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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways, I don't understand it, stories of things we

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Speaker 1: simply don't know the answer too. Hey there, everybody, and

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Speaker 1: welcome again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I am Steve,

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Speaker 1: of course, joined by Devin and Joe. Did you too

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Speaker 1: not know your name suddenly? No? We do this every

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Speaker 1: time you know it's the fake name. It throws me on.

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Speaker 1: I know as all. We've got another mystery for you,

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Speaker 1: and this week we're going to talk about who tried

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Speaker 1: to assassinate Bob Marley. Yeah that you didn't know that

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Speaker 1: Is this part of your like transformation into a Rastafarian

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Speaker 1: I'm growing my dreads you Yeah, at least I'm not

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Speaker 1: wearing that the hat with the fake dreads on it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's the worst. Okay, well, our story is, uh,

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Speaker 1: the short of it is that in nineteen seventies six

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Speaker 1: three gunmen drove onto Bob Marley's property in Jamaica and

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Speaker 1: open fire with automatic weapons and shot Bob. They shot

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Speaker 1: but nobody was killed. Yeah, it's amazing. Three guys with

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Speaker 1: or why, who ordered it, why did they do it,

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Speaker 1: who committed the act? We don't know any of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a total unsolved mystery totally, which is convenient actually

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Speaker 1: what we talk about. We did talk about that stuff,

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Speaker 1: but you know why. Yeah, I did a little check

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Speaker 1: who Bob Marley was. Okay, Bob Marley was. He was

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Speaker 1: in go up the drive. As that car drove by,

426
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: it opened fire, and Leslie Miles wasn't hurt at all.

427
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: Rita did get hit. She took one across the top

428
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: of her scalp. Basically felt, yeah, it was a grazing,

429
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 1: grazing shot. Yeah, very lucky, because I would have only

430
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: taken about a quarter of an inch to do some

431
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: serious day with serious damage. A set of unmasked gunmen

432
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: got out of the car. There were three of them.

433
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: Bob Marley's manager at the time was named Don Taylor,

434
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 1: and he had also just arrived but didn't know that

435
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: these guys were pulling in, and so he walked into

436
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: the kitchen where Bob Marley was and then was immediately

437
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: followed by these gunmen. Absolutely bad timing, and they had

438
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: automatic weapons, and they just basically proceeded to pull the

439
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: trigger and shoot back and forth until they were out

440
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: of bullets. I thought, I and I heard one story.

441
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's true that one of them

442
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: had two handguns instead. I heard that too, I've read that,

443
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: but It's a little weird, especially considering that you know,

444
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: at least one of them, if not more, has a

445
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,719
Speaker 1: fully automatic weapon. Why one of them would show up

446
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: a two handguns. But it does seem kind of absurd.

447
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: It seems a little out of place. But anyway, so

448
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: these guys they shoot to join up, and then they

449
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: turn around and they hop in their car and they

450
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: take off. It just feels like somebody watched a gang

451
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: banger movie, you know, and was like, you know what,

452
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: let's go try and kill somebody. Like it's not it's

453
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: not what you would expect of a professional assassination. But

454
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: it's totally a Jamaican Western. It's totally yeah, totally is

455
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know, if he walks into the

456
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: house and you just like praise and sprays and just

457
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: goes and then he runs away and he gets away

458
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: with it too, and all those bullets magically hit that

459
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: one guy, right. Just that's what it sounds like to me,

460
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: is totally just some guys watching some movies and things

461
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: didn't really know what they were doing. It's uh, you know,

462
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: you know, you never know, they might have actually been

463
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: there just to send a message to scare the crap

464
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: out of everybody, and because they are incompetent, they actually

465
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: accidentally hit some people. Yeah, that's absolutely possible to make

466
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: a good point because you know automatic weapons there are

467
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: harder to control when they're fully automatic that they actually

468
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: they actually jump around the heavy of the bullets, so

469
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: the more they do. What's the what's the joke stormtroopers

470
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: shooting at a red shirt, The stormtrooper misses every single

471
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: shot and the red shirt dies. Anyways, that's what this

