Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong, Joe, Katty Armstrong.
Speaker 2: And Jettie and He Armstrong and Getty Strong and.
Speaker 3: I missed when my kids were younger and Saint Patrick's
Speaker 3: Day was a big deal and they'd wake up in
Speaker 3: the morning and a leprechaun had snuck into our home
Speaker 3: and you're NATed green in the toilet, then left a
Speaker 3: trail of.
Speaker 4: Glitter behind for some reason. I'm not exactly sure what
Speaker 4: went on there, but they loved it. It was really,
Speaker 4: really fun.
Speaker 5: We had leprechaun traps, which is cruel, yes, and really brutal.
Speaker 2: Yes, They'll always get away. They would always get away.
Speaker 5: They would take the gold chocolate coins and get away,
Speaker 5: the clever little bastards.
Speaker 4: We caught one once. He still works for us. I
Speaker 4: work it the green.
Speaker 5: Did you read about that, you unofficial who was just
Speaker 5: prosecuted for slavery?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: Yeah, later on in the show or in the hour.
Speaker 5: We don't have time now, but yeah, but the green
Speaker 5: urine was a real Armstrong innovation.
Speaker 2: We did not do that at my house.
Speaker 4: We heard it from some babysitter or whatever. But Yeah,
Speaker 4: he got that glitter like footprints somehow, and it's disgusting
Speaker 4: all the way around. But anyway, happy to see Patrick's day.
Speaker 5: Oh I should keep moving, but me incontinence is bothering.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll just stop and relieve meself. Oh boy.
Speaker 5: So this is one of the most fascinating things I've
Speaker 5: read in the last several years. It is shockingly from
Speaker 5: the Atlantic, which is just suffocatingly lefty these days. It
Speaker 5: was written by a fellow by the name of Yannie
Speaker 5: apple Bomb Why Americans stopped moving houses and why that's
Speaker 5: a very big problem. Actually Yannie might be a woman,
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Probably is.
Speaker 5: But the subtitle of it is how Progressives Froze the
Speaker 5: American Dream. And I was surprised to see that on
Speaker 5: the cover, but I I dove in. I'm going to
Speaker 5: hit you with parts of it. Jack comment like as
Speaker 5: much as you like, obviously. So the lead is the
Speaker 5: idea that people should be able to choose their own
Speaker 5: communities instead of being stuck where they are born is
Speaker 5: a distinctly American innovation. It is the foundation for the
Speaker 5: country's prosperity and democracy, and it just may be America's
Speaker 5: most profound contribution.
Speaker 2: To the world. I have been saying this for years.
Speaker 4: You have in California, the Midwest, all kinds of places
Speaker 4: I've lived, was settled by people who thought they could
Speaker 4: get a better deal here.
Speaker 5: No society has ever been as mobile as the United
Speaker 5: States once was. No society has even come close. In
Speaker 5: the nineteenth century, friends, the heyday of American mobility, roughly
Speaker 5: a third of all Americans changed addresses each year.
Speaker 2: Wow each year.
Speaker 5: They quote a couple of commentators of the day. The
Speaker 5: Americans devoured with a passion for locomotion, said one French writer,
Speaker 5: he cannot stay in one place. Americans moved far more often,
Speaker 5: over longer distances, and to greater advantage than did people
Speaker 5: in the lands from which.
Speaker 2: They had come.
Speaker 5: They described how in Europe that you just you stayed
Speaker 5: on the land, you stayed in the town. People were
Speaker 5: very suspicious of outsiders. We'll get to that. But over
Speaker 5: the past fifty years, this engine of American opportunity has
Speaker 5: stopped working. Americans become less likely to move from one
Speaker 5: state to another, to move within a state, or even
Speaker 5: to switch residences within a city. In the nineteen sixties,
Speaker 5: now remember it was about one in three in the
Speaker 5: eighteen hundreds the nineteen sixties, about one out of every
Speaker 5: five Americans moved in any given year, down from one
Speaker 5: in three in the nineteenth century, but a frenetic rate, nonetheless,
Speaker 5: so one in five in the nineteen sixties. In twenty
Speaker 5: twenty three, only one in thirteen Americans moved.
Speaker 2: The sharp decline and GEO, you go ahead. Sorry.
Speaker 4: Joe and I both moved a lot for our radio careers,
Speaker 4: and I don't think it's shocking to say the success
Speaker 4: of this project depended on it. Wouldn't it have never
Speaker 4: happened without the willingness to like move to that town,
Speaker 4: than to that town, to then that town for opportunity.
Speaker 2: And probably it's a good time for a disclaimer.
Speaker 5: We both were also raised by people who saw their
Speaker 5: fortune in various ways and moved as necessary for career.
Speaker 5: My dad was in the military for a while and
Speaker 5: then in the publishing industry, and we moved to fair
Speaker 5: Mounta until we finally settled in Chicagoland. But so we
Speaker 5: we can feel and appreciate that side.
