WEBVTT - Ep. 461: Bleepidy Bleep 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.320 This is the Meat Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:15.720 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear. 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:19.280 Listeningcast, you can't predict anything. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.800 The Meat Eater podcast is brought to you by first Light. 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:26.079 Whether you're checking trail cams, hanging deer stands, or scouting 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.560 for el First Light has performance apparel to support every 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.440 hunter in every environment. Check it out at first light 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.640 dot com, f I R S T L I T 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:40.240 E dot com. I don't know if listeners can appreciate 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:46.560 the impact of Phil's setup. I think people are thinking 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.000 I'm exaggerating when I said I didn't know twice now, 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.159 this room is not big. How big this room was it? 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.480 Twelve by twelve, it's about fourteen by fifteen. 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:54.720 I think fourteen by fifteen. 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:57.600 Yeah, And there's been two times I've been there's no 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:01.840 internal walls, no curtains, And two times I've been in 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:05.920 here and been startled by Phil's presence or. 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:08.199 That he's not here, and he was actually, oh yeah. 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:08.679 I got earlier. 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:10.480 I was mad that he wasn't here at work, but 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:12.880 he was back there behind his array. 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:17.679 I gotta admit I kind of like it that way. 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:19.400 I like being a little hidden. 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:20.640 This is the third time I brought it up. 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.760 Yeah, it's really it's really bugging yet, I stuck in 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:24.679 your craw. 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:26.919 Dude, I can't even see you if I try. 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.600 You know, that's right, Well, the listeners can see me. 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.560 We're kicking around, either putting little pictures of Phil where 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:37.000 he would normally be or making an election. If there's 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:41.040 any mirror specialists out there. I had an electrician there today. 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:42.920 I asked me if I ever needed any electrical work, 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.319 he'd be happy to do it. But he was in Texas. 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.120 But if there's a mirror specialist in town that had 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:51.840 could array, I guess it'd be one mirror that he's 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:55.520 looking at, then that mirror blasts off the wall behind him, 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.200 and then a mirror by the Muskox picks it up. 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:00.720 Sounds like a lot of work. 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:02.800 Yeah, we'd have to consider it from all angles too, 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:04.680 So I think this room would be mostly mirrors at 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.000 the end of the day. 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:10.600 It would be like one of those things at like 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.680 county fairs that you walk into and you run into 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:14.200 the walls. 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.400 Yeah. People that make action movies can't help but have 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:18.440 shootouts in them. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:19.920 Which one's real? 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:26.680 Uh Chester, what can you uh produce that your jig. 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:30.160 And rap again. Oh yeah, yeah, Chester put me onto 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:32.240 a phenomenal jig and rap bite last night. 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:34.920 How phenomenal. 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:41.760 We caught our limit of wally dogs, which is about 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:50.400 four or five. Yeah, little shavers, great eaters eat yeah, 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.760 perfect saying when walleye there's no such thing as small 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:57.040 walleyes and big ones. There's eaters and biggins. It's like 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:01.880 it's a win win eaters and biggins. But the givers, yeah, 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:05.240 little shavers eaters. That is a lethal weapon. 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:09.120 These things are is it really is. 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.160 Like the odds of that wallye being just hooked in 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:13.240 the lip are low. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:18.200 Well, the thing so these are are glide baits essentially, 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.800 and any glide bait kind of has little wings on 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:24.080 it and it's a very sporadic darter bait. So they go, 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:29.240 oh yeah, all over and the fish cannot help. But 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:32.040 like they're just like see something dart by their face 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:35.520 and pop in the mud. They go and investigate it 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.000 and like kind of they kind of like hop on 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.040 top of it essentially, and then you go to do 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.280 your your quick jig again and next thing, you know, 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.400 when you're next thing, you know, you got one. 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:48.360 I'd love to have a camera down there, see what's 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:50.720 what's going on. Well, you know when I use now 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.720 that I use so for link. When I used to 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.240 use leadhead jigs with a big grub body on them, 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.560 they can catch it, you know, and you get fewer. 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.280 I've been onto like slow pitch and flutter jigs last 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:10.280 couple of years. Man, they have a hard time catching it, 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:12.640 like because he misses it. 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:13.200 You'll feel him. 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:14.920 He'll miss it. 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.280 Bam, he'll miss it bam. 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.520 Then he either gets bored or you hook him on 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.280 the third or fourth time, or he gets like screw 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.360 this and he just goes off looking for something easier 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.560 to catch. But I think they can't grab it so 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:28.240 to a. 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:32.080 Rabbit, Yeah, it's unpredictable, but. 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:34.840 They sure want to bite it. Yeah, you should could have, 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:41.280 you shoulduld have. Uh what do you call me? A 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.120 jiggen rap jiggen. 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:44.200 Rap sponsor glide bait? 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:45.599 Yeah, so mus. 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:47.480 Just send Chester like a bunch of glide baits. 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.559 You just get a mold because that's like a real cost. 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:51.919 Chester. 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.880 When he's doing the when he's doing his family finances, 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:56.840 he's like tackle. 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.480 Those are probably what eight eight bucks a pop too? 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:03.360 Eight nine Bucks. 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:03.640 Yeah. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:05.960 Yeah, I got that one for Chester because I lost 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:06.960 one of his yesterday. 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.080 Well, thank you, Brody. Are we gonna hang this in 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:10.080 the podcast studio? 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.040 No, you get it right, hag wrap. 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:14.240 Down there, dude. 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:16.919 We were talking about though, you need they need to 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.120 make some of these for when you guys are up 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:20.880 in Alaska at the fish shack. 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:22.520 A big one for ling. 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.559 Cod twelve ounce. 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:26.480 Yeah, I think that. I was saying, Man, if you 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:28.760 can get like a ten or twelve ounce jigging wrap, 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:30.320 he would do two things. 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.520 One, you'd snag. 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:37.159 Everybody else like you'd be like, guys, I'm gonna fish 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:38.800 lines out. I'm gonna fish for a. 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.440 While, try myself. 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:45.520 Yeah, clear the anchor, and then uh, the other thing 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.480 is is you Yeah, you'd get a lot of hits. 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:49.640 Yeah, you gotta be you gotta be careful with them 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.360 though they're dangerous. This is like the number one thing 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:56.400 getting your fingers hooked right here. Oftentimes I'll clip off 0:05:56.400 --> 0:06:00.120 this front front hook here because rarely you do do 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:05.000 you hook him on there? But anyways, chicken wrap, great bait. 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.120 We'll come back to something else you got sitting there 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:15.680 and on top about Okay, I'm holding Brodies. You can 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:20.960 bring this all to Alaska. Yeah, tell about this your 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.600 your priest here man that my dad made that. 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.640 That's a homemade persuader, I think he called it. 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.680 We used to call him the priest. Yeah, because it 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:30.719 gives your last rite. 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:36.440 Yeah, but yeah, my dad made that. And and like 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:40.839 the late I think I got the time frames roughly correct. 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:44.440 But Lake Ear used to have a salmon fishery, like 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.719 started sometime in the sixties and didn't last long, like 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:52.360 a decade maybe a little longer. And my dad would 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:56.400 troll for coho like on the beaches just between the 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:58.160 He was in a canoe with a little two and 0:06:58.200 --> 0:06:59.280 a half foot Evan rude. 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.520 He just really between the sandbars and stuff. Yeah, like 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:07.200 he just catch a nice browns caught some people would 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:08.960 catch nice browns, like the troll on the beach. 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:12.200 He'd troll spoons and like bomber plugs and ship like that. 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.960 And when he would catch one, he'd put a notch 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:17.000 in that sucker. 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:18.360 Well, I'll tell you right now. 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:20.600 Oh really, it's like rings in New York. 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:24.320 Is that wood or is that is that a no? 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:26.040 No, it's it's a steel. 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:26.760 Rod under there. 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.560 He got sixteen but that that, uh, it's satisfying. What's 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.200 under there, steel. 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.360 Rod, what's on the outside, it's like a baton. 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.480 I don't know why you put that rubber coating on 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:40.120 there so he could cut notches into it. 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.280 Whenever Steve gets something like that in his hand, he 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:44.400 just has his look. 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.360 In his own Yeah, it's not his picture man like 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:49.800 Brody like in trivia or something. I'm just. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.520 Yep, you're wrong, but that uh, that same and Fishery 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:59.240 they changed their management for Lake Erie and went to Steelhead. 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.360 They don't manage for salmon at all anymore. Yeah, Ohio 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.440 and New York, Pennsylvania. Occasionally one shows up. I don't 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:08.080 know where they're coming from, but yeah, that that thing 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.760 didn't last long, you get it. They got like a 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:15.200 six week season for those salmon at least like inland, 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:17.480 you know, on the streams and beaches and stuff. 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:18.720 But they're not stocking the piss out. 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:21.160 It's a Steelhead game. 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:22.800 Yeah. And some of the other areas in the Great Lakes, 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:28.760 they've really started to emphasize the native lake trout right right, 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.240 do it more around there's some of those around Lake 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.880 trout recovery and not worrying so much about the Pacific send. 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.000 Yeah, there's all kinds of shit that. Like Lake Erie, 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.280 I think you used to have a commercial whitefish fishery. 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.800 Sure they don't anymore. They used to have a commercial 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.000 walleye fishery. 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.320 Still a fantastic walleye fishery. 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:47.800 Unbelievable. Yeah. 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:49.920 Is it because people don't want whitefish or there are 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:51.440 no white fish there? 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:53.440 I think it has a lot to do with the 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:55.600 pollution that they destroyed. 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:59.200 I mean, in the eighteen hundreds, they destroyed the sturgeon fishery, 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.439 they destroyed the white fish fishery. You know. One of 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.040 the biggest things they did in the Great Lakes to 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.800 ruin the fisheries in the Great Lakes, the original fisheries 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:10.480 is when they were logging all that they would raft 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:16.760 all that, they would raft all that, all those trees, 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.560 all that white pine and stuff, they would raft it 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.240 and the bark would come off. So in all the 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:28.000 bays and estuaries and stream miles during that period just 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:32.280 became covered and in some cases over twenty feet of 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:37.360 bark and destroyed yeah deep oh yeah, destroyed spawning habitats. 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:39.600 That was like one of many things. And he had, 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.120 you know, the tan like at that time, the tanneries 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:46.640 were horrible. Yeah, all kinds of pollution and some many 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.839 of those fish, like the sturgeon and the white fish 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.439 that were just very, very sensitive to any kind of disturbance. 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.600 The food sources got all screwed up, and so they 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:59.040 started just trying to backfill it with other stuff. So 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:01.599 like when I was grew up in Lake Michigan, we 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:08.000 had we had three of the five Pacific salmon. Yeah, 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:14.640 we had pinks, pinks or humpies, kings or chinook silvers 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:18.600 are co hos. I never heard of them doing dogs 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.200 or chunk dog slash chum. I never heard of them 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:26.079 doing sake. And then they up up the sky up 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.520 in Uh. Sue Saint Marie worked for a long time 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:29.319 on Atlantics. 