472
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: feels like a little bit. Yeah, did you see that

473
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: picture I posted on our Facebook a couple of weeks

474
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: ago the stormtrooper. Yeah, start starmtrooper target practice, got a

475
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: machine gun, he's checking the target. Yeah, that one. Bob

476
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: Marley was hit. Um, he was shot in the left arm,

477
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: and I've inconsistently seen that he also took one in

478
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: the ribs. That's what I heard too when I saw

479
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: an interview with me, only the only points to his

480
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: left arm. And here's here's the thing, is you you

481
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: always hear about the one that went into his arm

482
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: because they left the bullet there because, according to the story,

483
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 1: he couldn't take it out without the possibility of nerve damage,

484
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: which would then affect his playing, so he wasn't gonna

485
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: go for that. But you also hear that he got

486
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: hit in the chest, which I always thought was weird

487
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: and I could never corroborate until I was watching an

488
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: interview with a woman whose name is Diane Jobson, and

489
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: she was his lawyer, and she in in this interview

490
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: talked about it and what happened. He got really lucky.

491
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: The bullet that went into his arm first grazed across

492
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: his chest, so it grazed across his chest and burn.

493
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's got a flesh wound. And then

494
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: it went into his arm, so again super lucky. So

495
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: his wife is, is you know, a quarter inch off

496
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: and he was a quarter inch away from having it

497
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: take out at least one, if not more ribs, stuff

498
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: like that something like that. Yeah, yeah, I'm just talking

499
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: about just that little bit. But so that's why you

500
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: hear that he took one in the chest, but you

501
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: never get the description. It's only because of that interview

502
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: that I found that out. Job Um. So, as I said,

503
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: these yo yo's, they shoot the place up, they shoot Bob,

504
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: they shoot Rita. A couple of people are hurt and

505
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: then they run back to their car and they take off.

506
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: And this is always pointed at as a very important

507
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: thing is that when the car left the property, it

508
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: turned and went downhill, which means it went back down

509
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: into Kingston. Hope Road, if you look at it on

510
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: a map, it if you follow it, it it starts basically

511
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: the heart of Kingston and then works its way out

512
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: and then goes across the island to a bay that's

513
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: I can't remember which bay it is, So people say, well,

514
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: obviously it was. It was It had to be this

515
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: political party that was responsible because it went back into Kingston. Yeah,

516
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: but I thought I thought the control areas of Kingston's

517
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: they did. But it's it's based on the fact that

518
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: the jailp had that's, you know, kind of was in

519
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: control in that area, is what people point to. Because

520
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: the way the reason people say is that if it

521
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: had gone the other way, it wouldn't have been such

522
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: a easy thing to point out is because you go

523
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: the other direction and the road goes into the jungle

524
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: before it goes across to that bay on the other

525
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: side of the island. But what I always find weird

526
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: is that if you look at Hope Road, there's a

527
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: ton of streets that come off of it that then

528
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: go to other places. So it could have been that

529
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: the best way to go home for these guys was

530
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: to head towards downtown Kingston and then hang a right. Yeah,

531
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: I know, and I'm that convinced about the whole thing is. Yeah,

532
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: but I just want people to understand that portion of it,

533
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: because that's that's something that you're gonna hear all the time. Now,

534
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: nobody ever was officially arrested for this. I mean, you know,

535
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: everybody got medical treatment, everybody survived and went on about

536
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: their business. But I was watching it. I know, I

537
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: sent you guys this, uh this interview. There's an interview

538
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: with Bob Marley that basically gives the impression at least

539
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: I think that he knew who they were, if not

540
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: at the time he found out who they were, because

541
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: he's talking to a reporter and the reporter says, you

542
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: never saw the gunman, Bob says at that time. No.

543
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: Reporter says, but you know who did it? Yeah? Were

544
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: they caught? No, they weren't caught by the police. You

545
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: had the subtitles on, right, I did. Yeah, Yeah, I

546
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: did not have and I couldn't understand word. Well, actually

547
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: I could understand a little bit. Yeah. Well that's the

548
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: thing is, I know we talked about this before, but

549
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: for our listeners, if you go and watch any of

550
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: these interviews, you need to understand that Jamaicans speak two languages.

