WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Favorite Pick?

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<v Speaker 1>The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dallas Cowboys Football Clubs. Are you ready for

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<v Speaker 1>a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 1>Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Wednesday, May fifth, twenty twenty one, Season sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Episode number one, O eight. Welcome to the latest edition

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<v Speaker 1>of The Break. We are presented by Geico. We're in

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<v Speaker 1>the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. Got Nick David

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<v Speaker 1>Amber with me. We're talking Cowboys Draft. We're gonna break

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<v Speaker 1>down everything that we saw happen last week. He enter

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<v Speaker 1>in the NFL Draft. Cowboys had lots of selections. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to tell you how they were going to fit

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<v Speaker 1>into this team. Before we do that, though, we need

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<v Speaker 1>to catch up on a little news. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>start first with Layton vander Esh Cowboys decided Monday that

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<v Speaker 1>they were not going to that they were going to

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<v Speaker 1>decline to take his fifth year option. My question for you,

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<v Speaker 1>guys is what are the advantages and disadvantages of the

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys making this decision. Let's start with you, Nick. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the advantages are that they don't have to set the

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<v Speaker 1>floor of his contract negotiations at nine million per season,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's sort of what happens when you do like

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<v Speaker 1>the Let's say like when Dak and d Law they

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<v Speaker 1>got the franchise tag and then even though they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to do a long term deal, it's like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>well this is you know, franchise tag for twenty million

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<v Speaker 1>or for d Law. So this is where it needs

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<v Speaker 1>to start. And so I think if you're doing negotiations,

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<v Speaker 1>if you did that, I believe that you'd have to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of started at nine million. So you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to do I don't think it means that they're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to keep him on the team or they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to try to make him, but they don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>be guaranteed nine million I think for next year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it just I mean the advantage is that they're not

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<v Speaker 1>on the hook. And in addition to what Nick just said,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not on the hook to pay that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if you GIF, you if you guarantee the option, you're

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<v Speaker 1>paying that in twenty twenty two, no matter what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean if he and you know, God forbid

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<v Speaker 1>knock on wood, but if he tores acl week two

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<v Speaker 1>of this season, that, I mean, that's still something that

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<v Speaker 1>you got to deal with. So it it gives you

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<v Speaker 1>financial flexibility and the freedom to make that decision in

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<v Speaker 1>the future, as opposed to committing long term, which typically

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<v Speaker 1>when you guarantee the option, it's almost like ceremonial because

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, we will have a long term deal worked

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<v Speaker 1>out before you even start on that fifth year option.

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<v Speaker 1>Buy and large so just gives you flexibility. Does that

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<v Speaker 1>also mean that they are okay with the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>not having him, because when you do this, that means

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<v Speaker 1>that he will become he has the ability to become

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<v Speaker 1>a free agency If he doesn't want a free agent,

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<v Speaker 1>if he doesn't want to accept whatever deal you put

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<v Speaker 1>in front of him, he can walk. And does that

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<v Speaker 1>signal that the Cowboys are like, well, we're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>okay with that if it gets to that point. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that it was evident in the draft. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think that because of the draft, I

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<v Speaker 1>think they became okay with that more so than they were,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, earlier in the week. I mean, they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know how the draft was going to go, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they got a couple of guys that probably changed their

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<v Speaker 1>opinion Abody and they said it has no no weight

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<v Speaker 1>on that. But I don't know. I don't believe that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think you can you can draft

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<v Speaker 1>those two guys and say, well, it didn't affect the

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<v Speaker 1>decision of Layton Vanderscher. I think it did. I absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>think it did. And I mean Layton and Jalen. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, getting obviously Michael Parsons and then Jabril Cox,

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<v Speaker 1>who most people agree fell a little bit is more

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<v Speaker 1>talented than his draft slot suggests. I think it gives

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<v Speaker 1>them the flexibility to make decisions on both of those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love that. I love not being painted into

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<v Speaker 1>a corner at any position on the depth chart. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's exactly what they achieved. And you think

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<v Speaker 1>that was the right decision Cowboys decide not deciding not

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<v Speaker 1>to take the fifth year option. Absolutely, I mean, how

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<v Speaker 1>can you with someone that has been hurt as much

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<v Speaker 1>as he has. I think that you shouldn't take that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of rushed chance. Even though they're saying that they're

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<v Speaker 1>still interested in the long term deal, which is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of what you have to say. I mean, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to let the player know that you're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>done with them and don't care about them anymore. But

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<v Speaker 1>I just I think they thought it very well and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a smart move not to do it, especially

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<v Speaker 1>after the deal that you had made with Jayleen Smith

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<v Speaker 1>and the way he performed last year, and we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about him all the time. But I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really don't know how the Cowboys truly feel

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<v Speaker 1>about signing or extending Jaylen Smith contract and seeing the

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<v Speaker 1>way that he's been performing since. So I think they

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<v Speaker 1>thought it through very well and it was a good decision. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think there will be a lot of things that

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<v Speaker 1>will be decisions the Cowboys will have to make it

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<v Speaker 1>the linebacker position over the next couple of years, because

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, I don't think that after this year,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think Jalen's contract is one they couldn't get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of if they chose to do that, obviously, LV

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<v Speaker 1>would be a free agent at that point. They've got

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<v Speaker 1>two young guys they just drafted that are on rookie deal,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're not paying a ton of money relatively speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>for those guys. So Cowboys have a lot of decisions

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<v Speaker 1>to make a linebacker, and we'll see how that plays

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<v Speaker 1>out for them. Let's talk about the draft. Let's dive

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<v Speaker 1>in a little bit more to that, and I first

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<v Speaker 1>want to start just kind of big picture. I want

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<v Speaker 1>each you guys are gonna go round the table, and

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to tell me your biggest like from

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<v Speaker 1>the draft, the thing you like the most of the

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys did during the draft. Let's start first with you, Dave.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing that I liked the most is probably they

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<v Speaker 1>ensured themselves in this linebacker conversation. And you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not shy or reluctant to say Michael Parsons is not

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<v Speaker 1>who I would have drafted, even after trading back. That's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>He's a hell of a talented player. Again, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've said this a few times. I wonder, and they

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<v Speaker 1>certainly don't regret drafting Mica, but if they had known

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<v Speaker 1>that they could have gotten Jabril Cox later, I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if it would have affected what they did. And obviously

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way to know that, but it's interesting. But

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<v Speaker 1>two great players, two guys who bolstered the depth chart

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<v Speaker 1>right away. And again I love the flexibility. You're not

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<v Speaker 1>married to Layton Vanders, You're not married to Jalen Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of fun stuff you can do with

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<v Speaker 1>both of those guys. Cox's big attribute as his ability

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<v Speaker 1>and coverage, which is something this team hasn't had from

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<v Speaker 1>a linebacker recently. And Parsons, I mean, what can't you

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<v Speaker 1>do with him? I mean he can rush the passer,

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<v Speaker 1>he can blitz, he's athletic enough to drop in coverage.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just you know, linebacker is a strength again,

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<v Speaker 1>which it hasn't been in a couple of years. So

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely liked that a lot. I mean, the Parsons

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<v Speaker 1>pick is I don't have a problem with it, but

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<v Speaker 1>adding Jabril Cox on top of that, I thought was

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<v Speaker 1>was really great. I'll costume one thing. We think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a strength because we also thought, well two years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta get on the teen. Well that the things

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<v Speaker 1>I know I'm saying. After we finished twenty and eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>we thought the linebacker corps was as good as as

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<v Speaker 1>any other position on the team, and we found out

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<v Speaker 1>later not so much. So that's something first to keep

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<v Speaker 1>an eye on. Amber Well, to me, it was defense,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that most of it was defense. I was

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<v Speaker 1>very pleased. Although most of these guys I had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea who they were to be honest, Like, after the

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<v Speaker 1>first pick, I'm like, okay, who is this guy? No idea,

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<v Speaker 1>but get to learn about them a little bit more. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>what same for you? Names that I feel like I've

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<v Speaker 1>never heard, not heard of one of the players after

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<v Speaker 1>the first round. You didn't hear about Cox, not not

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<v Speaker 1>until little couple of days before. Not in though the process. No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I should have you picked off Arkansas in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the game and almost scored. I wasn't watching that

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<v Speaker 1>about to say you should have known? Not right, Yellen,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure so I didn't hearing the name. You're probably

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<v Speaker 1>throwing stuff. You didn't miss my remote thrower. Sorry ahead. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>Despite all that, I think that, um, the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>with eleven guys and most of them being defensive players,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a higher chance of hitting some right, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>getting some players that will turn out okay, because we

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<v Speaker 1>the previous weeks, you know, we went through the past

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<v Speaker 1>drafts and we looked at these talents and how they

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<v Speaker 1>turned out over the years. I think that with the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of players on the defensive side, of the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you have a bigger chance or higher chance for

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<v Speaker 1>you to get a couple that will turn out all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm feeling good. Don't know many of them, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping that a couple of them will turn out

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<v Speaker 1>all right and will actually help this defense. Biggest light

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<v Speaker 1>nick um, biggest like the I like the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at the themes. Okay, there's four themes

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<v Speaker 1>that I could come up with. Number one, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of defense. Defense was the theme of it. Number two,

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<v Speaker 1>big players, I mean, big quarterbacks, big run stoppers, big linebacker, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, big safety, just bigger players. Receivers, huge too,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, so just size. A third theme is that, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you better know how to pronounce these guys because they're

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<v Speaker 1>not easy, you know. And the fourth one, not looking

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<v Speaker 1>forward to that part, yeah, is um, you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>they got some they got some issues, some of them

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<v Speaker 1>got some got some history to them, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them have some have confidence walking in

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<v Speaker 1>the door. I don't know how many comparisons we saved. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be the best of this, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be the best or I'm a better Richard Sherman,

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, wow, So confidence is not something that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>really lacking here. So there's a lot of themes. I

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<v Speaker 1>like them all, but I like the fact that they

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<v Speaker 1>size was a big issue here and they look like

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<v Speaker 1>they addressed it. Okay, so let's flip it. Biggest dislike Dave,

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<v Speaker 1>I just kind of what Nick just touched on. I

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<v Speaker 1>said this over the weekend, and I still think it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is the draft with the most boomer

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<v Speaker 1>bust potential that I have ever covered. I think two

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<v Speaker 1>or three years from now, we could look back and say,

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<v Speaker 1>holy crap, this was amazing. Look at you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>found like two Pro bowlers and four really quality starters contributors.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we could also look back in two or

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<v Speaker 1>three years and be like, yep, that's why they suck,

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<v Speaker 1>because this draft class did not I mean, they all

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<v Speaker 1>washed out and like there's there's especially with the big picks.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of concern um Mike, like the character

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<v Speaker 1>issues with Mica. From everything I've heard, they don't they

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<v Speaker 1>don't concern me that much. I actually me and Kelsey

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<v Speaker 1>Charles interviewed his defensive coordinator at Penn State yesterday and

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<v Speaker 1>was very encouraged by what I hear heard, So that'll

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<v Speaker 1>be on the site later this week. Um, but like

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's so raw, he's he's he has he hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>turned twenty two yet, he hasn't played in a year.

