Speaker 1: He's Talking Cowboys, screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World
Speaker 1: head hours at the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones and Everson Walls on Talking
Speaker 1: Cowboys on a Friday here at the Star in Frisco,
Speaker 1: as we get you set for Cowboys and Patriots three
Speaker 1: twenty five kickoff Texas time on Sunday. And we've got
Speaker 1: so much to get to as news is broken over
Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours that affects what happens on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's just completed his press conference. The team is
Speaker 1: out on the practice field. The special teams guys are
Speaker 1: out on the practice field. The rest of the team
Speaker 1: is inside on the practice field at Ford Center, as
Speaker 1: is their custom. As it's gotten a bit chilly and
Speaker 1: brisk out there, and so it's a good test for
Speaker 1: Brett Maher as well as lp let us are and
Speaker 1: Chris Jones out on the outdoor field here because the
Speaker 1: elements on Sunday will not be ideal. Have you seen
Speaker 1: the weather forecast making I think they're gonna be worse
Speaker 1: than ideal. Yes, As a matter of fact, Sunday high
Speaker 1: of forty four a low of thirty. And so since
Speaker 1: the game starts at four twenty five Eastern time, that's nighttime,
Speaker 1: that's the that's the we're getting the worst of it
Speaker 1: that far east, that's nighttime. By second half, it's going
Speaker 1: to be ugly winds ten to twenty miles an hour.
Speaker 1: And the report is on Sunday, the amount of rain
Speaker 1: that starts at one hundred percent in the day and
Speaker 1: seventy percent at night could reach an inch. Oh wow, Okay.
Speaker 1: So you said it's going to be forty four degrees
Speaker 1: with the window ten to high. Okay, and I guarantee
Speaker 1: you when the sun goes down it's closer to Okay. Well,
Speaker 1: right now here in Frisco, Texas, it's forty five degrees
Speaker 1: and there's more wind out there than what they're going
Speaker 1: to face on Sunday. So it's perfect for the perfect.
Speaker 1: So the term that was a subjective term. Subjective. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said that they were ideals. It was less than
Speaker 1: the Patris might life these right, Yeah, exactly, they might. Yeah,
Speaker 1: relative term. I guess someone said that normally when it's
Speaker 1: a bad weather and they're playing at home, they practice outdoors,
Speaker 1: get used to it. Yeah, that's what we're doing, exactly right.
Speaker 1: We're comparing down right now. That's exactly right. So they
Speaker 1: are going to need Zeke Elliott after all in this game.
Speaker 1: The narrative that they're a passing offense. Only now I
Speaker 1: think you might need your star running back in this game. Yea.
Speaker 1: And you might need more than forty four yards in
Speaker 1: this game rushing. Yes, h yes, we'll tell Jason not
Speaker 1: to you know too, go ahead and put them on
Speaker 1: the Boston OK. Yeah, back, Because all I know is
Speaker 1: when Baltimore beat the Patriots, mark Ingram ran for one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen yards. Lamar Jackson ran for sixty one
Speaker 1: yards and two touchdowns. They ran for the three touchdowns
Speaker 1: of the four I think they've given up rushing, and
Speaker 1: then they added another twenty seven and seven, So to me,
Speaker 1: that's almost that's like around two hundred yards rushing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that comes from Lamar Jackson sixty one Yeah. No, No,
Speaker 1: just the fact that one that opens it up for Ingram. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's how that went. I saw that game.
Speaker 1: I thought Belichick got completely out coach. No, that doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: He was saving it for the post shot defensively especially.
Speaker 1: You could just see the Patriots they were like, what
Speaker 1: what just happened? Is comics going through here? One number
Speaker 1: eight on his jersey, and now Ingram is you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's he's kind of enjoying himself. Yeah. Well he's
Speaker 1: a little quick. He's quick. He's quick, yeah, all right?
Speaker 1: He uh and you know when he puts that Ravens
Speaker 1: jersey and he actually looks slower you know with the Saints, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, I don't know that the color,
Speaker 1: the culture, what I mean, you think Ravens, you think
Speaker 1: you know, black cleats, Yeah, that'll do it. He looked
Speaker 1: like being in malone to somebody coming through that. So
Speaker 1: it was two hundred and ten yards by the Ravens
Speaker 1: rushing in that game. Lamar Jackson actually had more carries
Speaker 1: than mark Ingram in that game sixteen to fifteen. You're right.
Speaker 1: I mean, they just kept pounding away with Jackson and
Speaker 1: they didn't really have an answer for it. Now, they
Speaker 1: made some plays offensively themselves New England, but that's the
Speaker 1: you know, Dak has not been that guy. They haven't
Speaker 1: used Dak in that way. He's been more of a
Speaker 1: pocket passer and they kind of selectively use him, but
Speaker 1: that was something that worked against New England. Well, you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't say that he can't be used that way.
Speaker 1: He can't. He can't. He can't be that person. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't beat Lamar. You can't use Dack like that.
Speaker 1: That's just not what his game is. Now. He can run,
Speaker 1: but I don't think you want to make a I
Speaker 1: have a heavy dose of him. I think we're going
Speaker 1: to see a lot of it to see if if
Speaker 1: the Patriots have learned the lesson. I mean every coach
Speaker 1: does that. You know, whatever happens to you the previous week,
Speaker 1: if it was the Achilles heel, then let's the ensuing game.