Speaker 2: Of the argument, not that it's an argument, per sae.
Speaker 5: Somebody who's lived, you know, hometown, Mom and Dad and
Speaker 5: the cousins are always around, you have giant Sunday dinners
Speaker 5: together of that sort of thing. Yeah, I get a
Speaker 5: tear in my eye thinking about how wonderful that would be.
Speaker 5: But like I've said many times, everything has a cost
Speaker 5: and a benefit. You just have to decide, you know
Speaker 5: what's for you anyway. Reading on from Applebaum's piece, the
Speaker 5: sharp decline in geographic mobility is the single most important
Speaker 5: social change in the past half century, although other shifts
Speaker 5: have attracted far more attention. In that same span, fewer
Speaker 5: Americans have started new businesses and fewer Americans have switched jobs.
Speaker 5: From nineteen eighty five to twenty fourteen, the share of
Speaker 5: people who have become entrepreneurs fell by half.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is seriously troubling.
Speaker 5: And then he gets into more Americans end up worse
Speaker 5: off than their parents. I think part of that is
Speaker 5: coming down from the high of the post WW two
Speaker 5: American dominance that was just going to be hard to avoid.
Speaker 5: But then he gets into how church membership is down
Speaker 5: by a third since nineteen seventy, as is the share
Speaker 5: of Americans who socialized several times a week. Membership in
Speaker 5: any kind of group is half down by half. Well
Speaker 5: the earth rates keep falling.
Speaker 4: One interesting aspect of the not being tied to your
Speaker 4: local church and not socializing seems like that would make
Speaker 4: you more mobile as opposed to less mobile. If you're
Speaker 4: socializing and have a social network, that would be hard
Speaker 4: to leave behind. If you don't socialize, what the hell
Speaker 4: do you care? Go to the next down They got
Speaker 4: a better job.
Speaker 5: The other side of that coin is really interesting, and
Speaker 5: we were going to get to that in a bit,
Speaker 5: but I'll skip to it. And I can relate to
Speaker 5: this because Judy and I relocated what four years ago
Speaker 5: something like that, and it makes you more likely to
Speaker 5: want to go out and meet people. Oh interesting, put
Speaker 5: up with the discomfort of going to a new church
Speaker 5: or joining a club or you know, just for me,
Speaker 5: jumping out a tea time that had one opening and
Speaker 5: introducing myself and meeting people because you want to make connections.
Speaker 5: And indeed that's what they found sociologically. That's interesting, you know,
Speaker 5: it's kind of counterintuitive. It made people more sociable the
Speaker 5: fact that we moved all the time. And then there's
Speaker 5: an interesting political aspect to this. I don't want to
Speaker 5: get on a partisan thing because that's not what this about.
Speaker 5: This is about I will just say that people who
Speaker 5: felt anger and frustration at their financial situation tended to
Speaker 5: vote more for Trump than Hillary, for instance, But the
Speaker 5: number of those people who lived within a two hour
Speaker 5: drive of where they grew up or had never even
Speaker 5: left their hometown was way more huge.
Speaker 2: It says huge gap.
Speaker 5: The number of people who said I'm unhappy with my
Speaker 5: financial life in my career, they were wildly disproportionately people
Speaker 5: who had not relocated to seek their fortune.
Speaker 4: No, I don't want to make this partisan at all,
Speaker 4: because I don't think it needs to be. But we
Speaker 4: have been saying on this show for years, you know,
Speaker 4: broadcasting out of California, people talking about how expensive it
Speaker 4: is to live in San Francisco.
Speaker 2: Well, then move some place cheaper. That's what I always did,
Speaker 2: I think before, to live somewhere.
Speaker 4: I moved someplace cheaper, rather than expect the government or
Speaker 4: somebody to come in and make it cheaper so you
Speaker 4: can stay. Why does the why do other taxpayers owe
Speaker 4: you the ability to stay in a particular town.
Speaker 2: That's nuts, right, right?
Speaker 5: And just you know, you live your life the way
Speaker 5: you see fit, and I will not judge you unless
Speaker 5: you come, I will hard tax money and I'll tell
Speaker 5: you to your jack. I mean, we were very, very
Speaker 5: successful our first job together in Wichita, but we knew
Speaker 5: economically speaking, we had topped out and needed to go,
Speaker 5: you know, seek our fortune elsewhere.
Speaker 2: But a lot of people do that.
Speaker 5: Anyway, this I wanted to get to this part and
Speaker 5: then there's more on the general topic.
Speaker 2: To come and trust me. It's so interesting.
Speaker 5: You've heard the expression moving day, right, I mean, people
Speaker 5: throw it around a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's funny.
Speaker 5: It's a term in golf. It's like the midway point
Speaker 5: of a tournament. You got a chance to move off,
Speaker 5: blah blah blah. And so I'm familiar with the term
Speaker 5: in that way. How do we How did I not
Speaker 5: know this? How did all of us not know?