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<v Speaker 1>He's only played linebacker for two years, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>So there's the potential that he's only scratching the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also the potential that this is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a heck of an adjustment for him. Like it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to say Kelvin Joseph again, you know, everything I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>is that he's he's not like a bad guy like

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<v Speaker 1>you hear a character concerns. I don't get the impression

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<v Speaker 1>that he's a bad person. And I've you know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>talked to people at ls A difference. Yeah, absolutely, I've

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<v Speaker 1>talked to people at LSU about this. Like I heard

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<v Speaker 1>rave reviews about like his work, ethic and his character.

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<v Speaker 1>But you talk about like how focused are you can,

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<v Speaker 1>like can you handle being a professional football player and

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<v Speaker 1>dedicating what you need to dedicate to being good at football?

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<v Speaker 1>Because he's got a rap career. He was suspended from

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<v Speaker 1>LSU's bowl game a couple of years ago, So there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's history that suggests that keeping him on the straight

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<v Speaker 1>and narrow could be a bit of a challenge. And

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<v Speaker 1>then obviously Josh Ball being a big one as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry all of them, We're gonna go through all the

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<v Speaker 1>picks he has. Think I think I think he's talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the three that have the issues with that being

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<v Speaker 1>the weakness of for him of this draft. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and so Josh Ball being the last one,

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<v Speaker 1>which those are some really serious allegations eleven to for

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<v Speaker 1>an allegations of domestic violence. That's not what you want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear. So if all of these guys are ready

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<v Speaker 1>to go and ready to embrace professionalism and all that stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be really great. If they're not, then it

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<v Speaker 1>could lead to some problems. I will say. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>like they drafted some really high character guys as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I encourage anybody that hasn't done it to go read

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<v Speaker 1>about um Osa Diggi Zooa's openness with mental health and

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<v Speaker 1>what he's gone through with his family. Really fascinating. John

0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:30.520
<v Speaker 1>cy Golston high character guy. His coaches at IOWA loved him,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jabril Cox as well. So done rambling now, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's there's concerns there that we're not used to seeing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they drafted Randy Gregory, They've done this at times,

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<v Speaker 1>but to take three big swings in one draft, it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be interesting to see how it pans out. Camper. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean to pig it back on that, because dislike for

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<v Speaker 1>me of this draft overall, just basically what I said

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<v Speaker 1>to begin with, the fact that these were guys that

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know much about, and maybe that's on me.

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<v Speaker 1>To hear people like Nick say anything either, it makes

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<v Speaker 1>me feel better, you know. But aside from that, once

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<v Speaker 1>you start knowing about these guys and you hear the

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<v Speaker 1>things that they've just mentioned, and you're like, Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not one to judge, and I don't know much about

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<v Speaker 1>them just yet. I don't know enough to form an opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>But the fact that all of that is out there,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, Okay, do we seriously always need to get

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<v Speaker 1>someone that has some kind of like baggage with them?

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<v Speaker 1>And we don't know again, how that's all gonna pan out.

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<v Speaker 1>But after last year and seeing and I wasn't in

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<v Speaker 1>the locker room, but I feel like the past two

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<v Speaker 1>years kind of the dynamic and everyone kind of clicking

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<v Speaker 1>together and just no drama and everything just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be working out, and it appears to be

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<v Speaker 1>working out. As far as the people within that locker room,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes me wonder. I'm like, are we gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>through one of those years again where you have someone

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't quite fit in? For example, tackle Charlton that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he didn't have all that stuff um on

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<v Speaker 1>his back. But as far as like fitting in within

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<v Speaker 1>the group, that does concern me. It does concern me

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<v Speaker 1>whether someone will get um suspended during the season. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't need any of that happening again, especially on the

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<v Speaker 1>defensive side of the ball, which seems to be always

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<v Speaker 1>the area where a player gets suspended. But other than that,

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<v Speaker 1>are they going to fit in? Are they going to

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<v Speaker 1>fit in with the group and everybody else in there?

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<v Speaker 1>So that's my biggest uh. I would say, dislike as

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<v Speaker 1>of right now, all right, didn't like the second round pick,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's I just I don't think that's a we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's a good pick. Um you need

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<v Speaker 1>the corner to come in and play. And I understand

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<v Speaker 1>that they took the best talented guy that they had,

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<v Speaker 1>but um, you know if you're just talking about a dislike.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I was really hoping the Raiders did not

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<v Speaker 1>take Mariga in there right before, because I think that

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<v Speaker 1>broke the tie. It was. It was a fifty fifty

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<v Speaker 1>right there, and I think, and maybe maybe we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>take the cornerback anyways, But he just doesn't seem like

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<v Speaker 1>he's committed, fully committed, fully committed to playing football. That

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<v Speaker 1>is what it seems like. I could be wrong. They

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<v Speaker 1>do their homework, They do their homework way more than

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<v Speaker 1>we do, so um, but I don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I don't love the pick because I think you're counting

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<v Speaker 1>on him so much and there's two SEC teams that

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't count on him. So you answered the second part

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<v Speaker 1>of my next question. I want you to to answer the

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<v Speaker 1>first your favorite pick and then your least favorite pick.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously was Kelty Kentucky, Kentucky, you got your big boy, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think I think, I really think sixth rounds,

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<v Speaker 1>you can say, well, how much is he going to contribute?

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<v Speaker 1>First of all six rounders on this team the last

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<v Speaker 1>few years, there's always one that seems to make us

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<v Speaker 1>to stick. But I think that he's gonna have a

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<v Speaker 1>role because who else looks like him, who else can

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<v Speaker 1>do what he does, and they had a higher grade

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<v Speaker 1>on him, So you know, I don't know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not many six round picks that the defensive coordinator

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<v Speaker 1>actually talks about him in the press conference of where

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna play. So I I like the Bohanna pick.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm you know, And if I'm wrong about Joseph, that

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<v Speaker 1>that's great. I mean, I just think they need to

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<v Speaker 1>count on him so much and he's gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>mature and maybe, you know, maybe he will, maybe being

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<v Speaker 1>here and the Cowboys can kind of help with that,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll see. But I mean, that's if you're just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say which one, and I would say that that one.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why my favorite one was Bohanna. All right, I

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<v Speaker 1>promise it has nothing to do with where I went

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<v Speaker 1>to school. But I just think you're bro. No, it

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<v Speaker 1>really doesn't, you know, But LETNNA tell you why it does.

0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.080
<v Speaker 1>The reason why it does because you've watched him so much,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know what you love about it, right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the irony. I mean, I watched him all last year,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was the only year he was there. Like

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't a guy that I've followed since he was eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think he he's a hell of a football player.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a high character guy. He literally we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>him on this show. We did, and I love his stories.

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<v Speaker 1>He literally was like North Dakota State's not hard enough

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<v Speaker 1>for me. I want to go to the SEC and

0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.040
<v Speaker 1>he bawled out. He was the only good thing about

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<v Speaker 1>LSU's team last year. And I again, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>this for sure, but I wonder because I think I

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<v Speaker 1>bet they started talking about him. No, I know they

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<v Speaker 1>did in the third round, like pick seventy five. They

0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:13.000
<v Speaker 1>were like he was in the conversation from then on,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wonder if they had known that they could

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<v Speaker 1>have gotten him on Day two for sure. Maybe they

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<v Speaker 1>draft Rushans later. I don't know that. Maybe they still

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<v Speaker 1>draft Michael Parsons, and that's fine, but it's interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>think about. He can cover and that's what you need

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<v Speaker 1>in a linebacker in the modern NFL. Again, like not

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<v Speaker 1>worried about his focus or his commitment or any of

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff. And they got him at pick one fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a great value, just awesome value. This, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know I'm not here to judge the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't charged with the crime, but the Josh Ball

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like he just you don't want to have to

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<v Speaker 1>think about stuff like that perfectly, Like you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to have to say this, what's what's this guy doing

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<v Speaker 1>when he goes home? I don't know? And again again

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<v Speaker 1>was not charged with the crime. Not my place, but

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<v Speaker 1>it just kind of makes you feel icky a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit when you hear stuff like that. I really do.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll throw in, you know, the draft nerds, the

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<v Speaker 1>Nishan Right one. It's funny because I feel like people

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<v Speaker 1>are going to judge this draft more on Nishan Right

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<v Speaker 1>than Michael Parsons, because like everybody is like, well, Michael

0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Parsons is the most talented defender in this class, like

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<v Speaker 1>you got you gotta draft him, and if it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>work out, that's just the draft. But Nishan Right, the

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys are much higher on this guy than seemingly everybody else.

