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Speaker 1: It is our flagship show. Every week where we talk
Speaker 1: about everything that went down on the Sunday that was
Speaker 1: in the NFL, A Sunday that was gloriously um low
Speaker 1: to nil on COVID nineteen. Talk. Now, the schedule, the
Speaker 1: schedule goes on because of COVID nineteen in an unconventional way,
Speaker 1: with two games on Monday and another game on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: But for this Sunday, you wake up this morning, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys do the same thing. First thing
Speaker 1: I do when I wake up on Sundays. Now, I
Speaker 1: head over and I get online, and I say, all right,
Speaker 1: what's what's horrible? Thing is happening in the league connected
Speaker 1: to the global pandemic? Nothing today? And that was nice,
Speaker 1: big way. I hadn't even about that. That's how I guess.
Speaker 1: That's how nice it was, not to him knock on wood.
Speaker 1: All right, So yes, and this COVID free Sunday in
Speaker 1: the NFL. On some level, of course, there are players
Speaker 1: that missed the games because of COVID, players that opted
Speaker 1: out of the whole season. So I guess, no, see,
Speaker 1: no Sundays truly COVID free. But that's it. No more
Speaker 1: COVID references for the rest of the show. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get into every game, starting today's show. Uh with a
Speaker 1: game that I know Mark Sessler will treasure until his
Speaker 1: dying day. Eight Feld from under Shutter Play Action Paid
Speaker 1: Gluten likes it out to the right. He's throwing down
Speaker 1: the right sideline. He's got people's shows wide open. He's
Speaker 1: gone twenty ten five touched on seventy five yards on
Speaker 1: one play. Wow dog Oh. Mark Bong goes to start
Speaker 1: the show. Browns, Browns, Browns, Browns, Browns nine three. We
Speaker 1: were waiting for a big Baker performance. We got it
Speaker 1: on Sunday. The former number one pick through four first
Speaker 1: half touchdown passes cap By that gorgeous dime to Donnie
Speaker 1: Football was the final over the Titans. Sessler Cleveland didn't
Speaker 1: quite coast to the finish line in the way you
Speaker 1: would have liked, I imagine, but this was a huge
Speaker 1: win for a nine and three team. Nine and three Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean though, the second half got a little weird,
Speaker 1: and um, I had people tweeting at me saying, why
Speaker 1: aren't you tweeting during this game. It's like, I'm not
Speaker 1: touching this thing until it's over. Because Dan I the
Speaker 1: only person I communicated with was Dan and I was
Speaker 1: not expressing confidence even even you know, minutes after halftime.
Speaker 1: But the way that they built that first half lead,
Speaker 1: I thought UM wasn't was instructive about Kevin Stefanski and
Speaker 1: UM the flexibility of the Brown's offense, which which surprised me.
Speaker 1: They came out throwing the ball and you know, it
Speaker 1: was build all week a certain way, and this is
Speaker 1: what we do with games. It's gonna be you know,
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt verse Derrick Henry and it's
Speaker 1: gonna look like something out of ninety UM. And it
Speaker 1: couldn't have been more more opposite. Uh. And it was
Speaker 1: the game where that I waited for Baker Mayfield. He's
Speaker 1: had a couple of these, but they've been in more
Speaker 1: low wattage scenarios where he made every throw and he
Speaker 1: threw aggressively, and UM, they weren't. They showed no fear
Speaker 1: in terms of their game plan, and I thought that
Speaker 1: they they surprised most people watching UM the game, and
Speaker 1: they surprised the Titans. I think they you know, last
Speaker 1: week the Titans went out and broke the cults with
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry by halftime. That didn't happen this time because
Speaker 1: the Titans, I thought, came back with a lot of resilience. UM,
Speaker 1: but Cleveland's defense, which was missing Denzel Ward and Ronnie Harrison,
Speaker 1: which I viewed as a death sentence. I thought that
Speaker 1: was probably gonna mark the end of any chance to really,
Speaker 1: um win this thing. I it couldn't have been wrong
Speaker 1: more wrong about how this played out in the first half,
Speaker 1: and they made just enough plays in the second half
Speaker 1: to uh, you know, put it away and it it
Speaker 1: to me. Um. The Browns, I think fairly we're looked
Speaker 1: at is one of these teams that gets off to
Speaker 1: a start where you look at the record and say, well,
Speaker 1: we're not buying your record because of who have you
Speaker 1: who you've played, UM, but now you you add one
Speaker 1: to the belt that says, look, we beat the Titans, UM,
Speaker 1: a team that I think they're pretty evenly matched with
Speaker 1: on some level. UM. And they overachieved a little bit
Speaker 1: today maybe, But it kind of shows what the Browns
Speaker 1: can do, and that whenever we count these teams out
Speaker 1: or look look past them or discredit them, which I
Speaker 1: do all the time with teams with inflated records, UM,
Speaker 1: they can still surprise you. They beat the Titans at
Speaker 1: their own game, really coming out with the play action.
Speaker 1: Both teams used a lot of play action today and
Speaker 1: it was glorious. It was It was a fun first half.
Speaker 1: And Baker Mayfield, it seems like every I don't know,
Speaker 1: month or two has one of these games where every
Speaker 1: asked his PenPoint accurate. His ball placement is uncanny, and
Speaker 1: he should have had five touchdowns in the first taff
Speaker 1: Donovan People's Jones dropped the layup and the opening drive
Speaker 1: of the game, and Baker honestly deserved to have better
Speaker 1: stats at halftime, I mean it was thirty eight to seven.
Speaker 1: You can tell by Mark's kind of recap and just
Speaker 1: how he explained his day, he's uncomfortable, um with all
Speaker 1: this success and all this goodness. I mean, they were
Speaker 1: up thirty eight to seven in the game. As you mentioned, U,
Speaker 1: Mark that like we, we were skeptical and we were
Speaker 1: looking at their record that Baker Mayfield had was touched
Speaker 1: one time. The Titans had one quarterback hit and it
Speaker 1: was on a middle linebacker Blitz. So that shows where right,
Speaker 1: That shows you where the Titans are and why I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna lose because of their past defense ultimately
Speaker 1: in the playoffs at some point whoever they end up playing,
Speaker 1: and it shows you that the Browns can take advantage
Speaker 1: of a past defense that bad. It's it's awesome, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a great performance. The Browns are
Speaker 1: kind of strange team because when things are clicking for them, uh,
Speaker 1: they look incredible. And I think they followed the lead
Speaker 1: of their quarterback Baker Mayfield, because we've seen him have
Speaker 1: dog games this year. We've seen him as recently as
Speaker 1: last week miss open receivers and just be kind of
Speaker 1: so up and down. But then every once in a while,
Speaker 1: the stars aligned and he looks like exactly the guy
Speaker 1: the Browns thought they were getting when they took him
Speaker 1: number one overall a few years back. And this was
Speaker 1: one of those days. And I find it. Here's the
Speaker 1: here's the key for because everybody is that listens to
Speaker 1: our podcast is fascinated by Mark's Brown's fandom. And let
Speaker 1: me give you a little skeleton key to understand it.
Speaker 1: When the when the Browns are suffering and when they're
Speaker 1: going through there there there, you know, terrible phase, which
Speaker 1: was a long time for this podcast, Mark. Mark will
Speaker 1: use that despair that will come often that will come
Speaker 1: out of his pores and out of his mouth, and
Speaker 1: you could feel how upset he is when the Browns
Speaker 1: are doing well. Mark, you tend to internalize it, I
Speaker 1: find and you, I know there's a lot of joy
Speaker 1: within you right now you're not sharing that with this,
Speaker 1: But I know it has to be special that the
Speaker 1: Browns and I'll say it again, the Browns are nine
Speaker 1: and three. Mark, let it out. It is. It is special.
Speaker 1: I think part of it is that it's happening this
Speaker 1: year in this time, um, which is a very weird time. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's like it feels a bit like a dream. Um.
Speaker 1: I am happy in my honestly when I started when
Speaker 1: it starts to um, you know, Cleveland stacking wins is
Speaker 1: not happening twenty five years. So when it happens like
Speaker 1: I kind of like on Sunday night when we're done
Speaker 1: with everything and I'm sort of just sitting there watching
Speaker 1: like highlights and stuff and like, whoa this is going on.
Speaker 1: So I and I'm not, um trying to be uh,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to downplay it. Um. It's also like
Speaker 1: it is no but it's a it is a vicarious experience.
Speaker 1: So it's like I had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1: I find it odd that people are like a great job, mark,
Speaker 1: like I've been on this great job. It's like I
Speaker 1: had Literally I've sat in a chair of the all time.
Speaker 1: But um, it is awesome. And like I I like,
Speaker 1: for me, everything starts with coaching and I it's like that.
Speaker 1: It's not smoking mirrors entirely. I think they're well coached,
Speaker 1: they're well prepared. That's the thing that I kind of
Speaker 1: in most hopeful about that they haven't had a good
Speaker 1: game day coach um since Bill Belichick. I mean, they
Speaker 1: really haven't. Here's the thing, like your your resume, how
Speaker 1: you played, like in the first eleven or twelve games.
Speaker 1: We a lot of times think like you're as dangerous
Speaker 1: in the playoffs as like you're you're aggregate good things
Speaker 1: you've done during the regular season. It doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter that much. It's how you're playing when you're
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. When you get there. They got to
Speaker 1: eight and three, somehow can they play their very best
Speaker 1: here moving forward? With a good coach and a great
Speaker 1: offensive line like that, that is a team that you
Speaker 1: would not want to see in the playoffs. And now
Speaker 1: they get to play the Ravens. And by the way,
Speaker 1: they're not totally out of the a f C, out
Speaker 1: of the a f C North. If the Steelers lost
Speaker 1: against Washington, I'm just saying that's a big if. But
Speaker 1: if they lost to Washington away, here's the thing. If
Speaker 1: the Browns off the Steelers on the schedule, they'd be
Speaker 1: back to with four to go, including a head to head.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it wouldn't be totally over, not mathematically
Speaker 1: big moment, and if people do want to know what
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, When Mark Sessler's in the moment, he
Speaker 1: was very nervous when the Titans put up fifteen straight
Speaker 1: points to start the third quarter. I told him that
Speaker 1: Titans defense is bad, don't worry about it, and then
Speaker 1: we both agreed. When the Browns were able to get
Speaker 1: that big Nick Chubb run and they kicked the field goal,
Speaker 1: that calm things down and and then it made you
Speaker 1: feel better about things. And it never really was that
Speaker 1: dicey after that. You felt pretty good From that point on, right, Mark,
Speaker 1: I felt safer. I mean, I you know you we've
Speaker 1: all watched collapses and I I'm the someone that never
Speaker 1: trusts a team that gets up really really big at
Speaker 1: halftime because there's so much time left, and I thought
Speaker 1: Cleveland came out real flat and some weird things were
Speaker 1: happening and the Titans went hurry up. Um, you know
Speaker 1: that field goal changed the demeanor of the game, Like
Speaker 1: you said, well said, calmed it down a bit. It's
Speaker 1: like it was someone going absolutely nuts, like a friend
Speaker 1: of yours going absolutely nuts in a public setting. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe the bouncer hit him in the head once and
Speaker 1: he sits down in a chair. That it was West
Speaker 1: a big bear in Well, that's been all of us
Speaker 1: at some point. Um, all right, good stuff. And if
Speaker 1: you're Titans fan, you're like, what I mean, they're kind
Speaker 1: of a tough team to figure out West. We know
Speaker 1: their defense is an issue that's been on everyone's radar
Speaker 1: all season. Uh, but to to lay an egg at
Speaker 1: that level in the first two quarters of this game.
Speaker 1: Are they a team you struggle to take seriously in January?
Speaker 1: Or did they or did they put enough out there
Speaker 1: in the past with and you know, with the players
Speaker 1: that they have, where you think they could shake this
Speaker 1: off and still close out this season the right way
Speaker 1: and be a team to watch this week. Hurts, and
Speaker 1: not just because of this loss, because they had to
Speaker 1: put Jadevan Clowney on I R and his season is over.
Speaker 1: I keep waiting for their defense to get better, taking
Speaker 1: a door. Jackson's gonna come back and slid afy their cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: Clowney's gonna finally come alive as a pass rusher, but
Speaker 1: those dreams are over. Brian Border has got destroyed today
Speaker 1: at cornerback. I don't know when a Dore Jackson is
Speaker 1: coming back, but as Greg has been pointing out, this
Speaker 1: pass rush is way too weak for the cornerbacks to
Speaker 1: even really matter that much. No tackles either, And they
Speaker 1: just suspended Isaiah Wilson after one of the you know,
Speaker 1: worst first round yuh pick seasons in memory, uh for
Speaker 1: an undisclosed reason. So they're on their you know, third, third,
Speaker 1: and fourth tackles and they can't play their first rounder
Speaker 1: because he's suspended. So that h. Wilson's does not seem
Speaker 1: super focused on football based on what we know about him.
Speaker 1: I mean, the first round pick looks like a knucklehead.
Speaker 1: You signed Vic Beasley, what a disaster. Clowney has been
Speaker 1: a huge bust. Uh. They didn't get they didn't get
Speaker 1: better with their big impact moves in the off season.
Speaker 1: Let's move on behind it. It's intercepted Troy Hill, the
Speaker 1: thirty five, the twenty, the ten Hill high step in
Speaker 1: pick six for Troy Hill to put it out of reach. West.
Speaker 1: We know that man. He's a hero amongst heroes. JB.
Speaker 1: Long KESPN with the call, Troy Hill, jumped the route,
Speaker 1: snagged the Kyler Murray spiral, took it to the house,
Speaker 1: game clinching pick six and the Rams win over the
Speaker 1: Cardinals in Glendale. Great all around effort by Los Angeles
Speaker 1: in this game. Jared goff threugh for over three fifty yards,
Speaker 1: scored twice, didn't turn the ball over and obviously notable
Speaker 1: after his head coach Sean they put him on blast
Speaker 1: after last week's meltdown loss in which he turned the
Speaker 1: ball over repeatedly. You also got Darryl Henderson ripping off
Speaker 1: a thirty eight yard touchdown run, Aaron Donald with a
Speaker 1: couple more sacks, and as I said, He'll capping it
Speaker 1: off with that pick six to seal it. The win,
Speaker 1: combined with the Seattle's loss to the Giant spoiler alert
Speaker 1: moves l A back into a first place tie with
Speaker 1: the in the NFC West of four games to play.
