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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, May fifth, twenty twenty one, Season sixteen,
Speaker 1: Episode number one, O eight. Welcome to the latest edition
Speaker 1: of The Break. We are presented by Geico. We're in
Speaker 1: the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. Got Nick David
Speaker 1: Amber with me. We're talking Cowboys Draft. We're gonna break
Speaker 1: down everything that we saw happen last week. He enter
Speaker 1: in the NFL Draft. Cowboys had lots of selections. We're
Speaker 1: going to tell you how they were going to fit
Speaker 1: into this team. Before we do that, though, we need
Speaker 1: to catch up on a little news. I want to
Speaker 1: start first with Layton vander Esh Cowboys decided Monday that
Speaker 1: they were not going to that they were going to
Speaker 1: decline to take his fifth year option. My question for you,
Speaker 1: guys is what are the advantages and disadvantages of the
Speaker 1: Cowboys making this decision. Let's start with you, Nick. Well,
Speaker 1: the advantages are that they don't have to set the
Speaker 1: floor of his contract negotiations at nine million per season,
Speaker 1: because that's sort of what happens when you do like
Speaker 1: the Let's say like when Dak and d Law they
Speaker 1: got the franchise tag and then even though they wanted
Speaker 1: to do a long term deal, it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: well this is you know, franchise tag for twenty million
Speaker 1: or for d Law. So this is where it needs
Speaker 1: to start. And so I think if you're doing negotiations,
Speaker 1: if you did that, I believe that you'd have to
Speaker 1: kind of started at nine million. So you don't have
Speaker 1: to do I don't think it means that they're not
Speaker 1: going to keep him on the team or they're going
Speaker 1: to try to make him, but they don't have to
Speaker 1: be guaranteed nine million I think for next year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just I mean the advantage is that they're not
Speaker 1: on the hook. And in addition to what Nick just said,
Speaker 1: they're not on the hook to pay that. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you GIF, you if you guarantee the option, you're
Speaker 1: paying that in twenty twenty two, no matter what happens.
Speaker 1: So I mean if he and you know, God forbid
Speaker 1: knock on wood, but if he tores acl week two
Speaker 1: of this season, that, I mean, that's still something that
Speaker 1: you got to deal with. So it it gives you
Speaker 1: financial flexibility and the freedom to make that decision in
Speaker 1: the future, as opposed to committing long term, which typically
Speaker 1: when you guarantee the option, it's almost like ceremonial because
Speaker 1: you're like, we will have a long term deal worked
Speaker 1: out before you even start on that fifth year option.
Speaker 1: Buy and large so just gives you flexibility. Does that
Speaker 1: also mean that they are okay with the idea of
Speaker 1: not having him, because when you do this, that means
Speaker 1: that he will become he has the ability to become
Speaker 1: a free agency If he doesn't want a free agent,
Speaker 1: if he doesn't want to accept whatever deal you put
Speaker 1: in front of him, he can walk. And does that
Speaker 1: signal that the Cowboys are like, well, we're kind of
Speaker 1: okay with that if it gets to that point. I
Speaker 1: think that it was evident in the draft. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I think that because of the draft, I
Speaker 1: think they became okay with that more so than they were,
Speaker 1: you know, earlier in the week. I mean, they didn't
Speaker 1: know how the draft was going to go, but you know,
Speaker 1: they got a couple of guys that probably changed their
Speaker 1: opinion Abody and they said it has no no weight
Speaker 1: on that. But I don't know. I don't believe that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you can you can draft
Speaker 1: those two guys and say, well, it didn't affect the
Speaker 1: decision of Layton Vanderscher. I think it did. I absolutely
Speaker 1: think it did. And I mean Layton and Jalen. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, getting obviously Michael Parsons and then Jabril Cox,
Speaker 1: who most people agree fell a little bit is more
Speaker 1: talented than his draft slot suggests. I think it gives
Speaker 1: them the flexibility to make decisions on both of those guys.
Speaker 1: And I love that. I love not being painted into
Speaker 1: a corner at any position on the depth chart. And
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly what they achieved. And you think
Speaker 1: that was the right decision Cowboys decide not deciding not
Speaker 1: to take the fifth year option. Absolutely, I mean, how
Speaker 1: can you with someone that has been hurt as much
Speaker 1: as he has. I think that you shouldn't take that
Speaker 1: kind of rushed chance. Even though they're saying that they're
Speaker 1: still interested in the long term deal, which is kind
Speaker 1: of what you have to say. I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: want to let the player know that you're kind of
Speaker 1: done with them and don't care about them anymore. But
Speaker 1: I just I think they thought it very well and
Speaker 1: it was a smart move not to do it, especially
Speaker 1: after the deal that you had made with Jayleen Smith
Speaker 1: and the way he performed last year, and we talked
Speaker 1: about him all the time. But I don't know if
Speaker 1: I don't really don't know how the Cowboys truly feel
Speaker 1: about signing or extending Jaylen Smith contract and seeing the
Speaker 1: way that he's been performing since. So I think they
Speaker 1: thought it through very well and it was a good decision. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there will be a lot of things that
Speaker 1: will be decisions the Cowboys will have to make it
Speaker 1: the linebacker position over the next couple of years, because
Speaker 1: at this point, I don't think that after this year,
Speaker 1: I don't think Jalen's contract is one they couldn't get
Speaker 1: rid of if they chose to do that, obviously, LV
Speaker 1: would be a free agent at that point. They've got
Speaker 1: two young guys they just drafted that are on rookie deal,
Speaker 1: so you're not paying a ton of money relatively speaking,
Speaker 1: for those guys. So Cowboys have a lot of decisions
Speaker 1: to make a linebacker, and we'll see how that plays
Speaker 1: out for them. Let's talk about the draft. Let's dive
Speaker 1: in a little bit more to that, and I first
Speaker 1: want to start just kind of big picture. I want
Speaker 1: each you guys are gonna go round the table, and
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me your biggest like from
Speaker 1: the draft, the thing you like the most of the
Speaker 1: Cowboys did during the draft. Let's start first with you, Dave.
Speaker 1: The thing that I liked the most is probably they
Speaker 1: ensured themselves in this linebacker conversation. And you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not shy or reluctant to say Michael Parsons is not
Speaker 1: who I would have drafted, even after trading back. That's okay,
Speaker 1: He's a hell of a talented player. Again, you know,
Speaker 1: I've said this a few times. I wonder, and they
Speaker 1: certainly don't regret drafting Mica, but if they had known
Speaker 1: that they could have gotten Jabril Cox later, I wonder
Speaker 1: if it would have affected what they did. And obviously
Speaker 1: there's no way to know that, but it's interesting. But
Speaker 1: two great players, two guys who bolstered the depth chart
Speaker 1: right away. And again I love the flexibility. You're not
Speaker 1: married to Layton Vanders, You're not married to Jalen Smith.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of fun stuff you can do with
Speaker 1: both of those guys. Cox's big attribute as his ability
Speaker 1: and coverage, which is something this team hasn't had from
Speaker 1: a linebacker recently. And Parsons, I mean, what can't you
Speaker 1: do with him? I mean he can rush the passer,
Speaker 1: he can blitz, he's athletic enough to drop in coverage.
Speaker 1: So I just you know, linebacker is a strength again,
Speaker 1: which it hasn't been in a couple of years. So
Speaker 1: I definitely liked that a lot. I mean, the Parsons
Speaker 1: pick is I don't have a problem with it, but
Speaker 1: adding Jabril Cox on top of that, I thought was
Speaker 1: was really great. I'll costume one thing. We think it's
Speaker 1: a strength because we also thought, well two years ago,
Speaker 1: I gotta get on the teen. Well that the things
Speaker 1: I know I'm saying. After we finished twenty and eighteen,
Speaker 1: we thought the linebacker corps was as good as as
Speaker 1: any other position on the team, and we found out
Speaker 1: later not so much. So that's something first to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on. Amber Well, to me, it was defense,
Speaker 1: the fact that most of it was defense. I was
Speaker 1: very pleased. Although most of these guys I had no
Speaker 1: idea who they were to be honest, Like, after the
Speaker 1: first pick, I'm like, okay, who is this guy? No idea,
Speaker 1: but get to learn about them a little bit more. Um,
Speaker 1: what same for you? Names that I feel like I've
Speaker 1: never heard, not heard of one of the players after
Speaker 1: the first round. You didn't hear about Cox, not not
Speaker 1: until little couple of days before. Not in though the process. No, No,
Speaker 1: I should have you picked off Arkansas in the middle
Speaker 1: of the game and almost scored. I wasn't watching that
Speaker 1: about to say you should have known? Not right, Yellen,
Speaker 1: I'm sure so I didn't hearing the name. You're probably
Speaker 1: throwing stuff. You didn't miss my remote thrower. Sorry ahead. Anyways,
Speaker 1: Despite all that, I think that, um, the fact that
Speaker 1: with eleven guys and most of them being defensive players,
Speaker 1: you have a higher chance of hitting some right, you know,
Speaker 1: getting some players that will turn out okay, because we
Speaker 1: the previous weeks, you know, we went through the past
Speaker 1: drafts and we looked at these talents and how they
Speaker 1: turned out over the years. I think that with the
Speaker 1: amount of players on the defensive side, of the ball.
