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Speaker 5: Amber's out here today, but we got a lot to
Speaker 5: get into. Tommy Yarsh joining us. We're going to uh
Speaker 5: in the first segment. We've got a couple of different
Speaker 5: things we want to talk about, some different comments that
Speaker 5: were made yesterday and today. Mike Zimmer had it some
Speaker 5: time with the press yesterday. I thought he had some
Speaker 5: interesting things to say. Mike, I'm sorry, I Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 5: Jerry Jones had an interview this morning on one O
Speaker 5: five dot three the Fan with our guy Sean, Audrey
Speaker 5: RJ and Bobby, and he had some interesting things to say.
Speaker 5: We'll get into some of that in the second segment.
Speaker 5: Brian's got some I got some questions for us. You're
Speaker 5: gonna do his Zimmer segment. Yeah, I got a Zimmer question. Okay,
Speaker 5: hopefully we don't tread all over your Zimmer question. If
Speaker 5: we're too close to then be like, hey, let's back
Speaker 5: away from that.
Speaker 6: And well, you know what I say. I like to
Speaker 6: make these questions. You know, we usually all talk about
Speaker 6: what we're gonna do here, but I like to keep
Speaker 6: these questions where you don't know, so kind of get
Speaker 6: that surprise answer. So if you get real close to
Speaker 6: my Zimmer question.
Speaker 2: Just tap me.
Speaker 6: I'm gonn go, Derek, Hey, back away, look them all right, And.
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Speaker 2: Them on the line. All right, Let's start first though,
Speaker 2: with Mike Zimmer yesterday.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm gonna give you a quote, all right, and
Speaker 5: then again if it gets too close, just just nudge me,
Speaker 5: all right. But I wanted to get your reactions to
Speaker 5: this the follow up because yeah, right, because it jumped
Speaker 5: out at me and it was very interesting to me,
Speaker 5: and I'd love to know what you guys thought of
Speaker 5: it and what you think he was getting at The
Speaker 5: quote was I wish that we that when I came in,
Speaker 5: I did everything the way I wanted it done. That
Speaker 5: was probably the struggles at the beginning. I was just
Speaker 5: doing things I was uncomfortable with, and so I had
Speaker 5: to do what I had to do. I said it
Speaker 5: to some of the coaches, you come in, you come in,
Speaker 5: and you come in here.
Speaker 2: Wow, I don't know what I may have missed it up.
Speaker 2: They are good.
Speaker 5: They were good last year, right, So I come in,
Speaker 5: I don't want to really rock the boat. I wasn't
Speaker 5: as tough as I typically am. I probably wasn't as
Speaker 5: hard headed about how I do things, is the best
Speaker 5: way to say it.
Speaker 2: That's what I regret the most. What are your thoughts
Speaker 2: on those comments?
Speaker 6: Tack that one, Tommy.
Speaker 7: I think the real key there is him saying, hey,
Speaker 7: this defense was really good last year. I didn't want
Speaker 7: to come in and be the guy that changes everything
Speaker 7: and then that takes away your product on the field.
Speaker 3: So from that perspective, I understand. I think there are ways, however,
Speaker 3: to where you.
Speaker 7: Could have come in and implemented your system, implemented your style,
Speaker 7: whatever you want to call it, and still find that
Speaker 7: success because the one thing that's not changing is the
Speaker 7: guys that you've got on the roster for the most part.
Speaker 7: Obviously there were some key departures last year, but you've
Speaker 7: still got Microp Parsons, So you're going to build this
Speaker 7: thing around anyways. And you know, when you think of
Speaker 7: Mike Zimmer and I know brod Us knows him really well.
Speaker 7: I mean, you Harden knows no nonsense. This guy's down
Speaker 7: to business and it's worked for him his entire career.
Speaker 7: So I can see why that's somewhat jarring. But at
Speaker 7: the same time, I understand the perspective of, hey, you know,
Speaker 7: if we're rolling, I don't want to change too much,
Speaker 7: right because it's something that has worked out well and
Speaker 7: the teams haven't success they're winning games because of it.
Speaker 7: But at the same time, you're hired to implement your style,
Speaker 7: You're hired to implement your way of doing things to
Speaker 7: benefit this organization. And so I think he's done that
Speaker 7: here in the back half, and I think that's because
Speaker 7: he's gotten more comfortable.
Speaker 6: I was very critical of Mike because I thought they
Speaker 6: taught it too slow, And now listening to Mike talk
Speaker 6: about it, and Mike and I haven't talked about this
Speaker 6: particular avenue. I wonder if Mike came in and read
Speaker 6: the room. I wonder if he came in and started
Speaker 6: meeting with his guys. You know, Michael Parsons wasn't here
Speaker 6: for the OTA stuff and things like that. He's like, Man,
Speaker 6: what am I dealing with here? The best players wrestling
Speaker 6: sumo dudes you know in Tokyo and doing stuff like that.
Speaker 6: You know what am I dealing with here?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 6: I'm okay, I've got some coaches here. I don't know
Speaker 6: from a previous staff. You know, how loyal are.
Speaker 2: They to me?
Speaker 6: Are they loyal to I think Mike might have read
Speaker 6: the room. I thought. I think Mike might have came
Speaker 6: in and not wanted to be what Tommy was talking
Speaker 6: about that because Mike is a hard ass. Mike is
Speaker 6: a get in your face guy.
Speaker 2: Well we thought we were getting when we first when
Speaker 2: they first made to hire.
Speaker 6: Right, we were sitting there watching practice. He's got his
Speaker 6: arm around Mozzie Smith like, hey, come on, man, you
Speaker 6: could do this. You can. Old Mike Zimmer's like, hey,
Speaker 6: if you don't do this, you're going to be standing
Speaker 6: with me. I ain't effing around today. We've all seen
Speaker 6: the NFL films where Mike has like got this crazed
Speaker 6: look and he's and he's going after the Cincinnati Bengal
Speaker 6: dudes and they're all looking straight ahead like he's serious.
Speaker 6: I've seen this from Mike. I didn't see that. I
Speaker 6: didn't see that coaching this year. I saw a guy
Speaker 6: that was, you know, Mike was trying to his training
Speaker 6: camp was going, he was he was implementing some things.