Speaker 1: And more importantly, this is exactly the game. And that's
Speaker 1: why I locked up the Rams because I know their
Speaker 1: defense is top level. If their offense can just move
Speaker 1: things up and be more consistent and stop turning the
Speaker 1: ball over, this team is gonna win probably eleven games,
Speaker 1: and that might be enough to win a division title. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the it's not just the fact that they
Speaker 1: won the game, it's how they won the game that
Speaker 1: the Cardinals almost felt lucky to be in this that
Speaker 1: it was. They doubled up their total yardage the Rams
Speaker 1: against the Cardinals. Uh, they moved the ball day in
Speaker 1: their defense, except for a couple of little things, you know,
Speaker 1: pretty much controlled things. And that's because the Cardinals are
Speaker 1: are two one dimensional passing. I know people think it's
Speaker 1: his shoulder injury with Murray, even though he's throwing the
Speaker 1: ball awesome and he's certainly running the ball fine. I
Speaker 1: think defenses are forcing him to hand the ball off
Speaker 1: and they're they're doing whatever they can to stop DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 1: who had thirteen targets for fifty two yards, which that
Speaker 1: sounds pretty bad, but then all the non DeAndre Hopkins
Speaker 1: wide receivers there, Uh had I think ah A combined
Speaker 1: thirty something yards on twelve targets. So it's like it's
Speaker 1: it's Hopkins or nothing, and it's not a sustaining offense.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't surprise me that like a great defense
Speaker 1: like the Rams just puts the clamps on him. Dan.
Speaker 1: I did speak with j b uh yesterday Saturday when
Speaker 1: we're putting up the Christmas lights outside Uh and for
Speaker 1: the first time since really i've met him, he was
Speaker 1: not confident in this quarterback. Interesting and I don't want
Speaker 1: to give too much away because it's his job sort
Speaker 1: of to be you know. He was like West, this
Speaker 1: is definitely off the record, but I'm want to let
Speaker 1: you know how I'm feeling ultimately the job to support
Speaker 1: the team. But I think when the head coach comes
Speaker 1: out and has doubts, it's okay for the play by.
Speaker 1: Plague got to say, Okay, what's going on here? And
Speaker 1: I think we're to the point where it's like, is
Speaker 1: he the same way maybe Jimmy Garoppolo was with the
Speaker 1: forty niners, where you're on a year to year basis
Speaker 1: with golf? Now, is that where we're at. I mean
Speaker 1: maybe and the maybe it's prohibitive with the contract that
Speaker 1: they gave him. Uh, this is a marriage. I think
Speaker 1: that's gonna go on. But if you just want to
Speaker 1: go off and it is a week to week league,
Speaker 1: I thought he played really well in this game. He
Speaker 1: scored twice, once on the ground, once through the air,
Speaker 1: protective the ball, like I said, And you know, he
Speaker 1: is never gonna be maybe the guy they thought he
Speaker 1: could be. That's that's kind of where I come down
Speaker 1: on golf, that he's not a superstar or a star.
Speaker 1: I kind of put him, uh in the similar classes
Speaker 1: Baker that where you they are the type of quarterbacks
Speaker 1: when things are going right and we have the right
Speaker 1: team around him. Uh, there may be like like an
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton level or better. Perhaps That's kind of where
Speaker 1: I see golf. So I've never thought him as a
Speaker 1: huge problem for them. I know he was last week
Speaker 1: and in this game he certainly wasn't. I just thought,
Speaker 1: like Greg said, just a great all around effort and
Speaker 1: it was it. I know the Seahawks are also a
Speaker 1: good team, and they struggled a lot, but I am
Speaker 1: not going to be surprised at the Rams of the
Speaker 1: team that ends up winning this division because I think
Speaker 1: if their offense continues to stay around this level, I
Speaker 1: just think that the most balanced team. It's such a
Speaker 1: tight it's such a tight division too, that like, if
Speaker 1: the Rams are just gonna play better down the stretch
Speaker 1: over the next four games, they will win this division.
Speaker 1: Based on what I saw from Seattle, Table'll get to that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just seems to me, for while every
Speaker 1: third game from Jared Goff leaves us shaking our heads. Um,
Speaker 1: to your point, the defense finds someone or multiple people
Speaker 1: to step up every week. Troy Hill had a touchdown
Speaker 1: last week too. I mean they you know, they seem
Speaker 1: to find different heroes on a weekly basis, and that's
Speaker 1: an awesome recipe to win a division and win a
Speaker 1: playoff games. So I you know, I've been real hard
Speaker 1: on this team. Um, not really so much because of
Speaker 1: the team, but because of other things. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: chill on it for a little bit. No one needs
Speaker 1: to hear it from me. Yeah, on the Cardinals, because Mark,
Speaker 1: you were very high in the Cardinals a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: but now they are they are one Hail Murray away
Speaker 1: from a five game losing streak. Yeah, and the Patriots
Speaker 1: game cooled me on them a little too. They were
Speaker 1: figured out, I thought against New England, it just seems
Speaker 1: like this, this was not a good matchup for them,
Speaker 1: And I thought, uh, you know, just like Bill Belichick did.
Speaker 1: The Rams and their defensive coordinator, uh Staley, Brandon Staley
Speaker 1: deserves a lot of credit for the game plan which
Speaker 1: didn't allow Kyler to get out of the pocket the
Speaker 1: way he wanted to. And then they have enough speed
Speaker 1: on defense where they can, uh, you know, go one
Speaker 1: on one with a guy spying Murray, just taking that
Speaker 1: element of the game away. And then if you're a
Speaker 1: defense that has a lockdown corner like the Ramsey with
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, it kind of plays right into their hands
Speaker 1: a game like this. So the Cardinals at six and
Speaker 1: six by by division. Uh, and now you're just you know,
Speaker 1: you're holding on for dear life, trying to figure out
Speaker 1: a way to get your season back on track. And
Speaker 1: take a look real quick here. We don't need to
Speaker 1: play the look at game too much on the Sunday
Speaker 1: night recap show. But you have the Giants up next,
Speaker 1: Eagles Niners. Rams. I mean, I can't I can't like
Speaker 1: write a be on any of those right now. With
Speaker 1: the Cardinals because they just are so inconsistent. They should
Speaker 1: beat the Eagles, but they're They're two and five in
Speaker 1: their last seven. I think they've been ahead of their
Speaker 1: skis all year. And I don't think people should be
Speaker 1: too hard on Kyler Murray or the Cardinals if they
Speaker 1: win eight games after winning eight games combined the last two,
Speaker 1: they're done. They're not that talented, like I, I just
Speaker 1: don't not I just don't think they're a talented team.
Speaker 1: So the Rams are a lot more talented. I think
Speaker 1: they're a little bit better coach to the Rams, And
Speaker 1: to me, it's not a surprise that it's gonna be
Speaker 1: the Rams and the Seahawks plane for this division. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move up. Wilson takes the snap, he's back to throw,
Speaker 1: he's under pressure, flushed out to his lap stands back there. Now,
Speaker 1: he's gonna mood ball it down the middle of the
Speaker 1: field high in the year, bout it down and it complete,
Speaker 1: and the New York Giants are gonna leave Seattle with
Speaker 1: a victory. So we're hearing a lot from Bob Popa
Speaker 1: on this show. In recent weeks of w F A
Speaker 1: N because the GMN, who do they keep winning? Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson frustrated all game long by the Big Blue defense,
Speaker 1: right to the very end on a desperation fourth down
Speaker 1: prayer that went unanswered in a twelve win for New
Speaker 1: York at the stadium formerly known as the Clink Mark
Speaker 1: with your boy Colt McCoy behind center of the Giants.
Speaker 1: They looked like cannon fodder going into this game. How
Speaker 1: do they make everyone looks so foolish? Well, I think
Speaker 1: it's two words, Patrick Graham and we you know, Greg,
Speaker 1: I think you first mentioned him on our Thursday show
Speaker 1: that you know he had been doing, um a good job.
Speaker 1: That Dolphins esque type stuff happening with the Giants defense,
Speaker 1: They just I thought made um life very difficult for
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. Um from the outset with all sorts of
Speaker 1: disguise coverages, zone blitzes, they just threw him off his game.
Speaker 1: They had a fumbled snap at one point, a lot
Speaker 1: of inaccurate throws. Um. I think they were bringing pressure.
Speaker 1: And I mean Russell Wilson sees the field as any
Speaker 1: as well as anyone, and I thought today they confused
Speaker 1: him a little bit um and they just, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like, in the course of doing this show
Speaker 1: post the Super Bowl Giants team that they were just
Speaker 1: this no name defense, and I'm starting to see these
Speaker 1: guys start to play together with a lot of confidence.
Speaker 1: I mean it starts with Leonard Williams, who had two
Speaker 1: and a half sacks and was a monster today. Um,
Speaker 1: but guys that I guess you would call no namers
Speaker 1: like Carter Coughlin, Tay Crowder, Blake Martinez who we know
Speaker 1: but he was a little banged up today, but he's
Speaker 1: been consistent for them. James Bradberry made a couple of
Speaker 1: huge plays. They're just a really productive defense and they're
Speaker 1: really sound. And their sacks on Russell Wilson accounted for
Speaker 1: losses of eight yards, eight yards, eleven yards, fifteen yards.
Speaker 1: These came on third downs. They they snuffed out Seattle
Speaker 1: and it came down like every Seahawks game to that
Speaker 1: final throw where you thought Seattle is just gonna win
Speaker 1: this game and it didn't happen this time. And and
Speaker 1: to me, it like gave me hope that there is
Speaker 1: a team in the NFC East that's really interesting. Le coached. Um,
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of this team has a
Speaker 1: lot of confidence in themselves, and I don't really I
Speaker 1: won't really point to the offense other than say that
Speaker 1: like Wayne Goldman week after week does does more than
Speaker 1: we would have expect someone named Wayae Goldman to do.
Speaker 1: He had a big sixty yard run today, Alfred Morris.
Speaker 1: There was at one point when Colt McCoy threw a
Speaker 1: touchdown pass to Alfred Morris to put them up um
Speaker 1: by a chunk, And I thought, what is happening here?
Speaker 1: This is twenty and it's beautiful. Um call McCoy just
Speaker 1: did he did just enough. You know, he's he is
Speaker 1: who he is. We moment, I bet he was. He
Speaker 1: wasn't sure he was ever going to get something like
Speaker 1: a road win in Seattle. Ever again, well you're right
Speaker 1: at this his first win since and he made a
Speaker 1: couple a couple of big throws, especially late in the game,
Speaker 1: to help uh, you know, chip in one last field goal.
Speaker 1: It was a gutsy win for the Giants. And I
Speaker 1: think that, like these teams are two or three teams
Speaker 1: over the course of the season, and they're a very
Speaker 1: different team than they were in September. It's funny because
Speaker 1: I remember talking on this podcast. I was talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, the different teams and looking ahead, and the
Speaker 1: Giants were viewed as an also ran and not a
Speaker 1: team to take serious. And perhaps there are still not.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously they're the they're leading NFC East, and
Speaker 1: there's sub five hundreds, so we can't get two carried
Speaker 1: away with this. But I remember specifically a conversation like
Speaker 1: name one player of merit UH an impact player on
Speaker 1: their defense. And fast forward now to early December, and
Speaker 1: it's their defense that just went to Seattle and dropped
Speaker 1: a bomb on Russell Wilson. I think it's a testament
Speaker 1: to a couple of things. I mean, number one, UH coaching, well,
Speaker 1: number one the players for their ability to execute. Number
Speaker 1: two coaching, And three there have been some moves here,
Speaker 1: and I know I tread carefully here West it's not
Speaker 1: safe space around these parts. Dave Gettleman made some moves
Speaker 1: that went under the radar, including Leonard Williams getting him
Speaker 1: in the building, James Bradberry, Blake Martinez. These guys have
Speaker 1: built Jabrill Peppers, have built the foundation of a good defense. Now, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think you want to really get into Dave
Speaker 1: him in draft picks, but his free agent hall has
Speaker 1: been magnificent. The guys, you guys both mentioned James Bradberry
Speaker 1: having a legitimate Pro Bowl you're, if not all pro,
Speaker 1: Blake Martinez having a career year, Leonard Williams having a
Speaker 1: career year, if not a Pro Bowl year. All three
Speaker 1: of those guys were free agents, and Leonard Williams was
Speaker 1: a priority for them. M I mean in the biggest
Speaker 1: pick he made was Judge. If we're got you know,
Speaker 1: to me, that Judge hires Graham away from Miami, that
Speaker 1: was a win win. Miami didn't need to let him
Speaker 1: leave that that was kind of interesting. He was their coordinator.
Speaker 1: He had to ask for permission. They decided to help
Speaker 1: out his career. I think he's close with Flora's. Both
Speaker 1: sides are winning with that. But hiring Judge and Judge
Speaker 1: iron Graham and that is you gotta give Gettleman credit
Speaker 1: for that. They should be better than I know. They're
Speaker 1: five and seven, but they they lost some brutal ones
Speaker 1: early and to me, they're playing much better, much better
Speaker 1: two losses in this stretch. Now they've won four straight.
Speaker 1: The two losses before that were by one and two points,
Speaker 1: so like this team could easily you could flip their
Speaker 1: record right now, so they really are I think what's
Speaker 1: up goes the other way. They could have lost to
Speaker 1: the Bengals last week too, I know, but they dominated
Speaker 1: that game. That's okay, that's they seemed to me. And
Speaker 1: this is also dangerous footing in this season to be
Speaker 1: the best team in the NFC East. Uh and they
Speaker 1: we can wait a week, but that's true right now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, by the way, I'm you know, I know
Speaker 1: we haven't done the fork all year other than your guys.
