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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways, I don't understand it, stories of things we
Speaker 1: simply don't know the answer too. Hey there, everybody, and
Speaker 1: welcome again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I am Steve,
Speaker 1: of course, joined by Devin and Joe. Did you too
Speaker 1: not know your name suddenly? No? We do this every
Speaker 1: time you know it's the fake name. It throws me on.
Speaker 1: I know as all. We've got another mystery for you,
Speaker 1: and this week we're going to talk about who tried
Speaker 1: to assassinate Bob Marley. Yeah that you didn't know that
Speaker 1: was a mystery, did you. Yeah. I was really kind
Speaker 1: of surprised when I found out about it. It's pretty cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is this part of your like transformation into a Rastafarian
Speaker 1: with your little bracelet and yell hair tie. Yeah? And
Speaker 1: I'm growing my dreads you Yeah, at least I'm not
Speaker 1: wearing that the hat with the fake dreads on it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh that's the worst. Okay, well, our story is, uh,
Speaker 1: the short of it is that in nineteen seventies six
Speaker 1: three gunmen drove onto Bob Marley's property in Jamaica and
Speaker 1: open fire with automatic weapons and shot Bob. They shot
Speaker 1: his wife. I believe one other person at least was shot,
Speaker 1: but nobody was killed. Yeah, it's amazing. Three guys with
Speaker 1: with guns and everything and they didn't hit very much. No, well,
Speaker 1: it really does appear to kind of have been a
Speaker 1: stick a gun around the corner and fire situation. There
Speaker 1: wasn't a whole lot of aiming going on from what
Speaker 1: I could tell. But the thing is is that we
Speaker 1: know it happened, but we don't know who did it
Speaker 1: or why, who ordered it, why did they do it,
Speaker 1: who committed the act? We don't know any of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a total unsolved mystery totally, which is convenient actually
Speaker 1: what we talk about. We did talk about that stuff,
Speaker 1: but you know why. Yeah, I did a little check
Speaker 1: and it turns out that murder is the national past
Speaker 1: dive in Jamaica, and so that well, yeah, at that
Speaker 1: time it was a pretty rough and tumble place and
Speaker 1: we're going to get into some of that though. We
Speaker 1: have had our internal discussions about this and find it
Speaker 1: a little difficult to believe. There are some folks who
Speaker 1: don't really know who Bob is. Probably tell those people
Speaker 1: who Bob Marley was. Okay, Bob Marley was. He was
Speaker 1: a Jamaican singer. He was, he was, you know, he's
Speaker 1: he would call him a singer, songwriter, guitarists, band leader,
Speaker 1: social activist. I mean he did. He kind of fell
Speaker 1: into every one of those categories. And uh he started
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty three performing with the band the Whalers.
Speaker 1: There's quite a few famous and talented people that were
Speaker 1: in the band that started out. So you may have
Speaker 1: heard of Bunny Whaler or Peter Tosh. Not not Tosha
Speaker 1: Tosha point now no, no, definitely not that guy. Definitely
Speaker 1: another Just to make it very clear, very clear. But
Speaker 1: they were all very, very talented musicians and they wanted
Speaker 1: to to reform and they started making records. Reggae wasn't
Speaker 1: a musical style at the time. It developed over time.
Speaker 1: So the first couple of records that they put out,
Speaker 1: they were more singles and or B sides is what
Speaker 1: it would have been. But it was they slowly developed
Speaker 1: and figured out who they were. But if you haven't
Speaker 1: listened to reggae before, pauses right now. But I mean really,
Speaker 1: go ahead and pause. No, you have to wait until
Speaker 1: you tell you what to do. Pause us. You need
Speaker 1: to go listen to some reggae. Bob Marley and the
Speaker 1: Whaler's Jimmy Cliff is not a good one. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll do good things for your stress level, really reducing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: only the music, none of the other things that go within.
Speaker 1: Definitely not. Okay, So you can pause it now. Okay,
Speaker 1: so now we're back. Thanks for pausing. Y'all are calm now? Goods.
Speaker 1: That's that's part of that's part of the whole rig. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the lore, and it is part of it. It's
Speaker 1: part of it. It's part of it. Borland argon, it's legal. Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 1: So the other thing I was going to mention is
Speaker 1: that some people might have heard of this particular story
Speaker 1: that we're gonna talk about today, and that's because there's
Speaker 1: a book that's really popular right now. It's called A
Speaker 1: Brief History of Seven Killings by Marlon James. What a
Speaker 1: booker man or that that's fictional, correct? It is totally fictional,
Speaker 1: with a lot of there's there's truth sprinkled throughout the
Speaker 1: whole thing. But to the point that I'm making is
Speaker 1: that it is a fictional accounting. So I want people
Speaker 1: to understand that. So if you've read it, be aware
Speaker 1: of that, because some of the stuff we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about may not jibe with what you think you've learned.
Speaker 1: Because it was a book told from the perspective of
Speaker 1: like seventy five different characters. Well, that gets complicated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a big freaking book. It's taking me a long
Speaker 1: time to read. But anyway, back to Bob. So, he
Speaker 1: was born in uh Nesta Robert Marley in a village
Speaker 1: known as nine Mile, which is in the St. Anne Parish.
Speaker 1: His parents were kind of a it was kind of
Speaker 1: an odd situation. His father was white, his mother was black.
Speaker 1: His mother was eighteen, his father was sixty. Yeah, and um,
Speaker 1: his father's name was his mother's name was Sidela. His
Speaker 1: father was Norvil, and evidently Norvill had several children. This way,
Speaker 1: he would meet a younger woman and then he would
Speaker 1: move on. The moving on part is important to understand
Speaker 1: because he really wasn't involved in Bob Marley's life at all,
Speaker 1: and I think he was around a couple of times
Speaker 1: and that was it, but he passed away when Bob
Speaker 1: was ten. When Bob was twelve, he and his mother
Speaker 1: moved to Kingston. They went to an area of Kingston
Speaker 1: known as Trench Town. That sounds nice. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a let's just be honest, it was a slum. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty positive it is. But it's there that Bob
Speaker 1: Marley would meet Bunny Whaler and Peter Tosh and eventually
Speaker 1: they would go on to form the Whalers. When they
Speaker 1: were recording together and doing reggae, I think they put
Speaker 1: out about a dozen records Ballpark between nineteen seventy I
Speaker 1: think it was seventy or seventy three is when their
Speaker 1: first one came out, And that was up until Bob's
Speaker 1: death in so they put out a lot of records
Speaker 1: in that time. But he they made it. Like I said,
Speaker 1: they made a whole bunch of others. Prior to that,
Speaker 1: they were just a completely different musical style because they
Speaker 1: were trying to figure out what their style was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: totally exactly. You might You might really know Barb Marley
Speaker 1: best for his cover that famous Eric Clapton song about
Speaker 1: the shaff yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's a pretty famous one.