Speaker 1: Now you have a bigger chance or higher chance for
Speaker 1: you to get a couple that will turn out all right.
Speaker 1: So I'm feeling good. Don't know many of them, but
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that a couple of them will turn out
Speaker 1: all right and will actually help this defense. Biggest light
Speaker 1: nick um, biggest like the I like the fact that
Speaker 1: when you look at the themes. Okay, there's four themes
Speaker 1: that I could come up with. Number one, a lot
Speaker 1: of defense. Defense was the theme of it. Number two,
Speaker 1: big players, I mean, big quarterbacks, big run stoppers, big linebacker, um,
Speaker 1: you know, big safety, just bigger players. Receivers, huge too,
Speaker 1: I mean, so just size. A third theme is that, um,
Speaker 1: you better know how to pronounce these guys because they're
Speaker 1: not easy, you know. And the fourth one, not looking
Speaker 1: forward to that part, yeah, is um, you know, they
Speaker 1: they got some they got some issues, some of them
Speaker 1: got some got some history to them, you know, and
Speaker 1: a lot of them have some have confidence walking in
Speaker 1: the door. I don't know how many comparisons we saved. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be the best of this, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be the best or I'm a better Richard Sherman,
Speaker 1: You're like, wow, So confidence is not something that's that's
Speaker 1: really lacking here. So there's a lot of themes. I
Speaker 1: like them all, but I like the fact that they
Speaker 1: size was a big issue here and they look like
Speaker 1: they addressed it. Okay, so let's flip it. Biggest dislike Dave,
Speaker 1: I just kind of what Nick just touched on. I
Speaker 1: said this over the weekend, and I still think it.
Speaker 1: I think this is the draft with the most boomer
Speaker 1: bust potential that I have ever covered. I think two
Speaker 1: or three years from now, we could look back and say,
Speaker 1: holy crap, this was amazing. Look at you know, they
Speaker 1: found like two Pro bowlers and four really quality starters contributors.
Speaker 1: I think we could also look back in two or
Speaker 1: three years and be like, yep, that's why they suck,
Speaker 1: because this draft class did not I mean, they all
Speaker 1: washed out and like there's there's especially with the big picks.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of concern um Mike, like the character
Speaker 1: issues with Mica. From everything I've heard, they don't they
Speaker 1: don't concern me that much. I actually me and Kelsey
Speaker 1: Charles interviewed his defensive coordinator at Penn State yesterday and
Speaker 1: was very encouraged by what I hear heard, So that'll
Speaker 1: be on the site later this week. Um, but like
Speaker 1: he's he's so raw, he's he's he has he hasn't
Speaker 1: turned twenty two yet, he hasn't played in a year.
Speaker 1: He's only played linebacker for two years, by the way,
Speaker 1: So there's the potential that he's only scratching the surface.
Speaker 1: There's also the potential that this is going to be
Speaker 1: a heck of an adjustment for him. Like it's hard
Speaker 1: to say Kelvin Joseph again, you know, everything I've heard
Speaker 1: is that he's he's not like a bad guy like
Speaker 1: you hear a character concerns. I don't get the impression
Speaker 1: that he's a bad person. And I've you know, I've
Speaker 1: talked to people at ls A difference. Yeah, absolutely, I've
Speaker 1: talked to people at LSU about this. Like I heard
Speaker 1: rave reviews about like his work, ethic and his character.
Speaker 1: But you talk about like how focused are you can,
Speaker 1: like can you handle being a professional football player and
Speaker 1: dedicating what you need to dedicate to being good at football?
Speaker 1: Because he's got a rap career. He was suspended from
Speaker 1: LSU's bowl game a couple of years ago, So there's
Speaker 1: there's history that suggests that keeping him on the straight
Speaker 1: and narrow could be a bit of a challenge. And
Speaker 1: then obviously Josh Ball being a big one as well.
Speaker 1: Sorry all of them, We're gonna go through all the
Speaker 1: picks he has. Think I think I think he's talking
Speaker 1: about the three that have the issues with that being
Speaker 1: the weakness of for him of this draft. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and so Josh Ball being the last one,
Speaker 1: which those are some really serious allegations eleven to for
Speaker 1: an allegations of domestic violence. That's not what you want
Speaker 1: to hear. So if all of these guys are ready
Speaker 1: to go and ready to embrace professionalism and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: it could be really great. If they're not, then it
Speaker 1: could lead to some problems. I will say. It seems
Speaker 1: like they drafted some really high character guys as well.
Speaker 1: I encourage anybody that hasn't done it to go read
Speaker 1: about um Osa Diggi Zooa's openness with mental health and
Speaker 1: what he's gone through with his family. Really fascinating. John
Speaker 1: cy Golston high character guy. His coaches at IOWA loved him,
Speaker 1: and Jabril Cox as well. So done rambling now, but
Speaker 1: it's there's concerns there that we're not used to seeing.
Speaker 1: You know, they drafted Randy Gregory, They've done this at times,
Speaker 1: but to take three big swings in one draft, it'll
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how it pans out. Camper. I
Speaker 1: mean to pig it back on that, because dislike for
Speaker 1: me of this draft overall, just basically what I said
Speaker 1: to begin with, the fact that these were guys that
Speaker 1: I didn't know much about, and maybe that's on me.
Speaker 1: To hear people like Nick say anything either, it makes
Speaker 1: me feel better, you know. But aside from that, once
Speaker 1: you start knowing about these guys and you hear the
Speaker 1: things that they've just mentioned, and you're like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: not one to judge, and I don't know much about
Speaker 1: them just yet. I don't know enough to form an opinion.
Speaker 1: But the fact that all of that is out there,
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, do we seriously always need to get
Speaker 1: someone that has some kind of like baggage with them?
Speaker 1: And we don't know again, how that's all gonna pan out.
Speaker 1: But after last year and seeing and I wasn't in
Speaker 1: the locker room, but I feel like the past two
Speaker 1: years kind of the dynamic and everyone kind of clicking
Speaker 1: together and just no drama and everything just kind of
Speaker 1: seems to be working out, and it appears to be
Speaker 1: working out. As far as the people within that locker room,
Speaker 1: it makes me wonder. I'm like, are we gonna go
Speaker 1: through one of those years again where you have someone
Speaker 1: that doesn't quite fit in? For example, tackle Charlton that
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't have all that stuff um on
Speaker 1: his back. But as far as like fitting in within
Speaker 1: the group, that does concern me. It does concern me
Speaker 1: whether someone will get um suspended during the season. We
Speaker 1: don't need any of that happening again, especially on the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, which seems to be always
Speaker 1: the area where a player gets suspended. But other than that,
Speaker 1: are they going to fit in? Are they going to
Speaker 1: fit in with the group and everybody else in there?
Speaker 1: So that's my biggest uh. I would say, dislike as
Speaker 1: of right now, all right, didn't like the second round pick,
Speaker 1: So that's I just I don't think that's a we'll see.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a good pick. Um you need
Speaker 1: the corner to come in and play. And I understand
Speaker 1: that they took the best talented guy that they had,
Speaker 1: but um, you know if you're just talking about a dislike.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was really hoping the Raiders did not
Speaker 1: take Mariga in there right before, because I think that
Speaker 1: broke the tie. It was. It was a fifty fifty
Speaker 1: right there, and I think, and maybe maybe we're gonna
Speaker 1: take the cornerback anyways, But he just doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: he's committed, fully committed, fully committed to playing football. That
Speaker 1: is what it seems like. I could be wrong. They
Speaker 1: do their homework, They do their homework way more than
Speaker 1: we do, so um, but I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't love the pick because I think you're counting
Speaker 1: on him so much and there's two SEC teams that
Speaker 1: couldn't count on him. So you answered the second part
Speaker 1: of my next question. I want you to to answer the
Speaker 1: first your favorite pick and then your least favorite pick.