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.000 Yeah, I Ontario to bring in the. 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:36.360 One Atlantic salmon, and they would take these Atlantics. There's 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.320 a thing. Uh. I lived up there for a short 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:40.920 period of time and did a semester at school at 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.760 Lakespeare State University, which reminds me of the Edmond Fitzgerald. 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.600 Let me tell you something about that. In a second 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:50.839 up at Lake State University, that there's this thing called 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:57.720 the Sue Edison hydro electric damn. And when water comes 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:02.679 off Lake Superior, it drops about twenty three feet, I think, 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:07.160 which forms the Sue Rapids. So Superior sits I think. 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.920 I think it's twenty three feet higher than hereon. Okay, 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.520 So the connection between Lake Superior and hereon, you know, 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.880 and it eventually obviously goes out the Saint Lawrence Seaway, 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:21.880 you know, out into the Atlantic. But that drops twenty 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:27.120 three feet through the Sue Rapids into the Saint Mary's River, 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.960 which is a very short river that then flows into Huron. 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:35.120 And they used to peel water off of not used 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.040 to they still they peel water off of the off 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:43.120 of Lake Superior on top of the falls. Run it 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.280 through town and this, like everybody calls it the power canal. 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:52.240 Run it through town and then and then get gain 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:55.800 that twenty three feet to drop right and blast it 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:59.120 through this hydro electric facility which had I don't remember 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.680 how many turbines, forty or fifty turbans or whatever. 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.760 One of the first articles, the first article I ever 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.680 sold for a chunk of change, was about fishing for 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:15.439 whitefish and steelhead in the discharge canals. 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.640 Not as far as they could get, like spotting. 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:22.600 So many mayflies. It was real silty in there, and 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:26.560 there'd be these huge mayfly hatches in that power canal. 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.439 And so when the mayflies were hatching there, all that 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.839 shit's going out that yeah, through that high through those 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:38.320 turbines and shooting back out into Saint Mary's River. And 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.360 so fish at the right time of year would just 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:44.560 jam into all of these turbine outflows. And they're like 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:50.679 these like it look similar to a underpass bridge, a cone, 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.720 like a half colvert, a half round colvert, just big 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:55.480 enough to pull a boat into. You could pull a 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:59.800 skiff into the thing. And what I wrote my article 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:04.600 bout was, uh, my brother Danny and our buddy DROs 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:06.840 they pioneered this thing, and I just would go with 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.720 them after they pioneered it. But they would on occasion 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.840 leave the bar that close it because the good turbans 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:17.240 were coveted, and they would leave the bar and just 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:21.400 go and pull in there and sleep in there, and 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.080 there's a there's the eyebolt sticking out of the top, 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:26.600 and they would just tie off, and it's warm in there, 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.760 and you're in the dam. There's probably no way they 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:35.679 let you do it. And then old men who'd get 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:39.880 up early to get the spot would get thwarted because 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.840 there's college dudes up in there sleeping and half drunk. 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:45.840 And then you just lower the rope back at daybreak 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.079 and we would take it, would take, so we would 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.480 the rig they would use. And again like they pioneered it, 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:56.480 I just benefited from them pioneering this whole strategy. They 0:13:56.480 --> 0:14:00.240 would take a fly rod. You remember those, Remember that 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.719 reel called the Martin multiplier. Remember to me to bring 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:09.400 this background to Atlantic salmon. So there was a geared 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:14.480 fly reel, so not one to one. You could take 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.080 up some serious line with a Martin replyer reel. You 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:17.520 follow me? 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:18.719 What do you? What the hell you call it? You 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:19.480 know what I'm talking about? 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:21.560 Chester, I don't know. 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.760 Like one crank on the handle is a bunch of 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:26.040 revolutions on the spool? 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.000 Yeah, it's not ringing a bell? 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:29.600 What type it in? 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.240 That's not what a center pin is. That's different, right. 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.400 Type in Martin multiplier, that's what we called them. Anyway, 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:38.920 we used to use the We used. 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:40.960 To do all the salmon and steelhead stuff with these. 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.920 These were you fishing like with a fly line. 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.680 Or just no, hear me out, all right, so you 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:50.240 would run remember that stuff called amnesia, yep, Okay, that 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.640 hard mono you'd put backing on regular amount of backing, 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:55.880 and then you'd put a bunch of amnesia on there. 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:03.920 Okay whatever, forty fifty yards amnesia, then eight feet a whatever, 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:08.720 twelve pound maxima and then a tip it depending. You 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.600 might use four pound maximum, six pound maximum off that 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:16.520 you put split shot where the heavy maximum met the 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:20.880 light maxima, and then we just do you do like 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:24.440 a little flies so for fishing this thing, and that's 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.520 what we'd use for steelhead and salmon too, but for 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.160 fishing this thing. And then you'd use a little fly 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.560 tip with a maggot and with that amnies, you'd lay 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.280 all that amnesia in the you'd get a bunch of 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.160 amnesia laid in the on the bow of the boat, 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:41.800 and you got that split shot on there, so you 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:42.360 could like. 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:46.400 You could shoot it way up into that culvert. 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:48.480 How wide was that thing? 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:49.840 How wide was the culvert? 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.560 Yeah, it'd be about the size of that wall right 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:53.160 there all right. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:54.960 Hit me with the dimensions in this room again. 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.520 Phil about fourteen by fifteen, so maybe like a twelve 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:58.680 foot tube. 0:15:58.360 --> 0:15:59.840 Shoot it up into that dark tunnel. 0:15:59.920 --> 0:16:02.440 You take that line and with all that lead on there, 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:07.880 you could just and shoot it perfectly right yeah, up 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.560 in there, and then you'd get tight on it and 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:15.040 you'd fall. It's the water's hauling ass out of there, 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.880 but it'd fall, and you'd be able to stand there. 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:19.960 You could stand there and look that water so strong, 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:21.760 the current so strong coming out of your boats. 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.680 You on your boat is in a fast current, boat 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.280 swinging back and forth. And if it was a clear 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.920 day with the right sun, you'd look down and see 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:34.320 whitefish and steel head darting all around down in there. 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.320 But you'd shoot it way up into the turbine in 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:40.480 order to get down ten twelve, fourteen feet down, and 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:42.920 you'd be hooking them right under your boots so. 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.600 Much, and then when you hook one with all that current. 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.320 Oh, they blast back behind you. 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:55.480 Not exactly a purest fly fishing method, because the mag Yeah. 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:58.840 Those are just multiplier reels, multiplier reels large like a 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:00.880 large arbor multipliery. 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:02.240 Yeh, God, it was fun. 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:04.680 Man sounds, Steve, sounds like you need like a jiggen 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.840 rap or something back then shrap. 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:17.320 So the the university somehow the Sioux Edison Electric thing 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:21.360 had gifted a couple of these turbans to Lake State 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:25.480 University's fisheries program. Okay, And there was a guy there 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.280 at that fisheries program who was dicking around with trying 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:29.640 to introduce atlantics. 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.439 That was back when they're still okay with introducing all 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:34.040 kinds of crazy stuff. 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:39.800 And he converted some of these hydro electric channels into 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:47.040 rearing habitat because he's just running actual river water, right, 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.800 He's running like high velocity river water through this thing. 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:53.480 And you'd go in there and they'd take I watched 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:55.480 or do it one time they take they take a 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.919 bunch of row from a fish. I mean literally in 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:01.200 a five gallon bucket. You got a bunch of fish 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.720 eggs in a five gown bucket. You dump in like 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:07.000 a scoop a seamen, stir it up with a paddle, 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.159 and it's ready to go, yeah, fertilized. And so they 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:14.400 had these raceways and they would rear these atlantics in 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.639 these raceways. So we're talking like like I can't remember it. 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.200 Let's say it was forty some of pulp picture pulp 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.720 su Edison hydro electric dam. You can count the turbans. 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:27.800 Let's say there's forty turbines the university owned, like turbine two, three, four, 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.719 and he'd raise atlantics in one of these, in two 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:32.320 of these turbues. 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:33.880 How are they keeping them in there? 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.320 That just because it was all retro fitted. It was 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.159 like he was just using this spot where all this 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:42.320 natural river water to come through. And I don't I 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.080 can't remember how they break up, but it just looked 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:48.000 like these little fish tray raceways. It had actual temperature 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:53.479 controlled water coming through them. And he'd rear Atlantics in 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:57.640 this thing. Okay, there's eight, like, no way more eight? 0:18:57.760 --> 0:18:59.120 Oh, here we go. Here it is. 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.280 Chester report back in a second. Chrinis is what the 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.760 whole show is about. 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.680 So but hear me out. 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:14.840 This is just gonna start getting interesting now it hasn't 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.919 been yet, No, so check this out. So it was 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.280 like turbine number I can't remember what it was. Let's 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:23.680 let's say it was turbine number five was the Atlantic 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:31.840 salmon raceway. Okay, he'd rear them in there until they 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.959 were of whatever the hell size Atlantic salmon is when 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:36.600 it goes back to the ocean. 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.000 And then cut them loose right there. 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:43.040 They Yeah, so you know how salmon returns to its 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:51.720 natal spawning stream. These Atlantics had go out, okay and 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:55.440 get big, get huge, and no sons of bitches would 0:19:55.480 --> 0:20:00.080 come back, and I'm not kidding you. To the raceway 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.720 number five, they had to fence it off. 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:07.880 Raceway number five would be stacked with giant Atlantics who 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:08.760 were like, I'm. 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:10.960 Home, anyone home? 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:15.040 Yeah, I'm not kiddy man, huge Atlantic salmon's. And then 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:21.000 raceway would I say five, yeah, okay. Raceway four and 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:26.600 six would have some like two or three, right, Raceway 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.600 seven and three might have one, but they were in. 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:34.200 They knew what that smelled like, and they were like there. 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:36.520 And the reason they had to fence it off is 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:40.240 because the Jibwe they had snagging rights, like the native 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.960 tribe there had snagging rights, but they sort of felt 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:46.040 like these Atlantics kind of fell outside and snagging right, 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.320 So they had to fence it off so they couldn't 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:50.720 cast a snag and hooking air and drag those Atlantics 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:53.440 back out of there. That's what I was getting at, right. 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:53.840 Mm hm. 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:56.520 Great Lakes fisheries. 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:01.560 Oh Brody's little beaten stick. It was a nice beating stick. 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:06.040 Yeah, okay. 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:06.560 Uh. 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:08.840 Now to bring this full circle back to the Edmund 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:11.000 fits oh when we're doing the when we're doing the 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:13.560 book tour. I don't think Brody caught this because he 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.480 was off bs of the trivia fans. But a guy 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:19.840 comes up to me and he says, he's like, dude, 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:22.280 what in the world is what the Edmund Fitzgerald thing? 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:22.760 All the time? 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:23.920 No, I didn't hear any of that. 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.800 You wanted to complain about it, so I couldn't really 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:33.920 explain it. He never even listened to the song. He's 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:34.880 just filing a complaint. 