later, JJ Watt is being introduced as 427 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: an arison a cardinal. So again it's just our opinion. 428 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: But if you want to satisfy, if you believe that 429 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: retweets are a statement, by a certain quarterback. Then yes, 430 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: shore up the offensive line, shore up the defensive line. 431 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: Look for competition. I'm not saying you're going to hand 432 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: the keys to any one of these players, but you 433 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: want competition on your offensive line, the center position, moving over, 434 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: right guard, right tackle. And I think running back is 435 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: something that's like a look at now. You could do 436 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: it in both free agency in the draft. I do 437 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: think the Carlinals will draft a running back. I don't 438 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: think it will be in the first round. Depending on 439 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: what they do in the first round will dictate what 440 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: they do in rounds two and three. And that's why 441 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: I think it's important to move back and try to 442 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: get an extra pick. But and I know everyone's gonna 443 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: like Harris and the Clemson running back Travis Ett. Yeah, 444 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: I mean those guys probably go in the first round. 445 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: I get it. But they got Chase Edmonds. We'll see 446 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: what the depth looks like. But there are some veteran 447 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: running backs, and I gotta think some of these guys 448 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: are gonna to take one year deals, like Carlos Hide 449 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: has taken one year deals over the I liked him 450 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: when he was in Houston, and I want to say 451 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: he was also in Cleveland, and he was in Seattle 452 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: mark Ingraham. He's thirty one, he's a short yardage back. 453 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: We talk about that third and one and fourth and one. 454 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: They want to get a egger back, and I don't 455 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: know if that happens. I think it's I definitely think 456 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: it will happen, say definitely. I assume it will happen 457 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: in the draft, just because they're not if you look 458 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: at Chase's contract and eventually they're gonna have to, you know, 459 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: extend him if they feel he's the guy, and the 460 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: comp would be Tarik Cohen. I think it was three years, 461 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: about seventeen and a half million Cohen. It was hurt 462 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: this year. He's a little bit faster, but skill set 463 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: is very summer. And I've talked to Chase about that, 464 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: and he said he thought that was a good comp 465 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: just on a player, not so much the money, but 466 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: so you're not paying them a running back position as 467 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: much as you were paying last year. You gave Drake 468 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: eight point four, and then you had obviously some guys 469 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: on some rookie deals, eno Benjamin, even though he didn't play, 470 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: he was he was still on the fifty three man roster. 471 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: So you can go a little bit heavier at different positions, 472 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: and by drafting a running back or signing a free 473 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,719 Speaker 1: agent running back on a one year deal, Now all 474 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you can spend more money maybe at 475 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: the wide receiver position or even the tight end position 476 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: if you choose to, and with those contracts, maybe throw 477 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: in some incentives. I think teams might elect to do 478 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: that more. The reports are out that there are incentives 479 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: in JJ watts contract. You hit a certain number of 480 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: sacks a season, then all of a sudden, you're making 481 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: more money. And I think that's how you become creative 482 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: in this salary cap off season in which you don't 483 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: have a lot of money to spend. You throw in 484 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: and look, we like you a lot, but we have 485 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: to get some protection for ourselves. We don't want to 486 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: be playing paying a player that's not playing. We're not 487 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: paying you to sit on the sidelines as a fan. 488 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: We want you on the field. So there's the incentive. 489 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: If you're healthy and productive, then you're going to get 490 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: some more money. And if I'm not mistaken, if JJ 491 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: a Lot does hit that and everyone wins, there, I 492 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: mean she's been productive. I don't think that that incentive, 493 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: the achievable incentive comes against a salary cap. Now there's 494 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: a reserve for that because a lot of times you 495 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: just kind of, you know, you got to get twelve 496 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: sacks or fifteen sacks, and it's probably hard to get it. 497 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: But if he gets ten or more, he's going to 498 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: get a million dollars. And you're right, I think it 499 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: started a few years ago just because you're on the 500 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: fifty three and let's say you came in and making 501 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: