1 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong, Joe, Katty Armstrong. 3 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 2: And Jettie and He Armstrong and Getty Strong and. 4 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 3: I missed when my kids were younger and Saint Patrick's 5 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 3: Day was a big deal and they'd wake up in 6 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 3: the morning and a leprechaun had snuck into our home 7 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 3: and you're NATed green in the toilet, then left a 8 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 3: trail of. 9 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 4: Glitter behind for some reason. I'm not exactly sure what 10 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 4: went on there, but they loved it. It was really, 11 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 4: really fun. 12 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 5: We had leprechaun traps, which is cruel, yes, and really brutal. 13 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: Yes, They'll always get away. They would always get away. 14 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 5: They would take the gold chocolate coins and get away, 15 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 5: the clever little bastards. 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 4: We caught one once. He still works for us. I 17 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 4: work it the green. 18 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 5: Did you read about that, you unofficial who was just 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 5: prosecuted for slavery? 20 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 4: No? 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, later on in the show or in the hour. 22 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 5: We don't have time now, but yeah, but the green 23 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 5: urine was a real Armstrong innovation. 24 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: We did not do that at my house. 25 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 4: We heard it from some babysitter or whatever. But Yeah, 26 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 4: he got that glitter like footprints somehow, and it's disgusting 27 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 4: all the way around. But anyway, happy to see Patrick's day. 28 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 5: Oh I should keep moving, but me incontinence is bothering. 29 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll just stop and relieve meself. Oh boy. 30 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 5: So this is one of the most fascinating things I've 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 5: read in the last several years. It is shockingly from 32 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 5: the Atlantic, which is just suffocatingly lefty these days. It 33 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 5: was written by a fellow by the name of Yannie 34 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 5: apple Bomb Why Americans stopped moving houses and why that's 35 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 5: a very big problem. Actually Yannie might be a woman, 36 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 5: I don't know. 37 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: Probably is. 38 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 5: But the subtitle of it is how Progressives Froze the 39 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 5: American Dream. And I was surprised to see that on 40 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 5: the cover, but I I dove in. I'm going to 41 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 5: hit you with parts of it. Jack comment like as 42 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 5: much as you like, obviously. So the lead is the 43 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 5: idea that people should be able to choose their own 44 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 5: communities instead of being stuck where they are born is 45 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 5: a distinctly American innovation. It is the foundation for the 46 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 5: country's prosperity and democracy, and it just may be America's 47 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 5: most profound contribution. 48 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: To the world. I have been saying this for years. 49 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 4: You have in California, the Midwest, all kinds of places 50 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 4: I've lived, was settled by people who thought they could 51 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 4: get a better deal here. 52 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 5: No society has ever been as mobile as the United 53 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 5: States once was. No society has even come close. In 54 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 5: the nineteenth century, friends, the heyday of American mobility, roughly 55 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 5: a third of all Americans changed addresses each year. 56 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: Wow each year. 57 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 5: They quote a couple of commentators of the day. The 58 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 5: Americans devoured with a passion for locomotion, said one French writer, 59 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 5: he cannot stay in one place. Americans moved far more often, 60 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 5: over longer distances, and to greater advantage than did people 61 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 5: in the lands from which. 62 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 2: They had come. 63 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 5: They described how in Europe that you just you stayed 64 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 5: on the land, you stayed in the town. People were 65 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 5: very suspicious of outsiders. We'll get to that. But over 66 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 5: the past fifty years, this engine of American opportunity has 67 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 5: stopped working. Americans become less likely to move from one 68 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 5: state to another, to move within a state, or even 69 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 5: to switch residences within a city. In the nineteen sixties, 70 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 5: now remember it was about one in three in the 71 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 5: eighteen hundreds the nineteen sixties, about one out of every 72 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 5: five Americans moved in any given year, down from one 73 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 5: in three in the nineteenth century, but a frenetic rate, nonetheless, 74 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 5: so one in five in the nineteen sixties. In twenty 75 00:03:54,760 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 5: twenty three, only one in thirteen Americans moved. 76 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: The sharp decline and GEO, you go ahead. Sorry. 77 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 4: Joe and I both moved a lot for our radio careers, 78 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 4: and I don't think it's shocking to say the success 79 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 4: of this project depended on it. Wouldn't it have never 80 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 4: happened without the willingness to like move to that town, 81 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 4: than to that town, to then that town for opportunity. 82 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: And probably it's a good time for a disclaimer. 83 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 5: We both were also raised by people who saw their 84 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 5: fortune in various ways and moved as necessary for career. 