Speaker 1: It's really famous. What was it, Soldier on the radio?
Speaker 1: Just yeah, another good one. See, there's a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of them everybody. Once you start doing is you start
Speaker 1: realizing how many of them you know, and there's a
Speaker 1: ton of them. Yeah. So we we've talked about Bob,
Speaker 1: we should probably talk about what was going on in
Speaker 1: Jamaica at the time because it was kind of a
Speaker 1: bad situation. Thanks for going to Hell on a handbasketuse Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really were. So the history of jim Aca is
Speaker 1: pretty much four hundred plus years of oppression because the
Speaker 1: Spanish came in none other than Christopher Columbus quote unquote
Speaker 1: discovered Jamaica and the Spaniards were there for about hundred
Speaker 1: years and then they lost using air quotes here, lost
Speaker 1: the island to the British and it became a British
Speaker 1: isle for another ballpark three hundred years. Right. So, really,
Speaker 1: what we're saying is that it's the kind of typical
Speaker 1: history of a lot of countries in that like Europeans
Speaker 1: came in and kind of screwed things up. Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: Slavery was a total thing. Plantations yep, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: until you know, the the British ended slavery in eighty three,
Speaker 1: so they were thirty years ahead of us on that front.
Speaker 1: But then Jamaica wouldn't actually get its freedom from Britain
Speaker 1: or no longer be under British rule until nineteen that's
Speaker 1: when it became it got its full independence. And actually
Speaker 1: they're not independent, Uh they're what are they still are
Speaker 1: considered British Commonwealth? Is that what thanks on there? And
Speaker 1: they're uh legally at least there there uh their laws
Speaker 1: at the highest level there that's Supreme Court and in
Speaker 1: a sense is actually the Privy Council back in England. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So if you're say, sentenced to death for a crime
Speaker 1: in Jamaica, and it goes through whatever appeals happened in Jamaica,
Speaker 1: and then the last review is done by the Privy
Speaker 1: Council back in London, which may or may not set
Speaker 1: aside your death sentence. I didn't know that. Yeah crazy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. So anyway, like I said, it was two
Speaker 1: when the country got its independence, and it became very
Speaker 1: apparent quite quickly that there was a huge inequality problem.
Speaker 1: Not surprisingly, no, no, and and it was. It's it's
Speaker 1: still there in terms of there's a lot of issues,
Speaker 1: and it's inequality amongst the people, distrust of their leaders.
Speaker 1: There's you know, bribery going on, there's all kinds of collusion,
Speaker 1: lots of things like that. So it's a it's a
Speaker 1: problem because if you don't have a solid government, then
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna trust it, and then everybody wants their piece
Speaker 1: of the pie. Yeah, it's it's actually kind of a
Speaker 1: typical thing, like like kind of like ward politics here
Speaker 1: in America way back in the day, where you know,
Speaker 1: the one party had as supporters who you know, who
Speaker 1: are all you know, for the most part, armed and violent,
Speaker 1: and the other party had their supporters and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of patron age, and so every every election is
Speaker 1: a huge deal because so much, so much is writing
Speaker 1: on it because property rights are not particularly respected in
Speaker 1: countries like this. You know, that means you could lose
Speaker 1: everything with the wrong guy wins the election. So a
Speaker 1: lot of people, you know, that's why there's so much
Speaker 1: tension in countries like this over elections. Well, and the
Speaker 1: elections were always a huge source of tension once they
Speaker 1: had started having them, once they started having their own
Speaker 1: and the problem was, of course, is that outside interests
Speaker 1: immediately started trying to exert their force. I will say
Speaker 1: when take advantage, Yeah, take advantage of the situation, makes
Speaker 1: some money off of it, take advantage of their industry
Speaker 1: and their labor um, and at the same time try
Speaker 1: and influence their politics so that it's what they want.
Speaker 1: And I when I say they am very specifically saying
Speaker 1: the US and communist Russia, because those were the two
Speaker 1: forces that were really pushing on it at that time
Speaker 1: to a certain extent. Also, yeah, well I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: that's exactly it as Cuba is what like ninety miles away,
Speaker 1: So to the to the Americans, this is a terrible
Speaker 1: thing to suddenly have another communist nation ninety miles away
Speaker 1: that's still super close to us, and you know, so
Speaker 1: of course everybody's just kind of having a full blown
Speaker 1: panic attack over it. And so that's why everybody goes
Speaker 1: in there, and a lot of hinky things that are
Speaker 1: still in effect today because of the things that countries
Speaker 1: did are there. So I mean there's well, there's the
Speaker 1: CIA did a lot of supposedly of course, they went
Speaker 1: in and they siphoned drugs into the country, they dumped
Speaker 1: guns into the country and created these gangs to try
Speaker 1: and be their foot soldiers on the ground. And then
Speaker 1: of course once they were done with them, they left,
Speaker 1: But the gangs don't just you know, miraculously disappear, so
Speaker 1: then they create a criminal organization that has stayed there.
Speaker 1: Now you hear it said that the CIA did all this.
Speaker 1: Whether that's true or not, I don't know, to be honest. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're actually there isn't really any evidence that it is true.
Speaker 1: And I know that one of the characters we're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about as the prime minister in when the
Speaker 1: shooting happened, it was Michael Manly minister. He said that
Speaker 1: the CIA had nothing to do with the destabilization of
Speaker 1: the country. That's what he said. And apparently that accusation
Speaker 1: originated with Cuba. They made they actually first leveled in
Speaker 1: that the CIA was there. They said that the CIA
Speaker 1: and the JAILP, which is one of the parties which
Speaker 1: we're about to go into, the political party, they said
Speaker 1: that they were working in league together to destabilize the
Speaker 1: country and to and to take the government away from
Speaker 1: the p n P, which is the other party. And
Speaker 1: not yet that that was the accusation that Cuba made
Speaker 1: in and it's still with us today. But I read
Speaker 1: an article by a Jamaican journalist whose name was Ken Chaplin,
Speaker 1: and he recounts this whole history of the Cubans raising
Speaker 1: that issue and uh and he said at the time
Speaker 1: and even today he really not. So no reason to
Speaker 1: believe it because there's no evidence in number two, the Cubans,
Speaker 1: you know, okay, and drugs and money find their way
Speaker 1: to lands, yeah, quite easily. It doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: the work of the ciall especially islands that are as
Speaker 1: close to South America or you know, you are so
Speaker 1: well placed in between South America and North America for
Speaker 1: instance right way stations, and plus actually Jamaica was a
Speaker 1: great way station put a cocaine trade into Britain. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because coke. You can get more for your pound for
Speaker 1: pound for your coke in Britain than you can in
Speaker 1: other European countries or or America talking about pound or
Speaker 1: the note, so kilogram for pound, yes, yea. So there's
Speaker 1: there's something to keep in mind when we're talking about this.