Speaker 6: Maybe Mike read the room that the buy in was
Speaker 6: going to be tough. He's like, man, can I come
Speaker 6: in and be this hard ass guy. And knowing that
Speaker 6: these guys are trying to get over of losing, it's
Speaker 6: gonna sound terrible losing their dad dan Quinn and they
Speaker 6: loved him, by the way, yeah Quinn, they loved dan Quinn.
Speaker 6: They just lost their dad. And so here comes here
Speaker 6: comes new dad, Stepdad, and all of a sudden now and.
Speaker 2: Start making rule.
Speaker 6: Stepdad ain't gonna tell me what to do. You know,
Speaker 6: we we were damn good defense with real dad was here,
Speaker 6: not Stepdad. And I think that's where I think Mike
Speaker 6: read the room, and I think it took it. Honestly,
Speaker 6: it took them getting their ass kicked the way they
Speaker 6: did the first five or six weeks of the season
Speaker 6: to realize that, like, listen, if I don't pull this
Speaker 6: thing up, we're all gone. We're all gone. You Osa
Speaker 6: Lewis all you got gone? Me too, gone. Because they did,
Speaker 6: they turned things around in a positive way where they
Speaker 6: weren't getting just crushed in games like they were the
Speaker 6: first five weeks of the season.
Speaker 5: So let me ask you this, If you take what
Speaker 5: this defense is and I'm not talking about what they
Speaker 5: were at the beginning of the season. I'm talking about
Speaker 5: what they were by the final five, last five weeks.
Speaker 5: And you compare that to the twenty twenty three version
Speaker 5: of the Dallas Cowboys defense. Are they better, worse or
Speaker 5: the same?
Speaker 6: I think they play the run better. And it sounds
Speaker 6: crazy when you gave up one hundred and but I
Speaker 6: think up until that point of the game. You know,
Speaker 6: this season, there have been some days where we've sat
Speaker 6: here and talked about the team, the opponent for that week,
Speaker 6: and like, they can run the ball well. Opponent had
Speaker 6: sixty yard rush. Yep, opponent had forty seven yard rushing.
Speaker 6: They run the ball really well. You know, Derek believed me,
Speaker 6: Tommy believe me. They run the ball really well. Opponent
Speaker 6: had ninety yards on you know, twenty eight carries, thirty
Speaker 6: carries whatever, you know, something like that. So yeah, I
Speaker 6: think I think the thing that they got better at
Speaker 6: was playing run defense. But what also happened is he
Speaker 6: got something out of Golston, he got something out of Osa,
Speaker 6: he got something out of damn Mozzi Smith, you know,
Speaker 6: and he took and he took, he took over shown
Speaker 6: and he made something out of over shown until he
Speaker 6: got hurt and then this maryor Sliefeule. I mean, they're
Speaker 6: the coaches are standing in the scouts are standing here
Speaker 6: during the draft, and they're telling us how much they
Speaker 6: love Mary Sleeful and were like, god, you didn't take
Speaker 6: a running back, you idiots. You know, they were telling
Speaker 6: us how good you know that Neelan was, and we're like, god,
Speaker 6: there's another running back that didn't get drafted.
Speaker 8: There.
Speaker 6: You know, they he he did something to coaches are
Speaker 6: responsible for, and that's putting your players in best position
Speaker 6: to make plays. Now, I'll say this real quickly. He
Speaker 6: messed up with that whole thing with Booth. You know,
Speaker 6: he didn't put Booth. He didn't help Booth in that
Speaker 6: game last week. He didn't help him. And that's not
Speaker 6: like Mike. But maybe he was to the point where
Speaker 6: I can't help him. I can't. I can't. I don't
Speaker 6: have the ability to help him like I need. I mean,
Speaker 6: I think that with what he had to work with
Speaker 6: the cornerback situation being a damn mess, you know, Micah
Speaker 6: coming back, I think he did the best he could.
Speaker 6: Gave him a chance, gave him a chance from all
Speaker 6: to maybe keep their jobs.
Speaker 7: So I think it's kind of a lot of things
Speaker 7: there when you look at this year compared to last year,
Speaker 7: because this year, like Brian talked about, the personnel you've
Speaker 7: got at corner has just been so up and down
Speaker 7: and you have no consistency there, whereas they had a
Speaker 7: little bit more of that last year, Deron Bland was
Speaker 7: playing at an all pro level and so that completely
Speaker 7: changes everything.
Speaker 3: Mike did kind.
Speaker 7: Of talk about the booth situation yesterday in terms of,
Speaker 7: you know, when we.
Speaker 3: Try to give him help, they run the ball.
Speaker 7: That's why, say Quon Barkley has one hundred and twenty
Speaker 7: seven yards in the second half, and so you know,
Speaker 7: but that's also a bypart of hey, there's we got
Speaker 7: nobody else in that room, like, like, what are you
Speaker 7: going to do out there? Because if you slide, Jordan
Speaker 7: lewis out there, okay, Well somebody's got to cover the
Speaker 7: tight end. Is that something you trust Israel mcqualmuud doing?
Speaker 7: Is it something you trust somebody else?
Speaker 6: I would have gambled me too.
Speaker 5: I don't think you could have got well, And I.
Speaker 6: Would like I would rather die a fast death in
Speaker 6: the slow death I was dying in that game.
Speaker 3: I absolutely agree.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that that's not a bad solution because frankly,
Speaker 7: anything would have been a better solution than what it
Speaker 7: was at that point. So you know, from that perspective,
Speaker 7: I think you look at last year's defense say well,
Speaker 7: what's it's loads better? But Brian makes a good point
Speaker 7: that this year they've stopped the run pretty well. I mean,
Speaker 7: we look at that first half. Saquon Barkley was held
Speaker 7: to forty yards. That is not a hang the banner
Speaker 7: moment by any means, because he had one hundred and
Speaker 7: twenty seven and ran for two thousand yards on you
Speaker 7: in the second half. But nonetheless, when you think about
Speaker 7: where they were last year in the troubles that they
Speaker 7: had doing there, and I think, honestly he doesn't get
Speaker 7: enough credit. Is Eric Kendricks in the middle of this
Speaker 7: defense because he knows Mike Zimmer's scheme so well. He's
Speaker 7: always been great against the run throughout his entire career.
