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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Professor of Penn podcast, David Pen,

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Speaker 1: episode number two forty three, coming to you on September thirtieth, thirtieth,

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Speaker 2: I know are voting for Democrats, but they ain't down

430
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Speaker 2: with this nonsense. They ain't down with dancing on people's graves,

431
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Speaker 2: they aren't down with communism. They're down, They're they're stuck

432
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Speaker 2: in a paradigm from their grandparents and their great grandparents

433
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Speaker 2: where the Democrat Party was something different than it.

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Speaker 1: I think they called that ancestral democrats. I mean, the Polsters,

435
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Speaker 1: I don't they call it. I think that's what ancestral,

436
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Speaker 1: what Richard Barris called it when he was on I

437
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Speaker 1: think in cl legacy, maybe that's what it was. Democrats

438
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Speaker 1: like you know, and then there's people like me and

439
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Speaker 1: told your thought. You know, I was brought up in

440
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Speaker 1: a communist family. I mean, that's just the fact. And

441
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Speaker 1: then I just looked at the facts, starting when my

442
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Speaker 1: parents took me up to the Prairie Island Nuclear Reactor,

443
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Speaker 1: which is just north of here, just north of Saint Cloud,

444
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: when it was being built, it was like nineteen seventy.

445
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Speaker 1: My mother was out protesting nuclear power, and I said, why, right,

446
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: why what are you having against the light bulbs? You

447
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: know what, what what's the deal? Can you explain this

448
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: to me? Sure? And my mother was so mad at me,

449
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Speaker 1: but you know, so for me, I just I mean,

450
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Speaker 1: but that's the beauty of our country. We all have

451
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Speaker 1: the ability so far to think and feel as we

452
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Speaker 1: are uniquely created to do. But going back to this

453
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Speaker 1: third epiphany about these legacy people in your in your life.

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Speaker 2: Right, So it occurs to me that the current dicotomy

455
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Speaker 2: between the Republicans and the Democrats, because it's unquestionable that

456
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Speaker 2: when you've got Barack Obama, you've got a former President

457
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Speaker 2: of the United States coming out making these types of statements, right,

458
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Speaker 2: you got Tim Walls, of course, the governor of the

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Speaker 2: state coming out making these types of statements. Clearly institutionally,

460
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 2: the Democrat Party has been captured by this insanity, right,

461
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Speaker 2: And so for the time being, yes, of course it

462
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Speaker 2: is us versus them right now, it is.

463
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Speaker 1: But that's not sustainable. We can't maintain that.

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Speaker 2: Like thinking generationally, which is something that modern day Americans

465
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Speaker 2: are not good at, right, Like we think in terms

466
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Speaker 2: of what's happening next quarter, what's happening next than in

467
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Speaker 2: the next four year election cycle. We need to start

468
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Speaker 2: thinking fifty one hundred years in the future, like what

469
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Speaker 2: is our country going to look like when we're in

470
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Speaker 2: the ground and it's our great grandchildren who are running things,

471
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Speaker 2: and this tension that currently exists can not persist or

472
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Speaker 2: the country's going to fall apart. And so our long

473
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Speaker 2: term mission, the short term mission is absolutely they need

474
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Speaker 2: to be defeated. They need to electorally, they need to

475
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Speaker 2: be utterly decimated to what end, though not just so

476
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Speaker 2: that we can claim victory and have this cathartic shorten

477
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Speaker 2: Freud and be like, look at us, we did it,

478
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Speaker 2: so that we can set the stage to invite those

479
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Speaker 2: who remain on their side, on the Democrat side, back

480
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Speaker 2: into the American project. We need to lift up within

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Speaker 2: their ranks people who are committed to restoring JFK's Democrat Party, right,

482
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Speaker 2: Hubert Humphrey's Democrat Party. Guys who despite the fact that

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Speaker 2: they may have held views that I don't personally agree with,

484
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Speaker 2: and that we're still gonna have disagreements, They're going to

485
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Speaker 2: be meaningful, profound, important disagreements, but they're disagreements on methodology.