Speaker 1: The coach is going to see if you've learned your lesson.
Speaker 1: So we're going to test him and see if they've
Speaker 1: learned that their lesson and see if they can stop them.
Speaker 1: That's a good point, or the back that's a good
Speaker 1: point because you know, the screen game is something that
Speaker 1: worked against Dallas against Minnesota, and you can bet it's
Speaker 1: part of the Patriots offense anyway. But I'm fairly confident
Speaker 1: see that that's what they do and see if I
Speaker 1: stop it. Hope Jerry talking about holding that jello in
Speaker 1: your hand. You know when he kind of get it
Speaker 1: balanced one way and then it flops the other way.
Speaker 1: That's what happens in this game. You'd worry about one thing,
Speaker 1: do you long time analogies? How it's hard to take
Speaker 1: care of this is it's like the apple pie on
Speaker 1: the on the movie. I mean, what's he done with
Speaker 1: the jello? Actually, my better analogy than his is it's
Speaker 1: like playing Whackable. Once you knock down one mole, the
Speaker 1: other mole comes up, right, Okay, something always sprouts, that's true,
Speaker 1: all right. The Patriots of have the number one defense,
Speaker 1: but when you look at their rush defense, they are
Speaker 1: tenth in the league and rush defense, but they have
Speaker 1: blown out so many opponents this year that you would
Speaker 1: think most of those opponents weren't rushing the football a
Speaker 1: whole lot, and especially in the second half of those games.
Speaker 1: So you look at their yards per attempt and they've
Speaker 1: given up four point six yards per attempt on the season.
Speaker 1: Who could be against the so called pre event defense
Speaker 1: or protecting the league? You're right defense, because this doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense because Buffalo ran for one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: five year yards, So they must have had a big
Speaker 1: run because they average six point one an attempt. Washington
Speaker 1: and I don't understand this one. They ran for one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty five yards and Cleveland one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty nine yards. That team in the game where they Yeah,
Speaker 1: why would they've been running? You have been going to
Speaker 1: catch up. It doesn't make sense. And then Baltimore two
Speaker 1: ten twenty twenty two attempts. Well, Mick, you said it
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago. The fact that they are
Speaker 1: so unique with their front seven and they don't use
Speaker 1: a lot of down defensive lineman play to play, maybe
Speaker 1: that makes them a little susceptible in the run game,
Speaker 1: you know, but they they're still pretty sound defensively overall.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I know that. I think the the
Speaker 1: Eagles got up ten nothing in that game and then
Speaker 1: gained about twenty two yards on the next few drives.
Speaker 1: You know, they have a way of buckling down on you.
Speaker 1: There's the ridiculous part about it. They've they'd lead the league.
Speaker 1: They've only given up third team touchdowns, but only nine
Speaker 1: on defense. They've had four returns for touchdowns against the
Speaker 1: interesting nine touchdowns. We gotta go find somebody to pick
Speaker 1: on the score. No, these were all scooping scores. One interception,
Speaker 1: three fumbles. I think Baltimore recovered a fumble in the
Speaker 1: end zone. So yeah, night. And to think about that
Speaker 1: nine touchdowns on defense in ten games, Who's who's ever
Speaker 1: heard of that? Eighty five Bears two. The Saints in
Speaker 1: their Super Bowl year had a lot of returns. I
Speaker 1: seem to recall, all right, we're just getting started here
Speaker 1: on talking Cowboys. We can get to the elephant in
Speaker 1: the room when we come back in just a moment
Speaker 1: to talking Cowboys. Talking Cowboys continues inside the SWBC Mortgage
Speaker 1: studios here at the Star in Frisco. Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and we've been joined this week by Everson
Speaker 1: Walls as well. He's gonna talk about the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: the Patriots. And now, what is that elephant in the room.
Speaker 1: That would be the linebacker or Layton vander Es. Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett had his press conference that concluded just a few
Speaker 1: minutes ago this morning. To get the official update on
Speaker 1: Layton and Rob, were you doing a story on that? Yes,
Speaker 1: should be on the website. Not gonna play this week.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly when he's gonna be back. I
Speaker 1: think Jason and Garrett said hopefully fairly soon. He made
Speaker 1: a point of saying it's not a career threatening injury,
Speaker 1: it's not even a season threatening injury. But the question
Speaker 1: is when he'll be able to get back. Cowboys have
Speaker 1: a lot of games coming up in a short amount
Speaker 1: of time and they just need that neck to calm
Speaker 1: down Mickey, And it's something that probably is related to
Speaker 1: what he had a couple of weeks ago where he
Speaker 1: missed part of the Eagles game before the bye, and
Speaker 1: then even after the buye he didn't play against New York.
Speaker 1: And you're looking at two games in five days with
Speaker 1: Buffalo coming here next Thursday, three games in twelve days
Speaker 1: with a trip to Chicago the following Thursday. And Mickey is,
Speaker 1: if you're not watching on Texas twenty, well you can't
Speaker 1: see it anyway because we're seeing Layton Banderah. Mickey just
Speaker 1: motioned the out call for all three games. Mickey is
Speaker 1: calling it come I would imagine so. And by the way,
Speaker 1: it's the wolf in the room, not the elephant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go. How about that, yek what's a week
Speaker 1: once a month, my time of the month there it is.
Speaker 1: He just took. So I mean, yeah, think about it.
