1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA f Daily with 2 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: have you been following all of this Supreme Court news? 4 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking about the cases that they're 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: ruling on. I'm talking about like the bribery, the scandals, 6 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: the fact that you have to report an account for 7 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: more on your fucking taxes, right, that a city council 8 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: member or comptroller right has to report more with regard 9 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: to any gift, whether it be a fucking you know, 10 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: thirteen dollars salad from Sweet Green, right, or you know 11 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: a dress that Representative Alexandriro Cassio Cortes war to the 12 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: met Gala needs to be investigated. But fucking justice Alito 13 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: is taken private jets and fishing expeditions that run into 14 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: the hundreds of thousands of dollars and oops, because it 15 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: was transportation, I don't have to fucking report it like 16 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: the people. We have given goddamn so much power and 17 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: no fucking oversight to the people that create the laws 18 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: of this country. The only thing, folks, that separates us, right, 19 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: that separates America, that has always made America. A touch 20 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: point for all of our fucking faults, and there are 21 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: millions of them, has been our Supreme Court, right, our 22 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: other branches of government, right the executive brand, checks and 23 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: balances and all of these things. And what the fuck 24 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: we are realizing now is that our republic, our idea 25 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: of democracy is just that it is an idea. Because 26 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court has been bought and sold for decades. 27 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: They might as well hang up a sign take down 28 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: from in front of the Supreme Court equity under the law, 29 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: and just put up a fucking for sale sign and 30 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: say that billionaires need only apply. Because if you read 31 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: the pro publica expose, right, my god, I want to 32 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: highlight some things that just stood the fuck out. So 33 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: Samuel Alito, right, has been taken luxury trips since around 34 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. This is when this story starts, right, 35 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: and I just it is almost absurd, But let me 36 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: just read you the opening. In early July two thousand 37 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: and eight, Samuel Alito stood on a riverbank in a 38 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: remote corner of Alaska. The Supreme Court justice was on 39 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: a vacation at a luxury fishing lodge that charged more 40 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: than get this, friends, one thousand dollars a day, okay, 41 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: probably couldn't find it on Expedia, And after catching a 42 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: king salmon nearly the size of his leg Alito posed 43 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: for a picture. To his left, a man stood beaming 44 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: Paul Singer, a hedge fund billionaire who has repeatedly asked 45 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court to rule in his favor in high 46 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: stakes business disputes. Singer was more than a fellow Engler. 47 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: He flew Aledo to Alaska on a private jet. If 48 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: the Justice charted the plane himself, the cost would have 49 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: exceeded one hundred thousand dollars one one way. In the 50 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: years that followed, Singer's hedge fund came before the Court 51 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: at least folks not once, not twice, not three times, 52 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: but ten times, in cases where his role was often 53 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: covered by the legal press in mainstream media. In twenty fourteen, 54 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: the Court agreed to resolve a key issue in a 55 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: decade long battle between Singer's hedge fund and the Nation 56 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: of Argentina. Alito did not recuse himself from the case 57 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: and voted with the seven to one majority in Singer's favor. 58 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: The hedge fund was ultimately paid two point four billion 59 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: dollars Alito did not report the two thousand and eight 60 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: fishing trip on his annual financial disclosures. By failing to 61 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: disclose the private jet flight Singer provided, Alito appears to 62 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: have violated a federal law that requires justices to disclose 63 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: most gifts. According to ethics law experts, Here's the thing, though, folks, 64 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: is that what you learn further in this piece, and 65 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: what we have come to understand is this quote. Justices 66 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: are almost entirely left to police themselves on ethical issues, 67 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: with few restrictions on what gifts they can accept. When 68 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: a potential conflict arises. The sole arbiter of whether a 69 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: justice should step away from a case is the justice 70 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: him or herself. So, just to be clear, right, when 71 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: they you know, get gifts from billionaires, luxury vacations, trips 72 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: on private jets, homes purchased for them, private school education 73 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: paid for, it is up to them to decide whether 74 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: or not they're gonna disclose. And they could, with their 75 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: you know, team of clerks, decide, well, you know, this 76 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: kind of falls under transportation, or it falls under this 77 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: that or the other thing. And oh, is it weird 78 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: that mister Singer is gonna have business before the court, 79 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: not once, not twice, but ten times. No, I don't 80 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: need to recuse myself. I feel like I can be partial. Well, 81 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: how can you be impartial? And I said partial? But 82 