one million dollars as your base. If you're I'm the 502 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: fifty three and you're active on game day, you can 503 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: make fifty thousand and fifty five thousand per game and 504 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: we're talking about seventeen games in upcoming seasons. So there's 505 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: ways where you can, you know, reward the player for 506 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: being a on the roster and then being active on 507 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: game day. So that's another way you can sweeten the 508 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: pot a little bit. And really it's on the player 509 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: at that point, because yes, it's great to be on 510 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: the fifty three, but you want to be playing on 511 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: game day. Also, on the subject of free agents, come 512 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: mentioned the twenty eight and pending free agents that the 513 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: Cardinals have, and here we are on March third, and 514 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: typically you see some of these names already resigned. No 515 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: one has resigned. Kan mentioned though that they would like 516 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: a lot of these players to return. Of course, some 517 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: would have to or at this point like to hit 518 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: free agency and see what the market dictates. But if 519 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: you're looking at the twenty eight unrestricted free agents, considering 520 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: what the Cardinals need or the perceived need MJ. Where 521 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: do you see as far as guys that we know of, 522 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: I mean the Arizona Cardinals players that you would like 523 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: to see back in uniform this coming season. Well, but 524 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: J J. Watt's going to provide I don't know what 525 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: that means for a sign Reddick. I think Reddick's earned 526 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: the right to go out there and see what he's worth. 527 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: And somebody couldn't pay any ten million a year, So 528 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: I would try to retain Marcus Golden. You know, I'm 529 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: not picking and just give being realistic when it comes 530 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: to the salary cap, and both guys want to be here. 531 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: But you know, Golden is obviously tested free agency in 532 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: the last couple of years. It hasn't worked out for him. 533 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: He loves being here. This is the first time a 534 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: son is going to taste that. Then Kelvin Beacham, I 535 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: thought he did a nice job last year. Now I 536 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: didn't ask Steve what is the latest on Marcus Gilbert? 537 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: As you mentioned, he just got married, so but he 538 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 1: was there, one of their better linemen, and he got 539 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: hurt on a Thursday before the opener two years ago. 540 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: So I like Beacham, and I think that allows them 541 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: to put Justin Murray in there. And then he did 542 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: talk about Josh Jones and he's talked about the position flexibility. 543 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: Let me throw two other names, one offense and one defense, 544 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: the defensive player. I know it's a tricky one, but 545 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: I've been on the bandwagon to get Patrick Peterson back 546 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: in the fold. I don't know what it's going to take, 547 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: but because right now you do need veteran help at 548 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: that cornerback position, because right now all you have is 549 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: Byron Murphy with a big question mark of Robert Alford. 550 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: Can you go out and maybe get Jonathan Joseph Drake 551 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: Kerpatrick to come back? Sure, but that's probably later down 552 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: the line. I would love for the Cardinals and Patrick 553 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: Peterson to come to some kind of agreements one year deal, 554 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: prove it and then we're having this discussion all over again, 555 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: or a two or a three year deal. We know 556 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: he would prefer to stay here. Yet at the same time, 557 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: I'm not going to fault anyone for trying to make 558 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: his most money. As you can. The other name on 559 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: the offensive end is Dan Arnold a tied end, but 560 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: he is to become an unrestricted free agent. I'd like 561 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: to see him come back with Max Williams, who's the 562 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: only other tied end that is under contract for next season. 563 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: Because of that chemistry that we've seen between quarterback and 564 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: Arnold as far as that another big target, whether it's 565 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: down the middle or in the end zone, that chemistry 566 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: was immediate and I'd like for that to continue. I 567 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: don't want to see the Cardinals lose Dan Arnold after 568 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: the amount of work that quarterback and tight end have 569 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: put together to get to this point. As far as 570 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: being able to talk about their chemistry. You know, once 571 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: we get to this point, clearly you know agents. I 572 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: mean normally it happens at the combine. You walk through 573 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: the lobby and you see agents talking to gms and owners. Well, 574 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: you got to think that you know, Reddick may have 575 