Speaker 1: You're gonna play a game in four days after after Sunday,
Speaker 1: and he's not going to play that game, and then
Speaker 1: you don't get a long break, so it's only a
Speaker 1: week more. So I would think conservatively he's gonna miss
Speaker 1: three games. Rob's right, it's not career threatening. Um. They're
Speaker 1: hopeful that he could get back at some point this year,
Speaker 1: but it may take a while. They've got to let
Speaker 1: this thing calm down. Um, you know, and I haven't
Speaker 1: heard officially what it is, but when you hear neck
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be out that long, you probably got
Speaker 1: a little bit of a herniation of a disc up
Speaker 1: there or something going on when you've already had something
Speaker 1: here a few weeks ago, and it's kind of it
Speaker 1: kind of arose a little bit um after the game
Speaker 1: on Sunday. Uh and and so yeah, they've got to
Speaker 1: do whatever they can to let it calm down, because
Speaker 1: now you know the the downside. The worst thing is
Speaker 1: that you have to have fusion, you have surgery. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys have had guys do that previously. Um, off the
Speaker 1: top of my head, uh, Darryl Johnston. Uh and and
Speaker 1: they go in and basically remove the disc and they
Speaker 1: fuse the two vertebrae together. Um, and he played another year.
Speaker 1: I think Randy, I think it was post because that's why.
Speaker 1: And the scary thing about that is you can you
Speaker 1: can do it once, but if if, if you have
Speaker 1: to do it twice because you put more pressure on
Speaker 1: the disc blow or above, then you're basically stiff necked
Speaker 1: the rest of your lot to that point. No, no,
Speaker 1: And I'm saying, but it has happened when everybody goes
Speaker 1: as it career threatening and Chad Headings had this the
Speaker 1: same fusion surgery at one point and he came back
Speaker 1: and looks good. DJ, he looks real good. Right now,
Speaker 1: DJ just played one more year. Uh and he was
Speaker 1: basically after and of course it would be done. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so anyway, UM, you got to be careful with this.
Speaker 1: And um, DJ is different because he's a moose. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's Uh, it's unfortunate. It's bad timing, especially
Speaker 1: the team they're going to play and how they play
Speaker 1: their running backs and how much they throw to them.
Speaker 1: So Sean Lee, you're up. Joe Thomas, you're up. I
Speaker 1: got no problem with Sean Lee covering backs out of
Speaker 1: the backfield. He's shown that before. In fact, this week,
Speaker 1: I was sitting there wondering as many three receiver sets
Speaker 1: as the Patriots use. I was wondering, how much is
Speaker 1: Sean Lee going to even play in this game? Right?
Speaker 1: I think as a SAM linebacker was going to play
Speaker 1: a lot. Now. Although I saw they may be down
Speaker 1: Mohammed sanou Um, it looks like he hadn't practice yet
Speaker 1: this week. And I saw a story that pointed out
Speaker 1: that no one has played for the Patriots this year
Speaker 1: if they missed the first two days of practice. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's an indication or how bad
Speaker 1: it is. Good right, and so that means they for
Speaker 1: their uh, you'll have Edelman, uh Dorset got back into practice,
Speaker 1: and then their third guy will either be Jacoby Myers
Speaker 1: or nikkil Harry, who's played just one game this year.
Speaker 1: The rookie Myers has played nine games this year, and
Speaker 1: they would have to use one of those two guys.
Speaker 1: And nikil Harry is the first round draft pick. He's
Speaker 1: a really talented guy. But as as I think any
Speaker 1: of us would know, with Tom Brady, I mean to
Speaker 1: get on the same page quickly with Tom Brady. I mean,
Speaker 1: you you've got to have it upstairs, right. You have
Speaker 1: to be where you're supposed to be, exactly it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be. I get into you don't worry. It makes me,
Speaker 1: I don't know, fills me with a little bit of hope.
Speaker 1: It's tough coming out and playing with an injury in
Speaker 1: these conditions that that we're expecting up in the East Coast.
Speaker 1: It's it's uh, that might be something good for us,
Speaker 1: not in regards to Vanda Sean Lee, but their wide
Speaker 1: receiver is being a little bit hobbled or limited in
Speaker 1: some way. That's when you really put the pressure as
Speaker 1: a defensive back. You know, if I'm going up against Dorset,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to back off of him the entire game.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in his face the entire game.
Speaker 1: Put pressure on. And the weather itself, you know, inclement
Speaker 1: weather expected, it's it's going to be tough for anybody
Speaker 1: who's injured to be out there, to be close to
Speaker 1: to to and you know what door set. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a concussion thing. So sometimes when you've had a concussion,
Speaker 1: they want you to go out there and do something
Speaker 1: physical and they listen to them as limited and then
Speaker 1: see how you uh, if there's any residual effect of it.
Speaker 1: So just because he was limited doesn't mean he's cleared
Speaker 1: concussion protocol. He probably has to do something today to
Speaker 1: clear And we've seen that happen before. And I think
Speaker 1: it was last week or the week before somebody was
Speaker 1: in concussion protocol and they ended up practicing unlimited base
Speaker 1: and the next thing they know, they got ruled out.
Speaker 1: So we'll see where that one goes. But to Bill's point,
Speaker 1: you know, they get their running backs involved heavily, not
Speaker 1: just in the running game, but James White forty eight catches, Birkhead,
Speaker 1: they're getting him back in the mix a little bit.