85 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 5: My dad was in the military for a while and 86 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 5: then in the publishing industry, and we moved to fair 87 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 5: Mounta until we finally settled in Chicagoland. But so we 88 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 5: we can feel and appreciate that side. 89 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: Of the argument, not that it's an argument, per sae. 90 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 5: Somebody who's lived, you know, hometown, Mom and Dad and 91 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 5: the cousins are always around, you have giant Sunday dinners 92 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 5: together of that sort of thing. Yeah, I get a 93 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 5: tear in my eye thinking about how wonderful that would be. 94 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 5: But like I've said many times, everything has a cost 95 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 5: and a benefit. You just have to decide, you know 96 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 5: what's for you anyway. Reading on from Applebaum's piece, the 97 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 5: sharp decline in geographic mobility is the single most important 98 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 5: social change in the past half century, although other shifts 99 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 5: have attracted far more attention. In that same span, fewer 100 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 5: Americans have started new businesses and fewer Americans have switched jobs. 101 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 5: From nineteen eighty five to twenty fourteen, the share of 102 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 5: people who have become entrepreneurs fell by half. 103 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: Wow, that is seriously troubling. 104 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 5: And then he gets into more Americans end up worse 105 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 5: off than their parents. I think part of that is 106 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 5: coming down from the high of the post WW two 107 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 5: American dominance that was just going to be hard to avoid. 108 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 5: But then he gets into how church membership is down 109 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 5: by a third since nineteen seventy, as is the share 110 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 5: of Americans who socialized several times a week. Membership in 111 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 5: any kind of group is half down by half. Well 112 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 5: the earth rates keep falling. 113 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 4: One interesting aspect of the not being tied to your 114 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 4: local church and not socializing seems like that would make 115 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 4: you more mobile as opposed to less mobile. If you're 116 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 4: socializing and have a social network, that would be hard 117 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 4: to leave behind. If you don't socialize, what the hell 118 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 4: do you care? Go to the next down They got 119 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 4: a better job. 120 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 5: The other side of that coin is really interesting, and 121 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 5: we were going to get to that in a bit, 122 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 5: but I'll skip to it. And I can relate to 123 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 5: this because Judy and I relocated what four years ago 124 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 5: something like that, and it makes you more likely to 125 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 5: want to go out and meet people. Oh interesting, put 126 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,239 Speaker 5: up with the discomfort of going to a new church 127 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 5: or joining a club or you know, just for me, 128 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 5: jumping out a tea time that had one opening and 129 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 5: introducing myself and meeting people because you want to make connections. 130 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 5: And indeed that's what they found sociologically. That's interesting, you know, 131 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 5: it's kind of counterintuitive. It made people more sociable the 132 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 5: fact that we moved all the time. And then there's 133 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 5: an interesting political aspect to this. I don't want to 134 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 5: get on a partisan thing because that's not what this about. 135 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 5: This is about I will just say that people who 136 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 5: felt anger and frustration at their financial situation tended to 137 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 5: vote more for Trump than Hillary, for instance, But the 138 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 5: number of those people who lived within a two hour 139 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 5: drive of where they grew up or had never even 140 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 5: left their hometown was way more huge. 141 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: It says huge gap. 142 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 5: The number of people who said I'm unhappy with my 143 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 5: financial life in my career, they were wildly disproportionately people 144 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 5: who had not relocated to seek their fortune. 145 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 4: No, I don't want to make this partisan at all, 146 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 4: because I don't think it needs to be. But we 147 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 4: have been saying on this show for years, you know, 148 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 4: broadcasting out of California, people talking about how expensive it 149 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 4: is to live in San Francisco. 150 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: Well, then move some place cheaper. That's what I always did, 151 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 2: I think before, to live somewhere. 152 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 4: I moved someplace cheaper, rather than expect the government or 153 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 4: somebody to come in and make it cheaper so you 154 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 4: can stay. Why does the why do other taxpayers owe 155 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 4: you the ability to stay in a particular town. 156 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: That's nuts, right, right? 157 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 5: And just you know, you live your life the way 158 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 5: you see fit, and I will not judge you unless 159 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 5: you come, I will hard tax money and I'll tell 160 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 5: you to your jack. I mean, we were very, very 161 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 5: successful our first job together in Wichita, but we knew 162 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 5: economically speaking, we had topped out and needed to go, 163 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 5: you know, seek our fortune elsewhere. 164 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: But a lot of people do that. 165 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 5: Anyway, this I wanted to get to this part and 166 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 5: then there's more on the general topic. 167 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: To come and trust me. It's so interesting. 168 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 5: You've heard the expression moving day, right, I mean, people 169 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 5: throw it around a little bit. 170 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 2: It's funny. 