Speaker 1: Obviously was Kelty Kentucky, Kentucky, you got your big boy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think I think, I really think sixth rounds,
Speaker 1: you can say, well, how much is he going to contribute?
Speaker 1: First of all six rounders on this team the last
Speaker 1: few years, there's always one that seems to make us
Speaker 1: to stick. But I think that he's gonna have a
Speaker 1: role because who else looks like him, who else can
Speaker 1: do what he does, and they had a higher grade
Speaker 1: on him, So you know, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's not many six round picks that the defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: actually talks about him in the press conference of where
Speaker 1: they're gonna play. So I I like the Bohanna pick.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, And if I'm wrong about Joseph, that
Speaker 1: that's great. I mean, I just think they need to
Speaker 1: count on him so much and he's gonna have to
Speaker 1: mature and maybe, you know, maybe he will, maybe being
Speaker 1: here and the Cowboys can kind of help with that,
Speaker 1: so we'll see. But I mean, that's if you're just
Speaker 1: gonna say which one, and I would say that that one.
Speaker 1: That's why my favorite one was Bohanna. All right, I
Speaker 1: promise it has nothing to do with where I went
Speaker 1: to school. But I just think you're bro. No, it
Speaker 1: really doesn't, you know, But LETNNA tell you why it does.
Speaker 1: The reason why it does because you've watched him so much,
Speaker 1: so you know what you love about it, right, that's
Speaker 1: the irony. I mean, I watched him all last year,
Speaker 1: but that was the only year he was there. Like
Speaker 1: this isn't a guy that I've followed since he was eighteen.
Speaker 1: I just think he he's a hell of a football player.
Speaker 1: He's a high character guy. He literally we talked about
Speaker 1: him on this show. We did, and I love his stories.
Speaker 1: He literally was like North Dakota State's not hard enough
Speaker 1: for me. I want to go to the SEC and
Speaker 1: he bawled out. He was the only good thing about
Speaker 1: LSU's team last year. And I again, I don't know
Speaker 1: this for sure, but I wonder because I think I
Speaker 1: bet they started talking about him. No, I know they
Speaker 1: did in the third round, like pick seventy five. They
Speaker 1: were like he was in the conversation from then on,
Speaker 1: and I wonder if they had known that they could
Speaker 1: have gotten him on Day two for sure. Maybe they
Speaker 1: draft Rushans later. I don't know that. Maybe they still
Speaker 1: draft Michael Parsons, and that's fine, but it's interesting to
Speaker 1: think about. He can cover and that's what you need
Speaker 1: in a linebacker in the modern NFL. Again, like not
Speaker 1: worried about his focus or his commitment or any of
Speaker 1: that stuff. And they got him at pick one fifteen.
Speaker 1: So that's a great value, just awesome value. This, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know I'm not here to judge the guy.
Speaker 1: He wasn't charged with the crime, but the Josh Ball
Speaker 1: stuff like he just you don't want to have to
Speaker 1: think about stuff like that perfectly, Like you don't want
Speaker 1: to have to say this, what's what's this guy doing
Speaker 1: when he goes home? I don't know? And again again
Speaker 1: was not charged with the crime. Not my place, but
Speaker 1: it just kind of makes you feel icky a little
Speaker 1: bit when you hear stuff like that. I really do.
Speaker 1: And we'll throw in, you know, the draft nerds, the
Speaker 1: Nishan Right one. It's funny because I feel like people
Speaker 1: are going to judge this draft more on Nishan Right
Speaker 1: than Michael Parsons, because like everybody is like, well, Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons is the most talented defender in this class, like
Speaker 1: you got you gotta draft him, and if it doesn't
Speaker 1: work out, that's just the draft. But Nishan Right, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are much higher on this guy than seemingly everybody else.
Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean they're wrong, but it is going
Speaker 1: to make that really interesting as we see how his
Speaker 1: career unfolds. And it does also make an interesting point
Speaker 1: of where could you have gotten him? If everybody else
Speaker 1: but that's hard this year, unlike every other year. Usually
Speaker 1: your scouts are out and they're running into other scouts
Speaker 1: as they're on the road, so they're kind of getting
Speaker 1: an idea of what teams stink of players they didn't
Speaker 1: have that this year. Will talked about that on Saturday
Speaker 1: Night Will McClay and I love it because he's right.
Speaker 1: And it's the same thing like if you go back
Speaker 1: and listen to our draft coverage, you know, Day Brugler
Speaker 1: does more work on the draft than anybody. I respect
Speaker 1: him implicitly. He had I think he had a six
Speaker 1: seventh round grade on right. But the minute an NFL
Speaker 1: team drafts a guy in the third round, you start thinking, like, shoot,
Speaker 1: like did I miss something? Did they miss something? And
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're second guessing yourself. Again respect
Speaker 1: a lot of other people that do this for a
Speaker 1: living as well. But then they go home and watch
Speaker 1: rite and they're like, oh yeah, like I can sort
Speaker 1: of see it like maybe like a fourth round, and like,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the fact that a team was
Speaker 1: willing to draft him ninety nine. It just it affects
Speaker 1: your opinion. It just does. And so I'll be fascinated
Speaker 1: to see, you know, not having that think that that
Speaker 1: group think where you know, scouts go out on the
Speaker 1: road and they watch the workout and the guy from
Speaker 1: the Cardinals is like, this guy as a baller, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're like, yeah, like, I guess
Speaker 1: he is. So it's gonna be fascinating. Are the Cowboys
Speaker 1: a lot smarter than everybody else? Or did they get
Speaker 1: this way wrong? It's gonna be fascinating. Yep, I got
Speaker 1: a point to that too, but I'll finish here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: favorite and least favorite. Favorite would have to be Parsons
Speaker 1: one because it's the one I know the most about.
Speaker 1: But two because after Horn and certain were gone, I mean,
Speaker 1: the one position that I really wanted the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: draft was linebacker aside from cornerback. So I was glad
Speaker 1: that they did address that position. And I said it
Speaker 1: last week on the show that that would be a
Speaker 1: high it is a very high necessity right now for
Speaker 1: the team. So that would be my most like pick
Speaker 1: because especially because of the position, and the least one,
Speaker 1: I guess Joseph second, just because as soon as he
Speaker 1: was picked, I mean, here comes Nick to the whole
Speaker 1: room and starts telling his whole background and everything that happened.
Speaker 1: I just was listening to the draft show, and I
Speaker 1: was like, it was before day laid it all out
Speaker 1: on the draft Dave. Dave actually knew this was happening
Speaker 1: way before the draft started. Yeah, you mean you were
Speaker 1: plugged in on this one, and he knew this was
Speaker 1: gonna be the guy. So we're like, let's look into it.
Speaker 1: And then just hearing more stuff and you're like, so
Speaker 1: you walked in there as soon as they made the pick,
Speaker 1: and then he starts telling, oh, man, you know I've
Speaker 1: heard about this guy. And then he goes on and
Speaker 1: tells the whole story of everything that he's dealing with.
Speaker 1: And then you're like, okay, you know it puts an opinion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it puts everybody in the room. It's like, oh really,
Speaker 1: oh wow, okay, so you start forming an opinion based
Speaker 1: on that. So instantly I was like, Oh, you gotta
Speaker 1: be kidding me. We got a guy that has an
Speaker 1: old ad with him football, rap, football, rap. You know,
Speaker 1: he's not the first, not the first professional athlete to
Speaker 1: have a RAP career and and be able to do
Speaker 1: the job. Well no, no, no, not not at all.
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, he I mean, let's don't get into it.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I think the priorities though that that
Speaker 1: would be one that you would question. And then there
Speaker 1: was a little moment there, I guess when he maybe
Speaker 1: in between schools, when you weren't sure what he wanted.
Speaker 1: And he's probably he's not the first twenty one, twenty
Speaker 1: two year old in the world that didn't know what
Speaker 1: he wanted to do with his life. That that happens
Speaker 1: all the time. So I mean, I hope I'm I'm
Speaker 1: wrong here. I mean, you know, last year was a
Speaker 1: weird year to also gauge anybody of what's going on,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to make another point of what he
Speaker 1: was saying about, like Nashan right now, guys like that,
Speaker 1: you know, I always I always throw out the Anthony
Speaker 1: Hitchens story. It's one of my favorite stories because I
Speaker 1: just remember he was a six or seventh round pick.