Speaker 1: This is why some of our listeners have been calling
Speaker 1: for Joe to start his own second podcast to just
Speaker 1: explain the world. Somebody been doing that. Yeah, okay, well
Speaker 1: let's come down that you've you've whetted everybody's appetite. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about the political parties that we've got. So the
Speaker 1: first one is going to be the People's National Party,
Speaker 1: which is the p MP, and then there's the Jamaican
Speaker 1: Labor Party which is the j LP. So the j
Speaker 1: l P was in power, they won the first election
Speaker 1: after the Brits left. They controlled the political system. They
Speaker 1: were in power for ten years and they yeah it is,
Speaker 1: but then they lost control in ninety two when the
Speaker 1: p MP took the seat. So now you've you've got
Speaker 1: a party that's been in trench for ten years. So
Speaker 1: they definitely want to get their their power back. And
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot of things that happened, and
Speaker 1: again this isn't a nation where things are sometimes kind
Speaker 1: of fast and loose. There was some of those political
Speaker 1: games that you hear about, you know, from gun pointed
Speaker 1: at you version of who you're going to vote for,
Speaker 1: to straight up ballot fraud stuffing boxes. I mean, this
Speaker 1: stuff happened and it was really it was a crappy
Speaker 1: situation that we usually get voting a gunpoint. You're in America,
Speaker 1: but still plenty of fraud that goes here there is.
Speaker 1: So Bob Marley plays into this part in an odd
Speaker 1: sort of way because he became more and more popular,
Speaker 1: and more and more people paid attention to what Bob
Speaker 1: Marley said than what the politicians said, so he was
Speaker 1: a pretty important figure that way. He had also he
Speaker 1: and his wife in nineteen seventy two had backed Michael
Speaker 1: Manley of the PMP when they won. Believed because Bob
Speaker 1: Marley said the PMP and Michael Manley are the ones
Speaker 1: to do it, everybody voted for them. Now we move
Speaker 1: up to the next election, which is nineteen seventy six,
Speaker 1: except by this point Bob Marley is not such a
Speaker 1: big fan of Manly and wasn't willing to endorse him
Speaker 1: or his party kind of tried to stay neutral. He
Speaker 1: really did his Uh so, Bob Marley, I didn't get
Speaker 1: to go to it, but you can go to his
Speaker 1: estate and I think it's on fifty six Hope Road
Speaker 1: as the address, and he evidently made it kind of
Speaker 1: a neutral ground and everybody could come. And so he
Speaker 1: was in this weird in between because people came and
Speaker 1: talked to him from both sides, and so he didn't
Speaker 1: really want to uh to foul that up by endorsing
Speaker 1: one side for the other. Plus for whatever reasons, you know,
Speaker 1: whether he you know, its personal beliefs or what, he
Speaker 1: didn't want to get on board with anybody. It probably
Speaker 1: should point out to I did a little research and
Speaker 1: you probably have to. But in the time between when
Speaker 1: the Brits left and this election, the hour base for
Speaker 1: most of the politicians was basically urban gangs, sneak gangs,
Speaker 1: and they were called garrisons, and they controlled actually controlled
Speaker 1: areas of Kingston and the city was divided up, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And that the politicians were dependent upon the garrisons or
Speaker 1: the gangs. Then that the bosses, who were called don's
Speaker 1: to basically raise votes for them and in return, of course,
Speaker 1: they got lots of favors and lots of looking the
Speaker 1: other way and that kind of thing, which is why
Speaker 1: the situation becomes so volatile and so dangerous because these
Speaker 1: guys were armed to the teeth, all of them. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons that murder has become
Speaker 1: the national pastime in Jamaica. It is because of this. Well,
Speaker 1: did did either of you guys ever watch any of
Speaker 1: the footage from that time and see the fighting? It was?
Speaker 1: It's a it's amazing in a I can't believe this
Speaker 1: is real way, because there's a guy literally running behind
Speaker 1: a car and shooting a handgun and just running the
Speaker 1: other direction and firing behind him. It's just like, are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Well straight, it's in the middle of
Speaker 1: a city. It's amazing to me. But that's that's what
Speaker 1: was going on. Yeah, I think I just peaked the
Speaker 1: murder rate. Annual murder rate was like sixty eight hundred thousand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was huge. I found it an interesting fact to
Speaker 1: it the countries in the world with the highest murder rate,
Speaker 1: fifteen of those countries are Caribbean countries. Really, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: talking like not just islands, of course, we're talking about
Speaker 1: also things like in the Guatemala and Honduras and all that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, well, I do you know. One of
Speaker 1: the things that I was reading about was the fact
Speaker 1: that crime one of the problems for the Jamaicans is
Speaker 1: they can't solve crimes because they don't have enough space
Speaker 1: in the morgue. In other words, they're so busy processing
Speaker 1: bodies that they don't have time to do a thorough examination,
Speaker 1: to collect evidence to then turn over to the cops
Speaker 1: to then hunt somebody down. So when you're in that situation,
Speaker 1: you know, you can blow somebody away and the chances
Speaker 1: of getting caught are pretty small at that boy. Yeah. Plus,
Speaker 1: actually most of their more actually don't have refrigeration, so
Speaker 1: by the time they get around to doing an autopsy,
Speaker 1: if they do, it's pretty well deteriorated. Yeah. Plus, apparently
Speaker 1: a lot of pathologists are actually afraid to do autopsies
Speaker 1: for obvious reasons. Yeah. Yeah, no, I can I can
Speaker 1: see that. If you want to go kill somebody, I
Speaker 1: guess that's the place to go. We've steered way off
Speaker 1: a topic here. It's kind of on topic. It's kind
Speaker 1: of on topic. Um okay, so let me let me
Speaker 1: do this. We're gonna kind of finish up with some
Speaker 1: of this in terms of the political stuff. So I
Speaker 1: talked about that there was that whole supposed thing of
Speaker 1: the c i A being in the country. Well, Michael
Speaker 1: o'manley was running against the guy named Edward Sega or
Speaker 1: I've also I heard it pronounced sega. Yeah. But the
Speaker 1: thing is is that the Jamaicans loved word play, and
Speaker 1: so they changed his name because it's spelled s e
Speaker 1: A g A two c I A g a. So
Speaker 1: it was still Siga, but they were changing the way
Speaker 1: it was spelled because they believed that he was in
Speaker 1: bed with and well, you know, the may have mucked
Speaker 1: around in their election a little bit, because it's not
Speaker 1: he didn't. Yeah, so I said that that they didn't
Speaker 1: destabilize the country. I don't think they imported drugs, you know,
Speaker 1: but the fact that they might have mucked around a
Speaker 1: little bit and strong some cash here and there. Because
Speaker 1: obviously the Prime Minister Manly was cozy enough to Cuba.