Speaker 1: Is regrettable premature forking of the forty niners. But I'm
Speaker 1: I'm sticking a fork in in Russell Wilson's m v
Speaker 1: P campaign. I think you tried to a week ago
Speaker 1: and I stick got in your way. Um, but now
Speaker 1: two more turtles. It's probably like a two man race
Speaker 1: now right against Homes. He's out of it. Kyler is
Speaker 1: out to stick a fork and Kyler as well been out.
Speaker 1: It was never in well, I thought Russell was out
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, but apparently I think I
Speaker 1: never know any MVB talk. It's like, are we even
Speaker 1: allowed to have it because I haven't seen played well
Speaker 1: enough that if he had gone on fire the last
Speaker 1: five weeks of the season, you couldn't have told me
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have been in the mix. But don't we
Speaker 1: trust it? Like some too many problems. Don't we trust
Speaker 1: some voters who watched like only the team on their
Speaker 1: like local TVs, probably throwing a few votes out there
Speaker 1: that don't make a lot of sense, or are we?
Speaker 1: Are they more sound than that? At this point you're
Speaker 1: saying you're not standing behind Tony Dungee voting for Bobby
Speaker 1: Wagner in that I mean, I'm not allowed into the
Speaker 1: Pro Football Writers Association, so obviously you know they're afraid
Speaker 1: of what I might vote for. I don't want to
Speaker 1: glance over though, the fact that the Seahawks got shut
Speaker 1: down at home by the Giants, Uh, that is that's strange.
Speaker 1: This is a team of full strength. You had Chris Carson,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Tyler Lockett, DK Metcalf. You would think that
Speaker 1: points would rain down, and yet the offense is going
Speaker 1: in the wrong direction as the defense is getting better,
Speaker 1: and ain't this life? The offense is going the other way.
Speaker 1: It was pass rush, I mean like Wilson is deals
Speaker 1: with pass rush really well. But they got to him,
Speaker 1: I mean, and they they ended drives um, and they could,
Speaker 1: like I said, it confused him. And just don't see
Speaker 1: that happen too often. It is. I think it's just
Speaker 1: more like, let's warm up to what this Giant's defense
Speaker 1: might actually be. This line has been bad for a month.
Speaker 1: Though they've been bad for a month. They were bad
Speaker 1: on Monday Night against the Eagles too. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think they've been bad for a month, and it's a
Speaker 1: lot to overcome. Their offensive line was bad today. Cheff
Speaker 1: Wheeler got destroyed, he got killed. Um. Wilson doesn't usually
Speaker 1: express himself too much on the field, but you could,
Speaker 1: like Mark said, he could see it on his face.
Speaker 1: He was frustrated with the lack of protection he was getting. Uh.
Speaker 1: And the Giants, like the Great Giants defenses of yesteryear,
Speaker 1: um getting pressure without needing to blitz that the front
Speaker 1: four doing the damage. All right, let's move up Bailey
Speaker 1: from three to walk off snap spot Bailey sixth. When
Speaker 1: the Vikings win, even Paul Allen's like, you really, Vikings,
Speaker 1: you really mean to get excited after that performance? Paul
Speaker 1: Allen and k f A n You know, the Jaguars
Speaker 1: have perfected the art of almost winning. Harrison Smith intercepted
Speaker 1: Mike Lennon in overtime, setting up a dramatic chip shot
Speaker 1: game winner from Dan Bailey and the Vikings four overtime
Speaker 1: win at US Bank Stadium. The Vikings, once left for dead,
Speaker 1: are now six and six, and I believe right now
Speaker 1: they sit in the seventh spot for the playoffs. So
Speaker 1: quite a season turnaround from Minnesota. Greg. This game, like
Speaker 1: the game up there in the Great Pacific Northwest, looked
Speaker 1: like a blowout on paper? Why didn't it play out
Speaker 1: that way? The Vikings offensive line more than anything, But man,
Speaker 1: they find ways to not win games. I think that's
Speaker 1: been a trade of their's. And I know they came
Speaker 1: back and won the game last week and Joey Slide
Speaker 1: missed the kicker else you know they wouldn't have, but
Speaker 1: they just they've had times this year when they can
Speaker 1: put the game away. Even during this etch where Cousins
Speaker 1: is playing well, Like a couple of weeks ago, you
Speaker 1: get two chances to go beat the Cowboys at the end,
Speaker 1: don't do it on offense. I counted six straight drives
Speaker 1: late in this game after they took over against you know,
Speaker 1: an underman Jaguars team got the lead after being down
Speaker 1: by ten points to the Vikings credit. You score two touchdowns,
Speaker 1: you get a lead, six more possessions. The Vikings offense
Speaker 1: doesn't do anything. A couple of those started in Jacksonville territory,
Speaker 1: so the Vikings defense would keep setting them up over
Speaker 1: and over and either Cousins missed the throw, or they're
Speaker 1: running too much on early downs or the past protection collapses.
Speaker 1: That was probably the number one thing where you got
Speaker 1: to the point where the Jaguars had the ball in
Speaker 1: overtime with the chance to win, because the Vikings blew
Speaker 1: their first chance in overtime, and you're thinking, wow, are
Speaker 1: they really got to blow this game to Mike Glennon
Speaker 1: who scored eight points on you know, a game time
Speaker 1: drive to get the overtime. No, No, the vi the
Speaker 1: Jaguars are too good at losing these close games didn't happen.
Speaker 1: That so disappointing because obviously, as a Jets fan, if
Speaker 1: you can get the if you can get the Jaguars
Speaker 1: to two wins or even a win in a tie,
Speaker 1: you're feeling awesome. About the Trevor sweep steaks. And when
Speaker 1: you get the three and out and the Vikings punting
Speaker 1: from deep in their own end, you're like, all right,
Speaker 1: we're cooking here, just need a field goal. Then then
Speaker 1: the punt goes deep, and then there's a penalty that
Speaker 1: pushes them back to inside their own twenty, and then
Speaker 1: they have an open DJ shark over the middle near
Speaker 1: midfield and Mike Glennon. Glennon's it uh for the I
Speaker 1: N T And it was all she wrote after that.
Speaker 1: I believe the last five Jaguars losses have all been
Speaker 1: by four points or less, something in that range. So
Speaker 1: some good teams too. It's incredible how they week after
Speaker 1: week they hang in these games. You go, leading into
Speaker 1: the week, everyone's just talking about how terrible their defense
Speaker 1: is and how the quarterback stinks and all this, and
Speaker 1: then in the fourth quarter it's tied with two minutes
Speaker 1: to play. I guess I would give you hope that
Speaker 1: whether you know, if you're someone that's looking, uh, they're
Speaker 1: looking to hire a head coach and in a general
Speaker 1: manager after this season, potentially you had a quarterback, like
Speaker 1: a game changing quarterback to that mix. They're not maybe
Speaker 1: that far away. I mean something. None of these guys
Speaker 1: are gonna be there anyway, so who knows what they're
Speaker 1: gonna are they gonna dump the entire roster off the mountain? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm saying the new coach for the new coach coming in,
Speaker 1: or like the new regime, like there's something to sell here.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not a total trash bag on fire,
Speaker 1: but I go ahead, West. I would say there's one
Speaker 1: beat scribe in Jacksonville who has been saying all years
Speaker 1: since September that he's guaranteeing the Jaguars are a playoff
Speaker 1: team next year. He's that impressed with their young talent.
Speaker 1: I think they are talented. I mean, Shark made a
Speaker 1: couple of great plays. James Robinson has been awesome. You know,
Speaker 1: Miles jack is in his prime. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they have a ton of talent on and they lost.
Speaker 1: The crazy thing is you come out for this game
Speaker 1: and it started as bad as bad for the Vikings
Speaker 1: as possible. Eric Kendricks hurt himself fifteen minutes before the game,
Speaker 1: which you never hear, like the post inactive injury that
Speaker 1: doesn't happen too much. So he's out and the Jaguars
Speaker 1: are up nine nothing and have thirteen first downs before
Speaker 1: the Vikings have three, and then there's kind of a
Speaker 1: flukey interception that that turns around. But it's just surprising
Speaker 1: to see them get dominated for stretches the Vikings. You've
Speaker 1: seen that where like they look like the inferior team
Speaker 1: here in the first quarter and in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: it didn't seem that Flukey Glennon. Glennon had three turnovers
Speaker 1: and you know it was not the solution. He also
Speaker 1: had a bunch of dimes, especially on that game time drive.
Speaker 1: So that that's been the experience. That's the experience of them.
Speaker 1: I mean, Kirk Cousins I see over his last five
Speaker 1: games has fourteen touchdowns, two picks. I mean he's been
Speaker 1: clean today. Might I mean you're saying today was problematic
Speaker 1: to some degree, but I mean they wasn't on him.
Speaker 1: I don't trust their old line. But there's six and six.
Speaker 1: They're in the playoffs right now. That's insane to me. Well,
Speaker 1: they had the Bucks and Saints as two of three
Speaker 1: opponents over the next three weeks, with the Bears and
Speaker 1: Lions around that, So that's that's doable. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to pull off an upset there though, I think over
Speaker 1: one of these heavies. The Kendricks injury and it was
Speaker 1: a caf injury reminds me speaking of old Jets misery.
Speaker 1: Back in Neil o'donald was fumbling his way through his
Speaker 1: first season with the team, and during pregame warmups, he
Speaker 1: took a step on where the helmet was painted in
Speaker 1: the end zone and it was slick and he slid
Speaker 1: and tore his calf muscle. That so hopefully it's not
Speaker 1: something that serious. But whenever a calf muscle uh tears,
Speaker 1: I think of Neil O'Donnell. Any other thoughts on this game?
Speaker 1: All right, good stuff, Let's move on. Comes car back
Speaker 1: now he comes up, gonna fire again, going for Rugs.
Speaker 1: Rugs has got it. Touchdown, Jack Pott Ferry, Vegas touchdown,
Speaker 1: Vegas touchdown. Jack Pott had away Uncle Brent with the
Speaker 1: call for k r LV. Yes. The Raiders needed a
Speaker 1: miracle to keep their season from circling the drain. They
Speaker 1: got it in the form of a Derek car forty
Speaker 1: six yard touchdown past the Henry Ruggs with seconds to play,
Speaker 1: the difference in a thirty one to win over the
Speaker 1: off fore mentioned New York Jets at the Jersey Mental Lands.
Speaker 1: UM the play and you heard it and everybody was twitter.
Speaker 1: Middle school was going crazy about the Jets tanking. The
Speaker 1: Jets are not tanking. Jets play really hard UH in
Speaker 1: this game, and they essentially, after scoring uh ten unanswered
Speaker 1: points in UH the fourth quarter, were poised for a win. UH.
Speaker 1: They got a fourth down stop late in the fourth quarter. UH,
Speaker 1: Oakland had to get a three and out stop from
Speaker 1: the Jets, which they got. Jets punted away and essentially
Speaker 1: all the Jets need to do is keep UH did
Speaker 1: I say Oakland a bunch of times in Vegas uh
Speaker 1: from beating him with a deep ball. And for whatever reasons,
Speaker 1: Greg Williams chose this moment with the Raiders at midfield
Speaker 1: with no time outs down four UH to bring the
Speaker 1: house on a blitz. And it's notable. Everyone knows what
Speaker 1: happens and you just heard it. UH. When you bring
Speaker 1: the house on a blitz, you leave three defensive backs
Speaker 1: to cover three players streaking down the field, and then
Speaker 1: you have to remember who the personnel is. And I
Speaker 1: think this is what the defensive cordiner he missed as well.
Speaker 1: Greg Williams. You had Henry Ruggs, a gifted prospect, uh
Speaker 1: with four two speed first round pick against Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: Not that Lamar Jackson, the undrafted free agent Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: who was cutting camp and brought back when the Jets
Speaker 1: had injury issues. You leave him on an island and
Speaker 1: Jackson bites on the double move and it's a gimme
Speaker 1: touchdown and no help overtop from a safety because the
Speaker 1: safety is in one on one coverage with the guy
Speaker 1: in the slot. It was. It was. It was amateur
Speaker 1: hour by Greg Williams in a terrible call. And after
Speaker 1: the game, Marcus May who was on the field and
Speaker 1: you know he's a good player, and uh he he
Speaker 1: couldn't help but take a shot at Greg Williams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just thought we could have been a better call.
Speaker 1: Uh at that time in that point of the game.
Speaker 1: Got execute. But you gotta help us all at the
Speaker 1: same time to be no better. So you can you
Speaker 1: can tell me Greg that this is a good thing
Speaker 1: for the Jets ultimately, and maybe it was. But if
Speaker 1: you are following this team, and if you followed any
Speaker 1: team that's been through a season like this, you understand
Speaker 1: that this is weighing on them. It it kind of
Speaker 1: becomes part of their identity. Uh. And to play this
Speaker 1: hard and to lose again and now be staring at
Speaker 1: oh and twelve with four games to infamy. I just
Speaker 1: felt so bad for those guys and just angry with
Speaker 1: the coaching. I mean, he's Greg Williams, Gonda, Greg Williams.
Speaker 1: There there's a pretty you know, logical belief that in
Speaker 1: a hail mary situation, which this one wasn't quite, that
Speaker 1: you send pressure. And in fact, whenever coaches don't send
Speaker 1: pressure in hail Mary's, everyone always yells why didn't they
Speaker 1: send pressure? You also have a guy out there, you know,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson covering rugs who bites on on a double
Speaker 1: move where when he can absolutely not, that's the last
Speaker 1: thing that he can do. There's different ways to send pressure.