0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.760
<v Speaker 1>And that doesn't mean they're wrong, but it is going

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<v Speaker 1>to make that really interesting as we see how his

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<v Speaker 1>career unfolds. And it does also make an interesting point

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<v Speaker 1>of where could you have gotten him? If everybody else

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<v Speaker 1>but that's hard this year, unlike every other year. Usually

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<v Speaker 1>your scouts are out and they're running into other scouts

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<v Speaker 1>as they're on the road, so they're kind of getting

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<v Speaker 1>an idea of what teams stink of players they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have that this year. Will talked about that on Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>Night Will McClay and I love it because he's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's the same thing like if you go back

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<v Speaker 1>and listen to our draft coverage, you know, Day Brugler

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<v Speaker 1>does more work on the draft than anybody. I respect

0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.360
<v Speaker 1>him implicitly. He had I think he had a six

0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.399
<v Speaker 1>seventh round grade on right. But the minute an NFL

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<v Speaker 1>team drafts a guy in the third round, you start thinking, like, shoot,

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<v Speaker 1>like did I miss something? Did they miss something? And

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, you're second guessing yourself. Again respect

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of other people that do this for a

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<v Speaker 1>living as well. But then they go home and watch

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<v Speaker 1>rite and they're like, oh yeah, like I can sort

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<v Speaker 1>of see it like maybe like a fourth round, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, the fact that a team was

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<v Speaker 1>willing to draft him ninety nine. It just it affects

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<v Speaker 1>your opinion. It just does. And so I'll be fascinated

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<v Speaker 1>to see, you know, not having that think that that

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<v Speaker 1>group think where you know, scouts go out on the

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<v Speaker 1>road and they watch the workout and the guy from

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<v Speaker 1>the Cardinals is like, this guy as a baller, and

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden you're like, yeah, like, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>he is. So it's gonna be fascinating. Are the Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>a lot smarter than everybody else? Or did they get

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<v Speaker 1>this way wrong? It's gonna be fascinating. Yep, I got

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<v Speaker 1>a point to that too, but I'll finish here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>favorite and least favorite. Favorite would have to be Parsons

0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:05.960
<v Speaker 1>one because it's the one I know the most about.

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<v Speaker 1>But two because after Horn and certain were gone, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the one position that I really wanted the Cowboys to

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<v Speaker 1>draft was linebacker aside from cornerback. So I was glad

0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.800
<v Speaker 1>that they did address that position. And I said it

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<v Speaker 1>last week on the show that that would be a

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<v Speaker 1>high it is a very high necessity right now for

0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:31.080
<v Speaker 1>the team. So that would be my most like pick

0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:35.080
<v Speaker 1>because especially because of the position, and the least one,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess Joseph second, just because as soon as he

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<v Speaker 1>was picked, I mean, here comes Nick to the whole

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<v Speaker 1>room and starts telling his whole background and everything that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I just was listening to the draft show, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, it was before day laid it all out

0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:57.160
<v Speaker 1>on the draft Dave. Dave actually knew this was happening

0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:00.480
<v Speaker 1>way before the draft started. Yeah, you mean you were

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<v Speaker 1>plugged in on this one, and he knew this was

0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:05.359
<v Speaker 1>gonna be the guy. So we're like, let's look into it.

0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:08.879
<v Speaker 1>And then just hearing more stuff and you're like, so

0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.520
<v Speaker 1>you walked in there as soon as they made the pick,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he starts telling, oh, man, you know I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard about this guy. And then he goes on and

0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:21.440
<v Speaker 1>tells the whole story of everything that he's dealing with.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you're like, okay, you know it puts an opinion. Yeah,

0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:30.639
<v Speaker 1>it puts everybody in the room. It's like, oh really,

0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:35.399
<v Speaker 1>oh wow, okay, so you start forming an opinion based

0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.120
<v Speaker 1>on that. So instantly I was like, Oh, you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>be kidding me. We got a guy that has an

0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.960
<v Speaker 1>old ad with him football, rap, football, rap. You know,

0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.560
<v Speaker 1>he's not the first, not the first professional athlete to

0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:48.719
<v Speaker 1>have a RAP career and and be able to do

0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:51.240
<v Speaker 1>the job. Well no, no, no, not not at all.

0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:55.639
<v Speaker 1>It's just yeah, he I mean, let's don't get into it.

0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:59.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like I think the priorities though that that

0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:01.520
<v Speaker 1>would be one that you would question. And then there

0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:03.400
<v Speaker 1>was a little moment there, I guess when he maybe

0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:06.480
<v Speaker 1>in between schools, when you weren't sure what he wanted.

0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:09.800
<v Speaker 1>And he's probably he's not the first twenty one, twenty

0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:11.919
<v Speaker 1>two year old in the world that didn't know what

0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:14.439
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to do with his life. That that happens

0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:17.440
<v Speaker 1>all the time. So I mean, I hope I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>wrong here. I mean, you know, last year was a

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<v Speaker 1>weird year to also gauge anybody of what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>but I wanted to make another point of what he

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<v Speaker 1>was saying about, like Nashan right now, guys like that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I always I always throw out the Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Hitchens story. It's one of my favorite stories because I

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<v Speaker 1>just remember he was a six or seventh round pick.

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<v Speaker 1>Rod Marinelli just really loved what he could do for

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<v Speaker 1>this defense. And I think when you're looking at the

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<v Speaker 1>mcshay's and mel Kipers didn't even Dane Brugler. They they

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<v Speaker 1>do these scouting reports for players for any scheme, for

0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:53.840
<v Speaker 1>any team. They just grade them that way. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think the Cowboys obviously, like any team with the great

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<v Speaker 1>I'm based off of what their team is. What that

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean there was a cornerback from Washington

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of fell I don't know where he got drafted,

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<v Speaker 1>corner Molden. Oh oh, like he was the next pick

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<v Speaker 1>off the board. Yeah, but like they I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean from what I heard that they didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>to do with them. Um, dan Quinn was like, where

0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:19.720
<v Speaker 1>I play this guy? So he didn't fit in his

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<v Speaker 1>scheme and where the Nashan right? Maybe you know, some

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<v Speaker 1>teams may not even had him rated that high. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying you have to be specific to what

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking for. And sometimes these draft experts, they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing it across the board so that they may think

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<v Speaker 1>he's a little great for them because they're not running

0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:39.080
<v Speaker 1>this defense, they're not running this type of scheme. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a little bit it's a little bit different

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<v Speaker 1>and tricky when you're talking about guys in the mid

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<v Speaker 1>rounds of what the preference would be. Yeah. I think

0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:48.480
<v Speaker 1>you make a great point because as we all know,

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<v Speaker 1>like teams draft traits, they draft things, they see in

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<v Speaker 1>players that that makes them think they can work with

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<v Speaker 1>the system they have. And it's very clear here they

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<v Speaker 1>want big, long, lengthy corners. And so for them, they

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<v Speaker 1>look at his skill set and they say, hey, there's

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<v Speaker 1>another guy that may have some of the skill sets,

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<v Speaker 1>but this guy has a lot more links, a lot

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:08.760
<v Speaker 1>more size will take him right. And so I think

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<v Speaker 1>that that has to be considered when you're trying to

0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:13.840
<v Speaker 1>evaluate how the Cowboys did. Have you seen the flea flicker?

0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:17.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, nobody runs a flee flicker in college or

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<v Speaker 1>pro football without it getting sent to me somehow on Twitter.

0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:24.240
<v Speaker 1>Like everything that happens always I'm alerted by well Tyler

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:30.200
<v Speaker 1>or fahicco Simi Tyler. Oh that's the last guy. Simio

0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:34.000
<v Speaker 1>scores a touchdown on a on a flee flicker. There's

0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:36.920
<v Speaker 1>our guy, Sean Wright in the background chasing the play.

0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:39.239
<v Speaker 1>So and I was like, you know, what can you do?

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<v Speaker 1>But it, like I said, they're they're not right, they're

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<v Speaker 1>not wrong. But it's the biggest it's the biggest discrepancy

0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:49.240
<v Speaker 1>because you know, some people will tell you OsO diggi zooa.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they overdrafted him by ten to twelve spots, that's nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, same thing with Chauncey Golson. It's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on our show during the draft, it was like, probably

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<v Speaker 1>not who I would have taken, but it's that that

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<v Speaker 1>range makes sense, and I can see his role in

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:08.119
<v Speaker 1>this defense. Nashan Wright was just so far out of

0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:11.520
<v Speaker 1>left field for everybody, Like I have yet to find

0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:15.600
<v Speaker 1>an analyst who was not surprised by that, which again

0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:18.359
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make anybody right or wrong. It's just the biggest

0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:21.000
<v Speaker 1>discrepancy that I can remember in a long time. You know,

0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:23.439
<v Speaker 1>like the Rivals dot Com and that they do like

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:27.520
<v Speaker 1>the like rankings for high school players. I've seen interviews

0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:29.240
<v Speaker 1>where they, you know that they're like, well we had

0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:31.840
<v Speaker 1>this basketball player as a two star, three star player,

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<v Speaker 1>Well he just got he just committed to Duke. Well

0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:36.720
<v Speaker 1>you know what, actually, when you look at it, he's

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<v Speaker 1>more of a four feet you know what I mean, Like,

0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:40.360
<v Speaker 1>once you see that from the back end, you're like, well,

0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:42.879
<v Speaker 1>like you said, they probably looked at it again and

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, you guys have to look at what

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<v Speaker 1>four or five games, maybe two or three games to

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<v Speaker 1>say I mean, yeah, well I don't want to I

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 1>think Dane Dane does a lot more than that, but

0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:56.359
<v Speaker 1>that's Dane's career. That's all he does. I mean, I

0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:58.399
<v Speaker 1>know brought us would look at three to four games.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and what I mean, you're trying to look

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<v Speaker 1>at four hundred guys. No. And that's another thing Will

0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:04.840
<v Speaker 1>said Saturday is like, you know, with with this weird,

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<v Speaker 1>with this year being so weird, we leaned on eighteen tape,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen tape, twenty tape if they had it, And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'll be the first. I don't pretend to be

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<v Speaker 1>a draft expert. I try to watch two games if

0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I can find the time. Like I don't kind of see,

0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:20.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't have time to watch your entire season because

0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:22.919
<v Speaker 1>it's not my job to do that. I looked at

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:24.919
<v Speaker 1>a lot of highlights like stuff on YouTube, but they

0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:27.000
<v Speaker 1>don't put bad stuff in there, you know. But one

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<v Speaker 1>thing about Gholston I thought was interesting though we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about traits. He's a defensive end. Every one of his

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:36.800
<v Speaker 1>sacks that they showed he's rushing from defensive tackle position,

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<v Speaker 1>like on third, so they probably have a spot for him.