Speaker 1: Eighteen catches already, so Michelle as well. And so that's
Speaker 1: part of the short passing games, part of the screen game.
Speaker 1: They're gonna try to get a lot of guys in ball.
Speaker 1: They probably had to because get you mentioned ever since
Speaker 1: some of the injuries they've had at wide receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what about Van DUIs, I've been watching him this year.
Speaker 1: The Jets game was kind of the thing, like the
Speaker 1: beginning of the a tough season for him. He seemed
Speaker 1: to get a little exposed trying to cover some of
Speaker 1: the running backs and playing pass. All linebackers have been
Speaker 1: really getting cut off by these offensive linemens just in
Speaker 1: their faces. Whether the oppositions running wide or whether they're
Speaker 1: coming up the middle. You've got big defensive linemen in
Speaker 1: in Smith's face. Vanderas Sean Lee, Yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen the Vanderish that I was looking forward to
Speaker 1: this year. I've seen him make way too many mistakes
Speaker 1: and it had nothing to do with his ability. I
Speaker 1: was like almost guessing what hold the film and not
Speaker 1: cassing right or not. If they seem react slower than usual,
Speaker 1: that's why these linemen are getting These are the uncovered linemen,
Speaker 1: and gets Minnesota were so fast in their face they
Speaker 1: didn't not have a chance. Now, I don't know that
Speaker 1: it has anything to do with the defensive linemen not
Speaker 1: holding them up enough. As you know. I know that's
Speaker 1: been practiced, you know when I was here with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: But they are jumping out in their faces so much.
Speaker 1: I saw I saw Smith just trying to run from
Speaker 1: the cut blocks. The top blocks were coming at him
Speaker 1: and then it was up if it was up the middle.
Speaker 1: They couldn't get off the blocks that ten yards down
Speaker 1: the field. So I saw Vandersch having the same problems.
Speaker 1: But I expected more from him because he's the brute.
Speaker 1: He's that guy Smith. I don't want to call him
Speaker 1: Ackilly Smith. Smith. Smith is known to run. He's born,
Speaker 1: he's born to run. He's a ladable guy. But Vanderes
Speaker 1: has that lad of ability. But I expected him to
Speaker 1: be that brute up the middle. He was going to
Speaker 1: replace Sean Lee and be that guy that we can
Speaker 1: stop the teams, that can stop the teams from coming
Speaker 1: between the tackles. That's what I thought he was here for,
Speaker 1: which is what he did last year. This year has
Speaker 1: not been the case. Well, the thing that Sean Lee
Speaker 1: has done throughout his career is I mean, he dissects
Speaker 1: that plays exactly. He can even pre snap. He has
Speaker 1: an anticipation of where it's coming, and he can avoid
Speaker 1: those blocks and so and it's so it's something he
Speaker 1: has it naturally and he has it through preparation. And
Speaker 1: I think Layton has that same work ethic. But still,
Speaker 1: you know, it's takes some time in this league to
Speaker 1: Sean Lee. La was that last week just sniffed out
Speaker 1: the screen before the hun you know, those the kind
Speaker 1: of things that that which makes him a faster player.
Speaker 1: And well that's what helped me. If you can anticipate,
Speaker 1: then yeah, you know one step ahead, you know, and
Speaker 1: I was so slower than that that even things up.
Speaker 1: So but now, and you know, and I wonder if
Speaker 1: it affects how the Cowboys play their linebackers in this
Speaker 1: game because of I don't know how much you want
Speaker 1: Sean Lee man the man on James White and you know,
Speaker 1: out in the flat all the time, and he was
Speaker 1: having problems with Ulph and the Vikings, the Vikings Gay right.
Speaker 1: The other thing that occurred to me as well, maybe
Speaker 1: you want to play more dime, but now you're down
Speaker 1: a cornerback without Anthony Brown. And I'm wondering because I've
Speaker 1: heard I can't remember if one of the coaches said this,
Speaker 1: or maybe Jerry Um if you say, well, if I
Speaker 1: got to play dime, maybe I bring Xavier Woods back
Speaker 1: into the slot and then put Thompson back at safety.
Speaker 1: That's something he did his rookie year, right, And that's
Speaker 1: what that's basically what he played as down the street
Speaker 1: with those young corners started playing as rookies. He was
Speaker 1: their slot corner. So that's interesting. That's in a pinch,
Speaker 1: you can do that. Yeah, I mean if you're getting
Speaker 1: beat underneath because you know your slot guy's gotta take Edelman,
Speaker 1: I mean that's gonna be Jordan Lewis, and you know,
Speaker 1: and the next the next cornerback up is is good one.
Speaker 1: And they haven't really played him at cornerback. And we
Speaker 1: should point out Jeff Heath has been a full participant
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Speaker 1: In the NFL, there's a lot of games and matching
Speaker 1: up winning teams against winning teams, including the three twenty
Speaker 1: five kickoff on Sunday the Cowboys and the Patriots. All right, Mickey,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you. You're talking about the possibility
Speaker 1: of maybe using more dime. So in the dime defense,
Speaker 1: Sean Lee would come off the field. What what do
Speaker 1: you anticipate them going to more? More than anything, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I still think they'll They'll probably play well. They'll have
Speaker 1: to play a lot of nickel for sure. And maybe
Speaker 1: when you get into pure passing situations, you go to dime,
Speaker 1: bring Xavier Woods down from safety, put them in the
Speaker 1: slot yet Jordan Lewis and the other slot, and you
Speaker 1: play one linebacker. And I don't know if that one
Speaker 1: linebacker is consistently Jalen Smith or it could be Sean
Speaker 1: Lee since he runs things. This is gonna be I
Speaker 1: think a very cerebral game. It is on both sides
Speaker 1: of the ball, because as you talk about the person
Speaker 1: and by the way, I didn't know you and Jerry
Speaker 1: discussed the game plan. It sounds like the game playing.