Speaker 2: This?
Speaker 5: The Great holiday of America when it was so nomadic,
Speaker 5: called Moving Day, observed by renters and landlords throughout the
Speaker 5: nineteenth century and well into the twentieth with a giant
Speaker 5: game of musical houses. Moving Day, they write, was a
Speaker 5: festival of new hopes and new beginnings, of shattered dreams
Speaker 5: and shattered crockery, quite as recognized today as Christmas or
Speaker 5: the fourth of July. Wrote a Chicago newspaper in eighteen
Speaker 5: eighty two.
Speaker 4: I as much as I read history, have never come
Speaker 4: across this.
Speaker 2: I know it's crazy.
Speaker 5: It was primarily an urban thing, although many rural communities
Speaker 5: and suburbans kind of had their own sort, and it varied.
Speaker 5: It might be April first or October first, but May
Speaker 5: first was by far.
Speaker 2: The most popular.
Speaker 5: Literally everybody who is renting a home, and the vast
Speaker 5: majority of people rented. Home ownership was way way lower
Speaker 5: than it is right now. The vast majority of people
Speaker 5: would move on moving Day every year, or almost every year.
Speaker 5: Nothing quite so so astonished visitors from abroad is the
Speaker 5: spectacle of thousands upon thousands of people picking up and
Speaker 5: swapping homes in a single day. For months before moving day,
Speaker 5: Americans prepared for the occasion. Tenants gave notice to the landlords,
Speaker 5: a received word of the new rent. Then followed a
Speaker 5: frenzied period of house hunting, as people, generally women, scouted
Speaker 5: for a new place to live that would in some
Speaker 5: respect improve upon the old quote. They want more room,
Speaker 5: or they want as much room for less rent, or
Speaker 5: they want a better location, or they want some convenience.
Speaker 5: Not heretofore enjoyed, The Topeka Daily Capital summarized, these were
Speaker 5: months of general anticipation. Cities and towns were alive with excitement.
Speaker 5: So if you've ever seen one of those streets scenes
Speaker 5: from back in the day where everybody's got like their
Speaker 5: junk piled on wagons, that was moving day.
Speaker 4: And the point of putting that in the article, obviously
Speaker 4: is to just point out that the cultural attitude about
Speaker 4: moving was so much different. And as we've said, every
Speaker 4: part of this country, people coming out west, starting in
Speaker 4: the very very eastern part of the country and the
Speaker 4: colonies and spreading to you know, when when the wild
Speaker 4: West was Ohio and Kentucky and then going further and
Speaker 4: further for a better opportunity.
Speaker 2: And now.
Speaker 4: Not to be too disparaging of various industries and people,
Speaker 4: because I understand, like Joe said, I fully understand why
Speaker 4: it'd be awesome to stay in your hometown where you
Speaker 4: grow up and have your kids go to the same
Speaker 4: school and you know all your family and friends. I god,
Speaker 4: I would love that. But the idea that coal mining
Speaker 4: goes away and you're gonna stay in the same dead
Speaker 4: town that's never gonna come back.
Speaker 2: Is nuts.
Speaker 4: In terms of the history of this country, or you know,
Speaker 4: working for General Motors in whatever town in Michigan or whatever.
Speaker 4: If something's gone away, then you got to move to
Speaker 4: a different town where the new industry is. That's what
Speaker 4: everybody has done forever in this country. And yeah, pointing
Speaker 4: out that that's gone away, and now we're like Europe,
Speaker 4: where you do plan to stay in the town your
Speaker 4: family is from for generations, which again I understand the appeal.
Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 5: One charming anecdote from this which I can't find, but
Speaker 5: I can paragraph a paraphrase. They mentioned that in Europe, indeed,
Speaker 5: you stay in the same place, very insular, and that
Speaker 5: newcomers would simply cause a more subdivision of the goods
Speaker 5: and services and land available there. So newcomers were like
Speaker 5: a bad thing, whereas in America it was such a
Speaker 5: constant that the idea of a stranger went from a
Speaker 5: threat to literally Americans would say, hello, stranger, you're not
Speaker 5: from around here, are you? And it was not a
Speaker 5: term of suspicion, it was a term of greeting.
Speaker 4: That's really interesting, and I don't think good for the country.
Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty The Armstrong and Getty Show so.
Speaker 2: I've just been reading and reading and reading about JD.
Speaker 5: Vance's speech has two speeches in front of the EU
Speaker 5: want about Europe needs to step up and quit acting
Speaker 5: like a bunch of fat, lazy babies, and the other
Speaker 5: one about free speech and if you're not going to
Speaker 5: embrace democracy and freedom, why do we have an alliance
Speaker 5: to protect democracy and freedom? Twisting their arms on a
Speaker 5: couple of different things. And then the situation Ukraine with
Speaker 5: Putin and then Trump and the things he said, and look,
Speaker 5: my grand unifying theory.