171 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 5: It's a term in golf. It's like the midway point 172 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 5: of a tournament. You got a chance to move off, 173 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 5: blah blah blah. And so I'm familiar with the term 174 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 5: in that way. How do we How did I not 175 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 5: know this? How did all of us not know? 176 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: This? 177 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 5: The Great holiday of America when it was so nomadic, 178 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 5: called Moving Day, observed by renters and landlords throughout the 179 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 5: nineteenth century and well into the twentieth with a giant 180 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 5: game of musical houses. Moving Day, they write, was a 181 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 5: festival of new hopes and new beginnings, of shattered dreams 182 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 5: and shattered crockery, quite as recognized today as Christmas or 183 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 5: the fourth of July. Wrote a Chicago newspaper in eighteen 184 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 5: eighty two. 185 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 4: I as much as I read history, have never come 186 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 4: across this. 187 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: I know it's crazy. 188 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 5: It was primarily an urban thing, although many rural communities 189 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 5: and suburbans kind of had their own sort, and it varied. 190 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 5: It might be April first or October first, but May 191 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 5: first was by far. 192 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 2: The most popular. 193 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 5: Literally everybody who is renting a home, and the vast 194 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 5: majority of people rented. Home ownership was way way lower 195 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 5: than it is right now. The vast majority of people 196 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 5: would move on moving Day every year, or almost every year. 197 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 5: Nothing quite so so astonished visitors from abroad is the 198 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 5: spectacle of thousands upon thousands of people picking up and 199 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 5: swapping homes in a single day. For months before moving day, 200 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 5: Americans prepared for the occasion. Tenants gave notice to the landlords, 201 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 5: a received word of the new rent. Then followed a 202 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 5: frenzied period of house hunting, as people, generally women, scouted 203 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 5: for a new place to live that would in some 204 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 5: respect improve upon the old quote. They want more room, 205 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 5: or they want as much room for less rent, or 206 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 5: they want a better location, or they want some convenience. 207 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 5: Not heretofore enjoyed, The Topeka Daily Capital summarized, these were 208 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 5: months of general anticipation. Cities and towns were alive with excitement. 209 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 5: So if you've ever seen one of those streets scenes 210 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 5: from back in the day where everybody's got like their 211 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 5: junk piled on wagons, that was moving day. 212 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 4: And the point of putting that in the article, obviously 213 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 4: is to just point out that the cultural attitude about 214 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 4: moving was so much different. And as we've said, every 215 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 4: part of this country, people coming out west, starting in 216 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 4: the very very eastern part of the country and the 217 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 4: colonies and spreading to you know, when when the wild 218 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 4: West was Ohio and Kentucky and then going further and 219 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 4: further for a better opportunity. 220 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: And now. 221 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 4: Not to be too disparaging of various industries and people, 222 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 4: because I understand, like Joe said, I fully understand why 223 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 4: it'd be awesome to stay in your hometown where you 224 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 4: grow up and have your kids go to the same 225 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 4: school and you know all your family and friends. I god, 226 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 4: I would love that. But the idea that coal mining 227 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 4: goes away and you're gonna stay in the same dead 228 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 4: town that's never gonna come back. 229 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: Is nuts. 230 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 4: In terms of the history of this country, or you know, 231 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 4: working for General Motors in whatever town in Michigan or whatever. 232 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 4: If something's gone away, then you got to move to 233 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 4: a different town where the new industry is. That's what 234 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 4: everybody has done forever in this country. And yeah, pointing 235 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 4: out that that's gone away, and now we're like Europe, 236 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 4: where you do plan to stay in the town your 237 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 4: family is from for generations, which again I understand the appeal. 238 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah. 239 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 5: One charming anecdote from this which I can't find, but 240 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 5: I can paragraph a paraphrase. They mentioned that in Europe, indeed, 241 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 5: you stay in the same place, very insular, and that 242 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 5: newcomers would simply cause a more subdivision of the goods 243 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 5: and services and land available there. So newcomers were like 244 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 5: a bad thing, whereas in America it was such a 245 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 5: constant that the idea of a stranger went from a 246 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 5: threat to literally Americans would say, hello, stranger, you're not 247 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 5: from around here, are you? And it was not a 248 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 5: term of suspicion, it was a term of greeting. 249 00:12:53,160 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 4: That's really interesting, and I don't think good for the country. 250 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty The Armstrong and Getty Show so. 251 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: I've just been reading and reading and reading about JD. 252 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 5: Vance's speech has two speeches in front of the EU 253 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 5: want about Europe needs to step up and quit acting 254 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 5: like a bunch of fat, lazy babies, and the other 255 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 5: one about free speech and if you're not going to 256 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 5: embrace democracy and freedom, why do we have an alliance 257 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 5: to protect democracy and freedom? Twisting their arms on a 258 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 5: couple of different things. And then the situation Ukraine with 259 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 5: Putin and then Trump and the things he said, and look, 260 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 5: my grand unifying theory. 