0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:43.159
<v Speaker 1>They're thinking, all right, you're gonna play end, but on

0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:47.479
<v Speaker 1>third and long you might be the tackle we use inside, so, um,

0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:50.359
<v Speaker 1>you know there's there's different roles for these guys. Chauncey

0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 1>told us, sorry, he told us on Friday night he

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<v Speaker 1>was a Senior Bowl guy. Him, Osa and Jibrilcox were

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<v Speaker 1>all Senior Bowl guys. He got to Mobile and the

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<v Speaker 1>defensive line depth chart was just loaded and there weren't

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<v Speaker 1>that many defensive tackles and he went straight to the

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he was with the Panthers or who,

0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:08.199
<v Speaker 1>but he went straight to the coaching staff and was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to play defensive tackle. It's there's more opportunity

0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 1>for me to get reps and get noticed and do

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 1>that and like just move me if you want to

0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:18.879
<v Speaker 1>move me, and like that's for all my concerns about

0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:21.040
<v Speaker 1>some character issues. I think they drafted a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>like the quote unquote right kind of guys as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I think if you don't if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>see I think O, DIGGI, Zoa and Gholston. I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that you're you're probably going to be a utility guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the show. Yeah. I will say this though,

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<v Speaker 1>when you talk about the cornerback position and looking at

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:40.439
<v Speaker 1>traits you just have to go back and look at

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:43.800
<v Speaker 1>dan Quinn's defense in Seattle. They had Brandon Browner, who

0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:45.960
<v Speaker 1>was an undrafted guy that was six to four. You

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:48.199
<v Speaker 1>had Richard Sherman who was six three and draft in

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<v Speaker 1>the fifth round. Again, not guys that come out of

0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 1>college anybody thought were going to be great cornerbacks. But

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:56.600
<v Speaker 1>they combined with two really good safeties to become maybe

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best secondaries maybe in my lifetime. So

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<v Speaker 1>that all being said, again, this is the kind of

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:04.359
<v Speaker 1>defense he runs. Maybe he looks at it and says,

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:06.800
<v Speaker 1>they may not be what everybody else values, but I

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:09.280
<v Speaker 1>value them in my defense, and that's what matters. Where's

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:11.919
<v Speaker 1>the Earl Thomas? I know I'm looking for that. We

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 1>haven't gotten to that yet. We'll maybe talk about that

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<v Speaker 1>a little later. All r let's say our first break

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<v Speaker 1>when we come back. Well, I'm gonna ask these guys

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<v Speaker 1>about the first round. Specifically, I want to know if

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.959
<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys made the right decision selecting Slate. I mean,

0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 1>I started selecting Michael Parsons over Slater in the first round. Here,

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<v Speaker 1>those are the only two players that were left that

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<v Speaker 1>had been linked to the Cowboys. Cowboys went with Parsons.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see how what you guys think about that decision

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<v Speaker 1>were presented by Geico. We're talking about the NFL Draft

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<v Speaker 1>first round. The Cowboys were presented with an interesting prospect.

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<v Speaker 1>They had gotten to pick seven, and at that point

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<v Speaker 1>they still had four guys left on the board with

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<v Speaker 1>two picks to go before they would pick. They had

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<v Speaker 1>four guys left on the board that had been linked

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<v Speaker 1>to them. They had Horn, they had Certain, they had

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Parsons, and then they had Rashaan Slater. Obviously, both

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<v Speaker 1>those cornerbacks get selected at eight and nine, which was

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a shock to me. I was expecting

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<v Speaker 1>at least one of those cornerbacks to be available to them,

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<v Speaker 1>but they both get snatched up. Cowboys are left with

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<v Speaker 1>a decision on and I don't even know if it

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<v Speaker 1>was a decision for them, And certainly was a decision

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<v Speaker 1>as we were all looking at it, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it was a decision for them. But they

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<v Speaker 1>are left with choosing between Slater and Parsons. They go

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<v Speaker 1>with Parsons. Do you guys think that was the right decision?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start with you Amber Me personally, I think so,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think again, we don't know exactly what they

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<v Speaker 1>think exactly, But I have to go back to the

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:04.480
<v Speaker 1>position and look at what positions each of those guys

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 1>were in right now. They keep saying how they feel

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:12.680
<v Speaker 1>about Lyle Collins and Tyren Smith. They keep talking about

0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:16.280
<v Speaker 1>feeling good about them, them practicing on the field and

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 1>looking good, and they seem to be getting healthy and

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<v Speaker 1>expected to be back fully for the season. So maybe

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:32.280
<v Speaker 1>they're what's the word I'm looking for, not scared, but

0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:36.840
<v Speaker 1>their concerned concern. Maybe their level of concern is not

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<v Speaker 1>as high as ours who are looking from the outside

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<v Speaker 1>and don't know as much information as these doctors do.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would have to just say because of that,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that they do have two starters expected to

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<v Speaker 1>be back, and then you look at linebacker position, you

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:55.600
<v Speaker 1>don't quite know. I mean, you could technically kind of

0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 1>say the same about like invendor Ish, but maybe that's

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<v Speaker 1>because that's why you've drafted a linebacker because of that,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe because of Layton not necessarily being as healthy as

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:09.680
<v Speaker 1>you would want him to be. And then you got

0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Jalen Smith, who you're still trying to figure out exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what you're gonna do with them with him, and then

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>the depth at the position itself. So to me personally,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how I saw it as far as position itself

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<v Speaker 1>and the guys that you already have in your roster

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 1>versus talent wise. Okay, Nick, I definitely think that they

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 1>made the right choice. The worst defense in the history

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 1>of your franchise. You have the tenth pick, you got

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 1>moved it to the twelfth pick, and you still have

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 1>the chance to draft the highest rated defensive player on

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 1>the board. I just think they owe it to themselves

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:52.080
<v Speaker 1>to do that. They they've been messing with the offense

0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:55.400
<v Speaker 1>for years. Offense is looking really good, but you have

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:57.560
<v Speaker 1>a chance. You need to fix the defense. You didn't

0:33:57.560 --> 0:34:00.080
<v Speaker 1>do anything in free agency to really fix it. And

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:02.720
<v Speaker 1>here's the best defensive player that you have rated. I

0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 1>don't know where he ranks. Was Slater or they didn't

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:08.359
<v Speaker 1>really mention that, I don't think, but you know, I think,

0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:12.919
<v Speaker 1>you know, like she said, there's so many question marks

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 1>at linebacker. This is a position that of need right now,

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:20.120
<v Speaker 1>it's a long term need. And you know you're asking

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Slater to move to guard to play right now and

0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:24.400
<v Speaker 1>then eventually play tackle. I'm sure you could do it.

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:26.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you'd be great, but I just think you

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:29.040
<v Speaker 1>had to fix your defense. It was so terrible and

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:33.319
<v Speaker 1>you get a dynamic player. It's it's harsh for me

0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:35.240
<v Speaker 1>to say that I think they made the wrong decision.

0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 1>I really I don't. At the end of the day,

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a ton of beef with making Micah

0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:42.319
<v Speaker 1>Parsons the pick. But it just it's an interesting example of, like,

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:44.759
<v Speaker 1>there's so much more that goes into this than like,

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:47.319
<v Speaker 1>here's how our board stacks up, and we're just gonna

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:49.840
<v Speaker 1>take the guy on top of it. Because I believe

0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 1>them that Micah Parsons was their highest grade. I absolutely

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:54.400
<v Speaker 1>think they would have drafted one of the cornerbacks if

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:56.520
<v Speaker 1>they had been there. Yeah, so you already know that

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:59.840
<v Speaker 1>they're willing to bypass grade for Need and so we

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't know Rashaan Slater's grade. I think it's very

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:04.920
<v Speaker 1>reasonable to think he had a comparable, if not better one.

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.919
<v Speaker 1>Micah Parsons, I believe, started thirteen college games before opting out.

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Rashaan Slater started thirty seven. It's played all over the line.

0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 1>He got on people's radars because you can go watch

0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:18.000
<v Speaker 1>the tape of him bullying Chase Young, who just one

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 1>defensive player of the year or excuse me, rookie of

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:24.319
<v Speaker 1>the year, not player, and looks like he's gonna be

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:26.880
<v Speaker 1>one of the best pass rushers you're gonna have to

0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:28.840
<v Speaker 1>face twice here. So like, the guy can do it,

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:31.000
<v Speaker 1>and he's probably good enough to play guard. I think

0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:33.799
<v Speaker 1>he's probably better than Connor Williams if he got here today. So,

0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 1>like I said, boom Er Bust, I think Rashon Slater

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 1>would would have been an absurdly safe pick. Micah Parsons

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:44.400
<v Speaker 1>has a very very high upside at a in a

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:47.880
<v Speaker 1>situation that they need more and I don't I hesitate

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:51.320
<v Speaker 1>to use the word reach, but I think they delicately,

0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, they leaned toward need, and they did it

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 1>throughout the draft the week before the draft, Nick and

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 1>I came on here and said, it's never ten defensive

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:01.480
<v Speaker 1>picks to one offense have picked. Nobody does that. It's

0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:04.320
<v Speaker 1>gonna balance out, And it really didn't deny. They spend

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.280
<v Speaker 1>eight of eleven on defense, and that to me says

0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 1>they were leaning toward their need. And you know, they

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:12.799
<v Speaker 1>would probably never say this publicly, but I wouldn't be

0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:16.680
<v Speaker 1>surprised if they're sitting in that room saying, even if

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:20.480
<v Speaker 1>only three of these guys hit of the eight defenders,

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:23.240
<v Speaker 1>that's you know, we're reworking a third of our defense

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>and we need that. And I don't really I don't

0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 1>blame them for it because the offense, the offense should

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.360
<v Speaker 1>should be what gets them to the playoffs. The defense

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:34.359
<v Speaker 1>needs to be respectable. So if that's what they did,

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:38.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a problem with it. But I have

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 1>more confidence right now that Rashaan Slater will repay that

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:44.480
<v Speaker 1>pick than Michael Parsons. And again that's not to say

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Michael Parsons will be a bad player, but I that's

0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:50.120
<v Speaker 1>just how I feel. I think Slater was a safer pick.