551
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: They speak Patua and that's the language that you talked

552
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: to all your fellow Jamaicans in and you learn it

553
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: at home. It's not a written language, but you're taught

554
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: English in school, so your command of English is partially

555
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: based on your motivation to learn it as well as

556
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: the capability of who's teaching you. Yeah, so Bob's English

557
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: was a little rougher. Actually, I don't think is English

558
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: was so much so terribly fluent in English. That's what

559
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: I mean. What I say, that's what I'm going for

560
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: is when they're taught English, they're taught to get rid

561
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: of that accent, and a lot of that was still

562
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: in his English. And I can imagine that there's a

563
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: certain amount And I have no actual basis for this,

564
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: it's just a total stretch on my part, but I

565
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: would imagine that there's some nationalism that goes along with that. Um,

566
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: if you're being taught a culture to emulate a culture

567
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: in the way that you speak, that you aren't necessarily

568
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: very happy with be a British or the United States,

569
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: that you would want your accent to be clearly of

570
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: your country, of your tradition. You know what. No, I

571
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: know what you're saying. Yeah, in a way I can

572
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: see that. Um, yeah, no, there's I can I can

573
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: see your point there. Yeah, A lot of probably depends

574
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: on what you do for a living too. Yes, it's

575
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: probably totally fine for somebody like Bob Marley to most people,

576
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, it's not exactly Already, Well, that is

577
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: almost the end of our story here, because we do

578
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: need to tell you that Bob Marley is it was

579
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: a tough guy. Yeah. He went on to perform at

580
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: the Jamaica Smile concert two days later. He of course

581
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: gets on stage. I don't know, did you guys see

582
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: the footage of this. He gets on stage and he

583
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: holds up his arm and he shows the bandage, and

584
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: he takes off his shirt and shows where he's been

585
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: you know, where the bullet grazes on his chick, you know,

586
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: basically saying I'm tough. You can't get me. Go ahead,

587
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: and try. I don't think i'd be saying something like

588
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: that in Jamaica. I don't, you know, he was. He

589
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: was a ballsy dude. I guess it really was. And

590
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: I guess for those of those of our listeners that

591
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: don't know about Bob Marley, he died of natural causes

592
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: cancer said, I mean, he was young. He was really

593
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: for cancer to Yeah, you know it was. The story

594
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: with his cancer is really interesting. Again, this is one

595
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: of those things that I found where it's the legend

596
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: versus the truth. Because Bob Marley was a Rastafarian and

597
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: of course they don't you know, you don't do medical stuff,

598
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, actual like religion. Yeah, and you know, the

599
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 1: thing is is that they said, well, Bob, we should

600
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 1: cut your toe off, and according to the legend, because

601
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: he was a Rasta, he said, no, this is the

602
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: way that I came into the world. This way, I'm

603
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: going to go out of the world and I'm not

604
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: going to take this Western medicine. And so of course

605
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: then the cancer spreads and he dies. Cancer it started

606
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: and it started his toe and went everywhere. But it

607
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: turns out that's not exactly true. Bob did get medical treatment.

608
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: He had chemo and things like that. So I mean

609
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: he really did try to fight. He had he had

610
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: his toe nail in bed, which is where the biggest

611
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: revision was. He had that, but not his entire toe

612
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: because that would have gone against his religion. And he did,

613
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: you know, actively treat it. But well he did, but

614
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: it's also true that he didn't. He refused to get

615
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: his toe amputated. That's very true. And unfortunately, because he

616
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: didn't follow up with his medical appointments in terms of

617
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: getting his checkups until it was too late, nobody realized

618
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: that they hadn't got it. But that's another story, Bob Marley,

619
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: it's a very interesting story. Um, but it's absolutely now

620
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: it's everybody's favorite time in the show. Stanford theories, all right,

621
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: so we talked, would explain the aim. Actually, yeah, it

622
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: would because he's got the short little arms so it's

623
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: really hard to pull the trigger and hang on. This

624
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: would explain it. Uh No. The first theory actually is,

625
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: as we briefly talked about already, is the CIA. It's

626
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: believed that the j LP was backed by the CIA accord.