261 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 2: People are going to be shouting at. 262 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 5: The radio Thucidides or Cicero or he wrote a book 263 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 5: about this five thousand years go yeah, dope. 264 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 2: But it's as simple as this. 265 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 5: And it reminds me what I've always said about American policy, 266 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 5: domestic policy, and that is that it veers from guardrail 267 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 5: to guardrail, and you hit the sweet spot somewhere in 268 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 5: between the guardrails, but you have no idea you're in 269 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 5: the sweet spot. So you just keep going to the left, 270 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 5: say releasing criminals and saying we've overincarcerated. 271 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 2: Roar on drugs, blah blah blah. 272 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 5: Until your streets you're just teeming with scumbags and junkies 273 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 5: and everybody's under threatened. Society sucks, and all the walgreens 274 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 5: are closing, and then the targets and you got to 275 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 5: ask somebody to get you socks out from beyond lock 276 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 5: game blah blah blah. 277 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 2: Then it'll crack. 278 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,359 Speaker 5: Down like crazy and lock up people and blah blah blah. 279 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 5: And good international relation, Yes, I just said good international relations. 280 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 5: Geopolitics has a similar rhythm to it, an ebb and flow, 281 00:14:53,320 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 5: in that the results of war and conquest lead to 282 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 5: a desire for peace, trade and prosperity, and peace, trade 283 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 5: and prosperity over the long term. 284 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: Create the situation that. 285 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 5: Calls for conquest and war, especially because the victors become 286 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 5: so weak and comfortable, and those who perceive that they've 287 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 5: been getting the short end of the stick, be they 288 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 5: China or Russia or North Korea or whatever, seize opportunities 289 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 5: they exploit them. The globe or regions explosed into terrible 290 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 5: wards wars. Do yourself a trait and read for half 291 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 5: an hour about what's happening in Africa right now someday 292 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 5: where it's absolutely wars of conquest and control and resource 293 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 5: grabbing and all are fully. 294 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 2: Continence on fire. Nobody talks about it. 295 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 5: But so anyway, post World War Two, we built this 296 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 5: order to protect freedom and democracy, we become fat and lazy. 297 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 5: We've started to doubt the dynamics of democracy here in 298 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 5: a place like Germany. 299 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: They barely ever had them. 300 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 5: Honestly, they're so freaked out and guilt ridden over the 301 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 5: Nazi thing, although they basically did what we told them 302 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 5: to do, and the minute we gave them, we gave 303 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 5: them or they took control. No, no, no, this is 304 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 5: how we're going to run a democracy in the German way. 305 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 5: They got way off base and are now being torn 306 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 5: asunder by conflict, and stability in Europe is about over. 307 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 5: I don't think Ukraine's a blip. I think it might be, 308 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 5: you know, other several years until the real storm hits. 309 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 5: But I think prosperity has created the playing field for chaos. 310 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's no avoiding it. 311 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 4: Won't get into it now, but there are some statistics 312 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 4: that were I came across somewhere after JD Vance's speech 313 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 4: of just how little Europe has put in to their 314 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 4: own defense over the past many years. We care about 315 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 4: Europe being stable, way more than they care about it 316 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 4: being stable because they think we'll keep it stable. 317 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 2: All right. And I've got the quotes around here somewhere. 318 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 5: But going back to Barack Obama and Robert Gates in 319 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 5: twenty twelve saying, hey, Euros, you've got to take an 320 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 5: active role financially. 321 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: You got to build up your military. 322 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 5: You got to act like you're serious about this, because 323 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 5: we are not going to carry you. 324 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 2: Get serious. And they said, yeah, yeah, well up our 325 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: spending by half a percent. Yeah, it'll be fine. 326 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 5: And they just they do not pay heed and now 327 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 5: that the wolf is at their door that they don't 328 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 5: know what to do about it. 329 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joe The Armstrong and Getty Show, The 330 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty Show. 331 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 4: I'm some interesting sleep stats for you. Everybody sleeps or 332 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 4: talks about sleep. It seems everybody does sleep. It does 333 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 4: seam everybody talks about sleep. I am having a I 334 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 4: now officially called a crisis, a sleep crisis, the first 335 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 4: time in my life. So I got to spend some 336 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 4: time looking into figuring this out. I mean, it's a crisis. 