Speaker 2: People are going to be shouting at.
Speaker 5: The radio Thucidides or Cicero or he wrote a book
Speaker 5: about this five thousand years go yeah, dope.
Speaker 2: But it's as simple as this.
Speaker 5: And it reminds me what I've always said about American policy,
Speaker 5: domestic policy, and that is that it veers from guardrail
Speaker 5: to guardrail, and you hit the sweet spot somewhere in
Speaker 5: between the guardrails, but you have no idea you're in
Speaker 5: the sweet spot. So you just keep going to the left,
Speaker 5: say releasing criminals and saying we've overincarcerated.
Speaker 2: Roar on drugs, blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: Until your streets you're just teeming with scumbags and junkies
Speaker 5: and everybody's under threatened. Society sucks, and all the walgreens
Speaker 5: are closing, and then the targets and you got to
Speaker 5: ask somebody to get you socks out from beyond lock
Speaker 5: game blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Then it'll crack.
Speaker 5: Down like crazy and lock up people and blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: And good international relation, Yes, I just said good international relations.
Speaker 5: Geopolitics has a similar rhythm to it, an ebb and flow,
Speaker 5: in that the results of war and conquest lead to
Speaker 5: a desire for peace, trade and prosperity, and peace, trade
Speaker 5: and prosperity over the long term.
Speaker 2: Create the situation that.
Speaker 5: Calls for conquest and war, especially because the victors become
Speaker 5: so weak and comfortable, and those who perceive that they've
Speaker 5: been getting the short end of the stick, be they
Speaker 5: China or Russia or North Korea or whatever, seize opportunities
Speaker 5: they exploit them. The globe or regions explosed into terrible
Speaker 5: wards wars. Do yourself a trait and read for half
Speaker 5: an hour about what's happening in Africa right now someday
Speaker 5: where it's absolutely wars of conquest and control and resource
Speaker 5: grabbing and all are fully.
Speaker 2: Continence on fire. Nobody talks about it.
Speaker 5: But so anyway, post World War Two, we built this
Speaker 5: order to protect freedom and democracy, we become fat and lazy.
Speaker 5: We've started to doubt the dynamics of democracy here in
Speaker 5: a place like Germany.
Speaker 2: They barely ever had them.
Speaker 5: Honestly, they're so freaked out and guilt ridden over the
Speaker 5: Nazi thing, although they basically did what we told them
Speaker 5: to do, and the minute we gave them, we gave
Speaker 5: them or they took control. No, no, no, this is
Speaker 5: how we're going to run a democracy in the German way.
Speaker 5: They got way off base and are now being torn
Speaker 5: asunder by conflict, and stability in Europe is about over.
Speaker 5: I don't think Ukraine's a blip. I think it might be,
Speaker 5: you know, other several years until the real storm hits.
Speaker 5: But I think prosperity has created the playing field for chaos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's no avoiding it.
Speaker 4: Won't get into it now, but there are some statistics
Speaker 4: that were I came across somewhere after JD Vance's speech
Speaker 4: of just how little Europe has put in to their
Speaker 4: own defense over the past many years. We care about
Speaker 4: Europe being stable, way more than they care about it
Speaker 4: being stable because they think we'll keep it stable.
Speaker 2: All right. And I've got the quotes around here somewhere.
Speaker 5: But going back to Barack Obama and Robert Gates in
Speaker 5: twenty twelve saying, hey, Euros, you've got to take an
Speaker 5: active role financially.
Speaker 2: You got to build up your military.
Speaker 5: You got to act like you're serious about this, because
Speaker 5: we are not going to carry you.
Speaker 2: Get serious. And they said, yeah, yeah, well up our
Speaker 2: spending by half a percent. Yeah, it'll be fine.
Speaker 5: And they just they do not pay heed and now
Speaker 5: that the wolf is at their door that they don't
Speaker 5: know what to do about it.
Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joe The Armstrong and Getty Show, The
Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 4: I'm some interesting sleep stats for you. Everybody sleeps or
Speaker 4: talks about sleep. It seems everybody does sleep. It does
Speaker 4: seam everybody talks about sleep. I am having a I
Speaker 4: now officially called a crisis, a sleep crisis, the first
Speaker 4: time in my life. So I got to spend some
Speaker 4: time looking into figuring this out. I mean, it's a crisis.
Speaker 4: I've had periods in my life, like lots of parents,
Speaker 4: where I wasn't getting enough sleep. But that was just
Speaker 4: because I didn't have, you know, the opportunity to spend
Speaker 4: enough time in bed sleeping. It wasn't because I couldn't
Speaker 4: figure out how to sleep. Now I can get into bed,
Speaker 4: and just like last night, I went to bed at
Speaker 4: I don't know when, it was nine o'clock. I laid
Speaker 4: there till at least two am. Last time, I completely
Speaker 4: awake the whole time. Oh, no idea. I had no
Speaker 4: caffeine from ten am. I mean, I just and I
Speaker 4: have no idea where this has come from. And it's
Speaker 4: just happened kind of out of nowhere. It's driving me nuts.