Speaker 7: Having that kind of having your mic guy and Marrislee
Speaker 7: if I was going to become that I think in
Speaker 7: the future, but having that guy who knows the scheme,
Speaker 7: who knows where to send guys has been really important,
Speaker 7: and then your defensive tackles stepping up to and developing
Speaker 7: and Mike Zimmer getting the most out of them. You
Speaker 7: know that Front seven really is has been impressive this year.
Speaker 5: Earlier this morning, Jerry Jones was on one on five
Speaker 5: Got three the Fan with Sean RJ and Bobby. What
Speaker 5: was his message there and kind of what did you
Speaker 5: take from that conversation, particularly what he had to say
Speaker 5: about Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a lot there. There was a lot,
Speaker 3: but there wasn't if that makes sense. We're getting to
Speaker 3: the point of the year.
Speaker 7: Obviously we're being asked about Mike McCarthy's future because everybody's
Speaker 7: contracts are up. Jones non committal in terms of which
Speaker 7: way they're deciding to go yet, but he was asked
Speaker 7: about how there's several reports over the last couple of
Speaker 7: days about, hey, if Mike McCarthy decides not to return
Speaker 7: to Dallas, or if Dallas doesn't retain Mike McCarthy, there's
Speaker 7: going to be a lot of NFL teams that are
Speaker 7: interested in him and wanting to bring him in and
Speaker 7: see what he can provide. So when he asked about that,
Speaker 7: he said, quote, well, I feel good about Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 3: The main thing is I like the job that he's done.
Speaker 7: It's unfortunate we've had the year that we've had, but
Speaker 7: I feel good about Mike. So that was my takeaway
Speaker 7: there in terms of that was about his in depth
Speaker 7: as he got about, you know, what the job Mike
Speaker 7: McCarthy has done. He talked about what he's learned through
Speaker 7: these times with Mike. This is only his fifth losing
Speaker 7: season as a head coach in his eighteen years coaching
Speaker 7: in the NFL, So that's incredibly impressive. And you know,
Speaker 7: you learn about a guy when you go through times
Speaker 7: like this and what they're really about. So Jerry talked
Speaker 7: a little bit about that.
Speaker 3: When asked if.
Speaker 7: He was in any sort of hurry to make a
Speaker 7: decision about the coaching staff and their future, he said, quote,
Speaker 7: I'm not under any.
Speaker 3: Unusual timeframe at all.
Speaker 7: So that tells you probably not in a rush to
Speaker 7: get this done. They're gonna sit back and really look
Speaker 7: at everything and evaluate where they go from here.
Speaker 6: God bless them, and then no, seriously, God bless them
Speaker 6: if they do that.
Speaker 7: And then in terms of where they go going forward,
Speaker 7: it is a lot about how Hey, when this team
Speaker 7: is healthy, we feel like we're going to we can
Speaker 7: put out.
Speaker 3: A good product regardless.
Speaker 7: And the quote for me was, when I look at
Speaker 7: where we are at our talent level, I feel real
Speaker 7: good that we've got the nucleus of a team that
Speaker 7: can compete. He sided things on Dak Prescott coming back, healthy,
Speaker 7: young offensive line having another year under their belts as
Speaker 7: reasons to why those things would happen, and getting some
Speaker 7: defensive guys back healthy as well. So yeah, a lot
Speaker 7: to unpact from Jerry this morning, but still nothing on
Speaker 7: miche McCarthy.
Speaker 2: I heard you say.
Speaker 5: I heard you make that noise, Brian when you sit
Speaker 5: then when you said that about it, they have the
Speaker 5: nucleus of the team.
Speaker 2: Do you disagree with that?
Speaker 6: Man? Did they look like a team that could go
Speaker 6: out and beat Detroit right now, or go out and
Speaker 6: beat Minnesota, or go beat Green Bay or go I
Speaker 6: know San Francisco's falling apart, but San Francisco the other night,
Speaker 6: you know, I mean, I just I think they've got
Speaker 6: I think they've got certain players. I don't think they have.
Speaker 5: Enough, but that I think that's what he said. Well,
Speaker 5: at least that's how that took the nucleus he has.
Speaker 5: They have that they have the high level players that
Speaker 5: they do you disagree with that or do you agree
Speaker 5: with that part?
Speaker 6: I think that they've got probably three or four players
Speaker 6: that can do that. I think they're going to need
Speaker 6: a lot more great players. Yeah, of the great player.
Speaker 6: Look at look at these teams that are NFC North
Speaker 6: has got two fourteen game winners, and so the first
Speaker 6: time in NFL history and somebody in that division is
Speaker 6: going to win fifteen games. Maybe well, if the fifteen
Speaker 6: game winner will win the division, the fourteen game will
Speaker 6: winner will be the fifth seed in that. Think about that.
Speaker 6: You're gotta play that division next year, by the way, Yeah,
Speaker 6: you know what, But you know what's interesting the Bears, Yeah,
Speaker 6: well I just kind of feel like though, I don't
Speaker 6: know if they've got the I don't know if they've
Speaker 6: got all the pieces. Yeah, and that's where it's going
Speaker 6: to be good about the draft and hopefully they can
Speaker 6: turn things around. I think the Commanders are going to
Speaker 6: be better next year too. I think that I think
Speaker 6: there's teams the Giants will see if the Giants might
Speaker 6: have worked themselves out of getting a quarterback, you know,
Speaker 6: the quarterback. Maybe they maybe they're going to, you know,
Speaker 6: depend on what happens. But I just kind of feel
Speaker 6: like that I watched these other teams play on a
Speaker 6: weekly basis, and I just don't feel like Dallas's could
Speaker 6: really compete now, maybe right now with the way that
Speaker 6: they surely can't with the way it's configured now. But man,
Speaker 6: they got they're gonna have to figure out some things. Yeah.
Speaker 5: My thing with with kind of when you talk about
Speaker 5: it from that standpoint is I think Dallas has some pieces.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. Yeah, I think right now, I.
Speaker 5: Look at this team relative to twenty twenty three version,
Speaker 5: and the twenty twenty three version was a good team.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they still.