Speaker 1: Well that's exactly it is that he had gone to
Speaker 1: Cuba to you know, to to kind of learn about
Speaker 1: his neighbors, and I think in a way of his
Speaker 1: neighbor's highly successful prom Yeah, basically like you know, importing poverty,
Speaker 1: agreeing poverty, losing things and breaking things. So yeah, so yeah, no,
Speaker 1: they he he went over there and that didn't go
Speaker 1: so well. According to the Americans. They didn't like that. Um,
Speaker 1: so that's something to keep in mind now, we're gonna
Speaker 1: go ahead, and I haven't given the exact date. Okay,
Speaker 1: the date that we're gonna be looking at is we're
Speaker 1: gonna be dealing with the first week of December of
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six. On the fifth of December, Bob Marley
Speaker 1: was scheduled to do a free concert for the Jamaicans
Speaker 1: for anybody who wanted to come. It was going to
Speaker 1: be called Smile Jamaica. And I was watching a really
Speaker 1: interesting documentary and I guess the way that he came
Speaker 1: up with the idea is that he had done a
Speaker 1: show with Stevie Wonder and Steve and Jamaica, and Stevie
Speaker 1: Wonder had gone ahead and taken I don't know, like
Speaker 1: a huge percentage maybe half of his profits from that,
Speaker 1: and had donated it locally. And then definitely Bob Marley went,
Speaker 1: you know, that's a good idea, and we need to
Speaker 1: get back to the people. So this all sounds great,
Speaker 1: And of course then all the politicians come to him
Speaker 1: and say, hey, let's go brand this, Let's make this
Speaker 1: a j LP, let's make this a PMP thing, and
Speaker 1: he's saying, no, I don't want to do that, except
Speaker 1: he got a little outmaneuvered because he had to he
Speaker 1: had to get official okay to do it from the government.
Speaker 1: So it was then um it was branded as being
Speaker 1: Bob Marley and the Whalers, and it was in conjunction
Speaker 1: with the Jamaican government's Cultural Office, which then means which
Speaker 1: party's in power. That means that it's a p MP event.
Speaker 1: So he got kind of out maneuvered there. The other
Speaker 1: thing that really got him is that the elections were
Speaker 1: not yet officially scheduled, and Michael manily went ahead and
Speaker 1: moved the election to about a week after the concert.
Speaker 1: I thought it moved it to the day of the concert.
Speaker 1: No U, I you I know which article you were
Speaker 1: reading to get that impression, because I had the same impression.
Speaker 1: And then when I started reading some other stuff and
Speaker 1: started doing some different research, it appears that it wasn't
Speaker 1: actually on the same day, which you know. But the
Speaker 1: point is it got moved. He got put in there,
Speaker 1: and everybody who wasn't a member of the Whalers went, oh,
Speaker 1: I see who's supporting this? Okay? I got it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: good batter and different. You know, the writing was on
Speaker 1: the wall, and too bad for Bob because obviously he
Speaker 1: didn't intend that, know, not at all. Okay, well, let's
Speaker 1: let's go to the day of the assassination tempt which
Speaker 1: was two days prior to the Jamaica Smile concerts. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna be at the third of December. N That day,
Speaker 1: as a lot of the days proceeding, it was kind
Speaker 1: of a normal day at his property. He and the
Speaker 1: whalers were practicing for the show. They were getting ready.
Speaker 1: Um am I the only one, sorry, am I the
Speaker 1: only one who like forgets to conceptualize about the fact
Speaker 1: that professional musicians still like practice practice, particularly before show
Speaker 1: like that. Just as always, I just always assumed they're
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know, I'm good at this, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it is easy to fall under that that idea. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not the only one. I'm sure. I think guys
Speaker 1: like Marley and and other musicians actually like to play.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, they really did, actually, yeah, nickelback. So during
Speaker 1: a break that evening, Bob's wife, her name is Rita Marley,
Speaker 1: by the way, she was going to take a journalist
Speaker 1: that was there to do an interview with Bob back
Speaker 1: to his hotel. And the journalist name was Leslie Miles,
Speaker 1: and as they drove to the entrance of the estate,
Speaker 1: Rita pulled over to let a car that was coming
Speaker 1: in go up the drive. As that car drove by,
Speaker 1: it opened fire, and Leslie Miles wasn't hurt at all.
Speaker 1: Rita did get hit. She took one across the top
Speaker 1: of her scalp. Basically felt, yeah, it was a grazing,
Speaker 1: grazing shot. Yeah, very lucky, because I would have only
Speaker 1: taken about a quarter of an inch to do some
Speaker 1: serious day with serious damage. A set of unmasked gunmen
Speaker 1: got out of the car. There were three of them.
Speaker 1: Bob Marley's manager at the time was named Don Taylor,
Speaker 1: and he had also just arrived but didn't know that
Speaker 1: these guys were pulling in, and so he walked into
Speaker 1: the kitchen where Bob Marley was and then was immediately
Speaker 1: followed by these gunmen. Absolutely bad timing, and they had
Speaker 1: automatic weapons, and they just basically proceeded to pull the
Speaker 1: trigger and shoot back and forth until they were out
Speaker 1: of bullets. I thought, I and I heard one story.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's true that one of them
Speaker 1: had two handguns instead. I heard that too, I've read that,
Speaker 1: but It's a little weird, especially considering that you know,
Speaker 1: at least one of them, if not more, has a
Speaker 1: fully automatic weapon. Why one of them would show up
Speaker 1: a two handguns. But it does seem kind of absurd.