Speaker 1: Jerry's in the huddle and you're listening to him. That's
Speaker 1: the main things bag. You're actually writing that down. The
Speaker 1: cerebral part of it I can see is we started
Speaker 1: talking about personnel. Uh, it's gonna be some Aaron rod
Speaker 1: just crap going on out there. They're gonna trying to
Speaker 1: catch us with the wrong personnel many times. Go huddle
Speaker 1: real quick, right, you know, Brady started that before Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: So that's that's gonna be part of that chess match
Speaker 1: that we're going to be seen throughout the entire game.
Speaker 1: And the other flip side of it, on the other
Speaker 1: side of the ball, do how do the Patriots attack
Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense? We talked about that a little bit today.
Speaker 1: They've proven here to be a kind of a pick
Speaker 1: your poison offense. But do does Belichick try to do
Speaker 1: what these other teams have done and shut down the
Speaker 1: run and with so much confidence in secondary to handle
Speaker 1: up on the back end. I can see that doing
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean he always does a lot of
Speaker 1: audibling I can see even more. You know, you might
Speaker 1: audible your way out of a good play. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: think may uh, you know, determine you to do that
Speaker 1: just by the look just maybe trying to confuse you.
Speaker 1: That would be a worst case scenario. Is audibling too much? Uh,
Speaker 1: and therefore you can't control the pace of the game
Speaker 1: like the Saints game and where the crowd was into it,
Speaker 1: it won't be as bad, but as far as the
Speaker 1: confusion aspect of it, that could be something that they
Speaker 1: have to deal with offensively, especially maybe the rainal quiet
Speaker 1: the people down. But you're but you're right, and you
Speaker 1: know because you got to figure out what all those
Speaker 1: linebackers are doing. Right, And I had it put to
Speaker 1: me that it's more of an annoyance than anything else,
Speaker 1: Like you got to you gotta try to figure out
Speaker 1: what and that's going to be the problem. I might
Speaker 1: slow the problem, Yes it will. So that's what I
Speaker 1: mean about the pace it's self. Dak won't be in
Speaker 1: the control that if he's still trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what they're trying to do. So I would imagine if
Speaker 1: I'm an offensive coordinator, Look, once you make a call,
Speaker 1: let's just go with it. Let's just go with it,
Speaker 1: and then you still read your keys and you still
Speaker 1: make a safe play. There's always, no matter what the
Speaker 1: play is, there's an outlet somewhere. You just have to
Speaker 1: find it, you know, the outlet has to be available.
Speaker 1: So if the Cowboys can just all be on one
Speaker 1: page with that, I hope they did. I hope they
Speaker 1: were here at the start with a bunch of noahs
Speaker 1: and all that, because it's going to be it's gonna
Speaker 1: be prevalent that they understand and to stay poised throughout
Speaker 1: the entire game. Because normally the center can help you
Speaker 1: with some of the calls, but the way they move
Speaker 1: their linebackers around outside, I don't know if the center
Speaker 1: can see all of that stuff. Right. He and Dak
Speaker 1: have to work together on that, yeah, and and the
Speaker 1: other lineman can help as well. And I think you know,
Speaker 1: if he said it once yesterday, he said it ten
Speaker 1: times when they were when Kellen Moore did his interview
Speaker 1: before or the locker room opened up, and he kept
Speaker 1: using the word communication to communicate. We have to have
Speaker 1: great communication. And that's because I'll guarantee of Philadelphia, they
Speaker 1: were off. They couldn't figure out who was coming, who
Speaker 1: was dropping five sacks. I think it was well And
Speaker 1: that was after Lane Johnson went out. They lost the
Speaker 1: right time. They lost Peters to Lane Johnson. That was
Speaker 1: later in the game. But things were going fine for
Speaker 1: them protecting a quarterback, and then they lost Lane Johnson
Speaker 1: and it was like a rapid fire, you know. And
Speaker 1: that's the other thing the Patriots do. They see a
Speaker 1: weakness and they'll expose it very quickly. I suggest you
Speaker 1: go on on Dallas Cowboys dot com and check out
Speaker 1: the film room with Will McClay. He breaks down this
Speaker 1: Patriots defense and then specifically shows three plays where how
Speaker 1: they used Jamie Collins, and on one of the plays,
Speaker 1: Jamie Collins is setting the edge as a defensive end.