627
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: And this is again according to local or and like

628
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: we talked about, it's because of the fact that the

629
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: Americans didn't like the fact that Manly was buddying up

630
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: to Fidel Castro. The funny thing is, though, is that

631
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: Henley was sort of making friends with a bunch of

632
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: foreign leaders at the feeling that's what you do exactly

633
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: as a world leader. I guess, uh huh, so he was.

634
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: He was, you know, developing relationships with Julius Narrere of Tanzania.

635
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 1: There's Olaf Palm of Sweden who was on the list,

636
00:37:54,480 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: is totally Pierre Trudeau of Canada. That's another mystery. Why

637
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: do people ever elect him? And then of course Fidel

638
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: um so he he was meeting more than just Fidel Castro.

639
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: I just want people to understand that. But but also,

640
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: like you meet with people who are leading countries that

641
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: are really close to yours, especially if they're semi dangerous countries,

642
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: just as pure diplomatic courtesy. Yeah. Yeah, small nations, you

643
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: want to know how your small nation is doing so

644
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: that I can figure out how to help my small

645
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: nation or to make sure that we're friends, so you

646
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: don't suddenly decide you don't like us and you know,

647
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: attack us. Yeah, I think that I don't think that

648
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: the US government would have gotten all that outset about

649
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: him just having a meeting with Fidel. Yeah, it just

650
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: kind of depends on how far it takes the whole thing.

651
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: It's very true. But as we said, um, so, the

652
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: theory goes that the CIA came in, as we talked

653
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: about before, they brought drugs, they brought guns, and they

654
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: created this whole cadre of criminals to do their dirty work.

655
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: And then of course that's why the cocaine trade was.

656
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: It was so big, and I don't know if it's

657
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: so big anymore in Jamaica. I actually hadn't looked into that. Actually,

658
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: I think it is still pours through Jamaica. If I

659
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: remember right, you were just there. You know, I didn't

660
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: see any cocaine. I saw a lot of weed being offered,

661
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: but no cocaine. But I never knew who had the best.

662
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: They all said they had the best. So it was

663
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: really confusing everywhere. Yeah, it is. But like Joe had said,

664
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: is that this whole idea that the CIA was going

665
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: to destabilize the country through these efforts, That's what this

666
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: theory is based on. That's what it's saying. Um. And

667
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: so they saying that the CIA. It was actually CIA

668
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: guys who who went in with guns and shot at Marlin.

669
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: Know what it is is that it's the CIA brought

670
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: the guns in, train the guys how to use the guns,

671
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: and then said, Hey, that guy over there, he's getting

672
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: a little too much sway with the people. We should

673
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: probably take care of him, and then had one of

674
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: their downs or one of their groups set up and

675
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: go try to do the hit. That's where That's where

676
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: the whole thing is. So it wasn't CIA guys driving

677
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: in because nobody said it was a bunch of white

678
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: dudes in the car, because that would have been a

679
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: giant flag. Yeah. But yeah, the problem I have with

680
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: this the whole thing about funneling guns and drugs into

681
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 1: the country. They were funneling up to the j LP, right, yeah,

682
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: So well and where did the p MP get their

683
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: drugs and guns? Fidel of course? Oh yeah, right. I

684
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: think I think they might have gotten those things on

685
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: their own. I get it does have a reputation for

686
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: mucking around in local elections and stuff like that. Yeah,

687
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: I thought you about funneling drugs and guns into into

688
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: a nearby country, they're going to come back, Well, you

689
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: can just you can do stabilize that country. And the

690
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: last thing anybody, any of us want is a destabilized

691
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: country right on our doorstep. So it just seems like

692
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: a bad idea. Yeah, so that's that's that theory. We're

693
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: gonna move on to the next one. The next theory

694
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: is that the whole thing was done at the order

695
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: of the JLP because remember, right, yeah, that's Sega. Yeah.