Speaker 1: It seems a little out of place. But anyway, so
Speaker 1: these guys they shoot to join up, and then they
Speaker 1: turn around and they hop in their car and they
Speaker 1: take off. It just feels like somebody watched a gang
Speaker 1: banger movie, you know, and was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's go try and kill somebody. Like it's not it's
Speaker 1: not what you would expect of a professional assassination. But
Speaker 1: it's totally a Jamaican Western. It's totally yeah, totally is
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know, if he walks into the
Speaker 1: house and you just like praise and sprays and just
Speaker 1: goes and then he runs away and he gets away
Speaker 1: with it too, and all those bullets magically hit that
Speaker 1: one guy, right. Just that's what it sounds like to me,
Speaker 1: is totally just some guys watching some movies and things
Speaker 1: didn't really know what they were doing. It's uh, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you never know, they might have actually been
Speaker 1: there just to send a message to scare the crap
Speaker 1: out of everybody, and because they are incompetent, they actually
Speaker 1: accidentally hit some people. Yeah, that's absolutely possible to make
Speaker 1: a good point because you know automatic weapons there are
Speaker 1: harder to control when they're fully automatic that they actually
Speaker 1: they actually jump around the heavy of the bullets, so
Speaker 1: the more they do. What's the what's the joke stormtroopers
Speaker 1: shooting at a red shirt, The stormtrooper misses every single
Speaker 1: shot and the red shirt dies. Anyways, that's what this
Speaker 1: feels like a little bit. Yeah, did you see that
Speaker 1: picture I posted on our Facebook a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago the stormtrooper. Yeah, start starmtrooper target practice, got a
Speaker 1: machine gun, he's checking the target. Yeah, that one. Bob
Speaker 1: Marley was hit. Um, he was shot in the left arm,
Speaker 1: and I've inconsistently seen that he also took one in
Speaker 1: the ribs. That's what I heard too when I saw
Speaker 1: an interview with me, only the only points to his
Speaker 1: left arm. And here's here's the thing, is you you
Speaker 1: always hear about the one that went into his arm
Speaker 1: because they left the bullet there because, according to the story,
Speaker 1: he couldn't take it out without the possibility of nerve damage,
Speaker 1: which would then affect his playing, so he wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: go for that. But you also hear that he got
Speaker 1: hit in the chest, which I always thought was weird
Speaker 1: and I could never corroborate until I was watching an
Speaker 1: interview with a woman whose name is Diane Jobson, and
Speaker 1: she was his lawyer, and she in in this interview
Speaker 1: talked about it and what happened. He got really lucky.
Speaker 1: The bullet that went into his arm first grazed across
Speaker 1: his chest, so it grazed across his chest and burn.
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's got a flesh wound. And then
Speaker 1: it went into his arm, so again super lucky. So
Speaker 1: his wife is, is you know, a quarter inch off
Speaker 1: and he was a quarter inch away from having it
Speaker 1: take out at least one, if not more ribs, stuff
Speaker 1: like that something like that. Yeah, yeah, I'm just talking
Speaker 1: about just that little bit. But so that's why you
Speaker 1: hear that he took one in the chest, but you
Speaker 1: never get the description. It's only because of that interview
Speaker 1: that I found that out. Job Um. So, as I said,
Speaker 1: these yo yo's, they shoot the place up, they shoot Bob,
Speaker 1: they shoot Rita. A couple of people are hurt and
Speaker 1: then they run back to their car and they take off.
Speaker 1: And this is always pointed at as a very important
Speaker 1: thing is that when the car left the property, it
Speaker 1: turned and went downhill, which means it went back down
Speaker 1: into Kingston. Hope Road, if you look at it on
Speaker 1: a map, it if you follow it, it it starts basically
Speaker 1: the heart of Kingston and then works its way out
Speaker 1: and then goes across the island to a bay that's
Speaker 1: I can't remember which bay it is, So people say, well,
Speaker 1: obviously it was. It was It had to be this
Speaker 1: political party that was responsible because it went back into Kingston. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I thought I thought the control areas of Kingston's
Speaker 1: they did. But it's it's based on the fact that
Speaker 1: the jailp had that's, you know, kind of was in
Speaker 1: control in that area, is what people point to. Because
Speaker 1: the way the reason people say is that if it
Speaker 1: had gone the other way, it wouldn't have been such
Speaker 1: a easy thing to point out is because you go
Speaker 1: the other direction and the road goes into the jungle
Speaker 1: before it goes across to that bay on the other
Speaker 1: side of the island. But what I always find weird
Speaker 1: is that if you look at Hope Road, there's a
Speaker 1: ton of streets that come off of it that then
Speaker 1: go to other places. So it could have been that
Speaker 1: the best way to go home for these guys was
Speaker 1: to head towards downtown Kingston and then hang a right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, and I'm that convinced about the whole thing is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I just want people to understand that portion of it,
Speaker 1: because that's that's something that you're gonna hear all the time. Now,
Speaker 1: nobody ever was officially arrested for this. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody got medical treatment, everybody survived and went on about
Speaker 1: their business. But I was watching it. I know, I
Speaker 1: sent you guys this, uh this interview. There's an interview
Speaker 1: with Bob Marley that basically gives the impression at least
Speaker 1: I think that he knew who they were, if not
Speaker 1: at the time he found out who they were, because
Speaker 1: he's talking to a reporter and the reporter says, you
Speaker 1: never saw the gunman, Bob says at that time. No.
Speaker 1: Reporter says, but you know who did it? Yeah? Were
Speaker 1: they caught? No, they weren't caught by the police. You
Speaker 1: had the subtitles on, right, I did. Yeah, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: did not have and I couldn't understand word. Well, actually
Speaker 1: I could understand a little bit. Yeah. Well that's the
Speaker 1: thing is, I know we talked about this before, but
Speaker 1: for our listeners, if you go and watch any of
Speaker 1: these interviews, you need to understand that Jamaicans speak two languages.