Speaker 4: It's a horrible feeling. And then you obviously you got
Speaker 4: all the problems with being asleep. I'm looking at government statistics.
Speaker 4: This is from one of your national health organizations something
Speaker 4: or other. Nearly before we get to that, have you
Speaker 4: dealt with the guilt you have for having staged bum
Speaker 4: fights for all those years? Still staging bum fights? The money,
Speaker 4: the money is great shame and it's shame. It's easier
Speaker 4: than ever to find crazy violent drum bums. So oh
Speaker 4: that's a good pa. It's really the golden era of
Speaker 4: staging bump fights. Wow, I could go right outside the
Speaker 4: radio station right now and find two crazy, angry people
Speaker 4: who'd be happy to fight each other for a couple
Speaker 4: of bucks.
Speaker 2: He's not joking. I'm not joking. Well, I'm joking that
Speaker 2: I am going to do that.
Speaker 4: I'm not joking that I can find two angry, violent
Speaker 4: people downstairs that would fight, or maybe over in the
Speaker 4: sales room.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: For of adults report falling asleep during the day without
Speaker 4: meaning to at least once a month. Do you fall
Speaker 4: asleep during the day at least once a month Americans?
Speaker 4: I fall asleep driving way too often, always have.
Speaker 5: Really, Oh that's not a minor story. Yeah, Katie's like, wait, wait,
Speaker 5: wait what I know. I've been hearing this for years.
Speaker 2: You don't asleep driving. You just try to slide that
Speaker 2: right by us. You don't fall asleep driving. No, I
Speaker 2: am acting that way.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't want to. It's not like I think
Speaker 4: it's cool. I know, I know, Katie, I know. I
Speaker 4: don't know what to say. You just well, a lot
Speaker 4: of Americans fall asleep during the day without meaning to
Speaker 4: at least once a month, do you, Katie?
Speaker 2: No, I actually driving at your desk or anything like that.
Speaker 6: No, I simply can't do that, and I don't know.
Speaker 2: We're the same. That would be that would be astonishing
Speaker 2: to me if that happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if I believe this number, but
Speaker 4: it is. It's a from the National Institute of Health's
Speaker 4: health not not that I believe they're statistics, but it's
Speaker 4: not most sleep statistics you hear, Oh, and then.
Speaker 2: Look for this.
Speaker 4: Almost all sleep statistics you hear about pillows and sleep
Speaker 4: and whatever. You look at the bottom and it's paid
Speaker 4: for by a mattress company or a pillow company or whatever.
Speaker 2: That's crap.
Speaker 4: But this is from the National Institute's about that'd be
Speaker 4: a shocking number if forty percent of adults fall asleep
Speaker 4: during the day unintentionally once a month. I mean, even
Speaker 4: when I had my desk job and I'd go and
Speaker 4: have a big lunch and I was on the west
Speaker 4: side of the building, gladys, I tell you, I remember
Speaker 4: it so well, and the office would get so warm
Speaker 4: with the afternoon sun shining on my office, and I'd
Speaker 4: have a full belly and it closed the door like
Speaker 4: I was on an important call. You say, maybe a
Speaker 4: good shit ten minutes just so, but that's all that
Speaker 4: was entirely on purpose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do that
Speaker 4: regularly in the car or sitting in a chair or wherever.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think falling asleep on accident is like NARCOLEPSI, isn't it.
Speaker 2: You just kind of start nodding off. So it's a
Speaker 2: sign for sure. I sometimes fall asleep during hour three
Speaker 2: of our show.
Speaker 4: Wow, that was way out of line. I'll tell you
Speaker 4: what it is before I give the percentage. We've been
Speaker 4: trying to do this for years because if you give
Speaker 4: the percentage first, by the time you get to the
Speaker 4: what it was, nobody remembers the percentage exactly. This is
Speaker 4: the percentage of adults who had trouble falling asleep most
Speaker 4: days or every day in the last month. That would
Speaker 4: be me fourteen and a half percent, which pretty big chunk,
Speaker 4: having trouble fallen asleep almost every day I have my
Speaker 4: whole life. So I just think that's the way I
Speaker 4: built pretty much. But not like lay there for hours
Speaker 4: like has just hit me recently for some reason, it increases.
Speaker 4: And this is where I thought it was particularly interesting.
Speaker 4: And this is from the CDC. The percentage of people
Speaker 4: who have trouble falling asleep goes up as your education
Speaker 4: goes down, as your family income goes down, and as
Speaker 4: you become more rural, which is surprising to me really.