Speaker 1: That's crazy to say that you gotta have a zero
Speaker 1: blitz though right I'm not saying you gotta have in
Speaker 1: that situation. It's he's gonna Greg Williams. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like him and Gaze. I was thinking at the end
Speaker 1: of this game, are such poor matches because Gaze is
Speaker 1: afraid of his own shadow coaches that way, even when
Speaker 1: his team is good, even when the Dolphins made the playoffs,
Speaker 1: he was afraid of his own shadow. There was no
Speaker 1: way he was gonna let Sam Donald throw the ball
Speaker 1: on third and six to go win a ballgame. Like
Speaker 1: he just wasn't gonna do it. That's fine, and you
Speaker 1: could you can say that's that's the percentage play, that's
Speaker 1: the way to do. There's no way he's gonna do
Speaker 1: because he's he's just afraid, whereas Greg Williams is like
Speaker 1: the total opposite, and it is just like balls to
Speaker 1: the wall. No matter what I saw Donald go aheads,
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, so, Dan, does the tank
Speaker 1: talk incorporate this decision to blitz with the game online? Well,
Speaker 1: that's what the you know, the jokes are is on Twitter,
Speaker 1: we're saying. But obviously this is where that logic falls apart,
Speaker 1: is that Greg Williams and Adam Gates for that matter,
Speaker 1: aren't gonna be within a hundred miles of Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: if he's in the Jets huddle come September. So they
Speaker 1: stand nothing to gain unless they have some type of
Speaker 1: loyalty the team to the team that's signing their paychecks.
Speaker 1: For the next month, which obviously is not the case.
Speaker 1: It was just a terrible call by a coach who
Speaker 1: should have known better with his level of experience, that
Speaker 1: you have to coach to your personnel and he didn't there.
Speaker 1: And that's why I felt bad for Lamar Jackson. That
Speaker 1: guy's you know, a borderline uh NFL player, and you're
Speaker 1: putting him in that position to get beat and have
Speaker 1: the goat horns, and really, where where they should be,
Speaker 1: where they deserve to be, is on the coach. And
Speaker 1: I think when you look at the rest of the game,
Speaker 1: you had Sam Donald contributing three touchdowns, kind of breaking
Speaker 1: out of his funk, uh and the Jets running for
Speaker 1: over two hundred yards. And speaking of Adam Gates being
Speaker 1: you know, having issues with just all sorts of things
Speaker 1: in his role, it took Frank Gore suffering a brain
Speaker 1: injury to get him out of the game plan. And
Speaker 1: as soon as he was and they gave some young
Speaker 1: guys the chance during the football uh Ty Johnson and
Speaker 1: Josh Adams made play. So it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like everything everything about this Jets team is broken, But
Speaker 1: the coaching again stepped to the forefront in this game
Speaker 1: and on the radar side of things, Uh, good job
Speaker 1: you've got you got the win. Uh that was that
Speaker 1: was you know, gutsy being able to come back there.
Speaker 1: But at the same time it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you barely beat the Jets after getting to royed by
Speaker 1: the Falcons. So it's not inspiring a ton of confidence
Speaker 1: going forward. Someone like when it comes to this tank
Speaker 1: business like unless great, unless they've found um like a
Speaker 1: model of Greg Williams, and he's just he's not a
Speaker 1: real person that they have. Like just playing Greg Williams,
Speaker 1: you think he wants to owen sixteen seasons on his
Speaker 1: resume over the course of just a couple of years.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's never got a call. Plays again, these
Speaker 1: are the last games, and he's gonna go out saying
Speaker 1: remember me, I'm Greg Williams. That's to me, that's the
Speaker 1: through line of all Greg Williams calls is he wants
Speaker 1: you to know he's there, and so he did in
Speaker 1: this game and he wanted to end it with a
Speaker 1: flourish and end and everyone knows he was there. It's
Speaker 1: about Greg Williams, right, It's about Greg. One little um
Speaker 1: Brent must bigger note and I'm sure everyone here knows this,
Speaker 1: but if listeners do not. When he used to host
Speaker 1: NFL Today on CBS, and he would open the show
Speaker 1: by saying, you are looking live at Chicago's Soldier Field.
Speaker 1: It isn't for us who were young at that point
Speaker 1: liking football. It was to show last minute gamblers back
Speaker 1: in the day when you had no access, what the
Speaker 1: field conditions looked like, what the wind looked like, so
Speaker 1: that those last minute gamblers had as much information as
Speaker 1: they possibly could. This guy is way into uh the
Speaker 1: desert happenings. I'll tell you that company right in his
Speaker 1: final years. Uh, he's in his eighties now he has
Speaker 1: found his perfect spot. I want a little shout out also,
Speaker 1: by the way, to Darren Waller, who's had I would
Speaker 1: say a disappointing season on balance, but he was uncoverable
Speaker 1: in this game, thirteen for two hundred and two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: So Darren Waller. Huge for the Raiders who have a
Speaker 1: speaking of huge, huge matchup against the Colts next week.
Speaker 1: Two teams vying for UH playoff spots. And you know what,
Speaker 1: this just shows the old zuser magnanimous as always. If
Speaker 1: this happened to another team, I'd like to hear the
Speaker 1: other teams the losing team's radio call. I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear the Jets announcer for the first time getting
Speaker 1: his heartbroken, but I think the audience might. Let's listen
Speaker 1: to Bob with Susan. Here comes it all out, blitz
Speaker 1: step some of the pocket unloads one down the left
Speaker 1: sideline looking for Rots, drops it in touchdown? Are you
Speaker 1: kidding me? Henry rocks down the sideline and car finds
Speaker 1: him for a go ahead touchdown with five seconds to go. Now,
Speaker 1: that's unbelievable, Bob, unbelievable. How you can allow a receiver
Speaker 1: to get behind you unbelievable, unbelievable. Indeed, let's move on.
Speaker 1: Really torn about this, It was not even upset. It
Speaker 1: is picked up by the Colty walker and the Colts
Speaker 1: have a takeaway. Been a bubble recovery. He was a
Speaker 1: fat stead back to Watson and then Rick a shade
Speaker 1: off of his hip, and then it was a mad
Speaker 1: dash to get the football around the ten yard line
Speaker 1: and the Colts get an absolute gift, an absolute gift.
Speaker 1: It was Matt Taylor w f N I with the call.
Speaker 1: The snap was low Deshaun Watson couldn't handle it, and
Speaker 1: the Colts pounced on the ball. The goal line turnover
Speaker 1: served as the defining play and in the win over
Speaker 1: the Texans, greg the Colts got two early Philip Rivers
Speaker 1: touchdowns on that bad foot and then the huge takeaway
Speaker 1: when they needed it most. It was a fitting way
Speaker 1: for this Texans um season in terms of any hopes
Speaker 1: at all, you know to end, which is that Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson plays a great game overall, puts them on the
Speaker 1: doorstep of a stunning win just a couple of yards away,
Speaker 1: and one of his teammates lets him down because his
Speaker 1: teammates have been letting him down all year. Will Fuller
Speaker 1: let him down for getting suspended. The offensive line was
Speaker 1: terrible today and he had had as good a half
Speaker 1: as he's had all year, which is saying, you know,
Speaker 1: he's had so many of those. I feel like where
Speaker 1: he just is on fire for half in the first
Speaker 1: half of this game because his offensive line was terrible. Um,
Speaker 1: but they go into halftime and it's twenty four to twenty,
Speaker 1: they're barely behind, and then you have the snap at
Speaker 1: the end of the game where they blow it. It
Speaker 1: was a strange game. More than five yards of offense
Speaker 1: to twenty in the first half combined. Neither offense scored
Speaker 1: in the second half. The only score was a safety
Speaker 1: by the Colts. It was really hard to see come
Speaker 1: in the point because Watson has been playing out of
Speaker 1: his mind. It's in Andre Dawson seven year with the
Speaker 1: Cubs West to use a baseball reference there, but have
Speaker 1: we reached the point where there are too many weapons
Speaker 1: stripped away and and Watson is going to struggle to
Speaker 1: put up points for the rest of the year. It
Speaker 1: reminds me of the sort of the inverse of those
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald teams when they were dragging guys off the
Speaker 1: couch to play quarterback, and Fitzgerald he could tell this
Speaker 1: is a guy at the top of his profession. Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson has reached that level too. I mean, he's the
Speaker 1: top tier quarterback now and he's just not getting the
Speaker 1: help from his teammates. To be fair, you know, to
Speaker 1: the Colts defense, DeForrest Buckner gets a couple of sacks,
Speaker 1: they get a safety on Watson where they kind of
Speaker 1: surprised them with the stunt. Uh. They forced a fumble
Speaker 1: on Watson in the second halpsod. It wasn't wasn't perfect
Speaker 1: from him, but I would say, no, he's still dangerous Dan,
Speaker 1: because Kiki Qt had a hundred and forty one yards
Speaker 1: and someone named Chad Hanson had one hundred and one yards.
Speaker 1: So I hope you played the Hanson I think I
Speaker 1: hope you played him in your DFS league because he
Speaker 1: can turn anyone I guess into a hundred yard receiver.
Speaker 1: Justin Houston had three sacks I saw, So I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess the You know, you can't look at the
Speaker 1: Titans game last week for the cults and say it's
Speaker 1: all because of DeForrest Buckner and Denico Autry, But DeForest
Speaker 1: Buckner has got to be as valuable, top five valuable
Speaker 1: defensive player right now. Cann't you picture remember Elliott Gould's
Speaker 1: glasses in Ocean's eleven with a thick frames and wear
Speaker 1: silk robe. Can't you see Greg in Vegas in his
Speaker 1: golden years, essentially just running some type of book. Uh,
Speaker 1: and he dresses like that every day with those glasses. Greg,
Speaker 1: you could see that as maybe one outcome. I like
Speaker 1: the outfits. I don't want to be living in Vegas,
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm totally into the robes and all of that.
Speaker 1: That put a smile on Greg's face. There may be
Speaker 1: no Los Angeles by the time you're retired. Vegas maybe
Speaker 1: all that's left. So don't you know, Vegas could be
Speaker 1: the coast. You never know. I'm lucky to get out
Speaker 1: of this one with the wind. And they're they're they're
Speaker 1: they're on their third left tackle. They lost their backup
Speaker 1: left tackle right at the beginning of this game. J J.
Speaker 1: Watt had a monster game. They need to run, I
Speaker 1: think to be effective, and Jonathan Taylor is running better,
Speaker 1: but they still couldn't even run when it mattered, even
Speaker 1: against the Texans, and so that that worries me about
Speaker 1: the Colts. Ever d yards per carry and they couldn't matter.
Speaker 1: They couldn't run when it matter in this game. They
Speaker 1: first of all, they were so run heavy, I mean
Speaker 1: so past heavy for most of it. And yeah, they
Speaker 1: couldn't you know, in the in the second half of
Speaker 1: this game, they had a million chances, kind of like
Speaker 1: the Vikings to put it away in the offense literally
Speaker 1: couldn't couldn't score a point in the second half. I
Speaker 1: feel like I have less of a handle on who's
Speaker 1: gonna win the an f C South than who's gonna
Speaker 1: win the NFC East because the Titans, they just they
Speaker 1: continue to play tricks with my mind. My mind and
Speaker 1: the cults are similar where I I struggled to buy
Speaker 1: in on the Colts and we talked a little bit.
Speaker 1: We have more information than we had on Thursday. There
Speaker 1: was a report that the nature of this Philip Rivers injury,
Speaker 1: he's gonna need surgery after the year, that it's something
Speaker 1: it's like basically the equivalent of super turf toe, only
Speaker 1: it's on a nearly forty year old quarterback who already
Speaker 1: can't move and doesn't have the strongest arm. So it
Speaker 1: seems like something that could be a massive hindrance going
Speaker 1: down the stretch. The schedules are pretty close. I think
Speaker 1: the Titans are a little easier. I think the cult.
Speaker 1: I think they're both going to get in. Cults play
Speaker 1: the Raiders next week, which is a big one. All right,
Speaker 1: let us move on holds the back row and so
Speaker 1: get Sicky touchdown? What did doubt? Mike Na sick tone
Speaker 1: Jimmy Cefalo w q A M with the call welcome
Speaker 1: back to uh to Go Viola by Loa connected with
Speaker 1: Mike and a pretty five yeard touchdown. The Dolphins did
Speaker 1: what they needed to do and sloppy you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of bad blood, a lot of you know, people
Speaker 1: getting objected, but at the end of the day, it
Speaker 1: was a nineteen to seven win over the Bangals. Mr Sessler,
Speaker 1: how did to a look in his return from that
Speaker 1: thumb injury. I'll say, first of all, this song fits
Speaker 1: the tone of this game. This felt like sort of
Speaker 1: a old street fight rolling Ricky. Yeah, it deserves to
Speaker 1: keep rolling. How did you look first half? Um, Dolphin's
Speaker 1: offense very stagnant? To Uh, I thought inaccurate, Um, I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, second half At halftime, it was fair to
Speaker 1: ask this team is in a playoff, Chase, do you
Speaker 1: bench too and bring in Fitzpatrick who the offense frankly
Speaker 1: has just looked better with more in flow. Um, to
Speaker 1: it came back and played a better second half. I
Speaker 1: think Mike Asecki is like the center of their passing
Speaker 1: game half the time. UM, and I like him, but
Speaker 1: to it to me, just it's not you're not getting
Speaker 1: full games from him. Um. He also had his hand
Speaker 1: and wrist wrapped, and I know that the broadcaster said
Speaker 1: that they that he said to them that he hoped
Speaker 1: during the week not to have it wrapped because it
Speaker 1: was uncomfortable basically to play with, which makes tons of sense,
Speaker 1: So that could have been a factor. Um, but he
Speaker 1: he had a better second half this game though. Um.
Speaker 1: Their defense it was very Dolphins as the defense took
Speaker 1: over and the Brandon Allen who played an all right
Speaker 1: first half for Brandon Allen and what you're asking him
Speaker 1: to do in a lost situation, They had like negative
Speaker 1: two yards in the second half with like minutes to
Speaker 1: go in the game, well right, they they were that
Speaker 1: was the thing. Their offense just literally is a complete
Speaker 1: lost operation at this point. So the Dolphins, um, their
Speaker 1: defense picked up and to and to your point on
Speaker 1: this bad Blood, I mean to sum it up quickly
Speaker 1: because a lot of stuff happened early in the game.