Speaker 1: They speak Patua and that's the language that you talked
Speaker 1: to all your fellow Jamaicans in and you learn it
Speaker 1: at home. It's not a written language, but you're taught
Speaker 1: English in school, so your command of English is partially
Speaker 1: based on your motivation to learn it as well as
Speaker 1: the capability of who's teaching you. Yeah, so Bob's English
Speaker 1: was a little rougher. Actually, I don't think is English
Speaker 1: was so much so terribly fluent in English. That's what
Speaker 1: I mean. What I say, that's what I'm going for
Speaker 1: is when they're taught English, they're taught to get rid
Speaker 1: of that accent, and a lot of that was still
Speaker 1: in his English. And I can imagine that there's a
Speaker 1: certain amount And I have no actual basis for this,
Speaker 1: it's just a total stretch on my part, but I
Speaker 1: would imagine that there's some nationalism that goes along with that. Um,
Speaker 1: if you're being taught a culture to emulate a culture
Speaker 1: in the way that you speak, that you aren't necessarily
Speaker 1: very happy with be a British or the United States,
Speaker 1: that you would want your accent to be clearly of
Speaker 1: your country, of your tradition. You know what. No, I
Speaker 1: know what you're saying. Yeah, in a way I can
Speaker 1: see that. Um, yeah, no, there's I can I can
Speaker 1: see your point there. Yeah, A lot of probably depends
Speaker 1: on what you do for a living too. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: probably totally fine for somebody like Bob Marley to most people,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, it's not exactly Already, Well, that is
Speaker 1: almost the end of our story here, because we do
Speaker 1: need to tell you that Bob Marley is it was
Speaker 1: a tough guy. Yeah. He went on to perform at
Speaker 1: the Jamaica Smile concert two days later. He of course
Speaker 1: gets on stage. I don't know, did you guys see
Speaker 1: the footage of this. He gets on stage and he
Speaker 1: holds up his arm and he shows the bandage, and
Speaker 1: he takes off his shirt and shows where he's been
Speaker 1: you know, where the bullet grazes on his chick, you know,
Speaker 1: basically saying I'm tough. You can't get me. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: and try. I don't think i'd be saying something like
Speaker 1: that in Jamaica. I don't, you know, he was. He
Speaker 1: was a ballsy dude. I guess it really was. And
Speaker 1: I guess for those of those of our listeners that
Speaker 1: don't know about Bob Marley, he died of natural causes
Speaker 1: cancer said, I mean, he was young. He was really
Speaker 1: for cancer to Yeah, you know it was. The story
Speaker 1: with his cancer is really interesting. Again, this is one
Speaker 1: of those things that I found where it's the legend
Speaker 1: versus the truth. Because Bob Marley was a Rastafarian and
Speaker 1: of course they don't you know, you don't do medical stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, actual like religion. Yeah, and you know, the
Speaker 1: thing is is that they said, well, Bob, we should
Speaker 1: cut your toe off, and according to the legend, because
Speaker 1: he was a Rasta, he said, no, this is the
Speaker 1: way that I came into the world. This way, I'm
Speaker 1: going to go out of the world and I'm not
Speaker 1: going to take this Western medicine. And so of course
Speaker 1: then the cancer spreads and he dies. Cancer it started
Speaker 1: and it started his toe and went everywhere. But it
Speaker 1: turns out that's not exactly true. Bob did get medical treatment.
Speaker 1: He had chemo and things like that. So I mean
Speaker 1: he really did try to fight. He had he had
Speaker 1: his toe nail in bed, which is where the biggest
Speaker 1: revision was. He had that, but not his entire toe
Speaker 1: because that would have gone against his religion. And he did,
Speaker 1: you know, actively treat it. But well he did, but
Speaker 1: it's also true that he didn't. He refused to get
Speaker 1: his toe amputated. That's very true. And unfortunately, because he
Speaker 1: didn't follow up with his medical appointments in terms of
Speaker 1: getting his checkups until it was too late, nobody realized
Speaker 1: that they hadn't got it. But that's another story, Bob Marley,
Speaker 1: it's a very interesting story. Um, but it's absolutely now
Speaker 1: it's everybody's favorite time in the show. Stanford theories, all right,
Speaker 1: so we talked, would explain the aim. Actually, yeah, it
Speaker 1: would because he's got the short little arms so it's
Speaker 1: really hard to pull the trigger and hang on. This
Speaker 1: would explain it. Uh No. The first theory actually is,
Speaker 1: as we briefly talked about already, is the CIA. It's
Speaker 1: believed that the j LP was backed by the CIA accord.
Speaker 1: And this is again according to local or and like
Speaker 1: we talked about, it's because of the fact that the
Speaker 1: Americans didn't like the fact that Manly was buddying up
Speaker 1: to Fidel Castro. The funny thing is, though, is that
Speaker 1: Henley was sort of making friends with a bunch of
Speaker 1: foreign leaders at the feeling that's what you do exactly
Speaker 1: as a world leader. I guess, uh huh, so he was.
Speaker 1: He was, you know, developing relationships with Julius Narrere of Tanzania.
Speaker 1: There's Olaf Palm of Sweden who was on the list,
Speaker 1: is totally Pierre Trudeau of Canada. That's another mystery. Why
Speaker 1: do people ever elect him? And then of course Fidel
Speaker 1: um so he he was meeting more than just Fidel Castro.
Speaker 1: I just want people to understand that. But but also,
Speaker 1: like you meet with people who are leading countries that
Speaker 1: are really close to yours, especially if they're semi dangerous countries,
Speaker 1: just as pure diplomatic courtesy. Yeah. Yeah, small nations, you
Speaker 1: want to know how your small nation is doing so
Speaker 1: that I can figure out how to help my small
Speaker 1: nation or to make sure that we're friends, so you
Speaker 1: don't suddenly decide you don't like us and you know,
Speaker 1: attack us. Yeah, I think that I don't think that
Speaker 1: the US government would have gotten all that outset about
Speaker 1: him just having a meeting with Fidel. Yeah, it just
Speaker 1: kind of depends on how far it takes the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It's very true. But as we said, um, so, the
Speaker 1: theory goes that the CIA came in, as we talked
Speaker 1: about before, they brought drugs, they brought guns, and they
Speaker 1: created this whole cadre of criminals to do their dirty work.
Speaker 1: And then of course that's why the cocaine trade was.
Speaker 1: It was so big, and I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: so big anymore in Jamaica. I actually hadn't looked into that. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think it is still pours through Jamaica. If I
Speaker 1: remember right, you were just there. You know, I didn't
Speaker 1: see any cocaine. I saw a lot of weed being offered,
Speaker 1: but no cocaine. But I never knew who had the best.
Speaker 1: They all said they had the best. So it was
Speaker 1: really confusing everywhere. Yeah, it is. But like Joe had said,
Speaker 1: is that this whole idea that the CIA was going
Speaker 1: to destabilize the country through these efforts, That's what this
Speaker 1: theory is based on. That's what it's saying. Um. And
Speaker 1: so they saying that the CIA. It was actually CIA
Speaker 1: guys who who went in with guns and shot at Marlin.