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli just really loved what he could do for
Speaker 1: this defense. And I think when you're looking at the
Speaker 1: mcshay's and mel Kipers didn't even Dane Brugler. They they
Speaker 1: do these scouting reports for players for any scheme, for
Speaker 1: any team. They just grade them that way. And I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys obviously, like any team with the great
Speaker 1: I'm based off of what their team is. What that
Speaker 1: you know. I mean there was a cornerback from Washington
Speaker 1: that kind of fell I don't know where he got drafted,
Speaker 1: corner Molden. Oh oh, like he was the next pick
Speaker 1: off the board. Yeah, but like they I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean from what I heard that they didn't know what
Speaker 1: to do with them. Um, dan Quinn was like, where
Speaker 1: I play this guy? So he didn't fit in his
Speaker 1: scheme and where the Nashan right? Maybe you know, some
Speaker 1: teams may not even had him rated that high. So
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you have to be specific to what
Speaker 1: you're looking for. And sometimes these draft experts, they're they're
Speaker 1: doing it across the board so that they may think
Speaker 1: he's a little great for them because they're not running
Speaker 1: this defense, they're not running this type of scheme. So
Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit it's a little bit different
Speaker 1: and tricky when you're talking about guys in the mid
Speaker 1: rounds of what the preference would be. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: you make a great point because as we all know,
Speaker 1: like teams draft traits, they draft things, they see in
Speaker 1: players that that makes them think they can work with
Speaker 1: the system they have. And it's very clear here they
Speaker 1: want big, long, lengthy corners. And so for them, they
Speaker 1: look at his skill set and they say, hey, there's
Speaker 1: another guy that may have some of the skill sets,
Speaker 1: but this guy has a lot more links, a lot
Speaker 1: more size will take him right. And so I think
Speaker 1: that that has to be considered when you're trying to
Speaker 1: evaluate how the Cowboys did. Have you seen the flea flicker?
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody runs a flee flicker in college or
Speaker 1: pro football without it getting sent to me somehow on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Like everything that happens always I'm alerted by well Tyler
Speaker 1: or fahicco Simi Tyler. Oh that's the last guy. Simio
Speaker 1: scores a touchdown on a on a flee flicker. There's
Speaker 1: our guy, Sean Wright in the background chasing the play.
Speaker 1: So and I was like, you know, what can you do?
Speaker 1: But it, like I said, they're they're not right, they're
Speaker 1: not wrong. But it's the biggest it's the biggest discrepancy
Speaker 1: because you know, some people will tell you OsO diggi zooa.
Speaker 1: Maybe they overdrafted him by ten to twelve spots, that's nothing.
Speaker 1: You know, same thing with Chauncey Golson. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: on our show during the draft, it was like, probably
Speaker 1: not who I would have taken, but it's that that
Speaker 1: range makes sense, and I can see his role in
Speaker 1: this defense. Nashan Wright was just so far out of
Speaker 1: left field for everybody, Like I have yet to find
Speaker 1: an analyst who was not surprised by that, which again
Speaker 1: doesn't make anybody right or wrong. It's just the biggest
Speaker 1: discrepancy that I can remember in a long time. You know,
Speaker 1: like the Rivals dot Com and that they do like
Speaker 1: the like rankings for high school players. I've seen interviews
Speaker 1: where they, you know that they're like, well we had
Speaker 1: this basketball player as a two star, three star player,
Speaker 1: Well he just got he just committed to Duke. Well
Speaker 1: you know what, actually, when you look at it, he's
Speaker 1: more of a four feet you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: once you see that from the back end, you're like, well,
Speaker 1: like you said, they probably looked at it again and
Speaker 1: and you know, you guys have to look at what
Speaker 1: four or five games, maybe two or three games to
Speaker 1: say I mean, yeah, well I don't want to I
Speaker 1: think Dane Dane does a lot more than that, but
Speaker 1: that's Dane's career. That's all he does. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know brought us would look at three to four games.
Speaker 1: I mean, and what I mean, you're trying to look
Speaker 1: at four hundred guys. No. And that's another thing Will
Speaker 1: said Saturday is like, you know, with with this weird,
Speaker 1: with this year being so weird, we leaned on eighteen tape,
Speaker 1: nineteen tape, twenty tape if they had it, And yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'll be the first. I don't pretend to be
Speaker 1: a draft expert. I try to watch two games if
Speaker 1: I can find the time. Like I don't kind of see,
Speaker 1: I don't have time to watch your entire season because
Speaker 1: it's not my job to do that. I looked at
Speaker 1: a lot of highlights like stuff on YouTube, but they
Speaker 1: don't put bad stuff in there, you know. But one
Speaker 1: thing about Gholston I thought was interesting though we talked
Speaker 1: about traits. He's a defensive end. Every one of his
Speaker 1: sacks that they showed he's rushing from defensive tackle position,
Speaker 1: like on third, so they probably have a spot for him.
Speaker 1: They're thinking, all right, you're gonna play end, but on
Speaker 1: third and long you might be the tackle we use inside, so, um,
Speaker 1: you know there's there's different roles for these guys. Chauncey
Speaker 1: told us, sorry, he told us on Friday night he
Speaker 1: was a Senior Bowl guy. Him, Osa and Jibrilcox were
Speaker 1: all Senior Bowl guys. He got to Mobile and the
Speaker 1: defensive line depth chart was just loaded and there weren't
Speaker 1: that many defensive tackles and he went straight to the
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was with the Panthers or who,
Speaker 1: but he went straight to the coaching staff and was like,
Speaker 1: I'd like to play defensive tackle. It's there's more opportunity
Speaker 1: for me to get reps and get noticed and do
Speaker 1: that and like just move me if you want to
Speaker 1: move me, and like that's for all my concerns about
Speaker 1: some character issues. I think they drafted a lot of
Speaker 1: like the quote unquote right kind of guys as well.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think if you don't if you don't
Speaker 1: see I think O, DIGGI, Zoa and Gholston. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that you're you're probably going to be a utility guy.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Yeah. I will say this though,
Speaker 1: when you talk about the cornerback position and looking at
Speaker 1: traits you just have to go back and look at
Speaker 1: dan Quinn's defense in Seattle. They had Brandon Browner, who
Speaker 1: was an undrafted guy that was six to four. You
Speaker 1: had Richard Sherman who was six three and draft in
Speaker 1: the fifth round. Again, not guys that come out of
Speaker 1: college anybody thought were going to be great cornerbacks. But
Speaker 1: they combined with two really good safeties to become maybe
Speaker 1: one of the best secondaries maybe in my lifetime. So
Speaker 1: that all being said, again, this is the kind of
Speaker 1: defense he runs. Maybe he looks at it and says,
Speaker 1: they may not be what everybody else values, but I
Speaker 1: value them in my defense, and that's what matters. Where's
Speaker 1: the Earl Thomas? I know I'm looking for that. We
Speaker 1: haven't gotten to that yet. We'll maybe talk about that
Speaker 1: a little later. All r let's say our first break
Speaker 1: when we come back. Well, I'm gonna ask these guys
Speaker 1: about the first round. Specifically, I want to know if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys made the right decision selecting Slate. I mean,
Speaker 1: I started selecting Michael Parsons over Slater in the first round. Here,
Speaker 1: those are the only two players that were left that
Speaker 1: had been linked to the Cowboys. Cowboys went with Parsons.
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Speaker 1: live from the s TOBC Mortgage Studios. At the start,
Speaker 1: were presented by Geico. We're talking about the NFL Draft
Speaker 1: first round. The Cowboys were presented with an interesting prospect.
Speaker 1: They had gotten to pick seven, and at that point
Speaker 1: they still had four guys left on the board with
Speaker 1: two picks to go before they would pick. They had
Speaker 1: four guys left on the board that had been linked
Speaker 1: to them. They had Horn, they had Certain, they had
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons, and then they had Rashaan Slater. Obviously, both
Speaker 1: those cornerbacks get selected at eight and nine, which was
Speaker 1: a bit of a shock to me. I was expecting
Speaker 1: at least one of those cornerbacks to be available to them,
Speaker 1: but they both get snatched up. Cowboys are left with
Speaker 1: a decision on and I don't even know if it
Speaker 1: was a decision for them, And certainly was a decision
Speaker 1: as we were all looking at it, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was a decision for them. But they
Speaker 1: are left with choosing between Slater and Parsons. They go
Speaker 1: with Parsons. Do you guys think that was the right decision?