Speaker 5: Yeah, lower income rural people have more sleep problems than
Speaker 5: hard driving urbanites. Yeah, this is that counter into it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I agree, but that's the dark of the country night.
Speaker 5: You got the crickets at Chirpin, you just had, you know,
Speaker 5: got slapjacks. What's the John Denver song?
Speaker 2: I don't know what is the John Denver song?
Speaker 5: You know with the thank God I'm a country boy. Oh,
Speaker 5: I got me and my pipe, I got me Old Phil.
Speaker 5: When the sun's coming up, I got cakes on the griddle.
Speaker 5: Can you not fall asleep?
Speaker 2: With the lifestyle?
Speaker 6: I wonder if they have more trouble falling asleep because
Speaker 6: they're not as busy throughout the day. Maybe like the
Speaker 6: slower lifestyle, they're not so go, go go.
Speaker 2: I don't know, well, I don't know. I have no
Speaker 2: idea what that is.
Speaker 4: But then they're the they're the uh statistics on staying asleep,
Speaker 4: which is a whole nother thing too, which I and
Speaker 4: I know lots of people have you fall asleep? But
Speaker 4: then you wake up at one of them morning or
Speaker 4: do in the morning for some unknown reason, and you
Speaker 4: lay there for a while, which I hate.
Speaker 2: I just hate that. Peey, It's just the worst.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: And then you know, you keep looking at the clock
Speaker 4: and it gets closer to when you got to get
Speaker 4: up and you're still tired.
Speaker 2: I hate it. But breaking it.
Speaker 4: Down again, so education income goes down, the likelihood that
Speaker 4: you're not gonna be able to sleep goes up. A
Speaker 4: greater percentage of white adults had trouble staying asleep every
Speaker 4: day in the last month then Hispanic, Black, or Asian.
Speaker 2: Any idea why that is? My white guilt keeps me up.
Speaker 5: I know, yep, yes, yeah, Robin DiAngelo really talks some
Speaker 5: sense to me. And now I can't go to sleep
Speaker 5: at night knowing that my ancestors one hundred and seventy
Speaker 5: five years ago did bad stuff.
Speaker 4: The crowd that has the least trouble, it would look
Speaker 4: like from the statistics, is urban educated Asian people. Almost
Speaker 4: nobody has trouble sleeping, getting to sleep, or staying asleep.
Speaker 2: Wow, why that is? I have no idea. Tiger moms
Speaker 2: their heads hit the pillow and they're out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you have any guests as to why that
Speaker 4: is with the because in my mind, you go up
Speaker 4: in income and education and people are like, go go
Speaker 4: drinking coffee, high pressure.
Speaker 2: But that's not doesn't fit in with the statistics.
Speaker 5: Okay, here's your hillbilly elegy analysis. We are heavily weighted
Speaker 5: in semi rural to rural America with the former manufacturing
Speaker 5: job on disability, drinking too much, taking drugs, smoking cigarettes,
Speaker 5: crowd and their lifestyles just aren't conducive to get in sleep.
Speaker 5: They're obese, they don't get enough exercise. That is weighted the.
Speaker 4: Statistic is that the typical rural lifestyle at this point
Speaker 4: that's not mean to experience.
Speaker 2: But is that overwhelmed the statistics?
Speaker 5: Now, well, yeah, that's I chose my words carefully as always.
Speaker 5: I think that has weighted those statistics in that direction.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's typical or not, but there
Speaker 2: are a hell of a lot of.
Speaker 4: People who do live like that. If you have less
Speaker 4: than a high school diploma, one in six haven't been
Speaker 4: able to get to sleep most days in the last
Speaker 4: thirty days.
Speaker 2: So education going down?
Speaker 4: Is that is that the stress of how do I
Speaker 4: make a living or do you think that's because we've
Speaker 4: always liked the statistic To make this point of what
Speaker 4: is the statistic?
Speaker 2: We like two out of three that's my favorite. People who.
Speaker 4: People who divorce, who get divorced are more likely to smoke,
Speaker 4: or it's the other way around. People who smoke are
Speaker 4: more likely to get divorced. Smoking doesn't cause divorce or
Speaker 4: vice versa. But there's a lifestyle that goes with smoking generally, and.
Speaker 2: So the way of lundering at life.
Speaker 4: So what I'm wondering about the uh, the less than
Speaker 4: a high school diploma, Are you more likely to like
Speaker 4: drink red Bulls until ten o'clock at night and then
Speaker 4: try to get to sleep?
Speaker 2: Then if you have a college education, I don't know that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's I think.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you've led us to the Promised Land, and well done,
Speaker 5: I say. I think if you looked at a list
Speaker 5: of say four or five or six, I don't study
Speaker 5: this stuff, I don't know quote unquote sleep, disruptive habit
Speaker 5: or activities. I think they would be more heavily on
Speaker 5: the lower income end.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 4: Scratchers. The scratchers keep you awake trying to figure out
Speaker 4: if you match three numbers.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Bondo on your car, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've got any idea why as
Speaker 4: education goes down, sleep problems go up. Now I am
Speaker 4: a college graduate in a suburban area.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I shouldn't be having to I don't know what the problem.