Speaker 5: Didn't have an enough to get deep into the playoffs.
Speaker 5: And that's where I'm like, I think, there, I agree
Speaker 5: with you. I think they need a few more of
Speaker 5: those difference making players. And here's the part that's the kicker.
Speaker 5: They lost so much of their depth last year. They
Speaker 5: can't have another year of the blood letting they had
Speaker 5: last year where you lose.
Speaker 2: So many of the depth guys.
Speaker 5: But that's what I'm saying, like that, that's the point,
Speaker 5: that's where I think the issue really becomes it becomes
Speaker 5: where this thing becomes a problem.
Speaker 2: Is your depth was hit last year.
Speaker 5: If your depth gets hit again this year, that's not
Speaker 5: moving you forward now. I think on Jerry's from Jerry's
Speaker 5: point of view, he's probably looking at it and saying, well, yeah,
Speaker 5: we think that we've replenished some of that depth with
Speaker 5: the guys we drafted last year.
Speaker 2: They had this time to play, that will be better
Speaker 2: next year.
Speaker 3: Question.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's hope that's hope. Right.
Speaker 5: We don't know that, but but they can hope that,
Speaker 5: and then they got to have another great draft this year, right,
Speaker 5: and then you can maybe.
Speaker 2: Replenish all that.
Speaker 5: But that's that's the hard part about this is the
Speaker 5: depth has become an issue.
Speaker 2: For them this point.
Speaker 6: It's a high ask.
Speaker 3: I think it's a high Asshi.
Speaker 6: No, no, please cut me off any time you want.
Speaker 7: But when he says nucleus, right, and you think about
Speaker 7: the nucleus of teams anywhere, you're usually not getting more
Speaker 7: than four guys who make up your I think at least,
Speaker 7: and you gets feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 7: But this nucleus from what Jerry's talked about, from what
Speaker 7: Stevens talked about, is Dak Prescott, Ceede Lamb and Michael Parsons.
Speaker 7: You've had all three of them together on the same
Speaker 7: field this year for what four or five games.
Speaker 5: And by the way, he threw in Trayvon Diggs as well.
Speaker 5: So if you want to throw him in there, so
Speaker 5: you can throw in out there, how much he's lost,
Speaker 5: how how how many games.
Speaker 3: He missed, you can throw Trayvon Diggs in there.
Speaker 7: So if that's your nucleus, that's great, that's I would
Speaker 7: say that's a pretty good nucleus because when Dak Prescott's
Speaker 7: playing well, he's shown that he can play at an
Speaker 7: MVP like level. Ceedy Lamb has shown that he's one
Speaker 7: of the best wide receivers in the league. Michael Parsons
Speaker 7: makes a difference for your entire defense. When Trayvon Diggs
Speaker 7: is healthy, he's a ballhawk. That's all well and good.
Speaker 7: The problem is there's twenty two players on a field
Speaker 7: and you're gonna more than that. Like you guys talked
Speaker 7: about with depth, does Dallas have the depth right now
Speaker 7: to when you get those guys back, compete with the
Speaker 7: best in the NFC. I don't think so. And That's
Speaker 7: why I think you need a good draft this year.
Speaker 7: There's got to be something done in free agency. That
Speaker 7: doesn't mean you need to go out and sign you know,
Speaker 7: fifteen high level guys who are hitting the market. But
Speaker 7: this team just right now, personnel wise, I don't think
Speaker 7: has everything they need to get to where Jerry Jones
Speaker 7: says they are.
Speaker 5: The hard part is you look at a team like
Speaker 5: let's say, for example, Detroit or maybe even Philly. You
Speaker 5: look at just you start going down their roster. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and when you start doing that, you say, man, that nucleus.
Speaker 2: Is a lot, bigger lot.
Speaker 5: But I mean they got star players at a lot
Speaker 5: of positions, and that's where it.
Speaker 2: Becomes a little difficult when you try to match that up.
Speaker 2: And I think that's I think that's the caliber roster
Speaker 2: Dallas had in twenty two and twenty three. I don't
Speaker 2: think they're they're there right now.
Speaker 3: I think they're not.
Speaker 6: I think you're Seattle. I think you're Atlanta. I think
Speaker 6: you're Tampa. Yeah, that's who you seem are pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's who you are. But you're not Detroit, you're not Minnesota,
Speaker 6: you're not Green Bay. You know. I don't know what
Speaker 6: the Rams are.
Speaker 9: I mean, the Ram probablygory. The Rams are probably the
Speaker 9: echelon of rams. Seattle, Atlanta, Dallas. You know, forty nine ers,
Speaker 9: they the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2: I think I think they have missed their wind.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the forty nine ers should have been
Speaker 6: that tool. Forty nine ers should have been in that
Speaker 6: mix with Philadelphia, Detroit, Minnesota, Green Bay. There's teams. I
Speaker 6: think you're good enough to beat Tampa, but you're not
Speaker 6: good enough to beat Minnesota. You might, I mean, it
Speaker 6: took it, took, it took it. It was a great
Speaker 6: game to beat the Commanders. It took it, took a
Speaker 6: defensive effort, it took special teams, it took some fluky touchdowns,
Speaker 6: but you won that game. You're good enough to beat
Speaker 6: the Commanders. I think Dallas proved a lot with the
Speaker 6: roster they had that how their depth, and but they're
Speaker 6: they're they're not good enough to compete right now. Philadelphia
Speaker 6: they I will say this though, going back about Barkley
Speaker 6: his three worst rushing games, Cleveland, Dallas, Pittsburgh. They held
Speaker 6: him that first time around. Yeah three, I mean, so Dallas,
Speaker 6: Dallas did a nice job against him. The first time
Speaker 6: they played. The second time, it was they just didn't
Speaker 6: have enough.
Speaker 5: I will say this, I would love to see Mike
Speaker 5: Zimmer's iteration of this defense in the second half of
Speaker 5: the season. Combined with a healthy Dak Prescott and an
Speaker 5: offensive line that plays better than they.
Speaker 10: Were, those things, to me, could make this team, get
Speaker 10: this team back into that playoff ten win type area.