Speaker 1: Let's start with you Amber Me personally, I think so,
Speaker 1: And I think again, we don't know exactly what they
Speaker 1: think exactly, But I have to go back to the
Speaker 1: position and look at what positions each of those guys
Speaker 1: were in right now. They keep saying how they feel
Speaker 1: about Lyle Collins and Tyren Smith. They keep talking about
Speaker 1: feeling good about them, them practicing on the field and
Speaker 1: looking good, and they seem to be getting healthy and
Speaker 1: expected to be back fully for the season. So maybe
Speaker 1: they're what's the word I'm looking for, not scared, but
Speaker 1: their concerned concern. Maybe their level of concern is not
Speaker 1: as high as ours who are looking from the outside
Speaker 1: and don't know as much information as these doctors do.
Speaker 1: But I would have to just say because of that,
Speaker 1: the fact that they do have two starters expected to
Speaker 1: be back, and then you look at linebacker position, you
Speaker 1: don't quite know. I mean, you could technically kind of
Speaker 1: say the same about like invendor Ish, but maybe that's
Speaker 1: because that's why you've drafted a linebacker because of that,
Speaker 1: maybe because of Layton not necessarily being as healthy as
Speaker 1: you would want him to be. And then you got
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, who you're still trying to figure out exactly
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do with them with him, and then
Speaker 1: the depth at the position itself. So to me personally,
Speaker 1: that's how I saw it as far as position itself
Speaker 1: and the guys that you already have in your roster
Speaker 1: versus talent wise. Okay, Nick, I definitely think that they
Speaker 1: made the right choice. The worst defense in the history
Speaker 1: of your franchise. You have the tenth pick, you got
Speaker 1: moved it to the twelfth pick, and you still have
Speaker 1: the chance to draft the highest rated defensive player on
Speaker 1: the board. I just think they owe it to themselves
Speaker 1: to do that. They they've been messing with the offense
Speaker 1: for years. Offense is looking really good, but you have
Speaker 1: a chance. You need to fix the defense. You didn't
Speaker 1: do anything in free agency to really fix it. And
Speaker 1: here's the best defensive player that you have rated. I
Speaker 1: don't know where he ranks. Was Slater or they didn't
Speaker 1: really mention that, I don't think, but you know, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, like she said, there's so many question marks
Speaker 1: at linebacker. This is a position that of need right now,
Speaker 1: it's a long term need. And you know you're asking
Speaker 1: Slater to move to guard to play right now and
Speaker 1: then eventually play tackle. I'm sure you could do it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you'd be great, but I just think you
Speaker 1: had to fix your defense. It was so terrible and
Speaker 1: you get a dynamic player. It's it's harsh for me
Speaker 1: to say that I think they made the wrong decision.
Speaker 1: I really I don't. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I don't have a ton of beef with making Micah
Speaker 1: Parsons the pick. But it just it's an interesting example of, like,
Speaker 1: there's so much more that goes into this than like,
Speaker 1: here's how our board stacks up, and we're just gonna
Speaker 1: take the guy on top of it. Because I believe
Speaker 1: them that Micah Parsons was their highest grade. I absolutely
Speaker 1: think they would have drafted one of the cornerbacks if
Speaker 1: they had been there. Yeah, so you already know that
Speaker 1: they're willing to bypass grade for Need and so we
Speaker 1: I don't know Rashaan Slater's grade. I think it's very
Speaker 1: reasonable to think he had a comparable, if not better one.
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons, I believe, started thirteen college games before opting out.
Speaker 1: Rashaan Slater started thirty seven. It's played all over the line.
Speaker 1: He got on people's radars because you can go watch
Speaker 1: the tape of him bullying Chase Young, who just one
Speaker 1: defensive player of the year or excuse me, rookie of
Speaker 1: the year, not player, and looks like he's gonna be
Speaker 1: one of the best pass rushers you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: face twice here. So like, the guy can do it,
Speaker 1: and he's probably good enough to play guard. I think
Speaker 1: he's probably better than Connor Williams if he got here today. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, boom Er Bust, I think Rashon Slater
Speaker 1: would would have been an absurdly safe pick. Micah Parsons
Speaker 1: has a very very high upside at a in a
Speaker 1: situation that they need more and I don't I hesitate
Speaker 1: to use the word reach, but I think they delicately,
Speaker 1: you know, they leaned toward need, and they did it
Speaker 1: throughout the draft the week before the draft, Nick and
Speaker 1: I came on here and said, it's never ten defensive
Speaker 1: picks to one offense have picked. Nobody does that. It's
Speaker 1: gonna balance out, And it really didn't deny. They spend
Speaker 1: eight of eleven on defense, and that to me says
Speaker 1: they were leaning toward their need. And you know, they
Speaker 1: would probably never say this publicly, but I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if they're sitting in that room saying, even if
Speaker 1: only three of these guys hit of the eight defenders,
Speaker 1: that's you know, we're reworking a third of our defense
Speaker 1: and we need that. And I don't really I don't
Speaker 1: blame them for it because the offense, the offense should
Speaker 1: should be what gets them to the playoffs. The defense
Speaker 1: needs to be respectable. So if that's what they did,
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it. But I have
Speaker 1: more confidence right now that Rashaan Slater will repay that
Speaker 1: pick than Michael Parsons. And again that's not to say
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons will be a bad player, but I that's
Speaker 1: just how I feel. I think Slater was a safer pick.
Speaker 1: Parsons has high upside. It's something they need a little
Speaker 1: bit more. That's all. Yeah, I agree with you on that,
Speaker 1: and I think the thing for me is, again, I
Speaker 1: don't I wouldn't as you say, I wouldn't necessarily say
Speaker 1: they made the wrong pick, because I think both these
Speaker 1: guys are talented players that you could see bright futures
Speaker 1: for both both of them. My personal preference is, when
Speaker 1: you're taking a first round selection, get the guy that
Speaker 1: has the greatest upside and also, in my opinion, the
Speaker 1: greatest floor. Like I want to be as safe with
Speaker 1: this first round pick as possible. I want a great player,
Speaker 1: but I want a great player that I feel very
Speaker 1: certain at the least is going to be really good
Speaker 1: because he's in the first round, and especially if you're
Speaker 1: up that high, you're not gonna be up that high
Speaker 1: very often. So if you tell me at twelve, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get a tackle that I feel
Speaker 1: like immediately comes in and is a better guard for me.
Speaker 1: So imagine that for that offensive line this year. If
Speaker 1: you actually get back Lyall Collins and Tyron Smith both healthy,
Speaker 1: and you still got Travis I mean, I'm sorry, you
Speaker 1: still got um um um the guard Martin Jack Martin
Speaker 1: on the line, and you still got him, and then
Speaker 1: you plug in Slater at the other guard. I really
Speaker 1: don't care who you put at center. That is back
Speaker 1: to when the Cowboys had a dominant offensive line a
Speaker 1: few years ago. Like that's the kind of offensive line
Speaker 1: that you now have again. And I feel very confident
Speaker 1: if those guys are healthy, that your offense is gonna
Speaker 1: be really, really, really good. And I don't think this
Speaker 1: defense is one player away, so I don't think that
Speaker 1: linebacker necessarily changes things. I go back to your point
Speaker 1: Dave earlier about if you still manage to somehow be
Speaker 1: able to get Cocks later, then you still address that position.
Speaker 1: But now your offensive line is secured, not only for now,
Speaker 1: but whenever that tackle, whenever Tyron Smith decides to retire,
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna play forever. Whenever he decides to retire,
Speaker 1: You not got Slater or just waiting there in the wings,
Speaker 1: just popping right out there to left tackle, and you're
Speaker 1: ready to roll for the next ten years. Right. So
Speaker 1: to me, I just look at it like you had more.
Speaker 1: You had more value now and in the future, and
Speaker 1: it's by far I think a much safer pick. I
Speaker 1: think Parksons can be great. He might end up being
Speaker 1: all time great linebacker. Who knows, but I think there
Speaker 1: is more. There's also a chance that he busts. More
Speaker 1: of a chance that he bust than a chance that
Speaker 1: Slater busts, in my opinion. Going back to the boom
Speaker 1: or bus thing, I mean, if if Calvin Joseph had
Speaker 1: no you know, character flags, whatever you want to call him,
Speaker 1: he's the first round pick. There were people talking about
Speaker 1: him as a first round pick anyway, as a pure
Speaker 1: football player. A lot of people think he's better right
Speaker 1: now than Trayvon Diggs was coming out. But I think
Speaker 1: him and him and Parsons, the ceiling is sky high.