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:38.600 A lot of people come up to file complaints stuff. 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:41.800 Uh, well, I told you. Were you here when I 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:43.280 told you about what? Someone came up to me and 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:44.199 talk about with Krin. 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:49.080 I don't know put on for this that she Uh 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:50.679 they thought she looked smart. 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:52.679 They couldn't figure out why she did so bad at trivia, 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:54.400 and they looked at her picture and it was especially 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:56.600 confounding because she looks so smart. 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:00.320 Uh smart and getting You know, it. 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:05.800 Had eighty turbine chambers. Does that sound right? And only 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:08.440 forty of which were used when the plant was operated? 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:11.560 Yeah, that could be. That sounds about right now. 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:13.320 I counted, but it was it was hard. 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:15.520 I can't remember the numbers, But I think that we 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:17.960 used to have a real affinity for like twenty four 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:19.800 and twenty six or something like that, acause they were 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:24.560 higher velocity for some reason. Dude, I wish I yeah, 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:26.240 I'd like to go back there and hit that fishery. 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:27.639 God, I was a lot of I was going to 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:29.440 ask you if you know if it's still going on there. 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:31.160 Dude, we were at Lake State, Man, we lived off 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:34.840 the land. Seriously, me and my roommates. We ate four 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:35.800 deer between. 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:36.360 Air and white fish. 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:38.000 We ate four deer. 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:41.800 Between October one archery opener and Christmas break and hound. 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:43.520 You get all that hunt and fishing done if you 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:44.080 were in school. 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:45.680 Just didn't take the school too seriously. 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:47.560 That's why I transferred out. 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:47.760 Man. 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:48.440 That's an old trick. 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:52.680 People don't realize if you live in a state. If 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:54.960 you live in a state like Michigan has this deal 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:57.960 where if you bounce round, like I went to three colleges, right, 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:01.840 if you bounce around, the other colleges will accept your 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:06.800 credit hours, but they don't care about the GPA. So 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:09.000 if you're in Michigan, this is a hot tip for 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:13.400 michigan Anders. If you're in Michigan. Never start where you're 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:19.800 gonna finish and your finishing school. How many credit hours 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:21.080 is like a college degree? 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:24.159 I think it's like no. I think it might be 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:28.240 one hundred and eighty. 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:30.560 Say, they might dictate to you that they want you 0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:33.000 to wrap her up like they want you to get 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:36.080 the final eighty or whatever. 0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:37.640 It is like a school. Like, let's say you wind 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:38.359 up at MSU. 0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:41.280 Spencer's right, it's because it'd be eight times fifteen, roughly 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:42.000 one hundred and twenty. 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:45.320 Okay, So let's say you're going to land at where 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:47.760 where I landed at. I landed at Grand Valley State 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:51.680 University just to close her out, Okay, Grand Valley State 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:53.800 is going to dictate to you that they're like to 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:56.080 get a degrief. Must you have to get your final 0:23:56.560 --> 0:24:02.479 X number of hours from I think I actually had 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:04.639 to do more credit hours and was normal. I had 0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:06.320 to do like an extra few because I needed to 0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:12.840 hit their minimum requirement. You go to other schools, easy ones, and. 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:15.919 When's where you can fish and hunt there hunt fishing. 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:19.639 All you got to do is pass. Okay, serious, this 0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:21.600 is I'm not joking, this is true. All you have 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:21.960 to do is. 0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:24.480 Pass, so your goal is definitely not to learn anything. 0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:28.080 No, all you have to do is pass. 0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:29.800 You go to where you want to go. 0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:33.960 Then you got to do good yep, and you get 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:37.160 you leave with a fake gpa, You get a you 0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:40.080 graduate with a gpa that is not reflective of your 0:24:40.440 --> 0:24:44.320 college experience. It's only reflective of where you wrapped her up. 0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:47.840 So I wrapped her up at GVSU and I walked 0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:49.399 out of there was like a three six something. 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:53.040 Yeah, go mess around when you're taking all that jen 0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:55.880 ed shit. You're your freshman sophomore year. 0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:59.399 So I did two years of night classes at my 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:02.200 local commut unity college. My first two years of college 0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:04.280 night classes, I didn't go down until six at night. 0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:06.560 Were you still living back in twin. 0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:11.680 I was trappeh trapped all day, hunted all day, whatever 0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:14.600 else had going on. Chop Firewood went to school at night, 0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:17.400 walked out of there, and I was in the same position. 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:21.840 Is all these jokers that were working hard and in 0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:24.320 the end had a good GPA and got into good 0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:25.160 graduate program. 0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:26.080 Yeah I would have. 0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:26.760 I would have. 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:29.119 I would have taken you for a little bit higher 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:30.640 than a three six kind of guy. 0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:32.159 Three six is pretty much. 0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:33.840 That's pretty high. 0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:35.960 That's high man is great. 0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:37.920 I wasn't sure when that was going to turn into 0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:40.760 a hot tip. But it's a hot tip, No it is. Yeah, 0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:43.000 there's so MU should do a pamphlet. But you've got 0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:44.640 to remember how old I am. Like they might have changed, 0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:47.040 they might have figured this out and caught up to people. 0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:49.720 Did you use a common practice among my social circle? 0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:51.600 Did you brew your own beer in college too? 0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:56.560 But my my brother's brewed beer in high school? 0:25:57.440 --> 0:25:59.280 Did that work out for them? 0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:02.720 The problem they would have is it would get a 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:06.600 quarter inch of white stuff on the bottom and it 0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:10.080 didn't matter. You'd have to open it so gradually and 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:15.160 gently to not disturb the yeast, you know, like most 0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:17.520 parents like, you can't drink in high school for whatever reason, 0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:19.399 Like we weren't supposed to drink, but for every reason. 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.399 If they like, they wouldn't make this beard. It was 0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:24.119 just my parents were fine with it. I thought it 0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:24.879 was interesting. 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:29.240 I had buddies who got like beer making. Kids had 0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:31.399 garage sales and they had dollar signs in their eyes, 0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:34.600 like thinking of how far ahead we're gonna come. Yeah, 0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:36.640 they never never worked out. They never made a big man. 0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:41.040 No, God, I had some other thing I was gonna 0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:47.719 add in here, something about not being oh krint, I 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:51.359 know we had a whole plan, but you got a 0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:52.000 talking point. 0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:55.600 I got to add one thing about fish priests. 0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:56.600 Yeah, then I'm done. 0:26:57.160 --> 0:26:59.840 This is exciting, though I can't wait fish priests. 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:02.720 When I wasn't allowed to get bad grades in high school, 0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:05.040 like I had to get an A or B. If 0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:07.080 I got a's or b's, nothing bad happened to me. 0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:11.000 And in wood shop I got a bad grade because 0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:12.680 we had to do a lathe project. 0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:15.040 It seems unlike you woodshop. 0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:18.960 Well, because for the lathe project, I made a large 0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:19.800 wooden mallet. 0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:25.800 It's the it spins wood, then you use the tools, 0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:27.240 and so we had to laminate. 0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:29.600 We were supposed to laminate a stack of wood together 0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:33.000 and then lathe it into something cool. And I lathed 0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:36.320 mine into like a very coarse cylinder, drilled a hole 0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:37.679 in it and put a handle in it, so that 0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:40.040 I had a big, heavy wooden mallet. That I was 0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:42.879 saying it was like a fish priest. Got bad grade 0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:45.719 and my dad took me down to school to have 0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:49.119 a like arranged a little conference. I got a C minus. 0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:51.760 But that why would you get a bad grade for that. 0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:53.200 That's that doesn't seem. 0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:57.760 People were making really cool stuff. They're making lamp stands, 0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:04.440 and I made a blocker. I made an eight inch cylinder, 0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:12.240 and it was like, well, I made a Most guys 0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.480 were making cool stuff, or they were making their parents 0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:15.360 lamp stands. 0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:15.680 Okay. 0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:18.159 I I thought I've been drilling them out and warning them. 0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:19.560 I was like, oh, I use a handle. 0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:22.760 I thought that the teacher was being unfair and kind 0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:25.760 of judging you, not on your level of relative level 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:28.199 of skill, but on the fact that you were making 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:30.439 something used to you know, he. 0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:33.760 Thought I was being a smart ass, and he thought 0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:35.720 I was being a slacker, both of which are true. 0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:37.280 And I don't know. 0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:39.240 We just wanted to go back to sniff and wood glue. 0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:40.400 I don't know. 0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:46.719 Anyhow, Well, you got to tell us, what would your 0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:47.360 old man do? 0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:50.240 Oh? He was pissed and took me down, pissed at 0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:52.440 you were pissed at the pissed at me. I got 0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:54.920 you took me down and humiliated me in front of 0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:57.240 the teacher, and then I had to improve my grade. 0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:01.600 Would you remember what I made? After that? He was 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:03.680 he was not happy, and my dad was big woodwork 0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:05.360 or so kind of stunn you know. Yeah, it'd be 0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:07.360 like one of my kids got a bad grade and hunting. 0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:23.600 Should I skip this thing about the Edmond Fitzgerald, I'll 0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:23.880 put it. 0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:24.440 I'll say this. 0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:28.680 You know when David Grant was on and he said 0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.680 all those things that have a maritime back, that was 0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:42.440 so interesting, under the weather, under the ah, three sheets 0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:42.880 to the wind. 0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:45.959 It's like one more good one that we say all 0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:47.400 the time. We have no idea what. 0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:49.920 I forgot. 0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:56.640 It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to get Dan pressed. 0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:01.880 Okay, whole pilum. 0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:06.360 Yeah, that's that's underwriter, an insurance underwriter. 0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:10.560 I just I just googled marry time or nautical phrases. 0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:15.720 Pipe down one of them, batting down the hatches, dry, 0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:25.360 scuttle butt, threw thick and thin, smooth sailing, seems obvious. Yeah, 0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:26.160 down the hatch. 0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:30.160 Yeah. Sure, you're saying a lot of them, aren't that interesting? 0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:33.360 It was, you know, it was interesting to listen to 0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:34.600 you struggle to come up with that. 0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:37.960 You felt that was more interesting. 0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:44.320 Hear me, hear me, do not say he broke. I know, 0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:45.640 I was having a great moment. I was having a 0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:48.760 great hosting moment, and the Spencer came in and ruined it. 0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:55.440 Underwriting is a maritime insurance thing. Like in the old 0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:58.520 days they would, uh, it's kind of interesting. So he 0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:01.560 so the connection Edvan Fitzgerald, and this is the last 0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:04.920 note on the Edmond fits the boat was that the 0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:07.280 boat was actually owned by an insurance company. It was 0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:11.600 owned by Northwestern Mutual Insurance Company out of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:16.320 The company had invested a lot of their earnings in 0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:20.800 iron ore and mineral mining. The Edmund Fitzgerald was just 0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:24.640 the CEO of Northwestern Mutual when they built the ship. 0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:29.320 Had no idea that that is not cool. That's like 0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:31.720 in the old days. In the old days, you would 0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:34.400 it was okay for you to name birds and animals 0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:41.600 after yourself. That's considered not cool anymore. What's his name, 0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:42.960 barn No. 0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:45.800 Stellar Stellar. He's got all kind parents. 