Speaker 5: I still don't know if they have enough though, to
Speaker 5: beat the Detroits and and the Phillies consistently. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: those teams that are just at the top of the league, Like,
Speaker 5: that's the part where they're gonna have to do a
Speaker 5: lot and a lot of guys are going to have
Speaker 5: to develop in order for them to get to that level.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, all right, we're gonna take our first break.
Speaker 2: We're gonna come back.
Speaker 5: We're going to dive into the Bryant brain of Brian
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Speaker 6: All right, Ryan, we do I like the way you
Speaker 6: play on the fly kind of hockey like there.
Speaker 2: You gotta do what you gotta do, all right, Tommy.
Speaker 6: Yes, sir, I was teasing all these Mike Zimmer questions.
Speaker 6: I got one for you. Then let's go. Tommy. Do
Speaker 6: you worry that, even given the opportunity to return, Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 7: Won't I think it's it's reasonable to think that. I
Speaker 7: think there might be reasons for that, you know, whether
Speaker 7: it be from how this year has gone, or how
Speaker 7: he may feel about personnel going forward to you know,
Speaker 7: the personal things that have happened in his life that
Speaker 7: caused him to sit out a year of football.
Speaker 3: Considered with you know what he's.
Speaker 7: Already done, how long he's been in the league, and
Speaker 7: what he wants in his future, yeah, I would say
Speaker 7: that that's something to at least consider. But if at
Speaker 7: the sound the same note, if Dallas wants him to
Speaker 7: come back, or if he wants to come back to Dallas,
Speaker 7: and you know there's mutual feeling there, sure you bring
Speaker 7: him back. I think I feel like what he's done
Speaker 7: in this back half of the season with such limited
Speaker 7: personnel has has been great all the time. I mean
Speaker 7: Sunday showed you that it hasn't been the lead, sure,
Speaker 7: but it's been good enough to where I think you
Speaker 7: want him back, Derek.
Speaker 5: Yes, I worry about it, And the only reason I
Speaker 5: worry about it is because I want him back. And
Speaker 5: that tells you the love of respect I have for
Speaker 5: him as a defensive coordinator. What he's done this year,
Speaker 5: I think, in getting this defense on track after the
Speaker 5: poor start, says to me that if you give him time,
Speaker 5: he'll make it work, and that means he'll have even
Speaker 5: more time if he goes into next year, he'll have
Speaker 5: a better contingent of players, because hopefully he'll have everyone
Speaker 5: healthy or at least have a few more options. Definitely
Speaker 5: at cornerback, they should hopefully get some more guys that
Speaker 5: they can roll out there if they need to. You know,
Speaker 5: I just think that everything thing right now is pointing
Speaker 5: up with a lot of these guys and with this
Speaker 5: defense overall, I don't want to short circuit that, and
Speaker 5: that's why I'm worried.
Speaker 2: I want him to be back.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd like I have not talked to Mike about
Speaker 6: this at all, so I'll be very upfront about that.
Speaker 6: I will say this though, that I do worry about
Speaker 6: him coming back. I do big Mike has got a
Speaker 6: lot of other interests. He's you know, he's a horse breeder.
Speaker 6: He's got a horse that's legitimly can run in the
Speaker 6: Kentucky Derby here soon. It's gonna take money to do that,
Speaker 6: So Mike probably wants to keep his shop as long
Speaker 6: as he can.
Speaker 2: But but I think for Costa Rica, Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think that Mike. I think that Mike is uh.
Speaker 6: I think Mike did the Jones is a favor here.
Speaker 6: I think he did Mike McCarthy favorite coming here. And
Speaker 6: you know, you know, and he's you know, he's helped
Speaker 6: some guys you know along the way. You look, what,
Speaker 6: maybe Al Harris got a little bit more experience working
Speaker 6: with Nick could not what could be better for dan Quinn?
Speaker 6: I mean, it's gonna be for Al Harris worked for
Speaker 6: with dan Quinn, work with Mike Zimmer learn a little bit,
Speaker 6: uh that way. I just but I would be concerned.
Speaker 6: I don't think this is necessarily This is my opinion.
Speaker 6: I don't think it's a slam dunk, you know. I
Speaker 6: think the Cowboys would you know, he's he did it
Speaker 6: as a favor and he showed up well, yeah early
Speaker 6: in the season. I can understand why they had some
Speaker 6: of the issues they have. We kind of went through
Speaker 6: that earlier. But I kind of feel like though that
Speaker 6: we need to keep an eye on that one. It's
Speaker 6: really really deeded too.
Speaker 5: How would you feel as an offshoot? How would you
Speaker 5: feel if if Mike decided he was going to walk away?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 2: And uh, and then Al Harris is the guy that
Speaker 2: they tap.
Speaker 6: You know what? But yeah, I feel good about Al
Speaker 6: because I think Al how's the respect to the players,
Speaker 6: and I think he knows what he's doing. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: think he knows what he's doing it and I would
Speaker 6: hope that the others that were here still in the
Speaker 6: staff would stay and because I think they have a
Speaker 6: pretty good group of coaches, you know, considering it was
Speaker 6: kind of a mesh of two staffs. But you and
Speaker 6: you could go out. There might be some other guys
Speaker 6: you want to you know, you want to go. I
Speaker 6: will say this though, there are some quality coordinators potentially
Speaker 6: aren't going to be on the market to Corneas. If
Speaker 6: you look at what happens Robert Sala, you know, do
Speaker 6: you do?
Speaker 2: You do?
Speaker 6: You make a point to go get Robert Sala and
Speaker 6: then let Al Harrison this group learn with Robert. Robert
Speaker 6: Salarr will probably want to bring some of these guys.
Speaker 6: But it's like Mike Zimmer wanted to.
Speaker 2: What he did out in San Francisco's pretty yeah.
Speaker 6: And then and then you know, Matt Eberflus is another
Speaker 6: one that you know the Bears. The Bears were playing
Speaker 6: play good defense. They were just trying to get their offense.