Speaker 1: I think the floor is real low too, And that's
Speaker 1: what makes it interesting. And that's also the thing about
Speaker 1: second third round picks. Typically they are guys at half
Speaker 1: skills that could make them a first round pick. There's
Speaker 1: something about the medical or something that makes them not
Speaker 1: be a first picks. Don't act like there's not guys
Speaker 1: on this team like that, you know, the drafted Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis the same way third round pick that he was
Speaker 1: in the middle of dealing with stuff that they had
Speaker 1: to go and make phone calls about and figure out
Speaker 1: what his situation was after they drafted him, they still
Speaker 1: had to go back to court, he still had to
Speaker 1: get charges or dropped or whatever it was. But they
Speaker 1: were confident in there. So you know, this team was
Speaker 1: doing their homework. They did their homework, Dave. You know
Speaker 1: they did their homework, Joseph, No, that's honestly they did.
Speaker 1: And that's a really good point is like we sat
Speaker 1: here after that draft and talked about Jordan. You know
Speaker 1: that that those allegations and all that stuff got dropped,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, nobody has a bad word to
Speaker 1: say about Jordan Lewis as a person like four years later.
Speaker 1: So I mean it is fair to give these things
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. It that's nobody. Nobody's been
Speaker 1: charged with a crime that I'm aware of, Like Kelvin
Speaker 1: Joseph likes to rap and partaken which way again, it's fine,
Speaker 1: It's fine if you're you want to be a rapper, Yeah,
Speaker 1: in your side time, Like on the side, right, it
Speaker 1: can't become your main thing when you're getting paid football.
Speaker 1: It rubs me the wrong way. Like you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, not caring about football gets lumped
Speaker 1: in with like doing literal crimes sometimes and that's not right.
Speaker 1: So do you have some Nick, I probably shouldn't go
Speaker 1: I'm good. You know. Some of the funny thing is,
Speaker 1: and this is something from working with Nick for so long.
Speaker 1: He has this little tremble that happens when his lip
Speaker 1: when he wants to say something but he knows he
Speaker 1: shouldn't say it. And that's what I'll When he said that,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna move on because I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna keep pressing because he probably shouldn't say it. All right,
Speaker 1: So we're gonna take it. We're gonna take our final break.
Speaker 1: When we come back. I want to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about some news that broke there a couple of
Speaker 1: players the Cowboys are releasing, and it goes back to
Speaker 1: me to something that Steven Jones said this weekend about
Speaker 1: why they drafted so many of these defensive players and
Speaker 1: their desire to see these rookies come in and maybe
Speaker 1: take the place of some of the higher price FETs.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go through some of these positions and see
Speaker 1: what vets might be a little bit in danger. As
Speaker 1: the Cowboys approach training camp and throughout training camp this
Speaker 1: year of having their jobs taken by rookies. Well, when
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Speaker 1: quickly on some news that happened this morning. There were
Speaker 1: several players that have now been officially waived. Who are they?
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods, it's been waved, Adam Redmond, Saveon Smith, Walter Palmore,
Speaker 1: Ladarius Hamilton, came on Hall. If you're saying, who on
Speaker 1: some of those guys? Some of those guys, um COmON?
Speaker 1: Hall was added. I think after the season. Darius Hamilton
Speaker 1: was here from last year, um like as a rookie
Speaker 1: free agent. Pal Moore was I believe added in the
Speaker 1: middle of the season when the seventy five guys were
Speaker 1: in and out of the practice squad and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I mentioned their pocisition along with their name. Palmore is
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle. Does it matter now? I mean, what
Speaker 1: does he do? Guys in the back on the line.
Speaker 1: I take this personally. I pride myself on you know,
Speaker 1: I pride myself on knowing the roster, knowing the names,
Speaker 1: knowing the faces. It's something that I've always taken pride in.
Speaker 1: And last year, I'm I'm in a bad spot because,
Speaker 1: like we didn't have access to the team, the roster
Speaker 1: restrictions were different. Guys were moving back and forth more
Speaker 1: than they ever have. Like we got this list earlier
Speaker 1: today and I was like, Okay, I know Antoine like
Speaker 1: the rest of them. Kimon Halls, a defensive back North Texas,
Speaker 1: was never gonna make the team. Ladarius Hamilton, linebacker North Texas,
Speaker 1: never gonna make it. Walter Palmore, defensive tackle, he was.
Speaker 1: He was just kind of a practice bad guy. Saveeon
Speaker 1: submid defensive back that Roethlisberger picked on at the end
Speaker 1: of the Pittsburgh game that they won the game on.
Speaker 1: Adam Redman, center guard that they've moved back, you know,
Speaker 1: not good enough to ever make our team or roster,
Speaker 1: not bad enough to be out of the league. They
Speaker 1: just kind of back and forth. He'll probably go to
Speaker 1: the Giants and then Antoine Woods defensive tackle, two point
Speaker 1: one million dollar restrictive tender and they decided to let
Speaker 1: him go. Yeah, And which is really weird because when
Speaker 1: you asked, I asked, Sean Legal who's going to be
Speaker 1: some of the leaders. And I mean, he named some
Speaker 1: of the guys, but he ain't named Antoine Woods as
Speaker 1: a leader. And you know, well, I think I think
Speaker 1: it's really clear. Somebody mentioned it earlier in the show.
Speaker 1: I think it was you that the thing you loved
Speaker 1: about this draft is they were obviously looking for size.
Speaker 1: That's something that Antoine's not. Like, he's not a big
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. He's a little bit shorter because he's a
Speaker 1: big dude. He is. But you think, relatively speaking, like
Speaker 1: these guys that are coming in, like just Draft sixty seven,
Speaker 1: he's a small tackle and he's not agile enough to
Speaker 1: be your three technique. He's not good. And I guess
Speaker 1: for this particular defense, right And that's by the way,
Speaker 1: Antoine Wood's gonna get picked up by somebody. He's gonna
Speaker 1: play football in the NFL next season. I would doubt,
Speaker 1: very seriously if he doesn't. And he'll be a contributor.
Speaker 1: And I think he'll be a contributor like he was
Speaker 1: with Dallas. He was never a great player here, but
Speaker 1: he was a contributing player here. So I think that's
Speaker 1: going to continue for him. He just may not be
Speaker 1: a fit for this defense. Yeah, I was surprised. Sorry, no,
Speaker 1: go ahead, I was just gonna say that I was
Speaker 1: surprised the fact that when they did pick him up,
Speaker 1: just because how vocal he's been on social media as
Speaker 1: far as like, you know, I deserve this or that.
Speaker 1: When he starts comparing himself to other rookie or younger
Speaker 1: guys that are getting more or close to what he's
Speaker 1: making and things like that in comparison, and you clearly
Speaker 1: know that that did bother him, and he felt like
Speaker 1: he was more deserving and of everything, of money, and
Speaker 1: that's fair. You gotta fight for your paycheck and everything.
Speaker 1: But after hearing that, I never thought they would pick
Speaker 1: him up in the first place. Just because of that,
Speaker 1: I started sensing maybe there was some kind of discontent,
Speaker 1: and there clearly there was discontent. But yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not as surprised us. You know, maybe that
Speaker 1: we're doing that to get ready for the draft in
Speaker 1: case they didn't get somewhere exactly what they were doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was going to just throw this to you, Dave.
Speaker 1: I mean, they issued at two point one million dollars
Speaker 1: tender for him. They didn't have to do that. For
Speaker 1: restricted free agent. They did, and he signed it and
Speaker 1: then after the draft, So what you think them has
Speaker 1: bes part of what they got in the draft, whether
Speaker 1: it be Bohannah, Yeah, well it's I think it's a combination.
Speaker 1: They drafted two pure defensive tackles and then a third
Speaker 1: guy who can play defensive tackle. So do the numbers.
Speaker 1: And then to your point, Stephen Jones is talking to
Speaker 1: anybody who will listen about how they want to get cheaper.
Speaker 1: He's he said, he you know, it might be a stretch,
Speaker 1: but it's he hopes all eleven draft picks can make
Speaker 1: the roster, because that's eleven guys making pennies compared to
Speaker 1: even even what Antoine was making, which that is a
Speaker 1: precarious place to be in the NFL. Is like when
Speaker 1: you reach the stage where you're making more money but
Speaker 1: you're not good enough or valuable enough that you're stuck
Speaker 1: on the team. Like for everybody that wants to whine
Speaker 1: about Jayalen Smith, he's here, his his salaries. Guaranteed, it
Speaker 1: would kill them financially to get rid of him this year.