Speaker 1: Know what it is is that it's the CIA brought
Speaker 1: the guns in, train the guys how to use the guns,
Speaker 1: and then said, Hey, that guy over there, he's getting
Speaker 1: a little too much sway with the people. We should
Speaker 1: probably take care of him, and then had one of
Speaker 1: their downs or one of their groups set up and
Speaker 1: go try to do the hit. That's where That's where
Speaker 1: the whole thing is. So it wasn't CIA guys driving
Speaker 1: in because nobody said it was a bunch of white
Speaker 1: dudes in the car, because that would have been a
Speaker 1: giant flag. Yeah. But yeah, the problem I have with
Speaker 1: this the whole thing about funneling guns and drugs into
Speaker 1: the country. They were funneling up to the j LP, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: So well and where did the p MP get their
Speaker 1: drugs and guns? Fidel of course? Oh yeah, right. I
Speaker 1: think I think they might have gotten those things on
Speaker 1: their own. I get it does have a reputation for
Speaker 1: mucking around in local elections and stuff like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought you about funneling drugs and guns into into
Speaker 1: a nearby country, they're going to come back, Well, you
Speaker 1: can just you can do stabilize that country. And the
Speaker 1: last thing anybody, any of us want is a destabilized
Speaker 1: country right on our doorstep. So it just seems like
Speaker 1: a bad idea. Yeah, so that's that's that theory. We're
Speaker 1: gonna move on to the next one. The next theory
Speaker 1: is that the whole thing was done at the order
Speaker 1: of the JLP because remember, right, yeah, that's Sega. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I never know how to pronounce his name because it's
Speaker 1: different every time. It's the accent. But the theory is
Speaker 1: that because Bob Marley's Smile Jamaica concert was now considered
Speaker 1: kind of a PMP thing, the JLP wanted to retaliate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes sense. That's kind of a bummer because it
Speaker 1: feels like if he had a good if Bob Marley
Speaker 1: had a good relationship with the political parties, that maybe
Speaker 1: you would just go to him right and be like, dude,
Speaker 1: what the hell? I think he had a relationship with both.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. So you would think that,
Speaker 1: you know, the leadership at that point would go and say, dude,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? And he would have been like, listen,
Speaker 1: it's not my fault. I'm really sorry, like, how can
Speaker 1: we work this out? They wouldn't just be like, ah, Bob, nah,
Speaker 1: we're going to shoot him and and that's that's a
Speaker 1: very rational line of thought. But it's wrong. Got it, No,
Speaker 1: but we have I can't help but think about the
Speaker 1: fact that these are also men who are using gangs
Speaker 1: that control the cities to control the elections. So it's
Speaker 1: sometimes maybe not the best decision making happen. So I
Speaker 1: know where you're going with him, Yeah, I I kind
Speaker 1: of tended to that it was a g lp because
Speaker 1: since everybody was thinking that Marley was aligning himself with Manly,
Speaker 1: it's one way to send a nice message a mess
Speaker 1: with us will kill you. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: Marley is very popular he was killing him would have
Speaker 1: would have really been a black marketing reputation. It would
Speaker 1: have made a lot of people in Jamaica and absolutely
Speaker 1: unless you thought you could make it look like the
Speaker 1: other party did it. Well, that's why my theory is
Speaker 1: that it was that didn't There was an attempted assassination.
Speaker 1: That's why they came in missed pretty much missed and
Speaker 1: then headed back down to Kingston and so making it
Speaker 1: look like it was a JLP and not the PNP.
Speaker 1: It's possible. Um, we've got more theories to go. We're
Speaker 1: not done yet. Okay, So the next theory is that
Speaker 1: it was just a bunch of random guys who were
Speaker 1: angry at Bob Marley for aligning with the p NP.
Speaker 1: This whole thing is so politically based in most of
Speaker 1: these theories, it's totally politically base, because the thing is
Speaker 1: is people didn't trust the government, and at the time
Speaker 1: there was the phrase it wasn't politics, it was politics.
Speaker 1: Of course, I love that. I love that. It's great saying.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of weirdness going on, and somebody
Speaker 1: might have said, I can't believe that you did this.
Speaker 1: We you know, we supported you. You're such a great guy,
Speaker 1: and you've you've just you've stabbed us all in the back.
Speaker 1: That's basically how this this thing as a concept goes.
Speaker 1: Now there is a little bit of of credence to
Speaker 1: it in terms of everybody kind of wondered if Bob
Speaker 1: Marley had sold him out. And the reason is is
Speaker 1: there's a guy by the name of Neville Garrick, and
Speaker 1: he was a Jamaican born artist and he worked with
Speaker 1: Bob Marley and he's the one who created the graphic
Speaker 1: for the Smile Jamaica concert. What it is is, it's
Speaker 1: a It's a set of illustrated mountains that have a
Speaker 1: little cartoons Smile underneath them, and then a sun rising
Speaker 1: or setting I don't know which it's supposed to be,
Speaker 1: but directly behind the mountains, radiating out from it correct
Speaker 1: and and raised rati out from the sun is something
Speaker 1: that you see in the Caribbean all the time. It
Speaker 1: just it is. It's so you can see why that
Speaker 1: is an icon that you would put in there, except
Speaker 1: the problem is the sun, the setting sun or rising sun,
Speaker 1: whichever you want to look at. It was one of
Speaker 1: the graphics symbols that was used by the p n P.
Speaker 1: And Jamaican's love stickers and they love to put them
Speaker 1: on their cars and so that's how they hold their
Speaker 1: cars together, some of them. But he was wandering around
Speaker 1: trying to hand out these stickers and people were like,
Speaker 1: I'm not putting that political sticker on my car. Are
Speaker 1: you freaking crazy? Yeah? I think yeah. And then he
Speaker 1: realized that he had used something that was very very similar.
Speaker 1: Um so it's very possible that people felt betrayed. And
Speaker 1: this is an example of where people really took it
Speaker 1: to that seriously. And they wouldn't even take the sticker
Speaker 1: for the concert because it was a political what would
Speaker 1: you call it? It's not uh to sign, I guess
Speaker 1: it really is. It's just a political symbol. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: so they didn't want to do it, and so it
Speaker 1: could have been just a couple of guys who felt
Speaker 1: betrayed and went in and tried to shoot it up
Speaker 1: and of course had no idea what they were doing.
Speaker 1: So because one of the things is when I was
Speaker 1: watched doing some of the research is in at one
Speaker 1: point one of the gunmen, remember how he said it
Speaker 1: was kind of just a shoot and go, stuck his
Speaker 1: arm around the door through the door frame and was
Speaker 1: pulling the trigger. Wasn't even looking. So this is how
Speaker 1: committed they were getting somebody. Yeah that sounds And now
Speaker 1: we have one lass theory for who may have done this,
Speaker 1: and this actually is probably the first one that we've
Speaker 1: got and the only one that we've got that actually
Speaker 1: points the finger to a specific person. There was a
Speaker 1: guy several years ago. His name is Christopher Doudess. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I wasn't I don't know, it's d U
Speaker 1: d U S. Christopher, I'm going to call it done.
Speaker 1: Is Christopher don his Coke. And he was a person
Speaker 1: of major interest for the United States because he was
Speaker 1: the head of the Shower Posse who it was a
Speaker 1: gang and they were running coke and guns. In the
Speaker 1: US wanted him because he was running coke and guns.
Speaker 1: There some bad names. Coke No, just like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, let's find like a really cool name for
Speaker 1: our game. You know what would be really badass? Oh,
Speaker 1: shower posse. Shower maybe it's a shower of bullets. No,
Speaker 1: no tears, the no tears posse. Okay, Well, here's the
Speaker 1: thing is that this guy, the cops, by the way,
Speaker 1: did eventually the U S did get him. Or actually no,
Speaker 1: the U S didn't get him. He was delivered to
Speaker 1: the U S by the Jamaicans. But by the way,
Speaker 1: I did so very reluctantly. It took quite a long time.
