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Speaker 1: E dot com. I don't know if listeners can appreciate
Speaker 1: the impact of Phil's setup. I think people are thinking
Speaker 1: I'm exaggerating when I said I didn't know twice now,
Speaker 1: this room is not big. How big this room was it?
Speaker 3: Twelve by twelve, it's about fourteen by fifteen.
Speaker 4: I think fourteen by fifteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's been two times I've been there's no
Speaker 1: internal walls, no curtains, And two times I've been in
Speaker 1: here and been startled by Phil's presence or.
Speaker 2: That he's not here, and he was actually, oh yeah.
Speaker 4: I got earlier.
Speaker 1: I was mad that he wasn't here at work, but
Speaker 1: he was back there behind his array.
Speaker 3: I gotta admit I kind of like it that way.
Speaker 3: I like being a little hidden.
Speaker 4: This is the third time I brought it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really it's really bugging yet, I stuck in
Speaker 3: your craw.
Speaker 5: Dude, I can't even see you if I try.
Speaker 3: You know, that's right, Well, the listeners can see me.
Speaker 1: We're kicking around, either putting little pictures of Phil where
Speaker 1: he would normally be or making an election. If there's
Speaker 1: any mirror specialists out there. I had an electrician there today.
Speaker 1: I asked me if I ever needed any electrical work,
Speaker 1: he'd be happy to do it. But he was in Texas.
Speaker 1: But if there's a mirror specialist in town that had
Speaker 1: could array, I guess it'd be one mirror that he's
Speaker 1: looking at, then that mirror blasts off the wall behind him,
Speaker 1: and then a mirror by the Muskox picks it up.
Speaker 1: Sounds like a lot of work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'd have to consider it from all angles too,
Speaker 3: So I think this room would be mostly mirrors at
Speaker 3: the end of the day.
Speaker 6: It would be like one of those things at like
Speaker 6: county fairs that you walk into and you run into
Speaker 6: the walls.
Speaker 1: Yeah. People that make action movies can't help but have
Speaker 1: shootouts in them.
Speaker 3: Which one's real?
Speaker 4: Uh Chester, what can you uh produce that your jig.
Speaker 1: And rap again. Oh yeah, yeah, Chester put me onto
Speaker 1: a phenomenal jig and rap bite last night.
Speaker 2: How phenomenal.
Speaker 1: We caught our limit of wally dogs, which is about
Speaker 1: four or five. Yeah, little shavers, great eaters eat yeah,
Speaker 1: perfect saying when walleye there's no such thing as small
Speaker 1: walleyes and big ones. There's eaters and biggins. It's like
Speaker 1: it's a win win eaters and biggins. But the givers, yeah,
Speaker 1: little shavers eaters. That is a lethal weapon.
Speaker 5: These things are is it really is.
Speaker 1: Like the odds of that wallye being just hooked in
Speaker 1: the lip are low.
Speaker 6: Well, the thing so these are are glide baits essentially,
Speaker 6: and any glide bait kind of has little wings on
Speaker 6: it and it's a very sporadic darter bait. So they go,
Speaker 6: oh yeah, all over and the fish cannot help. But
Speaker 6: like they're just like see something dart by their face
Speaker 6: and pop in the mud. They go and investigate it
Speaker 6: and like kind of they kind of like hop on
Speaker 6: top of it essentially, and then you go to do
Speaker 6: your your quick jig again and next thing, you know,
Speaker 6: when you're next thing, you know, you got one.
Speaker 1: I'd love to have a camera down there, see what's
Speaker 1: what's going on. Well, you know when I use now
Speaker 1: that I use so for link. When I used to
Speaker 1: use leadhead jigs with a big grub body on them,
Speaker 1: they can catch it, you know, and you get fewer.
Speaker 1: I've been onto like slow pitch and flutter jigs last
Speaker 1: couple of years. Man, they have a hard time catching it,
Speaker 1: like because he misses it.
Speaker 4: You'll feel him.
Speaker 1: He'll miss it.
Speaker 4: Bam, he'll miss it bam.
Speaker 1: Then he either gets bored or you hook him on
Speaker 1: the third or fourth time, or he gets like screw
Speaker 1: this and he just goes off looking for something easier
Speaker 1: to catch. But I think they can't grab it so
Speaker 1: to a.
Speaker 5: Rabbit, Yeah, it's unpredictable, but.
Speaker 1: They sure want to bite it. Yeah, you should could have,
Speaker 1: you shoulduld have. Uh what do you call me? A
Speaker 1: jiggen rap jiggen.
Speaker 5: Rap sponsor glide bait?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so mus.
Speaker 4: Just send Chester like a bunch of glide baits.
Speaker 1: You just get a mold because that's like a real cost.
Speaker 4: Chester.
Speaker 1: When he's doing the when he's doing his family finances,
Speaker 1: he's like tackle.
Speaker 7: Those are probably what eight eight bucks a pop too?
Speaker 2: Eight nine Bucks.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got that one for Chester because I lost
Speaker 2: one of his yesterday.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you, Brody. Are we gonna hang this in
Speaker 5: the podcast studio?
Speaker 4: No, you get it right, hag wrap.
Speaker 1: Down there, dude.
Speaker 6: We were talking about though, you need they need to
Speaker 6: make some of these for when you guys are up
Speaker 6: in Alaska at the fish shack.
Speaker 5: A big one for ling.
Speaker 2: Cod twelve ounce.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that. I was saying, Man, if you
Speaker 1: can get like a ten or twelve ounce jigging wrap,
Speaker 1: he would do two things.
Speaker 4: One, you'd snag.
Speaker 1: Everybody else like you'd be like, guys, I'm gonna fish
Speaker 1: lines out. I'm gonna fish for a.
Speaker 4: While, try myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, clear the anchor, and then uh, the other thing
Speaker 1: is is you Yeah, you'd get a lot of hits.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you gotta be you gotta be careful with them
Speaker 6: though they're dangerous. This is like the number one thing
Speaker 6: getting your fingers hooked right here. Oftentimes I'll clip off
Speaker 6: this front front hook here because rarely you do do
Speaker 6: you hook him on there? But anyways, chicken wrap, great bait.
Speaker 1: We'll come back to something else you got sitting there
Speaker 1: and on top about Okay, I'm holding Brodies. You can
Speaker 1: bring this all to Alaska. Yeah, tell about this your
Speaker 1: your priest here man that my dad made that.
Speaker 2: That's a homemade persuader, I think he called it.
Speaker 1: We used to call him the priest. Yeah, because it
Speaker 1: gives your last rite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, my dad made that. And and like
Speaker 2: the late I think I got the time frames roughly correct.
Speaker 2: But Lake Ear used to have a salmon fishery, like
Speaker 2: started sometime in the sixties and didn't last long, like
Speaker 2: a decade maybe a little longer. And my dad would
Speaker 2: troll for coho like on the beaches just between the
Speaker 2: He was in a canoe with a little two and
Speaker 2: a half foot Evan rude.
Speaker 1: He just really between the sandbars and stuff. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: he just catch a nice browns caught some people would
Speaker 1: catch nice browns, like the troll on the beach.
Speaker 2: He'd troll spoons and like bomber plugs and ship like that.
Speaker 2: And when he would catch one, he'd put a notch
Speaker 2: in that sucker.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you right now.
Speaker 8: Oh really, it's like rings in New York.
Speaker 9: Is that wood or is that is that a no?
Speaker 2: No, it's it's a steel.
Speaker 9: Rod under there.
Speaker 1: He got sixteen but that that, uh, it's satisfying. What's
Speaker 1: under there, steel.
Speaker 10: Rod, what's on the outside, it's like a baton.
Speaker 2: I don't know why you put that rubber coating on
Speaker 2: there so he could cut notches into it.
Speaker 6: Whenever Steve gets something like that in his hand, he
Speaker 6: just has his look.
Speaker 1: In his own Yeah, it's not his picture man like
Speaker 1: Brody like in trivia or something. I'm just.
Speaker 2: Yep, you're wrong, but that uh, that same and Fishery
Speaker 2: they changed their management for Lake Erie and went to Steelhead.
Speaker 2: They don't manage for salmon at all anymore. Yeah, Ohio
Speaker 2: and New York, Pennsylvania. Occasionally one shows up. I don't
Speaker 2: know where they're coming from, but yeah, that that thing
Speaker 2: didn't last long, you get it. They got like a
Speaker 2: six week season for those salmon at least like inland,
Speaker 2: you know, on the streams and beaches and stuff.
Speaker 4: But they're not stocking the piss out.
Speaker 2: It's a Steelhead game.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And some of the other areas in the Great Lakes,
Speaker 1: they've really started to emphasize the native lake trout right right,
Speaker 1: do it more around there's some of those around Lake
Speaker 1: trout recovery and not worrying so much about the Pacific send.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's all kinds of shit that. Like Lake Erie,
Speaker 2: I think you used to have a commercial whitefish fishery.
Speaker 2: Sure they don't anymore. They used to have a commercial
Speaker 2: walleye fishery.
Speaker 5: Still a fantastic walleye fishery.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. Yeah.
Speaker 10: Is it because people don't want whitefish or there are
Speaker 10: no white fish there?
Speaker 2: I think it has a lot to do with the
Speaker 2: pollution that they destroyed.
Speaker 1: I mean, in the eighteen hundreds, they destroyed the sturgeon fishery,
Speaker 1: they destroyed the white fish fishery. You know. One of
Speaker 1: the biggest things they did in the Great Lakes to
Speaker 1: ruin the fisheries in the Great Lakes, the original fisheries
Speaker 1: is when they were logging all that they would raft
Speaker 1: all that, they would raft all that, all those trees,
Speaker 1: all that white pine and stuff, they would raft it
Speaker 1: and the bark would come off. So in all the
Speaker 1: bays and estuaries and stream miles during that period just
Speaker 1: became covered and in some cases over twenty feet of
Speaker 1: bark and destroyed yeah deep oh yeah, destroyed spawning habitats.
Speaker 1: That was like one of many things. And he had,
Speaker 1: you know, the tan like at that time, the tanneries
Speaker 1: were horrible. Yeah, all kinds of pollution and some many
Speaker 1: of those fish, like the sturgeon and the white fish
Speaker 1: that were just very, very sensitive to any kind of disturbance.
Speaker 1: The food sources got all screwed up, and so they
Speaker 1: started just trying to backfill it with other stuff. So
Speaker 1: like when I was grew up in Lake Michigan, we
Speaker 1: had we had three of the five Pacific salmon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had pinks, pinks or humpies, kings or chinook silvers
Speaker 1: are co hos. I never heard of them doing dogs
Speaker 1: or chunk dog slash chum. I never heard of them
Speaker 1: doing sake. And then they up up the sky up
Speaker 1: in Uh. Sue Saint Marie worked for a long time
Speaker 1: on Atlantics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I Ontario to bring in the.
Speaker 1: One Atlantic salmon, and they would take these Atlantics. There's
Speaker 1: a thing. Uh. I lived up there for a short
Speaker 1: period of time and did a semester at school at
Speaker 1: Lakespeare State University, which reminds me of the Edmond Fitzgerald.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something about that. In a second
Speaker 1: up at Lake State University, that there's this thing called
Speaker 1: the Sue Edison hydro electric damn. And when water comes
Speaker 1: off Lake Superior, it drops about twenty three feet, I think,
Speaker 1: which forms the Sue Rapids. So Superior sits I think.
Speaker 1: I think it's twenty three feet higher than hereon. Okay,
Speaker 1: So the connection between Lake Superior and hereon, you know,
Speaker 1: and it eventually obviously goes out the Saint Lawrence Seaway,
Speaker 1: you know, out into the Atlantic. But that drops twenty
Speaker 1: three feet through the Sue Rapids into the Saint Mary's River,
Speaker 1: which is a very short river that then flows into Huron.
Speaker 1: And they used to peel water off of not used
Speaker 1: to they still they peel water off of the off
Speaker 1: of Lake Superior on top of the falls. Run it
Speaker 1: through town and this, like everybody calls it the power canal.
Speaker 1: Run it through town and then and then get gain
Speaker 1: that twenty three feet to drop right and blast it
Speaker 1: through this hydro electric facility which had I don't remember
Speaker 1: how many turbines, forty or fifty turbans or whatever.
Speaker 4: One of the first articles, the first article I ever
Speaker 4: sold for a chunk of change, was about fishing for
Speaker 4: whitefish and steelhead in the discharge canals.
Speaker 2: Not as far as they could get, like spotting.
Speaker 1: So many mayflies. It was real silty in there, and
Speaker 1: there'd be these huge mayfly hatches in that power canal.