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Speaker 1: Not goals.

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Speaker 2: Right, The goal is how do we how do we

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Speaker 2: have a freer society, how do we have prosperity, how

489
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Speaker 2: do how do we make make America great again?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Like the very fact that MAGA is considered a controversial

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Speaker 2: statement and is used as an insult or some sort

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Speaker 2: of you know, demeaning label. Really like we can't come

494
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Speaker 2: together on the idea that America should be great, seriously,

495
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Speaker 2: Like that's offensive to you. And it is because the

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Speaker 2: controlling forces within the current Democrat establishment are not interested

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Speaker 2: in America being great. They're interested in dismantling it. And

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Speaker 2: I know this because I've sat in committee hearings where

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Speaker 2: they bring in students to argue for ethnic studies, which

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Speaker 2: is just all that is, is the curriculum of critical

501
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Speaker 2: race theory put in our schools, and they parade example

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Speaker 2: after example on the testifying stand of students who have

503
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Speaker 2: been fully indoctrinated and to the idea that because I'm

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Speaker 2: a white male, therefore I can't understand what's going on

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Speaker 2: in the world, and I need to keep my mouth

506
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Speaker 2: shut in order to make space for everybody else to

507
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Speaker 2: tell me how oppressed they are. And that was described

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Speaker 2: in committee by one of my colleagues, and she was

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Speaker 2: lauding it. She was like, Oh, isn't this wonderful. We've

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Speaker 2: seen examples of how exactly did she phrase it. We've

511
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Speaker 2: seen examples of resistance, We've seen examples of activism, and

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Speaker 2: I came back to that and I said, that's not

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Speaker 2: what the public education system is for. I don't want

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Speaker 2: a public education that produces resistant activists. I want a

515
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Speaker 2: public education system that produces productive citizens, people who are

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Speaker 2: ready to go out into the world and make something

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Speaker 2: of themselves, make something of their communities, and contribute to

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Speaker 2: this nation of ours, which is in fact the greatest

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Speaker 2: nation that we've ever seen on the face of the

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Speaker 2: earth and throughout history. That's what our goal should be.

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Speaker 2: And my point here is that we are at a

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Speaker 2: point where the two sides, the two parties, don't have

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Speaker 2: the same goals. They have completely conflicting goals. That's not sustainable.

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Speaker 2: You cannot have a nation divided, which is essentially what

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Speaker 2: we have at this point. We are living through a

526
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Speaker 2: soft civil war and it is manifesting in these episodes

527
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Speaker 2: of violence. And Charlie Kirk's assassination is only one example.

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Speaker 2: We've seen several and before, frankly of this type of

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Speaker 2: left wing terrorism that's taking place. But more fundamentally, it's

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Speaker 2: not just the yet. Do we need to prosecute the perpetrators, Absolutely,

531
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Speaker 2: do we need to follow through on the way JD.

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Speaker 2: Vance and Donald Trump have been talking about we're going

533
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Speaker 2: to dismantle these organizations. We're gonna defund them, We're going

534
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Speaker 2: to prosecute the organizers. We're gonna treat them like the mob. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: we need to do that, but the long term solution

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Speaker 2: is to address culturally the fact that there are people

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Speaker 2: in that camp, and I would like to think they're

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Speaker 2: the majority.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who they are being suppressed.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've felt suppressed over the past few years,

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Speaker 2: and we have been in terms of like our speech

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Speaker 2: being curtailed, YouTube, demonetizing channels, you know, people losing their

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Speaker 2: jobs because they won't take a vaccine or whatever the

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Speaker 2: case may be. There's been real suppression against us. But

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Speaker 2: I think what we've been blind to is the fact

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Speaker 2: that there are people on their side who have also

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Speaker 2: been suppressed, and to an extent, it's been worse for

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Speaker 2: them because they can't even complain about it, right if

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Speaker 2: they stick their head above there.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting, That is an interesting comment. I hadn't thought

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Speaker 1: about that. But of course all cultures demand compliance and

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Speaker 1: complicity ours does too. I mean, I've been a victim

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Speaker 1: of it in the Republican Party. So this is just

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Speaker 1: the my cultures function. But I do want to say,

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Speaker 1: you know, the the incubator of this is the universities.