Speaker 1: Xavien Howard and Tyler board Boyd got into it with
Speaker 1: some fisticuffs. They were they were knocked out of there, ejected.
Speaker 1: Then in the second half to punt returns in a row,
Speaker 1: Jachem Grant was whacked by Bengals safety Mike Thomas. I mean,
Speaker 1: really rough, ridiculous hits and this is something that showed
Speaker 1: me something about the Dolphins that I really like. Um.
Speaker 1: Shawn Williams of the Bengals was ejected DeVante Parker mac
Speaker 1: hollins after the Basically the Dolphins team left their bench
Speaker 1: and went and confronted the Bengals. And it wasn't just then.
Speaker 1: It was Brian Flores right in the center of it,
Speaker 1: marching out into the field. And I think there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of coaches. Um, I don't know if you're getting
Speaker 1: Vic Fongio to run out into him the middle of
Speaker 1: a melee, maybe you are. He's a little bit cantankerous,
Speaker 1: tough dude. He he might be the guy. But Flora's
Speaker 1: to me, Um, And afterwards he said, look, I shouldn't
Speaker 1: have done that. I should have kept my head about me.
Speaker 1: But I believe in my players. And it's another week
Speaker 1: where all the players are saying, like Flores is that dude.
Speaker 1: So it was messy, but it kind of showed me
Speaker 1: something about how tight this team is, um, and they're
Speaker 1: eating for They're very imperfect. I'm not sure who their
Speaker 1: better quarterback is right now. UM. Future wise, that's a
Speaker 1: different story. But their schedule going from here is an
Speaker 1: absolute mess. It's the Chiefs, the Raiders, the Patriots, and
Speaker 1: the Bills. So we'll see what happens. But it is
Speaker 1: a step forward from last year. I think everyone asked
Speaker 1: would they make a step forward? It was last year's
Speaker 1: ending a mirage. It's not a mirage. They're they're a
Speaker 1: really well coached team. They just don't have all the parts. Well,
Speaker 1: remember Mark, you have them going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: So you need more than just a year over year improvement.
Speaker 1: You need something very special here. Nobody will remember that
Speaker 1: prediction Dolphins Dolphin's Cardinals at mid season. It's that felt
Speaker 1: like the way you said that felt like it was
Speaker 1: one ft off the Dolphins, who have only lost one
Speaker 1: game since you made that prediction. To be fair, it
Speaker 1: was previously the Cowboys from the NFC, So you know
Speaker 1: I did improve my standing some degree. Predictions have you made?
Speaker 1: What you do West is you make eighty or ninety
Speaker 1: and they wanted and you trump at the one and
Speaker 1: they're like that guy keeps nailing these prognostications overpowers. They
Speaker 1: asked us they did on the dot com for the
Speaker 1: mid season prediction. I don't think you should have. I
Speaker 1: don't think that makes sense. You should just keep your
Speaker 1: priest right. We should I stuck with Cowboys though, and
Speaker 1: then I got your fault just putting this one on
Speaker 1: the editors. I'm putting it on bad coaching. And I'm
Speaker 1: not surprised these two teams fought. When the Bengals and
Speaker 1: the Dolphins get together, the rivalry is fierce. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of feelings the window. You had the Cam wake
Speaker 1: safety walk off touchdown on Thursday Night Football. You've had
Speaker 1: a couple of other crazy Dolphins Bengals games. It always
Speaker 1: just gets why Thomas are attached to the Bengals. I'm not,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I've not seen not the positive record books.
Speaker 1: By the way, how does Mike Thomas not get ejected
Speaker 1: from that game? Was it was that in honor of
Speaker 1: you know, former infamous Bengals not get ejected Mike Thomas.
Speaker 1: He didn't a guy that that leveled on special teams
Speaker 1: twice Dolphins player on on the weekend that former Bengals
Speaker 1: goon Vante's berthe got arrested. Uh, he should have been
Speaker 1: shown the showing the gate, but he was labled to
Speaker 1: stay in that game while everyone battled around him throughout
Speaker 1: the game. The one thing I would say is like,
Speaker 1: I don't know about you. I would the last job
Speaker 1: i'd ever, one of the last jobs that I want
Speaker 1: is to be a ref. I think it sounds like
Speaker 1: an absolute nightmare. And there were suddenly like seventy people
Speaker 1: fighting with each other, and there's like four refs with
Speaker 1: like little notebooks flipping their little notebooks trying to figure
Speaker 1: out who to toss. It was like chaos. Respect my authority.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. Ryan takes the snap, drops back,
Speaker 1: He's gonna throw on down the center of the offends
Speaker 1: don't complete in the Saints defense holds on fourth down.
Speaker 1: Employ What a big, big mistake by Todd Gurley to
Speaker 1: put them in that situation. Oh that's that never happens.
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley doing something stupid. Zack Streep with the call
Speaker 1: w w L Yes tay some Hill through through Yes,
Speaker 1: I said it. Two touchdown passes in the Saints defense
Speaker 1: stood strong once again when necessary. Uh in win over
Speaker 1: the Falcons. That is nine consecutive wins for the Saints
Speaker 1: and UH for me, the big takeaway was Hill This
Speaker 1: was progress game one. Start one man for me, start
Speaker 1: to scary start three. He actually looks like a quarterback
Speaker 1: he drops back, he looks, he looks confident, he steps
Speaker 1: up in the pocket, he drives throws down field, UH,
Speaker 1: and completes passes and he's moving the chains on third
Speaker 1: down and when he gets in trouble and no one's open,
Speaker 1: then he's taking off for a run. This looked like
Speaker 1: a functional quarterback and uh. Other than one bad turnover
Speaker 1: in the red zone on a fumble, I thought he
Speaker 1: played excellent in this game. So big time progress if
Speaker 1: you're living on Taysom Hill. Uh for the quarterback. And
Speaker 1: to the point Um West that we talked about on
Speaker 1: the Thursday preview show, I wondered slash lamented when Alvin
Speaker 1: Kamara would rejoin this offense in some capacity and he
Speaker 1: was back, he had close to a hundred total yards
Speaker 1: uh and a touchdown. Michael Thomas was over a hundred yards.
Speaker 1: The offense looked like a functioning offense. On the same
Speaker 1: weekend that there's a report that Drew Brees will be
Speaker 1: ready in a week or so. So that's interesting now
Speaker 1: because the Saints obviously nine straight wins three row with
Speaker 1: Hill West. I don't I know you're are I in
Speaker 1: the sky on Sundays? How much did you see of
Speaker 1: this game, and if you did, what did you think
Speaker 1: of Taysom? Well, first of all, you're a man who
Speaker 1: backs his commitments. You're gonna take a stand on Taysom Hill,
Speaker 1: and you you're choosing these games every Sunday to report
Speaker 1: back to his boots on the ground. I admire that
Speaker 1: you're giving us a report every week. You're invested. I am.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that Greg let it drop to me at
Speaker 1: three overall, but you know I took the opportunity and
Speaker 1: ran with it. I have been in Taysom's corner for
Speaker 1: years now because of the way people have reacted to him.
Speaker 1: But I have confessed to doubts about his ability to
Speaker 1: read the field, and I don't think he read the
Speaker 1: field well in either of his first two starts. I
Speaker 1: thought he did much better at that today. Um, like
Speaker 1: you said, drove the ball down the field, had to
Speaker 1: actually go through some of his progressions, and it's something
Speaker 1: we haven't seen him do really well yet. So UM,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I I put this on the
Speaker 1: progress side of the ledger. You add in eighty yards
Speaker 1: rushing talk about it. It was hard to take off
Speaker 1: the field and I know Drew Breeze is gonna get
Speaker 1: his job back, but I imagine that that Taysom Hill
Speaker 1: has earned a bigger slice of the pie going forward. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you wonder if they'll if there's any question about breezes health.
Speaker 1: They're playing the Eagles next week, whether they want to
Speaker 1: give him an extra week off. My guess is if
Speaker 1: he's if he's ready to play, they're gonna play him.
Speaker 1: You got the sense Sean Payton came out here they
Speaker 1: wanted to prove a point with Taysom Hill. The run
Speaker 1: pass uh imbalance was so heavy for the past early
Speaker 1: and they weren't that efficient throwing early, Like he had
Speaker 1: twenty throws for about a hundred ten early, but it
Speaker 1: was almost like Peyton was out there, defenses are gonna
Speaker 1: try to stop them from running. He wanted to show
Speaker 1: Taysom and maybe he wanted to see if Taysom Hill
Speaker 1: can can throw. It sounds like he he passed that test.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't hate that it took him a
Speaker 1: couple of games to warm up on some level with
Speaker 1: some of the elements of this too. Uh, It's it's
Speaker 1: really my thing is like, what do you what would
Speaker 1: he have to show for them to go into season
Speaker 1: saying he will be our starter. I don't think we've
Speaker 1: seen enough of that, and that feels real hazardous. And
Speaker 1: I like, I like the idea of Taysom Hill, but
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a nice this is a nice
Speaker 1: start here, but it feels like, um, the future is
Speaker 1: a tad murky when what would what would the field
Speaker 1: be if if the Falcons, you know, they're in the
Speaker 1: red zone second and two at the thirteen yard line,
Speaker 1: under two minutes to go, And to me, that's like
Speaker 1: the Falcons nutshell of their season, girly for nothing, girly
Speaker 1: negative seven. They just they're so bad finding the ball, uh,
Speaker 1: and they end up blowing that chance, and they're bad
Speaker 1: in the red zone. That's been that's been the case
Speaker 1: for most of the last couple of years. They're so
Speaker 1: frustrating to watch the Falcons on offense. You would think,
Speaker 1: and you know, we talked about on Thursday then and
Speaker 1: the numbers backing up that this is a totally different
Speaker 1: offense with Julio Jones on the field, But then a
Speaker 1: game like this happens and it's just it just feels
Speaker 1: like they should be so much more productive, um than
Speaker 1: they are. Uh, and that is something they have to
Speaker 1: figure out going forward, whether they truly want to blow
Speaker 1: this thing up or if they want to try to
Speaker 1: rebuild around Matt Ryan one more time. Yes, ESPN is
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter reported that Drew Brees could return in Week fourteen,
Speaker 1: So that's gonna play into this as well, obviously, Mark
Speaker 1: because if if, if we've already seen the last start
Speaker 1: for Taysom Hill this season, he didn't show you enough
Speaker 1: one way or the other to say that he is.
Speaker 1: He should be absolutely their Week one starter next year.
Speaker 1: It's gonna I think there's going to be a murkiness
Speaker 1: around the quarterback position in New Orleans, barring them making
Speaker 1: some huge move to bring in a veteran, which I
Speaker 1: don't think they could do because I think there are
Speaker 1: roughly seven billion dollars over the salegy Well right, which
Speaker 1: which emphasizes the fact that this is a total go
Speaker 1: go for broke operations. So the record is what it is.
Speaker 1: If they can get to buy um. This team is
Speaker 1: as well coached as any and they're winning games with
Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks. That's tough to do in the NFL. I mean,
Speaker 1: I give Sean Payton a ton of credit. Was that
Speaker 1: the yummy yummy put this game in my tongue. Game.
Speaker 1: I can't remember which one you have that was bills
Speaker 1: in my tummy You're gonna be when you so are
Speaker 1: you going to fast in the morning for that game,
Speaker 1: so that when you do put the game in your
Speaker 1: tummy it's almost more satisfied. Take us through the scenario.
Speaker 1: You got to build up a big appetite, because not
Speaker 1: you don't. Now, you don't want to fast too long
Speaker 1: where the stomach starts to shrink. You want to snack
Speaker 1: a little bit during the day so that when I
Speaker 1: have to swallow an entire stadium based in Arizona, along
Speaker 1: with like you know, seventy eight hundred people or whoever
Speaker 1: is involved with this operation, that's a lot to eat.
Speaker 1: But I'm ready to eat too. Yes, if any one
Speaker 1: of them have COVID, it will be right, and it
Speaker 1: will be literally injected into my body. There's a part
Speaker 1: of me that turned fifteen and then stayed in that
Speaker 1: year forever, and everything you just said was hilarious to me.
Speaker 1: Um all right, now to Greg Rosenthal's fever dream. The
Speaker 1: staff back scowk but don't pick up by the Patriots
Speaker 1: and running Gama sideline, Steven McCarty dive to the end zone,
Speaker 1: Dvin McCarty off the pluck vehicle attempt, picking it up
Speaker 1: and running it in for a touchdown. Patriots Special teams
Speaker 1: touchdown and there's a party in the out zone. What
Speaker 1: a block? What a job on a chopper for the
Speaker 1: back bluff Sidebotene Mary is good zolac w b z
Speaker 1: wess remembering Hard to Kill Sweeten Segal where uh Segal
Speaker 1: gets shot eight times by an intruder and he goes
Speaker 1: into a coma for close to a decade and he
Speaker 1: survives it, comes out of it, and then he has
Speaker 1: to go into hiding with Kelly LeBrock to build back
Speaker 1: and become the man he was so he can get
Speaker 1: revenge and he can take Senator Trent to the bank,
Speaker 1: the blood bank. Do you remember any of that was?
Speaker 1: I'm confess I've never seen a Steven seagalman. That's not important.
Speaker 1: All you need to know is that that's what I
Speaker 1: feel about Scott Siloak right now, that for the past
Speaker 1: like twelve weeks he's been in hiding trying to recover
Speaker 1: and licking his wounds after Tommy Boy left him. And
Speaker 1: now you feel he's coming back and it's got juice back,
Speaker 1: just like Mason Storm did and hard to kill. Devin
Speaker 1: mccordy scooped up the blockfield goal and took it to
Speaker 1: the house. Just one in dignity and a game full
Speaker 1: of them for the Chargers, who were demolished by the
Speaker 1: Pats forty five Neil at Hollywood Park. New England has
Speaker 1: won four or five and they are in the race
Speaker 1: for a playoff spot with four games to play. Greg,
Speaker 1: we knew there was a coaching mismatch entering this one.