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: an idea of what he's going to get so and 576 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: I'm not comparing Patrick Peterson to Reddick or even a 577 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: guy I'm going to mention right now, Rodney Gunter. The 578 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: feelings go out there and see what you're worth and 579 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: are you willing to come back? And we're not asking 580 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: so much for the hometown discount. And Gunter finally he 581 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: got a deal with the Jacksonville Jaguars, unfortunately at a 582 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: hard issue, and so he wasn't able to play this 583 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: past season. And I think they're going to do that 584 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: with Patrick Peterson. I think, you know, I don't know, 585 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: are the Cardinals willing to pay him eleven million a year? 586 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: I think so. I mean, I think you can fit 587 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: that in a positional spending considering. You know, you've got 588 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: a young safety under contract, the Thompson twins and Boots 589 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: under contract. And then he does he go out and 590 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: get two years twenty five million, fifteen guaranteed, and he's 591 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: going to make a decision based on his future. He's 592 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: better off playing in his own I think he's maintained that. 593 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if he wants to play a man 594 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: man defense. And so now you start limiting how many 595 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: teams and I'm sure other teams see his name on 596 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: the page. I think it was D'Angelo Hall. He ranked 597 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: his top T ten DBS, Justin Simmons, safety, Patrick Peterson, 598 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: Richard Sherman, Shaquille Griffin, Marcus May who's represented by Eric Burkhart, 599 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: he's a safety, Josh Johnson the third, Marcus Williams, William 600 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: Jackson the third, Anthony Harrison, Mike Hilton, so he a 601 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: former player has him number two, and it only takes 602 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: one team. So, like I said, if somebody's gonna offer 603 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: from two years, twenty five, twelve to fifteen bonus and 604 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: the Cardinals, I don't you know, if they're offering eleven 605 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: maybe on a one or two year deal, he's gonna 606 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: have to make a decision. So it's gonna be interesting. 607 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: But I do think they're gonna let these guys test 608 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: the waters and see what they're worth, and then will 609 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: they give them the option to either match or will 610 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: they say like they had that conversation that Virtram Vurry 611 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: was involved in when Tom Comdon called Klais back and 612 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: Clais to call him one more time, and he said, Clais, 613 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: they wish you luck. I mean, that's that's how it is. 614 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: So there's there's negotiation going back and forth, but these 615 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: players feel like, you know, well, it's my time to 616 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: cash in. Redd could be a prime example. Go see 617 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: what you're worth. Then, Yeah, that's the business aspects of this. Now, 618 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: there is one other free agent that people consistently ask 619 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: about MJ. Do you know who it is? 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So, 628 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: who is that one free agent that we have yet 629 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: to talk about that everyone else talks about as far 630 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: as whether or not we will see him in a 631 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: Cardinals uniform in twenty twenty one? Larry Fitzgerald bingo the 632 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: latest on fits here as we talk on March third 633 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: time asked about fitz and yes, he has talked to 634 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald quote quite a bit, but nothing to report 635 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: at this time. End quote MJ. This is the latest 636 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: that Number eleven has ever taken to make this decision 637 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 1: on whether or not to continue playing his eighteenth season. 638 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 1: Certainly we would all love to see him back on 639 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: the field. The question is when will we know? And 640 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: I did find it interesting that Kim said that he 641 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: did not think or it did not need to be 642 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 1: known by the starts of free agency March seventeenth, which 643 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: to me, I would think if I'm the one managing 644 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: the salary cap, I would want to know unless there 645 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: is an number that they have in mind that they're 646 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: just going to plug it right there and not touch, 647 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: not worry about. Call it a rainy day fund, call 648 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: it the Larry Fitzgerald fund that that is reserved for him. 649 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 1: If he comes back, great, If not, hey look at that, 650 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,280 Speaker 1: we got this money now we can go and spend 651 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,399 Speaker 1: so bottom line, no new news and there is no 652 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,959 Speaker 1: pressure on fits to make a decision. What if Larry 653 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald never makes a decision, Like, we get to April 654 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: and he hasn't made a decision. We get to April, 655 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: we get to May, we get to June, and what 656 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: if he just rides off from the sunset and tell anyone, yeah, 657 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: it just and he doesn't because when he decides to retire, 658 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: that's the clock will start kicking. You know, we five 659 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: years to get into Pro Football Hall of Fame and 660 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: you'd have to turn in your retirement papers. So maybe 661 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: he hasn't even thought about that kind of stuff. But 662 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: maybe we don't hear from Maybe I don't know. I 663 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: mean I still lean that. I still lean that I 664 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: know that the way the season ended, but I think 665 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: you got to look at the totality of his career. 