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Speaker 1: I mean that you were talking about students coming and

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Speaker 1: giving testimony. Well, there's a reason why it's students. You're

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Speaker 1: talking about curriculum. It's the educational process. If we're looking

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Speaker 1: down range and you think about, well, who has the

560
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Speaker 1: you know like me, I mean I'm working every day

561
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Speaker 1: with the sweat of my brow to earn my daily bread.

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Speaker 1: Who has the time and the space to project fifty

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Speaker 1: or one hundred or five hundred years into the future,

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Speaker 1: to try to envision an endpoint for society and then

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Speaker 1: put in process those structures and organizations and institutions which

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Speaker 1: bring forth their endpoint. Well, you know it's very wealthy people,

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Speaker 1: and that they have they can set up the incubators,

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Speaker 1: the special you know, the special organizations, the think tanks,

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Speaker 1: the NGOs, the you know, the the incubators of these ideas,

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Speaker 1: and then those people that get trained there get a

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Speaker 1: position at the University of Minnesota or Harvard University. I

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Speaker 1: mean there's a network of this, Like if you get

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Speaker 1: a job. My father taught at university for fifty years

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Speaker 1: here's what was his experience. In his responsibility. He had

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Speaker 1: six hours of work week. His his work week mandatory

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Speaker 1: was six hours, four hours of classroom, two hours of

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Speaker 1: office time for students. So that's what he had for

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Speaker 1: a responsibility. The rest of the time he was free

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Speaker 1: to work on anything he wanted to. And see, we

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Speaker 1: don't understand the people that are out there, you know,

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Speaker 1: driving a truck. I mean they really, I mean, we

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Speaker 1: just got to understand these people are funded and our

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Speaker 1: thinking downrange. And it brought to mind an Italian communist

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Speaker 1: named Graham Sheet who's been dead for over one hundred

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Speaker 1: years but talked about got to take over the academic institutions. Yep,

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Speaker 1: and he put in process thinking down range. And there's

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Speaker 1: two ways. You can be super rich and not have anything.

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Speaker 1: You got time on your hands. I mean, if you're

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Speaker 1: you know, so it's interesting, they're the same but a

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Speaker 1: little different. You know, you can be completely poor and

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Speaker 1: have time on your hands to think downrange. And here

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Speaker 1: we are, decades and decades later, in our academic institutions

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Speaker 1: are just incubators and manufacturing facilities for leftism. And so

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Speaker 1: I've been for example, I've been complimary to Representative Rarek

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Speaker 1: because she stood up and said, there's over two thousand

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Speaker 1: people at university that make more money than the governor.

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Stopped? No, No, we can't stop. We can't.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is why I'm pushing people, because if

599
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Speaker 1: we really want to get to this and solve it,

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Speaker 1: what you're saying is we can't con And this is

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Speaker 1: not the first time we've been polarized like this. Usually

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Speaker 1: what brings us back together is a tremendous blood letting.

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Speaker 1: Like this kind of polarization existed before the Civil War,

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Speaker 1: It existed before World War Two. I don't know, let

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Speaker 1: people know that, but there was a very similar polarization

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Speaker 1: just before the war. Lots of assassinations, lots of violence,

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Speaker 1: lots of strikes. World War Two. Hey, half a million

608
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Speaker 1: Americans die in five years. Hey, fourth turning, we get

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Speaker 1: to the first turning, we start all over again. So

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Speaker 1: for me, the goal is how do we get through

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Speaker 1: this transition with the least amount of death? Because I

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Speaker 1: am from the culture of life, right, so I'm looking.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I think in reference to what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: it's the schools, and you know, I've had other legislators

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Speaker 1: on here. I won't mention their names. When I bring

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Speaker 1: up the schools, they shrink back. Now, I don't talk

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Speaker 1: about our teachers like that. I got great teachers in

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Speaker 1: my district. Okay, maybe there's great, there's great everything. But

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Speaker 1: the output, the some of the output is we're looking

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Speaker 1: at the evidence, aren't we. Well, that's actually a great example.