0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:49.040 Stellar Stellar's like I'll take that Ja, I'll take that 0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:52.880 sea lion or whatever. Lewis everything you saw, yeah, Lewis. 0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:57.440 And now it's it's uncool. You don't name stuff after 0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:00.600 yourself anymore. There's a movement now to give things names 0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:02.880 from indigenous people's indigenous language. 0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:05.960 It also seems fashionable and name things after other people though, 0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:09.160 Like Edinburgh has a lot of things named after him 0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:09.960 that he didn't discover. 0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:12.240 Yeah, but that's I think that's that's okay. 0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:15.960 Uh, because you're paying you're like paying homage, You're paying 0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:22.600 amage homage. This guy, he's like, I got a great 0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:23.440 name for the boat. 0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:28.200 He helped bring baseball back to Milwaukee, is what I'm 0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:29.040 reading too. 0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:29.800 In your head? 0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:32.800 Who was Edmund Fitzgerald before you learned this? Never thought 0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:34.080 about it like a war captain. 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:40.720 That never was to me. Uh. They used to be 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:44.000 able to publicly, you would publicly sell insurance on cargoes 0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:49.760 and vessels. An underwriter was just someone that would write there, 0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:54.160 literally write their name under the post looking for insurers. 0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:56.040 That is pretty interesting. 0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:04.280 Uh Oh remember how I was saying, Well, I feel 0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:06.520 like if this happened today, it'd be a conspiracy theory. 0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:08.560 No, certainly, like. 0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:11.960 An insurance company guy named it after himself to get 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:13.560 famous when it sank. 0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:17.280 Couldn't happen. You know. One of my favorite movies, I 0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:18.720 don't like the book, but I like the movie that 0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:23.120 doesn't happen very often is Inherent Vice. And there's a 0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:27.280 prominent character and Inherent Vice, played by Benicio del Toro 0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:35.320 is a maritime lawyer and inherent vice, so it's a 0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:42.680 Thomas Pinchon novel. Inherent Vice in maritime insurance is all 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:46.920 the things that one can't control, like shipping on the seas, 0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:51.960 there's inherent vice. Things rot, things get wet. Whatever. It's like, 0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:54.240 you know when you see like act of God stuff. 0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:58.000 Inherent vice is just stuff's gonna happen to the cargo. 0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:04.400 Two pieces that came out from so does. 0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:06.960 We've had a podcast guest on I believe maybe a 0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:09.239 couple times at our Neett who used to be the 0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:14.160 chief scientist that Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership and he left. 0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:16.360 He rsp on great terms. 0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:19.080 Because he got to go and be the CEO of 0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:24.400 the Wildlife Society. And the Wildlife Society funds and orchestrates. 0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:26.799 They might be screwing this up. Someone looked that up. 0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:29.239 What do they call their mission statement? They fund an 0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:31.240 orchestrate wildlife research. 0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:37.520 Spencer's got it. 0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:37.480 Best, Typer. 0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:39.800 What is the Wildlife Society's mission statement? 0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:46.279 Our mission is to inspire, empower and enable wildlife professionals. 0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:49.640 Starts with giving you the resources to succeed. 0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:53.200 Yeah, there you go. So they published a lot of 0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:56.480 new wildlife research coming out and there's two that ed 0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:59.120 passed aloandis recently one. I had caught one of this, 0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:04.120 but this this is like a month old now or so. 0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:07.799 Florida just became the latest state to have for them 0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:09.720 to have found c w D in Florida. 0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:10.279 M hm. 0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:12.160 Uh. 0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:14.880 And you know the odds that you found the first 0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:16.480 deer that shows you know, you're right, it could have 0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:19.200 been could have been there for years. They just found it, 0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:22.440 you know, with enough testing they found a deer with 0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:25.239 c w D. So Florida is now the that's a 0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:28.640 good question for you. Spencer, is now the blank state 0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:29.880 to have c w D. 0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:33.759 I'm guessing it's got to be high thirties or say forty. 0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:34.920 That would be a good tributa question. Why don't you 0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:36.040 find the answer to that, Spencer? 0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:40.759 And it was because a roadway accident of vehicular Is 0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:41.120 that where the. 0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:42.400 Deer came from? 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:43.960 Testing roadkill? 0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:44.319 Yes? 0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:52.440 Yes, huh, because hunters probably don't really get him tested 0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:52.960 too much. 0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:59.399 I mean, I mean there's a massive amounts of there's 0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:01.080 no way that I bet you anything. 0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:01.960 There's more hunter tested. 0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:04.040 I don't know this for a fact, but I bet 0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:06.480 you there's more hunter tested deer than roadkill test the 0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:09.719 deer in Florida. Oh, Florida. I don't know. Yeah, I'm 0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:12.560 I'm just saying Florida in a super populated state like that. 0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:15.680 This was the white tailed deer had been struck by 0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:21.239 a vehicle in Holmes County, and Florida Fish and Wildlife 0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:25.880 Conservation Commission confirmed the presence of chronic wasting disease in 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:29.280 this wild deer that was killed on the highway. 0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:32.600 This this says thirty one US states and four Canadian provinces. 0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:36.800 That's as of June sixteen, twenty twenty three. From the USGS. 0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:41.080 Alaska and Hawaii will obviously be the holdouts. 0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:45.759 We're talking to. That guy on the book Toy said, 0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:49.800 Utah hasn't had any yet is a surprise. 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:53.280 Yeah, I think it's the current. 0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:54.960 What's there? 0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:56.960 This map shows Utah is full of it. 0:36:57.040 --> 0:37:01.040 Yeah. Oh, with current regular under current guidelines and the 0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:02.799 way they're handling it right now, in the way that 0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:06.200 the USDA is looking at deer breeders and stuff. It's 0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:10.040 everybody will have it except for Hawaiian except for Hawaii. 0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:12.680 In Alaska, and Alaska's. 0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:14.960 Getting you know, they get muledier coming into Alaska now 0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:20.560 and then and it's shoot on site for meal to Alaska. Uh. 0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:21.560 Another one. 0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:23.600 And we've talked about this a bunch but and I 0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:26.520 haven't really looked into this, but sometimes you'll live in 0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:29.880 a state and there might not be any wild pigs 0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:31.359 in your state, or there might be a few wild 0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:33.840 pigs in your state, and they will all of a 0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:36.160 sudden say it's illegal to hunt wild pigs. And you'd 0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:40.279 say to yourself, well, that seems stupid. If we're trying 0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:42.480 to get rid of wild pigs, why would it be 0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:47.200 illegal to kill wild pigs. What's motivating that legislation is 0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:52.520 they realize that the like what is caught not not CWD? 0:37:53.080 --> 0:38:01.160 Here talk about another thing that spreads Hunters spread wild Yeah, 0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:03.239 pig enthusiasts, enthusiasts. 0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:05.520 It's weird when you go down to some of those places, 0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:09.760 you know, down in like Texas and in Florida, because 0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:12.239 they'd be people would be like, I kind of you know, 0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:14.880 I want you to get all the pigs off my property. 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:18.799 But then they're also like they like like having them around. Oh, 0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:21.160 you know, there's like this weird vibe there. 0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:23.400 It's a hobby of mine. Is I like to ask 0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:27.200 landowners who complain about pigs if they could too. There's 0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:29.520 two questions. I'm like, if you could make it wave 0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:33.319 a magic wand and they just would be gone. I've 0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:38.439 never met someone that said yes there. I was like, wow, yeah, 0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:41.520 not all of them, Yeah, because they know people like 0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:44.440 to eat them. Yeah, people like to eat them. And 0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:45.960 the other thing is, and you always bring this up 0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:49.040 to people, is like Cal was telling a landowner Hawaii 0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:53.240 this they're talking about complaining about the pigs, and Cal said, 0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:55.800 I know how you can get rid of all these pigs. 0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:58.840 Put up a big sign that says please hunt this 0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:01.799 property for sure. And the person said, you know what 0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:04.680 kind of people we'd get on this property if we 0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:13.799 did that, to which Kel said, barbecuers. Uh tails, I 0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:15.400 talking about the pigs. 0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:17.200 Oh, so there's this. 0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:21.080 There's this also this thing in a wildlife society article, 0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:28.239 like a like a journal article that state that that 0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:31.560 there's that this article is arguing that states that are 0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:39.439 being strict around strict around not being able to move 0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:42.879 wild hogs, not being able to hunt wild hogs, right 0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:46.040 like very lined in the sand about wild hogs are 0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:49.279 slowing the spread more than states that are facilitating the 0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:50.720 hunting of wild hogs. 0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:52.640 Makes sense that it's effective. 0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:55.839 Yeah, and whenever look, you know Missouri. I remember being 0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:59.279 in Missouri where they were like like I can't. I 0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:02.200 was talking to a wild hog expert and he was like, 0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:06.200 they were categorically that's how they're there. They're there from 0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:09.320 people that go down south and they like hunting hogs, 0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:11.839 and why not have them closer to home. 0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:12.359 Yeah. 0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:17.839 We talked the today about when we uh when we 0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:24.759 had that zeb zeb Hogan. We're talking about fish that 0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:28.480 are tolerant. We spent a lot of time on fish 0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:32.200 that can handle fresh an, salt water or not. And 0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:34.200 we were talking about the spread of northern pike out 0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:37.400 of the siouxsitting a drainage where they were introduced by 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:39.799 someone that likes to fish northerns and how from that 0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:42.280 drainage are then bouncing to other drainages by just swimming 0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:45.919 out into salt water and coming back going these fish 0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:47.279 And they can see it when they take these fish 0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:48.800 out of these other systems. They can look at the 0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:51.120 stable isotopes and they can see where that fish was. 0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:55.080 That fish has marine stable isotopes where that fish was 0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.880 spending time in the ocean and then shot up a 0:40:57.880 --> 0:40:58.840 different river system. 0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:02.080 That's an they're spreading through the ocean. 0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:05.719 Really, I wonder how long they can. I've got a 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:06.440 lot of questions. 0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:09.480 Now his ask gets washed out or whatever, I don't know, 0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:12.319 goes on a tour and he's like, I gotta get 0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:15.160 out of here, I don't know, and find some stream 0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:17.680 and shoots up it and then finds a boy or 0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:19.000 girl to make love to. 0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:24.000 Well the pit it's illegal to hunt him here, right, Pigs. 0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:25.600 And mont the band hog hunt them Montana. 0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:27.879 I think they might have, but I want to know, 0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:31.799 Like I'd love to talk to someone from FWP to know, 0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:37.560 like if they feel like it's a serious threat from Canada. 0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:41.040 They branded it, what do they call him? Northern super 0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:42.120 hard right right? 0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:43.440 I want to know if it's like. 0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:45.000 Yeah, you know what, you know what? 0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:45.279 Uh? 0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:48.840 We covered that and I get all I spent all 0:41:48.880 --> 0:41:51.240 this time, my kids all worked up about Canadian super 0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:55.239 hawks Like it's I say some So listen, there's the 0:41:55.280 --> 0:41:58.879 old kind of hog. Does the whole world over? Any 0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:01.160 pig year eight, any piece of bacon you ever ate, 0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:04.080 anyone you ever talked to hunting wild hogs in America. 0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:04.799 Same thing. 0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:10.680 It's sus scrafa. It's it's that's okay. 0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:13.600 The only thing that can take down those Canadian superhogs 0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:15.120 is a Canadian super wolf. 0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:19.279 Yep. So it's suscraffa. Yeah, and he's all worked up 0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:22.319 about Canadian super hogs. And I realized that on our 0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:25.759 own website when we covered that group, that population of 0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:30.560 hogs that are north of Montana, the best Canadian super hogs. 0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:32.080 It's what a great name. 