337 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 4: I've had periods in my life, like lots of parents, 338 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 4: where I wasn't getting enough sleep. But that was just 339 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 4: because I didn't have, you know, the opportunity to spend 340 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 4: enough time in bed sleeping. It wasn't because I couldn't 341 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 4: figure out how to sleep. Now I can get into bed, 342 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 4: and just like last night, I went to bed at 343 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 4: I don't know when, it was nine o'clock. I laid 344 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 4: there till at least two am. Last time, I completely 345 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 4: awake the whole time. Oh, no idea. I had no 346 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 4: caffeine from ten am. I mean, I just and I 347 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 4: have no idea where this has come from. And it's 348 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 4: just happened kind of out of nowhere. It's driving me nuts. 349 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 4: It's a horrible feeling. And then you obviously you got 350 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 4: all the problems with being asleep. I'm looking at government statistics. 351 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 4: This is from one of your national health organizations something 352 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 4: or other. Nearly before we get to that, have you 353 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 4: dealt with the guilt you have for having staged bum 354 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 4: fights for all those years? Still staging bum fights? The money, 355 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 4: the money is great shame and it's shame. It's easier 356 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 4: than ever to find crazy violent drum bums. So oh 357 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 4: that's a good pa. It's really the golden era of 358 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 4: staging bump fights. Wow, I could go right outside the 359 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 4: radio station right now and find two crazy, angry people 360 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 4: who'd be happy to fight each other for a couple 361 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 4: of bucks. 362 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 2: He's not joking. I'm not joking. Well, I'm joking that 363 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: I am going to do that. 364 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 4: I'm not joking that I can find two angry, violent 365 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 4: people downstairs that would fight, or maybe over in the 366 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 4: sales room. 367 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 2: I don't know. 368 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 4: For of adults report falling asleep during the day without 369 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 4: meaning to at least once a month. Do you fall 370 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 4: asleep during the day at least once a month Americans? 371 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 4: I fall asleep driving way too often, always have. 372 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 5: Really, Oh that's not a minor story. Yeah, Katie's like, wait, wait, 373 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 5: wait what I know. I've been hearing this for years. 374 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 2: You don't asleep driving. You just try to slide that 375 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 2: right by us. You don't fall asleep driving. No, I 376 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: am acting that way. 377 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 4: Well, I don't want to. It's not like I think 378 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 4: it's cool. I know, I know, Katie, I know. I 379 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 4: don't know what to say. You just well, a lot 380 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 4: of Americans fall asleep during the day without meaning to 381 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 4: at least once a month, do you, Katie? 382 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: No, I actually driving at your desk or anything like that. 383 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 6: No, I simply can't do that, and I don't know. 384 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 2: We're the same. That would be that would be astonishing 385 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 2: to me if that happened. 386 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if I believe this number, but 387 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 4: it is. It's a from the National Institute of Health's 388 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 4: health not not that I believe they're statistics, but it's 389 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 4: not most sleep statistics you hear, Oh, and then. 390 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 2: Look for this. 391 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 4: Almost all sleep statistics you hear about pillows and sleep 392 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 4: and whatever. You look at the bottom and it's paid 393 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 4: for by a mattress company or a pillow company or whatever. 394 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 2: That's crap. 395 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 4: But this is from the National Institute's about that'd be 396 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 4: a shocking number if forty percent of adults fall asleep 397 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 4: during the day unintentionally once a month. I mean, even 398 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 4: when I had my desk job and I'd go and 399 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 4: have a big lunch and I was on the west 400 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 4: side of the building, gladys, I tell you, I remember 401 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 4: it so well, and the office would get so warm 402 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 4: with the afternoon sun shining on my office, and I'd 403 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 4: have a full belly and it closed the door like 404 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 4: I was on an important call. You say, maybe a 405 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 4: good shit ten minutes just so, but that's all that 406 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 4: was entirely on purpose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do that 407 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 4: regularly in the car or sitting in a chair or wherever. 408 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 5: Yeah. 409 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 6: I think falling asleep on accident is like NARCOLEPSI, isn't it. 410 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 2: You just kind of start nodding off. So it's a 411 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: sign for sure. I sometimes fall asleep during hour three 412 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 2: of our show. 413 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 4: Wow, that was way out of line. I'll tell you 414 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 4: what it is before I give the percentage. We've been 415 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 4: trying to do this for years because if you give 416 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 4: the percentage first, by the time you get to the 417 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 4: what it was, nobody remembers the percentage exactly. This is 418 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 4: the percentage of adults who had trouble falling asleep most 419 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 4: days or every day in the last month. That would 420 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 4: be me fourteen and a half percent, which pretty big chunk, 421 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 4: having trouble fallen asleep almost every day I have my 422 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 4: whole life. So I just think that's the way I 423 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 4: built pretty much. But not like lay there for hours 424 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 4: like has just hit me recently for some reason, it increases. 425 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 4: And this is where I thought it was particularly interesting. 426 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 4: And this is from the CDC. The percentage of people 427 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 4: who have trouble falling asleep goes up as your education 428 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 4: goes down, as your family income goes down, and as 429 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,959 Speaker 4: you become more rural, which is surprising to me really. 