0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Parsons has high upside. It's something they need a little

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:54.800
<v Speaker 1>bit more. That's all. Yeah, I agree with you on that,

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:56.480
<v Speaker 1>and I think the thing for me is, again, I

0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 1>don't I wouldn't as you say, I wouldn't necessarily say

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:00.919
<v Speaker 1>they made the wrong pick, because I think both these

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 1>guys are talented players that you could see bright futures

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:08.040
<v Speaker 1>for both both of them. My personal preference is, when

0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:11.040
<v Speaker 1>you're taking a first round selection, get the guy that

0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:15.880
<v Speaker 1>has the greatest upside and also, in my opinion, the

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:18.360
<v Speaker 1>greatest floor. Like I want to be as safe with

0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:20.720
<v Speaker 1>this first round pick as possible. I want a great player,

0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:22.680
<v Speaker 1>but I want a great player that I feel very

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:24.760
<v Speaker 1>certain at the least is going to be really good

0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:26.759
<v Speaker 1>because he's in the first round, and especially if you're

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:28.279
<v Speaker 1>up that high, you're not gonna be up that high

0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:31.200
<v Speaker 1>very often. So if you tell me at twelve, I'm

0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:33.799
<v Speaker 1>gonna be able to get a tackle that I feel

0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 1>like immediately comes in and is a better guard for me.

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 1>So imagine that for that offensive line this year. If

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:43.040
<v Speaker 1>you actually get back Lyall Collins and Tyron Smith both healthy,

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:46.239
<v Speaker 1>and you still got Travis I mean, I'm sorry, you

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:50.120
<v Speaker 1>still got um um um the guard Martin Jack Martin

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 1>on the line, and you still got him, and then

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 1>you plug in Slater at the other guard. I really

0:37:57.160 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 1>don't care who you put at center. That is back

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 1>to when the Cowboys had a dominant offensive line a

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:05.399
<v Speaker 1>few years ago. Like that's the kind of offensive line

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 1>that you now have again. And I feel very confident

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:10.240
<v Speaker 1>if those guys are healthy, that your offense is gonna

0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:13.960
<v Speaker 1>be really, really, really good. And I don't think this

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:15.920
<v Speaker 1>defense is one player away, so I don't think that

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:18.160
<v Speaker 1>linebacker necessarily changes things. I go back to your point

0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Dave earlier about if you still manage to somehow be

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:24.360
<v Speaker 1>able to get Cocks later, then you still address that position.

0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:27.440
<v Speaker 1>But now your offensive line is secured, not only for now,

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 1>but whenever that tackle, whenever Tyron Smith decides to retire,

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.160
<v Speaker 1>but he's not gonna play forever. Whenever he decides to retire,

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 1>You not got Slater or just waiting there in the wings,

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:38.799
<v Speaker 1>just popping right out there to left tackle, and you're

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 1>ready to roll for the next ten years. Right. So

0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:43.719
<v Speaker 1>to me, I just look at it like you had more.

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:47.040
<v Speaker 1>You had more value now and in the future, and

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 1>it's by far I think a much safer pick. I

0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 1>think Parksons can be great. He might end up being

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:55.120
<v Speaker 1>all time great linebacker. Who knows, but I think there

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 1>is more. There's also a chance that he busts. More

0:38:57.239 --> 0:38:58.680
<v Speaker 1>of a chance that he bust than a chance that

0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Slater busts, in my opinion. Going back to the boom

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:03.879
<v Speaker 1>or bus thing, I mean, if if Calvin Joseph had

0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:07.600
<v Speaker 1>no you know, character flags, whatever you want to call him,

0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 1>he's the first round pick. There were people talking about

0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:12.520
<v Speaker 1>him as a first round pick anyway, as a pure

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:15.080
<v Speaker 1>football player. A lot of people think he's better right

0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:18.920
<v Speaker 1>now than Trayvon Diggs was coming out. But I think

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:21.439
<v Speaker 1>him and him and Parsons, the ceiling is sky high.

0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:23.239
<v Speaker 1>I think the floor is real low too, And that's

0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:25.359
<v Speaker 1>what makes it interesting. And that's also the thing about

0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:28.120
<v Speaker 1>second third round picks. Typically they are guys at half

0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:30.279
<v Speaker 1>skills that could make them a first round pick. There's

0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:32.520
<v Speaker 1>something about the medical or something that makes them not

0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 1>be a first picks. Don't act like there's not guys

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:36.799
<v Speaker 1>on this team like that, you know, the drafted Jordan

0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Lewis the same way third round pick that he was

0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:42.359
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of dealing with stuff that they had

0:39:42.400 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 1>to go and make phone calls about and figure out

0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:47.759
<v Speaker 1>what his situation was after they drafted him, they still

0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:49.480
<v Speaker 1>had to go back to court, he still had to

0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:52.799
<v Speaker 1>get charges or dropped or whatever it was. But they

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 1>were confident in there. So you know, this team was

0:39:55.080 --> 0:39:57.279
<v Speaker 1>doing their homework. They did their homework, Dave. You know

0:39:57.320 --> 0:40:00.279
<v Speaker 1>they did their homework, Joseph, No, that's honestly they did.

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:02.799
<v Speaker 1>And that's a really good point is like we sat

0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:05.440
<v Speaker 1>here after that draft and talked about Jordan. You know

0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:09.520
<v Speaker 1>that that those allegations and all that stuff got dropped,

0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:12.440
<v Speaker 1>and like, you know, nobody has a bad word to

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 1>say about Jordan Lewis as a person like four years later.

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:18.120
<v Speaker 1>So I mean it is fair to give these things

0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:21.120
<v Speaker 1>the benefit of the doubt. It that's nobody. Nobody's been

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:23.280
<v Speaker 1>charged with a crime that I'm aware of, Like Kelvin

0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Joseph likes to rap and partaken which way again, it's fine,

0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:29.759
<v Speaker 1>It's fine if you're you want to be a rapper, Yeah,

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:31.920
<v Speaker 1>in your side time, Like on the side, right, it

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:34.840
<v Speaker 1>can't become your main thing when you're getting paid football.

0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:37.000
<v Speaker 1>It rubs me the wrong way. Like you know, a

0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:39.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of you know, not caring about football gets lumped

0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 1>in with like doing literal crimes sometimes and that's not right.

0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:47.719
<v Speaker 1>So do you have some Nick, I probably shouldn't go

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:51.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm good. You know. Some of the funny thing is,

0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 1>and this is something from working with Nick for so long.

0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 1>He has this little tremble that happens when his lip

0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:58.279
<v Speaker 1>when he wants to say something but he knows he

0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:00.640
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't say it. And that's what I'll When he said that,

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:02.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna move on because I'm not

0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:04.319
<v Speaker 1>gonna keep pressing because he probably shouldn't say it. All right,

0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:06.240
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0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.680
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0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:15.399
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0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:18.120
<v Speaker 1>why they drafted so many of these defensive players and

0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:21.279
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0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:23.439
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<v Speaker 1>I want you to kick us. Catch us up real

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<v Speaker 1>quickly on some news that happened this morning. There were

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<v Speaker 1>several players that have now been officially waived. Who are they?

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<v Speaker 1>Antoine Woods, it's been waved, Adam Redmond, Saveon Smith, Walter Palmore,

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Ladarius Hamilton, came on Hall. If you're saying, who on

0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:22.160
<v Speaker 1>some of those guys? Some of those guys, um COmON?

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:24.720
<v Speaker 1>Hall was added. I think after the season. Darius Hamilton

0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:27.600
<v Speaker 1>was here from last year, um like as a rookie

0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:30.880
<v Speaker 1>free agent. Pal Moore was I believe added in the

0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:33.120
<v Speaker 1>middle of the season when the seventy five guys were

0:44:33.440 --> 0:44:35.320
<v Speaker 1>in and out of the practice squad and all that stuff.

0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:38.120
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned their pocisition along with their name. Palmore is

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:42.600
<v Speaker 1>a defensive tackle. Does it matter now? I mean, what

0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:49.680
<v Speaker 1>does he do? Guys in the back on the line.

0:44:49.760 --> 0:44:52.880
<v Speaker 1>I take this personally. I pride myself on you know,

0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:55.760
<v Speaker 1>I pride myself on knowing the roster, knowing the names,

0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:59.239
<v Speaker 1>knowing the faces. It's something that I've always taken pride in.

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 1>And last year, I'm I'm in a bad spot because,

0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:05.720
<v Speaker 1>like we didn't have access to the team, the roster

0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:08.520
<v Speaker 1>restrictions were different. Guys were moving back and forth more

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:10.840
<v Speaker 1>than they ever have. Like we got this list earlier

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:14.840
<v Speaker 1>today and I was like, Okay, I know Antoine like

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:17.760
<v Speaker 1>the rest of them. Kimon Halls, a defensive back North Texas,

0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:20.960
<v Speaker 1>was never gonna make the team. Ladarius Hamilton, linebacker North Texas,

0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:24.319
<v Speaker 1>never gonna make it. Walter Palmore, defensive tackle, he was.

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:26.440
<v Speaker 1>He was just kind of a practice bad guy. Saveeon

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:29.319
<v Speaker 1>submid defensive back that Roethlisberger picked on at the end

0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 1>of the Pittsburgh game that they won the game on.

0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Adam Redman, center guard that they've moved back, you know,

0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:38.040
<v Speaker 1>not good enough to ever make our team or roster,

0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:39.799
<v Speaker 1>not bad enough to be out of the league. They

0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:41.440
<v Speaker 1>just kind of back and forth. He'll probably go to

0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:46.120
<v Speaker 1>the Giants and then Antoine Woods defensive tackle, two point

0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:51.200
<v Speaker 1>one million dollar restrictive tender and they decided to let

0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:54.280
<v Speaker 1>him go. Yeah, And which is really weird because when

0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:56.759
<v Speaker 1>you asked, I asked, Sean Legal who's going to be

0:45:56.840 --> 0:45:58.319
<v Speaker 1>some of the leaders. And I mean, he named some

0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:00.480
<v Speaker 1>of the guys, but he ain't named Antoine Woods as

0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:04.799
<v Speaker 1>a leader. And you know, well, I think I think

0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:07.400
<v Speaker 1>it's really clear. Somebody mentioned it earlier in the show.