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: how can you be impartial when the person that has 83 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: business before the court is providing you with a luxury 84 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: vacation lifestyle. But there's It's not as if this could 85 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: be kicked up right to some three court panel or 86 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: some other judges or anyone else for a review. Because 87 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: the way that we have set up our fucking government 88 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: is that, oh, these people that are in black robes 89 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: that we don't elect right are above reproach. They make 90 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: the rules for the rest of us, but don't have 91 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: to fucking follow them. And this is the same thing 92 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: that we learned over the four years of Donald Trump 93 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: and the years following. The laws right that we thought 94 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: were in place, the guard rails that were in place 95 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: to protect our democracy, they weren't real laws. 96 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 2: They were norms, norms that can be bent and broken. 97 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: And once they are and new norms are created, guess 98 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: what we forget about the old way of doing things, 99 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: And we just continue to press forward, moving further and 100 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: further away from our founding principles, from what it actually 101 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: means to be a part of democracy, for what it 102 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: actually means to have morals and values, and we move 103 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: further and further away to what is more self serving 104 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: than actually serves the collective. 105 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: That is where our justices are. And so this piece 106 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: goes on and let me tell you, friends, it is 107 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: a doozy, right And it's such a doozy that Samuel 108 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: Alito found himself writing an op ed in the Wall 109 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: Street Journal that came out the day before to combat 110 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: what was going to be coming out in Pro Publica. 111 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: That's how fucking damning this is. He needed to write 112 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: an op ed that told you, oh, don't pay attention 113 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: to the shiny bright light over here, pay attention to 114 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: the lion ass words that are coming out of my 115 00:08:53,679 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: fucking mouth. Uugh. You know, it is really sad and 116 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: sick where we find ourselves right now. Sick, meaning like 117 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: I just am sick to my stomach because everything that 118 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: I believed about this country, about you know, making it better, 119 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: about what separated us from the rest of the world, 120 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: is just all a lie. You know. I feel like 121 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: a child that has finally been told that Santa Claus 122 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: doesn't exist. The tooth fairy doesn't exist, the Easter Bunny 123 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: doesn't exist. And basically all of your childhood fantasies were 124 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: just lies that your parents created in order to make 125 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: things more fun for you. And that's kind of where 126 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: we are with our democracy. It was kind of stories 127 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: and songs, rite and little snippets that we would take 128 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: from history that made us feel pride and made us feel, 129 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, like we were a part of something bigger 130 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: than ourselves. But it was all cherry picked, and it 131 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: was all a part of a larger lie to uphold 132 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: capitalism and the wealth of the one percent on the 133 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: backs of everybody else. That justice is an illusion, democracy 134 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: is an illusion, and that the people that are in 135 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: charge of making the rules are literally flying right miles 136 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: above us all. It's a devastating place to be, which 137 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: is perfect for the conversation that is coming up next 138 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: on WOKF. I listened to Prentice Hemphill, who was one 139 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: of the featured speakers on Brene Brown's series Atlas of 140 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: the Heart, which was a companion to Brene's book at 141 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: Last of the Heart, and Prentice hemp Hill has an 142 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: amazing perspective and story on how we process right like 143 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: how we process the world around us, how we deal 144 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: with and understand our role inside of ourselves, but as 145 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: part of a greater community. Prentice is a therapist, a 146 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: somatics teacher, and a facilitator, a political organizer and more. 147 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: And they are the founder of the Embodiment Institute. So 148 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: coming up next my conversation with Prentice Hemphill, Folks, I 149 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: am very excited to welcome to wok F Daily for 150 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: the first time, hopefully not the last, Prentice Hemphill, who 151 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: is the founder and director of the Embodiment Institute and 152 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: host of the acclaimed podcast Finding Our Joy. Prentice. On 153 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: your website it says writer, photographer of emotions, and an 154 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: embodiment facilitator. I must start off with my first question, 155 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: which is how do you explain photographer of emotions? Because 156 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: I thought it was brilliant. 