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Speaker 1: He tried his best for the last I don't know,

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Speaker 1: just an exciting day in the NBA. We have a

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Speaker 1: Basketball News. You guys remember him from the draft last year.

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Speaker 1: Good guy knows his NBA draft. We talked a little

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Speaker 1: I've known him for a while, and he's like, let

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Speaker 1: I don't think Paul George and Kauai is quite a

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Speaker 1: super team. I mean, just Reggie Jackson. Round that out.

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Speaker 1: Let's see what the Lakers can do. Golden State clearly

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Speaker 1: is not a super team, no matter what you think

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Speaker 1: of Andrew Wiggins Um. But the NBA's got like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say, Phoenix, Clippers, Golden State, Geez, Dallas, Denver, Memphis,

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Speaker 1: six great teams in the West. This is why Damian

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Speaker 1: Lillard staying in Portland is idiotic. I just rantled off

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Speaker 1: six really good legit contenders, and I mentioned like, I

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Speaker 1: mean maybe the Jazz say we'll run it back with

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Speaker 1: Mitchell and Golberta. They're still gonna be good. Minnesota, New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: New Orleans made the playoffs, pushed the Suns to six

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Speaker 1: and add their best player. Guys. The West is so

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Speaker 1: insane and I am on record, and I will be

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Speaker 1: betting it if you can bet um better record or

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Speaker 1: who will finish higher, Kings or Blazers. Kings finished three

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Speaker 1: games higher. Obviously, Um, you know, not having Damian Little

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Speaker 1: mattered for Portland, but I think the Kings Kings will

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Speaker 1: be better than them. And in the East, you know,

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Speaker 1: Heat Celtics, Buck Sixers, Nets, that's five really NBA, this

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Speaker 1: will probably be one of the better, more balanced NBA

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Speaker 1: seasons because there's no loaded no like absolutely loaded teams.

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Speaker 1: There's just a lot of really good teams with two stars. Um,

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Speaker 1: all right, I've gone on, I've prattled on long enough.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to our guest, Matt Babcock of Basketball News.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 1: think he knows everything when it comes the sports. I

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Speaker 1: know what sports stands want, but for everything he doesn't.

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Speaker 1: He knows a guy who does. Let's just say I

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Speaker 1: know a guy who knows a guy. He knows another guy.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's welcome into straight fire. A guy you

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Speaker 1: know basketball news. He's been on the pod, he is

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Speaker 1: big on the draft. He comes from a basketball family,

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Speaker 1: and it's NBA free agency. Let's bring him in. Matt Babcock.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, Matt Jason? My man, I'm doing well.

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Speaker 1: How are you? I'm excellent. Thanks for taking the time.

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Speaker 1: I know you and the family on vacation, but I

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Speaker 1: know you love NBA. You're a basketball whop head. And

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Speaker 1: first of all, listen, I had been pushing for Keegan

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Speaker 1: Murray for a sacramental all along. I am curious. We'll

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Speaker 1: start with that. What did you think of of Murray

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Speaker 1: going there? I love his prospects. I loved his his numbers.

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Speaker 1: I like his story. I'm not saying I don't like

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Speaker 1: Jay Navy. I just I like Keegan Murray, not just

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Speaker 1: for fit. I think you'll be a better overall player

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Speaker 1: in the current wing heavy NBA. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: Keegan Murray. I mean, he's one of these guys I

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Speaker 1: haven't talked to one person doesn't like him. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's there's just so much to like. You know, there's

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Speaker 1: not a whole lot of flaws in his game, and

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Speaker 1: he's just very productive. And he fits the modern game

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Speaker 1: too as far as being like a face up four

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Speaker 1: that's active, just makes a lot happen without the ball

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Speaker 1: in his hands, which which is hard to find. And

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Speaker 1: so I do. I do like the safety of the pick,

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Speaker 1: and I think it fits perfectly with Sacramento. My my

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Speaker 1: issue with it is I I'm very high on Jada

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Speaker 1: and Ivy. I think his upside is through the roof

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Speaker 1: um and just to pass on a guy that has

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Speaker 1: a chance to be a star, you know, could could

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Speaker 1: bite them in the butt in a couple of years.