666 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: We know he wants to get back to the postseason. 667 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: There's no guarantees, but obviously a better roster, better outcome hopefully. 668 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: But I still think he was leaning with hanging it up. 669 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 1: But at this point, I'm just guessing. So I don't 670 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: have any insight. Well, and then there's this scenario you 671 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: just kind of quote unquote right off into the sunset, 672 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: but you do let the team know, Hey, you know 673 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 1: what my guess is right now, No, just go along 674 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: and plan without me, and then maybe, you know what, 675 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: maybe there's an injury, maybe something happens, maybe there's a 676 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 1: trade opportunity, that opens up a spot and you say, 677 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,479 Speaker 1: you know what fits. You didn't have to work during 678 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: the offseason, don't worry about training camp week one. If 679 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: you want to suit up, there's our another wide receiver 680 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: that we can throw on the field for a handful 681 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: of snaps here or there, because we do know whether 682 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 1: or not he does if he does come back. MJ. 683 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: He can't be your number two wide receiver because by 684 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: the time he makes his decision, or even put it 685 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: this way, by the time we get the training camp, 686 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 1: this team had better addressed that wide receiver position next 687 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: to DeAndre Hopkins and Christian Kirk, meaning it can't be 688 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,399 Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald as your other playmaker. I'm sorry, I hate 689 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: to say it out loud, but based off what we 690 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: saw last season and what we saw in the postseason 691 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: as far as playmakers that quarterbacks need to throw too, 692 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 1: maybe yes, he can be utilized a little bit better. 693 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,800 Speaker 1: But I want to see someone that's a definitive number two, 694 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: whether that is free agency or the draft, and if 695 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,240 Speaker 1: you do have the luxury of a Larry Fitzgerald, great, 696 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: let's use him. So I just don't want that to 697 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: be the answer when we talk about the number two 698 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: wide wide receiver next to Hopkins. I mean we're approaching 699 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: an offseason that maybe Patrick Peterson won't be on the 700 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: roster and possibly Larry Fitzgerald for retirement reasons, and that 701 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: you talk about you know Patrick's I think he's got 702 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: Ring of Honor credentials, eight time Pro bowler. Yes, we're 703 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: gonna remember the last couple of years. But again, I'm 704 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: a big body of workout when you start looking at 705 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: their entire careers, and we know Larry he's definitely a 706 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: Hall of first ballot Hall of Famer and Patrick may 707 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: not get in early, but you know, depending on how 708 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 1: he finishes his career. But that's the changing of the guard. 709 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: We know Larry passed the towards to Kyler Murray when 710 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: he became the quarterback. So and maybe you know JJ 711 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: Watt takes a bigger role just because of his personality 712 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,479 Speaker 1: and his credentials and his leadership. So interesting to see, 713 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: but you're talking about some guys that were cardinal fixtures 714 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 1: for a long long time. Yeah, two cornerstones, one on offense, 715 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,720 Speaker 1: one on defense. That certainly would be odd to see 716 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,240 Speaker 1: someone not in their uniform but just on their side 717 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,720 Speaker 1: of the field lining up, whether it's in the slot 718 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: or the outside. And then in P two's case, you know, 719 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,839 Speaker 1: opposite a number one wide receiver. It it certainly would 720 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: be jarring about as jarring as it's going to see 721 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: JJ Watt number ninety nine in a Cardinals uniform. Let's 722 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: bring this show full circle. We talked about JJ Watt 723 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: and the Reggie White comparison that Watt made, but something 724 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: that Come brought up and was asked with respects to 725 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: how this team was able to land JJ Watt. And 726 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: remember what Watt said when asked about Kyler Murray. Quote 727 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: he texted Murray quote, I'm here because I believe in you. 728 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 1: Come doubled down to