157 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 3: Thank you for that question, and thank you so much 158 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 3: for having me. A cartographer of emotions really is about 159 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 3: how I experience the world. Since I was a little kid, 160 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 3: I really looked at the world almost through a kind 161 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 3: of like a watercolor of emotions, understanding people's emotions, how 162 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 3: other people's emotions interacted with each other, what that made possible, 163 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 3: what that made impossible. So it's really about how I 164 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,599 Speaker 3: see the world and how that's led me through my 165 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 3: therapeutic work, through my somatic work, to really understanding the 166 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,359 Speaker 3: ways that emotions motivate us, the ways that they recreate 167 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 3: or create our reality, and the way are kind of 168 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 3: emotional for shorthand literacy actually opens up the possibility of 169 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 3: new futures for all of us. 170 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: Amazing you know you speak to and the title of 171 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: your organization is the Embodiment Institute. On this show, I 172 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: talk a lot about the vacillation that I have between 173 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: rage and rest right as somebody that is steeped in politics, 174 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: as a queer Black woman, child of immigrants that deeply 175 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: had faith and believes in democracy, Watching it crumble can 176 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: take an emotional, physical, and spiritual toll. So I wanted 177 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: to talk to you about what is the difference between, 178 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: let's say, understanding holistically embodiment work and other forms of 179 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: therapeutic work. 180 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 3: The main difference is sort of not allowing ourselves to 181 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 3: become disembodied heads, so to speak, and understanding that there's 182 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 3: a reason why we prioritize our thinking often over our 183 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: feeling our emotions, that there's a history actually to what 184 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 3: people call the mind body split, and what it has 185 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 3: allowed in our own bodies and our economic systems, and 186 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 3: what it allows us to do in terms of taking 187 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 3: away our empathy for each other, empathy for other living beings, 188 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 3: or empathy for the land. That there was a kind 189 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 3: of intentional split saying what you think matters more than 190 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 3: what you feel, and our work is really about saying, 191 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 3: we don't believe that that's true. In fact, we think 192 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 3: thinking itself is an embodied experience, and that our emotions 193 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 3: and our feelings and our sensations offer us a rich 194 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 3: a wealth of information about how we're doing in the world, 195 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 3: what we care about in the world. They motivate us, 196 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 3: they pull us towards what we are called to do. 197 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 3: That there's a world world, a feeling that we often 198 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 3: divorce ourselves from that actually indicates to us how we 199 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: would like to live and relate to one another. But 200 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 3: more and more and increasingly we're pulling away from the 201 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 3: intimacy I think of the feeling world, and hopefully our 202 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 3: work is an interruption to that. 203 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: You know, what's funny is that if we are we're 204 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: living at a time, I think, and for me, particularly 205 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: in our politics, where you have one political party that 206 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: calls themselves the fuck your feelings crowd, right like, they 207 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: don't actually care about cruelty, they don't care about emotional violence, 208 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: they don't care about actual physical violence. And you know, 209 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: and we're often told, you know, that feelings need to 210 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: depart from how we want to progress professionally. So I 211 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: want to take it from two spaces, which is, how 212 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: can you incorporate feelings in your day to day in 213 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: a way that does not be overwhelming in a time 214 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: that is so overwhelming? Right Like, there are so many 215 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: people that are myself included. I've been in therapy for 216 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: five years. It has helped me in so many ways, grow, stretch, 217 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: and honestly be able to navigate these really tumultuous times 218 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: because I feel like I have more tools. But there 219 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: are people that feel like they need to just shut 220 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: off their feelings so as not to be overwhelmed by them. 221 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 3: What do you say to that, Well, on, I just 222 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: want to say, it's not your fault that you're overwhelmed. 223 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 3: That's kind of the shape of the moment. The intensity 224 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 3: of our moment is overwhelming, and so I just want 225 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 3: to normalize I guess that experience of overwhelm. But I 226 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 3: also want to say that our emotions are always deeply 227 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 3: political for all the reasons I stated before. They kind 228 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 3: of create the world, they motivate us, and they can 229 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 3: be manipulated in a way to make us reactive or 230 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 3: to kind of scramble for short term solutions when there 231 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 3: might be a deeper solution that our society actually needs 232 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 3: and craves. The other thing I want to say is 233 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 3: that feeling is not just an individual pursuit necessarily, and 234 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 3: I think that's some of where we get stuck. That 235 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 3: we're like, I actually can't I don't know how to 236 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 3: feel the weight of all of this history of subjugation. 237 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 3: I don't know how to feel that weight. And that's 238 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 3: really where our cultures should be responsive to. 239 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: The needs of our people. 