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:09.279
<v Speaker 1>I think it was you that the thing you loved

0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:12.480
<v Speaker 1>about this draft is they were obviously looking for size.

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:15.799
<v Speaker 1>That's something that Antoine's not. Like, he's not a big

0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:20.440
<v Speaker 1>defensive tackle. He's a little bit shorter because he's a

0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:23.400
<v Speaker 1>big dude. He is. But you think, relatively speaking, like

0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:26.520
<v Speaker 1>these guys that are coming in, like just Draft sixty seven,

0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:30.799
<v Speaker 1>he's a small tackle and he's not agile enough to

0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:33.440
<v Speaker 1>be your three technique. He's not good. And I guess

0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:36.279
<v Speaker 1>for this particular defense, right And that's by the way,

0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:38.439
<v Speaker 1>Antoine Wood's gonna get picked up by somebody. He's gonna

0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:40.920
<v Speaker 1>play football in the NFL next season. I would doubt,

0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:43.400
<v Speaker 1>very seriously if he doesn't. And he'll be a contributor.

0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:44.920
<v Speaker 1>And I think he'll be a contributor like he was

0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:46.920
<v Speaker 1>with Dallas. He was never a great player here, but

0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:49.160
<v Speaker 1>he was a contributing player here. So I think that's

0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:50.880
<v Speaker 1>going to continue for him. He just may not be

0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:53.440
<v Speaker 1>a fit for this defense. Yeah, I was surprised. Sorry, no,

0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:55.000
<v Speaker 1>go ahead, I was just gonna say that I was

0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:57.440
<v Speaker 1>surprised the fact that when they did pick him up,

0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 1>just because how vocal he's been on social media as

0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 1>far as like, you know, I deserve this or that.

0:47:04.120 --> 0:47:07.920
<v Speaker 1>When he starts comparing himself to other rookie or younger

0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:12.880
<v Speaker 1>guys that are getting more or close to what he's

0:47:12.960 --> 0:47:16.640
<v Speaker 1>making and things like that in comparison, and you clearly

0:47:16.680 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 1>know that that did bother him, and he felt like

0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:23.239
<v Speaker 1>he was more deserving and of everything, of money, and

0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:26.080
<v Speaker 1>that's fair. You gotta fight for your paycheck and everything.

0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:29.200
<v Speaker 1>But after hearing that, I never thought they would pick

0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:31.279
<v Speaker 1>him up in the first place. Just because of that,

0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:33.560
<v Speaker 1>I started sensing maybe there was some kind of discontent,

0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:37.799
<v Speaker 1>and there clearly there was discontent. But yeah, that's why

0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:41.719
<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm not as surprised us. You know, maybe that

0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:44.040
<v Speaker 1>we're doing that to get ready for the draft in

0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:46.560
<v Speaker 1>case they didn't get somewhere exactly what they were doing. Yeah,

0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I was going to just throw this to you, Dave.

0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:51.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they issued at two point one million dollars

0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:52.960
<v Speaker 1>tender for him. They didn't have to do that. For

0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:55.880
<v Speaker 1>restricted free agent. They did, and he signed it and

0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:59.879
<v Speaker 1>then after the draft, So what you think them has

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:02.040
<v Speaker 1>bes part of what they got in the draft, whether

0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:05.840
<v Speaker 1>it be Bohannah, Yeah, well it's I think it's a combination.

0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:09.959
<v Speaker 1>They drafted two pure defensive tackles and then a third

0:48:09.960 --> 0:48:12.480
<v Speaker 1>guy who can play defensive tackle. So do the numbers.

0:48:12.480 --> 0:48:14.840
<v Speaker 1>And then to your point, Stephen Jones is talking to

0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:17.320
<v Speaker 1>anybody who will listen about how they want to get cheaper.

0:48:17.440 --> 0:48:20.600
<v Speaker 1>He's he said, he you know, it might be a stretch,

0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:23.120
<v Speaker 1>but it's he hopes all eleven draft picks can make

0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the roster, because that's eleven guys making pennies compared to

0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:30.480
<v Speaker 1>even even what Antoine was making, which that is a

0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:33.640
<v Speaker 1>precarious place to be in the NFL. Is like when

0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:37.040
<v Speaker 1>you reach the stage where you're making more money but

0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:40.920
<v Speaker 1>you're not good enough or valuable enough that you're stuck

0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:43.160
<v Speaker 1>on the team. Like for everybody that wants to whine

0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:47.239
<v Speaker 1>about Jayalen Smith, he's here, his his salaries. Guaranteed, it

0:48:47.280 --> 0:48:50.600
<v Speaker 1>would kill them financially to get rid of him this year.

0:48:51.400 --> 0:48:53.000
<v Speaker 1>If we're talking about right now, right now, we're talking

0:48:53.000 --> 0:48:56.879
<v Speaker 1>about right now about Antoine Woods as soon as they

0:48:56.880 --> 0:48:59.400
<v Speaker 1>release him, they get all that money back. There's nothing guaranteed,

0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 1>and like, if you're in that position, like, and I'm

0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:05.080
<v Speaker 1>not trying to come for anybody's job, but Cedric Wilson

0:49:05.160 --> 0:49:07.480
<v Speaker 1>signed the same tender. They drafted a receiver. They brought

0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:10.240
<v Speaker 1>in four undrafted guys, Noah Brown. I think he signed

0:49:10.239 --> 0:49:13.799
<v Speaker 1>for like a mill there. It ain't nothing guaranteed with

0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:17.240
<v Speaker 1>those deals. And you better come to training camp ready

0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:19.520
<v Speaker 1>because that's the type of guy they're looking to get

0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:21.600
<v Speaker 1>rid of. They're not looking to get rid of Jalen Smith.

0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:25.279
<v Speaker 1>They can't. They're looking to say, who here's making one

0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:27.880
<v Speaker 1>to five million that we can get rid of or

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:30.319
<v Speaker 1>trade or cut or whatever that a rookie can come

0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:33.000
<v Speaker 1>in and replace that production better be at Dax House.

0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:38.640
<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, and which every day. That is a wonderful point.

0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:41.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Cedric is one of das guys, So I

0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:44.400
<v Speaker 1>mean there is that to consider. But I think negotiation,

0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:49.840
<v Speaker 1>they're they're what I think, I think they're eight million

0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:54.440
<v Speaker 1>under the cap technically, but they signed eleven, they drafted

0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:57.640
<v Speaker 1>eleven guys, so they're right, they're right up against it.

0:49:57.680 --> 0:50:00.520
<v Speaker 1>And I you know, I'm not asking you to care

0:50:00.560 --> 0:50:03.880
<v Speaker 1>about the cowboys financial situation, but that's stuff that they've got,

0:50:03.920 --> 0:50:05.840
<v Speaker 1>and the TV money is going to kick in eventually,

0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:08.720
<v Speaker 1>but not right now. So if they can do anything

0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:11.439
<v Speaker 1>to buy themselves some space, they're gonna do it. So,

0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:14.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't to be honest, I was a

0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:17.040
<v Speaker 1>little surprised that they released Antoine so soon, like I

0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:20.719
<v Speaker 1>thought it might happen after training camp or whenever. Well,

0:50:20.719 --> 0:50:22.799
<v Speaker 1>they did have to get below ninety and they get

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:26.799
<v Speaker 1>the other guys they cut were you know, Antoine has

0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:29.279
<v Speaker 1>started thirty two games for this team, so I'm a

0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:33.120
<v Speaker 1>little surprised by that too. But but again, you can

0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:35.680
<v Speaker 1>if you can find two million dollars in space and

0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:38.040
<v Speaker 1>you think you can get away with it, I'm not surprised.

0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:40.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not shocked. Let's be clear. This also could have

0:50:40.440 --> 0:50:43.279
<v Speaker 1>been a thing where where maybe Antoine one at this

0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:46.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe Antoine his reps talk to the Cowboys and say, hey,

0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:49.880
<v Speaker 1>this is a very deep group. We'd love the opportunity

0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:51.600
<v Speaker 1>to be able to be free agent. Remember he was restricted,

0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:53.560
<v Speaker 1>so he didn't have the ability really to go out

0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:55.040
<v Speaker 1>there and kind of look to see where it's the

0:50:55.080 --> 0:50:57.560
<v Speaker 1>best fit for him, and Cowboys may have been like,

0:50:57.640 --> 0:50:59.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, in the likelihood have been making this team,

0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:02.359
<v Speaker 1>it's probably small we'll get We'll do him a salo.

0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Let him go out there and try to see what

0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:05.920
<v Speaker 1>he can find. Right, who knows that fighting And that

0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:08.799
<v Speaker 1>might have been a conversation because if you remember, he

0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:11.719
<v Speaker 1>signed the exclusive rights free agent tag last year, which

0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:14.280
<v Speaker 1>gives you even fewer you know, you have even fewer

0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:17.680
<v Speaker 1>options under that tag, and he sort of held out,

0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:20.319
<v Speaker 1>like he didn't sign it until like right before training camp,

0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:23.040
<v Speaker 1>whereas this year he signed it. You know, immediately he

0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:25.239
<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, I'm on board. So maybe that was

0:51:25.280 --> 0:51:28.200
<v Speaker 1>a conversation of like, sign the tag, we'll see what

0:51:28.239 --> 0:51:30.160
<v Speaker 1>happens after the draft. And yeah, they might have known

0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:31.880
<v Speaker 1>like if we get some defensive tackles people, we'll let

0:51:31.920 --> 0:51:34.120
<v Speaker 1>you talk. You know, who knows. All I'm saying is

0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think we should assume sure that that Antoine

0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:38.640
<v Speaker 1>was upset with this, like this could have been something

0:51:38.680 --> 0:51:42.520
<v Speaker 1>that maybe may have been more helpful. Yeah, you know

0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:44.520
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, he knows how to deal with these

0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:47.799
<v Speaker 1>kind of situations and maybe you know, there'll be other

0:51:47.840 --> 0:51:49.959
<v Speaker 1>options for him. But I think it was more about

0:51:49.960 --> 0:51:52.120
<v Speaker 1>the scheme, you know, for him. Okay, so there's we're

0:51:52.120 --> 0:51:54.239
<v Speaker 1>gonna do. Let's go down the list. I'm gonna show talk.