Speaker 1: How much did that play into the absurd nature of
Speaker 1: this blowing? I mean, it's everything. The Patriots had their
Speaker 1: quarterback at sixty nine yards passing and they won the
Speaker 1: game forty five to nothing. I mean, it's outrageous. That's
Speaker 1: not right, That is not right. What you just said,
Speaker 1: that's passing yards. That is a fact. Well that was
Speaker 1: Cam's passing yards. You know, Stidham came in for Garlett,
Speaker 1: Simon got some more. But it's special teams. You know.
Speaker 1: First of all, the Patriots offense outscored their defense, you know, plenty,
Speaker 1: and they the defense didn't give up any points even
Speaker 1: without all this special team stuff. But yeah, the Charge
Speaker 1: has been coaching on this the special teams with Lynn
Speaker 1: at this level for for three years and they've had
Speaker 1: the same coach who they reassigned to it like a
Speaker 1: different part of the building, and his assistant took over,
Speaker 1: and it's not any better. And they found him right
Speaker 1: in the in the same game that the Patriots had
Speaker 1: a seventy yard punt return a blocked field goal touchdown
Speaker 1: on the last play of the half, and it was
Speaker 1: like one of those where if you got tackled, you
Speaker 1: don't get anything from it. So you got you have
Speaker 1: to score the seven yard touchdown, and they got that,
Speaker 1: they got a they got sixty one yard punt return.
Speaker 1: They m the Chargers also had a four punt or
Speaker 1: a three punt streak. But Anthony, keep it down. Greg's
Speaker 1: trying to provide analysis of the game that night. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think, yeah, I think this is the game.
Speaker 1: If if there's any game that he can't survive, this
Speaker 1: is it. Because the defense cooked up Herbert too. And
Speaker 1: you know they had a three place stretch, a three
Speaker 1: punt stretch rather where they had ten men on the
Speaker 1: field give up a big return. Twelve men on the
Speaker 1: field on fourth and five, so the Patriots get to
Speaker 1: keep the ball, and then the next punt they had
Speaker 1: ten men on the field again and they gave up
Speaker 1: a big return. I mean, that's it's just too much. Greg,
Speaker 1: having left seven days in general, between the shenanigans of
Speaker 1: Lynn the week before, and on top of this, I
Speaker 1: feel like you might have sealed his fate here reported
Speaker 1: this morning that he's on the hot seat. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: we just heard it. Well, I was gonna say, Greg,
Speaker 1: is it possible that this is simply guttural Schefski who
Speaker 1: had a touchdown last week of return last week you
Speaker 1: one against the Cardinals called back. I mean, maybe he's
Speaker 1: just simply too powerful. But I mean, how do you
Speaker 1: know there was a laundry list of blown scenarios by
Speaker 1: Anthony len a week ago. To come in and outdo
Speaker 1: yourself in this fashion. Um, that's hard to do, and
Speaker 1: it is tough because we all like the persona we
Speaker 1: like the person and uh, it might be bye bye time.
Speaker 1: I don't like saying that, but I mean to try
Speaker 1: to hear it that. I think that would be the
Speaker 1: worst way to possibly get fired, would be just to
Speaker 1: hear someone say it's bye bye time. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: mean it insensitively, but it's um it we we yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't even need to say more about
Speaker 1: it because I think it's it sort of speaks for itself. Um,
Speaker 1: the way it happened today, Yeah, Gunnar Alstowski give him
Speaker 1: that special Teams Player of the week. He was also
Speaker 1: their leading receiver one catch thirty eight yards. That are
Speaker 1: you ready to apologize Greg to your beloved hero Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick for writing the Patriots off as a completely untalented
Speaker 1: team with a bad defense, uh, and never taking into
Speaker 1: account the idea that they would continue to improve and
Speaker 1: do belichicking and things with or without Tom Brady. The
Speaker 1: Floor's yours d at six and six. I never said
Speaker 1: he was like doing a bad job. I said that
Speaker 1: defense defense for a month because because they were one
Speaker 1: of the worst defenses, if not the worst defense in
Speaker 1: the league. But they have absolutely found themselves in the
Speaker 1: last four or five weeks. Uh. The way they're using
Speaker 1: some of their young players. Stephan Gilmore returning makes a
Speaker 1: huge difference. He is such cornerbacks, wide receivers down kind
Speaker 1: of back in his Defensive Player of the Year form shutdown.
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen today. They have some young players. Josh uch
Speaker 1: A had some great pass rushes today, just have not
Speaker 1: seen them win. Adam Butler was you know, not not
Speaker 1: a guy you would expect to dominate. It's kind of
Speaker 1: dominated the last two weeks. So they had a pass rush.
Speaker 1: Herbert had no chance earlier in this game for all
Speaker 1: the special team stuff. It's like, you know, the Charges
Speaker 1: didn't score any points either, so it's there there. There
Speaker 1: was a million ways they could have lost this game,
Speaker 1: and the pay stots are very much alive, like in
Speaker 1: terms of showing their fans of fun game every week.
Speaker 1: They also play you know, three straight teams um with
Speaker 1: good records in a row, and they're they're much further
Speaker 1: out of the playoffs right now than the Lions are,
Speaker 1: so in terms of making the playoffs, uh, there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of hope. They would have to win out
Speaker 1: and get a lot of help against you know, really
Speaker 1: good teams um, but they're all They're obviously been a
Speaker 1: lot of fun to watch for Patriots fans. Definition of
Speaker 1: fun is a lot different than mine. Patriots fans and
Speaker 1: included me kind of love finding different ways to win games.
Speaker 1: They don't have a passing game Damian Harris, they watch
Speaker 1: I predicted this in March. Greg's gonna be talking about
Speaker 1: this was his favorite Patriots scene because they so much
Speaker 1: of so little, and what a coaching Well, they're not
Speaker 1: they're not talented, they're not talented, but they're finding It
Speaker 1: is fun to see a team try to figure out
Speaker 1: ways to win a game with zero passing game. And
Speaker 1: at this point their passing game is just is Bank
Speaker 1: crept um. But Cam Newton ran the ball, you know,
Speaker 1: he was the key to running the ball in the
Speaker 1: red zone and basically capitalizing on on the chances that
Speaker 1: they had. But they're they're so limited. It is hard
Speaker 1: to win without a passing game that it does limit.
Speaker 1: I mean, sign me up to root for the untalented
Speaker 1: teams that are winning forty five to nothing. I'll I'll
Speaker 1: take that anytime. The Colts currently sit in the seventh
Speaker 1: and final playoff spot in the a f C. As
Speaker 1: of the recording of this podcast, they're eight and six.
Speaker 1: You have the Raiders behind them with seven and five.
Speaker 1: The Raiders, I just say, then the Ravens at six
Speaker 1: and five, and then the the Patriots. As Greg said,
Speaker 1: they're still far back there. They're they're in tenth place
Speaker 1: right now at six and six. They're either gonna have
Speaker 1: to win out or one more loss and then get
Speaker 1: some help. So still, I mean, they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: win out and get help. I mean in the probably
Speaker 1: probably you got the Raiders and Colts playing next week,
Speaker 1: so one of those teams are gonna have another loss.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, they have a lot of work
Speaker 1: to do, but they're gonna be They're going into this
Speaker 1: Thursday night against the Rams. I you, you're making fun
Speaker 1: of me passing on Saints Falcons. I wanted to watch
Speaker 1: this Pagriots game because I was hoping for something like this.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed every minute and they get into this Thursday
Speaker 1: night game against the Rams with some juice. That's all
Speaker 1: I wanted. I would I would love to like when
Speaker 1: you show your fandom, greg So, because sometimes you try
Speaker 1: to suppress it even though we know it's there. But
Speaker 1: right now it's more out there this year, and I
Speaker 1: think it makes sense because you feel more there's a
Speaker 1: little bit more on the line in the season. You're
Speaker 1: not just coasting to another thirteen and three. It must
Speaker 1: be a totally different experience for you both as a
Speaker 1: fan and as an analyst. Um, yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: wouldn't agree with your assessment. I feel like I've been
Speaker 1: kind of tuned out. I've only watched a few of
Speaker 1: their games live. But they are fun. They're fun. It
Speaker 1: is fun to be in the mix with a team
Speaker 1: like this, with some obvious SHORTLI is like secretly on
Speaker 1: the phone with like Andrew Luck who has been working
Speaker 1: out intensely for like the past sixty seventy days. He'll
Speaker 1: come rolling into the line. The cult will just hand
Speaker 1: them over. They own his rights. I'm sure they'll just
Speaker 1: be like, here you go, come torture us. Uh, come
Speaker 1: torture us again for another ten years. And just so
Speaker 1: everyone knows, Hard to Kill ended with Mason Storm knocking
Speaker 1: out the teeth of the antagonist that try to kill
Speaker 1: him with the butt of a shotgun. And then and
Speaker 1: then he made out with Kelly lebron Is the credits rolled?
Speaker 1: So is that is that what Bill Belichick is gonna
Speaker 1: be doing. He's gonna knock out someone's teeth and then
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Linda is on the field with him
Speaker 1: last game of the year. You never know, never know.
Speaker 1: That's why the NFL is a lot of fun. We
Speaker 1: we just watched and we see how the movie ends.
Speaker 1: Let's let's move on, Wes. I I can't recommend that
Speaker 1: film enough Hard to Kill. My dad was a Sigal
Speaker 1: man that that Jane didn't get passed on to me.
Speaker 1: I know, I always bring up Sigal to you because
Speaker 1: I know Cesler and Rosenthal aren't gonna be plugged in.
Speaker 1: And I guess I'm just I'm channeling the spirit of
Speaker 1: your old man. Yeah, yeah, Miagi was a big right. Hey,
Speaker 1: what's up, Nick Shook? Are you a fan? You're a
Speaker 1: little younger, so you might have missed the Seagal window,
Speaker 1: but I'll just check in. Are you familiar with the
Speaker 1: the work and the catalog of Steven Seagal? I have
Speaker 1: not watched a lot of Steven Seagal movies. But bridget
Speaker 1: my girlfriend, who you guys like to mention a lot. Uh,
Speaker 1: she is a fan of a lot of movies of
Speaker 1: the era. She's a big, die hard fan and she
Speaker 1: likes a lot of Cigal movies. Look at that as
Speaker 1: more reason to lock it up. We're talking about locking
Speaker 1: it up on the show. How about you lock something up?
Speaker 1: And that means that girlfriend that moved to the Midwest
Speaker 1: for you. Hey man, you know what I was shopping
Speaker 1: for rings this week, so leave me along. Is that
Speaker 1: if if you, if you do get that rig and
Speaker 1: you know, I think Dan, you know, deserves an assist
Speaker 1: on this. Well, she should know, she should know that
Speaker 1: I've been, you know, turning the screws a little bit. Um. Hey, Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you as always for checking in. You made the
Speaker 1: show better, not just with your knowledge but just who
Speaker 1: you are, buddy. We love you. Certain genes Qua exactly.
Speaker 1: There goes one bald man. Here enters another. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: Matthews got it, turns, gives to Peterson left shot, barreling
Speaker 1: his weight down the one yard line. It in touchdown
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions. He's into the house for the store and
Speaker 1: the Lions are on top. Dan Miller w j R.
Speaker 1: With the call. Adrian Peterson's five yard touchdown run, his
Speaker 1: second score of the game, was the difference for the Lions,
Speaker 1: who wiped out at ten point fourth quarter deficit and
Speaker 1: a thirty thirty win over the three falling Bears. Chookie
Speaker 1: the Bears needed their defense to be great this year
Speaker 1: to overcome their other deficiencies, and it seems like based
Speaker 1: on what we're seeing here in the final score. They
Speaker 1: couldn't even be decent. Decent and it's probably under their season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to talk about the free falling Bears since
Speaker 1: their free falling defense, their offenses in battle year, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, but they're defense has been really bad in
Speaker 1: the last few weeks, and this was probably the worst
Speaker 1: game of the year. I mean, you give up four
Speaker 1: d sixty total yards of offense, you surrender a ten
Speaker 1: point lead, and under I think three minutes in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. I mean, there was a point in this
Speaker 1: game where the Lions would get within maybe ten or
Speaker 1: three points, and then the Bears extend the lead again.
Speaker 1: It actually, the offense wasn't really that much of an
Speaker 1: issue this week, uh, except for Mr Robinski's timely fumble
Speaker 1: that then led to this uh turnaround, this comeback. But
Speaker 1: every time they got with the ten points can really
Speaker 1: get much closer, and then all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: Bears defense wilted in the worst moments in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: There was a twenty five yard touchdown past to Marvin Jones,
Speaker 1: and then there was the five yard Adream Peters and
Speaker 1: touchdown run which came on a short field as a
Speaker 1: result of that fumble, but really just capped Um what
Speaker 1: I think has been a nightmare of six weeks and
Speaker 1: could cost Matt Nage his job. And and at this point,
Speaker 1: nothing is really working all that well, at least consistently
Speaker 1: enough to to have any confidence in the Bears going forward.
Speaker 1: And then if you move beyond that, you've changed your
Speaker 1: quarterback and the defense that you could rely on before that.
Speaker 1: You know you're missing guys like um, you know they
Speaker 1: missed a team Hicks at one point, and um, you
Speaker 1: know if you can't rely on that group either, then um,
Speaker 1: you might be looking at massive changes. I mean this also,
Speaker 1: this Bears defense wasn't getting the takeaways that were the
Speaker 1: signature kind of spicy element to an otherwise great defense
Speaker 1: in years past. And I mean I can only imagine, um,
Speaker 1: what books not that I don't want to read them,
Speaker 1: but what books will be written about the way these
Speaker 1: players feel about what's going on in Chicago this whole year,
Speaker 1: and none are are the amount of books being written
Speaker 1: about the match? Well, I'm just I'm just talking about this.
Speaker 1: The the amount of people that have to be if
Speaker 1: you're a defender on that team, that's how to it's
Speaker 1: and you have to basically be the anchor of a
Speaker 1: Bears team that's going to score about eighteen points a game.