240 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 3: That if there is grief for us to feel, which 241 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 3: I believe there is, and tremendous waves of grief for 242 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 3: us to feel, it's important for us to, as part 243 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 3: of our rituals, as part of our coming together, have 244 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 3: spaces where we can feel all of that together. One 245 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 3: of the things I often teach is that some things 246 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 3: feel too big to be felt in one body, because 247 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 3: they are they require the spaciousness of multiple bodies for 248 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 3: us to actually move through the big feeling. So I 249 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 3: think some of it is that we have to begin 250 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 3: to create inside of our culture the rituals, the practices, 251 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 3: the gatherings that we need to feel what it is 252 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 3: that we need to feel, because it can be overwhelming 253 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 3: to try to feel that on our own. 254 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: What are some of those rituals look like? From my 255 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: audience in particular, these are folks who listen to OKAF 256 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: that are particularly tapped in that find that are also 257 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: queer themselves and find the consistent headlines and the attacks 258 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: particularly on trans people to be so daunting right that 259 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: they feel like they need to be tapped in right 260 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: to show that they care. But then that caring is 261 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: resulting in a depletion of their energy and their self 262 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: and their hopefulness. So what are some of those rituals 263 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: that you know that you have either worked your own 264 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: clients through or folks through that can can kind of 265 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: aid in a balancing, a re energizing a hopefulness. 266 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 3: One thing I want to say is I kind of 267 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 3: lead into what the rituals are, is that we have 268 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 3: to understand that this time is one where we are 269 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 3: being pushed towards a reactivity. And if you can just 270 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 3: see that as a frame that I'm coming from as 271 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 3: a somatic practitioner, as an embodiment teacher, and this is 272 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 3: a time of either reactivity or centered of centered presence, 273 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 3: and the kinds of solutions no matter what side of 274 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 3: any conversation you're on, that our produce set of reactivity 275 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 3: are to me never as potent as the solutions or 276 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 3: actions we take from center. And center is a practice. 277 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 3: It's both a concept inside of the sematic methodology that 278 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 3: I teach and use, but it's also it's a concept 279 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: and it's a practice of settling our systems to come 280 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 3: back into presence because oftentimes our bodies are care carrying 281 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 3: the stories of where we've been, of where our ancestors 282 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 3: have been, but they're also carrying the reactions that have 283 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: been unprocessed in our bodies. So we are often carrying 284 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 3: things from other moments in our lives, through our tissues 285 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 3: and through our behaviors with each other that then limit 286 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 3: what we're able to do in this moment and how 287 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 3: we're able to connect. So any kind of centering practice 288 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,239 Speaker 3: or grounding practice that actually allows your nervous system to 289 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 3: connect into life, the earth, that planet, each other, some 290 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 3: sort of practice that allows you to breathe and begin 291 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 3: to step into presence. But there's also as I was 292 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 3: referencing earlier practices around grief, and there's a lot of 293 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 3: different ways. I mean, traditionally, Black people and all peoples 294 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 3: have had grief rituals, and we also, I think, can 295 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 3: be empowered to create the kind of grief rituals that 296 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 3: we need. And my work and in my organization, a 297 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 3: lot of our work is about creating rituals, gatherings coming together. 298 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 3: It may feel awkward at first to create a ritual 299 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 3: for yourself, but every ritual started off awkward until it 300 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 3: became embodied. And that's part of what we have to 301 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 3: do in this moment is create what we need and 302 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 3: move through the awkwardness of it. So I think anything 303 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 3: that's centering, anything that starts to help you co regulate 304 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 3: with it with the world around you and each other, 305 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 3: and anything that you create out of what you really 306 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 3: need in this moment is what this time is calling for. 307 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: I really appreciate that so much, because you know it's funny. 308 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: I was just like, is it my age or is 309 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: it the moment or a combination of the two that 310 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: I find myself so much more ritualistic. I also think 311 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: that it's a product of for me, of quarantine and 312 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: how I experienced the shifts in my spiritual and emotional 313 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: practices during COVID and how that shaped me. My mother, 314 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: as people who listen to the show know it, owns 315 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: a yoga studio as a yoga teacher, and she always 316 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: says to her students, there are issues in your tissues 317 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: that you need to yeah, that you need to be 318 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: stretching out. So when you said that, I said, she's right, 319 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: there is right, She's so right. 