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Speaker 1: If if Jaden were to develop how I how I

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Speaker 1: think and hope he will. I know that there are

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Speaker 1: shot doctors who can fix shots in the league. Cowhi

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Speaker 1: letter obviously got fixed in San Antonio. I just watch

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Speaker 1: Ivy shoot it, and I've heard people call it kind

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Speaker 1: of like a shot put. It doesn't look like a

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Speaker 1: supernatural for him, and he's a good shooter. I really

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Speaker 1: liked him at Purdue. I just I wonder, do you

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Speaker 1: think there's something funky about his shot or is there

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Speaker 1: no no concern at all? I mean, it's definitely not

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Speaker 1: not a strength of is I mean, his mechanics are

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Speaker 1: a little little uh you know, corkyated. I mean pretty

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Speaker 1: typical for such a such a great athlete. I mean

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Speaker 1: guys like that have have always you know, leaned on

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Speaker 1: their athleticism get into the hole, and I think that

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Speaker 1: I think he's a perfectly example of that. But you know,

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Speaker 1: he did shoot the ball well this year. You know,

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Speaker 1: even though he doesn't doesn't you know, look the part

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Speaker 1: it's not a pure stroke. I do think from a

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Speaker 1: mental standpoint, he's a tough kid that's already proven the

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Speaker 1: hit hit shots. So you're you're not starting from scratch

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Speaker 1: with him. And so if he can get to the

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Speaker 1: point where he's just a decent outside shooter, I still

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Speaker 1: think he has a chance to become a star. And

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know one guy that's always come up

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Speaker 1: with is Russell Westbrook. And Russell Westbrook, you know, it

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Speaker 1: was very similar as far as a jump shooter that

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Speaker 1: never it never really even got to the point that

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Speaker 1: he was overly efficient as an outside shooter, but he

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Speaker 1: did shoot it well enough. I mean, this guy was

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Speaker 1: the league m v P. I mean, obviously, you know,

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Speaker 1: Russ has got a lot of a lot of criticism

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Speaker 1: this past year, but I mean, look at look at

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Speaker 1: his career as a whole. It was a big time

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Speaker 1: athlete that you know, primer wise was just okay, um

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Speaker 1: I have he's got that kind of upside. So am

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Speaker 1: I concern with it? Yeah, it's a certain point, but

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Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, I think there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys um growth with outside shooting. His strengths translate

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Speaker 1: very well to you know, at least in my book.

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Speaker 1: Let's stick with Westbrook and this people. Again, this is

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Speaker 1: not a knock, but guys like iverson Westbrook, even John

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Speaker 1: Morant to an extent, they're so athletic and can do

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Speaker 1: so many aerial acrobatics around the rim in the lane

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Speaker 1: that it makes life kind of easy for them, Like

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Speaker 1: why do I need to develop an outside shot when

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Speaker 1: I could just dunk all over anybody and and and

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Speaker 1: and take people off the dribble. And they never really

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Speaker 1: develop a three point stroke and that ultimately hurts them

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Speaker 1: once they hit their early thirties, like Westbrook. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think he's the same age as Steph Curry, maybe

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Speaker 1: a year older, maybe a year younger, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but he looks like he's almost at ready to get

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Speaker 1: out of league. Allen Iverson ended very ugly. I just

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Speaker 1: wonder about Ivy and the shooting and where you are

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Speaker 1: for for players who are athletic as hell but not

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Speaker 1: great shooters. And again, Ivy, you know, adept at five

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Speaker 1: three is a game. I think he's last year party, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not for sure. And I think you bring up a

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Speaker 1: good point, and it's I mean, it's it's a totally

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Speaker 1: different conversation, but I agree with it in the sense

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Speaker 1: that the big time athletes, the shelf life is generally

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Speaker 1: shorter for for all the reasons you're saying. And then

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Speaker 1: like going back to Durant, Duran could probably play into

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Speaker 1: his forties and just be a spot up shooter. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's a seven foot shooter, um. And so I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think you know a a guy like that that's just