a certain extent, saying that the 729 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 1: only reason the Cardinals were in the game as a 730 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: consideration for a landing spot for JJ Watt was because 731 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: of Kyler Murray. Well, this coincides with we hurt and 732 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:02,720 Speaker 1: now we have confirmation. And again I have to mention 733 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that were in the running, Aaron Rodgers, Josh 734 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: Allen Baker, Mayfield, Ryan Tannehill. I don't know if I'm 735 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 1: missing anybody. You know, those seem like the top teams 736 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,399 Speaker 1: unless there was a sleeper team, and I guess there 737 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: was a sleeper team that was the Cardinals. The addition 738 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: to what Kim said, you know, talking about Murray a 739 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,280 Speaker 1: player we can win it all with, and I'm sure 740 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: that excited JJ. Now you can argue bird Gang that 741 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,879 Speaker 1: there might be teams closer to that ring. But as 742 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: we've seen in the National Football League, it doesn't take 743 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: much for a team to go worst to first, out 744 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: of the playoffs, into the playoffs, out of the playoffs, 745 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 1: into the playoffs, into the Super Bowl conversation, because sometimes 746 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: it is just one player or one season or in 747 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: this case the Kingsbury Murray benched Joseph three years into 748 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 1: this project, we should definitely start seeing not just a foundation, 749 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: but some semblance of a house, almost a finished product, 750 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: if you will. We've seen steps, but now it's that 751 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: next step. Dare I say, maybe that final step, and 752 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 1: that's the that's got to be the focus going into 753 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: the offseason, because you know, and again, the only other 754 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,360 Speaker 1: team that was shown interest from the NFC would have 755 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 1: been the Packers. So I mean, I think it's it 756 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: was good for him to change conferences. I don't know 757 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: if that was a deciding factor. I do think the 758 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: weather played a role. Just as you get older and 759 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: you get up in the morning and go outside and 760 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: you don't have to shovel snow, not that he had 761 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,879 Speaker 1: to do that, but you're walking front of your car 762 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: into the facility and your bones start to feel a 763 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,240 Speaker 1: little bit. Sure. So I think there's a lot of factors, 764 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: but I do think having that franchise quarterback made that 765 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,399 Speaker 1: decision to where I'm on board and I can base 766 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: on his comments. He was totally on board, knowing that 767 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,280 Speaker 1: the respect was both for Kyler Murray and JJ Watt 768 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: and the excitement, the energy that we have all felt 769 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,799 Speaker 1: since Monday is going to continue all the way through 770 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,760 Speaker 1: the off season and into the regular season and hopefully 771 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: ends with where we all want to see the Cardinals, 772 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: and that is in the post season. Before we put 773 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented 774 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,800 Speaker 1: by Hunday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, This Bird 775 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 1: Gang is Show number four hundred. Thank you first and 776 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 1: foremost to everyone here with the Cardinals, and then to 777 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 1: you Bird Gang. We are not here without your supports. 778 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 1: The Arizona Cardinals certainly a lot to talk about. With 779 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: this team good times and in bad times. We're here 780 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 1: to chronicle at all the good the bad, but certainly 781 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,399 Speaker 1: most importantly, we are here for you to entertain and 782 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: also a little knowledge and information as well, So we 783 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: could not do it without you as well, and appreciate 784 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: you allowing us to come into your living rooms or 785 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 1: your car or however you listen to Cardinals Cover two. 786 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: Even though it's the off season, I mean the way 787 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,800 Speaker 1: I look at it as the NFL calendar, there's always 788 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: something going on. And once we get through free agency 789 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 1: and it's already started for the Cardinals, let me get 790 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,359 Speaker 1: to the draft. So we'll let you know what we 791 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 1: think and then what we hear. And as Craig said, 792 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: we definitely like the feedback, and you know, we enjoy 793 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: doing the show, so it's always great to have fans interacting, 794 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: whether it's on Twitter or social media. Of course, we 795 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 1: couldn't do it without the man behind the scenes are 796 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: executive producer Jim Amahundro as well. Appreciate him guiding the ship, 797 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: if you will. And on that note, we will now 798 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: put a lid on show number four hundred. Special thanks 799 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 1: to Almo for Mike Drecky I'm Greig Real loup Berg Gang. 800 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time you're on Cardinals cover two.