320 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 3: That's a beautiful way of saying that. That's a beautiful 321 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 3: way of saying it absolutely true. 322 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I you know, I do I find that, 323 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny that you said to work through 324 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: the awkwardness, because I think that there is a part 325 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: of ritual that indigenous folks, black folks, people of color 326 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: have always had that white supremacy has disconnected us from 327 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: Do you find that there are more folks, particularly bipoc 328 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: folks and queer folks that are working back towards that 329 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: disconnection that was purposefully created as a way as a 330 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: form of resists almost absolutely. 331 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 3: I mean, it's a sankofa moment in that way, we 332 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 3: have to kind of go back to go forward. But 333 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 3: you know, one of the stories that I often share 334 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 3: one of my elders I lived for a while in Hawaii, 335 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 3: and she was she is a Hawaiian activist elder who 336 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 3: was really a part of the sovereignty movement and the 337 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 3: renaissance of Hawaiian culture there anti Poa Nanni Burgess. And 338 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 3: one of the things that she told me once was 339 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 3: that it was I think she was in her twenties 340 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 3: and this resurgence of culture started to come forward, and 341 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 3: she felt really inadequate. She hadn't been taught the songs 342 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 3: or the stories or the dance. And one of her 343 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 3: elders said to her, don't you have the same hands 344 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 3: as your ancestors. Don't you have the same feet? Aren't 345 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 3: you standing in the same place that they were? So 346 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 3: you create the way that they did. 347 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: So it's both. 348 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 3: What she was teaching me was that it's both a 349 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 3: practice of yes, uncovering what's been lost, because there's already technology, 350 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 3: there's already wisdom and what we've done. And some of 351 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 3: it is reconnecting the practice to its purpose, because I think, 352 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 3: especially for black people and queer people, our culture has 353 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 3: been so commodified that the practice has actually been misdirected. 354 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 3: It doesn't serve us, It doesn't express what it is 355 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,959 Speaker 3: that we needed. It serves money and the moneyed. And 356 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 3: so some of it is reconnecting what we already know 357 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 3: and our technology, what we already know how to do, 358 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 3: listening closely to what we create, and connecting it to 359 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 3: its purpose and its release for our community. I think 360 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 3: that's one thing. And the other thing that she was 361 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 3: teaching me is that we never stop creating. We don't 362 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 3: only look back, we go forward. So we always have 363 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 3: to create, be creative in terms of our culture and 364 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 3: developing what it is that we need now with information 365 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 3: and technology and listening to the ground, listening to the past. 366 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 3: But we always have to create. And so that was 367 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 3: the message that I really took from her teaching me 368 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 3: and her eldership of me was that sankofa move go back, 369 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 3: but you know, you always have to go forward too. 370 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 3: You don't just go back and stay there, you move forward, you. 371 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: Know, It's funny. I have a friend that is a 372 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: screenwriter and he's workshopping something right now, and he's working. 373 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: He's work shopping something with regard to how do we 374 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 1: how can we, by healing in our present reimagine our past? 375 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: And I actually want to put that question to you 376 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: that there is so much that we, you know, try 377 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: again to swiftly move through, right, because the holding of 378 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: past trauma, past pain can limit or hinder our ability 379 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: to realign and move forward. And so how do you 380 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: think about that idea of how we are healing in 381 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: our present can help us not rewrite, but reimagine how 382 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: we experience our past. 383 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a really juicy question. So I'm gonna 384 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 3: what I want to say about that is that trauma 385 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 3: in a lot of ways is a time disruption. And 386 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 3: I can kind of explain that here, but it really 387 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 3: takes on. I want people to kind of sit with 388 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 3: that even after this is over. The amplications for that, 389 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 3: but it means at a moment in time wasn't able 390 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 3: to work through the body, the individual body or the 391 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 3: collective body, and remnants of that reaction that was elicited 392 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 3: get stuck in our systems over time, almost they start 393 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 3: to run us, or run our lives, or shape who 394 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 3: we think we are, shape our relationships to each other. 