0:51:54.280 --> 0:51:56.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna name the player that got drafted, and obviously

0:51:56.960 --> 0:51:58.600
<v Speaker 1>there are players at that position. I want you to, guys,

0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:01.120
<v Speaker 1>to tell me who what veteran you think should be

0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:03.799
<v Speaker 1>going to training camp with a renewed sense of focused

0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:07.160
<v Speaker 1>knowing that their job may be in jeopardy. Let's start

0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:10.279
<v Speaker 1>with linebackers. You got Michael Parsons being drafted. You got

0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:13.759
<v Speaker 1>guys Jalen Smith, Laton Vander esh Keyan O'Neill who was

0:52:13.760 --> 0:52:17.120
<v Speaker 1>a newcomer, Luke Gifford, Francis Bernard, Michael Parsons Andrew bill

0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:19.839
<v Speaker 1>Cox being the two draft picks. Who is who are

0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:23.080
<v Speaker 1>the veterans that need to be concerned Luke Gifford and

0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Francis Bernard. That's I would be. I guess anything's possible.

0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:30.120
<v Speaker 1>Crazy how you call them veterans, I know, but it's

0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:32.759
<v Speaker 1>just crazy. It's hard to imagine too much happening at

0:52:32.760 --> 0:52:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the top of that depth chart. I mean, they could,

0:52:35.120 --> 0:52:37.160
<v Speaker 1>they could cut Kean O'Neill. They didn't give him that

0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:39.839
<v Speaker 1>much money, but he's dan Quinn's a one year deal. Yes,

0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:42.280
<v Speaker 1>it's one year, I think only three million and guarantees.

0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:44.280
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's a very similar deal to what Haha

0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:47.799
<v Speaker 1>got last year, so they could. But he's you know,

0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:51.600
<v Speaker 1>he's dan Quinn's guy, unless he's absolutely terrible, and unless

0:52:51.719 --> 0:52:54.919
<v Speaker 1>I look at Brill Cox, is that kind of guy? Yeah,

0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:59.080
<v Speaker 1>jabro Cox just balls out in training camp and Keyan

0:52:59.160 --> 0:53:02.560
<v Speaker 1>O'Neill is not quite what they wanted or expect. I

0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:05.279
<v Speaker 1>think that could be a one that's really questionable. It's right,

0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:08.520
<v Speaker 1>that's fair, But I guess I'm putting a lot of

0:53:08.600 --> 0:53:11.759
<v Speaker 1>emphasis on the dan Quinn connection. Again, dan Quinn was

0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:15.799
<v Speaker 1>super reluctant to label anybody in this defense the other

0:53:15.920 --> 0:53:17.600
<v Speaker 1>night when he talked to us, but he was like, oh, yeah,

0:53:17.640 --> 0:53:19.319
<v Speaker 1>Keian is going to play linebacker, He's going to do

0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:21.680
<v Speaker 1>this that, And they like, that's his dude. So it

0:53:21.680 --> 0:53:25.400
<v Speaker 1>would surprise me, but we should mention him. I wouldn't

0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:28.320
<v Speaker 1>mentioned for me, I wouldn't mentioned Kano, but just because

0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:33.239
<v Speaker 1>he's valuable because of the fact that he has the

0:53:33.239 --> 0:53:36.200
<v Speaker 1>ability to play those two different positions in the secondary

0:53:36.280 --> 0:53:40.239
<v Speaker 1>or linebacker, in two areas that the Cowboys clearly have

0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:44.319
<v Speaker 1>struggled with in the past. Year, So you never know

0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:46.560
<v Speaker 1>what kind of injuries are going to happen throughout the season.

0:53:46.640 --> 0:53:48.880
<v Speaker 1>You never know how any of these younger guys are

0:53:48.920 --> 0:53:50.920
<v Speaker 1>going to develop into. So that's why I wouldn't say

0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:54.120
<v Speaker 1>necessarily Kan O'Neil not to make the team or anything like.

0:53:54.120 --> 0:53:58.240
<v Speaker 1>You know, he's someone that I know or think that

0:53:58.360 --> 0:54:02.719
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna definitely have a role somewhere on the defense. Now,

0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:05.839
<v Speaker 1>as far as these other guys, unfortunately, I'm gonna have

0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:09.560
<v Speaker 1>to agree with Dave and go with look, Geff and

0:54:09.600 --> 0:54:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Frances Bernard just because no, you know what, screw that, No,

0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:17.120
<v Speaker 1>screw it, I'm gonna go with Jalen. I'm just gonna

0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:19.520
<v Speaker 1>go ahead, Jalen and Layton. That's the I think that's

0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:22.080
<v Speaker 1>the answer here. Yeah, because these two guys, I'm sorry

0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:23.759
<v Speaker 1>to cut you off with these two guys that they

0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:26.880
<v Speaker 1>were drafted turned both of those players, Jayalen and Layton

0:54:26.920 --> 0:54:30.279
<v Speaker 1>into contract years. This is a contract year for both

0:54:30.280 --> 0:54:32.480
<v Speaker 1>of them now, So I think I think, you know

0:54:32.520 --> 0:54:34.960
<v Speaker 1>it's I would put it on them and I would

0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:36.719
<v Speaker 1>say this, I agree with you. I don't think it

0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:38.880
<v Speaker 1>necessarily means they'd be out the door this year. I

0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:40.960
<v Speaker 1>do think it could mean they're out the door next year,

0:54:41.040 --> 0:54:45.120
<v Speaker 1>all right, whatever happens right now, then absolutely that's why

0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:48.359
<v Speaker 1>those guys are here. Yeah, Micah Parsons and Jabril Cox

0:54:48.400 --> 0:54:51.600
<v Speaker 1>are here because the linebackers have underwhelmed. I just again,

0:54:52.080 --> 0:54:54.799
<v Speaker 1>we love to act like it's a pure meritocracy. I

0:54:54.840 --> 0:54:57.120
<v Speaker 1>don't understand how you can cut Jalen Smith in twenty

0:54:57.200 --> 0:55:00.239
<v Speaker 1>twenty one. No, you don't cut him. But there's a

0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:03.239
<v Speaker 1>bench that plenty of space. And I keep saying it,

0:55:04.120 --> 0:55:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I what No, I mean, I mean, I'm gonna say it.

0:55:08.680 --> 0:55:12.680
<v Speaker 1>I think, Okay, with Layton, the bad thing is you

0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:15.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know injury wise, so he might be out. Not

0:55:16.040 --> 0:55:22.160
<v Speaker 1>because he's performing bad and he struggled into he struggled,

0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:24.880
<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt

0:55:24.920 --> 0:55:27.520
<v Speaker 1>because of the injuries that he's been dealing with, because

0:55:27.520 --> 0:55:30.800
<v Speaker 1>we know many of these guys still play through injuries. Um,

0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:33.920
<v Speaker 1>but Jalen, I mean, if he goes back into that

0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:36.160
<v Speaker 1>whole thing where he's all over the defense and not

0:55:36.239 --> 0:55:38.680
<v Speaker 1>really knowing all, here comes the running back and he

0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:42.440
<v Speaker 1>got away and the running game of the opponent. They

0:55:42.520 --> 0:55:45.560
<v Speaker 1>rushed who knows how many yards, So at that point

0:55:45.600 --> 0:55:48.880
<v Speaker 1>if any of these guys do any show me any

0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:52.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of spark, I'm saying, hey, take a break, go

0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:55.480
<v Speaker 1>sit down over there, take a water break, and let's

0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:57.480
<v Speaker 1>put these guys in and let's see how they do.

0:55:57.640 --> 0:56:02.600
<v Speaker 1>I do I well, well, Freakin said age, because I

0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:05.600
<v Speaker 1>hope that they've got the guts to sit Jalen and

0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:09.880
<v Speaker 1>or Layton. If Parsons and or Cox is that much better,

0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Like if Parsons is what we think he can be,

0:56:12.600 --> 0:56:15.600
<v Speaker 1>and he's just he can cover sideline to sideline in

0:56:15.600 --> 0:56:18.440
<v Speaker 1>the blink of an eye and get after the you know,

0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:20.960
<v Speaker 1>get downfield and sat like, if he can do everything

0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:23.240
<v Speaker 1>we think he can, he should be on the field

0:56:23.440 --> 0:56:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the most of any of the three. I will say

0:56:25.520 --> 0:56:28.000
<v Speaker 1>this that this is something that I think, at least

0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:30.799
<v Speaker 1>I had the impression when Jason Garrett was here he

0:56:30.880 --> 0:56:33.960
<v Speaker 1>was partial two vets, Like I think he got his

0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:36.520
<v Speaker 1>vets and he loved his vets and he didn't want

0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:38.000
<v Speaker 1>to get rid of he didn't want part ways with

0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:40.399
<v Speaker 1>the vets. I don't know if I know yet what

0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:44.240
<v Speaker 1>Mike McCarthy is. I do think he took way too long,

0:56:44.280 --> 0:56:46.759
<v Speaker 1>and maybe it wasn't his call, but I think as

0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:48.560
<v Speaker 1>a team. They took way too long last year with

0:56:48.640 --> 0:56:50.160
<v Speaker 1>some of those vets they brought in to make the

0:56:50.200 --> 0:56:51.920
<v Speaker 1>decision to either sit them down or get rid of

0:56:52.000 --> 0:56:54.200
<v Speaker 1>them because they weren't playing well. It was clear they

0:56:54.200 --> 0:56:57.200
<v Speaker 1>weren't playing well, and they step kept putting them out there.

0:56:57.239 --> 0:56:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they feel like they didn't have a lot of

0:56:58.480 --> 0:57:00.640
<v Speaker 1>other options. I don't know, But I don't know if

0:57:00.640 --> 0:57:03.120
<v Speaker 1>that was because McCarthy was making that decision and he

0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:05.160
<v Speaker 1>was tied to his vets and he trusted vets more

0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:07.880
<v Speaker 1>than he would a young guy, or he's a situation

0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:09.440
<v Speaker 1>where he didn't think he had a lot of options.