Speaker 6: They didn't have any offensive linemen and they couldn't. They
Speaker 6: lost a lot of tough games this year. But Matt
Speaker 6: Everfluce would be another one. They're going to be some
Speaker 6: quality defensive coordinators on the street that maybe you could
Speaker 6: you could say, you know, if Mike McCarthy gets an extension,
Speaker 6: maybe it is about Al Harris, you know, maybe that's like, Okay,
Speaker 6: I gotta got a couple of years now, and I
Speaker 6: can afford to deal with Al. But I think I
Speaker 6: would also want to talk to Robert Saling guys like that.
Speaker 6: If Okay, Derek, I'll go with you on this one, right.
Speaker 6: Can Tyler Smith be your next Zach Martin?
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't see any reason why not.
Speaker 5: I will say this, I don't think, if my memory
Speaker 5: is correct, I don't think at this point in his
Speaker 5: career he is as good as Zach was at this
Speaker 5: point in his career. I think when Zach came in,
Speaker 5: he immediately was great, like really great.
Speaker 6: Right off the bat.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Now, let's also put that in context. He was playing
Speaker 5: on an offensive line with some pretty great players, right.
Speaker 2: That helps.
Speaker 5: And I think right now Tyler is the best of
Speaker 5: this bunch, and I think there's a sizable gap between
Speaker 5: him and the next closest person, So I think that
Speaker 5: does kind of affect him as well. But No, I
Speaker 5: don't see any reason why he can't be an All
Speaker 5: Pro caliber every year every year, heading in the trajectory
Speaker 5: of Hall of Fame type player. But you know, he's
Speaker 5: got to do it obviously, But I think he has
Speaker 5: everything there in front of him.
Speaker 6: Tell me what about that? Do you think that that
Speaker 6: Tyler Smith could be your Zach Martin one day?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 7: And Derek took all the words that I was going
Speaker 7: to use he is out of my mouth. I mean,
Speaker 7: he's been your best offensive lineman this year. I think
Speaker 7: that his versatility is really valuable. If he's a guy
Speaker 7: that if you absolutely need him to play at tackle,
Speaker 7: he can play at tackle for you, and he can
Speaker 7: do it at a high level. And when you know,
Speaker 7: like you mentioned, he's been the best offensive lineman for
Speaker 7: Dallas this year, and I think he's made Cooper b
Speaker 7: b better. Yeah, because that's a guy who's, you know,
Speaker 7: for a majority of his time in college played in
Speaker 7: Tyler Smith's spot right guard, so he's you know, got
Speaker 7: to learn how to how to work the line, and
Speaker 7: he's done that pretty well this year. I think your
Speaker 7: left tackle still, you know, needs some time to develop,
Speaker 7: but again, having a left guard next to you like
Speaker 7: Tyler Smith is going to help with that as well.
Speaker 6: I agree with you. I think I think he's I
Speaker 6: think he's got the capability I mean, and I think
Speaker 6: he's got potentially the longevity, you know, And I think
Speaker 6: he's got the temperament. I think he's got the toughness.
Speaker 6: I think he's got the.
Speaker 2: Power, leadership, leadership offensive when you when.
Speaker 6: You talk to him after a game, it's well spoken.
Speaker 5: He's he's just good at giving the right information to
Speaker 5: media at the right time and portraying something for that
Speaker 5: offensive line of yeah him continue to fight like I.
Speaker 6: Think that's not really good. He does not sugarcoat anything.
Speaker 6: But he also is very, very thoughtful about the way
Speaker 6: he speaks. I appreciate that. Tommy, coming back to you
Speaker 6: on this one, what's your feeling on Jake Ferguson going
Speaker 6: into twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7: I think that you know, you certainly wanted to see more.
Speaker 7: There are some things that raise your eyebrow a little bit,
Speaker 7: but you also have seen what Jake Ferguson is at
Speaker 7: his best and what he can do for you when
Speaker 7: he's playing his best ball.
Speaker 3: So I don't think it's something that I'm going into
Speaker 3: the offseason.
Speaker 7: Thinking like, Okay, do you need to think about maybe
Speaker 7: taking another tight end or do you need to think
Speaker 7: about moving on. I don't think we're anywhere near that
Speaker 7: territory yet, but certainly something that you want to watch
Speaker 7: going forward. And my question with that too is is
Speaker 7: that a byproduct of you've got your backup quarterback playing
Speaker 7: the majority of the back half of the season. So
Speaker 7: the good news though, on the other side of that
Speaker 7: is we've seen a lot of good things from Luke
Speaker 7: scoten Maker this year. He's definitely taken a step forward.
Speaker 7: There were points this year whe were like and where
Speaker 7: does he fit in? Brevin spam Ford has showed you
Speaker 7: some good things when he's on the field.
Speaker 3: As well, so that is a good room.
Speaker 7: Linda Wells is a fantastic coach, so I'm not too
Speaker 7: worried about that room. And I think Dak Prescott coming
Speaker 7: back into the fold is going to make Jake Ferguson
Speaker 7: really the entire offense better.
Speaker 6: Boss Man, what are you thinking about Jake Ferguson going
Speaker 6: into twenty twenty Shives.
Speaker 5: I still love Jake Ferguson. I don't think this year
Speaker 5: was his best and that's okay. But one thing I
Speaker 5: will say is I think they got to figure out
Speaker 5: how to get him up feel more. Yeah, particularly up
Speaker 5: the seams. And I think that's something that I.
Speaker 6: Think Miss Jack.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, yeah, we do know that Dak Love
Speaker 5: he will use those and he'll take that shot and
Speaker 5: put it right where it needs to go because it's
Speaker 5: a scary throw to make very scary.
Speaker 2: But Dak's not afraid of that throw. But I do
Speaker 2: think that they.
Speaker 5: Need to get him a little bit more involved downfield,
Speaker 5: particularly up the seams. I think that's where Jake Ferguson
Speaker 5: goes from being just an average run of the middle
Speaker 5: tight end to being a tight end that really is,
Speaker 5: you know, a weapon.
Speaker 2: And I don't think we've seen a lot of that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I get it. I get to tap the breaks
Speaker 6: on the Kelsey's and the you know and the kittles
Speaker 6: and that I think.
Speaker 2: But that's a part of like he I don't know
Speaker 2: if he got Daniel's opportunities.