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Speaker 1: has length and skill, um, you know, I mean it

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Speaker 1: can play at a high level for a long time. Um,

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Speaker 1: so there's some truth to that for sure. And Westbrook,

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Speaker 1: I think what's happening is, you know, he's probably lost

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a step, you know, and um,

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Speaker 1: you know, his game has always been predicated on the

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Speaker 1: ball being in his hands, him being the primary guy,

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Speaker 1: and I think him just slipping a little bit. It's

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Speaker 1: is really being exposed of his style of play when

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Speaker 1: he's not the best player on the court. Isn't blending

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Speaker 1: that well, you know. And I feel really bad for

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Speaker 1: because he's such a competitive guy, and um, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just a rough year. I hope he could turn

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Speaker 1: turn around. I want to ask you this is selfishly.

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Speaker 1: I know you're a Bucks guy, but Hugo Besson, who

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Speaker 1: played for the New Zealand Breakers, Obviously, I I've talked

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Speaker 1: about a lot. I'm a minority owner the team. I

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Speaker 1: watched a lot of Hugo. I watched all the games

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Speaker 1: on YouTube TV. Obviously, the other player they had that

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Speaker 1: was drafted in lotteries is a great prospect. I like

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Speaker 1: bestall a lot twenty one years old. I'm curious where

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Speaker 1: you are on him. I know Bucks fans are gonna

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Speaker 1: be surprised. I'm telling you he is a competitor. I

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Speaker 1: think he plays a little bit this year. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure what's going on there with with him as

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Speaker 1: far as the NBA goes, But I mean I did

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Speaker 1: scout him pretty heavily and he was terrific at the combine.

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Speaker 1: I thought the combine helped him a lot of measured

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Speaker 1: well and he's got good size at six or six five,

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Speaker 1: but either guard spots. Um, yeah, no, I mean I

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Speaker 1: think he's I think he's got a chance of developing

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Speaker 1: into a rotational type guy in the next couple of years. Um,

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Speaker 1: I want to go to the three draft real quick, Matt.

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Speaker 1: And again, it is a year out. It's a fool's

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Speaker 1: Errand that being said, there's two superstars at the top,

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Speaker 1: and and I gotta ask, like, I don't we talked

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Speaker 1: to a guy who's written a book on tanking. I know,

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Speaker 1: you know, coming from your phone office pedigree, you're not

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Speaker 1: gonna like the idea of tanking. But there's two really

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Speaker 1: good prospects at the top of next year's draft. And

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Speaker 1: do you think we'll ultimately see teams maybe saying you

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Speaker 1: know what, we got off to a rough star. We

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Speaker 1: got some injuries, let's just let's bag it the way

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Speaker 1: the Spurs did to get Tim Duncan. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that will happen. I know, Adam Silver's doing everything possibly

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Speaker 1: can to the tweek things, so teams, you know, don't

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Speaker 1: do that. But when there's top guys like this, and

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Speaker 1: these guys are big time, I mean, you know, with

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Speaker 1: with Victor went by m and Scoot Henderson, I mean

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Speaker 1: I think both of them the chance of being generational talents.

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Speaker 1: I mean were personally a scouts in my group, we're

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Speaker 1: really excited to cover these guys this year. So I

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Speaker 1: do think there's me some teams got gunning for those

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Speaker 1: those pigs. I'm curious where you are. Like I saw

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Speaker 1: on Monday, I saw an Instagram clip of Scoot Henderson

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Speaker 1: and he's doing this ridiculous dunk that probably would win

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Speaker 1: the dunk contest. I mean, this kid is still only

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Speaker 1: seventeen years old, right, or is the eighteen now? I

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Speaker 1: mean he looks like he's ready for the NBA now

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, no last year, I mean yeah, he's played

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Speaker 1: the g leagnized the seventeen year old and like just

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Speaker 1: tore it up. I mean it's incredible. I mean, think

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Speaker 1: about that you're playing against grown men as a teenager.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty wild. And he's not he's not big and

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Speaker 1: he's only six six two six three. He does have big, big,

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Speaker 1: big hands and long arms. But you know, he really