Speaker 4: I do drink Red Bull all day long. No, I
Speaker 4: actually can't drink that stuff. I don't know how anybody does.
Speaker 4: My son and all his friends do. They love it,
Speaker 4: and it's horrible. It's horrible. I limit him with disgusting
Speaker 4: But and I don't I don't know. I might actually
Speaker 4: have to see a doctor about this.
Speaker 2: At this point.
Speaker 4: It's become a crisis. It's a crisis in my life.
Speaker 4: And I dread over the last several weeks. I dread
Speaker 4: going to bed, even though I'm exhausted, just oh god,
Speaker 4: I can't just lay there.
Speaker 2: And then of course that adds to it.
Speaker 4: It's like when you're worried about if you're worried about
Speaker 4: your blood pressure, get your blood pressure checked.
Speaker 2: Oh, tell me about it? Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Somebody suggested the three ms magnesium, melatonin, and masturbation.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, wow, what night after night to get and
Speaker 2: stay asleep.
Speaker 4: Exercise, physical exercise. Clearly get I get exercise. I'm not
Speaker 4: doing anything different, That's what's crazy. None, no changes in
Speaker 4: my life, just all of a sudden, can't sleep at all,
Speaker 4: like hardly age man age.
Speaker 2: I wonder if the bang bangs are getting to you?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know the double meal eating for those
Speaker 5: not familiar with the term.
Speaker 6: I don't sleep great when I eat like crap sometimes,
Speaker 6: so maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: Stop going to Wiener Snitzel.
Speaker 5: He does eat like a bear having discovered an unlocked
Speaker 5: door the Lake Tahoe cabin.
Speaker 4: What did I have for dinner last night? Let's just
Speaker 4: use like a random meal like last night. This is
Speaker 4: science last night for dinner, quarter pounder with and a mcflury.
Speaker 4: So there's nothing to Katie's theory whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Clearly I'm just taking it up. Oh my god, who
Speaker 2: eats like that?
Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joe The Armstrong and Getty Show. Jack
Speaker 1: Armstrong and Joe Getty, The Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 5: But anyways, speaking of Donald Jay, you know I see
Speaker 5: him as like some of my favorite athletes through the years,
Speaker 5: great strengths and great flaws.
Speaker 2: That's fine, that's enough set.
Speaker 5: But he gave an address at Alabama Roll Tide at
Speaker 5: their graduation the other day in which he rolled out
Speaker 5: ten thoughts about success that I found very very interesting,
Speaker 5: and they explained a fair amount about Trump himself. First one,
Speaker 5: success can happen at a young age, he said, in America,
Speaker 5: with drive and ambition, young people can do anything. And
Speaker 5: he cited some chapters of his own life. And I hear, yeah,
Speaker 5: the dad was rich and gave him money. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5: But he mentioned other American innovators like Steve Jobs, Walt Disney,
Speaker 5: the founders who started off in their twenties. Don't waste
Speaker 5: your youth, he said, get after love what you do.
Speaker 5: He says, I rarely see somebody that's successful that doesn't
Speaker 5: love what he or she does. Yeah, that's a mixed bag.
Speaker 5: Let me get through it, then we can discuss. He
Speaker 5: pointed to his father, Fred Trump, who died in ninety
Speaker 5: nine at the age of ninety three. He was a
Speaker 5: tough guy, tough as hell actually, or he worked seven
Speaker 5: days a week, not because he had to, but because
Speaker 5: he enjoyed it. And Matthew count in any comments, Well,
Speaker 5: it's hard for his critics to understand. Donald Trump and
Speaker 5: his supporters enjoy politics a sense of fun, improvisation, and
Speaker 5: risk imbuse his rallies and campaigns. This is what the
Speaker 5: Sean Duffy and the reforming air traffic control thing reminded
Speaker 5: me of, because instead of saying, well, we've got to
Speaker 5: protect the unions, and you know, the head of the FBAA,
Speaker 5: he's got his turf and you know, we don't want
Speaker 5: to rush into this blah blah blah blah, which has
Speaker 5: yielded a system that still used the technology of the
Speaker 5: nineteen nineties, even though it's one of the most important
Speaker 5: things the government does. Think Big Trump said, it's just
Speaker 5: as hard to solve a small problem as a big problem.
Speaker 5: He finds the audacious more enticing than the incremental. He
Speaker 5: leans toward the wildest visions. Winning the presidency despite no
Speaker 5: military or government experience, for example, or being re elected
Speaker 5: after impeachment, defeat, embarrassment, indictments, a criminal conviction and two
Speaker 5: assassination attempts, Oh my god, rewriting the rules of American
Speaker 5: government foreign policy, or the global trading system, or turning
Speaker 5: the Gaza Strip into a luxury resort, or reopening Alcatraz Prison.