Speaker 6: Well, I tell you what I was like, Man, Jake Ferguson,
Speaker 6: he's gonna he's gonna be on the rise. You know,
Speaker 6: you're talking about the top five tight ends in the league.
Speaker 6: And yeah, he had injury with the concussions. He's one
Speaker 6: of the toughest guys and one of the best run
Speaker 6: after catch guys. But I think I'm not going to
Speaker 6: go into twenty twenty five with this massive amounts of
Speaker 6: expectations on it or put too much on him.
Speaker 2: Can I throw this edge?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: If they do what you want them to do and
Speaker 5: they go and get a bona fide second receiver that
Speaker 5: really is a one A, one B type receiver, do
Speaker 5: you think that makes Jake even better? I'd hope so,
Speaker 5: because I think part of this could also be there
Speaker 5: really aren't a lot of wide receivers that you have
Speaker 5: to pay attention to other than CD on this team,
Speaker 5: which allows teams to do some different things with Jake
Speaker 5: to try to take him out of the game.
Speaker 2: It's what you showed on that film yesterday. You got
Speaker 2: three guys around Jack Fergus.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you've got more wide receiver threats out there,
Speaker 5: that doesn't happen.
Speaker 6: Doesn't happen. No, not at all. And they and they
Speaker 6: they're going to double and they doubled him on the
Speaker 6: pick six. Yep, you know they said, no, you don't
Speaker 6: have a receiver that could pick Okay. My final question
Speaker 6: here for you guys is that let's see which one
Speaker 6: I want to get, because I got several of these. Okay,
Speaker 6: how about this, Derek, The evaluation of Jonathan Mingo is
Speaker 6: unfair because he's not playing with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 2: Fair.
Speaker 5: That is a great that's a I think a good
Speaker 5: analysis because I think if you look at the number
Speaker 5: of passes that he's gotten and where those passes have been,
Speaker 5: I would venture to say eighty percent of them or
Speaker 5: more have not been on target. They've been low, they've
Speaker 5: been too far outside, they've been too high.
Speaker 6: Not accurate, not accurate.
Speaker 5: He's just he's not getting good balls, and so for
Speaker 5: whatever reason, he's not getting good balls that play where
Speaker 5: he was opened downfield last week, although I, although I
Speaker 5: questioned the call on Think one to go down feel
Speaker 5: like that he beat his guy.
Speaker 2: He won the ball just wasn't put in the right place.
Speaker 2: But he beat his guy and he was opened town.
Speaker 5: I feel if that ball was on target, it may
Speaker 5: have been a touchdown. And so that's where I look
Speaker 5: at it, and I say I've seen enough from him,
Speaker 5: certainly as a really good blocker, but I've seen enough
Speaker 5: from him where I'm like, I want to go into
Speaker 5: next year and really get a good evaluation from him,
Speaker 5: because I think he might end up being your third
Speaker 5: wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Wins all said and done once you have Dack back.
Speaker 6: How about you, Tommy oh Man.
Speaker 7: I've talked about this about a million times since Jonathan
Speaker 7: Mingo got here, and in the press box in Philadelphia
Speaker 7: again this week, I'm like, man, when can this guy
Speaker 7: get a good ball?
Speaker 6: Right? The last time we talked about.
Speaker 7: He finally did, but he got that like twelve yard
Speaker 7: reception and I think I tweeted out I was like,
Speaker 7: that's the first past good pass that Jonathan Mingo's got
Speaker 7: a career. And then the next one he got was
Speaker 7: that on where the tales had a bounce. I'm just like, Okay,
Speaker 7: this poor guy.
Speaker 3: Let's get some help here.
Speaker 7: But no, it's not the first time also that he's
Speaker 7: won of one of those routes for sure. I think
Speaker 7: back to I think it was the first Philly game
Speaker 7: here in Dallas where he be it's his man down
Speaker 7: the sideline and Coop of Rush throws on the ball
Speaker 7: and it hits off of the defender's helmet and he's
Speaker 7: got them beat by you know a yard or two,
Speaker 7: it's like, okay, so, uh No, I don't think it's
Speaker 7: fair at all. And I think, I really think that
Speaker 7: Jonathan Mingo can give you something as a receiver, even
Speaker 7: if that is a primary role of being a lead
Speaker 7: run blocker. I think that's incredibly valuable. I mean, watching
Speaker 7: Monday Night Football last night, for example, you look at
Speaker 7: what Ben Johnson does with his wide receivers on the outside,
Speaker 7: blocking and making room for their running backs. Man, you
Speaker 7: can do the same thing with the Cowboys. With how
Speaker 7: good Rico Dawdle is shown you can be after the catch,
Speaker 7: and how good Cavante Turpin is after the catch. They're
Speaker 7: trying to get him the ball on the outside. A
Speaker 7: little bit more so, having a big body like that
Speaker 7: who can block off a corner and create running lanes,
Speaker 7: especially when it's the fastest guy in the NFL. If
Speaker 7: it's Turpin, it's valuable that.
Speaker 2: That's just to me.
Speaker 5: Then when you mentioned you know the Lions, it's to me,
Speaker 5: it's a case study in a coach creating a tough
Speaker 5: minded team, right, Like everything they do is tough minded,
Speaker 5: and we all we all laughed and joke when he's
Speaker 5: talking about bite, kneecaps and all that, like it was
Speaker 5: a joke, but the reality is and right, and the
Speaker 5: reality is he literally went in there and he was
Speaker 5: true about it. It wasn't like it was some fake
Speaker 5: you know whatever. He was true about it. And his
Speaker 5: team is like you watch them play, they are physical,
Speaker 5: they are tough, they are they fight like you can
Speaker 5: see the style of football they play being a direct
Speaker 5: reflection of what he said he was going to build there.
Speaker 2: And I think that's that to me, that's.
Speaker 5: A case study for any coach in football, Like you
Speaker 5: can build a tough program, you can build a tough team,
Speaker 5: you just gotta build it, and you got to build
Speaker 5: it with the right mindset and whatever he did to
Speaker 5: get to that point, they really need to be studying
Speaker 5: that because there's a lot of teams in NFL that could.
Speaker 2: Use that level of toughness. I agree, we're gonna take
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Speaker 6: So draft season will be fully honest and no place
Speaker 6: better than this platform to find all the information.