Speaker 1: If we're talking about right now, right now, we're talking
Speaker 1: about right now about Antoine Woods as soon as they
Speaker 1: release him, they get all that money back. There's nothing guaranteed,
Speaker 1: and like, if you're in that position, like, and I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to come for anybody's job, but Cedric Wilson
Speaker 1: signed the same tender. They drafted a receiver. They brought
Speaker 1: in four undrafted guys, Noah Brown. I think he signed
Speaker 1: for like a mill there. It ain't nothing guaranteed with
Speaker 1: those deals. And you better come to training camp ready
Speaker 1: because that's the type of guy they're looking to get
Speaker 1: rid of. They're not looking to get rid of Jalen Smith.
Speaker 1: They can't. They're looking to say, who here's making one
Speaker 1: to five million that we can get rid of or
Speaker 1: trade or cut or whatever that a rookie can come
Speaker 1: in and replace that production better be at Dax House.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, and which every day. That is a wonderful point.
Speaker 1: I mean, Cedric is one of das guys, So I
Speaker 1: mean there is that to consider. But I think negotiation,
Speaker 1: they're they're what I think, I think they're eight million
Speaker 1: under the cap technically, but they signed eleven, they drafted
Speaker 1: eleven guys, so they're right, they're right up against it.
Speaker 1: And I you know, I'm not asking you to care
Speaker 1: about the cowboys financial situation, but that's stuff that they've got,
Speaker 1: and the TV money is going to kick in eventually,
Speaker 1: but not right now. So if they can do anything
Speaker 1: to buy themselves some space, they're gonna do it. So,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't to be honest, I was a
Speaker 1: little surprised that they released Antoine so soon, like I
Speaker 1: thought it might happen after training camp or whenever. Well,
Speaker 1: they did have to get below ninety and they get
Speaker 1: the other guys they cut were you know, Antoine has
Speaker 1: started thirty two games for this team, so I'm a
Speaker 1: little surprised by that too. But but again, you can
Speaker 1: if you can find two million dollars in space and
Speaker 1: you think you can get away with it, I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1: I'm not shocked. Let's be clear. This also could have
Speaker 1: been a thing where where maybe Antoine one at this
Speaker 1: maybe Antoine his reps talk to the Cowboys and say, hey,
Speaker 1: this is a very deep group. We'd love the opportunity
Speaker 1: to be able to be free agent. Remember he was restricted,
Speaker 1: so he didn't have the ability really to go out
Speaker 1: there and kind of look to see where it's the
Speaker 1: best fit for him, and Cowboys may have been like,
Speaker 1: you know, in the likelihood have been making this team,
Speaker 1: it's probably small we'll get We'll do him a salo.
Speaker 1: Let him go out there and try to see what
Speaker 1: he can find. Right, who knows that fighting And that
Speaker 1: might have been a conversation because if you remember, he
Speaker 1: signed the exclusive rights free agent tag last year, which
Speaker 1: gives you even fewer you know, you have even fewer
Speaker 1: options under that tag, and he sort of held out,
Speaker 1: like he didn't sign it until like right before training camp,
Speaker 1: whereas this year he signed it. You know, immediately he
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm on board. So maybe that was
Speaker 1: a conversation of like, sign the tag, we'll see what
Speaker 1: happens after the draft. And yeah, they might have known
Speaker 1: like if we get some defensive tackles people, we'll let
Speaker 1: you talk. You know, who knows. All I'm saying is
Speaker 1: I don't think we should assume sure that that Antoine
Speaker 1: was upset with this, like this could have been something
Speaker 1: that maybe may have been more helpful. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, he knows how to deal with these
Speaker 1: kind of situations and maybe you know, there'll be other
Speaker 1: options for him. But I think it was more about
Speaker 1: the scheme, you know, for him. Okay, so there's we're
Speaker 1: gonna do. Let's go down the list. I'm gonna show talk.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna name the player that got drafted, and obviously
Speaker 1: there are players at that position. I want you to, guys,
Speaker 1: to tell me who what veteran you think should be
Speaker 1: going to training camp with a renewed sense of focused
Speaker 1: knowing that their job may be in jeopardy. Let's start
Speaker 1: with linebackers. You got Michael Parsons being drafted. You got
Speaker 1: guys Jalen Smith, Laton Vander esh Keyan O'Neill who was
Speaker 1: a newcomer, Luke Gifford, Francis Bernard, Michael Parsons Andrew bill
Speaker 1: Cox being the two draft picks. Who is who are
Speaker 1: the veterans that need to be concerned Luke Gifford and
Speaker 1: Francis Bernard. That's I would be. I guess anything's possible.
Speaker 1: Crazy how you call them veterans, I know, but it's
Speaker 1: just crazy. It's hard to imagine too much happening at
Speaker 1: the top of that depth chart. I mean, they could,
Speaker 1: they could cut Kean O'Neill. They didn't give him that
Speaker 1: much money, but he's dan Quinn's a one year deal. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's one year, I think only three million and guarantees.
Speaker 1: It's like it's a very similar deal to what Haha
Speaker 1: got last year, so they could. But he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's dan Quinn's guy, unless he's absolutely terrible, and unless
Speaker 1: I look at Brill Cox, is that kind of guy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: jabro Cox just balls out in training camp and Keyan
Speaker 1: O'Neill is not quite what they wanted or expect. I
Speaker 1: think that could be a one that's really questionable. It's right,
Speaker 1: that's fair, But I guess I'm putting a lot of
Speaker 1: emphasis on the dan Quinn connection. Again, dan Quinn was
Speaker 1: super reluctant to label anybody in this defense the other
Speaker 1: night when he talked to us, but he was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: Keian is going to play linebacker, He's going to do
Speaker 1: this that, And they like, that's his dude. So it
Speaker 1: would surprise me, but we should mention him. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: mentioned for me, I wouldn't mentioned Kano, but just because
Speaker 1: he's valuable because of the fact that he has the
Speaker 1: ability to play those two different positions in the secondary
Speaker 1: or linebacker, in two areas that the Cowboys clearly have
Speaker 1: struggled with in the past. Year, So you never know
Speaker 1: what kind of injuries are going to happen throughout the season.
Speaker 1: You never know how any of these younger guys are
Speaker 1: going to develop into. So that's why I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: necessarily Kan O'Neil not to make the team or anything like.
Speaker 1: You know, he's someone that I know or think that
Speaker 1: he's gonna definitely have a role somewhere on the defense. Now,
Speaker 1: as far as these other guys, unfortunately, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to agree with Dave and go with look, Geff and
Speaker 1: Frances Bernard just because no, you know what, screw that, No,
Speaker 1: screw it, I'm gonna go with Jalen. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: go ahead, Jalen and Layton. That's the I think that's
Speaker 1: the answer here. Yeah, because these two guys, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to cut you off with these two guys that they
Speaker 1: were drafted turned both of those players, Jayalen and Layton
Speaker 1: into contract years. This is a contract year for both
Speaker 1: of them now, So I think I think, you know
Speaker 1: it's I would put it on them and I would
Speaker 1: say this, I agree with you. I don't think it
Speaker 1: necessarily means they'd be out the door this year. I
Speaker 1: do think it could mean they're out the door next year,
Speaker 1: all right, whatever happens right now, then absolutely that's why
Speaker 1: those guys are here. Yeah, Micah Parsons and Jabril Cox
Speaker 1: are here because the linebackers have underwhelmed. I just again,
Speaker 1: we love to act like it's a pure meritocracy. I
Speaker 1: don't understand how you can cut Jalen Smith in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one. No, you don't cut him. But there's a
Speaker 1: bench that plenty of space. And I keep saying it,
Speaker 1: I what No, I mean, I mean, I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 1: I think, Okay, with Layton, the bad thing is you
Speaker 1: don't know injury wise, so he might be out. Not
Speaker 1: because he's performing bad and he struggled into he struggled,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt
Speaker 1: because of the injuries that he's been dealing with, because
Speaker 1: we know many of these guys still play through injuries. Um,
Speaker 1: but Jalen, I mean, if he goes back into that
Speaker 1: whole thing where he's all over the defense and not
Speaker 1: really knowing all, here comes the running back and he
Speaker 1: got away and the running game of the opponent. They
Speaker 1: rushed who knows how many yards, So at that point
Speaker 1: if any of these guys do any show me any
Speaker 1: kind of spark, I'm saying, hey, take a break, go
Speaker 1: sit down over there, take a water break, and let's
Speaker 1: put these guys in and let's see how they do.