Speaker 1: The next play he shows he's lined up as an
Speaker 1: inside backer, and then he also shows him running a
Speaker 1: stunt inside getting to the quarterback. You know, Jamie Collins
Speaker 1: is a guy who has six sacks on the season,
Speaker 1: He's got three picks, he's got seven tackles for lossy
Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's Betty versatility right there. It's
Speaker 1: pretty much. Of course, he started his career with the Patriots,
Speaker 1: went away and then he was at Cleveland and comes
Speaker 1: back to the Patriots, and you know they're using him
Speaker 1: I got to say, I just had one more thought,
Speaker 1: going back to the pace of the game. Cowboys gonna
Speaker 1: have to go quick snap a lot. That's that there's
Speaker 1: the same thing and Natan Newton always says the same thing,
Speaker 1: make you laugh, make you coy. You're a big guy,
Speaker 1: then yeah you're gonna bully somebody. But if you're too big,
Speaker 1: then somebody's gonna buy around you. So there's got there's
Speaker 1: always um a disadvantage that you put yourself in when
Speaker 1: you disguise, and we can catch him in in uh
Speaker 1: while they're disguising and go with a quick snap mayby
Speaker 1: once in a while, especially in key situations. Then that
Speaker 1: that way we can at times put the pace of
Speaker 1: the team of the game in our favor. Maybe go
Speaker 1: hurry up. Believe hurry up would be great, would be
Speaker 1: great because it's not like you got to take care
Speaker 1: of one guy. When it comes to sacks for them,
Speaker 1: Collins has six, Van Noy has five and a half.
Speaker 1: Adam Butler Adam Butler five, Duncanville, Texas three hunder and
Speaker 1: he's got five and a half sacks rushing from the inside,
Speaker 1: and Chase Winovic has four and a half rookie and
Speaker 1: then they've got a bunch of guys with three so
Speaker 1: that's coming from all tower Danny Shelton. Yeah, that's three sacks.
Speaker 1: So they're linebackers or lead them in sacks, and that
Speaker 1: shows you how they're playing them as like stand up
Speaker 1: defensive ends. Well, once again, Michael Bennett is going to
Speaker 1: factor into this game for the Cowboys defense being inside rusher,
Speaker 1: maybe outside rusher as well. He's here because those guys
Speaker 1: they kind of change what they did midseason. That's so Belichick.
Speaker 1: You know, they went more linebacker heavy and he didn't
Speaker 1: get on the field. Yeah, the question was going to
Speaker 1: come up, like, wow, we've someone had to be a casualty,
Speaker 1: and I didn't even think of it that that Bennett
Speaker 1: was that obvious agilty. He was the casualty and then
Speaker 1: he complained and became a big casualty when you know,
Speaker 1: he did get suspended before the trade. But I think
Speaker 1: more than anything, they just didn't find enough snaps for him. Well,
Speaker 1: you know he found the way. You found some snaps.
Speaker 1: Here's good, right, three snaps. How prevalent do you think
Speaker 1: he will be? He will be in the game itself.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy, he knows this system. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's good. It's not like he's not any good some
Speaker 1: guy that's over the hill just trying them. And he
Speaker 1: can tell him because you know when when I asked him,
Speaker 1: and I think I said it earlier about why this
Speaker 1: thing works, and he was saying that Van Noy the
Speaker 1: most athletic guy he ever played with. Wow, and that
Speaker 1: High Tower, uh, you know, and then Collins was the smartest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then High Tower can do everything. And so that's
Speaker 1: why they can kind of screw around back there and
Speaker 1: change things up because these guys know how to do it.
Speaker 1: That's what they're doing. They're screwing around, screwing around back there.
Speaker 1: They're screwing around. Yes, he doesn't seem like you're either
Speaker 1: talking about thinking about when you go watch football practice
Speaker 1: the middle linebackers here, those strong side linebackers on the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, of the weak side linebackers over here
Speaker 1: off the line, I think they're all in the same spot.
Speaker 1: I think it's more organized chaos they than playing grah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I guarantee you if you're if you're the quarterback,
Speaker 1: you probably think they're screwing around back there. Oh, let
Speaker 1: me go stand over here for a while. Okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna screw around some more here on Talking Cowboys here
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Speaker 1: We appreciate you joining us here, and let's talk about
Speaker 1: Cowboys and Patriots a little bit. And what kind of
Speaker 1: atmosphere do you expect in Sunday's game as far as
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans at the game on Sunday? Myself, when I
Speaker 1: saw the schedule, I went immediately, knowing that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are playing in New England this year, immediately said, where's
Speaker 1: that New England game? If I was a fan and
Speaker 1: wanted to travel to a game, this is the game
Speaker 1: that I would have gone to that but I would
Speaker 1: pick that, would not pick this game. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a basketball player because I hated the weather. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I'm not going to watch that game. It's
Speaker 1: a little too late. Another game coming out, but no,
Speaker 1: Well but Championship, those tickets aren't available. I bet you
Speaker 1: know the Patriot fans. I don't know how they act,
Speaker 1: but are they selling their tickets so they can make money?
Speaker 1: Because that's what happens here, right when when you see
Speaker 1: all these away Okay, well if it was just a
Speaker 1: regular game, but it's well, that's what I was about
Speaker 1: to say. Okay, cowboys coming to town. Okay, we're pumped
Speaker 1: that they're playing the Patriots. Okay, how much are the
Speaker 1: Patriots pump that the Cowboys are coming down there? It's
Speaker 1: not just about you know, where they are statistically, the
Speaker 1: fact that they lost the game that they probably thought
Speaker 1: they shouldn't have lost, them talking about the Patriots, but
Speaker 1: it's also it's just a matter of pride. They want
Speaker 1: to be and they consider themselves because of the Championships
Speaker 1: America's team. Let's just be real, they are They said,
Speaker 1: well Craft and Jerry Jones, they got this crap going on.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it had something to do with
Speaker 1: the flate gate, and then all of a sudden, here
Speaker 1: comes Zeke Elliotty's suspended. They said Craft might have been
Speaker 1: in there, you know, shaking his finger at the commissioner,
Speaker 1: like you better get him because you got my guy.