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Speaker 1: reminds me of uh, Derrick Rose before he had all

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Speaker 1: the m v P m v P Derrick Rose. He's

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Speaker 1: he's very hard to contain. He's he's always coming at

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Speaker 1: you north south and just incredibly explosive. And I actually

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Speaker 1: got to know that the kid before he went to

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Speaker 1: the G League. Knight his uh his high school coach

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Speaker 1: invite me out to Atlanta, spent some time with him

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Speaker 1: and his family, and um, what what a what a

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Speaker 1: what an incredible kid. I mean, big time worker. Like

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Speaker 1: during the pandemic, he was doing three days as a teenager.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, yeah, the kid, the kids got

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Speaker 1: it and he's got the talent, but he's got the

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Speaker 1: mental approach that that you'd want from from stars. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's got sort of the Kobe Bryant Michael Jordan's type

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Speaker 1: thing to him. And so I have a lot of

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Speaker 1: confidence that he's gonna be a big time guy. And

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Speaker 1: what about um Victor, Yeah, I mean I don't know.

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Speaker 1: People are saying that, like he might be the best

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Speaker 1: international prospects since Luca May. I mean he would listen,

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Speaker 1: Joannice was not the biggest international prospect ever, right right,

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Speaker 1: not for sure. I mean he's he's, uh the most

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Speaker 1: unique prospect I've probably ever covered. I mean obviously had

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Speaker 1: you porzingas that have been mobily last year, chet holg

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Speaker 1: him this year. He's big, he's skilled, he's he's you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the stuff that he does it's just mind blowing. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And so I mean he's you know, he's like all

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Speaker 1: those guys, except he's as big as porzingis. He's seven

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Speaker 1: for three, He's got this insane wingspan. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: guy is like leading the break, he's going behind his back,

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Speaker 1: He's shooting threes. I mean, it's it's unbelievable. See, he

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Speaker 1: does need to add strength, but he's an eighteen year

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Speaker 1: old kid what most of these guys do. And uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, preparing him to the CHET, I do think

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Speaker 1: his body type. UM, I have more confidence he's gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to add weight or functional weight than than cheat. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's he's unbelieving these two guys, we're gonna have forgot

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun this year when you obviously Chet

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Speaker 1: is super thin, he's gotta get in the weight and

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant was super thin, but Ken convict step out

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Speaker 1: and consistently hit the three? Is that if that's in

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Speaker 1: his bag? What are we talking about here? Like potentially

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Speaker 1: a generational guy, I think so, I mean, and yes,

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Speaker 1: he I do believe he could, uh, you know, really

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Speaker 1: knock down from outside. And I mean he's shooting threes

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Speaker 1: like off the dribble. I mean the wait, wait till

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Speaker 1: you see this kid. He's he's unbelievable. And when I

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Speaker 1: said mind blowing, I mean he does he does several

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Speaker 1: things in each game. I've watched that literally, you know,

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Speaker 1: just blows your mind. And so um, yeah, I do

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Speaker 1: think he's got a chance of developing into being a

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Speaker 1: generational type guy. And you know, Grant, I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: it's a hard thing to really pinpoint when we're talking

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Speaker 1: about a eighteen year old kids. I mean, think things

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Speaker 1: things need to go right. But I mean as far

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Speaker 1: as you value as a prospect and upside, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's about as good as the kids at this point.

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Speaker 1: All right, Matt, how are you gonna spend the rest

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Speaker 1: of your summer now that the NBA's on the shelf.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to Vegas for Summer League? Yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: be uh in Vegas for summary for for three or

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Speaker 1: four nights. I'm actually on vacation now with my family.

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Speaker 1: Were ever out at this branch in Colorado fishing and

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Speaker 1: horseback ride and um. But you just get a little

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Speaker 1: you know, regroup a little bit, and uh get back

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Speaker 1: at it and in July, all right, man, enjoy the vacation.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for taking the time, Matt. And uh maybe I'll

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Speaker 1: see in Vegas. I got a head out there place

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Speaker 1: the NFL futures bet so, uh hopefully i'll run into

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Speaker 1: you a summer all right. Thanks, take care,