Speaker 1: I do I well, well, Freakin said age, because I
Speaker 1: hope that they've got the guts to sit Jalen and
Speaker 1: or Layton. If Parsons and or Cox is that much better,
Speaker 1: Like if Parsons is what we think he can be,
Speaker 1: and he's just he can cover sideline to sideline in
Speaker 1: the blink of an eye and get after the you know,
Speaker 1: get downfield and sat like, if he can do everything
Speaker 1: we think he can, he should be on the field
Speaker 1: the most of any of the three. I will say
Speaker 1: this that this is something that I think, at least
Speaker 1: I had the impression when Jason Garrett was here he
Speaker 1: was partial two vets, Like I think he got his
Speaker 1: vets and he loved his vets and he didn't want
Speaker 1: to get rid of he didn't want part ways with
Speaker 1: the vets. I don't know if I know yet what
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy is. I do think he took way too long,
Speaker 1: and maybe it wasn't his call, but I think as
Speaker 1: a team. They took way too long last year with
Speaker 1: some of those vets they brought in to make the
Speaker 1: decision to either sit them down or get rid of
Speaker 1: them because they weren't playing well. It was clear they
Speaker 1: weren't playing well, and they step kept putting them out there.
Speaker 1: Maybe they feel like they didn't have a lot of
Speaker 1: other options. I don't know, But I don't know if
Speaker 1: that was because McCarthy was making that decision and he
Speaker 1: was tied to his vets and he trusted vets more
Speaker 1: than he would a young guy, or he's a situation
Speaker 1: where he didn't think he had a lot of options.
Speaker 1: I think this will be an interesting off season in
Speaker 1: summer for us to figure out how he feels about veterans,
Speaker 1: because you know, we did see during training camp they
Speaker 1: did you know, they let his boy go, and so
Speaker 1: that that was his guy from Green Bay that they
Speaker 1: let walk right out of the door, and so I
Speaker 1: look at it. I want to find out a little
Speaker 1: bit more about how he feels about vets, because I
Speaker 1: think we pretty much know what Jason felt. I want
Speaker 1: to see how McCarthy feels about veterans. All those guys,
Speaker 1: all of the Vets were guys that Jason Garrett brought in.
Speaker 1: Other like, these two draft classes are the only ones
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy was responsible for bringing here. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: that's a good point. All right, Let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: move on to the next position. We're not gonna get
Speaker 1: through much of this, so we we'll save some of
Speaker 1: this for next week. But let's talk about the cornerback position.
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph selected in the second round out of Kentucky.
Speaker 1: You've got Treyvon Diggs, Jordan Lewis, Anthony Brown, Reggie Robinson,
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph, and Nahan right, obviously being the two drafted players.
Speaker 1: Who do you think should be the players that should
Speaker 1: be really worried at this point going into training camp.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I guess, you know, Reggie
Speaker 1: Robinson to make the team. You know, Anthony Brown, I
Speaker 1: mean better, he better play well. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: they could probably part ways with that contract if they
Speaker 1: wanted to. Um, you know, I mean you could throw
Speaker 1: him in that mix. Um, let's not forget And is
Speaker 1: Kennedy in there? He is? Technically, I haven't he's on
Speaker 1: the list. I've been meaning to ask if he's definitely
Speaker 1: coming back. I mean his contract told so he's still here.
Speaker 1: But I mean I haven't never met the guy, never
Speaker 1: talked to him. I almost forgot about him. I saw
Speaker 1: his name, forget about it. And then then when you
Speaker 1: just said, I was like, oh, they did bring him
Speaker 1: last year, and they had a role in my depresional team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they did have a role in my good wins, which is,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the best betchal teams player they've had
Speaker 1: in a long time. Honestly, he's the best sense and
Speaker 1: maybe even be better than Jeff he special teams, I agree,
Speaker 1: which he makes plays is the point. Yeah, obviously Heath's
Speaker 1: name is being mentioned. He's a guy that probably has
Speaker 1: been cut or by the Raiders. I don't think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have interested in that right now. What we'll need
Speaker 1: to go backwards, like keep going forward, Just keep moving forward.
Speaker 1: Three guys only three guys picked off my homes last year.
Speaker 1: I don't care. Keep moving forward, like I know, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm moving forward. But I'm just saying, if he's a
Speaker 1: backup safety that can play special teams like he should,
Speaker 1: that's what he should have been all along, not a starter.
Speaker 1: He should have been a backup player to play special teams.
Speaker 1: That's what he's really good at. That's what he But guys,
Speaker 1: you know, guys want to make millions, I guess, or
Speaker 1: the guy that want to be a starter. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you see it in the NBA too, you
Speaker 1: see guys that are starters. But really, when they get
Speaker 1: back to that role player, that's what they're better suited for.
Speaker 1: And that's what I think Jeffy's better to do. But
Speaker 1: I don't believe the Cowboys are going to go that route,
Speaker 1: all right, Dave, I mean, Reggie Robinson and Maurice Kennedy's
Speaker 1: probably the best answer. I do specifically wonder about Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown because I mean, we know he can play inside
Speaker 1: and outside, but Jordan's really mainly only ever been a nickelback.
Speaker 1: And it's hard to imagine dan Quinn drafted a bunch
Speaker 1: of you know, they drafted Grout if you're familiar with
Speaker 1: Marvel and so it's hard to imagine. It's hard to
Speaker 1: imagine they're going to put a five ten corner on
Speaker 1: the boundary if dan Quinn likes all these super big,
Speaker 1: super long corners. So Anthony Brown stands out to me
Speaker 1: as a guy like, you know, maybe he loses a
Speaker 1: starting job if Kelvin joseph Is lives up to the hype.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I just looked it up,
Speaker 1: like you could, you could cut or trade Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: or Jordan Lewis and get away with it. But I
Speaker 1: think they're probably more valuable to you on the team
Speaker 1: than off because, like you know, George, I think Jordan
Speaker 1: Jordan would hit you for like here, I got it
Speaker 1: right here. Jordan would hit you for four million, and
Speaker 1: you don't save any money by doing it. Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: would hit you for five million and you save one million.
Speaker 1: So like, if you're just desperate to get them off
Speaker 1: your team, you could, but I think you'd rather just
Speaker 1: have healthy cornerbacks. So like the money, I mean, what
Speaker 1: we're hearing from Steven is like they want to do
Speaker 1: this because they get these deals. Wouldn't save you money
Speaker 1: the way that like Antoine Woods, It's like, if you're
Speaker 1: desperate to not have him here, you could do that,
Speaker 1: but I don't see that. So I think that you're
Speaker 1: just having four or five quality cornerbacks is a good
Speaker 1: problem to have, and that yeah, Reggie Robinson and Maurice
Speaker 1: Kennedy are probably maybe looking over at Dson without even
Speaker 1: getting a shot last year on the field of cruel
Speaker 1: It's a cold world out here, man on the street,
Speaker 1: cold world, all right, Amber, Like, I don't care more
Speaker 1: than all of us combined. I mean, I know, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, you know, he didn't get a chance to
Speaker 1: get in the game, so he does have Yeah, him
Speaker 1: might be a safety honestly, And I do think, and
Speaker 1: I had this written down here, does is he a
Speaker 1: guy that maybe they's because I and I don't want
Speaker 1: to go too far into that conversation, but I think
Speaker 1: if you look at anything that the Cowboys didn't really
Speaker 1: address much in free agency or the draft, it's safety.
Speaker 1: There's still possibly some opportunity there for some player who
Speaker 1: could step up into that world. Go ahead, Amber, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to agree with what they said. When he
Speaker 1: comes to Anthony Brown though, even though he's a guy
Speaker 1: that last year, you know, we've been talking about him
Speaker 1: and just seeing the way he struggled on the field,
Speaker 1: it's just hard for me to imagine right now someone
Speaker 1: else kind of taking over that right now because of
Speaker 1: the amount of time. You know, there's a curve, a
Speaker 1: learning curve that needs to happen there. So just the
Speaker 1: fact that he is a veteran and has the game.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say, oh, he's gonna be the best
Speaker 1: player or the best cornerback or anything. But because of
Speaker 1: his experience, I think that's still valuable. So it's just
Speaker 1: gonna come down to Kennedy and these guys that haven't
Speaker 1: really done much, and unfortunately you have to say bye
Speaker 1: to some of them. All Right, that's a rap. We're
Speaker 1: going to be back next week and we'll get into
Speaker 1: some of these other positions. We have more we got
Speaker 1: to go through. We'll talk about defensive tackle, defensive end,
Speaker 1: offensive line. There's more to get to there, maybe wide receiver,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about some positions maybe like the safety
Speaker 1: position that the Cowboys have not addressed enough in free
Speaker 1: agency or the draft, and what the Cowboys should do there.
Speaker 1: We'll do all that when we come back next week.
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