Speaker 5: The list goes on, and some of it gets filed
Speaker 5: away with the under the heading no, but some of
Speaker 5: it is worth considering, And it's kind of cool that
Speaker 5: someone would say it out loud. Yeah, we'd been in
Speaker 5: these post WW two trade agreements for seventy years.
Speaker 2: Why do we blow them up? What would happen?
Speaker 5: He quotes the great Gary Player, South African pro golfer,
Speaker 5: nine Major Champion Chip winner. He was one of those
Speaker 5: guys who's fond of saying it's funny. The harder I work,
Speaker 5: the luckier I get.
Speaker 2: Yeah. True.
Speaker 5: Anyway, don't lose your momentum. I thought this was interesting.
Speaker 5: The word momentum is very important.
Speaker 2: Trump said.
Speaker 5: He brought up William Leavitt, real estate developer who pioneered
Speaker 5: the post WW two move to the suburbs in nineteen
Speaker 5: seventy two. You remember Levitt Towns. That was an expression. Anyway,
Speaker 5: Levitt sold his company to a large corporation. He was
Speaker 5: never able to recapture his earlier success, and years later
Speaker 5: Trump continued to encountered Levitt at a party, referring to
Speaker 5: the say a Levitt told Trump, I shouldn't have done it.
Speaker 5: I lost my momentum and the anecdotes right. The anecdote, rather,
Speaker 5: writes Matthew Continenty, reveals why Trump operates at such high speeds.
Speaker 5: Trump has been liking to the honey badger who doesn't
Speaker 5: give up. His tenacity is related to a fear that's
Speaker 5: slowing down means a loss of momentum and an end
Speaker 5: to his career.
Speaker 2: I love this be an outsider.
Speaker 5: Progress never comes from those satisfied with the failures of
Speaker 5: a broken system.
Speaker 2: Trump said, Wow, one more time.
Speaker 5: Progress never comes from those satisfied with the failures of
Speaker 5: a broken system. The contrast with his political antithesis, Barack
Speaker 5: Obama is stark, writes Continenty. Obama says progress is achieved
Speaker 5: through bottom up community action within institutions. For Trump, progress
Speaker 5: is the result of renegade individuals willing to break things.
Speaker 5: That Trump approach is more effective, and he goes into
Speaker 5: it a little bit. Trust your instincts. I have a
Speaker 5: quibble with this. I won't get into I'd like to
Speaker 5: rephrase it as trust your common sense. And Trump addressed
Speaker 5: the kids at Alabama said Trump used the word instinct
Speaker 5: as a synonym for common sense.
Speaker 2: Borders are not racist, he said. Speech is not violence.
Speaker 5: America is good and terrorists are bad. Men can never
Speaker 5: become women. Police are not criminals, and criminals are not victims.
Speaker 5: Police can be criminals. But that's about as clear as
Speaker 5: a credo as you can get.
Speaker 2: How does that get more attention?
Speaker 5: Ah, because it probably makes so much sense, and the
Speaker 5: media hated it. Believe in the American Dream. Last August,
Speaker 5: Trump declared that the American dream was dead. He pledged
Speaker 5: to bring it back. Mission accomplished. The American Dream is real,
Speaker 5: he said to the Alabamas. It's there, it's right before you.
Speaker 2: Oh. Two more things.
Speaker 5: Think positively, he said, to the youngsters and their parents
Speaker 5: and friends. Don't consider yourself a victim, he said, consider
Speaker 5: yourself a winner. He recommended one of his favorite books,
Speaker 5: a classic, The Power of Positive Thinking by Norman Vincent Peel.
Speaker 5: The teaching has your universal application. Whether you're born rich
Speaker 5: or poort, black or white, male or female. In America,
Speaker 5: anyone can be a winner and finally be an original.
Speaker 5: And His list of American trailblazers went from Teddy Roosevelt
Speaker 5: to Doug MacArthur, George Patton, Amelia Earhart, Annie Oakley, Muhammad Ali,
Speaker 5: all men and women of action, daredevil's risk takers, outside personalities.
Speaker 2: FO He's capone, You're one of a kind.
Speaker 5: Trump told the graduates, don't try to be someone else,
Speaker 5: just be yourself, and finally, and most importantly concluded, never
Speaker 5: ever give up.
Speaker 2: Number eleven, Have a hot young wife. Number twelve, be
Speaker 2: like Hitler because I'm the new Hitler. Unbelievable. So much
Speaker 2: good there.
Speaker 5: For all the legitimate criticisms, those are points worth considering
Speaker 5: and teaching your kids.
Speaker 4: When Democrat presidents speak to Harvard with the usual crap
Speaker 4: and gets you in the leads every newscast. I didn't
Speaker 4: hear a word about it up Trump speech tow Alabama.
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