Speaker 1: And so when the mayflies were hatching there, all that
Speaker 1: shit's going out that yeah, through that high through those
Speaker 1: turbines and shooting back out into Saint Mary's River. And
Speaker 1: so fish at the right time of year would just
Speaker 1: jam into all of these turbine outflows. And they're like
Speaker 1: these like it look similar to a underpass bridge, a cone,
Speaker 1: like a half colvert, a half round colvert, just big
Speaker 1: enough to pull a boat into. You could pull a
Speaker 1: skiff into the thing. And what I wrote my article
Speaker 1: bout was, uh, my brother Danny and our buddy DROs
Speaker 1: they pioneered this thing, and I just would go with
Speaker 1: them after they pioneered it. But they would on occasion
Speaker 1: leave the bar that close it because the good turbans
Speaker 1: were coveted, and they would leave the bar and just
Speaker 1: go and pull in there and sleep in there, and
Speaker 1: there's a there's the eyebolt sticking out of the top,
Speaker 1: and they would just tie off, and it's warm in there,
Speaker 1: and you're in the dam. There's probably no way they
Speaker 1: let you do it. And then old men who'd get
Speaker 1: up early to get the spot would get thwarted because
Speaker 1: there's college dudes up in there sleeping and half drunk.
Speaker 1: And then you just lower the rope back at daybreak
Speaker 1: and we would take it, would take, so we would
Speaker 1: the rig they would use. And again like they pioneered it,
Speaker 1: I just benefited from them pioneering this whole strategy. They
Speaker 1: would take a fly rod. You remember those, Remember that
Speaker 1: reel called the Martin multiplier. Remember to me to bring
Speaker 1: this background to Atlantic salmon. So there was a geared
Speaker 1: fly reel, so not one to one. You could take
Speaker 1: up some serious line with a Martin replyer reel. You
Speaker 1: follow me?
Speaker 4: What do you? What the hell you call it? You
Speaker 4: know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: Chester, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Like one crank on the handle is a bunch of
Speaker 4: revolutions on the spool?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not ringing a bell?
Speaker 1: What type it in?
Speaker 2: That's not what a center pin is. That's different, right.
Speaker 1: Type in Martin multiplier, that's what we called them. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we used to use the We used.
Speaker 4: To do all the salmon and steelhead stuff with these.
Speaker 2: These were you fishing like with a fly line.
Speaker 1: Or just no, hear me out, all right, so you
Speaker 1: would run remember that stuff called amnesia, yep, Okay, that
Speaker 1: hard mono you'd put backing on regular amount of backing,
Speaker 1: and then you'd put a bunch of amnesia on there.
Speaker 1: Okay whatever, forty fifty yards amnesia, then eight feet a whatever,
Speaker 1: twelve pound maxima and then a tip it depending. You
Speaker 1: might use four pound maximum, six pound maximum off that
Speaker 1: you put split shot where the heavy maximum met the
Speaker 1: light maxima, and then we just do you do like
Speaker 1: a little flies so for fishing this thing, and that's
Speaker 1: what we'd use for steelhead and salmon too, but for
Speaker 1: fishing this thing. And then you'd use a little fly
Speaker 1: tip with a maggot and with that amnies, you'd lay
Speaker 1: all that amnesia in the you'd get a bunch of
Speaker 1: amnesia laid in the on the bow of the boat,
Speaker 1: and you got that split shot on there, so you
Speaker 1: could like.
Speaker 4: You could shoot it way up into that culvert.
Speaker 2: How wide was that thing?
Speaker 4: How wide was the culvert?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be about the size of that wall right
Speaker 1: there all right.
Speaker 4: Hit me with the dimensions in this room again.
Speaker 1: Phil about fourteen by fifteen, so maybe like a twelve
Speaker 1: foot tube.
Speaker 2: Shoot it up into that dark tunnel.
Speaker 1: You take that line and with all that lead on there,
Speaker 1: you could just and shoot it perfectly right yeah, up
Speaker 1: in there, and then you'd get tight on it and
Speaker 1: you'd fall. It's the water's hauling ass out of there,
Speaker 1: but it'd fall, and you'd be able to stand there.
Speaker 4: You could stand there and look that water so strong,
Speaker 4: the current so strong coming out of your boats.
Speaker 1: You on your boat is in a fast current, boat
Speaker 1: swinging back and forth. And if it was a clear
Speaker 1: day with the right sun, you'd look down and see
Speaker 1: whitefish and steel head darting all around down in there.
Speaker 1: But you'd shoot it way up into the turbine in
Speaker 1: order to get down ten twelve, fourteen feet down, and
Speaker 1: you'd be hooking them right under your boots so.
Speaker 5: Much, and then when you hook one with all that current.
Speaker 4: Oh, they blast back behind you.
Speaker 2: Not exactly a purest fly fishing method, because the mag Yeah.
Speaker 6: Those are just multiplier reels, multiplier reels large like a
Speaker 6: large arbor multipliery.
Speaker 1: Yeh, God, it was fun.
Speaker 11: Man sounds, Steve, sounds like you need like a jiggen
Speaker 11: rap or something back then shrap.
Speaker 1: So the the university somehow the Sioux Edison Electric thing
Speaker 1: had gifted a couple of these turbans to Lake State
Speaker 1: University's fisheries program. Okay, And there was a guy there
Speaker 1: at that fisheries program who was dicking around with trying
Speaker 1: to introduce atlantics.
Speaker 2: That was back when they're still okay with introducing all
Speaker 2: kinds of crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: And he converted some of these hydro electric channels into
Speaker 1: rearing habitat because he's just running actual river water, right,
Speaker 1: He's running like high velocity river water through this thing.
Speaker 1: And you'd go in there and they'd take I watched
Speaker 1: or do it one time they take they take a
Speaker 1: bunch of row from a fish. I mean literally in
Speaker 1: a five gallon bucket. You got a bunch of fish
Speaker 1: eggs in a five gown bucket. You dump in like
Speaker 1: a scoop a seamen, stir it up with a paddle,
Speaker 1: and it's ready to go, yeah, fertilized. And so they
Speaker 1: had these raceways and they would rear these atlantics in
Speaker 1: these raceways. So we're talking like like I can't remember it.
Speaker 1: Let's say it was forty some of pulp picture pulp
Speaker 1: su Edison hydro electric dam. You can count the turbans.
Speaker 1: Let's say there's forty turbines the university owned, like turbine two, three, four,
Speaker 1: and he'd raise atlantics in one of these, in two
Speaker 1: of these turbues.
Speaker 2: How are they keeping them in there?
Speaker 1: That just because it was all retro fitted. It was
Speaker 1: like he was just using this spot where all this
Speaker 1: natural river water to come through. And I don't I
Speaker 1: can't remember how they break up, but it just looked
Speaker 1: like these little fish tray raceways. It had actual temperature
Speaker 1: controlled water coming through them. And he'd rear Atlantics in
Speaker 1: this thing. Okay, there's eight, like, no way more eight?
Speaker 5: Oh, here we go. Here it is.
Speaker 1: Chester report back in a second. Chrinis is what the
Speaker 1: whole show is about.
Speaker 4: So but hear me out.
Speaker 1: This is just gonna start getting interesting now it hasn't
Speaker 1: been yet, No, so check this out. So it was
Speaker 1: like turbine number I can't remember what it was. Let's
Speaker 1: let's say it was turbine number five was the Atlantic
Speaker 1: salmon raceway. Okay, he'd rear them in there until they
Speaker 1: were of whatever the hell size Atlantic salmon is when
Speaker 1: it goes back to the ocean.
Speaker 4: And then cut them loose right there.
Speaker 1: They Yeah, so you know how salmon returns to its
Speaker 1: natal spawning stream. These Atlantics had go out, okay and
Speaker 1: get big, get huge, and no sons of bitches would
Speaker 1: come back, and I'm not kidding you. To the raceway
Speaker 1: number five, they had to fence it off.
Speaker 4: Raceway number five would be stacked with giant Atlantics who
Speaker 4: were like, I'm.
Speaker 7: Home, anyone home?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not kiddy man, huge Atlantic salmon's. And then
Speaker 1: raceway would I say five, yeah, okay. Raceway four and
Speaker 1: six would have some like two or three, right, Raceway
Speaker 1: seven and three might have one, but they were in.
Speaker 1: They knew what that smelled like, and they were like there.
Speaker 1: And the reason they had to fence it off is
Speaker 1: because the Jibwe they had snagging rights, like the native
Speaker 1: tribe there had snagging rights, but they sort of felt
Speaker 1: like these Atlantics kind of fell outside and snagging right,
Speaker 1: So they had to fence it off so they couldn't
Speaker 1: cast a snag and hooking air and drag those Atlantics
Speaker 1: back out of there. That's what I was getting at, right.
Speaker 11: Mm hm.
Speaker 2: Great Lakes fisheries.
Speaker 4: Oh Brody's little beaten stick. It was a nice beating stick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Now to bring this full circle back to the Edmund
Speaker 1: fits oh when we're doing the when we're doing the
Speaker 1: book tour. I don't think Brody caught this because he
Speaker 1: was off bs of the trivia fans. But a guy
Speaker 1: comes up to me and he says, he's like, dude,
Speaker 1: what in the world is what the Edmund Fitzgerald thing?
Speaker 1: All the time?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't hear any of that.
Speaker 1: You wanted to complain about it, so I couldn't really
Speaker 1: explain it. He never even listened to the song. He's
Speaker 1: just filing a complaint.
Speaker 2: A lot of people come up to file complaints stuff.
Speaker 1: Uh, well, I told you. Were you here when I
Speaker 1: told you about what? Someone came up to me and
Speaker 1: talk about with Krin.
Speaker 10: I don't know put on for this that she Uh
Speaker 10: they thought she looked smart.
Speaker 1: They couldn't figure out why she did so bad at trivia,
Speaker 1: and they looked at her picture and it was especially
Speaker 1: confounding because she looks so smart.
Speaker 9: Uh smart and getting You know, it.
Speaker 6: Had eighty turbine chambers. Does that sound right? And only
Speaker 6: forty of which were used when the plant was operated?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that could be. That sounds about right now.
Speaker 5: I counted, but it was it was hard.
Speaker 1: I can't remember the numbers, But I think that we
Speaker 1: used to have a real affinity for like twenty four
Speaker 1: and twenty six or something like that, acause they were
Speaker 1: higher velocity for some reason. Dude, I wish I yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd like to go back there and hit that fishery.
Speaker 2: God, I was a lot of I was going to
Speaker 2: ask you if you know if it's still going on there.
Speaker 1: Dude, we were at Lake State, Man, we lived off
Speaker 1: the land. Seriously, me and my roommates. We ate four
Speaker 1: deer between.
Speaker 2: Air and white fish.
Speaker 4: We ate four deer.
Speaker 1: Between October one archery opener and Christmas break and hound.
Speaker 2: You get all that hunt and fishing done if you
Speaker 2: were in school.
Speaker 1: Just didn't take the school too seriously.
Speaker 4: That's why I transferred out.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 4: That's an old trick.
Speaker 1: People don't realize if you live in a state. If
Speaker 1: you live in a state like Michigan has this deal
Speaker 1: where if you bounce round, like I went to three colleges, right,
Speaker 1: if you bounce around, the other colleges will accept your
Speaker 1: credit hours, but they don't care about the GPA. So
Speaker 1: if you're in Michigan, this is a hot tip for
Speaker 1: michigan Anders. If you're in Michigan. Never start where you're
Speaker 1: gonna finish and your finishing school. How many credit hours
Speaker 1: is like a college degree?
Speaker 2: I think it's like no. I think it might be
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty.
Speaker 1: Say, they might dictate to you that they want you
Speaker 1: to wrap her up like they want you to get
Speaker 1: the final eighty or whatever.
Speaker 4: It is like a school. Like, let's say you wind
Speaker 4: up at MSU.
Speaker 2: Spencer's right, it's because it'd be eight times fifteen, roughly
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's say you're going to land at where
Speaker 1: where I landed at. I landed at Grand Valley State
Speaker 1: University just to close her out, Okay, Grand Valley State
Speaker 1: is going to dictate to you that they're like to
Speaker 1: get a degrief. Must you have to get your final
Speaker 1: X number of hours from I think I actually had
Speaker 1: to do more credit hours and was normal. I had
Speaker 1: to do like an extra few because I needed to
Speaker 1: hit their minimum requirement. You go to other schools, easy ones, and.
Speaker 2: When's where you can fish and hunt there hunt fishing.
Speaker 1: All you got to do is pass. Okay, serious, this
Speaker 1: is I'm not joking, this is true. All you have
Speaker 1: to do is.
Speaker 5: Pass, so your goal is definitely not to learn anything.