Speaker 2: All right, great, all right, let's get to the next quest.
Speaker 5: The next question was Joshua Harkins ask, what or who
Speaker 5: are you guys really hoping to see in next week's game?
Speaker 5: Talking about this week's game at this point as we
Speaker 5: start looking ahead to the offseason.
Speaker 6: Everybody getting up after every play. Yeah, that's the most
Speaker 6: important thing. That's the most important thing to me right now.
Speaker 6: I know you you know there's people talking about wins
Speaker 6: and losses. You always want to try and win. If
Speaker 6: they win, great, if they lose, you know whatever. We'll
Speaker 6: get to the draft show next Tuesday, that kind of thing.
Speaker 6: We'll do autopsy on Monday, draft show on Tuesday. But
Speaker 6: I just want everybody to get up. You don't need
Speaker 6: a major injury the last time, the last game out.
Speaker 6: You just don't. Because these guys, it's the timetable, the
Speaker 6: availability for next year, especially, you know, like a key player.
Speaker 6: But you know, these guys are going to play hard.
Speaker 6: You know, are they good enough to beat the Commanders?
Speaker 6: They were a few weeks ago, but this this is
Speaker 6: a little bit different. The Commanders are kind of on
Speaker 6: a roll right now. Commanders might be a team of
Speaker 6: destiny the way that they've been winning games. You know,
Speaker 6: that might be this playoff team that you don't want
Speaker 6: to have to face. So be very cautious with their players.
Speaker 6: You need to finish out strong if you can. But
Speaker 6: just please let everybody get up after every play. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's the most important thing to me. YEA, yeah, that
Speaker 6: would be number one for me too. I'd just for
Speaker 6: the sake of having a different answer. I think you
Speaker 6: see what Trey Lance can give you this game.
Speaker 7: I think that Cooper Rush has proven to you that
Speaker 7: he can be a backup quarterback that wins games if
Speaker 7: he's called upon. He's done that in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 7: He's done it this year. He hasn't beat the Eagles,
Speaker 7: that's his kryptonite, but he can still come in and
Speaker 7: he can win games for you if you need him.
Speaker 7: You traded a fourth round pick for Trey Lance, and
Speaker 7: correct me if I'm wrong, guys, but I still don't
Speaker 7: know what the Cowboys have in train Lance yet. So
Speaker 7: in this game, especially if you've got the Commanders who
Speaker 7: are along the thought line of hey, let's just go
Speaker 7: ahead and get ready for a round one of the playoffs.
Speaker 7: Let's just you know, maybe give Jayden and Daniels a
Speaker 7: quarter or a half just to keep him warm, and say,
Speaker 7: everybody else, I think Cooper Rush has shown you enough
Speaker 7: to show that he can be a backup quarterback.
Speaker 3: But what do you have in Trey Lance?
Speaker 7: Is this something that you can continue to develop and
Speaker 7: continue to work on for the future.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was really and I was gonna say, I
Speaker 5: think that's a fair set thing to say. We don't
Speaker 5: know what they have in Tree Lance.
Speaker 2: They know what they have in trade.
Speaker 5: And here's the other part that I've been I heard
Speaker 5: somebody say this. I want to say it was on
Speaker 5: one O five, Dout three the Fan. It might even
Speaker 5: been on your your show, Brian g Back. I heard
Speaker 5: someone say, is it a possibility that maybe they know
Speaker 5: that Trey Lance is maybe better than what everybody else
Speaker 5: thinks he is, and maybe they want him back and
Speaker 5: putting him out there is kind of like what you
Speaker 5: do in the preseason.
Speaker 2: I said that, Did you say, Okay, yeah, maybe that's it.
Speaker 5: Like you put him out there and now you've got
Speaker 5: bidders this offseason when he's a free agent, whereas you
Speaker 5: don't put him out there, maybe you have an opportunity
Speaker 5: to sign him back at a modern price as a
Speaker 5: backup quarterback.
Speaker 6: I said that. I said, I was interesting. You said
Speaker 6: monorit price, and you're right, I used to work cheaper price.
Speaker 6: You know, maybe that if all sin Trey Lance plays
Speaker 6: and has success, people might look at him a different light.
Speaker 6: Like listen, Mike, he was the first round picking. Maybe
Speaker 6: people say, well, Colley, you know, the only tape they
Speaker 6: have of Trey Lance is from preseason. That's the only
Speaker 6: tape they've got on him. Dallas has practiced him every
Speaker 6: day for two weeks or for two years. Now, Dallas
Speaker 6: might think, you know, I just think that they're kind
Speaker 6: of positioned themselves, like we need a backup quarterback. We
Speaker 6: think enough for Trey Lance. We're probably going to move
Speaker 6: on from Cooper Rush, but we need our backup quarterback
Speaker 6: not to cost us five million dollars like he's cost
Speaker 6: us right now. We need to cost one million dollars
Speaker 6: and maybe they can fill Now. I've said that before
Speaker 6: and people have come at me on Twitter X and said, hey,
Speaker 6: uh well, why if they're not going to play for
Speaker 6: that reason, he shouldn't come back. Might not have a choice. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, people might be, like you said, might not
Speaker 6: want to Cowboys. Kind of maybe I think the Cowboys
Speaker 6: are not playing him for the chance to get him
Speaker 6: back cheaper as a backup next year. I really do
Speaker 6: believe that something about all.
Speaker 2: Right, we appreciate you guys joining us. Man, We've had
Speaker 2: a great year with you guys.
Speaker 5: Even though the product on the field may not have
Speaker 5: been when we all on it, we've still be a
Speaker 5: great year. We've had a good time, and so we
Speaker 5: appreciate you guys joining us. It's always great when we
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Speaker 5: to heart and we really do try to improve on
Speaker 5: them every single day.
Speaker 2: So thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5: We'll be heading into the off season this next week
Speaker 5: and we'll continue doing what we're doing this offseason. A
Speaker 5: lot of things that will change for the Cowboys this
Speaker 5: year this off season, so we'll be covering all of.
Speaker 2: That and give you our thoughts on all of that,
Speaker 2: but until Thursday. We won't be on tomorrow. We'll be
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