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Speaker 2: Right, So, because I could say the same thing, sincerely, genuinely,

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Speaker 2: I've got great teachers in my district. I've got great

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Speaker 2: administrators in my district. But you know what's interesting is

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Speaker 2: that the conversations that the reason why I know they're

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Speaker 2: great is because I've had private conversations with them behind

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Speaker 2: closed doors where they say things in whisper tones, having

627
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Speaker 2: to look.

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Speaker 1: Over their shoulders. Evidentially yes.

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Speaker 2: And that's what I'm talking about, is there are people

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Speaker 2: that are trapped in this system who don't go along

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Speaker 2: with the madness. But they're not in a position because

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00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: of where they've found themselves or where they're institutionally where

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Speaker 2: they can't be me. They can't go on YouTube and

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00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: you know, shout down the madness because they'll lose their job,

635
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Speaker 2: they'll lose their standing, and they got to pay the mortgage. Right,

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Speaker 2: that's a real consideration. I don't begrudge people for having that,

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Speaker 2: But my point is, if that's the situation, then America

638
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 2: is at stake. It doesn't fundamentally exist in order for

639
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Speaker 2: America to be a thing people have to You know,

640
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Speaker 2: you live in freedom. You know you live in liberty

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Speaker 2: when you're not afraid, right, when you're not afraid to

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Speaker 2: say what you believe, when you're not afraid to pursue

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Speaker 2: what you believe in your best interest is the thing

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Speaker 2: you should be pursuing. When you're not afraid to live

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Speaker 2: your life according to your own values, that's when you

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Speaker 2: know you're living in liberty. And I think inherently Americans

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Speaker 2: across the spectrum.

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Speaker 1: Have this.

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Speaker 2: Voice in the periphery of their mind that's letting them

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Speaker 2: know you are not free. You're not free to speak,

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Speaker 2: you're not free to express, you're not free to be

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Speaker 2: who you want to be and to live how you

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Speaker 2: want to live, because if you do, you're going to

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Speaker 2: face consequences, and they're going to be unjust social consequences.

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Speaker 2: We talked earlier about the cancel culture. Right, there's this

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Speaker 2: whole conversation out because so many people have been losing

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Speaker 2: their jobs over the last couple of weeks about.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you're right wingers.

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Speaker 2: You were complaining about cancel culture for so long and

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Speaker 2: now you're the ones who are doing it. And as

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Speaker 2: Matt Walsh says, there's a fundamental difference. There's a fundamental

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Speaker 2: difference between losing your job because you said something normal, decent, true, righteous,

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Speaker 2: normal saying, versus losing your job because you said something abhorrent, heinous,

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Speaker 2: on American and evil. And yes, we can tell the difference.

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Speaker 2: Don't tell me that you can't tell the difference that

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Speaker 2: it just depends on the point of view saying that

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Speaker 2: somebody deserved to die because what they think is an American,

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Speaker 2: plain and simple. It is heinous, it is evil.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what is it? I mean you're saying it's an American? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what is it? What is it? Because I've I said, okay,

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Speaker 1: we got two orders at conflict with each other, and

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Speaker 1: you're saying no because you default again to the issue

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Speaker 1: of morality. M hm. Okay, So we're saying. What I'm

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Speaker 1: hearing you say is that we as Americans have an

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Speaker 1: agreed upon cultural expectation about what is moral and good. Yes,

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Speaker 1: what is this other ideology? What is it? Can you

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Speaker 1: name it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean it's I guess, in a word, woke. Right,

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Speaker 2: it's the idea that I've said for a long time.