Speaker 1: No, all you have to do is pass.
Speaker 4: You go to where you want to go.
Speaker 1: Then you got to do good yep, and you get
Speaker 1: you leave with a fake gpa, You get a you
Speaker 1: graduate with a gpa that is not reflective of your
Speaker 1: college experience. It's only reflective of where you wrapped her up.
Speaker 1: So I wrapped her up at GVSU and I walked
Speaker 1: out of there was like a three six something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go mess around when you're taking all that jen
Speaker 2: ed shit. You're your freshman sophomore year.
Speaker 1: So I did two years of night classes at my
Speaker 1: local commut unity college. My first two years of college
Speaker 1: night classes, I didn't go down until six at night.
Speaker 2: Were you still living back in twin.
Speaker 1: I was trappeh trapped all day, hunted all day, whatever
Speaker 1: else had going on. Chop Firewood went to school at night,
Speaker 1: walked out of there, and I was in the same position.
Speaker 1: Is all these jokers that were working hard and in
Speaker 1: the end had a good GPA and got into good
Speaker 1: graduate program.
Speaker 2: Yeah I would have.
Speaker 5: I would have.
Speaker 6: I would have taken you for a little bit higher
Speaker 6: than a three six kind of guy.
Speaker 2: Three six is pretty much.
Speaker 5: That's pretty high.
Speaker 1: That's high man is great.
Speaker 10: I wasn't sure when that was going to turn into
Speaker 10: a hot tip. But it's a hot tip, No it is. Yeah,
Speaker 10: there's so MU should do a pamphlet. But you've got
Speaker 10: to remember how old I am. Like they might have changed,
Speaker 10: they might have figured this out and caught up to people.
Speaker 10: Did you use a common practice among my social circle?
Speaker 10: Did you brew your own beer in college too?
Speaker 1: But my my brother's brewed beer in high school?
Speaker 10: Did that work out for them?
Speaker 1: The problem they would have is it would get a
Speaker 1: quarter inch of white stuff on the bottom and it
Speaker 1: didn't matter. You'd have to open it so gradually and
Speaker 1: gently to not disturb the yeast, you know, like most
Speaker 1: parents like, you can't drink in high school for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: Like we weren't supposed to drink, but for every reason.
Speaker 1: If they like, they wouldn't make this beard. It was
Speaker 1: just my parents were fine with it. I thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting.
Speaker 10: I had buddies who got like beer making. Kids had
Speaker 10: garage sales and they had dollar signs in their eyes,
Speaker 10: like thinking of how far ahead we're gonna come. Yeah,
Speaker 10: they never never worked out. They never made a big man.
Speaker 1: No, God, I had some other thing I was gonna
Speaker 1: add in here, something about not being oh krint, I
Speaker 1: know we had a whole plan, but you got a
Speaker 1: talking point.
Speaker 4: I got to add one thing about fish priests.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then I'm done.
Speaker 9: This is exciting, though I can't wait fish priests.
Speaker 1: When I wasn't allowed to get bad grades in high school,
Speaker 1: like I had to get an A or B. If
Speaker 1: I got a's or b's, nothing bad happened to me.
Speaker 1: And in wood shop I got a bad grade because
Speaker 1: we had to do a lathe project.
Speaker 2: It seems unlike you woodshop.
Speaker 1: Well, because for the lathe project, I made a large
Speaker 1: wooden mallet.
Speaker 6: It's the it spins wood, then you use the tools,
Speaker 6: and so we had to laminate.
Speaker 1: We were supposed to laminate a stack of wood together
Speaker 1: and then lathe it into something cool. And I lathed
Speaker 1: mine into like a very coarse cylinder, drilled a hole
Speaker 1: in it and put a handle in it, so that
Speaker 1: I had a big, heavy wooden mallet. That I was
Speaker 1: saying it was like a fish priest. Got bad grade
Speaker 1: and my dad took me down to school to have
Speaker 1: a like arranged a little conference. I got a C minus.
Speaker 9: But that why would you get a bad grade for that.
Speaker 9: That's that doesn't seem.
Speaker 1: People were making really cool stuff. They're making lamp stands,
Speaker 1: and I made a blocker. I made an eight inch cylinder,
Speaker 1: and it was like, well, I made a Most guys
Speaker 1: were making cool stuff, or they were making their parents
Speaker 1: lamp stands.
Speaker 9: Okay.
Speaker 1: I I thought I've been drilling them out and warning them.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I use a handle.
Speaker 9: I thought that the teacher was being unfair and kind
Speaker 9: of judging you, not on your level of relative level
Speaker 9: of skill, but on the fact that you were making
Speaker 9: something used to you know, he.
Speaker 1: Thought I was being a smart ass, and he thought
Speaker 1: I was being a slacker, both of which are true.
Speaker 1: And I don't know.
Speaker 4: We just wanted to go back to sniff and wood glue.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Anyhow, Well, you got to tell us, what would your
Speaker 2: old man do?
Speaker 1: Oh? He was pissed and took me down, pissed at
Speaker 1: you were pissed at the pissed at me. I got
Speaker 1: you took me down and humiliated me in front of
Speaker 1: the teacher, and then I had to improve my grade.
Speaker 1: Would you remember what I made? After that? He was
Speaker 1: he was not happy, and my dad was big woodwork
Speaker 1: or so kind of stunn you know. Yeah, it'd be
Speaker 1: like one of my kids got a bad grade and hunting.
Speaker 1: Should I skip this thing about the Edmond Fitzgerald, I'll
Speaker 1: put it.
Speaker 4: I'll say this.
Speaker 1: You know when David Grant was on and he said
Speaker 1: all those things that have a maritime back, that was
Speaker 1: so interesting, under the weather, under the ah, three sheets
Speaker 1: to the wind.
Speaker 9: It's like one more good one that we say all
Speaker 9: the time. We have no idea what.
Speaker 12: I forgot.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to get Dan pressed.
Speaker 4: Okay, whole pilum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's underwriter, an insurance underwriter.
Speaker 10: I just I just googled marry time or nautical phrases.
Speaker 10: Pipe down one of them, batting down the hatches, dry,
Speaker 10: scuttle butt, threw thick and thin, smooth sailing, seems obvious. Yeah,
Speaker 10: down the hatch.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, you're saying a lot of them, aren't that interesting?
Speaker 10: It was, you know, it was interesting to listen to
Speaker 10: you struggle to come up with that.
Speaker 4: You felt that was more interesting.
Speaker 1: Hear me, hear me, do not say he broke. I know,
Speaker 1: I was having a great moment. I was having a
Speaker 1: great hosting moment, and the Spencer came in and ruined it.
Speaker 1: Underwriting is a maritime insurance thing. Like in the old
Speaker 1: days they would, uh, it's kind of interesting. So he
Speaker 1: so the connection Edvan Fitzgerald, and this is the last
Speaker 1: note on the Edmond fits the boat was that the
Speaker 1: boat was actually owned by an insurance company. It was
Speaker 1: owned by Northwestern Mutual Insurance Company out of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: The company had invested a lot of their earnings in
Speaker 1: iron ore and mineral mining. The Edmund Fitzgerald was just
Speaker 1: the CEO of Northwestern Mutual when they built the ship.
Speaker 1: Had no idea that that is not cool. That's like
Speaker 1: in the old days. In the old days, you would
Speaker 1: it was okay for you to name birds and animals
Speaker 1: after yourself. That's considered not cool anymore. What's his name,
Speaker 1: barn No.
Speaker 2: Stellar Stellar. He's got all kind parents.
Speaker 1: Stellar Stellar's like I'll take that Ja, I'll take that
Speaker 1: sea lion or whatever. Lewis everything you saw, yeah, Lewis.
Speaker 1: And now it's it's uncool. You don't name stuff after
Speaker 1: yourself anymore. There's a movement now to give things names
Speaker 1: from indigenous people's indigenous language.
Speaker 10: It also seems fashionable and name things after other people though,
Speaker 10: Like Edinburgh has a lot of things named after him
Speaker 10: that he didn't discover.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's I think that's that's okay.
Speaker 1: Uh, because you're paying you're like paying homage, You're paying
Speaker 1: amage homage. This guy, he's like, I got a great
Speaker 1: name for the boat.
Speaker 6: He helped bring baseball back to Milwaukee, is what I'm
Speaker 6: reading too.
Speaker 8: In your head?
Speaker 10: Who was Edmund Fitzgerald before you learned this? Never thought
Speaker 10: about it like a war captain.
Speaker 1: That never was to me. Uh. They used to be
Speaker 1: able to publicly, you would publicly sell insurance on cargoes
Speaker 1: and vessels. An underwriter was just someone that would write there,
Speaker 1: literally write their name under the post looking for insurers.
Speaker 9: That is pretty interesting.
Speaker 10: Uh Oh remember how I was saying, Well, I feel
Speaker 10: like if this happened today, it'd be a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2: No, certainly, like.
Speaker 10: An insurance company guy named it after himself to get
Speaker 10: famous when it sank.
Speaker 1: Couldn't happen. You know. One of my favorite movies, I
Speaker 1: don't like the book, but I like the movie that
Speaker 1: doesn't happen very often is Inherent Vice. And there's a
Speaker 1: prominent character and Inherent Vice, played by Benicio del Toro
Speaker 1: is a maritime lawyer and inherent vice, so it's a
Speaker 1: Thomas Pinchon novel. Inherent Vice in maritime insurance is all
Speaker 1: the things that one can't control, like shipping on the seas,
Speaker 1: there's inherent vice. Things rot, things get wet. Whatever. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know when you see like act of God stuff.
Speaker 1: Inherent vice is just stuff's gonna happen to the cargo.
Speaker 4: Two pieces that came out from so does.
Speaker 1: We've had a podcast guest on I believe maybe a
Speaker 1: couple times at our Neett who used to be the
Speaker 1: chief scientist that Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership and he left.
Speaker 4: He rsp on great terms.
Speaker 1: Because he got to go and be the CEO of
Speaker 1: the Wildlife Society. And the Wildlife Society funds and orchestrates.
Speaker 1: They might be screwing this up. Someone looked that up.
Speaker 1: What do they call their mission statement? They fund an
Speaker 1: orchestrate wildlife research.
Speaker 9: Spencer's got it.
Speaker 7: Best, Typer.
Speaker 1: What is the Wildlife Society's mission statement?
Speaker 10: Our mission is to inspire, empower and enable wildlife professionals.
Speaker 10: Starts with giving you the resources to succeed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. So they published a lot of
Speaker 1: new wildlife research coming out and there's two that ed
Speaker 1: passed aloandis recently one. I had caught one of this,
Speaker 1: but this this is like a month old now or so.
Speaker 1: Florida just became the latest state to have for them
Speaker 1: to have found c w D in Florida.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 1: And you know the odds that you found the first
Speaker 1: deer that shows you know, you're right, it could have
Speaker 1: been could have been there for years. They just found it,
Speaker 1: you know, with enough testing they found a deer with
Speaker 1: c w D. So Florida is now the that's a
Speaker 1: good question for you. Spencer, is now the blank state
Speaker 1: to have c w D.
Speaker 2: I'm guessing it's got to be high thirties or say forty.
Speaker 1: That would be a good tributa question. Why don't you
Speaker 1: find the answer to that, Spencer?
Speaker 9: And it was because a roadway accident of vehicular Is
Speaker 9: that where the.
Speaker 1: Deer came from?
Speaker 4: Testing roadkill?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 6: Yes, huh, because hunters probably don't really get him tested
Speaker 6: too much.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean there's a massive amounts of there's
Speaker 1: no way that I bet you anything.
Speaker 4: There's more hunter tested.
Speaker 1: I don't know this for a fact, but I bet
Speaker 1: you there's more hunter tested deer than roadkill test the
Speaker 1: deer in Florida. Oh, Florida. I don't know. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm just saying Florida in a super populated state like that.
Speaker 9: This was the white tailed deer had been struck by
Speaker 9: a vehicle in Holmes County, and Florida Fish and Wildlife
Speaker 9: Conservation Commission confirmed the presence of chronic wasting disease in
Speaker 9: this wild deer that was killed on the highway.
Speaker 10: This this says thirty one US states and four Canadian provinces.
Speaker 10: That's as of June sixteen, twenty twenty three. From the USGS.
Speaker 1: Alaska and Hawaii will obviously be the holdouts.
Speaker 2: We're talking to. That guy on the book Toy said,
Speaker 2: Utah hasn't had any yet is a surprise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's the current.
Speaker 2: What's there?
Speaker 8: This map shows Utah is full of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, with current regular under current guidelines and the
Speaker 1: way they're handling it right now, in the way that
Speaker 1: the USDA is looking at deer breeders and stuff. It's
Speaker 1: everybody will have it except for Hawaiian except for Hawaii.