Speaker 1: So nah, I think it's it's a personal game, just
Speaker 1: like the Falcons game two years ago. I believe it
Speaker 1: was when Blank and Jerry Jones were having a little
Speaker 1: little called the p fit. But yeah, But the other
Speaker 1: part of it is a few times that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: play the Patriots. I mean, this only happens every four years,
Speaker 1: and for the Cowboys to go there, it's been eight
Speaker 1: years since they since they played there. And no matter
Speaker 1: what you think, when that star shows up, people want
Speaker 1: to be there to see it. Oh, because they want
Speaker 1: to cheer against them. There's been one time this year
Speaker 1: on the road so far where it didn't seem like
Speaker 1: a cow almost a dominant Cowboys presence, and that was
Speaker 1: New Orleans. I think you know a lot of Saints fans.
Speaker 1: They didn't sell their tickets, but I mean it felt
Speaker 1: like a home game last week in Detroit, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's gonna be a fair representation. So well. And
Speaker 1: then okay, so now that you take the primary players
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, I mean you take the Zeke Elliots,
Speaker 1: you take the Deak Press Scotts. We saw in their
Speaker 1: rookie year where they go on the road at Green
Speaker 1: Bay at Pittsburgh. That stage was not too big for them.
Speaker 1: They've played on the highest level in college football. They
Speaker 1: don't let you know how much they relish this opportunity
Speaker 1: to go play. We've seen so much crap since then,
Speaker 1: and we've forgotten just how growing up Zeke and Deak
Speaker 1: and their rookie year. I mean, that was domination. They
Speaker 1: went into Pittsburgh, into Pittsburgh. I talked about that game
Speaker 1: a lot. You're one of the few people out here
Speaker 1: I here bring that up about not just you know,
Speaker 1: how how well Dak and Zeke played, but how how
Speaker 1: that team was sold together at that time. I had
Speaker 1: no doubt that they would win that game in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: There was no doubt, and the way they wanted it
Speaker 1: was so convincing. You know, they out Steelers the Steelers,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to them and getting back to
Speaker 1: that again. That those games, that's the ones that gives
Speaker 1: me hope and and you know, positivity about them getting
Speaker 1: back on track again, because that's pretty much it's we
Speaker 1: have We have a better team. Now. We have a
Speaker 1: better team now, No, no Dad, no dad, but we
Speaker 1: have three heck of it receivers now that we did
Speaker 1: not have it that time. Oh yeah, and Mary's feeling
Speaker 1: better this week. He said that yesterday he's been a
Speaker 1: full participant in practice. And I think somebody asked him
Speaker 1: about Michael Gallup as a number two receiver. Ever sinting,
Speaker 1: he goes, I don't think he liked the question because
Speaker 1: he said that this guy's a number one too, and
Speaker 1: he's playing like it, you know, and second year in
Speaker 1: the league, he's really growing up as a as a
Speaker 1: you know, potentially elite receiver in this league week to week.
Speaker 1: And sort of an example for you, said about the excitement,
Speaker 1: the average ticket price for this game seven hundred nineteen dollars.
Speaker 1: Is it really average? And I saw one site that
Speaker 1: it was as much as they were selling tickets on
Speaker 1: the secondary market for twenty two hundred dollars. I don't
Speaker 1: know where that was, right, And that for that much,
Speaker 1: I better have a roof over my head, right, it
Speaker 1: better be a suite right next to me. Right now.
Speaker 1: You talk about Gallup and number two receiver versus number one, Uh,
Speaker 1: Cowboys having more jobs. That's for anybody early on this season.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's still the case, but I
Speaker 1: promise you Gallup has not been dropping any more passes.
Speaker 1: And after that one one game, after that game, well
Speaker 1: it was really a couple of games where he had.
Speaker 1: It was most noticeable in the Jets games because they
Speaker 1: were missing Cobb and game and now the last game,
Speaker 1: the way he stepped up, you know, he knew Cooper
Speaker 1: was going to be hurt at least, you know, hobbled
Speaker 1: a bit, and he stepped up, and Dak challenged him,
Speaker 1: the Keller Moore challenged him, and he came through. That
Speaker 1: was a good game for him. No drops, no turnovers,
Speaker 1: over one hundred yards. Start that right now. You want
Speaker 1: a key. There was ever a game to play a
Speaker 1: clean game, it's got to be this one, no question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those dbs are gonna be after those cornerbacks are going
Speaker 1: to be in their faces. Guys, I promise you this
Speaker 1: is not just gonna be a cerebral game from the
Speaker 1: coaching standpoint and their quarterbacks, but it's just gonna be
Speaker 1: all out, just gut check. You know. This is one
Speaker 1: of those games every once in a while, when I played,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to be que out there. I like
Speaker 1: to get a little back pedal going and you know,
Speaker 1: get smoothed and get loose. But there are some games
Speaker 1: when you're playing against the Red Skins, you know, playing
Speaker 1: against guy like Art Monk, you just got to get
Speaker 1: in his face. It's just you, me and you, just
Speaker 1: a whole game. You know. I don't have anything to
Speaker 1: say to you don't have anything to say to me.