430 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, lower income rural people have more sleep problems than 431 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 5: hard driving urbanites. Yeah, this is that counter into it. Yeah, 432 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 5: I agree, but that's the dark of the country night. 433 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 5: You got the crickets at Chirpin, you just had, you know, 434 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 5: got slapjacks. What's the John Denver song? 435 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: I don't know what is the John Denver song? 436 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 5: You know with the thank God I'm a country boy. Oh, 437 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 5: I got me and my pipe, I got me Old Phil. 438 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 5: When the sun's coming up, I got cakes on the griddle. 439 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 5: Can you not fall asleep? 440 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: With the lifestyle? 441 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 6: I wonder if they have more trouble falling asleep because 442 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 6: they're not as busy throughout the day. Maybe like the 443 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 6: slower lifestyle, they're not so go, go go. 444 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 2: I don't know, well, I don't know. I have no 445 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: idea what that is. 446 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,479 Speaker 4: But then they're the they're the uh statistics on staying asleep, 447 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 4: which is a whole nother thing too, which I and 448 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 4: I know lots of people have you fall asleep? But 449 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 4: then you wake up at one of them morning or 450 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 4: do in the morning for some unknown reason, and you 451 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 4: lay there for a while, which I hate. 452 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: I just hate that. Peey, It's just the worst. 453 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 5: Uh. 454 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 4: And then you know, you keep looking at the clock 455 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,239 Speaker 4: and it gets closer to when you got to get 456 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 4: up and you're still tired. 457 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 2: I hate it. But breaking it. 458 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 4: Down again, so education income goes down, the likelihood that 459 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 4: you're not gonna be able to sleep goes up. A 460 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 4: greater percentage of white adults had trouble staying asleep every 461 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 4: day in the last month then Hispanic, Black, or Asian. 462 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: Any idea why that is? My white guilt keeps me up. 463 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 5: I know, yep, yes, yeah, Robin DiAngelo really talks some 464 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 5: sense to me. And now I can't go to sleep 465 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 5: at night knowing that my ancestors one hundred and seventy 466 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 5: five years ago did bad stuff. 467 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 4: The crowd that has the least trouble, it would look 468 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 4: like from the statistics, is urban educated Asian people. Almost 469 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 4: nobody has trouble sleeping, getting to sleep, or staying asleep. 470 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 2: Wow, why that is? I have no idea. Tiger moms 471 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 2: their heads hit the pillow and they're out. 472 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, if you have any guests as to why that 473 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 4: is with the because in my mind, you go up 474 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 4: in income and education and people are like, go go 475 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 4: drinking coffee, high pressure. 476 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: But that's not doesn't fit in with the statistics. 477 00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 5: Okay, here's your hillbilly elegy analysis. We are heavily weighted 478 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 5: in semi rural to rural America with the former manufacturing 479 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 5: job on disability, drinking too much, taking drugs, smoking cigarettes, 480 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 5: crowd and their lifestyles just aren't conducive to get in sleep. 481 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 5: They're obese, they don't get enough exercise. That is weighted the. 482 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 4: Statistic is that the typical rural lifestyle at this point 483 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 4: that's not mean to experience. 484 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 2: But is that overwhelmed the statistics? 485 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 5: Now, well, yeah, that's I chose my words carefully as always. 486 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 5: I think that has weighted those statistics in that direction. 487 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's typical or not, but there 488 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 2: are a hell of a lot of. 489 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 4: People who do live like that. If you have less 490 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 4: than a high school diploma, one in six haven't been 491 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 4: able to get to sleep most days in the last 492 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 4: thirty days. 493 00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 2: So education going down? 494 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 4: Is that is that the stress of how do I 495 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 4: make a living or do you think that's because we've 496 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 4: always liked the statistic To make this point of what 497 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 4: is the statistic? 498 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: We like two out of three that's my favorite. People who. 499 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 4: People who divorce, who get divorced are more likely to smoke, 500 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,479 Speaker 4: or it's the other way around. People who smoke are 501 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 4: more likely to get divorced. Smoking doesn't cause divorce or 502 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 4: vice versa. But there's a lifestyle that goes with smoking generally, and. 503 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: So the way of lundering at life. 504 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 4: So what I'm wondering about the uh, the less than 505 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 4: a high school diploma, Are you more likely to like 506 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 4: drink red Bulls until ten o'clock at night and then 507 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 4: try to get to sleep? 508 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 2: Then if you have a college education, I don't know that. Yeah, 509 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 2: that's I think. 510 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, you've led us to the Promised Land, and well done, 511 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 5: I say. I think if you looked at a list 512 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 5: of say four or five or six, I don't study 513 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 5: this stuff, I don't know quote unquote sleep, disruptive habit 514 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 5: or activities. I think they would be more heavily on 515 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 5: the lower income end. 516 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 517 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 4: Scratchers. The scratchers keep you awake trying to figure out 518 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,479 Speaker 4: if you match three numbers. 