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:37.000 Yeah, it's like the Wisconsin super sou and Canadian superhogs. 0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:39.680 But it's it's it can be. 0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:44.759 They're demonstrating here that that those regulations which strike you 0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:47.800 as being so counterintuitive, if you don't. 0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:49.280 Want hogs, why would we not hunt. 0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:56.240 Them, that it's actually effective in preventing the introduction of hogs. 0:42:56.719 --> 0:43:00.600 I mean those outfitters and stuff down and axis, they 0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:04.359 make some a serious living, you know, making sure they 0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:07.040 have hogs on their properties. 0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:08.120 Mm hmm. 0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:10.240 I mean it's got it. They've got to be moved 0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:12.920 around and trapped. And I bet you some of those 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:16.479 guys buy hogs. You know, if they're starting to get low. 0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:18.200 It wouldn't surprise me. 0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:19.120 Brandon Butler. 0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:22.759 When we were hunting in Missouri for turks, he took 0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:27.000 me out and showed me like sort of wildcat hog traps. 0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:30.160 The dudes are just going out in the woods to 0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:33.960 construct from catching their own hogs in areas that have 0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:37.239 them so they could bring them to bring them to 0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:37.919 places that don't. 0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:38.680 Uh. 0:43:38.880 --> 0:43:44.200 Quick correction, A couple of corrections. So you know, we 0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:46.440 always point out that doctor Randall is the only doctor 0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:47.640 that works at this company. 0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:51.520 That's who are we leaving out. 0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:54.680 Well, Jordan Siller's like kind of quietly snuck in with 0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:57.600 a PhD. Does have time to be getting a PhD. 0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:01.719 I to get one of those. I need to figure 0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:05.160 out how to get one. What's his pH d in? 0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:08.440 It's in English? So, speaking of our Meat Eater website, 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:11.359 he I don't know if he was the person who 0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:13.120 wrote that article on the super hogs. 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:14.520 What's shaking your head about? 0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:26.400 Okay, because it's like, dud, Jordan, It's like, that's cool. 0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:30.359 It's not philosophy, and I have a I have an 0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:32.960 advanced I'll point out I have the. 0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:39.080 Old you know, I just don't have a pH d. 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:45.560 So on our episode Glassing for sheds, which is quite 0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:49.680 a while ago now when we had bed Ben Detamantian, 0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:56.440 we were talking about can you say strewed. 0:44:57.360 --> 0:45:01.520 And that was in the context of of a of 0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:07.799 antlers and uh shed antler piles being found found by 0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:13.600 like seas not found seized by and then cut up 0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:17.520 like dog treats and thrown across or scattered across. 0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:22.439 Hear me out, so as Crena said, so a guy 0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:25.359 got bosted for hunting sheds ahead of time before an 0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:29.879 area was and he'd even cut some up. So down 0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:32.200 in Wyoming, they just go back out and they scatter 0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:34.400 him about so people can rEFInd. 0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:37.040 Him the cut up ones, even the cut up. 0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:40.080 You're finding, which I was pointing out. 0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:42.879 It was a little bit like like Easter egg hunt, right, 0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:46.960 you know, like someone just was touching that egg earlier today, 0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:49.840 so uh do you know. 0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:51.279 Right they're chili me. 0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:53.600 Yeah, great, can't got your tongue. 0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:56.600 You guys are pull that mic up close. 0:45:57.800 --> 0:45:59.560 You guys are just talking having grand all the time. 0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:07.400 So I said that they went and strewed him about 0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:10.719 the landscape, and I thought that can't be a word 0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:15.400 and our and this is coming from an actual pH 0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:18.400 D in English, in English of all things. 0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:23.319 So he would your PhD be in I don't think 0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:23.799 you can get. 0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:26.400 A PhD in what I studied, Okay, but if you 0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:29.239 were going to get a PhD, definitely not would work. 0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:32.439 Oh if I was going to go now, I would 0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:34.280 pursue a pH d in American history? 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:36.560 Or would you go to law school? 0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:38.759 Well, no, that's a whole different deal. 0:46:38.840 --> 0:46:42.560 They're not, you know, the whole ticket in raffle. 0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:45.719 To study sleep, steaks, and an expert on that. 0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:47.600 Yeah, I would love to be. 0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:50.919 A world expert, world expert on sweep stakes and raffle man. 0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:58.720 It comes from the Old English Struian ustre Oian, meaning 0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:01.759 to scatter. I think the reason it sounds weird is 0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:04.520 because it seems to be used most commonly as the 0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:12.040 past participle strewn. That's right. Past participles are words formed 0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:16.600 from verbs that can be used as an adjective to 0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:18.759 form perfect verb. 0:47:18.840 --> 0:47:21.520 Tenses, as in, they were strewn across the. 0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:25.400 Land and to form the passive voice, which your English 0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:28.520 teachers will be out of you eventually. So people would 0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:32.400 usually use the passive voice. The sheds were strewn, were 0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:38.480 strewn on the landscape, as opposed to the active wildlife 0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:43.560 officials strewed the shed on the landscape. 0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:46.719 Can you say it? Look at those guys strewing antlers? 0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:48.879 Oh yeah, all right. 0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:54.480 We recently had an episode called The Guru Comes Up 0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:55.600 for Air? Is that crarect? 0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:01.080 Oh right there? Episode four or fifty two The Guru 0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:05.560 Comes Up for Air, in which we interviewed a formal apostle, 0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:12.359 a former apostle of the Health Guru, wim Hoff, who 0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:17.200 has strayed from the orthodoxy, to question some of his 0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:22.080 judgment and character. In this we got to talk about 0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:24.960 shallow water blackouts and yeah, I don't think he wasn't 0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:26.600 familiar with shadow water blackout. 0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:31.960 I think perhaps he's familiar. Yeah, go ahead, Brody. 0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:35.759 Well, it felt like you were talking about one thing 0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:38.160 and he was talking because he said he mentioned shallow 0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:40.680 water blackout. But it was like, I felt like, you 0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:42.640 guys are talking about two different things. 0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:44.439 And I feel like we weren't. We weren't totally clear 0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:45.799 as to why I was called. 0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:46.600 Well, yeah, I wasn't there. 0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:50.080 I was like, my understanding, I told him, my understanding 0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:52.240 is that maybe I'm wrong. My understanding is that people 0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:55.439 tend to black out by the surface and that's where 0:48:55.480 --> 0:48:57.560 why shallow water blackout? But I didn't really know, so 0:48:57.640 --> 0:48:59.400 a lot of people wrote in. Greg Fonce wrote in 0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:02.359 about this. It's called shallow water blackout, but I'm using 0:49:02.400 --> 0:49:06.120 this one because it's so it's so perfect the connection 0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:09.879 to watch this. Remember how we were talking about sus 0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:15.600 Saint Marie earlier. I do well, A Navy seal wrote 0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:18.560 in to offer a correction, points out, I was born 0:49:18.600 --> 0:49:20.879 and raised in Sus Saint Marie, Michigan, Wow, and grew 0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:25.960 up two blocks from Lake State University, active duty seal. 0:49:27.600 --> 0:49:33.440 He teaches UH seal medics dive medicine. Okay, so he 0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:37.000 teaches future seal medics dive medicine, which is why he 0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:42.800 wants to put so highly credentialed. Here's why free divers 0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:45.239 and others dive. Here's why when they black out, they 0:49:45.280 --> 0:49:49.840 blackout at the surface. This will tickle your fancy. I 0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:52.400 could do the short and palatable, or I could do 0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:55.640 long and boring. He gives the option, Let's go with 0:49:55.719 --> 0:50:01.400 long and boring. He starts out by saying the pathophysiology 0:50:01.520 --> 0:50:08.360 is long and drawn out. Okay, follow me. The pressure 0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:12.560 at depth pushes blood from the thoracic cavity to the 0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:18.080 peripheral space like the brain, because the lungs aren't taking 0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:19.360 up much volume. 0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:22.240 Smaller lungs use less blood. 0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:28.759 So you have air and under pressure, right that it 0:50:28.840 --> 0:50:31.160 shrinks your lungs squeeze in it. 0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:35.840 That's why like trachia squeezes, lung squeezes like an issue 0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:37.840 people can get when they're diving at depth. 0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:40.440 Yeah, and I'll point out here he doesn't have this 0:50:40.560 --> 0:50:43.920 in there. But I'll point out you can't compress You 0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:46.960 can pressurize water, but you can't compress water. Like no 0:50:46.960 --> 0:50:48.919 matter how much pressure you put on water, you don't 0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:51.560 make it smaller, right, you know it doesn't. It's still 0:50:52.000 --> 0:50:54.720 volume wise, it still takes up the same volume air 0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:58.680 under pressure, you can pressurize air, it takes up less volume. 0:50:59.200 --> 0:51:02.520 So when you dive down, and they talk about atmospheres, 0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:06.920 so it's like thirty feet, sixty feet, ninety feet correlates 0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:10.920 to these these different atmospheres at which pressure becomes noticeably different. 0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:16.319 So when you go down, your lungs shrink because you're 0:51:16.360 --> 0:51:18.719 full of air. You went down on a full breath hold. 0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:21.399 Like I mentioned when I was teaching my boy how 0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:23.479 to hold his breath I'll say, imagine filling your ball 0:51:23.520 --> 0:51:27.319 sack with air. You're feeling your breathe so deep, you're 0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:28.520 feeling your testicles there. 0:51:28.680 --> 0:51:32.160 Could he imagine that he laughed okay, and. 0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:34.799 Then the air came out, and then he lost all 0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:35.160 his air. 0:51:36.840 --> 0:51:39.040 You're breathing that deep, but you go down and all 0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:41.879 of a sudden, it's pushing less. 0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:46.719 So he's saying that when this happens, blood. 0:51:46.440 --> 0:51:50.080 Is moving out of there all right, and the increase 0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:54.120 in blood being pushed to the brain, So more blood 0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:58.520 is shoved to your brain, which compensates for the lower 0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:03.319 arterial oxen saturation that occurs when your body metabolizes the 0:52:03.360 --> 0:52:09.680 oxygen deering your breath hold. So you're got a big 0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:14.200 bunch of air and all that blood goes in and 0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:16.880 the blood's going somewhere, so you're sending more oxygenated blood 0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:19.799 goes to your brain, right, which helps compensate for the 0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:24.719 fact that you're not breathing now now the ascent you're ascending. 0:52:25.360 --> 0:52:29.120 When you ascend, if you were so borderlined, that the 0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:33.320 only thing keeping your oxygen saturation in an acceptable range 0:52:33.360 --> 0:52:38.879 for consciousness generally twenty five to twenty mmhg's whatever the hell. 0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:46.759 That means, all of. 0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:49.719 A sudden, your lungs, as you knew the surface, your 0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:51.360 lungs fully expand. 0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:55.160 And it pulls that blood out from your your noggin. 0:52:55.000 --> 0:52:57.560 That extra blood that was hanging out up there. 0:52:59.280 --> 0:53:01.319 Your lungs go because now, like the whole thing with 0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:04.000 the Benz, right now, your lungs are well, the bends different. 0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:06.760 That's breathing on a tank, not the Benz. Your lungs 0:53:06.760 --> 0:53:12.200 are going back to normal. His noise they're making, right, 0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:13.279 Did you get that fill? 0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:15.200 Yeah, that's great. 0:53:15.760 --> 0:53:16.360 Thanks. 0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:22.200 Uh sucks the blood out of your head and then 0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:25.960 you pass out, and you pass out. He goes on 0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:30.319 to say his name is Smooch who wrote in He 0:53:30.360 --> 0:53:34.600 goes on to say snobs would call this ascent blackout, 0:53:34.680 --> 0:53:36.680 but not me, no way. 0:53:37.280 --> 0:53:40.880 And m M HG HG is mercury on the periodic table, 0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:44.000 and mm is millimeter and a millimeter of mercury is 0:53:44.040 --> 0:53:46.640 a menometric unit of pressure. 0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:50.880 Got it? That clarifies things for me. 0:53:52.920 --> 0:53:55.880 It's a it's a weird it's a weird thing that 0:53:55.960 --> 0:54:00.400 shallow water blackout because you can just be feeling pretty 0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:02.360 good and fine and then the next thing you know, 0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:04.520 someone's unconscious. 0:54:04.640 --> 0:54:08.799 I haven't done it yet. Well yeah, but I mean 0:54:09.520 --> 0:54:11.920 I know so many people that have and they don't. 0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:15.960 They don't they one minute, the way they describe it, 0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:19.560 one minut they're swimming up toward the surface and the 0:54:19.600 --> 0:54:22.360 next minute someone's blown across their face at the surface 0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:23.719 and they're trying to figure out what the hell happen. 0:54:24.600 --> 0:54:28.719 No panic, so feasibly it would be a painless way 0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:29.160 to die. 0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:33.000 Did you say that you did it or you were 0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:33.480 close to do it? 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:35.640 I've never shallow water, I've never done it. 0:54:35.840 --> 0:54:35.960 No. 0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:39.319 There's a thing called the Samba two that that free 0:54:39.360 --> 0:54:40.640 divers talk about. 0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:42.239 And that's break. 