Speaker 1: That how annoyed is that defense by December and at
Speaker 1: some point the floor just falls in, right, But to
Speaker 1: get to give the ball to the Lions with less
Speaker 1: than five minutes to go up ten inside the Lions
Speaker 1: is five yard line and give up but ninety six
Speaker 1: yard touched down and then Mitch nine yard touchdown drive
Speaker 1: and then Mitch fumbles the ball and you give up
Speaker 1: another touch or whatefter that I mean, Mitchell, that's a
Speaker 1: everyone deserves blame. In the fourth quarter, I think they
Speaker 1: went they went like three and out, three and out,
Speaker 1: three and out, fumble and then you know they didn't
Speaker 1: get the touchdown, but they didn't put up thirty points.
Speaker 1: You would think that would be enough to win against
Speaker 1: the zombie forty Niners who didn't have uh Kenny Galady
Speaker 1: or DeAndre Swift. So that's it's just a total collapse
Speaker 1: of everyone. It's ridiculous. Oh my gosh, I can't imagine
Speaker 1: being a barrass fan watching that game. I was just
Speaker 1: sitting back watching and thinking, there's no way they're gonna
Speaker 1: do this rightly uneath the long touchdown passing, Well, they
Speaker 1: might do this, but there's not that much time left.
Speaker 1: This is kind of how the game has been going
Speaker 1: all day. And then the timely Trabisky fumble, and like
Speaker 1: you mentioned, you know those possessions that you know, three
Speaker 1: and out, three and out, all those situations. Statistically for
Speaker 1: the day, Ms Trobisky had a pretty solid day, but
Speaker 1: that fourth quarter, I don't know if I would call
Speaker 1: it so much a meltdown as an implosion within the
Speaker 1: last few minutes, because, um, you know, on the day
Speaker 1: you still thirty four, you broke two in her sixty yards.
Speaker 1: His pass rating was over a hundred eight. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a pretty soliday from it for a team that
Speaker 1: hasn't had any consistency quarterback all a year, and yet
Speaker 1: you find a way to lose in a fashion that
Speaker 1: you haven't lost many of your games except for last weekend,
Speaker 1: yet let the Packers put up forty one on them.
Speaker 1: It just kind of reminded me of what we talked
Speaker 1: about last Sunday night, which was it's a good thing
Speaker 1: this team is no longer in prime time for the
Speaker 1: rest of the year. Thank you, very good. Thank goodness, Ricky,
Speaker 1: jump in here a second. Just want to say, I
Speaker 1: want to give you a little shine here, Eric at
Speaker 1: tam Posey shut the dog up. I mean right on time. Um,
Speaker 1: you have. You've struggled with various predictions this year. There's
Speaker 1: no I'm not calling that out to be cruel, but
Speaker 1: just uh to point out that you deserve credit for
Speaker 1: your sandwich prop checking in by week thirteen, Adrian Peterson
Speaker 1: over five hundred rushing yards. He crossed that barrier today,
Speaker 1: so we or I doffed my cap to you. Uh,
Speaker 1: my fair maiden, thank you so much. Yeah, I uh,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you got a hunch and sometimes they're
Speaker 1: all wrong. But this one, this one seemed to work. Well,
Speaker 1: this is the only this one actually makes you sandwiches.
Speaker 1: So I guess in a way this was the most
Speaker 1: important of all hunches. Uh, congratulations, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: She should share that with Darryl Bevil, who it seems
Speaker 1: obsessed with Adrian Peterson. Let's let's move on. Give this
Speaker 1: Darren Jones up the middle, break smooth thirty, cutting one
Speaker 1: thirty five, he's to the phy side, still on his feet,
Speaker 1: cuts it back twenty. He's got a chance at the
Speaker 1: time of the five down down, Darn Jones seventy seven
Speaker 1: yards to the north end zone, pull the dagger. Great
Speaker 1: call Wayne Larvy, Larry McCarron, w TMJ and a great
Speaker 1: front by Aaron Jones, who showed you all that ability
Speaker 1: that he as on a seventy seven yard game clinching
Speaker 1: touchdown and the Packers thirty to sixteen win over the
Speaker 1: Eagles at Lambeau. Aaron Rodgers threw three more touchdowns and
Speaker 1: another m v P worthy performance and shook Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: finally got his as bitched. Finally the day came. Yeah,
Speaker 1: glory b to the heavens and all the Eagles fans
Speaker 1: who have been calling for Number two uh to take
Speaker 1: the field. Jalen Hurts had a nice little moment or
Speaker 1: two and almost led them. It looked like for a
Speaker 1: second he might lead them to a victory, an unlikely
Speaker 1: victory considering they were down what was it twenty three
Speaker 1: to three I think was the score at the time,
Speaker 1: and the game was pretty much in hand. It was.
Speaker 1: It was one of those things where, yeah, there was
Speaker 1: a ton of time left, but it looked like Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson was just throwing Hurts out there because well, a,
Speaker 1: we can't protect Carson Wentz at all, and our offense
Speaker 1: can't get anything of substance going. Uh so why not
Speaker 1: throw him out there and let him get some reps
Speaker 1: and also a piece that people who are going to
Speaker 1: fire fifty questions at why he hasn't put Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: in consistently yet on Monday. And you know, we'll see
Speaker 1: how Doug reacts to that. Now that Dellen actually produced
Speaker 1: a little bit, but instead it became a one score
Speaker 1: game for a little bit, and then of course the
Speaker 1: Eagle's offense went back to what it was before and
Speaker 1: couldn't actually put the ball, push the ball on the field, punted,
Speaker 1: and then give up the touchdown run to Aaron Jones,
Speaker 1: which pretty much was the caper on the entire thing
Speaker 1: and emphasized what this entire season has been for the Eagles,
Speaker 1: which is, even when you start to get some good
Speaker 1: stuff going, it all falls apart before long and you
Speaker 1: end up with dirt in your face and running back, running,
Speaker 1: you know, down the field the opposite direction for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: I I thought Peterson was telling after the game when
Speaker 1: he when he didn't go back to Wentz, you know,
Speaker 1: for next week. You know, they're playing the Saints next week.
Speaker 1: They said who's going to start and he he left
Speaker 1: it open, and that usually means a change is coming.
Speaker 1: And the way that he put in Hurts, Yes, the
Speaker 1: game was felt over, but it was the middle of
Speaker 1: the third quarter. It was only after one drive after halftime,
Speaker 1: and I thought Hurts had the best two drives that
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't want to get too carried
Speaker 1: away because he was in the game for four drives
Speaker 1: and they scored seven points and he turned it over,
Speaker 1: so it's on the touchdown was on like four and right,
Speaker 1: So it's not like they suddenly looked amazing. But he
Speaker 1: had some rushing first downs. He they had the only
Speaker 1: two really impressive sustained drives that weren't aided by penalties
Speaker 1: like on the first drive. So it's like, why not
Speaker 1: give it a shot. I thought he brought like like
Speaker 1: he brought some energy and some life, and why not
Speaker 1: give Eagles fans a little bit of that? And I mean,
Speaker 1: I just can't figure out how mentally broken Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: is right now. I can't think of anyone that needs
Speaker 1: some time away, uh more than Carson Wentz. I mean,
Speaker 1: outside of maybe some of us at times, but um,
Speaker 1: why not do this roll with hurts, see what happens
Speaker 1: it just like show some flexibility. Like it was just
Speaker 1: a good moment to see that they finally did it.
Speaker 1: I mean it should have done it weeks ago. This
Speaker 1: should have happened a month ago. Here's the thing. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing. Yes, performance based alone, I agree with you, Mark,
Speaker 1: but the idea of benching your franchise player, and that's
Speaker 1: what they thought Carson Wentz was entering this year, and
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe they still think that in the big
Speaker 1: picture he can be that guy. That is a huge
Speaker 1: decision to make. And I think they kept on putting
Speaker 1: it off because it's like, we believe in him, and
Speaker 1: we don't want to pull the plug on him because
Speaker 1: obviously that has far reaching implications on us. And what
Speaker 1: if we pull the plug and and we take away
Speaker 1: the chance that he does find a way to get
Speaker 1: his game back on track. And I think they essentially
Speaker 1: Peterson made the call just before it was way too long.
Speaker 1: I think it was within the acceptable window of rope
Speaker 1: to give Carson Wentz, and I thought where this game
Speaker 1: was at twenty three three, and just the depression that
Speaker 1: had settled over this team that it finally was time.
Speaker 1: So I I think Peterson made the right move, but
Speaker 1: I think it would be the wrong move not to start.
Speaker 1: Give Hurts a shot now, and it's maybe not fair
Speaker 1: to hurt too much because you now you're gonna go
Speaker 1: against the Saints defense that just finished up a street
Speaker 1: where they went four team quarters without giving up a touchdown.
Speaker 1: But if nothing else, give Wentz, sit him down, let
Speaker 1: him clear his head a little bit, and maybe you
Speaker 1: regroup and you have a chance to hang around at
Speaker 1: the end of the season. But it certainly feels like
Speaker 1: at this point, uh, the ship has sailed on. I
Speaker 1: would agree with that I exaggerated by four weeks because
Speaker 1: I would say two weeks. And also, Hurts is not
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew's a six round pick hanging on the bench,
Speaker 1: just a second round pick, like I think they want
Speaker 1: to take a look at him. So I'm just glad
Speaker 1: that it's happening now, I mean, finally at least. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's also kind of waving the white flag on the
Speaker 1: whole situation, which I don't really blame them for doing,
Speaker 1: considering the fact that their offensive line has no stability
Speaker 1: at all. Because of all the injuries that they've dealt
Speaker 1: with up there, and that's the main reason Carson West
Speaker 1: is where he is. I know we can talk about
Speaker 1: his regression and everything, but statistically and everything else, just
Speaker 1: watching him play, it's dan. You remember the old Sam
Speaker 1: Donald Monday Night Football clip that I'm seeing ghosts. That's
Speaker 1: that's basically Carson Wentz right now. I mean he that
Speaker 1: he was hit so many times. Uh, and it has
Speaker 1: been hit so many times over the course of this
Speaker 1: entire season. They're dead lasting Sacs give up. Um. It's
Speaker 1: been an abomination when it comes to trying to protect him.
Speaker 1: The only time they ever got him to do anything
Speaker 1: of significance today was when they rolled him out. And
Speaker 1: you can't do that every play, especially when you don't
Speaker 1: have a legitimate I mean, Miles Standards is a promising
Speaker 1: back when you don't have a legitimate rushing attack with
Speaker 1: that same offensive line, So there's only so much you
Speaker 1: can do. And if you if that's your franchise quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that you're trying to keep healthy, which he's had an
Speaker 1: issue with over the course of his career, uh, then
Speaker 1: maybe you do sideline him with nothing not much more
Speaker 1: to play for even though the division still regarding feel,
Speaker 1: he has no feel. Who is so loath to criticize
Speaker 1: any quarterback pointed out just the multiple times where he
Speaker 1: didn't kind of move to the open spot in the
Speaker 1: pocket to buy himself more time, And then I thought
Speaker 1: it was very telling. The moment he got benched was
Speaker 1: after the first drive of the third quarter when he
Speaker 1: missed two straight throws. Wasn't about the protection. It was
Speaker 1: two open throws and he just missed them. And you
Speaker 1: still have that with him a lot. So how do
Speaker 1: you get that How do you turn that around? I
Speaker 1: think you turn that around in the off season by
Speaker 1: health rabo, then play him the last couple of weeks
Speaker 1: and in fie, I'm with you offseason like it's you're
Speaker 1: not turning it around in the middle of December, especially
Speaker 1: when you can't send him out there confidently thinking that
Speaker 1: he's going to be protected well enough to play there.
Speaker 1: One Saints lost away from being in played out, play
Speaker 1: out the string territory anyway, So you get the feeling
Speaker 1: that it just makes a lot. I wonder if this
Speaker 1: did this make Brian Greasy's head explode. When Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: finally took the field. Good job by the way he
Speaker 1: did from happiness. He's like, oh, all these cronies have
Speaker 1: fired me over in Philadelphia and now they all get
Speaker 1: to suffer. Classic Riddic. That run was one of the
Speaker 1: best plays of the year. I don't need to hear
Speaker 1: anymore about how Rogers. It's a beautiful thing to see
Speaker 1: Rogers with um so much support. But we don't need
Speaker 1: to hear about Rogers not having support with that running back,
Speaker 1: with the best left tackle, one of the best offensive lines,
Speaker 1: with Davante Adams, who is the best short yard and
Speaker 1: receiver I can remember. I mean on fourth and goal
Speaker 1: to just know you can throw it to Adams and
Speaker 1: get the touch down. They had a couple other short
Speaker 1: yardage thing. It's like and the coach, I mean, these
Speaker 1: the guys are open. It's a beautiful thing. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna win this m v P. We even we
Speaker 1: even had our you know, weekly seventy five yard bomb
Speaker 1: dropped by mvs to deflate Rogers's numbers just a little bit.
Speaker 1: Uh Yeah, Rogers has been a joy to watch this year,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna come right down to the wire with Mahomes.
Speaker 1: That will be fun on to Sunday Night, Sunday Night
Speaker 1: over the middle. That will be intercepted and that's gonna
Speaker 1: wrap up. So does it again? There you have at
Speaker 1: Al Michael's with the call friend BC Sunday Night Football,
Speaker 1: the Honey Badger with the second pick of the game
Speaker 1: of Drew Lock. Began the game with the pick, ended
Speaker 1: the game with the pick, and the Chiefs on offense
Speaker 1: do just enough in a two to sixteen win over Denver.