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Speaker 2: You know, back when I had a radio show back

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Speaker 2: in the day, I used to talk about the dueling

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Speaker 2: cultures in America and that there's a culture of gratitude,

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Speaker 2: which is the vast majority, and then there's a culture

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Speaker 2: of grievance, which is smaller but much more influential. And

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Speaker 2: the culture of grievance is these are people who wake

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Speaker 2: up angry every day. They wake up angry every day

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Speaker 2: and ready to take on the system and dismantle the institutions.

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Speaker 2: And they form organizations in order to affect that because

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Speaker 2: they sincerely believe that they're oppressed by the United States

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Speaker 2: of America and by Western civilization and by our way

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Speaker 2: of doing things, by our ordered society.

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Speaker 1: They feel that that's oppressive.

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Speaker 2: The family's oppressive marriage is a press of the patriarchy,

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Speaker 2: like all these things that they talk about.

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Speaker 1: But these Walter, you know, we're kind of dancing around

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Speaker 1: this a little bit, because you said earlier this was

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Speaker 1: the greatest Christian revival you've ever seen. Probably in human history. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: and these moral these moral precepts come out of a

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Speaker 1: religious frame. So what I'm just going to say is

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Speaker 1: they are oppressed by that religious frame from their perspective.

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Speaker 1: I'm not being relativistic about it. I'm very clear about

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Speaker 1: what I believe. But I know why they feel the

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Speaker 1: way they feel. And I've been in plenty of classrooms

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Speaker 1: listening to this for a very long time. My point being,

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Speaker 1: they're ordered in their thinking, and what they're driving to

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Speaker 1: end is the very moral foundations of America. They're not

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Speaker 1: after America because if we lose all the the right

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Speaker 1: is defeated, because it isn't it's an existential fight. So

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Speaker 1: we lose, America is still there, still the United States

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Speaker 1: of America. What's going to go away is Christianity. In

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Speaker 1: my opinion, I think that's what this whole thing. I've

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Speaker 1: never viewed Marxism as an economic strategy. I thought that

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Speaker 1: was always a cover story. I view it as an

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Speaker 1: anti God strategy, because you know, religion is the opiate

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Speaker 1: of the masses. They're looking to free the people from

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Speaker 1: what they believe is the illusion of faith in God.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to just say it straight up.

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Speaker 1: Now there's a risk here, of course, organizing their own religion,

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Speaker 1: but we're organized our own religion, so let's quit dancing around.

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Speaker 1: There are certain things going on. They're organized. They have

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Speaker 1: a religion. It's called woke. It's organized, has all the

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Speaker 1: hallmarks culturally of a religious system, but it's secular. So

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Speaker 1: it slipped into our governance, slipped into our universities because

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Speaker 1: the framers of this country were so badass they said, hey,

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Speaker 1: freedom is freedom, keep it if you can, okay, And

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Speaker 1: it slipped in one of the most American of pretenses,

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Speaker 1: that I believe this, and that I am free to

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Speaker 1: believe it, and I'm free to work at the university

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Speaker 1: or work at the high school believe in it, and

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Speaker 1: my views are just as valid as your views. And

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Speaker 1: we sat there, particularly in Minnesota because of the unique

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Speaker 1: nature of Minnesota culture, and said, yeah, hey, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm good with that, because hey, you're not going to

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Speaker 1: tell me what to think, and I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: tell you what to think. But what did we find out?

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Speaker 1: They are telling us what to think, even down to

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Speaker 1: if we if you disagree with us and you're a threat,

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Speaker 1: something's going to come out of the muck and meire

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Speaker 1: and kill your ass. So now what we have to do.

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Speaker 1: I think as Republicans, and I don't necessarily mean it

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Speaker 1: as Republicans the party. I mean Republicans people that believe

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Speaker 1: in them all are believe in human freedom, believe in

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Speaker 1: the protection of minority rights, believe that we're sovereign citizens.