Speaker 1: We're gonna speak with our play, and this is going
Speaker 1: to be one of those games. Whatever your style is,
Speaker 1: you trash talk, you know, if you're quiet, if you're
Speaker 1: sereb or whatever. But this is gonna be a game
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a gut check for especially these specialty
Speaker 1: players as well. I got one minute left in this segment,
Speaker 1: so I hesitate to bring this up because we don't
Speaker 1: have enough time. But we can carry it over to
Speaker 1: the next our final segment here. How important, how important
Speaker 1: you are? Short? How just how important is this game
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys? I mean, obviously from a from a
Speaker 1: season standpoint, but but even just yeah, it's it's a barrier,
Speaker 1: it's a thermometer. Right now, this is we're got to
Speaker 1: see where we are. We have to see where we
Speaker 1: are right now as a team. I think we can
Speaker 1: still lose the game and still being in good good
Speaker 1: about yourself. Yeah, it depends on how you lose that game,
Speaker 1: and so the numbers them salves wins and losses. That
Speaker 1: wouldn't matter this week. We could still have to win
Speaker 1: out maybe one more loss out to this, but this
Speaker 1: game will not ruin our playoff chances. I think it's
Speaker 1: more it'll be as much of a confidence thing as
Speaker 1: it is something in the standings, right, because even if
Speaker 1: you play really well and lose, at least you'll feel
Speaker 1: good about yourself. But if you go down there and
Speaker 1: flop around, it's like every time, every time we play
Speaker 1: one of these good teams, this is what we do well.
Speaker 1: The other thing, it seems like for any team, but
Speaker 1: especially since we follow the Cowboys in the seasons where
Speaker 1: they go to the playoffs, they have a stretch of
Speaker 1: the season where they where they get on a roll
Speaker 1: and they accumulate a number of wins in a row.
Speaker 1: They're playing very well to get there, and obviously it's trite,
Speaker 1: but you got to continue to improve as the season
Speaker 1: goes along, and why not against the best in the league.
Speaker 1: They did that last year. Yeah, I can remember Tom
Speaker 1: talking about Landry talking about that all the time. You
Speaker 1: wanted to streak into the playoffs. You didn't want to
Speaker 1: limp in, wanted to streak into the playoffs. It's time
Speaker 1: to streak. Shrinking time did you streak bell in college?
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Speaker 1: As we make our picks, who wants to go first,
Speaker 1: our pick, the click and our pick for the game.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm a person going I'm gonna go first.
Speaker 1: And I know this is wishful thinking, but I am
Speaker 1: looking forward to can I just put my my, my
Speaker 1: cornerback duo and as one one pick. I think you
Speaker 1: can do whatever you want to. I think our cornerbacks
Speaker 1: are gonna do well. I look for one of them
Speaker 1: to get an interception. It's just shut me up for
Speaker 1: once this year about talking about how they can't play.
Speaker 1: I look for the Cowboys to win. I really do.
Speaker 1: I picked the Cowboys to win every week. So you know,
Speaker 1: whenever you ask me this at the end of the week,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Cowboys. Uh, cornerbacks and Cowboys. That's good.
Speaker 1: It's just a quarterback that has the best chance to
Speaker 1: get a pick. I wanted to say Biban Jones because
Speaker 1: it's guy is so athletic. But you know when you
Speaker 1: make a Pro Bowl with no picks in Novai, Yeah,
Speaker 1: no movas him. But I think I think a Woozier.
Speaker 1: Well we'll finally uh turn around and look for the ball.
Speaker 1: All right, there it is there. It is number twenty four.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go stick with defense and go with Sean Lee.
Speaker 1: And we talked about him earlier, we know now exactly
Speaker 1: he's got to have a big role in this game.
Speaker 1: The two games where vander esh was limited or inactive
Speaker 1: against Philly in New York, Sean had to think twenty
Speaker 1: three tackles and was all over the field. And given
Speaker 1: this matchup, he's got to show up big in this
Speaker 1: game too. So got my on number fifty this week.
Speaker 1: Good choice I will take Did you have a pick?
Speaker 1: Did you pick the game? Did I picked the game? Yeah? Wow,
Speaker 1: this is this is stuff I've been leaning I've been
Speaker 1: leaning to. I'll go with Dallas because I think they
Speaker 1: every time we think they can't win a game, or
Speaker 1: there's Philly before the buy, or the Saints last year,
Speaker 1: they get they get like a signature win. I'll take
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Okay, do you have a score? Whatever Mickey
Speaker 1: picks is for whatever, I think it's fine. I will
Speaker 1: take number twenty one Zekiel Elliott. He is gonna get
Speaker 1: past that line of scrimmage because they don't have very
Speaker 1: big defensive lineman playing, and once he gets in the
Speaker 1: open field, you're gonna see the guy from Ohio State.
Speaker 1: I will pick the Cowboys to win twenty three twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty Cowboys. That's good, and I'm going with
Speaker 1: Michael Bennett as my pick to click this week. He's
Speaker 1: going to get in the face of one Tom Brady
Speaker 1: as we are about out of time here on Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and we will talk at you again next week. Oh,
Speaker 1: I forgot to make my pick. Oh oh, we ran
Speaker 1: out of time Talking Cowboys. Sorry,