Speaker 4: In Alaska, and Alaska's.
Speaker 1: Getting you know, they get muledier coming into Alaska now
Speaker 1: and then and it's shoot on site for meal to Alaska. Uh.
Speaker 4: Another one.
Speaker 1: And we've talked about this a bunch but and I
Speaker 1: haven't really looked into this, but sometimes you'll live in
Speaker 1: a state and there might not be any wild pigs
Speaker 1: in your state, or there might be a few wild
Speaker 1: pigs in your state, and they will all of a
Speaker 1: sudden say it's illegal to hunt wild pigs. And you'd
Speaker 1: say to yourself, well, that seems stupid. If we're trying
Speaker 1: to get rid of wild pigs, why would it be
Speaker 1: illegal to kill wild pigs. What's motivating that legislation is
Speaker 1: they realize that the like what is caught not not CWD?
Speaker 1: Here talk about another thing that spreads Hunters spread wild Yeah,
Speaker 1: pig enthusiasts, enthusiasts.
Speaker 6: It's weird when you go down to some of those places,
Speaker 6: you know, down in like Texas and in Florida, because
Speaker 6: they'd be people would be like, I kind of you know,
Speaker 6: I want you to get all the pigs off my property.
Speaker 6: But then they're also like they like like having them around. Oh,
Speaker 6: you know, there's like this weird vibe there.
Speaker 1: It's a hobby of mine. Is I like to ask
Speaker 1: landowners who complain about pigs if they could too. There's
Speaker 1: two questions. I'm like, if you could make it wave
Speaker 1: a magic wand and they just would be gone. I've
Speaker 1: never met someone that said yes there. I was like, wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: not all of them, Yeah, because they know people like
Speaker 1: to eat them. Yeah, people like to eat them. And
Speaker 1: the other thing is, and you always bring this up
Speaker 1: to people, is like Cal was telling a landowner Hawaii
Speaker 1: this they're talking about complaining about the pigs, and Cal said,
Speaker 1: I know how you can get rid of all these pigs.
Speaker 1: Put up a big sign that says please hunt this
Speaker 1: property for sure. And the person said, you know what
Speaker 1: kind of people we'd get on this property if we
Speaker 1: did that, to which Kel said, barbecuers. Uh tails, I
Speaker 1: talking about the pigs.
Speaker 4: Oh, so there's this.
Speaker 1: There's this also this thing in a wildlife society article,
Speaker 1: like a like a journal article that state that that
Speaker 1: there's that this article is arguing that states that are
Speaker 1: being strict around strict around not being able to move
Speaker 1: wild hogs, not being able to hunt wild hogs, right
Speaker 1: like very lined in the sand about wild hogs are
Speaker 1: slowing the spread more than states that are facilitating the
Speaker 1: hunting of wild hogs.
Speaker 2: Makes sense that it's effective.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and whenever look, you know Missouri. I remember being
Speaker 1: in Missouri where they were like like I can't. I
Speaker 1: was talking to a wild hog expert and he was like,
Speaker 1: they were categorically that's how they're there. They're there from
Speaker 1: people that go down south and they like hunting hogs,
Speaker 1: and why not have them closer to home.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We talked the today about when we uh when we
Speaker 1: had that zeb zeb Hogan. We're talking about fish that
Speaker 1: are tolerant. We spent a lot of time on fish
Speaker 1: that can handle fresh an, salt water or not. And
Speaker 1: we were talking about the spread of northern pike out
Speaker 1: of the siouxsitting a drainage where they were introduced by
Speaker 1: someone that likes to fish northerns and how from that
Speaker 1: drainage are then bouncing to other drainages by just swimming
Speaker 1: out into salt water and coming back going these fish
Speaker 1: And they can see it when they take these fish
Speaker 1: out of these other systems. They can look at the
Speaker 1: stable isotopes and they can see where that fish was.
Speaker 1: That fish has marine stable isotopes where that fish was
Speaker 1: spending time in the ocean and then shot up a
Speaker 1: different river system.
Speaker 4: That's an they're spreading through the ocean.
Speaker 5: Really, I wonder how long they can. I've got a
Speaker 5: lot of questions.
Speaker 1: Now his ask gets washed out or whatever, I don't know,
Speaker 1: goes on a tour and he's like, I gotta get
Speaker 1: out of here, I don't know, and find some stream
Speaker 1: and shoots up it and then finds a boy or
Speaker 1: girl to make love to.
Speaker 2: Well the pit it's illegal to hunt him here, right, Pigs.
Speaker 1: And mont the band hog hunt them Montana.
Speaker 2: I think they might have, but I want to know,
Speaker 2: Like I'd love to talk to someone from FWP to know,
Speaker 2: like if they feel like it's a serious threat from Canada.
Speaker 1: They branded it, what do they call him? Northern super
Speaker 1: hard right right?
Speaker 2: I want to know if it's like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, you know what?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 1: We covered that and I get all I spent all
Speaker 1: this time, my kids all worked up about Canadian super
Speaker 1: hawks Like it's I say some So listen, there's the
Speaker 1: old kind of hog. Does the whole world over? Any
Speaker 1: pig year eight, any piece of bacon you ever ate,
Speaker 1: anyone you ever talked to hunting wild hogs in America.
Speaker 2: Same thing.
Speaker 1: It's sus scrafa. It's it's that's okay.
Speaker 2: The only thing that can take down those Canadian superhogs
Speaker 2: is a Canadian super wolf.
Speaker 1: Yep. So it's suscraffa. Yeah, and he's all worked up
Speaker 1: about Canadian super hogs. And I realized that on our
Speaker 1: own website when we covered that group, that population of
Speaker 1: hogs that are north of Montana, the best Canadian super hogs.
Speaker 5: It's what a great name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the Wisconsin super sou and Canadian superhogs.
Speaker 4: But it's it's it can be.
Speaker 1: They're demonstrating here that that those regulations which strike you
Speaker 1: as being so counterintuitive, if you don't.
Speaker 4: Want hogs, why would we not hunt.
Speaker 1: Them, that it's actually effective in preventing the introduction of hogs.
Speaker 6: I mean those outfitters and stuff down and axis, they
Speaker 6: make some a serious living, you know, making sure they
Speaker 6: have hogs on their properties.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 6: I mean it's got it. They've got to be moved
Speaker 6: around and trapped. And I bet you some of those
Speaker 6: guys buy hogs. You know, if they're starting to get low.
Speaker 6: It wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 4: Brandon Butler.
Speaker 1: When we were hunting in Missouri for turks, he took
Speaker 1: me out and showed me like sort of wildcat hog traps.
Speaker 1: The dudes are just going out in the woods to
Speaker 1: construct from catching their own hogs in areas that have
Speaker 1: them so they could bring them to bring them to
Speaker 1: places that don't.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 1: Quick correction, A couple of corrections. So you know, we
Speaker 1: always point out that doctor Randall is the only doctor
Speaker 1: that works at this company.
Speaker 2: That's who are we leaving out.
Speaker 1: Well, Jordan Siller's like kind of quietly snuck in with
Speaker 1: a PhD. Does have time to be getting a PhD.
Speaker 1: I to get one of those. I need to figure
Speaker 1: out how to get one. What's his pH d in?
Speaker 9: It's in English? So, speaking of our Meat Eater website,
Speaker 9: he I don't know if he was the person who
Speaker 9: wrote that article on the super hogs.
Speaker 2: What's shaking your head about?
Speaker 13: Okay, because it's like, dud, Jordan, It's like, that's cool.
Speaker 1: It's not philosophy, and I have a I have an
Speaker 1: advanced I'll point out I have the.
Speaker 4: Old you know, I just don't have a pH d.
Speaker 1: So on our episode Glassing for sheds, which is quite
Speaker 1: a while ago now when we had bed Ben Detamantian,
Speaker 1: we were talking about can you say strewed.
Speaker 9: And that was in the context of of a of
Speaker 9: antlers and uh shed antler piles being found found by
Speaker 9: like seas not found seized by and then cut up
Speaker 9: like dog treats and thrown across or scattered across.
Speaker 1: Hear me out, so as Crena said, so a guy
Speaker 1: got bosted for hunting sheds ahead of time before an
Speaker 1: area was and he'd even cut some up. So down
Speaker 1: in Wyoming, they just go back out and they scatter
Speaker 1: him about so people can rEFInd.
Speaker 4: Him the cut up ones, even the cut up.
Speaker 11: You're finding, which I was pointing out.
Speaker 1: It was a little bit like like Easter egg hunt, right,
Speaker 1: you know, like someone just was touching that egg earlier today,
Speaker 1: so uh do you know.
Speaker 4: Right they're chili me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great, can't got your tongue.
Speaker 4: You guys are pull that mic up close.
Speaker 8: You guys are just talking having grand all the time.
Speaker 1: So I said that they went and strewed him about
Speaker 1: the landscape, and I thought that can't be a word
Speaker 1: and our and this is coming from an actual pH
Speaker 1: D in English, in English of all things.
Speaker 4: So he would your PhD be in I don't think
Speaker 4: you can get.
Speaker 10: A PhD in what I studied, Okay, but if you
Speaker 10: were going to get a PhD, definitely not would work.
Speaker 1: Oh if I was going to go now, I would
Speaker 1: pursue a pH d in American history?
Speaker 9: Or would you go to law school?
Speaker 4: Well, no, that's a whole different deal.
Speaker 9: They're not, you know, the whole ticket in raffle.
Speaker 1: To study sleep, steaks, and an expert on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would love to be.
Speaker 1: A world expert, world expert on sweep stakes and raffle man.
Speaker 1: It comes from the Old English Struian ustre Oian, meaning
Speaker 1: to scatter. I think the reason it sounds weird is
Speaker 1: because it seems to be used most commonly as the
Speaker 1: past participle strewn. That's right. Past participles are words formed
Speaker 1: from verbs that can be used as an adjective to
Speaker 1: form perfect verb.
Speaker 2: Tenses, as in, they were strewn across the.
Speaker 1: Land and to form the passive voice, which your English
Speaker 1: teachers will be out of you eventually. So people would
Speaker 1: usually use the passive voice. The sheds were strewn, were
Speaker 1: strewn on the landscape, as opposed to the active wildlife
Speaker 1: officials strewed the shed on the landscape.
Speaker 2: Can you say it? Look at those guys strewing antlers?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all right.
Speaker 4: We recently had an episode called The Guru Comes Up
Speaker 4: for Air? Is that crarect?
Speaker 1: Oh right there? Episode four or fifty two The Guru
Speaker 1: Comes Up for Air, in which we interviewed a formal apostle,
Speaker 1: a former apostle of the Health Guru, wim Hoff, who
Speaker 1: has strayed from the orthodoxy, to question some of his
Speaker 1: judgment and character. In this we got to talk about
Speaker 1: shallow water blackouts and yeah, I don't think he wasn't
Speaker 1: familiar with shadow water blackout.
Speaker 9: I think perhaps he's familiar. Yeah, go ahead, Brody.
Speaker 2: Well, it felt like you were talking about one thing
Speaker 2: and he was talking because he said he mentioned shallow
Speaker 2: water blackout. But it was like, I felt like, you
Speaker 2: guys are talking about two different things.
Speaker 9: And I feel like we weren't. We weren't totally clear
Speaker 9: as to why I was called.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: I was like, my understanding, I told him, my understanding
Speaker 1: is that maybe I'm wrong. My understanding is that people
Speaker 1: tend to black out by the surface and that's where
Speaker 1: why shallow water blackout? But I didn't really know, so
Speaker 1: a lot of people wrote in. Greg Fonce wrote in
Speaker 1: about this. It's called shallow water blackout, but I'm using
Speaker 1: this one because it's so it's so perfect the connection
Speaker 1: to watch this. Remember how we were talking about sus
Speaker 1: Saint Marie earlier. I do well, A Navy seal wrote
Speaker 1: in to offer a correction, points out, I was born
Speaker 1: and raised in Sus Saint Marie, Michigan, Wow, and grew
Speaker 1: up two blocks from Lake State University, active duty seal.
Speaker 1: He teaches UH seal medics dive medicine. Okay, so he
Speaker 1: teaches future seal medics dive medicine, which is why he
Speaker 1: wants to put so highly credentialed. Here's why free divers
Speaker 1: and others dive. Here's why when they black out, they
Speaker 1: blackout at the surface. This will tickle your fancy. I
Speaker 1: could do the short and palatable, or I could do
Speaker 1: long and boring. He gives the option, Let's go with
Speaker 1: long and boring. He starts out by saying the pathophysiology
Speaker 1: is long and drawn out. Okay, follow me. The pressure
Speaker 1: at depth pushes blood from the thoracic cavity to the
Speaker 1: peripheral space like the brain, because the lungs aren't taking
Speaker 1: up much volume.