Speaker 1: They didn't really want to give him up, No they didn't.
Speaker 1: They really kind of wanted to string him up on
Speaker 1: their own. But his father in the seventies and eighties
Speaker 1: was also a major guy. His name was Lester Coke.
Speaker 1: Although he also was known as Jim Brown, which I
Speaker 1: don't know why it's the two names, but whatever. Uh.
Speaker 1: And Jim Brown was a founder of the original shower Posse.
Speaker 1: And you're gonna keep joking at that, laughing at and
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like when I was in kindergarten
Speaker 1: and I like started a gang and we were called
Speaker 1: the Pretty Unicorns the name thing. Yeah, well, okay, so
Speaker 1: back to back to Jim Brown. Sorry, Lester Coke or
Speaker 1: I guess it's the other way around. Well, he um,
Speaker 1: he was. He was an enforcer and a drug runner
Speaker 1: in the seventies. And according to a book, the title
Speaker 1: of which is Dark Alliance, and then there's actually there's
Speaker 1: several books. Catch Up Fire, I think is also another
Speaker 1: one that makes this accusation that says that he was
Speaker 1: the one gunman who went in and again the CIA
Speaker 1: were involved because he went there at the behest of
Speaker 1: the CIA, of course. And here's more, God, we just
Speaker 1: keep bashing on the CIA. Don't wait today one of
Speaker 1: coax Lester coax buddies. It's a guy named cecil'connor. He is.
Speaker 1: He claims that he was taken to the jungle in
Speaker 1: Jamaica and taught by the CIA how to how to
Speaker 1: shoot a gun and how to to do things to
Speaker 1: get the j LP to win their elections. Now sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of several people who have made
Speaker 1: this claim. But the fact everything says that Lester Coke
Speaker 1: was one of the gunmen, and it's you know, it
Speaker 1: seems to all kind of come from that first book
Speaker 1: that I mentioned, which is The Dark Alliance. Now I
Speaker 1: didn't I couldn't find that book. I couldn't find that
Speaker 1: or catch a fire. So I'm not I can't corroborate
Speaker 1: or tell you exactly how they came to this conclusion,
Speaker 1: but that's the conclusion that they came to. Interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's just not a lot of average that one, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and the the other thing that is so
Speaker 1: this is just kind of some wrap up stuff. Here
Speaker 1: is when we talked before, we said that when Bob
Speaker 1: we watched that Marley interview, he said that nobody had
Speaker 1: caught the gunman or the police hadn't caught the gunment.
Speaker 1: Bob Marley's managers, his name was Don Taylor. He claimed
Speaker 1: that one of the gunmen actually was caught and I'm
Speaker 1: guessing under torture and interrogation, admitted that it was the
Speaker 1: c i A who had had set orchestrated the whole thing. Um,
Speaker 1: this just feels so silly. Yeah, and where did you
Speaker 1: hear that? Don Taylor and heard this? Uh well, I
Speaker 1: don't know where Don Taylor heard it from. He done
Speaker 1: Taylors had recounted it and it was in one of
Speaker 1: these books. And you know, I found it in the research.
Speaker 1: But I don't know where he got that piece of
Speaker 1: information from. Maybe off the Internet, maybe probably not at
Speaker 1: that time. When was the interview. It was more than
Speaker 1: you know, in more than ten years after the fact.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm pretty sure that interview was probably done
Speaker 1: after Bobby passed away. Okay, yeah, I mean probably not
Speaker 1: the Internet. But you know, rivers have a way of
Speaker 1: flying around. Yeah, well that is the end of our
Speaker 1: not quiet Oh no, Joe, oh boy lost boilarrying you.
Speaker 1: I totally conna blow you out of the if you
Speaker 1: say it's the c i A. I'm turning off the
Speaker 1: issue right now now that CIA it's actually it turns
Speaker 1: out it was some friends and relatives of the sheriff
Speaker 1: that Marley shot, So that was a revenge shooting who
Speaker 1: had to work at a joke about the you did
Speaker 1: well sir, and he openly admitted to shooting the sheriff
Speaker 1: and he claims he did deputy. Yeah, but it's really
Speaker 1: still out on that. So hey, there might have been
Speaker 1: some of the israelittives too, all right, Yeah, well there's
Speaker 1: that theory too, okay, Yeah, just a little bit. Uh.
Speaker 1: I was doing the research and I realized that Bob Marley,
Speaker 1: had he not died of cancer, if he had lived on,
Speaker 1: he'd be seven. He wounded this year, which is crazy
Speaker 1: to think of. He's actually getting to that weird time
Speaker 1: where someone has been gone longer than they were alive,
Speaker 1: because he died at thirty six, so he's all. You know,
Speaker 1: next year will have hit as long without as the
Speaker 1: world had with just kind of a weird thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted to I just toss out one of the
Speaker 1: one of the possibilities said it was just some angry
Speaker 1: guys about politics. It might have just been angry guys too,
Speaker 1: which has you know, when I was reading about reading
Speaker 1: up on this and the slum culture of Kingston and stuff,
Speaker 1: it's like a lot of those places where life is
Speaker 1: cheap and and the biggest coin of the realm is respect.
Speaker 1: You know, if somebody disrespects you and that's caused to
Speaker 1: kill him. So it could have been it he was
Speaker 1: just rude to somebody. It could be. But I really
Speaker 1: here's my problem with the it's just some random resident
Speaker 1: of the area who was angry the election and the concert. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's is that Bob Marley was obscenely generous to the people.
Speaker 1: People came to his house and he gave food and
Speaker 1: money to people constantly. He was supporting so many people
Speaker 1: that he kind of had at times he had money
Speaker 1: troubles of his own because he was giving away so
Speaker 1: much of his money. So that's why I really it
Speaker 1: seems really stupid to bite the hand that feeds. But again,
Speaker 1: like you said, like sometimes that lot of just doesn't
Speaker 1: play in. Maybe people thought, oh, well if we kill
Speaker 1: and we can steal all this stuff and then we'll
Speaker 1: really be yeah, you know, take his takes all of
Speaker 1: his heart earned money. Yuh. Yeah. It turns out that
Speaker 1: if you really left the crime stats and everything, I'll
Speaker 1: here in the States, it's where as well as other places,
Speaker 1: most people that commit crimes like this aren't terribly bright.
Speaker 1: They're not in the habit of thinking very far out
Speaker 1: of the future. Planning. Planning is not a strong suit. Yeah, alright, well,
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