519 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 2: I don't know. Bondo on your car, I don't know. 520 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 4: I don't know if you've got any idea why as 521 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 4: education goes down, sleep problems go up. Now I am 522 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 4: a college graduate in a suburban area. 523 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 2: I don't know. 524 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 4: I shouldn't be having to I don't know what the problem. 525 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 4: I do drink Red Bull all day long. No, I 526 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 4: actually can't drink that stuff. I don't know how anybody does. 527 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 4: My son and all his friends do. They love it, 528 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 4: and it's horrible. It's horrible. I limit him with disgusting 529 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 4: But and I don't I don't know. I might actually 530 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 4: have to see a doctor about this. 531 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 2: At this point. 532 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 4: It's become a crisis. It's a crisis in my life. 533 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 4: And I dread over the last several weeks. I dread 534 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 4: going to bed, even though I'm exhausted, just oh god, 535 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 4: I can't just lay there. 536 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 2: And then of course that adds to it. 537 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 4: It's like when you're worried about if you're worried about 538 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 4: your blood pressure, get your blood pressure checked. 539 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 2: Oh, tell me about it? Yeah, no kidding. 540 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 5: Yeah. 541 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 4: Somebody suggested the three ms magnesium, melatonin, and masturbation. 542 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 2: Oh boy, wow, what night after night to get and 543 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 2: stay asleep. 544 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 4: Exercise, physical exercise. Clearly get I get exercise. I'm not 545 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 4: doing anything different, That's what's crazy. None, no changes in 546 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 4: my life, just all of a sudden, can't sleep at all, 547 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 4: like hardly age man age. 548 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 2: I wonder if the bang bangs are getting to you? 549 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: Right? 550 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know the double meal eating for those 551 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 5: not familiar with the term. 552 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 6: I don't sleep great when I eat like crap sometimes, 553 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 6: so maybe I don't know. 554 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: Stop going to Wiener Snitzel. 555 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 5: He does eat like a bear having discovered an unlocked 556 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 5: door the Lake Tahoe cabin. 557 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 4: What did I have for dinner last night? Let's just 558 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 4: use like a random meal like last night. This is 559 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 4: science last night for dinner, quarter pounder with and a mcflury. 560 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 4: So there's nothing to Katie's theory whatsoever. 561 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 2: Clearly I'm just taking it up. Oh my god, who 562 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 2: eats like that? 563 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joe The Armstrong and Getty Show. Jack 564 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: Armstrong and Joe Getty, The Armstrong and Getty Show. 565 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 5: But anyways, speaking of Donald Jay, you know I see 566 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 5: him as like some of my favorite athletes through the years, 567 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 5: great strengths and great flaws. 568 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 2: That's fine, that's enough set. 569 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 5: But he gave an address at Alabama Roll Tide at 570 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 5: their graduation the other day in which he rolled out 571 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 5: ten thoughts about success that I found very very interesting, 572 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 5: and they explained a fair amount about Trump himself. First one, 573 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 5: success can happen at a young age, he said, in America, 574 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 5: with drive and ambition, young people can do anything. And 575 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 5: he cited some chapters of his own life. And I hear, yeah, 576 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 5: the dad was rich and gave him money. Yeah, that's true. 577 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 5: But he mentioned other American innovators like Steve Jobs, Walt Disney, 578 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 5: the founders who started off in their twenties. Don't waste 579 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 5: your youth, he said, get after love what you do. 580 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 5: He says, I rarely see somebody that's successful that doesn't 581 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 5: love what he or she does. Yeah, that's a mixed bag. 582 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 5: Let me get through it, then we can discuss. He 583 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 5: pointed to his father, Fred Trump, who died in ninety 584 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 5: nine at the age of ninety three. He was a 585 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 5: tough guy, tough as hell actually, or he worked seven 586 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 5: days a week, not because he had to, but because 587 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,959 Speaker 5: he enjoyed it. And Matthew count in any comments, Well, 588 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 5: it's hard for his critics to understand. Donald Trump and 589 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 5: his supporters enjoy politics a sense of fun, improvisation, and 590 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:55,479 Speaker 5: risk imbuse his rallies and campaigns. This is what the 591 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 5: Sean Duffy and the reforming air traffic control thing reminded 592 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 5: me of, because instead of saying, well, we've got to 593 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 5: protect the unions, and you know, the head of the FBAA, 594 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 5: he's got his turf and you know, we don't want 595 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 5: to rush into this blah blah blah blah, which has 596 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 5: yielded a system that still used the technology of the 597 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 5: nineteen nineties, even though it's one of the most important 598 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 5: things the government does. Think Big Trump said, it's just 599 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 5: as hard to solve a small problem as a big problem. 