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:47.279 Yeah, you break the surface and then you like not 0:54:47.520 --> 0:54:50.280 beneath surface. You break the surface and you get woozy 0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:54.880 and tippy at the surface. They'll say you sambaed, meaning 0:54:54.920 --> 0:54:56.440 you kind of like had a little bit of a 0:54:57.200 --> 0:54:59.799 you kind of passed out a little teeny bit once 0:54:59.840 --> 0:55:03.759 you broke surface. But in shallow water black ou Let's 0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:05.480 say you black out three feet shot of the surface 0:55:05.520 --> 0:55:10.040 and stop kicking and you're underwater. Yeah, so you have 0:55:10.080 --> 0:55:12.680 a mamillion you have that mi million dive reflex, so 0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:18.440 you don't breathe, right, away, you sink and don't do anything, 0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:21.160 and eventually whatever amount of energy it requires to have 0:55:21.200 --> 0:55:24.880 the MA million dive reflex activated, that subsides and then 0:55:24.920 --> 0:55:26.000 you take your death breath. 0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:29.840 But then you're taking your death breath of water, basically. 0:55:29.400 --> 0:55:32.680 Don't They usually say that's like typically about two minutes 0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:33.799 before that happens. 0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:35.200 Oh, I don't know, I never heard. 0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:39.319 I've heard, I've heard, and I'll probably get corrected. But yeah, 0:55:39.360 --> 0:55:42.200 like when you pass out, you have ballpark about two 0:55:42.239 --> 0:55:45.120 minutes before you take that, oh, death breath. I don't know, 0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:47.759 someone can maybe look that up and see. But that's 0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:48.480 what I was always to know. 0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:51.279 That, so I would. I mean, that's not surprising to me. 0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:52.839 It's not thirty minutes. 0:55:53.080 --> 0:55:55.520 Right, Yeah, But like they said, if somebody passes out 0:55:55.520 --> 0:55:56.960 in the water, you have about two minutes. 0:55:56.719 --> 0:56:00.320 Before like to find it its lights out. So yeah, 0:56:00.360 --> 0:56:05.880 and this is a big part of why, uh, you know, 0:56:06.000 --> 0:56:09.160 the serious spear fishermen that are being safe. We'll always 0:56:09.200 --> 0:56:12.960 practice one guy on surface, one guy down, one guy 0:56:12.960 --> 0:56:15.160 on surface, one guy down, and so the guy on 0:56:15.239 --> 0:56:18.600 surface is presumably paying attention to hey, he should. 0:56:18.320 --> 0:56:21.000 Have he shouldn't be floating. 0:56:20.680 --> 0:56:23.840 He should be up here and you go down to 0:56:23.920 --> 0:56:24.480 hunt him down. 0:56:25.040 --> 0:56:27.120 I'm gonna do some diving this weekend. 0:56:27.960 --> 0:56:29.400 Are you. We're at. 0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:37.520 A lake in the ocean lake in Montana taking. 0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:39.160 A spear, nice. 0:56:48.480 --> 0:56:53.680 Chili. Can can you explain this? Can you explain that pistol? 0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:55.600 And then we're gonna hang that in the new studio? 0:56:57.400 --> 0:56:59.520 Well do you want like the history of it or 0:56:59.520 --> 0:57:00.520 like the story how I got it? 0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:01.840 Both? 0:57:01.960 --> 0:57:02.919 Both? All right? 0:57:02.960 --> 0:57:05.799 So not a very interesting interesting story how we got it. 0:57:05.880 --> 0:57:08.680 My dad got it from a work call league back 0:57:08.680 --> 0:57:12.440 in the day that's had a I mean I think 0:57:12.560 --> 0:57:14.480 she had this and like an old fifty cow flint 0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:18.360 lock and gave the flint lock rifle to somebody else 0:57:18.360 --> 0:57:20.720 and then gave this to my dad and then it's 0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:24.800 just been hanging up in our house for the entirety 0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:27.160 of my life, and then passed it on down to 0:57:27.560 --> 0:57:31.400 me and my brother and then But so it's a 0:57:31.640 --> 0:57:33.000 it's a if you want to. 0:57:33.200 --> 0:57:38.080 Look at it, oh man, Yeah, damn, get it towards 0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:38.680 the camera. 0:57:39.080 --> 0:57:40.400 No trigger guard back then? 0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:42.880 Huh no, No, And I'd actually love you pulled that 0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:44.640 thing out of there? No you want to? 0:57:45.640 --> 0:57:47.600 Yeah, you got to break the back. 0:57:47.600 --> 0:57:50.400 Yeah, you got to break it to get in there. 0:57:54.960 --> 0:57:57.200 I don't think the case came with the gun, So. 0:57:57.240 --> 0:57:58.480 You can break it with your palth. 0:57:58.760 --> 0:58:00.520 We can busted up like a pick of that. 0:58:00.640 --> 0:58:03.360 Yeah, you don't need to do that. That's pretty sweet though. Yeah. 0:58:03.360 --> 0:58:06.280 So it's a it's a thirty two caliber rim fire. 0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:11.520 It's an old Civil War era pistol. They made them 0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:16.280 from six eighteen sixty one to eighteen seventy four. There's 0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:20.200 roughly about seventy seven thousand of them made a man 0:58:20.760 --> 0:58:24.960 roughly seventy seven thousand, and it feels like that. 0:58:24.800 --> 0:58:26.920 I would have guessed ten. 0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:30.640 Yeah, yeah, No, they mass produced for sure. 0:58:31.440 --> 0:58:34.600 They also think that the first thirty five thousand in 0:58:34.680 --> 0:58:37.960 production had a very good chance of actually being in 0:58:38.000 --> 0:58:38.720 the Civil. 0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:41.400 War, so it would have been issued to soldiers. 0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:44.040 Correct, it was ago. I won't read this whole thing, 0:58:44.040 --> 0:58:47.360 but again, I think. 0:58:47.240 --> 0:58:51.800 ReBs, I think, I think again, my people weren't here yet, 0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:54.040 so I don't need to worry about that gun having 0:58:54.120 --> 0:58:55.080 felled one of my people. 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:56.720 Yeah, we were Midwest. 0:58:56.840 --> 0:59:00.800 It's not so they probably failed your people probably probably. 0:59:01.520 --> 0:59:02.200 Um. 0:59:03.080 --> 0:59:05.600 Yeah, So they say that first thirty thirty five thousand 0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:09.640 probably were in the war, and then It goes on 0:59:09.680 --> 0:59:13.320 to say, so all the serial numbers are on it. 0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:15.320 This is on the hilt I think it's called the 0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:17.600 hilt of the handle, right on the bottom side of 0:59:17.640 --> 0:59:18.880 the pistol grip. 0:59:19.400 --> 0:59:22.560 Oh, that piece of metal that runs that the plate's going. 0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:24.840 To Yeah, I can't remember what it was, but it 0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:27.120 has a serial number, and this one starts with the 0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:30.760 forty four thousand, So it wasn't necessarily probably. 0:59:30.360 --> 0:59:31.920 In the war. Oh. 0:59:32.080 --> 0:59:34.560 But what's interesting is since they only made them to 0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:39.080 eighteen seventy four, that put if it was made then 0:59:39.320 --> 0:59:41.400 at the last year, it's still one hundred and fifty 0:59:41.480 --> 0:59:41.800 years old. 0:59:41.920 --> 0:59:42.240 Wow. 0:59:42.400 --> 0:59:45.480 Hilt says that the handle of any weapon or tool. 0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:49.919 So this this it's a revolver or with no trigger guard. No, 0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:54.560 a trigger that is not trigger like correct, But that's 0:59:54.560 --> 0:59:56.720 not a great description. How would you describe that trigger? 0:59:56.880 --> 1:00:00.760 It's and then a cylinder with no no notching in 1:00:00.800 --> 1:00:02.400 the cylinder. It's a smooth cylinder. 1:00:02.560 --> 1:00:03.320 Yeah. 1:00:03.520 --> 1:00:08.120 Yeah, it's in a very rudimentary bead and groove to 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:10.120 aim it. 1:00:10.160 --> 1:00:11.720 Have you guys had a red dot on that thing? 1:00:12.240 --> 1:00:16.400 Oh yeah, no, no, we could do. 1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:19.880 You know, the barrel's rifled, you know, I don't. 1:00:20.000 --> 1:00:20.600 I really don't. 1:00:20.680 --> 1:00:23.200 I don't know a whole lot about like all the things, 1:00:23.200 --> 1:00:25.000 all the research that I did on this was pretty 1:00:25.040 --> 1:00:27.320 much the same stuff. It kind of goes into the 1:00:27.400 --> 1:00:30.920 history of it, not like the dynamics of the pistol itself. 1:00:31.000 --> 1:00:33.480 Is it like Brody's Priest? 1:00:33.560 --> 1:00:35.160 What do you call this persuader? 1:00:35.280 --> 1:00:37.320 Is it like Brody sam and Persuader where it's got 1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:38.320 notches in the handle? 1:00:39.480 --> 1:00:40.160 No, I don't. 1:00:40.200 --> 1:00:40.680 I don't know. 1:00:40.800 --> 1:00:43.560 I I think I would rather take that into a 1:00:43.600 --> 1:00:45.479 fight than this thing, though, that's for sure. 1:00:46.200 --> 1:00:48.479 You don't know anybody started taking that out and taking 1:00:48.480 --> 1:00:49.200 a crack on it. 1:00:49.680 --> 1:00:50.640 No, I can't say that I have. 1:00:50.680 --> 1:00:53.920 It's always been this was hanging up in our stairwell 1:00:54.160 --> 1:00:57.480 going downstairs, and it was there for I don't know 1:00:57.920 --> 1:01:00.000 eighteen years that I lived there, and my dad always 1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:01.400 that don't touch it. 1:01:01.600 --> 1:01:03.440 So no, and then. 1:01:03.320 --> 1:01:05.960 And then you brought it here, and then and then 1:01:06.160 --> 1:01:08.360 and then I grew up and I got out of 1:01:08.440 --> 1:01:11.720 the house and he's like, yeah, you want it. I'm like, sure, 1:01:11.960 --> 1:01:14.840 you got to take it to It's probably he's going 1:01:14.920 --> 1:01:15.480 to catch you now. 1:01:15.680 --> 1:01:15.880 Yeah. 1:01:17.320 --> 1:01:18.720 He gives him a big old whooping. 1:01:18.480 --> 1:01:24.040 Right, persuader little pants down smacks a little butt right 1:01:24.040 --> 1:01:25.800 here for touching his pistol. 1:01:27.520 --> 1:01:28.040 Can I see it? 1:01:28.160 --> 1:01:28.360 Yeah? 1:01:28.360 --> 1:01:30.560 Absolutely, Yeah, you got to take it to someone to 1:01:30.600 --> 1:01:32.400 make sure there's not something you should be doing to 1:01:32.400 --> 1:01:34.280 like preserve it or what. You know what I mean. 1:01:34.560 --> 1:01:35.960 Well, I mean it's one hundred and fifty. I think 1:01:35.960 --> 1:01:37.040 it looks pretty good for a hundred. 1:01:37.120 --> 1:01:39.080 Sure it does, but you know, yeah, there's probably some 1:01:39.360 --> 1:01:40.840 better method to take care of that thing. And I 1:01:40.840 --> 1:01:44.600 would actually be really interested in someone that knows what 1:01:44.640 --> 1:01:46.560 they're doing with that particular. 1:01:46.440 --> 1:01:49.280 There's someone out there that knows everything about that gun, 1:01:49.440 --> 1:01:50.840 yeah you know what I mean, but like. 1:01:50.880 --> 1:01:53.040 Just like but you'll get some people writing in about 1:01:53.040 --> 1:01:53.480 it from here. 1:01:53.680 --> 1:01:57.880 Oh, I'm sure. And my biggest curiosity is that trigger, 1:01:58.400 --> 1:02:00.680 Like I want to know like how that works. And 1:02:00.760 --> 1:02:02.800 because I mean that it just looks weird. 1:02:03.560 --> 1:02:06.720 Yeah what there would be some kind of antique firearms 1:02:06.840 --> 1:02:10.200 enthusiasts out there. Oh maybe he's maybe there's a mirror 1:02:10.240 --> 1:02:15.160 expert who's also an anti he come and take care 1:02:15.200 --> 1:02:15.640 of it here. 1:02:15.760 --> 1:02:19.800 I think those triggers are like are relatively common because 1:02:19.840 --> 1:02:22.640 I feel like I've seen them at antique stores. I'm 1:02:22.640 --> 1:02:25.240 like little little pistols and twenty two years. 1:02:25.920 --> 1:02:28.440 It just like hangs you take a stab at it. 1:02:28.680 --> 1:02:32.360 There's a little hang down, a little tear drop shape 1:02:32.400 --> 1:02:35.760 hanged down in the trigger rest, and the trigger. 1:02:35.440 --> 1:02:36.440 Is like a little. 1:02:38.880 --> 1:02:42.120 Never mind, great, great crack. 1:02:43.720 --> 1:02:44.840 A little button. 1:02:45.440 --> 1:02:46.880 But just think about it. 1:02:47.440 --> 1:02:49.600 I think, I think when you you know cock that 1:02:49.760 --> 1:02:51.480 like what I can picture is when you cock, the 1:02:51.480 --> 1:02:57.800 handle goes yeah, and then it becomes whatever active and 1:02:57.840 --> 1:02:58.560 then you pull it back. 1:02:58.600 --> 1:02:59.560 And I don't think. 1:03:01.720 --> 1:03:05.360 I know how to explain it. It's like a savage 1:03:05.360 --> 1:03:12.160 ACU trigger. It's like a Savage ACU trigger if the 1:03:12.560 --> 1:03:15.560 it's only the ACU part of the ACUT. It's the 1:03:15.600 --> 1:03:19.200 Savage ACU trigger if this If the trigger trigger was 1:03:19.920 --> 1:03:23.680 solid and the safety blade that moves inside an ACU 1:03:23.800 --> 1:03:26.280 trigger was the trigger, it was a phenomenal. 1:03:26.360 --> 1:03:26.880 Yeah. 1:03:26.960 --> 1:03:29.920 Yeah, yeah, now I explain savage. 1:03:31.600 --> 1:03:32.600 Got our expert right here. 1:03:32.640 --> 1:03:33.600 Everyone google it. 1:03:34.080 --> 1:03:34.440 Hmmm. 1:03:34.920 --> 1:03:37.160 Yeah, that's got to be a single action, right, cock 1:03:37.240 --> 1:03:37.680 and fire. 1:03:37.800 --> 1:03:39.800 Yeah, that's pretty sweet. I like that thing. 1:03:40.000 --> 1:03:43.960 Yeah, no, it's it's great. Yeah, if anyone has more 1:03:43.960 --> 1:03:45.000 information about it. 1:03:44.960 --> 1:03:47.240 They still making thirty two rimp fire shells. 1:03:47.280 --> 1:03:48.480 You know, I can't say that they are. 1:03:48.720 --> 1:03:50.560 I don't think that they are. 1:03:50.400 --> 1:03:52.800 Here's like, oh maybe the guys that are making our 1:03:52.880 --> 1:03:57.320 punt gun ammo when they finish that w able to 1:03:57.360 --> 1:03:57.600 do this. 1:03:57.680 --> 1:03:59.640 We still got to hang that up and we got 1:03:59.640 --> 1:03:59.960 to get the. 1:04:03.880 --> 1:04:06.720 So, bro, you couldn't find you weren't able to find 1:04:06.760 --> 1:04:07.840 the email the guy sent in. 1:04:07.920 --> 1:04:09.200 We recently had a guy right in. 1:04:10.080 --> 1:04:13.320 Well, I found the email. I just didn't find anything 1:04:13.400 --> 1:04:16.160 about an age. It was the size of the skull that. 1:04:16.080 --> 1:04:18.400 He Oh, and that's what was certified by the state. 1:04:18.840 --> 1:04:21.360 Yeah, they had it measured twenty three inches, which is 1:04:22.200 --> 1:04:25.120 out of what state is at Minnesota. No kid, but 1:04:25.200 --> 1:04:27.640 that's also where the oldest black bear was from too. 1:04:28.120 --> 1:04:29.920 So a guy wrote in and he found a twenty 1:04:30.000 --> 1:04:34.240 three inch found it dead, died on his land. Found 1:04:34.240 --> 1:04:35.880 a twenty three inch bear skull. 1:04:36.360 --> 1:04:38.000 Well, I think he might have found the bear. 1:04:39.080 --> 1:04:43.680 Oh so like so just for context here all time 1:04:43.720 --> 1:04:47.640 Boom and Crockett is twenty one Yeah, enormous blackbirds. 1:04:47.680 --> 1:04:50.240 Yeah, a bear died on his land and there was 1:04:50.280 --> 1:04:53.320 some back and forth about whether he could claim it 1:04:53.480 --> 1:04:55.560 or it was the States, and it ended up in 1:04:55.600 --> 1:04:56.280 a lawsuit. 1:04:56.320 --> 1:05:00.400 I'm thinking of something different. Give me me, there's something different, Bears. 1:05:01.320 --> 1:05:03.640 There's another guy that just had this old ass. 1:05:03.760 --> 1:05:07.200 I did not see that one. Sorry, no, no, no, 1:05:07.280 --> 1:05:12.200 I thought we were talking about that campfire one. Sorry Phil. 1:05:12.840 --> 1:05:15.400 Oh you're good. If anyone wants to fill the space 1:05:15.440 --> 1:05:17.280 with some interesting bandits. 1:05:17.360 --> 1:05:21.200 If if the world record Boon and Crocket black Bear's 1:05:21.240 --> 1:05:25.520 skull measured twenty three and ten sixteenths, yeah, so this. 1:05:25.000 --> 1:05:26.040 Is twenty three. 1:05:26.440 --> 1:05:30.640 It's like, uh, it's gigantic, enormous anyway, like, well, this 1:05:30.640 --> 1:05:33.440 will probably all get cut. But this guy ended up 1:05:33.440 --> 1:05:36.000 in a lawsuit with the state over possession of that 1:05:36.040 --> 1:05:40.480 skull and got it. Which is weird because you know, 1:05:40.480 --> 1:05:42.080 in a lot of places you just watch around a 1:05:42.080 --> 1:05:44.240 different stories pick up dead heads. 1:05:43.840 --> 1:05:47.720 And that that world record was also picked up in YouTube. 1:05:47.920 --> 1:05:53.400 Just hold offer because we're not recording right now. 1:05:55.880 --> 1:05:58.000 Just a reminder that now we're doing a live editing 1:05:58.000 --> 1:06:00.400 with the video. It's uh kind of a pain to 1:06:00.440 --> 1:06:07.000 cut things out. I'll make it work. I'll make it work, 1:06:07.200 --> 1:06:09.640 just only if we can just sorry to avoid it 1:06:09.680 --> 1:06:10.240 from here. 1:06:10.120 --> 1:06:13.280 On out back to the bear and he can be 1:06:13.360 --> 1:06:15.320 testy like that back there because he doesn't have to. 1:06:15.240 --> 1:06:15.600 Look at it. 1:06:18.720 --> 1:06:21.280 It's like it's like getting testy with a customer service 1:06:21.320 --> 1:06:23.840 wrap over the phone, you'd say something you never say 1:06:23.840 --> 1:06:24.280 in person. 1:06:26.800 --> 1:06:28.360 I kind of agree with you, but I feel like 1:06:28.400 --> 1:06:29.439 you're a little hard on Phil. 1:06:29.520 --> 1:06:33.960 Sometimes I wish she was here looking me in the eye. 1:06:34.440 --> 1:06:35.800 That's what the morphil. 1:06:36.040 --> 1:06:37.760 Yeah, I want more Phil, not less Phil. 1:06:37.880 --> 1:06:40.640 Well, we can talk about the oldest bear? 1:06:41.240 --> 1:06:41.880 No, I do want to hear? 1:06:41.960 --> 1:06:46.200 Yeah, yeah, so so, but either way, there's some dude 1:06:46.280 --> 1:06:48.400 recently wrote in and I lost it, but he wrote 1:06:48.400 --> 1:06:50.760 in and he found this this bear and it looked 1:06:50.800 --> 1:06:54.920 like you had taken an angle grinder and removed its teeth. 1:06:55.400 --> 1:06:57.680 And he got some certification back and this bear was 1:06:57.760 --> 1:07:00.160 I feel like the spar was in the thirties and 1:07:00.160 --> 1:07:01.920 then whatever the hell state he was in, it was 1:07:01.960 --> 1:07:03.320 the oldest bear found in the state. 1:07:03.320 --> 1:07:06.400 But I can't find his thing. Yeah, but you found that. 1:07:06.560 --> 1:07:08.480 Okay, what's the biggest black bear on record? 1:07:08.520 --> 1:07:11.440 Twenty three and ten sixteens. It came from Utah and 1:07:11.480 --> 1:07:12.200 it was picked up. 1:07:12.360 --> 1:07:15.280 And if people aren't familiar that measurement, all it is 1:07:15.280 --> 1:07:17.560 is length the skull and width the skull added together. 1:07:17.720 --> 1:07:19.760 Isn't it weird? How the biggest of most stuff is 1:07:19.880 --> 1:07:23.720 picked up mm hmm, like so often the biggest specimens 1:07:23.760 --> 1:07:26.840 picked up. So the biggest big horn sheep pick up, 1:07:26.880 --> 1:07:29.040 the biggest white tail picked up, the biggest black bear 1:07:29.080 --> 1:07:32.640 picked up this. So this was twenty three inches. And 1:07:32.640 --> 1:07:36.439 then the oldest bear on record was thirty nine years 1:07:36.440 --> 1:07:38.840 old out of Minnesota. Yep, yep. 1:07:39.000 --> 1:07:41.800 It's not killed by a hunter, died natural causes. 1:07:42.360 --> 1:07:46.440 M And then so the dude that found it got 1:07:46.480 --> 1:07:48.160 in a little custody battle. And who wound up with 1:07:48.160 --> 1:07:53.360 the skull? He did? He did? Okay, but that brings 1:07:53.440 --> 1:07:57.360 us a round to how Chester has an old ass bear. 1:07:57.800 --> 1:08:02.600 Yeah. I shot this bear with a recurve. 