696
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: I never know how to pronounce his name because it's

697
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: different every time. It's the accent. But the theory is

698
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: that because Bob Marley's Smile Jamaica concert was now considered

699
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: kind of a PMP thing, the JLP wanted to retaliate. Yeah,

700
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: it makes sense. That's kind of a bummer because it

701
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: feels like if he had a good if Bob Marley

702
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: had a good relationship with the political parties, that maybe

703
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: you would just go to him right and be like, dude,

704
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: what the hell? I think he had a relationship with both.

705
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. So you would think that,

706
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, the leadership at that point would go and say, dude,

707
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: what are you doing? And he would have been like, listen,

708
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: it's not my fault. I'm really sorry, like, how can

709
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: we work this out? They wouldn't just be like, ah, Bob, nah,

710
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: we're going to shoot him and and that's that's a

711
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: very rational line of thought. But it's wrong. Got it, No,

712
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: but we have I can't help but think about the

713
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: fact that these are also men who are using gangs

714
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: that control the cities to control the elections. So it's

715
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: sometimes maybe not the best decision making happen. So I

716
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: know where you're going with him, Yeah, I I kind

717
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: of tended to that it was a g lp because

718
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: since everybody was thinking that Marley was aligning himself with Manly,

719
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: it's one way to send a nice message a mess

720
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: with us will kill you. But at the same time,

721
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: Marley is very popular he was killing him would have

722
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: would have really been a black marketing reputation. It would

723
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: have made a lot of people in Jamaica and absolutely

724
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: unless you thought you could make it look like the

725
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: other party did it. Well, that's why my theory is

726
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: that it was that didn't There was an attempted assassination.

727
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: That's why they came in missed pretty much missed and

728
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: then headed back down to Kingston and so making it

729
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: look like it was a JLP and not the PNP.

730
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: It's possible. Um, we've got more theories to go. We're

731
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: not done yet. Okay, So the next theory is that

732
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: it was just a bunch of random guys who were

733
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: angry at Bob Marley for aligning with the p NP.

734
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: This whole thing is so politically based in most of

735
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: these theories, it's totally politically base, because the thing is

736
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: is people didn't trust the government, and at the time

737
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: there was the phrase it wasn't politics, it was politics.

738
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: Of course, I love that. I love that. It's great saying.

739
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of weirdness going on, and somebody

740
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: might have said, I can't believe that you did this.

741
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: We you know, we supported you. You're such a great guy,

742
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: and you've you've just you've stabbed us all in the back.

743
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: That's basically how this this thing as a concept goes.

744
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: Now there is a little bit of of credence to

745
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: it in terms of everybody kind of wondered if Bob

746
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: Marley had sold him out. And the reason is is

747
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: there's a guy by the name of Neville Garrick, and

748
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: he was a Jamaican born artist and he worked with

749
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: Bob Marley and he's the one who created the graphic

750
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: for the Smile Jamaica concert. What it is is, it's

751
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: a It's a set of illustrated mountains that have a

752
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: little cartoons Smile underneath them, and then a sun rising

753
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: or setting I don't know which it's supposed to be,

754
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: but directly behind the mountains, radiating out from it correct

755
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: and and raised rati out from the sun is something

756
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: that you see in the Caribbean all the time. It

757
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 1: just it is. It's so you can see why that

758
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: is an icon that you would put in there, except

759
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: the problem is the sun, the setting sun or rising sun,

760
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: whichever you want to look at. It was one of

761
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: the graphics symbols that was used by the p n P.

762
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: And Jamaican's love stickers and they love to put them

763
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: on their cars and so that's how they hold their

764
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: cars together, some of them. But he was wandering around

765
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: trying to hand out these stickers and people were like,

766
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: I'm not putting that political sticker on my car. Are

767
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: you freaking crazy? Yeah? I think yeah. And then he

768
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: realized that he had used something that was very very similar.