395 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 3: So that's when we talk about trauma. It's the residue 396 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 3: of the past living in the present. So when I say, 397 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 3: from a somatic perspective, you know, you're you might have 398 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 3: your chest might be in nineteen ninety five, and you're 399 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 3: you know, you might have a right leg that's in 400 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 3: two thousand and three, it's still responding to that time. 401 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 3: So oftentimes, when I think about what healing is to me, 402 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 3: most of it is finding a way into this moment, 403 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 3: finding a way into this time with all that has happened, 404 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 3: with all the learnings and understandings of what has happened, 405 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 3: finding a way into this time. And I think there's 406 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 3: a way. And you can think about it either as 407 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 3: a kind of cognitive process or spiritual process, but I 408 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 3: think there is a way. On some level. When we 409 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 3: do that work, we are changing either our relationship to 410 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 3: the past or the past itself. That it has some 411 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 3: kind of impact on what has happened. It changes what 412 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 3: it is to us. It doesn't mean that the things 413 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 3: haven't happened, But I do think that our healing our 414 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 3: incorporation that are holding it, are grieving it, are feeling 415 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 3: it actually changes the chemical makeup of at least the 416 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 3: memory of the past, or at least the tissues, and 417 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 3: then certainly what we then pass on. So trauma has 418 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 3: something to say about time. It's moving across time always, 419 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 3: so to me, it's a big incentive, you know, when 420 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 3: people are like I don't want to hear I don't 421 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 3: want to feel those big things. It not only changes 422 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 3: the present, it changes the past, and it certainly changes 423 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 3: the future. 424 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: Wow, Yes, that will be digesting that one that works? 425 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,959 Speaker 1: Who are will be digesting that one? With the with 426 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: the just a couple of minutes that I have left 427 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: with you, I want to focus particularly on you know, 428 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: how what does pride mean to you in this moment, 429 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: in this season and time. 430 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 3: I really appreciate that question. You know. One of the 431 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 3: things I often reflect on, especially at this time of year, 432 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 3: is thinking about queerness in my own queerness, and queerness 433 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 3: to me is often a kind of orientation to living, 434 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 3: looking in between, not a contrariness that's not how I 435 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 3: experienced my queerness, but a looking around what's been given 436 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 3: and seeing what else there is and when I think 437 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 3: about queer people in this time and always, I think 438 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 3: it's really important that we understand what it is we 439 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 3: are uniquely positioned to do and be the kind of 440 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 3: liberators we are uniquely positioned to be. And that there's 441 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 3: for me in pride always kind of rejection of the 442 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 3: parts of it that are easily kind of commodified or 443 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 3: you know, fit into easy boxes. I think that is 444 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 3: the beauty of our community, is that we can be 445 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 3: an invitation to a more authentic feeling, to looking around 446 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,959 Speaker 3: what's been given and saying, I think there's more to life. 447 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 3: I think there's more to feel. I think there's I 448 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 3: think there's aspects of our existence that we don't know. 449 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 3: And so for me, pride is the opportunity to really 450 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 3: reflect on I think the real power and brilliance of 451 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 3: queerness and the experience of queerness in the world. And 452 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 3: I think that's actually even though there's so much attach 453 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 3: that wants us to hide, I think the imperative is 454 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,479 Speaker 3: actually to step into what is actually our power. 455 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. I have 456 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: long since let go of the corporatization right, and now 457 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: the pullback of the corporatization of pride and really are 458 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: looking at it as utilizing joy as resistance, really reflecting 459 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: on how far we have come and how far still 460 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: there is to go, and what does it mean to 461 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: really build community and continue to create protective spaces because 462 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: they are needed. The goal was never assimilation, It was 463 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, it was acceptance and the ability to live free. 464 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: Frankis Hemphill, thank you so so very much for your time, 465 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: for your insight, for your intellect. Please tell people where 466 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: they can find you and your work and your pod. 467 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much. Danielle. Yes, I have a 468 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 3: podcast called Finding Our Way. You can find it anywhere 469 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 3: you find every podcast. It is on hiatus right now 470 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 3: because I just finished up a book that will come 471 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 3: out next year at this time on Random House will 472 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 3: be releasing a book and you can find me on Instagram. Yes, 473 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 3: thank you, on instat gram at Prentice Hemphill. You can 474 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 3: also check out Prenticeimphil dot com or our work at 475 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 3: the Embodiment Institute at the Embodiment Institute dot com. 476 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: Wonderful. Thank you so much for making the time for WOKF. 477 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: Deeply appreciate you. 478 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 3: Of course, thank you so much. 479 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: That is it for me today. Dear friends on woke 480 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: f AS always power to the people and to all 481 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: the people power, Get woke and stay woke as fup.