Speaker 4: Smaller lungs use less blood.
Speaker 1: So you have air and under pressure, right that it
Speaker 1: shrinks your lungs squeeze in it.
Speaker 6: That's why like trachia squeezes, lung squeezes like an issue
Speaker 6: people can get when they're diving at depth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll point out here he doesn't have this
Speaker 1: in there. But I'll point out you can't compress You
Speaker 1: can pressurize water, but you can't compress water. Like no
Speaker 1: matter how much pressure you put on water, you don't
Speaker 1: make it smaller, right, you know it doesn't. It's still
Speaker 1: volume wise, it still takes up the same volume air
Speaker 1: under pressure, you can pressurize air, it takes up less volume.
Speaker 1: So when you dive down, and they talk about atmospheres,
Speaker 1: so it's like thirty feet, sixty feet, ninety feet correlates
Speaker 1: to these these different atmospheres at which pressure becomes noticeably different.
Speaker 1: So when you go down, your lungs shrink because you're
Speaker 1: full of air. You went down on a full breath hold.
Speaker 1: Like I mentioned when I was teaching my boy how
Speaker 1: to hold his breath I'll say, imagine filling your ball
Speaker 1: sack with air. You're feeling your breathe so deep, you're
Speaker 1: feeling your testicles there.
Speaker 10: Could he imagine that he laughed okay, and.
Speaker 9: Then the air came out, and then he lost all
Speaker 9: his air.
Speaker 1: You're breathing that deep, but you go down and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's pushing less.
Speaker 4: So he's saying that when this happens, blood.
Speaker 1: Is moving out of there all right, and the increase
Speaker 1: in blood being pushed to the brain, So more blood
Speaker 1: is shoved to your brain, which compensates for the lower
Speaker 1: arterial oxen saturation that occurs when your body metabolizes the
Speaker 1: oxygen deering your breath hold. So you're got a big
Speaker 1: bunch of air and all that blood goes in and
Speaker 1: the blood's going somewhere, so you're sending more oxygenated blood
Speaker 1: goes to your brain, right, which helps compensate for the
Speaker 1: fact that you're not breathing now now the ascent you're ascending.
Speaker 1: When you ascend, if you were so borderlined, that the
Speaker 1: only thing keeping your oxygen saturation in an acceptable range
Speaker 1: for consciousness generally twenty five to twenty mmhg's whatever the hell.
Speaker 4: That means, all of.
Speaker 1: A sudden, your lungs, as you knew the surface, your
Speaker 1: lungs fully expand.
Speaker 6: And it pulls that blood out from your your noggin.
Speaker 4: That extra blood that was hanging out up there.
Speaker 1: Your lungs go because now, like the whole thing with
Speaker 1: the Benz, right now, your lungs are well, the bends different.
Speaker 1: That's breathing on a tank, not the Benz. Your lungs
Speaker 1: are going back to normal. His noise they're making, right,
Speaker 1: Did you get that fill?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 8: Thanks.
Speaker 1: Uh sucks the blood out of your head and then
Speaker 1: you pass out, and you pass out. He goes on
Speaker 1: to say his name is Smooch who wrote in He
Speaker 1: goes on to say snobs would call this ascent blackout,
Speaker 1: but not me, no way.
Speaker 9: And m M HG HG is mercury on the periodic table,
Speaker 9: and mm is millimeter and a millimeter of mercury is
Speaker 9: a menometric unit of pressure.
Speaker 1: Got it? That clarifies things for me.
Speaker 6: It's a it's a weird it's a weird thing that
Speaker 6: shallow water blackout because you can just be feeling pretty
Speaker 6: good and fine and then the next thing you know,
Speaker 6: someone's unconscious.
Speaker 1: I haven't done it yet. Well yeah, but I mean
Speaker 1: I know so many people that have and they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't they one minute, the way they describe it,
Speaker 1: one minut they're swimming up toward the surface and the
Speaker 1: next minute someone's blown across their face at the surface
Speaker 1: and they're trying to figure out what the hell happen.
Speaker 1: No panic, so feasibly it would be a painless way
Speaker 1: to die.
Speaker 8: Did you say that you did it or you were
Speaker 8: close to do it?
Speaker 1: I've never shallow water, I've never done it.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 1: There's a thing called the Samba two that that free
Speaker 1: divers talk about.
Speaker 4: And that's break.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you break the surface and then you like not
Speaker 1: beneath surface. You break the surface and you get woozy
Speaker 1: and tippy at the surface. They'll say you sambaed, meaning
Speaker 1: you kind of like had a little bit of a
Speaker 1: you kind of passed out a little teeny bit once
Speaker 1: you broke surface. But in shallow water black ou Let's
Speaker 1: say you black out three feet shot of the surface
Speaker 1: and stop kicking and you're underwater. Yeah, so you have
Speaker 1: a mamillion you have that mi million dive reflex, so
Speaker 1: you don't breathe, right, away, you sink and don't do anything,
Speaker 1: and eventually whatever amount of energy it requires to have
Speaker 1: the MA million dive reflex activated, that subsides and then
Speaker 1: you take your death breath.
Speaker 9: But then you're taking your death breath of water, basically.
Speaker 14: Don't They usually say that's like typically about two minutes
Speaker 14: before that happens.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know, I never heard.
Speaker 14: I've heard, I've heard, and I'll probably get corrected. But yeah,
Speaker 14: like when you pass out, you have ballpark about two
Speaker 14: minutes before you take that, oh, death breath. I don't know,
Speaker 14: someone can maybe look that up and see. But that's
Speaker 14: what I was always to know.
Speaker 1: That, so I would. I mean, that's not surprising to me.
Speaker 1: It's not thirty minutes.
Speaker 14: Right, Yeah, But like they said, if somebody passes out
Speaker 14: in the water, you have about two minutes.
Speaker 1: Before like to find it its lights out. So yeah,
Speaker 1: and this is a big part of why, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the serious spear fishermen that are being safe. We'll always
Speaker 1: practice one guy on surface, one guy down, one guy
Speaker 1: on surface, one guy down, and so the guy on
Speaker 1: surface is presumably paying attention to hey, he should.
Speaker 8: Have he shouldn't be floating.
Speaker 1: He should be up here and you go down to
Speaker 1: hunt him down.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do some diving this weekend.
Speaker 1: Are you. We're at.
Speaker 5: A lake in the ocean lake in Montana taking.
Speaker 2: A spear, nice.
Speaker 1: Chili. Can can you explain this? Can you explain that pistol?
Speaker 1: And then we're gonna hang that in the new studio?
Speaker 8: Well do you want like the history of it or
Speaker 8: like the story how I got it?
Speaker 9: Both?
Speaker 1: Both? All right?
Speaker 8: So not a very interesting interesting story how we got it.
Speaker 14: My dad got it from a work call league back
Speaker 14: in the day that's had a I mean I think
Speaker 14: she had this and like an old fifty cow flint
Speaker 14: lock and gave the flint lock rifle to somebody else
Speaker 14: and then gave this to my dad and then it's
Speaker 14: just been hanging up in our house for the entirety
Speaker 14: of my life, and then passed it on down to
Speaker 14: me and my brother and then But so it's a
Speaker 14: it's a if you want to.
Speaker 1: Look at it, oh man, Yeah, damn, get it towards
Speaker 1: the camera.
Speaker 4: No trigger guard back then?
Speaker 8: Huh no, No, And I'd actually love you pulled that
Speaker 8: thing out of there? No you want to?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to break the back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to break it to get in there.
Speaker 8: I don't think the case came with the gun, So.
Speaker 9: You can break it with your palth.
Speaker 8: We can busted up like a pick of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't need to do that. That's pretty sweet though. Yeah.
Speaker 14: So it's a it's a thirty two caliber rim fire.
Speaker 14: It's an old Civil War era pistol. They made them
Speaker 14: from six eighteen sixty one to eighteen seventy four. There's
Speaker 14: roughly about seventy seven thousand of them made a man
Speaker 14: roughly seventy seven thousand, and it feels like that.
Speaker 1: I would have guessed ten.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, No, they mass produced for sure.
Speaker 14: They also think that the first thirty five thousand in
Speaker 14: production had a very good chance of actually being in
Speaker 14: the Civil.
Speaker 4: War, so it would have been issued to soldiers.
Speaker 8: Correct, it was ago. I won't read this whole thing,
Speaker 8: but again, I think.
Speaker 1: ReBs, I think, I think again, my people weren't here yet,
Speaker 1: so I don't need to worry about that gun having
Speaker 1: felled one of my people.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we were Midwest.
Speaker 14: It's not so they probably failed your people probably probably.
Speaker 8: Um.
Speaker 14: Yeah, So they say that first thirty thirty five thousand
Speaker 14: probably were in the war, and then It goes on
Speaker 14: to say, so all the serial numbers are on it.
Speaker 14: This is on the hilt I think it's called the
Speaker 14: hilt of the handle, right on the bottom side of
Speaker 14: the pistol grip.
Speaker 4: Oh, that piece of metal that runs that the plate's going.
Speaker 14: To Yeah, I can't remember what it was, but it
Speaker 14: has a serial number, and this one starts with the
Speaker 14: forty four thousand, So it wasn't necessarily probably.
Speaker 1: In the war. Oh.
Speaker 14: But what's interesting is since they only made them to
Speaker 14: eighteen seventy four, that put if it was made then
Speaker 14: at the last year, it's still one hundred and fifty
Speaker 14: years old.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 5: Hilt says that the handle of any weapon or tool.
Speaker 1: So this this it's a revolver or with no trigger guard. No,
Speaker 1: a trigger that is not trigger like correct, But that's
Speaker 1: not a great description. How would you describe that trigger?
Speaker 1: It's and then a cylinder with no no notching in
Speaker 1: the cylinder. It's a smooth cylinder.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in a very rudimentary bead and groove to
Speaker 1: aim it.
Speaker 4: Have you guys had a red dot on that thing?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, no, we could do.
Speaker 2: You know, the barrel's rifled, you know, I don't.
Speaker 8: I really don't.
Speaker 14: I don't know a whole lot about like all the things,
Speaker 14: all the research that I did on this was pretty
Speaker 14: much the same stuff. It kind of goes into the
Speaker 14: history of it, not like the dynamics of the pistol itself.
Speaker 4: Is it like Brody's Priest?
Speaker 2: What do you call this persuader?
Speaker 1: Is it like Brody sam and Persuader where it's got
Speaker 1: notches in the handle?
Speaker 8: No, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 14: I I think I would rather take that into a
Speaker 14: fight than this thing, though, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: You don't know anybody started taking that out and taking
Speaker 1: a crack on it.
Speaker 8: No, I can't say that I have.
Speaker 14: It's always been this was hanging up in our stairwell
Speaker 14: going downstairs, and it was there for I don't know
Speaker 14: eighteen years that I lived there, and my dad always
Speaker 14: that don't touch it.
Speaker 1: So no, and then.
Speaker 14: And then you brought it here, and then and then
Speaker 14: and then I grew up and I got out of
Speaker 14: the house and he's like, yeah, you want it. I'm like, sure,
Speaker 14: you got to take it to It's probably he's going
Speaker 14: to catch you now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: He gives him a big old whooping.
Speaker 1: Right, persuader little pants down smacks a little butt right
Speaker 1: here for touching his pistol.
Speaker 7: Can I see it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, you got to take it to someone to
Speaker 2: make sure there's not something you should be doing to
Speaker 2: like preserve it or what. You know what I mean.
Speaker 8: Well, I mean it's one hundred and fifty. I think
Speaker 8: it looks pretty good for a hundred.
Speaker 14: Sure it does, but you know, yeah, there's probably some
Speaker 14: better method to take care of that thing. And I
Speaker 14: would actually be really interested in someone that knows what
Speaker 14: they're doing with that particular.
Speaker 2: There's someone out there that knows everything about that gun,
Speaker 2: yeah you know what I mean, but like.
Speaker 4: Just like but you'll get some people writing in about
Speaker 4: it from here.
Speaker 14: Oh, I'm sure. And my biggest curiosity is that trigger,
Speaker 14: Like I want to know like how that works. And
Speaker 14: because I mean that it just looks weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah what there would be some kind of antique firearms
Speaker 1: enthusiasts out there. Oh maybe he's maybe there's a mirror
Speaker 1: expert who's also an anti he come and take care
Speaker 1: of it here.
Speaker 6: I think those triggers are like are relatively common because
Speaker 6: I feel like I've seen them at antique stores. I'm
Speaker 6: like little little pistols and twenty two years.