769
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: Um so it's very possible that people felt betrayed. And

770
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: this is an example of where people really took it

771
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: to that seriously. And they wouldn't even take the sticker

772
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: for the concert because it was a political what would

773
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 1: you call it? It's not uh to sign, I guess

774
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: it really is. It's just a political symbol. Yeah, And

775
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: so they didn't want to do it, and so it

776
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: could have been just a couple of guys who felt

777
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: betrayed and went in and tried to shoot it up

778
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: and of course had no idea what they were doing.

779
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: So because one of the things is when I was

780
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: watched doing some of the research is in at one

781
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: point one of the gunmen, remember how he said it

782
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: was kind of just a shoot and go, stuck his

783
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: arm around the door through the door frame and was

784
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: pulling the trigger. Wasn't even looking. So this is how

785
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: committed they were getting somebody. Yeah that sounds And now

786
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: we have one lass theory for who may have done this,

787
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: and this actually is probably the first one that we've

788
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: got and the only one that we've got that actually

789
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: points the finger to a specific person. There was a

790
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: guy several years ago. His name is Christopher Doudess. I

791
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: don't know, I wasn't I don't know, it's d U

792
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: d U S. Christopher, I'm going to call it done.

793
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: Is Christopher don his Coke. And he was a person

794
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: of major interest for the United States because he was

795
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: the head of the Shower Posse who it was a

796
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: gang and they were running coke and guns. In the

797
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: US wanted him because he was running coke and guns.

798
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:23,959
Speaker 1: There some bad names. Coke No, just like, yeah, yeah,

799
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: I know, let's find like a really cool name for

800
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: our game. You know what would be really badass? Oh,

801
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: shower posse. Shower maybe it's a shower of bullets. No,

802
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: no tears, the no tears posse. Okay, Well, here's the

803
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: thing is that this guy, the cops, by the way,

804
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: did eventually the U S did get him. Or actually no,

805
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: the U S didn't get him. He was delivered to

806
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: the U S by the Jamaicans. But by the way,

807
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: I did so very reluctantly. It took quite a long time.

808
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 1: They didn't really want to give him up, No they didn't.

809
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: They really kind of wanted to string him up on

810
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: their own. But his father in the seventies and eighties

811
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: was also a major guy. His name was Lester Coke.

812
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: Although he also was known as Jim Brown, which I

813
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: don't know why it's the two names, but whatever. Uh.

814
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: And Jim Brown was a founder of the original shower Posse.

815
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: And you're gonna keep joking at that, laughing at and

816
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like when I was in kindergarten

817
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 1: and I like started a gang and we were called

818
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: the Pretty Unicorns the name thing. Yeah, well, okay, so

819
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: back to back to Jim Brown. Sorry, Lester Coke or

820
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: I guess it's the other way around. Well, he um,

821
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: he was. He was an enforcer and a drug runner

822
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: in the seventies. And according to a book, the title

823
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: of which is Dark Alliance, and then there's actually there's

824
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: several books. Catch Up Fire, I think is also another

825
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: one that makes this accusation that says that he was

826
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: the one gunman who went in and again the CIA

827
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: were involved because he went there at the behest of

828
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: the CIA, of course. And here's more, God, we just

829
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: keep bashing on the CIA. Don't wait today one of

830
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: coax Lester coax buddies. It's a guy named cecil'connor. He is.

831
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: He claims that he was taken to the jungle in

832
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: Jamaica and taught by the CIA how to how to

833
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: shoot a gun and how to to do things to

834
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: get the j LP to win their elections. Now sure, yeah,

835
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of several people who have made

836
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: this claim. But the fact everything says that Lester Coke

837
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: was one of the gunmen, and it's you know, it

838
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: seems to all kind of come from that first book

839
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: that I mentioned, which is The Dark Alliance. Now I

840
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: didn't I couldn't find that book. I couldn't find that

841
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: or catch a fire. So I'm not I can't corroborate

842
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: or tell you exactly how they came to this conclusion,

843
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: but that's the conclusion that they came to. Interesting. Yeah,

844
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 1: there's just not a lot of average that one, yeah,

845
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, and the the other thing that is so

846
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: this is just kind of some wrap up stuff. Here

847
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 1: is when we talked before, we said that when Bob

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Speaker 1: we watched that Marley interview, he said that nobody had

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Speaker 1: caught the gunman or the police hadn't caught the gunment.