1:08:03.840 --> 1:08:05.120 Wild back home. 1:08:05.240 --> 1:08:08.520 I made, made the bow, and this is a local 1:08:08.880 --> 1:08:13.280 bear and it was a sow. But when I brought 1:08:13.280 --> 1:08:15.320 it in to f w P, well, no. 1:08:15.600 --> 1:08:17.000 Tell what happened before he brought it in. 1:08:18.040 --> 1:08:18.880 Tell us about the hunt. 1:08:18.880 --> 1:08:24.519 Okay, it's a it's an interesting hunt. So it was 1:08:25.640 --> 1:08:29.840 a snap jiggen in a meadow anyways, No, I uh. 1:08:30.040 --> 1:08:32.439 In the springtime in Montana, a lot of the time 1:08:32.640 --> 1:08:35.920 you can find bears in green metals, you know, up 1:08:35.960 --> 1:08:37.880 in the mountains. They're coming down out of the snow 1:08:37.920 --> 1:08:42.839 and chowing on wild flowers and grass, and that's exactly 1:08:42.840 --> 1:08:44.920 what I was doing. I was glassing over these green 1:08:44.960 --> 1:08:50.040 meadows and this bear came out, and I had been 1:08:50.080 --> 1:08:53.360 glassing up another bear, and this one looked substantially bigger. 1:08:54.120 --> 1:08:56.400 And I got to the edge of this field. The 1:08:56.439 --> 1:09:00.040 wind was absolutely perfect, but it almost looked like a 1:09:00.080 --> 1:09:04.240 manecured field, like some landscaping company came in there and 1:09:04.240 --> 1:09:06.800 made it look all pretty. There was there was one 1:09:07.120 --> 1:09:10.040 juniper in the middle of it. So I got to 1:09:10.040 --> 1:09:11.760 the edge of this field and the wind was right, 1:09:12.120 --> 1:09:15.240 and I took my shoes off, and I was just like, 1:09:15.520 --> 1:09:17.680 I'm going to see how close I can get to 1:09:17.720 --> 1:09:19.800 this thing. Took my shoes off so I could try 1:09:19.800 --> 1:09:20.040 and be. 1:09:20.320 --> 1:09:24.120 With Yeah, I think your feet were itchy or an itchy. 1:09:24.240 --> 1:09:27.519 No, but it was facing away, and like I said, 1:09:27.560 --> 1:09:30.320 the wind was right, and I just kept creeping towards it, 1:09:30.360 --> 1:09:33.720 real slow, not crawling or anything. 1:09:33.560 --> 1:09:35.759 Using the tree between you and the bear. 1:09:35.800 --> 1:09:39.479 Nope, just staying on its hind end. And luckily it 1:09:39.640 --> 1:09:42.599 just stayed facing away from me. And I probably got 1:09:42.640 --> 1:09:48.000 like sixty seventy yards and that juniper was I was 1:09:48.000 --> 1:09:50.040 getting close to that juniper, and the bear was just 1:09:50.120 --> 1:09:51.519 on the other side of it, and I was like, 1:09:51.560 --> 1:09:53.160 as soon as it gets on the other side of 1:09:53.160 --> 1:09:57.240 this juniper, I'm gonna just hustle my butt up and 1:09:57.920 --> 1:10:01.320 be right there. So shake hands, shake hands with it. 1:10:01.320 --> 1:10:03.280 It gets on the other side of that juniper, that's 1:10:03.360 --> 1:10:07.320 exactly what I do. And it steps out broadside. It's 1:10:07.840 --> 1:10:12.040 you know, probably fifteen to eighteen yards, I don't know, 1:10:12.120 --> 1:10:15.639 somewhere in there. And I shoot it, and I think 1:10:15.680 --> 1:10:19.000 it's just a beautiful, perfect shot. And if any of 1:10:19.000 --> 1:10:22.720 you guys have hundred bears before, they got a lot 1:10:22.720 --> 1:10:26.840 of fur, a lot of hair, and it can kind 1:10:26.880 --> 1:10:29.479 of be deceiving because you're shooting at a black blob, 1:10:29.720 --> 1:10:33.080 you know. So I think it's just a perfect shot, 1:10:33.120 --> 1:10:35.840 and you know, my heart's going and it takes off 1:10:35.880 --> 1:10:41.000 down into the woods and I start blood trailing and 1:10:41.080 --> 1:10:46.160 there's no blood to be found whatsoever. And I look 1:10:46.200 --> 1:10:49.480 and look and look, and I'm just getting super discouraged. 1:10:49.920 --> 1:10:52.519 So I start doing what every hunter would do. They 1:10:52.840 --> 1:10:55.000 grid search it, you know, they kind of get on 1:10:55.000 --> 1:10:59.639 onyx and start making a track. And I was gridding 1:10:59.640 --> 1:11:03.280 this hill signed and I was a. 1:11:03.160 --> 1:11:06.200 Lot of seconds. Yeah, we should just put this in 1:11:06.280 --> 1:11:07.760 the fucking Discoveries thing. 1:11:09.560 --> 1:11:12.080 Yeah, I mean I don't know the rest of the story, 1:11:12.120 --> 1:11:17.200 but if you haven't figured that out, Yeah, we shouldn't 1:11:17.240 --> 1:11:21.439 talk about this a little interstitial never mind, you got 1:11:21.439 --> 1:11:27.360 to go in the book. Sorry, Phil, show us your 1:11:27.360 --> 1:11:29.439 face to be too good of a it's like too 1:11:29.479 --> 1:11:34.160 good of a little Yeah, if it was, we need 1:11:34.160 --> 1:11:35.559 it in campfire for sure. 1:11:36.000 --> 1:11:38.320 No, it's anyways. 1:11:38.840 --> 1:11:44.680 Uh, you can't tell I'm doing fine? Is it a 1:11:44.760 --> 1:11:46.360 learning process for everyone? I'll take it. 1:11:46.840 --> 1:11:47.599 Phil is back there? 1:11:48.880 --> 1:11:50.720 Show us your face again, Phil, What does it look 1:11:50.800 --> 1:11:51.360 like right now? 1:11:51.479 --> 1:11:52.120 You know what, Phil? 1:11:56.080 --> 1:12:00.759 Because they don't know what happened except you said teaser. 1:12:00.840 --> 1:12:02.559 Okay? Can you is it easy for you to go 1:12:02.640 --> 1:12:04.880 back in and bleep stuff out or easier just to 1:12:05.000 --> 1:12:06.559 edit the whole thing out bleeping? 1:12:06.680 --> 1:12:07.160 Probably? 1:12:07.280 --> 1:12:10.120 Okay? Can you just go back and bleep all the 1:12:10.160 --> 1:12:12.879 thing that would make it this is actually an ad 1:12:12.920 --> 1:12:14.960 for can't fire stories? Okay? 1:12:15.600 --> 1:12:16.840 Or just cut all the audio. 1:12:16.680 --> 1:12:18.640 Lemons and the lemonade sort of thing. Here we go. 1:12:19.920 --> 1:12:23.280 Can you just try It'll just sound like I'm swearing 1:12:23.520 --> 1:12:24.439 the whole time. 1:12:24.439 --> 1:12:27.799 And then Phil blur for the whole video. 1:12:28.680 --> 1:12:31.360 I want you to blur that skull so people don't 1:12:31.439 --> 1:12:32.160 know that he got it. 1:12:32.240 --> 1:12:33.320 Okay, And second thought, let. 1:12:33.400 --> 1:12:35.559 Edited out's face. 1:12:39.160 --> 1:12:41.800 No, Phil, just bleep, just just act like he swore 1:12:41.880 --> 1:12:44.559 a lot, and bleep the parts out that you think 1:12:44.560 --> 1:12:45.120 would matter. 1:12:45.400 --> 1:12:46.760 And you don't need to do any of the work. 1:12:47.800 --> 1:12:48.720 Sounds sounds good. 1:12:49.600 --> 1:12:52.559 Here's the work Phil's trying to get out of. You 1:12:52.560 --> 1:12:53.120 can watch. 1:12:53.200 --> 1:12:58.320 You can watch, we're making we're starting to record our show. 1:12:59.360 --> 1:13:01.519 And and and Phil is back there in his little 1:13:01.520 --> 1:13:05.320 command and control center hitting what camera he wants on 1:13:05.400 --> 1:13:07.760 all the time. Isn't that right, Phil? Is that how 1:13:07.800 --> 1:13:08.439 you'd express it? 1:13:08.640 --> 1:13:10.880 Camera four? Yes, it is, Steve back to camera one. 1:13:10.920 --> 1:13:12.720 Okay, So that's what he's That's what's going through his 1:13:12.720 --> 1:13:16.280 little head back there, and he doesn't want to have 1:13:16.439 --> 1:13:18.320 to have a big old headache of going back in 1:13:18.360 --> 1:13:20.240 and trying to undo all his camera work. 1:13:20.840 --> 1:13:22.920 Yeah. So on that note, I'd like to apologize for 1:13:22.960 --> 1:13:24.840 all the weird camera cuts I just made during that 1:13:24.880 --> 1:13:27.040 segment when I thought it was going to be cut out, 1:13:27.320 --> 1:13:28.480 So just to ignore. 1:13:28.200 --> 1:13:30.439 Those because we were going to be thinking, Man, that 1:13:30.479 --> 1:13:35.519 guy's not very good at that. That was a great story. Chester. 1:13:35.600 --> 1:13:36.679 I'm on the edge of my seat. 1:13:36.760 --> 1:13:39.559 Dude told me. 1:13:40.560 --> 1:13:43.120 Is that bleeping he bleeping the one in your office? 1:13:43.960 --> 1:13:48.280 Yes, yep, that's where am I going to be able 1:13:48.280 --> 1:13:49.080 to hear the real story? 1:13:49.120 --> 1:13:53.080 Now? I'm a little confumaters Campfire Stories Volume three. So 1:13:53.360 --> 1:13:58.479 volume one was close calls, Volume two was more close calls, 1:13:59.000 --> 1:14:02.479 and then we had to catch you little subtitle. Volume 1:14:02.560 --> 1:14:07.639 three is gonna be called crazy shit I found, but 1:14:07.680 --> 1:14:10.320 not what we called it? Do we know yet? Like 1:14:10.720 --> 1:14:16.840 the yeah, not really amazing, archae discovery whatever, finding plane crashes, 1:14:17.439 --> 1:14:23.080 finding missing bodies, finding archaeological sites, finding just whatever. Weird 1:14:23.160 --> 1:14:27.160 jump Sure, well what do you got right in front 1:14:27.160 --> 1:14:29.400 of you right now? Do you ad any talk about this? 1:14:29.479 --> 1:14:31.000 But I'm not Yeah, I don't think. Do you feel 1:14:31.000 --> 1:14:33.000 like it's gonna make the Uh, it's not gonna make them. 1:14:33.000 --> 1:14:34.479 It's not gonna No, go ahead, I want to hear 1:14:34.520 --> 1:14:34.880 about it. 1:14:34.960 --> 1:14:40.080 Okay, this, this here is an extinct sea creature. I 1:14:40.120 --> 1:14:41.120 was hunting in Montana. 1:14:41.240 --> 1:14:44.400 Looks like I've found the little chunks before, but go on. 1:14:44.680 --> 1:14:48.080 I was hunting in Montana in twenty nineteen, and that 1:14:48.200 --> 1:14:51.040 morning I was sitting behind my spotter and I glassed 1:14:51.040 --> 1:14:53.120 this up. It was in like some bad Lands country, 1:14:53.479 --> 1:14:55.400 and I glassed it up from a long ways away, 1:14:55.439 --> 1:14:56.360 and I didn't know what it was. 1:14:56.479 --> 1:14:58.000 You gotta explain what you saw, though. 1:14:58.800 --> 1:14:59.960 I saw that exactly. 1:15:00.560 --> 1:15:02.879 People people have home who are listening. 1:15:03.040 --> 1:15:07.240 People want to say that it's a it looks like 1:15:07.320 --> 1:15:09.360 a core sample that you took from the here. 1:15:09.479 --> 1:15:11.920 I thought when I came in and this was sitting here, 1:15:14.120 --> 1:15:15.840 I thought for some reason there was a core sample 1:15:15.880 --> 1:15:16.120 in here. 1:15:16.160 --> 1:15:19.000 It is not a core sample. It looks like you when. 1:15:18.840 --> 1:15:20.160 You look at it carefully, it's oval. 1:15:20.560 --> 1:15:22.040 You know how some people got a game. 1:15:22.080 --> 1:15:26.360 I Spencer's got a thing and yeah, and mushroom eye 1:15:26.680 --> 1:15:30.120 really bad. I'm a very bad shed hunter. I think 1:15:30.120 --> 1:15:32.200 I'm very good at mushrooms and rocks. 1:15:32.320 --> 1:15:33.880 Are you interested in sheds? 1:15:33.920 --> 1:15:36.120 Though terribly interested in shed are? 1:15:36.280 --> 1:15:36.479 Yeah? 1:15:36.600 --> 1:15:38.320 I wish I was better because I didn't know if 1:15:38.360 --> 1:15:40.120 it was just like games. 1:15:40.240 --> 1:15:42.360 No, Seth Morris has the best shed I know. 1:15:42.479 --> 1:15:46.479 Yeah, It's it's hard for me to not do one 1:15:46.600 --> 1:15:48.120 and do the other, because it seems like the best 1:15:48.120 --> 1:15:50.880 shed hunters are like scanning a large area, and when 1:15:50.880 --> 1:15:53.559 you're looking for mushrooms and rocks, you're often looking in 1:15:53.640 --> 1:15:56.839 like a very small area. Your cone, like your sonar, 1:15:57.400 --> 1:16:00.280 is tiny. The sheds you're you're like looking over a 1:16:00.280 --> 1:16:02.600 big area. I can't I can't come to that. 1:16:02.680 --> 1:16:04.599 I was walking through the woods with Seth. I had 1:16:04.600 --> 1:16:06.639 to duck my head to not poke a shed antler 1:16:06.640 --> 1:16:08.760 in my eye that his buck had gotten hung up 1:16:08.760 --> 1:16:17.320 in some grapevine and missed that. And it's like, look 1:16:17.360 --> 1:16:20.920 a shed hanging from a grapevine at high level in 1:16:21.000 --> 1:16:22.280 the trail you just walked down. 1:16:23.439 --> 1:16:27.439 This looks like a core sample. It's about as thick 1:16:27.479 --> 1:16:32.760 as a beer can. A little little smaller, a little smaller. Okay, white, 1:16:32.880 --> 1:16:35.400 it's good if you put like two white claws on 1:16:35.439 --> 1:16:39.240 top of each other, right, one and a half. Okay, 1:16:39.920 --> 1:16:44.000 it's very good describing stuff. It's in your hand right now, 1:16:44.200 --> 1:16:47.320 not mine. This is an extinct sea creature. It's called 1:16:47.320 --> 1:16:50.840 a back you light. Back you lights lived from about 1:16:50.880 --> 1:16:53.360 sixty six million years ago, which is when the dinosaurs 1:16:53.400 --> 1:16:56.840 also an extinct to one hundred million years ago. Sounds 1:16:56.840 --> 1:16:58.760 like a long time, but if you if you want 1:16:58.760 --> 1:17:02.479 some context, like dinosaurs showed up like two hundred million 1:17:02.560 --> 1:17:05.800 years ago and then disappeared sixty six million years ago, 1:17:06.000 --> 1:17:08.080 So dinosaurs had already been around for one hundred million 1:17:08.120 --> 1:17:10.479 years by the time these came around. It's a long 1:17:10.520 --> 1:17:16.000 time and they their closest relative would be things that 1:17:16.040 --> 1:17:22.519 are cephalopods like squid, octopus. Their whole order family genus, 1:17:22.560 --> 1:17:26.639 it's all extinct. None of these are are around anymore 1:17:26.680 --> 1:17:29.120 or even close to it. They grew up to about 1:17:29.160 --> 1:17:34.599 seven feet long. They had extreme sexual dimorphism. A male 1:17:34.720 --> 1:17:37.519 was only about a third of the size as a female, 1:17:38.920 --> 1:17:41.120 and they were They hung out in the middle of 1:17:41.160 --> 1:17:43.960 the water column. They ate plankton, and those little like 1:17:44.080 --> 1:17:48.160 fissures that you're seeing, those are called sutures on there, 1:17:49.000 --> 1:17:51.360 and that is how they would regulate the gas in 1:17:51.400 --> 1:17:55.920 their body. This to imagine imagine a squid. Take a 1:17:55.960 --> 1:17:59.439 squid right and then give it a long cone body 1:18:00.120 --> 1:18:02.160 like five or six feet long. Yep, that's what a 1:18:02.200 --> 1:18:05.280 vacuu light looked like. And then those little so that's 1:18:05.280 --> 1:18:06.160 the body right there. 1:18:06.200 --> 1:18:10.200 This is like the shell of it. Juter tentacles fossilized 1:18:10.240 --> 1:18:12.200 well well. 1:18:12.600 --> 1:18:16.680 Usually things that are soft don't fossilize very well. Mushrooms, 1:18:16.680 --> 1:18:21.120 for example, which would be similar in material to tentacles. 1:18:21.520 --> 1:18:23.120 I think there's been twelve in the world that have 1:18:23.160 --> 1:18:28.240 been found of fossils. So no, the tentacles really really 1:18:28.280 --> 1:18:32.400 poorly fossilized. This would be the hard shell of it. 1:18:32.439 --> 1:18:35.840 So my question, let's back up a little bit. When 1:18:35.840 --> 1:18:37.160 you said you glass us up. 1:18:37.200 --> 1:18:41.280 Yep, I didn't know what it was, right, I mean, 1:18:41.360 --> 1:18:42.960 you found it in your noox. 1:18:43.120 --> 1:18:44.160 In my spotting scope. 1:18:44.200 --> 1:18:45.240 Were you looking for deer? 1:18:45.360 --> 1:18:47.720 I was looking for deer, but looking most of my 1:18:47.840 --> 1:18:48.839 deer hunts evolve. 1:18:49.320 --> 1:18:51.320 And that's why he's got that buck sit next to him, 1:18:51.320 --> 1:18:53.360 because he got that buck later that day. That's right. 1:18:53.400 --> 1:18:56.840 So I found this vacuu light in the morning, and 1:18:56.880 --> 1:18:59.160 then that afternoon, only a few hundred yards away, I 1:18:59.280 --> 1:18:59.880 killed this buck. 1:19:00.200 --> 1:19:03.919 So you're telling me you saw that through your scope. 1:19:04.280 --> 1:19:05.120 I didn't know what it was. 1:19:05.160 --> 1:19:08.080 I knew it was unnatural, like I was like that 1:19:08.080 --> 1:19:13.080 that's something I was painted picture too. Is it like 1:19:13.120 --> 1:19:17.599 in the middle of like just something. When I look 1:19:17.600 --> 1:19:20.479 at that, I see how rock It was in some 1:19:20.520 --> 1:19:23.800 bad landsy stuff that had a lot of like dead 1:19:23.840 --> 1:19:26.600 grass on it. This was late in November and it 1:19:26.680 --> 1:19:28.599 was just laying there. It actually had a couple other 1:19:28.640 --> 1:19:30.960 smaller VACUU lights next to it. Steve, you mentioned that 1:19:31.000 --> 1:19:34.160 you found some vacu lights before. Here's a smaller section. 1:19:34.280 --> 1:19:36.559 I found the sections. This. 1:19:35.640 --> 1:19:38.759 This I found him on Tana. This came from Wyoming. 1:19:38.800 --> 1:19:40.400 It's also a bad that's what I have these. 1:19:41.200 --> 1:19:43.519 My kids have found him too. Yeah. Can I tell 1:19:43.520 --> 1:19:46.240 you a neat little story. Yeah. I know an old 1:19:46.240 --> 1:19:51.559 timer that he's well into his eighties. He had one 1:19:51.560 --> 1:19:56.840 of these sitting on a shelf in his house and 1:19:56.880 --> 1:19:59.040 I didn't know what it was. And I said, dude, 1:19:59.080 --> 1:20:01.720 what is that? And he said, I don't know, some 1:20:01.840 --> 1:20:03.880 kind of fossil. And he had had it for I 1:20:03.880 --> 1:20:07.479 mean decades. I gather because I never found anybody that 1:20:07.520 --> 1:20:10.240 could tell me what that was. He doesn't know the 1:20:10.280 --> 1:20:13.839 first thing about internet stuff. So I put it on Instagram. 1:20:13.880 --> 1:20:17.479 I'm like, hey, what is this? And within seconds I'm like, 1:20:17.560 --> 1:20:21.280 that's evaculate And so I go and I show them. 1:20:21.320 --> 1:20:24.800 We go into Google and type in vaculate and I 1:20:24.880 --> 1:20:28.040 pulled all these pictures of them. Yeah, okay, And he's 1:20:28.040 --> 1:20:30.920 pretty surprised by this whole revelation. It's very convinced that 1:20:30.920 --> 1:20:34.120 that's what he's holding. Was very happy. A while later, 1:20:34.439 --> 1:20:38.840 he calls me and he says, what was the website 1:20:38.880 --> 1:20:42.360 you were showing me the pictures. I was like, it's 1:20:42.400 --> 1:20:44.920 called it's Google. Yeah, all right. 1:20:48.680 --> 1:20:51.760 Native Americans would find those lots, and they call them 1:20:51.800 --> 1:20:54.600 buffalo stones because if you look at the bottom, you 1:20:54.600 --> 1:20:58.120 could see like you're looking at the undercarriage of bison. 1:20:58.520 --> 1:21:01.880 I think the black Feet specific had some origin stories 1:21:01.960 --> 1:21:04.759 about how they were good luck. There was a woman 1:21:04.800 --> 1:21:06.760 who found one when they were in the middle of 1:21:06.760 --> 1:21:09.320 a famine, and then the next day a whole herd 1:21:09.320 --> 1:21:11.519 of bison showed up and it like really turned things 1:21:11.560 --> 1:21:15.439 around for them. So back you light or buffalo calling stones. 1:21:15.800 --> 1:21:20.480 M I've heard that buffalo calling that's a buffalo calling stone. 1:21:20.800 --> 1:21:23.240 That does work. If you're applying for a buffalo tag. 1:21:23.360 --> 1:21:26.160 Well, it helped me kill this deer that afternoon. 1:21:26.360 --> 1:21:27.839 I stick one of those in with your application. 1:21:28.120 --> 1:21:28.719 Uh huh. 1:21:28.800 --> 1:21:30.920 Yeah. This is a cactus buck. 1:21:31.560 --> 1:21:31.600 No. 1:21:32.080 --> 1:21:36.400 Normally, white tails and mule deer will shed their velvet 1:21:36.560 --> 1:21:40.000 in late August early September. It happens when the photo 1:21:40.080 --> 1:21:45.400 period changes. Day start getting shorter, bucks elevate their testosterone 1:21:45.920 --> 1:21:49.320 and then their velvet sheds. When that doesn't happen, it's 1:21:49.320 --> 1:21:51.000 a cactus buck and it's kind of a catch all 1:21:51.080 --> 1:21:54.080 term right. Cactus bucks can come in many forms, many 1:21:54.160 --> 1:21:57.320 shapes and size. It could be an antler dough. It 1:21:57.360 --> 1:22:01.559 could be a hermaphrodite that has man and female sex organs. 1:22:01.920 --> 1:22:04.679 It could be a buck that lived a normal life 1:22:04.880 --> 1:22:07.800 as a buck, and then one day he messed up 1:22:07.800 --> 1:22:10.400 his testicles, crossing a bar boy or fence, got hit 1:22:10.439 --> 1:22:12.880 by a vehicle, was in a fight with another buck, 1:22:12.960 --> 1:22:16.040 and got stabbed in the nuts, and then that can 1:22:16.080 --> 1:22:18.280 mess with their hormones and create a cactus buck. 1:22:18.520 --> 1:22:20.160 Or I was told you keep going with that list. 1:22:20.200 --> 1:22:20.680 I was liking that. 1:22:20.760 --> 1:22:23.040 Yes, okay, I can't think of any other examples. 1:22:23.040 --> 1:22:34.520 You know, I suppose you get right in the sack. 1:22:36.000 --> 1:22:39.400 You can take this leather. That's good as way. 1:22:40.040 --> 1:22:44.200 This buck, for example, though, was born this way. His 1:22:44.320 --> 1:22:47.679 testicles had never dropped, and they were about the size 1:22:47.680 --> 1:22:48.320 of a cashew. 1:22:48.800 --> 1:22:49.320 Is that right? 1:22:50.080 --> 1:22:51.680 So when you went to gut him, was there a 1:22:51.760 --> 1:22:54.639 sack or it was an empty coin purson? 1:22:54.680 --> 1:22:56.760 What was like a full sized sack but empty. 1:22:56.920 --> 1:23:00.000 It was it was like absorbed up into the stumach. 1:23:00.280 --> 1:23:02.640 You could see like, okay, this is where his his 1:23:02.800 --> 1:23:05.640 sack and testicles should be. And it was just like 1:23:05.880 --> 1:23:07.600 a slight change in the topography. 1:23:07.880 --> 1:23:11.559 H there, Did you shoot him like you knew what 1:23:11.640 --> 1:23:13.360 he was? And you shot him for that reason. 