Speaker 1: It just like hangs you take a stab at it.
Speaker 1: There's a little hang down, a little tear drop shape
Speaker 1: hanged down in the trigger rest, and the trigger.
Speaker 4: Is like a little.
Speaker 1: Never mind, great, great crack.
Speaker 9: A little button.
Speaker 1: But just think about it.
Speaker 14: I think, I think when you you know cock that
Speaker 14: like what I can picture is when you cock, the
Speaker 14: handle goes yeah, and then it becomes whatever active and
Speaker 14: then you pull it back.
Speaker 8: And I don't think.
Speaker 1: I know how to explain it. It's like a savage
Speaker 1: ACU trigger. It's like a Savage ACU trigger if the
Speaker 1: it's only the ACU part of the ACUT. It's the
Speaker 1: Savage ACU trigger if this If the trigger trigger was
Speaker 1: solid and the safety blade that moves inside an ACU
Speaker 1: trigger was the trigger, it was a phenomenal.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, now I explain savage.
Speaker 4: Got our expert right here.
Speaker 9: Everyone google it.
Speaker 5: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's got to be a single action, right, cock
Speaker 2: and fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty sweet. I like that thing.
Speaker 14: Yeah, no, it's it's great. Yeah, if anyone has more
Speaker 14: information about it.
Speaker 2: They still making thirty two rimp fire shells.
Speaker 8: You know, I can't say that they are.
Speaker 2: I don't think that they are.
Speaker 1: Here's like, oh maybe the guys that are making our
Speaker 1: punt gun ammo when they finish that w able to
Speaker 1: do this.
Speaker 8: We still got to hang that up and we got
Speaker 8: to get the.
Speaker 1: So, bro, you couldn't find you weren't able to find
Speaker 1: the email the guy sent in.
Speaker 4: We recently had a guy right in.
Speaker 2: Well, I found the email. I just didn't find anything
Speaker 2: about an age. It was the size of the skull that.
Speaker 1: He Oh, and that's what was certified by the state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had it measured twenty three inches, which is
Speaker 2: out of what state is at Minnesota. No kid, but
Speaker 2: that's also where the oldest black bear was from too.
Speaker 1: So a guy wrote in and he found a twenty
Speaker 1: three inch found it dead, died on his land. Found
Speaker 1: a twenty three inch bear skull.
Speaker 2: Well, I think he might have found the bear.
Speaker 1: Oh so like so just for context here all time
Speaker 1: Boom and Crockett is twenty one Yeah, enormous blackbirds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a bear died on his land and there was
Speaker 2: some back and forth about whether he could claim it
Speaker 2: or it was the States, and it ended up in
Speaker 2: a lawsuit.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of something different. Give me me, there's something different, Bears.
Speaker 1: There's another guy that just had this old ass.
Speaker 2: I did not see that one. Sorry, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I thought we were talking about that campfire one. Sorry Phil.
Speaker 3: Oh you're good. If anyone wants to fill the space
Speaker 3: with some interesting bandits.
Speaker 10: If if the world record Boon and Crocket black Bear's
Speaker 10: skull measured twenty three and ten sixteenths, yeah, so this.
Speaker 1: Is twenty three.
Speaker 2: It's like, uh, it's gigantic, enormous anyway, like, well, this
Speaker 2: will probably all get cut. But this guy ended up
Speaker 2: in a lawsuit with the state over possession of that
Speaker 2: skull and got it. Which is weird because you know,
Speaker 2: in a lot of places you just watch around a
Speaker 2: different stories pick up dead heads.
Speaker 10: And that that world record was also picked up in YouTube.
Speaker 1: Just hold offer because we're not recording right now.
Speaker 3: Just a reminder that now we're doing a live editing
Speaker 3: with the video. It's uh kind of a pain to
Speaker 3: cut things out. I'll make it work. I'll make it work,
Speaker 3: just only if we can just sorry to avoid it
Speaker 3: from here.
Speaker 1: On out back to the bear and he can be
Speaker 1: testy like that back there because he doesn't have to.
Speaker 2: Look at it.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like getting testy with a customer service
Speaker 1: wrap over the phone, you'd say something you never say
Speaker 1: in person.
Speaker 2: I kind of agree with you, but I feel like
Speaker 2: you're a little hard on Phil.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I wish she was here looking me in the eye.
Speaker 2: That's what the morphil.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want more Phil, not less Phil.
Speaker 2: Well, we can talk about the oldest bear?
Speaker 4: No, I do want to hear?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so so, but either way, there's some dude
Speaker 1: recently wrote in and I lost it, but he wrote
Speaker 1: in and he found this this bear and it looked
Speaker 1: like you had taken an angle grinder and removed its teeth.
Speaker 1: And he got some certification back and this bear was
Speaker 1: I feel like the spar was in the thirties and
Speaker 1: then whatever the hell state he was in, it was
Speaker 1: the oldest bear found in the state.
Speaker 4: But I can't find his thing. Yeah, but you found that.
Speaker 1: Okay, what's the biggest black bear on record?
Speaker 10: Twenty three and ten sixteens. It came from Utah and
Speaker 10: it was picked up.
Speaker 2: And if people aren't familiar that measurement, all it is
Speaker 2: is length the skull and width the skull added together.
Speaker 1: Isn't it weird? How the biggest of most stuff is
Speaker 1: picked up mm hmm, like so often the biggest specimens
Speaker 1: picked up. So the biggest big horn sheep pick up,
Speaker 1: the biggest white tail picked up, the biggest black bear
Speaker 1: picked up this. So this was twenty three inches. And
Speaker 1: then the oldest bear on record was thirty nine years
Speaker 1: old out of Minnesota. Yep, yep.
Speaker 2: It's not killed by a hunter, died natural causes.
Speaker 1: M And then so the dude that found it got
Speaker 1: in a little custody battle. And who wound up with
Speaker 1: the skull? He did? He did? Okay, but that brings
Speaker 1: us a round to how Chester has an old ass bear.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I shot this bear with a recurve.
Speaker 8: Wild back home.
Speaker 6: I made, made the bow, and this is a local
Speaker 6: bear and it was a sow. But when I brought
Speaker 6: it in to f w P, well, no.
Speaker 1: Tell what happened before he brought it in.
Speaker 7: Tell us about the hunt.
Speaker 6: Okay, it's a it's an interesting hunt. So it was
Speaker 6: a snap jiggen in a meadow anyways, No, I uh.
Speaker 6: In the springtime in Montana, a lot of the time
Speaker 6: you can find bears in green metals, you know, up
Speaker 6: in the mountains. They're coming down out of the snow
Speaker 6: and chowing on wild flowers and grass, and that's exactly
Speaker 6: what I was doing. I was glassing over these green
Speaker 6: meadows and this bear came out, and I had been
Speaker 6: glassing up another bear, and this one looked substantially bigger.
Speaker 6: And I got to the edge of this field. The
Speaker 6: wind was absolutely perfect, but it almost looked like a
Speaker 6: manecured field, like some landscaping company came in there and
Speaker 6: made it look all pretty. There was there was one
Speaker 6: juniper in the middle of it. So I got to
Speaker 6: the edge of this field and the wind was right,
Speaker 6: and I took my shoes off, and I was just like,
Speaker 6: I'm going to see how close I can get to
Speaker 6: this thing. Took my shoes off so I could try
Speaker 6: and be.
Speaker 1: With Yeah, I think your feet were itchy or an itchy.
Speaker 6: No, but it was facing away, and like I said,
Speaker 6: the wind was right, and I just kept creeping towards it,
Speaker 6: real slow, not crawling or anything.
Speaker 7: Using the tree between you and the bear.
Speaker 6: Nope, just staying on its hind end. And luckily it
Speaker 6: just stayed facing away from me. And I probably got
Speaker 6: like sixty seventy yards and that juniper was I was
Speaker 6: getting close to that juniper, and the bear was just
Speaker 6: on the other side of it, and I was like,
Speaker 6: as soon as it gets on the other side of
Speaker 6: this juniper, I'm gonna just hustle my butt up and
Speaker 6: be right there. So shake hands, shake hands with it.
Speaker 6: It gets on the other side of that juniper, that's
Speaker 6: exactly what I do. And it steps out broadside. It's
Speaker 6: you know, probably fifteen to eighteen yards, I don't know,
Speaker 6: somewhere in there. And I shoot it, and I think
Speaker 6: it's just a beautiful, perfect shot. And if any of
Speaker 6: you guys have hundred bears before, they got a lot
Speaker 6: of fur, a lot of hair, and it can kind
Speaker 6: of be deceiving because you're shooting at a black blob,
Speaker 6: you know. So I think it's just a perfect shot,
Speaker 6: and you know, my heart's going and it takes off
Speaker 6: down into the woods and I start blood trailing and
Speaker 6: there's no blood to be found whatsoever. And I look
Speaker 6: and look and look, and I'm just getting super discouraged.
Speaker 6: So I start doing what every hunter would do. They
Speaker 6: grid search it, you know, they kind of get on
Speaker 6: onyx and start making a track. And I was gridding
Speaker 6: this hill signed and I was a.
Speaker 1: Lot of seconds. Yeah, we should just put this in
Speaker 1: the fucking Discoveries thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't know the rest of the story,
Speaker 2: but if you haven't figured that out, Yeah, we shouldn't
Speaker 2: talk about this a little interstitial never mind, you got
Speaker 2: to go in the book. Sorry, Phil, show us your
Speaker 2: face to be too good of a it's like too
Speaker 2: good of a little Yeah, if it was, we need
Speaker 2: it in campfire for sure.
Speaker 1: No, it's anyways.
Speaker 3: Uh, you can't tell I'm doing fine? Is it a
Speaker 3: learning process for everyone? I'll take it.
Speaker 4: Phil is back there?
Speaker 10: Show us your face again, Phil, What does it look
Speaker 10: like right now?
Speaker 4: You know what, Phil?
Speaker 10: Because they don't know what happened except you said teaser.
Speaker 1: Okay? Can you is it easy for you to go
Speaker 1: back in and bleep stuff out or easier just to
Speaker 1: edit the whole thing out bleeping?
Speaker 3: Probably?
Speaker 1: Okay? Can you just go back and bleep all the
Speaker 1: thing that would make it this is actually an ad
Speaker 1: for can't fire stories? Okay?
Speaker 4: Or just cut all the audio.
Speaker 3: Lemons and the lemonade sort of thing. Here we go.
Speaker 5: Can you just try It'll just sound like I'm swearing
Speaker 5: the whole time.
Speaker 4: And then Phil blur for the whole video.
Speaker 1: I want you to blur that skull so people don't
Speaker 1: know that he got it.
Speaker 4: Okay, And second thought, let.
Speaker 2: Edited out's face.
Speaker 1: No, Phil, just bleep, just just act like he swore
Speaker 1: a lot, and bleep the parts out that you think
Speaker 1: would matter.
Speaker 4: And you don't need to do any of the work.
Speaker 1: Sounds sounds good.
Speaker 4: Here's the work Phil's trying to get out of. You
Speaker 4: can watch.
Speaker 1: You can watch, we're making we're starting to record our show.
Speaker 1: And and and Phil is back there in his little
Speaker 1: command and control center hitting what camera he wants on
Speaker 1: all the time. Isn't that right, Phil? Is that how
Speaker 1: you'd express it?
Speaker 3: Camera four? Yes, it is, Steve back to camera one.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's what he's That's what's going through his
Speaker 1: little head back there, and he doesn't want to have
Speaker 1: to have a big old headache of going back in
Speaker 1: and trying to undo all his camera work.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So on that note, I'd like to apologize for
Speaker 3: all the weird camera cuts I just made during that
Speaker 3: segment when I thought it was going to be cut out,
Speaker 3: So just to ignore.
Speaker 1: Those because we were going to be thinking, Man, that
Speaker 1: guy's not very good at that. That was a great story. Chester.
Speaker 1: I'm on the edge of my seat.
Speaker 4: Dude told me.
Speaker 2: Is that bleeping he bleeping the one in your office?
Speaker 10: Yes, yep, that's where am I going to be able
Speaker 10: to hear the real story?
Speaker 1: Now? I'm a little confumaters Campfire Stories Volume three. So
Speaker 1: volume one was close calls, Volume two was more close calls,
Speaker 1: and then we had to catch you little subtitle. Volume
Speaker 1: three is gonna be called crazy shit I found, but
Speaker 1: not what we called it? Do we know yet? Like
Speaker 1: the yeah, not really amazing, archae discovery whatever, finding plane crashes,
Speaker 1: finding missing bodies, finding archaeological sites, finding just whatever. Weird
Speaker 1: jump Sure, well what do you got right in front
Speaker 1: of you right now? Do you ad any talk about this?