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Speaker 1: Bob Marley's managers, his name was Don Taylor. He claimed

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Speaker 1: that one of the gunmen actually was caught and I'm

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Speaker 1: guessing under torture and interrogation, admitted that it was the

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Speaker 1: c i A who had had set orchestrated the whole thing. Um,

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00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: this just feels so silly. Yeah, and where did you

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00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: hear that? Don Taylor and heard this? Uh well, I

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Speaker 1: don't know where Don Taylor heard it from. He done

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Speaker 1: Taylors had recounted it and it was in one of

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Speaker 1: these books. And you know, I found it in the research.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know where he got that piece of

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Speaker 1: information from. Maybe off the Internet, maybe probably not at

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Speaker 1: that time. When was the interview. It was more than

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Speaker 1: you know, in more than ten years after the fact.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm pretty sure that interview was probably done

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Speaker 1: after Bobby passed away. Okay, yeah, I mean probably not

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Speaker 1: the Internet. But you know, rivers have a way of

866
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 1: flying around. Yeah, well that is the end of our

867
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Speaker 1: not quiet Oh no, Joe, oh boy lost boilarrying you.

868
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Speaker 1: I totally conna blow you out of the if you

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Speaker 1: say it's the c i A. I'm turning off the

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00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: issue right now now that CIA it's actually it turns

871
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: out it was some friends and relatives of the sheriff

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00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: that Marley shot, So that was a revenge shooting who

873
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Speaker 1: had to work at a joke about the you did

874
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: well sir, and he openly admitted to shooting the sheriff

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Speaker 1: and he claims he did deputy. Yeah, but it's really

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Speaker 1: still out on that. So hey, there might have been

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Speaker 1: some of the israelittives too, all right, Yeah, well there's

878
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Speaker 1: that theory too, okay, Yeah, just a little bit. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I was doing the research and I realized that Bob Marley,

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Speaker 1: had he not died of cancer, if he had lived on,

881
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: he'd be seven. He wounded this year, which is crazy

882
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 1: to think of. He's actually getting to that weird time

883
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 1: where someone has been gone longer than they were alive,

884
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: because he died at thirty six, so he's all. You know,

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00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: next year will have hit as long without as the

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00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: world had with just kind of a weird thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to I just toss out one of the

888
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: one of the possibilities said it was just some angry

889
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: guys about politics. It might have just been angry guys too,

890
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: which has you know, when I was reading about reading

891
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: up on this and the slum culture of Kingston and stuff,

892
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: it's like a lot of those places where life is

893
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: cheap and and the biggest coin of the realm is respect.

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00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: You know, if somebody disrespects you and that's caused to

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Speaker 1: kill him. So it could have been it he was

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00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: just rude to somebody. It could be. But I really

897
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: here's my problem with the it's just some random resident

898
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Speaker 1: of the area who was angry the election and the concert. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's is that Bob Marley was obscenely generous to the people.

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Speaker 1: People came to his house and he gave food and

901
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: money to people constantly. He was supporting so many people

902
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Speaker 1: that he kind of had at times he had money

903
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: troubles of his own because he was giving away so

904
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Speaker 1: much of his money. So that's why I really it

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00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: seems really stupid to bite the hand that feeds. But again,

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Speaker 1: like you said, like sometimes that lot of just doesn't

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Speaker 1: play in. Maybe people thought, oh, well if we kill

908
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: and we can steal all this stuff and then we'll

909
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: really be yeah, you know, take his takes all of

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00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: his heart earned money. Yuh. Yeah. It turns out that

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00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: if you really left the crime stats and everything, I'll

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00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: here in the States, it's where as well as other places,

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Speaker 1: most people that commit crimes like this aren't terribly bright.

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Speaker 1: They're not in the habit of thinking very far out

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Speaker 1: of the future. Planning. Planning is not a strong suit. Yeah, alright, well,

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