0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:12.239
<v Speaker 1>I think this will be an interesting off season in

0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:15.080
<v Speaker 1>summer for us to figure out how he feels about veterans,

0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:17.200
<v Speaker 1>because you know, we did see during training camp they

0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:19.520
<v Speaker 1>did you know, they let his boy go, and so

0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:22.280
<v Speaker 1>that that was his guy from Green Bay that they

0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:24.840
<v Speaker 1>let walk right out of the door, and so I

0:57:24.920 --> 0:57:26.360
<v Speaker 1>look at it. I want to find out a little

0:57:26.400 --> 0:57:28.240
<v Speaker 1>bit more about how he feels about vets, because I

0:57:28.240 --> 0:57:30.560
<v Speaker 1>think we pretty much know what Jason felt. I want

0:57:30.560 --> 0:57:33.320
<v Speaker 1>to see how McCarthy feels about veterans. All those guys,

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:36.640
<v Speaker 1>all of the Vets were guys that Jason Garrett brought in.

0:57:37.080 --> 0:57:39.439
<v Speaker 1>Other like, these two draft classes are the only ones

0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Mike McCarthy was responsible for bringing here. Yeah, so that's

0:57:42.640 --> 0:57:45.240
<v Speaker 1>that's a good point. All right, Let's go ahead and

0:57:45.280 --> 0:57:47.000
<v Speaker 1>move on to the next position. We're not gonna get

0:57:47.040 --> 0:57:49.080
<v Speaker 1>through much of this, so we we'll save some of

0:57:49.080 --> 0:57:51.280
<v Speaker 1>this for next week. But let's talk about the cornerback position.

0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:54.240
<v Speaker 1>Kelvin Joseph selected in the second round out of Kentucky.

0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:58.520
<v Speaker 1>You've got Treyvon Diggs, Jordan Lewis, Anthony Brown, Reggie Robinson,

0:57:58.960 --> 0:58:02.720
<v Speaker 1>Kelvin Joseph, and Nahan right, obviously being the two drafted players.

0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Who do you think should be the players that should

0:58:05.240 --> 0:58:07.919
<v Speaker 1>be really worried at this point going into training camp.

0:58:09.560 --> 0:58:13.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean, I guess, you know, Reggie

0:58:13.120 --> 0:58:16.240
<v Speaker 1>Robinson to make the team. You know, Anthony Brown, I

0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:18.920
<v Speaker 1>mean better, he better play well. I mean, I'm sure

0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:21.800
<v Speaker 1>they could probably part ways with that contract if they

0:58:21.840 --> 0:58:25.479
<v Speaker 1>wanted to. Um, you know, I mean you could throw

0:58:25.560 --> 0:58:29.680
<v Speaker 1>him in that mix. Um, let's not forget And is

0:58:29.960 --> 0:58:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Kennedy in there? He is? Technically, I haven't he's on

0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:35.640
<v Speaker 1>the list. I've been meaning to ask if he's definitely

0:58:35.720 --> 0:58:38.480
<v Speaker 1>coming back. I mean his contract told so he's still here.

0:58:38.560 --> 0:58:41.240
<v Speaker 1>But I mean I haven't never met the guy, never

0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:43.360
<v Speaker 1>talked to him. I almost forgot about him. I saw

0:58:43.400 --> 0:58:45.880
<v Speaker 1>his name, forget about it. And then then when you

0:58:45.920 --> 0:58:47.520
<v Speaker 1>just said, I was like, oh, they did bring him

0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:49.960
<v Speaker 1>last year, and they had a role in my depresional team. Yeah,

0:58:49.960 --> 0:58:52.720
<v Speaker 1>they did have a role in my good wins, which is,

0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:54.640
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, the best betchal teams player they've had

0:58:54.680 --> 0:58:58.160
<v Speaker 1>in a long time. Honestly, he's the best sense and

0:58:58.240 --> 0:59:01.600
<v Speaker 1>maybe even be better than Jeff he special teams, I agree,

0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:04.320
<v Speaker 1>which he makes plays is the point. Yeah, obviously Heath's

0:59:04.400 --> 0:59:07.200
<v Speaker 1>name is being mentioned. He's a guy that probably has

0:59:07.240 --> 0:59:09.120
<v Speaker 1>been cut or by the Raiders. I don't think the

0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Cowboys have interested in that right now. What we'll need

0:59:12.240 --> 0:59:15.720
<v Speaker 1>to go backwards, like keep going forward, Just keep moving forward.

0:59:16.000 --> 0:59:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Three guys only three guys picked off my homes last year.

0:59:18.480 --> 0:59:22.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't care. Keep moving forward, like I know, well, yeah,

0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:24.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm moving forward. But I'm just saying, if he's a

0:59:24.480 --> 0:59:27.120
<v Speaker 1>backup safety that can play special teams like he should,

0:59:27.200 --> 0:59:30.160
<v Speaker 1>that's what he should have been all along, not a starter.

0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:33.200
<v Speaker 1>He should have been a backup player to play special teams.

0:59:33.200 --> 0:59:35.720
<v Speaker 1>That's what he's really good at. That's what he But guys,

0:59:35.800 --> 0:59:37.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, guys want to make millions, I guess, or

0:59:37.640 --> 0:59:39.760
<v Speaker 1>the guy that want to be a starter. But I mean,

0:59:40.000 --> 0:59:41.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, you see it in the NBA too, you

0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:43.560
<v Speaker 1>see guys that are starters. But really, when they get

0:59:43.600 --> 0:59:46.160
<v Speaker 1>back to that role player, that's what they're better suited for.

0:59:46.200 --> 0:59:47.960
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I think Jeffy's better to do. But

0:59:48.000 --> 0:59:49.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't believe the Cowboys are going to go that route,

0:59:49.760 --> 0:59:54.800
<v Speaker 1>all right, Dave, I mean, Reggie Robinson and Maurice Kennedy's

0:59:54.880 --> 0:59:59.080
<v Speaker 1>probably the best answer. I do specifically wonder about Anthony

0:59:59.120 --> 1:00:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Brown because I mean, we know he can play inside

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<v Speaker 1>and outside, but Jordan's really mainly only ever been a nickelback.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's hard to imagine dan Quinn drafted a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, they drafted Grout if you're familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>Marvel and so it's hard to imagine. It's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>imagine they're going to put a five ten corner on

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<v Speaker 1>the boundary if dan Quinn likes all these super big,

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<v Speaker 1>super long corners. So Anthony Brown stands out to me

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<v Speaker 1>as a guy like, you know, maybe he loses a

1:00:26.640 --> 1:00:29.680
<v Speaker 1>starting job if Kelvin joseph Is lives up to the hype.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, I just looked it up,

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<v Speaker 1>like you could, you could cut or trade Anthony Brown

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<v Speaker 1>or Jordan Lewis and get away with it. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're probably more valuable to you on the team

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<v Speaker 1>than off because, like you know, George, I think Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan would hit you for like here, I got it

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<v Speaker 1>right here. Jordan would hit you for four million, and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't save any money by doing it. Anthony Brown

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<v Speaker 1>would hit you for five million and you save one million.

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<v Speaker 1>So like, if you're just desperate to get them off

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<v Speaker 1>your team, you could, but I think you'd rather just

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<v Speaker 1>have healthy cornerbacks. So like the money, I mean, what

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<v Speaker 1>we're hearing from Steven is like they want to do

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<v Speaker 1>this because they get these deals. Wouldn't save you money

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<v Speaker 1>the way that like Antoine Woods, It's like, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>desperate to not have him here, you could do that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't see that. So I think that you're

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<v Speaker 1>just having four or five quality cornerbacks is a good

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<v Speaker 1>problem to have, and that yeah, Reggie Robinson and Maurice

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy are probably maybe looking over at Dson without even

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<v Speaker 1>getting a shot last year on the field of cruel

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<v Speaker 1>It's a cold world out here, man on the street,

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<v Speaker 1>cold world, all right, Amber, Like, I don't care more

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<v Speaker 1>than all of us combined. I mean, I know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just saying, you know, he didn't get a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>get in the game, so he does have Yeah, him

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<v Speaker 1>might be a safety honestly, And I do think, and

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<v Speaker 1>I had this written down here, does is he a

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<v Speaker 1>guy that maybe they's because I and I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to go too far into that conversation, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at anything that the Cowboys didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>address much in free agency or the draft, it's safety.

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<v Speaker 1>There's still possibly some opportunity there for some player who

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<v Speaker 1>could step up into that world. Go ahead, Amber, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to agree with what they said. When he

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<v Speaker 1>comes to Anthony Brown though, even though he's a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that last year, you know, we've been talking about him

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<v Speaker 1>and just seeing the way he struggled on the field,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just hard for me to imagine right now someone

1:02:18.960 --> 1:02:21.880
<v Speaker 1>else kind of taking over that right now because of

1:02:21.920 --> 1:02:24.960
<v Speaker 1>the amount of time. You know, there's a curve, a

1:02:25.080 --> 1:02:27.960
<v Speaker 1>learning curve that needs to happen there. So just the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that he is a veteran and has the game.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna say, oh, he's gonna be the best

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<v Speaker 1>player or the best cornerback or anything. But because of

1:02:35.000 --> 1:02:38.520
<v Speaker 1>his experience, I think that's still valuable. So it's just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come down to Kennedy and these guys that haven't

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<v Speaker 1>really done much, and unfortunately you have to say bye

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<v Speaker 1>to some of them. All Right, that's a rap. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be back next week and we'll get into

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<v Speaker 1>some of these other positions. We have more we got

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<v Speaker 1>to go through. We'll talk about defensive tackle, defensive end,

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<v Speaker 1>offensive line. There's more to get to there, maybe wide receiver,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll talk about some positions maybe like the safety

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<v Speaker 1>position that the Cowboys have not addressed enough in free

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<v Speaker 1>agency or the draft, and what the Cowboys should do there.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll do all that when we come back next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Till then, For Nick Eatman, Dave Helm and Amber Garcia,

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<v Speaker 1>I am Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live

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