Speaker 1: But I'm not Yeah, I don't think. Do you feel
Speaker 1: like it's gonna make the Uh, it's not gonna make them.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna No, go ahead, I want to hear
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 10: Okay, this, this here is an extinct sea creature. I
Speaker 10: was hunting in Montana.
Speaker 4: Looks like I've found the little chunks before, but go on.
Speaker 10: I was hunting in Montana in twenty nineteen, and that
Speaker 10: morning I was sitting behind my spotter and I glassed
Speaker 10: this up. It was in like some bad Lands country,
Speaker 10: and I glassed it up from a long ways away,
Speaker 10: and I didn't know what it was.
Speaker 9: You gotta explain what you saw, though.
Speaker 2: I saw that exactly.
Speaker 9: People people have home who are listening.
Speaker 10: People want to say that it's a it looks like
Speaker 10: a core sample that you took from the here.
Speaker 1: I thought when I came in and this was sitting here,
Speaker 1: I thought for some reason there was a core sample
Speaker 1: in here.
Speaker 10: It is not a core sample. It looks like you when.
Speaker 4: You look at it carefully, it's oval.
Speaker 2: You know how some people got a game.
Speaker 10: I Spencer's got a thing and yeah, and mushroom eye
Speaker 10: really bad. I'm a very bad shed hunter. I think
Speaker 10: I'm very good at mushrooms and rocks.
Speaker 5: Are you interested in sheds?
Speaker 2: Though terribly interested in shed are?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I wish I was better because I didn't know if
Speaker 5: it was just like games.
Speaker 1: No, Seth Morris has the best shed I know.
Speaker 10: Yeah, It's it's hard for me to not do one
Speaker 10: and do the other, because it seems like the best
Speaker 10: shed hunters are like scanning a large area, and when
Speaker 10: you're looking for mushrooms and rocks, you're often looking in
Speaker 10: like a very small area. Your cone, like your sonar,
Speaker 10: is tiny. The sheds you're you're like looking over a
Speaker 10: big area. I can't I can't come to that.
Speaker 1: I was walking through the woods with Seth. I had
Speaker 1: to duck my head to not poke a shed antler
Speaker 1: in my eye that his buck had gotten hung up
Speaker 1: in some grapevine and missed that. And it's like, look
Speaker 1: a shed hanging from a grapevine at high level in
Speaker 1: the trail you just walked down.
Speaker 10: This looks like a core sample. It's about as thick
Speaker 10: as a beer can. A little little smaller, a little smaller. Okay, white,
Speaker 10: it's good if you put like two white claws on
Speaker 10: top of each other, right, one and a half. Okay,
Speaker 10: it's very good describing stuff. It's in your hand right now,
Speaker 10: not mine. This is an extinct sea creature. It's called
Speaker 10: a back you light. Back you lights lived from about
Speaker 10: sixty six million years ago, which is when the dinosaurs
Speaker 10: also an extinct to one hundred million years ago. Sounds
Speaker 10: like a long time, but if you if you want
Speaker 10: some context, like dinosaurs showed up like two hundred million
Speaker 10: years ago and then disappeared sixty six million years ago,
Speaker 10: So dinosaurs had already been around for one hundred million
Speaker 10: years by the time these came around. It's a long
Speaker 10: time and they their closest relative would be things that
Speaker 10: are cephalopods like squid, octopus. Their whole order family genus,
Speaker 10: it's all extinct. None of these are are around anymore
Speaker 10: or even close to it. They grew up to about
Speaker 10: seven feet long. They had extreme sexual dimorphism. A male
Speaker 10: was only about a third of the size as a female,
Speaker 10: and they were They hung out in the middle of
Speaker 10: the water column. They ate plankton, and those little like
Speaker 10: fissures that you're seeing, those are called sutures on there,
Speaker 10: and that is how they would regulate the gas in
Speaker 10: their body. This to imagine imagine a squid. Take a
Speaker 10: squid right and then give it a long cone body
Speaker 10: like five or six feet long. Yep, that's what a
Speaker 10: vacuu light looked like. And then those little so that's
Speaker 10: the body right there.
Speaker 4: This is like the shell of it. Juter tentacles fossilized
Speaker 4: well well.
Speaker 10: Usually things that are soft don't fossilize very well. Mushrooms,
Speaker 10: for example, which would be similar in material to tentacles.
Speaker 10: I think there's been twelve in the world that have
Speaker 10: been found of fossils. So no, the tentacles really really
Speaker 10: poorly fossilized. This would be the hard shell of it.
Speaker 8: So my question, let's back up a little bit. When
Speaker 8: you said you glass us up.
Speaker 1: Yep, I didn't know what it was, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: you found it in your noox.
Speaker 10: In my spotting scope.
Speaker 2: Were you looking for deer?
Speaker 10: I was looking for deer, but looking most of my
Speaker 10: deer hunts evolve.
Speaker 1: And that's why he's got that buck sit next to him,
Speaker 1: because he got that buck later that day. That's right.
Speaker 10: So I found this vacuu light in the morning, and
Speaker 10: then that afternoon, only a few hundred yards away, I
Speaker 10: killed this buck.
Speaker 1: So you're telling me you saw that through your scope.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was.
Speaker 10: I knew it was unnatural, like I was like that
Speaker 10: that's something I was painted picture too. Is it like
Speaker 10: in the middle of like just something. When I look
Speaker 10: at that, I see how rock It was in some
Speaker 10: bad landsy stuff that had a lot of like dead
Speaker 10: grass on it. This was late in November and it
Speaker 10: was just laying there. It actually had a couple other
Speaker 10: smaller VACUU lights next to it. Steve, you mentioned that
Speaker 10: you found some vacu lights before. Here's a smaller section.
Speaker 1: I found the sections. This.
Speaker 10: This I found him on Tana. This came from Wyoming.
Speaker 10: It's also a bad that's what I have these.
Speaker 1: My kids have found him too. Yeah. Can I tell
Speaker 1: you a neat little story. Yeah. I know an old
Speaker 1: timer that he's well into his eighties. He had one
Speaker 1: of these sitting on a shelf in his house and
Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was. And I said, dude,
Speaker 1: what is that? And he said, I don't know, some
Speaker 1: kind of fossil. And he had had it for I
Speaker 1: mean decades. I gather because I never found anybody that
Speaker 1: could tell me what that was. He doesn't know the
Speaker 1: first thing about internet stuff. So I put it on Instagram.
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, what is this? And within seconds I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's evaculate And so I go and I show them.
Speaker 1: We go into Google and type in vaculate and I
Speaker 1: pulled all these pictures of them. Yeah, okay, And he's
Speaker 1: pretty surprised by this whole revelation. It's very convinced that
Speaker 1: that's what he's holding. Was very happy. A while later,
Speaker 1: he calls me and he says, what was the website
Speaker 1: you were showing me the pictures. I was like, it's
Speaker 1: called it's Google. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 10: Native Americans would find those lots, and they call them
Speaker 10: buffalo stones because if you look at the bottom, you
Speaker 10: could see like you're looking at the undercarriage of bison.
Speaker 10: I think the black Feet specific had some origin stories
Speaker 10: about how they were good luck. There was a woman
Speaker 10: who found one when they were in the middle of
Speaker 10: a famine, and then the next day a whole herd
Speaker 10: of bison showed up and it like really turned things
Speaker 10: around for them. So back you light or buffalo calling stones.
Speaker 10: M I've heard that buffalo calling that's a buffalo calling stone.
Speaker 2: That does work. If you're applying for a buffalo tag.
Speaker 10: Well, it helped me kill this deer that afternoon.
Speaker 4: I stick one of those in with your application.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 10: Yeah. This is a cactus buck.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 10: Normally, white tails and mule deer will shed their velvet
Speaker 10: in late August early September. It happens when the photo
Speaker 10: period changes. Day start getting shorter, bucks elevate their testosterone
Speaker 10: and then their velvet sheds. When that doesn't happen, it's
Speaker 10: a cactus buck and it's kind of a catch all
Speaker 10: term right. Cactus bucks can come in many forms, many
Speaker 10: shapes and size. It could be an antler dough. It
Speaker 10: could be a hermaphrodite that has man and female sex organs.
Speaker 10: It could be a buck that lived a normal life
Speaker 10: as a buck, and then one day he messed up
Speaker 10: his testicles, crossing a bar boy or fence, got hit
Speaker 10: by a vehicle, was in a fight with another buck,
Speaker 10: and got stabbed in the nuts, and then that can
Speaker 10: mess with their hormones and create a cactus buck.
Speaker 4: Or I was told you keep going with that list.
Speaker 1: I was liking that.
Speaker 10: Yes, okay, I can't think of any other examples.
Speaker 1: You know, I suppose you get right in the sack.
Speaker 1: You can take this leather. That's good as way.
Speaker 10: This buck, for example, though, was born this way. His
Speaker 10: testicles had never dropped, and they were about the size
Speaker 10: of a cashew.
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 10: So when you went to gut him, was there a
Speaker 10: sack or it was an empty coin purson?
Speaker 4: What was like a full sized sack but empty.
Speaker 10: It was it was like absorbed up into the stumach.
Speaker 10: You could see like, okay, this is where his his
Speaker 10: sack and testicles should be. And it was just like
Speaker 10: a slight change in the topography.
Speaker 2: H there, Did you shoot him like you knew what
Speaker 2: he was? And you shot him for that reason.
Speaker 10: I knew what he was. He was with a few
Speaker 10: other bucks what he was because he was he wasn't
Speaker 10: hardhorned right right? And we had seen other bucks that weekend.
Speaker 10: Do you know when you see them that time of
Speaker 10: year that it's a cactus buck?
Speaker 6: Did you see any other cactus bucks? And I feel
Speaker 6: like we've talked about a lot of it, man Will.
Speaker 6: I have found like there's specific area that we hunt
Speaker 6: and it's like we've seen so many of them, and
Speaker 6: it's just it's bizarre.
Speaker 10: This idea gained traction after EHD. Twenty twelve was a
Speaker 10: terrible year for EHD. Gotcha, and the worst years of
Speaker 10: EHD are often when it's a wet season followed by
Speaker 10: a dry season. Twenty eleven was super wet. Twenty twelve
Speaker 10: was very dry for much of the country. That was
Speaker 10: when I think biologists started to notice more. They're like, oh,
Speaker 10: you can have some weird stuff that happens to deer
Speaker 10: when they survive EHD. You see it with the hoofs
Speaker 10: that get curled. Have you ever seen that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so.
Speaker 10: That that was an example.
Speaker 1: Not that hoof rock that's wreaking havoc in the Northwest.
Speaker 10: No, not that, And I think some folks, I don't
Speaker 10: know that it's been proven, but they've they've come up
Speaker 10: with the idea that if you have an area that
Speaker 10: was hit by but hit bad by EHD, but you
Speaker 10: have some deer that survive it, cactus bucks become more common.
Speaker 10: I shot this buck in twenty nineteen. I went through
Speaker 10: a check station on the way home. They had told
Speaker 10: me they checked about one hundred deer that day and
Speaker 10: this was the second cactus buck. So for that area
Speaker 10: it was about two percent of deer, but I think,
Speaker 10: you know, it could be all the way up to
Speaker 10: ten percent in some spots.
Speaker 1: I remember, I can't remember what some guys are telling
Speaker 1: me about. One of those islands in Alaska and more
Speaker 1: western Alaska that has the introduced Kimera field is a
Speaker 1: fog Nak or Kodiak or one of those islands has
Speaker 1: introduced you know, introduced blacktails. It's almost some area where
Speaker 1: it's just like a pile of them running around. I
Speaker 1: never found out if it was true or not, but
Speaker 1: it's just like common in some spot like it introduced herd.
Speaker 10: Yep, that was one of my favorite days of hunting.
Speaker 1: Ever. I found this to either two of the three
Speaker 1: things you like? Oh, what's the third?
Speaker 4: Four?
Speaker 1: What's the fourth? Where you like sports a little bit,
Speaker 1: you like your wife, you like stones.
Speaker 4: And you like bucks.
Speaker 1: That's right? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Are you with your wife that day?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 1: I wasn't. So you get two of the four things
Speaker 1: he likes.
Speaker 10: Yeah, one of my favorite rocks and one of my
Speaker 10: favorite bucks. Have you ever seen how they preserve the
Speaker 10: velvet on a deer?
Speaker 1: That was my next question.
Speaker 10: Yeah, they have like three ways. My understanding, that's going to.
Speaker 1: Live here in the studio for a while.
Speaker 10: Yeah, for sure. If if we're good with it, we're
Speaker 10: still decorating. We're still like three ways trivia mm hmm
Speaker 10: about cactus bucks. One of them is freeze drying, which
Speaker 10: I think has become more common.