Speaker 1: Chiefs improved to eleven and one and he one game
Speaker 1: behind the Steelers for the top seed in the a
Speaker 1: f C, while the Broncos enter firmly into also ran
Speaker 1: running out the clock Operation Zia in the corn Fields
Speaker 1: territory at four and eight. All right, Mark Seil, your
Speaker 1: thoughts on this game? Well, I always look for a
Speaker 1: moment in Chiefs games where um, it seems to be
Speaker 1: over for the opponent, and I give Denver a lot
Speaker 1: of credit. They there was the the third quarter drive
Speaker 1: where they went eleven plays seventy two yards to make
Speaker 1: it sixteen twelve, um their favor. And at that point, uh,
Speaker 1: they offered no more offense. And uh you look at
Speaker 1: the fact that Kansas City seple some people say they
Speaker 1: didn't play a great game here. It wasn't like their
Speaker 1: full octane operation. Their first five of seven drives they
Speaker 1: scored and one of them, um was the Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: uh turnover catching the end zone that they simply did
Speaker 1: not review and it was a punt. So I thought
Speaker 1: the Chiefs actually played very well here and this is
Speaker 1: just a simpler and it's a divisional game. Uh, they survived,
Speaker 1: and I know they're not blowing teams out of late.
Speaker 1: And there seems to be a lot of cranky Steelers
Speaker 1: fans out there, um that I've noticed that are sort
Speaker 1: of put it, put put his name on it, your
Speaker 1: friends with them coming. Well, no, it's many in Damnishek
Speaker 1: would own part of it. But I just think that
Speaker 1: there's a there's some sort of aspect there where like
Speaker 1: we're we're upset that the Chiefs are being seen as
Speaker 1: the class of the a f C. And my thing
Speaker 1: is this, go punish Patrick Mahomes, go take this team
Speaker 1: out until someone really does. I mean the Raiders did once,
Speaker 1: but until that happens, Um, they are my a f
Speaker 1: C number one seed. They find a way to survive games.
Speaker 1: Tonight it was Tyree meth you making two huge plays,
Speaker 1: the picks, but also the stop on Noah fans. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a team that finds different ways to win.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I'm watching um in the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 1: watching Hulk Hogan eight years in a row, almost lose
Speaker 1: the belt every single Saturday Night's main event, but then
Speaker 1: somehow in the final minutes or even earlier, he finds
Speaker 1: a way to win, and you kind of know the
Speaker 1: whole thing was preconceived. Chole Cogan was a professional wrestler,
Speaker 1: and that I would imagine Shook knows that he could
Speaker 1: probably you could probably beat Hulk Hogan right now. She
Speaker 1: bet your girl was a big fan of him too.
Speaker 1: I mean, she likes Segal, she likes you. You're kind
Speaker 1: of her real life Segal and uh she she's got
Speaker 1: she likes she likes a little Hulk Cogan. I I
Speaker 1: can write with the age joke thing that works out.
Speaker 1: We can do that. It wasn't that wasn't an an
Speaker 1: age thing. Oh Um. I don't know. I'd be a
Speaker 1: little concerned, just that the Chiefs struggle in short yardage
Speaker 1: and that because it's not new like they it sounds
Speaker 1: crazy because I think that some announcers have said this
Speaker 1: to that they leave points on the field, but they
Speaker 1: really do. Like they've been bad in short yardage all year.
Speaker 1: They've they have and scored a touchdown in seventh straight
Speaker 1: UM red zone opportunities. So that's like stuff you need
Speaker 1: to work on when sometimes your coach keeps it a
Speaker 1: little closer because of some befuddling um decisions than you
Speaker 1: would like. The non challenge with seven points, you know,
Speaker 1: kicking a field goal uh in the first half inside
Speaker 1: the five and then punting it away at the end.
Speaker 1: Now it worked out so and you read will say
Speaker 1: that that was the right decision. I want to use
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes as much as I can and get as
Speaker 1: many points as I can if I'm Andy Reid, And
Speaker 1: it's not a major concern um, but it's a trend
Speaker 1: that when they're in short yardage they can't just run
Speaker 1: the ball. They always have to pull out some crazy
Speaker 1: stuff and it hasn't really been working for a while.
Speaker 1: Like at no point this season can they just hand
Speaker 1: the ball off and get a yard or two, which
Speaker 1: is like useful thing in the in the NFL, especially
Speaker 1: when you're playing a good team like the Steelers in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Yeah, it's kind of proven that they're the
Speaker 1: reverse of a bend but don't break defense where they
Speaker 1: can get down the field quickly, but all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: when they're in that short yard situation, they can't score.
Speaker 1: But when you play them, you're in one of two
Speaker 1: situations that we've seen demonstrated with their division rival opponents
Speaker 1: this year, which either you try to keep up with
Speaker 1: them in a relative shootout like the Raiders did uh
Speaker 1: in the first time they met and wanted when they
Speaker 1: did recently and lost, or you do what Denver did tonight,
Speaker 1: which was you try to basically you know Ben, but
Speaker 1: don't break defensively and avoid turnovers. Now they couldn't do that.
Speaker 1: That hurt them and obviously it ultimately cost them a
Speaker 1: chance to potentially go down and take the lead in
Speaker 1: the final minute of the game. But this is essentially
Speaker 1: how you have to do. You have to hope that
Speaker 1: you get enough from your offense, and Denver just didn't tonight. Um,
Speaker 1: But you do have to give, you know, tip the
Speaker 1: cap to them for for doing enough to keep them
Speaker 1: in the game defensively. But you're right, I think it
Speaker 1: also a lot of it has to do with when
Speaker 1: Andy Reid's done. Thanks very entertaining this, but you lost.
Speaker 1: How about going a game luck? Your defense plays its
Speaker 1: balls off in this game, and it's it's just, you know,
Speaker 1: there's no sense piling on here. I just said it's
Speaker 1: time for the Broncos to go to the corn fields
Speaker 1: until two twenty one. But Jul you know, for all
Speaker 1: his moxie and swagger and all that, can't play. You
Speaker 1: guys can't play. I know he made some throws, but
Speaker 1: if you're gonna tell me this guy is a solution
Speaker 1: after this year, um, you're probably John Elway lying to yourself.
Speaker 1: So I've seen enough of Drew Lock. This game was
Speaker 1: there for the taking. This could have been a major
Speaker 1: win for the Broncos, even in a season where they
Speaker 1: won't be playing in the playoffs. But they couldn't find
Speaker 1: a way, uh to make use of all these weapons,
Speaker 1: including again Jerry Judy one catch for five yards in
Speaker 1: the last drive. Tim Patrick. I mean they've got a
Speaker 1: good their offensive line played well, and you've got Tim
Speaker 1: Patrick's their leading receiver and most people would probably think
Speaker 1: he's their fourth most talented receiver. I mean they've got
Speaker 1: four or five weapons You're right, they've they've underachieved I
Speaker 1: and I does. It does feel almost like WWF match
Speaker 1: from the eighties with the Hulkster, where it's preordained and
Speaker 1: the Chiefs sometimes are that like Michael Jordan's Bulls Place,
Speaker 1: where they're just kind the coasting and they when they
Speaker 1: need to make a play, they'll make it and they'll
Speaker 1: win the game because that has never really been in doubt.
Speaker 1: And then sometimes you'll have games like this where you
Speaker 1: could tell their foot isn't truly uh pedal to the metal.
Speaker 1: So you know, good, good for the Chiefs. Sixteen and
Speaker 1: wins a win, it's gonna get the Steelers fans angry mark,
Speaker 1: which is always kind of fun. Uh. They think they
Speaker 1: should be number one, uh in the power rankings. Well, nope,
Speaker 1: Cheese will still be number one. Deal with it. And
Speaker 1: that's that. Hey Shook does does she know that your
Speaker 1: ring shopping? No, the door is closed. When I said
Speaker 1: that earlier, I would, but preliminary discussions I got, you know,
Speaker 1: a tip or two. Um, it's not going to be
Speaker 1: the conventional uh set up, I think, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: the pairing of one with another. You know I'm not
Speaker 1: using this specific term because within ear shot. But you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta keep it surprised. But I did get a
Speaker 1: little hinter two. Uh, And like I said, it's it's
Speaker 1: not going to be a total surprise. This has been
Speaker 1: on the docket, It's been on the plane for a
Speaker 1: long time. It's just you better hope none of our friends,
Speaker 1: uh listen to the pot. You better hope Darryl Bevil's
Speaker 1: not Daryl Bevil or anyone from Scotland or you know, Norway,
Speaker 1: like if she's in and they don't know who she
Speaker 1: is at least. Yeah, Yeah, we don't need any uh
Speaker 1: internet sleuths going onto shooks uh Instagram and finding his
Speaker 1: girlfriend and then reaching out. Don't do it. I know
Speaker 1: you wouldn't. Our audience is cool. You know, some audiences
Speaker 1: are terrible, filled with horrible Internet people that are monsters
Speaker 1: that say bad things about women and are disrespectful to
Speaker 1: the hosts and all that. That's not our audience. So chok,
Speaker 1: you have nothing to worry about. And actually I appreciate
Speaker 1: how candid you're being, not just with us here, but
Speaker 1: the audience in this major milestone in your life, and
Speaker 1: it's very exciting. And I know your girlfriend from our
Speaker 1: soft all days. That's a nice job. You did a
Speaker 1: nice job there. Let's lock it up now. Hey, you
Speaker 1: know what, there's a reason I keep my Instagram private.
Speaker 1: But Nick, Nick, are you concerned at all that she
Speaker 1: doesn't even listen to your handiwork on this show? She
Speaker 1: wouldn't even take five minutes to listen to you know
Speaker 1: what's happening here? Well, it's fair she was trying to
Speaker 1: listen specifically to when I'm on she had to scrub
Speaker 1: like the last twenty five minutes of the podcast. It
Speaker 1: might be too much of an effort, so I couldn't
Speaker 1: blame her for it. Okay, but she deals with this
Speaker 1: every day very well. Before we sign off, Hey, Ricky,
Speaker 1: howd we do on the Locks this week? Alright, Ricky?
Speaker 1: We have technical difficulties with Ricky. I can tell you this.
Speaker 1: Oh you there, Erica. I don't know. There's something bad
Speaker 1: is happening with Erica's computer right now. So I will
Speaker 1: quickly say that Greg and I both did good work
Speaker 1: locking up the Rams over the Cardinals. Mark fearlessly locked
Speaker 1: up the Saints who got that ninth winner? Fears it
Speaker 1: were they were they were a field goal favorite. I said,
Speaker 1: locked it up. I didn't say anything was wrong with
Speaker 1: the lock itself. I don't know what West locked or
Speaker 1: Ricky West. West locked the Titans. I didn't want to,
Speaker 1: and you know I didn't want to. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna make that an issue on the show, But Shook,
Speaker 1: you don't lock up against the Browns in a big
Speaker 1: spot like that. You know that as well as I do.
Speaker 1: If I wasn't, you know, didn't want to just like
Speaker 1: disappoint you. I wanted to root for the brown It
Speaker 1: seemed like a good lock. Actually, I thought West might
Speaker 1: be honest something. But I was a surprised. Gregg started
Speaker 1: to say if I wasn't afraid of you, then caught
Speaker 1: himself and then said, if I didn't want to disappoint yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't pick up the cover to Mark, I was
Speaker 1: on the brown side. I picked them to only lose.
Speaker 1: Eric is saying she locked the Browns according to um
Speaker 1: our chat here, I know I saw that that's not she.
Speaker 1: She locked him forty five minutes into the game. You've
Speaker 1: got three uh, you've got three games left, Ricky. You
Speaker 1: can still put a I'm wondering if this is why
Speaker 1: she's having the technical difficulties but could you've got three,
Speaker 1: three good games to choose from some heavy favorites. You
Speaker 1: can even take them. You can you can pick one
Speaker 1: on Monday. Or she locked up the Browns when they
Speaker 1: were up? Did you lock up the Browns when they
Speaker 1: were up? Thirty eight? Seven? Erica because it's seven after
Speaker 1: She's shaking her head furiously. This doesn't seem fair. She can't.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we'll get into this on Tuesday. Shook
Speaker 1: final words. I went on Cleveland radio last week and
Speaker 1: picked the Titans confidently, So I'm gonna be watching my back.
Speaker 1: When I walked around downtown this week, I did the
Speaker 1: same thing. Listen, you weren't alone, did the same alone. Cessler,
Speaker 1: Pinion Titans, Me and Greg nearly locked up the Titans,
Speaker 1: And uh, you know that's what makes football. No, it's
Speaker 1: mental warfare. It's mental warfare. I was like all waterfall, Tennessee,
Speaker 1: and then reality brings it. Ricky is posting in the
Speaker 1: chat room that she locked the Browns. It's nothing personal, Ricky,
Speaker 1: even if you hadn't had the um regrettable uh in
Speaker 1: the middle of cheating the last time something like this happened.
Speaker 1: We just have to play by rules that no one
Speaker 1: would out. You know, you can't pick the game after
Speaker 1: it starts, no matter if you didn't know the score
Speaker 1: or not. You know, if it was like a wess
Speaker 1: or market, they wouldn't put us in this position. You
Speaker 1: just you just got to pick a game that hasn't started.
Speaker 1: You know, a man and a woman, they gotta have
Speaker 1: America at a t N lock ups on Twitter. Who
Speaker 1: this man's been tracking this for years and he does
Speaker 1: awesome work based out in the Tower of London. You
Speaker 1: just got to get in touch with him before kickoff.
Speaker 1: It's basic. It's basic. Come on now, all right, we
Speaker 1: don't know about Ricky's. We feel bad. You can't speak
Speaker 1: right now. Erica's weekends are rough and tumble. She got that,
Speaker 1: you got Thursday, you got Friday. You got the lock
Speaker 1: when you think that weekend begins? All right, okay, another
Speaker 1: week in the books. Thank you to everybody for listening.
Speaker 1: Thank you to Chris Westling and of course Shook. You've
Speaker 1: been you know, six Men of the Year. You know
Speaker 1: in the NBA Finals when your boy lost track of
Speaker 1: the score, that would never be you. I mean, he
Speaker 1: hit some shots in Game seven. A couple of years
Speaker 1: prior to it's all right. Yeah, that's true too. This
Speaker 1: is dan Ass signing off for Quiet Storm, The Old Loss,
Speaker 1: The Mailman, Nick Shook Six Men of the Year, Ricky
Speaker 1: Hollywood Fun Bill Tuesday,