600 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 5: He finds the audacious more enticing than the incremental. He 601 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 5: leans toward the wildest visions. Winning the presidency despite no 602 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 5: military or government experience, for example, or being re elected 603 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 5: after impeachment, defeat, embarrassment, indictments, a criminal conviction and two 604 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 5: assassination attempts, Oh my god, rewriting the rules of American 605 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 5: government foreign policy, or the global trading system, or turning 606 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 5: the Gaza Strip into a luxury resort, or reopening Alcatraz Prison. 607 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 5: The list goes on, and some of it gets filed 608 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 5: away with the under the heading no, but some of 609 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 5: it is worth considering, And it's kind of cool that 610 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 5: someone would say it out loud. Yeah, we'd been in 611 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 5: these post WW two trade agreements for seventy years. 612 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 2: Why do we blow them up? What would happen? 613 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 5: He quotes the great Gary Player, South African pro golfer, 614 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 5: nine Major Champion Chip winner. He was one of those 615 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 5: guys who's fond of saying it's funny. The harder I work, 616 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 5: the luckier I get. 617 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. True. 618 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 5: Anyway, don't lose your momentum. I thought this was interesting. 619 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 5: The word momentum is very important. 620 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 2: Trump said. 621 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 5: He brought up William Leavitt, real estate developer who pioneered 622 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 5: the post WW two move to the suburbs in nineteen 623 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 5: seventy two. You remember Levitt Towns. That was an expression. Anyway, 624 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 5: Levitt sold his company to a large corporation. He was 625 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 5: never able to recapture his earlier success, and years later 626 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 5: Trump continued to encountered Levitt at a party, referring to 627 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 5: the say a Levitt told Trump, I shouldn't have done it. 628 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 5: I lost my momentum and the anecdotes right. The anecdote, rather, 629 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 5: writes Matthew Continenty, reveals why Trump operates at such high speeds. 630 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 5: Trump has been liking to the honey badger who doesn't 631 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 5: give up. His tenacity is related to a fear that's 632 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 5: slowing down means a loss of momentum and an end 633 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 5: to his career. 634 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 2: I love this be an outsider. 635 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 5: Progress never comes from those satisfied with the failures of 636 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 5: a broken system. 637 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 2: Trump said, Wow, one more time. 638 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 5: Progress never comes from those satisfied with the failures of 639 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 5: a broken system. The contrast with his political antithesis, Barack 640 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 5: Obama is stark, writes Continenty. Obama says progress is achieved 641 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 5: through bottom up community action within institutions. For Trump, progress 642 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 5: is the result of renegade individuals willing to break things. 643 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 5: That Trump approach is more effective, and he goes into 644 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 5: it a little bit. Trust your instincts. I have a 645 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 5: quibble with this. I won't get into I'd like to 646 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 5: rephrase it as trust your common sense. And Trump addressed 647 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 5: the kids at Alabama said Trump used the word instinct 648 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 5: as a synonym for common sense. 649 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 2: Borders are not racist, he said. Speech is not violence. 650 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 5: America is good and terrorists are bad. Men can never 651 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 5: become women. Police are not criminals, and criminals are not victims. 652 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 5: Police can be criminals. But that's about as clear as 653 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 5: a credo as you can get. 654 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 2: How does that get more attention? 655 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 5: Ah, because it probably makes so much sense, and the 656 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 5: media hated it. Believe in the American Dream. Last August, 657 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 5: Trump declared that the American dream was dead. He pledged 658 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,240 Speaker 5: to bring it back. Mission accomplished. The American Dream is real, 659 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 5: he said to the Alabamas. It's there, it's right before you. 660 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 2: Oh. Two more things. 661 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 5: Think positively, he said, to the youngsters and their parents 662 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 5: and friends. Don't consider yourself a victim, he said, consider 663 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 5: yourself a winner. He recommended one of his favorite books, 664 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 5: a classic, The Power of Positive Thinking by Norman Vincent Peel. 665 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 5: The teaching has your universal application. Whether you're born rich 666 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 5: or poort, black or white, male or female. In America, 667 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 5: anyone can be a winner and finally be an original. 668 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 5: And His list of American trailblazers went from Teddy Roosevelt 669 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 5: to Doug MacArthur, George Patton, Amelia Earhart, Annie Oakley, Muhammad Ali, 670 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,240 Speaker 5: all men and women of action, daredevil's risk takers, outside personalities. 671 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 2: FO He's capone, You're one of a kind. 672 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 5: Trump told the graduates, don't try to be someone else, 673 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 5: just be yourself, and finally, and most importantly concluded, never 674 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 5: ever give up. 675 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 2: Number eleven, Have a hot young wife. Number twelve, be 676 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 2: like Hitler because I'm the new Hitler. Unbelievable. So much 677 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 2: good there. 678 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 5: For all the legitimate criticisms, those are points worth considering 679 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 5: and teaching your kids. 680 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 4: When Democrat presidents speak to Harvard with the usual crap 681 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,359 Speaker 4: and gets you in the leads every newscast. I didn't 682 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 4: hear a word about it up Trump speech tow Alabama. 683 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,919 Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty The Armstrong and Getty Show.