Speaker 1: Hadn't heard that.
Speaker 10: Another one is they'll scrape the velvet off and then
Speaker 10: they'll put an artificial velvet on. I don't like spraying,
Speaker 10: you know, insuly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm composed of that.
Speaker 10: And then the third way, which is how this one
Speaker 10: was done, is they have a chemical cocktail it's similar
Speaker 10: to embalming fluid that they just inject all over.
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with that.
Speaker 10: That's that's how this one preserved it.
Speaker 4: It's hard to take care of.
Speaker 10: Yeah, cost me an extra fifty dollars from the taxi gervists.
Speaker 1: Man, well, we used we used to hunt caribou in
Speaker 1: August when they had all that velvet. My god, is
Speaker 1: that stuff getting nasty? Man? Like, you don't think of flies.
Speaker 1: It's all full of blood, so you go to grab
Speaker 1: them and your hands get bloody. You don't think of
Speaker 1: flies getting on antler. Yeah, they love it. So it's
Speaker 1: just these fly ridden messes. And so I used to
Speaker 1: think that something. I was gonna try to save one,
Speaker 1: but you just can't. Yeah, and then it starts to
Speaker 1: rot and it's falling off and it's nasty. But I
Speaker 1: did want to get a big bunch of that velvet
Speaker 1: and get it tanned and make like a bra for
Speaker 1: my wife man lined with that antler velvet.
Speaker 2: Man, Uh huh, that's funny.
Speaker 4: This one was.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I wanted to do one out of like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I always telling her about it. She's like, you just
Speaker 1: don't understand.
Speaker 8: I just don't understand you wouldn't get it.
Speaker 1: She doesn't understand to get her like a fur of
Speaker 1: velvet lined bra.
Speaker 4: Krin is that? Why is that not appealing?
Speaker 9: I find it appealing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well Krinn, Yeah she also has animal part earings.
Speaker 9: I do it.
Speaker 4: See is like to be warmer and I'll get out.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it'd be real comfortable.
Speaker 1: She's like, it's just not a cold area, like your
Speaker 1: fingers get cold, cold, cold cold.
Speaker 9: You can think about it as I mean, I wouldn't
Speaker 9: think about it as whether it's insulating or not, but
Speaker 9: more just like a texture, like what's what's comfortable to
Speaker 9: the touch?
Speaker 7: Sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she's thinking about it the wrong way.
Speaker 4: She's like, it's like lots of things.
Speaker 1: Like your cheeks get cold, your hands get cold.
Speaker 9: Lauer, you shouldn't move forward with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah that's great man. I like that.
Speaker 8: Thank you.
Speaker 1: That's true. We got what are we going to kick out?
Speaker 10: There's a lot of white space, there is this is
Speaker 10: this like the.
Speaker 9: We're going to keep redecorating and we oh, we should
Speaker 9: move our Warner Bratzler meat tenderizers. Put a little meat
Speaker 9: eater cap on him, call him warrener b.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or he can go on one of the other
Speaker 1: shelves in the new place.
Speaker 10: I'll point out this fossil is found on public land
Speaker 10: and was on b l M and it's not against
Speaker 10: the law. It's not against law. It's legal to collect
Speaker 10: common invertebrates. And they specifically call out you know, they're
Speaker 10: not very specific, but they say, like common invertebrates such
Speaker 10: as mollusks, clams, things like that, this would be a
Speaker 10: type of mollusk. They're very common. They' found around the world.
Speaker 10: So I kept it, and that's legal.
Speaker 1: I had a great exchange with Spencer one time. I
Speaker 1: think I hit you up on an inReach device, okay,
Speaker 1: And I said we had found a huge block of
Speaker 1: old seafloor. There was a clam bed, I remember, and
Speaker 1: my daughter wanted me to pack it out. Yep, it's
Speaker 1: still sitting there because this is about seventy pounds.
Speaker 4: It's quite a way is off the river.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 4: And I texted you about what are the rules.
Speaker 1: About it and what was the pounded you're allowed?
Speaker 10: Well, so they get into specifics for petrified wood. It's like,
Speaker 10: I think it's twenty five pounds a day. Can't exceed
Speaker 10: two hundred and fifty pounds in a year, and then
Speaker 10: they have something like you can't take a piece that's
Speaker 10: larger than X amount of pounds.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what that was.
Speaker 10: When it comes to the fossils, though, they just say
Speaker 10: you cannot collect to trade, barter or sell, and you
Speaker 10: must collect in reasonable quantities.
Speaker 4: That's what that's what the that's what you text.
Speaker 1: I don't know what a reasonable does it seem like
Speaker 1: a reasonable.
Speaker 8: Hat?
Speaker 10: It'd be a reasonable quantity.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, it's unreasonable that I would tote this
Speaker 1: out of here, but it seems like a reasonable quantity.
Speaker 4: But no, I propped it up. It's still sitting there
Speaker 4: where I found it.
Speaker 2: Presumably what's that unless someone thought it was a reasonable
Speaker 2: quantity and they.
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone could.
Speaker 1: Carry that out of there. Man. Uh, all right, one
Speaker 1: last thing, Max, you have your grand You've taken the
Speaker 1: possession of your grandfather's fishing hat.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't say it's a fishing hat, it's a do
Speaker 7: it all hat.
Speaker 4: Is he no longer with us?
Speaker 7: No, he's not. He passed away in twenty nineteen. Oh yeah, So.
Speaker 1: Did he specifically leave that hat to you? No?
Speaker 7: I think my dad took it and then I took
Speaker 7: it from my dad.
Speaker 11: Okay, but yeah, it's kind of a funny story behind
Speaker 11: this hat.
Speaker 7: It's uncomfortable as crap. If you can't see it now.
Speaker 9: It looks like very wax, very wax.
Speaker 1: It is like an old man hat, like a nice
Speaker 1: clean hat.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm bald. Like it's got to feel good,
Speaker 2: know that in your hat with antler velvet.
Speaker 5: Well, now that you.
Speaker 11: Mentioned that, it's not a bad idea, but my dad,
Speaker 11: it was my grandpa's birthday and my dad got that
Speaker 11: for my grandpa for his birthday.
Speaker 7: Well, not this hat.
Speaker 11: Sorry, he got a different hat for his birthday, and
Speaker 11: my Grandpa hated it, and so he took the hat
Speaker 11: that my dad gave him, put it on the shelf,
Speaker 11: went out, took my dad's credit card, bought this hat,
Speaker 11: which was more expensive, and didn't tell my dad about it.
Speaker 11: And then he was just walking around with his hat,
Speaker 11: and my Dad's like, hey, what happened to this hat?
Speaker 11: And Grandpa didn't say anything about it. And then my
Speaker 11: dad's birthday came around next month and the hat that
Speaker 11: my dad got my grandpa, my grandpa.
Speaker 7: Just gave it back to him.
Speaker 11: Sure, because he didn't like it as a present. Yeah,
Speaker 11: as a present and he found this at.
Speaker 4: Was that when you maint that was one of your
Speaker 4: main outdoor mentors?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Big time?
Speaker 2: Was he prone to stealing people's credit cards?
Speaker 7: I guess I don't know you do you wear that hat?
Speaker 5: I do not know.
Speaker 11: This hat sits on, sits on the wall, sits on
Speaker 11: the shelf, so keep sack.
Speaker 7: Yeah, big time. But yeah, I think my I think
Speaker 7: I was six.
Speaker 11: Uh, there's a photo of me my grandpa when we're
Speaker 11: when I was six out pheasant hunting and he's wearing
Speaker 11: this hat.
Speaker 7: Really yeah, it's pretty sweet.
Speaker 5: Think of all the adventures this hell oh, big time,
Speaker 5: big time.
Speaker 7: But no, I was.
Speaker 11: Just just trying to think of something cool to bring
Speaker 11: in and I was like, that's really cool to me
Speaker 11: because without my grandpa, I don't think I would have
Speaker 11: got involved in hunting. And then if I wouldn't have
Speaker 11: gotten involved in hunting, I would never picked up a camera.
Speaker 11: And if I never would have picked up camera, I
Speaker 11: wouldn't be here right now.
Speaker 9: So maybe we shouldn't put that on a shelf in
Speaker 9: the studio. I feel like it's a little too precious for.
Speaker 8: Well, what's the how do you preserve something like that?
Speaker 1: We're talking about the pistol. Only put some Scotch guard on.
Speaker 9: Like put it in like a blocks of apoxy.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know what man? You know how people
Speaker 4: do that? Or they resin set it in the block.
Speaker 1: Man? If that I got real good, that's all I
Speaker 1: would do. I'd have like stuff that I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: shouldn't put that in there?
Speaker 2: You could build a house out all that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just make your house out of stuff he
Speaker 1: sunk into blocks, all your cool stuff.
Speaker 4: You would need to hang it on the wall because
Speaker 4: it was the wall.
Speaker 9: That's very cool.
Speaker 7: I don't think I'll do that with this.
Speaker 10: Steve, did you know that Max is a fresh trivia champion?
Speaker 1: You won one? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Sure did?
Speaker 4: Who was there?
Speaker 1: Doctor?
Speaker 5: Who was there?
Speaker 1: Was Doctor Randall?
Speaker 7: Doctor Randall's there?
Speaker 8: Barren Square? Whooped down?
Speaker 4: Did you beat?
Speaker 12: You?
Speaker 1: Beat you?
Speaker 2: Honestly?
Speaker 1: There was a three way like you won one with
Speaker 1: doctor Randall and Brody in the room. Yep?
Speaker 10: Do you want to play the tiebreaker?
Speaker 1: Steve?
Speaker 10: See if you did gotten close, I'll ask you.
Speaker 4: A wrap show up?
Speaker 1: Go ahead?
Speaker 11: What year did Steve her when pass away? If you
Speaker 11: can remember he passed away by sting Ray was right.
Speaker 2: I didn't win trivia, but I got the tiebreaker.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you got the correct.
Speaker 10: Two thousand and six. Brody was right on the nose,
Speaker 10: so we had the extra hundred dollars donation. But he
Speaker 10: wasn't in the tiebreaker.
Speaker 1: You did that, Oh yeah, but you didn't let him
Speaker 1: win it.
Speaker 10: No, no, no, Max one, he said. Two thousand and eight.
Speaker 4: Me and Brody argued about that game.
Speaker 1: There an eight Brody did. Brody just sat there. But
Speaker 1: I had a lot of.
Speaker 2: You know, there's sore losers. I told Steve he's a
Speaker 2: sore winner.
Speaker 1: I had to yell over his bolt multiple times to
Speaker 1: give him various thoughts on why I felt like it
Speaker 1: was a scam.
Speaker 4: Uh huh, just what even though, all right, everybody, thanks
Speaker 4: for joining studios, shaping up.
Speaker 1: It's gonna look good. I like, whose idea was the muscos.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 2: It's a whole dang wall.
Speaker 1: Yeah something.
Speaker 4: Someday I'm gonna comb that and get all.
Speaker 2: The kiviat you remember giving me the yeah flies Halloween mask.
Speaker 1: I want to comb out enough of that stuff to
Speaker 1: have a hat made out of that kiviot. I think
Speaker 1: it's the word for it kivot, it's more. It's like
Speaker 1: better than any wool for insulatory quality. And I think
Speaker 1: you'd comb out a whole hat out of there, and
Speaker 1: you wouldn't even be able to tell from looking at
Speaker 1: it because it looks like a big foot hanging there.
Speaker 1: That's what I first thought walked in here. I thought
Speaker 1: someone got a big foot?
Speaker 5: Did you get did you get that?
Speaker 1: I killed that nan Back Island.
Speaker 5: And you thought it was a big foot.
Speaker 1: Years ago? Years ago, I drew, I don't even think
Speaker 1: you can draw it right now. Years ago I drew,
Speaker 1: uh uh muskox tag for none of that island. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like d x O one or something like
Speaker 1: that was the hunt number. And yeah, man was we
Speaker 1: had a good time. Steve.
Speaker 10: You're fixing to put First Light out of business with
Speaker 10: all this muskox and velvet clothing.
Speaker 1: Roll it into the lineup.
Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, I know that would be bad, wouldn't it?
Speaker 1: Because I could just picture them being like, you know,
Speaker 1: my brawl line came out.
Speaker 9: Okay, bye everybody.
Speaker 12: Thanks on the seal, gray shine like silver in the sun. Ride, Ride,
Speaker 12: Ride on alone, Sweetheart, were done, beat this damn horse
Speaker 12: to death, taking a new one and ride We're done
Speaker 12: beat this damn horse today, so take a new one
Speaker 12: and ride on