1:23:13.400 --> 1:23:15.040 I knew what he was. He was with a few 1:23:15.040 --> 1:23:17.800 other bucks what he was because he was he wasn't 1:23:17.840 --> 1:23:20.919 hardhorned right right? And we had seen other bucks that weekend. 1:23:21.600 --> 1:23:22.960 Do you know when you see them that time of 1:23:23.040 --> 1:23:24.720 year that it's a cactus buck? 1:23:24.960 --> 1:23:27.920 Did you see any other cactus bucks? And I feel 1:23:27.960 --> 1:23:31.559 like we've talked about a lot of it, man Will. 1:23:31.800 --> 1:23:34.960 I have found like there's specific area that we hunt 1:23:35.240 --> 1:23:38.400 and it's like we've seen so many of them, and 1:23:38.520 --> 1:23:39.679 it's just it's bizarre. 1:23:39.720 --> 1:23:43.680 This idea gained traction after EHD. Twenty twelve was a 1:23:43.800 --> 1:23:47.800 terrible year for EHD. Gotcha, and the worst years of 1:23:47.800 --> 1:23:50.640 EHD are often when it's a wet season followed by 1:23:50.680 --> 1:23:54.200 a dry season. Twenty eleven was super wet. Twenty twelve 1:23:54.320 --> 1:23:56.400 was very dry for much of the country. That was 1:23:56.439 --> 1:23:59.320 when I think biologists started to notice more. They're like, oh, 1:23:59.560 --> 1:24:01.880 you can have some weird stuff that happens to deer 1:24:01.920 --> 1:24:04.160 when they survive EHD. You see it with the hoofs 1:24:04.200 --> 1:24:05.680 that get curled. Have you ever seen that. 1:24:06.479 --> 1:24:07.400 Oh yeah, so. 1:24:07.320 --> 1:24:08.200 That that was an example. 1:24:08.280 --> 1:24:11.000 Not that hoof rock that's wreaking havoc in the Northwest. 1:24:11.040 --> 1:24:14.160 No, not that, And I think some folks, I don't 1:24:14.160 --> 1:24:16.040 know that it's been proven, but they've they've come up 1:24:16.080 --> 1:24:17.920 with the idea that if you have an area that 1:24:17.960 --> 1:24:20.680 was hit by but hit bad by EHD, but you 1:24:20.760 --> 1:24:25.080 have some deer that survive it, cactus bucks become more common. 1:24:25.120 --> 1:24:27.000 I shot this buck in twenty nineteen. I went through 1:24:27.040 --> 1:24:29.519 a check station on the way home. They had told 1:24:29.560 --> 1:24:31.160 me they checked about one hundred deer that day and 1:24:31.200 --> 1:24:33.719 this was the second cactus buck. So for that area 1:24:33.920 --> 1:24:36.080 it was about two percent of deer, but I think, 1:24:36.560 --> 1:24:37.760 you know, it could be all the way up to 1:24:37.760 --> 1:24:39.320 ten percent in some spots. 1:24:39.760 --> 1:24:42.200 I remember, I can't remember what some guys are telling 1:24:42.200 --> 1:24:46.880 me about. One of those islands in Alaska and more 1:24:46.960 --> 1:24:51.400 western Alaska that has the introduced Kimera field is a 1:24:51.400 --> 1:24:53.720 fog Nak or Kodiak or one of those islands has 1:24:53.800 --> 1:24:58.599 introduced you know, introduced blacktails. It's almost some area where 1:24:58.640 --> 1:25:00.720 it's just like a pile of them running around. I 1:25:01.000 --> 1:25:02.360 never found out if it was true or not, but 1:25:02.680 --> 1:25:07.320 it's just like common in some spot like it introduced herd. 1:25:07.520 --> 1:25:11.200 Yep, that was one of my favorite days of hunting. 1:25:11.280 --> 1:25:13.519 Ever. I found this to either two of the three 1:25:13.560 --> 1:25:15.240 things you like? Oh, what's the third? 1:25:15.760 --> 1:25:16.000 Four? 1:25:16.640 --> 1:25:18.479 What's the fourth? Where you like sports a little bit, 1:25:18.920 --> 1:25:22.960 you like your wife, you like stones. 1:25:22.520 --> 1:25:23.320 And you like bucks. 1:25:23.360 --> 1:25:24.120 That's right? Yeah? 1:25:24.520 --> 1:25:25.599 Are you with your wife that day? 1:25:25.680 --> 1:25:25.720 No? 1:25:25.840 --> 1:25:28.000 I wasn't. So you get two of the four things 1:25:28.000 --> 1:25:28.320 he likes. 1:25:28.479 --> 1:25:31.200 Yeah, one of my favorite rocks and one of my 1:25:31.200 --> 1:25:35.160 favorite bucks. Have you ever seen how they preserve the 1:25:35.240 --> 1:25:36.400 velvet on a deer? 1:25:36.479 --> 1:25:37.360 That was my next question. 1:25:37.439 --> 1:25:40.479 Yeah, they have like three ways. My understanding, that's going to. 1:25:40.479 --> 1:25:41.519 Live here in the studio for a while. 1:25:41.560 --> 1:25:44.760 Yeah, for sure. If if we're good with it, we're 1:25:44.800 --> 1:25:48.559 still decorating. We're still like three ways trivia mm hmm 1:25:49.080 --> 1:25:52.439 about cactus bucks. One of them is freeze drying, which 1:25:52.479 --> 1:25:53.479 I think has become more common. 1:25:53.560 --> 1:25:54.200 Hadn't heard that. 1:25:54.320 --> 1:25:56.320 Another one is they'll scrape the velvet off and then 1:25:56.320 --> 1:25:59.240 they'll put an artificial velvet on. I don't like spraying, 1:25:59.320 --> 1:26:00.280 you know, insuly. 1:26:00.200 --> 1:26:01.639 Yeah, I'm composed of that. 1:26:01.800 --> 1:26:03.400 And then the third way, which is how this one 1:26:03.479 --> 1:26:05.920 was done, is they have a chemical cocktail it's similar 1:26:05.960 --> 1:26:08.400 to embalming fluid that they just inject all over. 1:26:08.479 --> 1:26:09.760 I'm familiar with that. 1:26:09.760 --> 1:26:11.040 That's that's how this one preserved it. 1:26:11.439 --> 1:26:12.720 It's hard to take care of. 1:26:13.360 --> 1:26:16.479 Yeah, cost me an extra fifty dollars from the taxi gervists. 1:26:16.560 --> 1:26:18.240 Man, well, we used we used to hunt caribou in 1:26:18.280 --> 1:26:20.439 August when they had all that velvet. My god, is 1:26:20.439 --> 1:26:23.280 that stuff getting nasty? Man? Like, you don't think of flies. 1:26:23.640 --> 1:26:25.479 It's all full of blood, so you go to grab 1:26:25.560 --> 1:26:27.479 them and your hands get bloody. You don't think of 1:26:27.560 --> 1:26:32.320 flies getting on antler. Yeah, they love it. So it's 1:26:32.360 --> 1:26:35.120 just these fly ridden messes. And so I used to 1:26:35.120 --> 1:26:36.679 think that something. I was gonna try to save one, 1:26:36.680 --> 1:26:38.519 but you just can't. Yeah, and then it starts to 1:26:38.600 --> 1:26:40.960 rot and it's falling off and it's nasty. But I 1:26:40.960 --> 1:26:45.759 did want to get a big bunch of that velvet 1:26:46.080 --> 1:26:48.160 and get it tanned and make like a bra for 1:26:48.280 --> 1:26:53.439 my wife man lined with that antler velvet. 1:26:53.560 --> 1:26:55.519 Man, Uh huh, that's funny. 1:26:55.800 --> 1:26:56.320 This one was. 1:26:57.640 --> 1:27:00.599 Oh yeah, I wanted to do one out of like, Yeah, 1:27:00.640 --> 1:27:02.360 I always telling her about it. She's like, you just 1:27:02.360 --> 1:27:05.360 don't understand. 1:27:05.439 --> 1:27:07.280 I just don't understand you wouldn't get it. 1:27:07.640 --> 1:27:10.960 She doesn't understand to get her like a fur of 1:27:11.240 --> 1:27:13.000 velvet lined bra. 1:27:15.760 --> 1:27:17.240 Krin is that? Why is that not appealing? 1:27:18.840 --> 1:27:19.799 I find it appealing? 1:27:20.360 --> 1:27:24.360 Yeah, yeah, well Krinn, Yeah she also has animal part earings. 1:27:24.960 --> 1:27:26.920 I do it. 1:27:26.920 --> 1:27:28.519 See is like to be warmer and I'll get out. 1:27:28.640 --> 1:27:30.080 Yeah, I think it'd be real comfortable. 1:27:30.120 --> 1:27:32.680 She's like, it's just not a cold area, like your 1:27:32.680 --> 1:27:37.800 fingers get cold, cold, cold cold. 1:27:37.840 --> 1:27:40.080 You can think about it as I mean, I wouldn't 1:27:40.080 --> 1:27:42.400 think about it as whether it's insulating or not, but 1:27:42.439 --> 1:27:45.479 more just like a texture, like what's what's comfortable to 1:27:45.520 --> 1:27:45.880 the touch? 1:27:45.960 --> 1:27:46.200 Sure? 1:27:46.800 --> 1:27:49.680 Yeah, yeah, she's thinking about it the wrong way. 1:27:49.840 --> 1:27:52.200 She's like, it's like lots of things. 1:27:51.920 --> 1:27:54.880 Like your cheeks get cold, your hands get cold. 1:27:58.080 --> 1:28:00.320 Lauer, you shouldn't move forward with it. 1:28:00.479 --> 1:28:04.519 Yeah yeah that's great man. I like that. 1:28:05.200 --> 1:28:05.559 Thank you. 1:28:06.640 --> 1:28:08.280 That's true. We got what are we going to kick out? 1:28:09.360 --> 1:28:12.880 There's a lot of white space, there is this is 1:28:12.920 --> 1:28:14.679 this like the. 1:28:16.240 --> 1:28:20.960 We're going to keep redecorating and we oh, we should 1:28:21.000 --> 1:28:27.559 move our Warner Bratzler meat tenderizers. Put a little meat 1:28:27.560 --> 1:28:30.519 eater cap on him, call him warrener b. 1:28:31.000 --> 1:28:32.400 Yeah, or he can go on one of the other 1:28:32.439 --> 1:28:33.400 shelves in the new place. 1:28:33.800 --> 1:28:36.599 I'll point out this fossil is found on public land 1:28:36.720 --> 1:28:38.559 and was on b l M and it's not against 1:28:38.600 --> 1:28:41.439 the law. It's not against law. It's legal to collect 1:28:41.800 --> 1:28:46.160 common invertebrates. And they specifically call out you know, they're 1:28:46.400 --> 1:28:49.280 not very specific, but they say, like common invertebrates such 1:28:49.280 --> 1:28:53.640 as mollusks, clams, things like that, this would be a 1:28:53.640 --> 1:28:56.280 type of mollusk. They're very common. They' found around the world. 1:28:58.000 --> 1:28:59.320 So I kept it, and that's legal. 1:28:59.600 --> 1:29:01.960 I had a great exchange with Spencer one time. I 1:29:02.000 --> 1:29:04.240 think I hit you up on an inReach device, okay, 1:29:05.400 --> 1:29:09.640 And I said we had found a huge block of 1:29:09.720 --> 1:29:14.760 old seafloor. There was a clam bed, I remember, and 1:29:14.840 --> 1:29:17.800 my daughter wanted me to pack it out. Yep, it's 1:29:17.800 --> 1:29:19.839 still sitting there because this is about seventy pounds. 1:29:20.760 --> 1:29:22.040 It's quite a way is off the river. 1:29:22.120 --> 1:29:22.280 Huh. 1:29:23.040 --> 1:29:25.400 And I texted you about what are the rules. 1:29:25.080 --> 1:29:27.960 About it and what was the pounded you're allowed? 1:29:28.160 --> 1:29:32.519 Well, so they get into specifics for petrified wood. It's like, 1:29:33.680 --> 1:29:37.000 I think it's twenty five pounds a day. Can't exceed 1:29:37.600 --> 1:29:40.800 two hundred and fifty pounds in a year, and then 1:29:40.840 --> 1:29:43.479 they have something like you can't take a piece that's 1:29:43.600 --> 1:29:44.960 larger than X amount of pounds. 1:29:45.000 --> 1:29:45.960 I don't remember what that was. 1:29:46.439 --> 1:29:50.280 When it comes to the fossils, though, they just say 1:29:50.720 --> 1:29:56.080 you cannot collect to trade, barter or sell, and you 1:29:56.160 --> 1:29:58.040 must collect in reasonable quantities. 1:29:58.080 --> 1:29:59.920 That's what that's what the that's what you text. 1:30:00.000 --> 1:30:02.680 I don't know what a reasonable does it seem like 1:30:02.720 --> 1:30:03.920 a reasonable. 1:30:05.160 --> 1:30:05.519 Hat? 1:30:05.640 --> 1:30:07.120 It'd be a reasonable quantity. 1:30:07.320 --> 1:30:09.840 And I'm like, it's unreasonable that I would tote this 1:30:09.920 --> 1:30:12.160 out of here, but it seems like a reasonable quantity. 1:30:12.400 --> 1:30:14.120 But no, I propped it up. It's still sitting there 1:30:14.120 --> 1:30:14.800 where I found it. 1:30:17.080 --> 1:30:20.400 Presumably what's that unless someone thought it was a reasonable 1:30:20.479 --> 1:30:21.439 quantity and they. 1:30:21.439 --> 1:30:22.639 I don't think anyone could. 1:30:22.439 --> 1:30:27.040 Carry that out of there. Man. Uh, all right, one 1:30:27.120 --> 1:30:31.840 last thing, Max, you have your grand You've taken the 1:30:31.840 --> 1:30:33.479 possession of your grandfather's fishing hat. 1:30:34.400 --> 1:30:36.439 I wouldn't say it's a fishing hat, it's a do 1:30:36.520 --> 1:30:37.000 it all hat. 1:30:37.120 --> 1:30:38.200 Is he no longer with us? 1:30:38.320 --> 1:30:43.559 No, he's not. He passed away in twenty nineteen. Oh yeah, So. 1:30:43.600 --> 1:30:46.679 Did he specifically leave that hat to you? No? 1:30:46.800 --> 1:30:49.320 I think my dad took it and then I took 1:30:49.360 --> 1:30:50.400 it from my dad. 1:30:50.840 --> 1:30:54.920 Okay, but yeah, it's kind of a funny story behind 1:30:54.920 --> 1:30:55.320 this hat. 1:30:57.560 --> 1:31:00.400 It's uncomfortable as crap. If you can't see it now. 1:31:00.280 --> 1:31:02.360 It looks like very wax, very wax. 1:31:04.560 --> 1:31:13.559 It is like an old man hat, like a nice 1:31:13.560 --> 1:31:13.960 clean hat. 1:31:13.960 --> 1:31:17.439 Oh yeah, yeah, I'm bald. Like it's got to feel good, 1:31:17.720 --> 1:31:20.280 know that in your hat with antler velvet. 1:31:20.439 --> 1:31:22.240 Well, now that you. 1:31:22.240 --> 1:31:26.439 Mentioned that, it's not a bad idea, but my dad, 1:31:27.200 --> 1:31:29.479 it was my grandpa's birthday and my dad got that 1:31:29.800 --> 1:31:31.080 for my grandpa for his birthday. 1:31:31.920 --> 1:31:32.760 Well, not this hat. 1:31:32.800 --> 1:31:35.479 Sorry, he got a different hat for his birthday, and 1:31:35.520 --> 1:31:40.000 my Grandpa hated it, and so he took the hat 1:31:40.040 --> 1:31:42.599 that my dad gave him, put it on the shelf, 1:31:42.840 --> 1:31:45.200 went out, took my dad's credit card, bought this hat, 1:31:45.240 --> 1:31:48.880 which was more expensive, and didn't tell my dad about it. 1:31:48.960 --> 1:31:50.639 And then he was just walking around with his hat, 1:31:50.680 --> 1:31:52.880 and my Dad's like, hey, what happened to this hat? 1:31:53.479 --> 1:31:56.000 And Grandpa didn't say anything about it. And then my 1:31:56.080 --> 1:31:59.559 dad's birthday came around next month and the hat that 1:31:59.600 --> 1:32:02.720 my dad got my grandpa, my grandpa. 1:32:02.439 --> 1:32:03.439 Just gave it back to him. 1:32:03.439 --> 1:32:05.920 Sure, because he didn't like it as a present. Yeah, 1:32:05.960 --> 1:32:09.439 as a present and he found this at. 1:32:09.439 --> 1:32:10.720 Was that when you maint that was one of your 1:32:10.720 --> 1:32:11.679 main outdoor mentors? 1:32:11.760 --> 1:32:12.439 Yeah? Big time? 1:32:12.720 --> 1:32:14.799 Was he prone to stealing people's credit cards? 1:32:17.120 --> 1:32:19.400 I guess I don't know you do you wear that hat? 1:32:19.720 --> 1:32:20.360 I do not know. 1:32:20.520 --> 1:32:22.840 This hat sits on, sits on the wall, sits on 1:32:22.880 --> 1:32:25.000 the shelf, so keep sack. 1:32:25.280 --> 1:32:29.880 Yeah, big time. But yeah, I think my I think 1:32:29.880 --> 1:32:30.479 I was six. 1:32:31.160 --> 1:32:33.439 Uh, there's a photo of me my grandpa when we're 1:32:33.520 --> 1:32:36.120 when I was six out pheasant hunting and he's wearing 1:32:36.160 --> 1:32:36.479 this hat. 1:32:36.520 --> 1:32:38.320 Really yeah, it's pretty sweet. 1:32:39.120 --> 1:32:41.800 Think of all the adventures this hell oh, big time, 1:32:42.080 --> 1:32:42.559 big time. 1:32:43.479 --> 1:32:44.160 But no, I was. 1:32:44.120 --> 1:32:47.360 Just just trying to think of something cool to bring 1:32:47.400 --> 1:32:51.400 in and I was like, that's really cool to me 1:32:51.479 --> 1:32:53.880 because without my grandpa, I don't think I would have 1:32:54.520 --> 1:32:57.439 got involved in hunting. And then if I wouldn't have 1:32:57.439 --> 1:33:00.360 gotten involved in hunting, I would never picked up a camera. 1:33:00.840 --> 1:33:02.840 And if I never would have picked up camera, I 1:33:02.880 --> 1:33:03.840 wouldn't be here right now. 1:33:03.920 --> 1:33:07.280 So maybe we shouldn't put that on a shelf in 1:33:07.320 --> 1:33:09.360 the studio. I feel like it's a little too precious for. 1:33:09.479 --> 1:33:12.000 Well, what's the how do you preserve something like that? 1:33:12.040 --> 1:33:15.240 We're talking about the pistol. Only put some Scotch guard on. 1:33:16.760 --> 1:33:18.600 Like put it in like a blocks of apoxy. 1:33:18.760 --> 1:33:20.679 Oh yeah, you know what man? You know how people 1:33:20.720 --> 1:33:23.880 do that? Or they resin set it in the block. 1:33:25.400 --> 1:33:29.320 Man? If that I got real good, that's all I 1:33:29.320 --> 1:33:35.120 would do. I'd have like stuff that I was like, damn, 1:33:35.160 --> 1:33:36.000 shouldn't put that in there? 1:33:36.000 --> 1:33:37.479 You could build a house out all that. 1:33:38.479 --> 1:33:39.960 Oh yeah, just make your house out of stuff he 1:33:40.080 --> 1:33:42.679 sunk into blocks, all your cool stuff. 1:33:42.680 --> 1:33:44.080 You would need to hang it on the wall because 1:33:44.080 --> 1:33:44.720 it was the wall. 1:33:45.800 --> 1:33:46.519 That's very cool. 1:33:46.760 --> 1:33:47.840 I don't think I'll do that with this. 1:33:48.880 --> 1:33:51.679 Steve, did you know that Max is a fresh trivia champion? 1:33:52.160 --> 1:33:53.040 You won one? Yeah? 1:33:53.240 --> 1:33:53.679 Sure did? 1:33:53.840 --> 1:33:54.400 Who was there? 1:33:55.040 --> 1:33:55.280 Doctor? 1:33:56.120 --> 1:33:56.439 Who was there? 1:33:56.560 --> 1:33:57.280 Was Doctor Randall? 1:33:57.400 --> 1:33:58.439 Doctor Randall's there? 1:33:59.040 --> 1:34:00.400 Barren Square? Whooped down? 1:34:00.479 --> 1:34:00.920 Did you beat? 1:34:00.960 --> 1:34:01.040 You? 1:34:01.080 --> 1:34:01.360 Beat you? 1:34:01.439 --> 1:34:01.919 Honestly? 1:34:02.080 --> 1:34:05.920 There was a three way like you won one with 1:34:06.000 --> 1:34:07.920 doctor Randall and Brody in the room. Yep? 1:34:08.000 --> 1:34:09.200 Do you want to play the tiebreaker? 1:34:09.320 --> 1:34:09.639 Steve? 1:34:09.800 --> 1:34:12.320 See if you did gotten close, I'll ask you. 1:34:13.960 --> 1:34:14.600 A wrap show up? 1:34:14.600 --> 1:34:14.880 Go ahead? 1:34:15.080 --> 1:34:20.800 What year did Steve her when pass away? If you 1:34:20.840 --> 1:34:24.360 can remember he passed away by sting Ray was right. 1:34:24.960 --> 1:34:27.840 I didn't win trivia, but I got the tiebreaker. 1:34:27.960 --> 1:34:29.240 Yeah, you got the correct. 1:34:32.040 --> 1:34:34.960 Two thousand and six. Brody was right on the nose, 1:34:34.960 --> 1:34:37.160 so we had the extra hundred dollars donation. But he 1:34:37.200 --> 1:34:38.120 wasn't in the tiebreaker. 1:34:38.360 --> 1:34:39.800 You did that, Oh yeah, but you didn't let him 1:34:39.840 --> 1:34:40.000 win it. 1:34:40.040 --> 1:34:42.640 No, no, no, Max one, he said. Two thousand and eight. 1:34:42.920 --> 1:34:44.479 Me and Brody argued about that game. 1:34:44.520 --> 1:34:50.479 There an eight Brody did. Brody just sat there. But 1:34:50.520 --> 1:34:51.080 I had a lot of. 1:34:52.600 --> 1:34:55.360 You know, there's sore losers. I told Steve he's a 1:34:55.400 --> 1:34:56.040 sore winner. 1:34:59.000 --> 1:35:01.160 I had to yell over his bolt multiple times to 1:35:01.200 --> 1:35:03.160 give him various thoughts on why I felt like it 1:35:03.240 --> 1:35:04.480 was a scam. 1:35:04.680 --> 1:35:10.800 Uh huh, just what even though, all right, everybody, thanks 1:35:10.840 --> 1:35:13.880 for joining studios, shaping up. 1:35:13.880 --> 1:35:17.000 It's gonna look good. I like, whose idea was the muscos. 1:35:17.000 --> 1:35:17.680 That's great. 1:35:18.760 --> 1:35:20.040 It's a whole dang wall. 1:35:21.680 --> 1:35:22.719 Yeah something. 1:35:23.360 --> 1:35:25.280 Someday I'm gonna comb that and get all. 1:35:25.200 --> 1:35:31.880 The kiviat you remember giving me the yeah flies Halloween mask. 1:35:32.040 --> 1:35:34.640 I want to comb out enough of that stuff to 1:35:34.720 --> 1:35:37.240 have a hat made out of that kiviot. I think 1:35:37.240 --> 1:35:39.680 it's the word for it kivot, it's more. It's like 1:35:39.800 --> 1:35:43.320 better than any wool for insulatory quality. And I think 1:35:43.320 --> 1:35:45.000 you'd comb out a whole hat out of there, and 1:35:45.040 --> 1:35:46.800 you wouldn't even be able to tell from looking at 1:35:46.800 --> 1:35:48.400 it because it looks like a big foot hanging there. 1:35:48.720 --> 1:35:51.200 That's what I first thought walked in here. I thought 1:35:51.200 --> 1:35:52.040 someone got a big foot? 1:35:52.160 --> 1:35:53.559 Did you get did you get that? 1:35:54.360 --> 1:35:56.040 I killed that nan Back Island. 1:35:55.760 --> 1:35:57.600 And you thought it was a big foot. 1:36:00.040 --> 1:36:03.200 Years ago? Years ago, I drew, I don't even think 1:36:03.200 --> 1:36:05.639 you can draw it right now. Years ago I drew, 1:36:07.520 --> 1:36:15.840 uh uh muskox tag for none of that island. Yeah, 1:36:15.840 --> 1:36:18.240 it was like d x O one or something like 1:36:18.280 --> 1:36:22.120 that was the hunt number. And yeah, man was we 1:36:22.200 --> 1:36:24.400 had a good time. Steve. 1:36:24.400 --> 1:36:26.280 You're fixing to put First Light out of business with 1:36:26.320 --> 1:36:30.960 all this muskox and velvet clothing. 1:36:31.120 --> 1:36:32.240 Roll it into the lineup. 1:36:32.280 --> 1:36:35.240 Man, Yeah, I know that would be bad, wouldn't it? 1:36:36.360 --> 1:36:39.240 Because I could just picture them being like, you know, 1:36:39.560 --> 1:36:43.760 my brawl line came out. 1:36:46.120 --> 1:36:47.120 Okay, bye everybody. 1:36:47.840 --> 1:37:13.719 Thanks on the seal, gray shine like silver in the sun. Ride, Ride, 1:37:14.040 --> 1:37:21.880 Ride on alone, Sweetheart, were done, beat this damn horse 1:37:21.920 --> 1:37:29.960 to death, taking a new one and ride We're done 1:37:30.280 --> 1:37:35.400 beat this damn horse today, so take a new one 1:37:36.320 --> 1:37:37.000 and ride on