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Speaker 1: The things that brought you into politics based on previous

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Speaker 1: conversations that we had, we got organized now. I mean

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Speaker 1: we you know, there's a political conversation here. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these issues are great to talk about and love talking

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Speaker 1: about them, but you know, can you be a general?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's one thing to be an elected representative.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just laying it out there. You could say, no,

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Speaker 1: that's not my role, but I'm saying I want. What

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Speaker 1: I want now is the candidates and the elected representatives

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Speaker 1: to organize our communities to be the focus that brings

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Speaker 1: young people into political activism, political education of their peers,

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Speaker 1: their friends, their children, their parents, so that we can

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Speaker 1: really because you're talking about a sustainable, long term cultural change,

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Speaker 1: politics is just a barometer of cultural change. Yes, we

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Speaker 1: need and we had this awful event and you know,

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Speaker 1: my feeling haven't lived through the sixties, a little bit

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Speaker 1: older than you, and we're not down with this because

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Speaker 1: I I was live when Kennedy was shot, Malcolm X

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Speaker 1: was shot, Martin Luther King was shot, and then Bobby

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Speaker 1: Kennedy was shot. And at the end my generation said,

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Speaker 1: bleep this get We're out and we went out and

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Speaker 1: just tried to avoid anything controversial, make money, chase women,

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Speaker 1: get high, have a good time. Begin My generation is

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Speaker 1: the most idealistic. We were such an idealistic generation. We

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Speaker 1: were in the streets fighting for human freedom, fighting for

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Speaker 1: peace and prosperity, civil rights, human rights. We four quick

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Speaker 1: assassinations in five years, and everybody said, we're out, and

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Speaker 1: so what are we going to do this time as

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Speaker 1: this mounts? To help people have the courage because that

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Speaker 1: time there was no Christian revival. I mean, it's going

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Speaker 1: to tell you that was a very secular time in

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Speaker 1: our country. But now we have this revival. How I mean,

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Speaker 1: can you perceive what? Can you see a role maybe

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Speaker 1: not for you, but for other legislators, other candidates that

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Speaker 1: every time they walk up to the microphone, you know

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Speaker 1: you can be involved in politics. Let me tell you

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Speaker 1: how and try to bring people in to political participation

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Speaker 1: in the So we have forty one hundred precincts in

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Speaker 1: this state. I'm going to tell you as a party member,

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Speaker 1: they're not staffed and they're not active. So we really

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Speaker 1: don't have the means to get out the vote of

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Speaker 1: the low propensity Republican voters. We don't have a We

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Speaker 1: have a structure, but we don't have the mechanism. We

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Speaker 1: don't have the boots on the ground. And if we're

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Speaker 1: going to really do this, I mean sustainably long term

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Speaker 1: cultural change, we need to have something happening in forty

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Speaker 1: one hundred precincts. And I think people like you that

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Speaker 1: have the microphone, we talk a lot about issues. Now

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Speaker 1: we know what the issues are. We just laid it out.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of us versus them, isn't it kind of

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Speaker 1: in a way, is that what we're saying.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think the point that I was

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Speaker 2: trying to make earlier, Yes it is. But I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to reframe who us is and who them are.

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Speaker 1: Okay, once we get the battle line drawn, and I

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Speaker 1: don't mean this in a violent way, I mean in

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Speaker 1: a political right. I let me just say this, if

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Speaker 1: you're watching Walter because you don't like them, and on

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Speaker 1: your left. I'm totally steeped in the Constitution. I believe

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Speaker 1: that self defense is my right. I'm trained in it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to tell you the most fundamental nature

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Speaker 1: of self defense is the best way to win a

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Speaker 1: fight is don't be there when it happens. So I

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Speaker 1: don't want any fighting. I want us to talk to

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Speaker 1: each other. But let's define this, continue to find it.

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Speaker 1: Then I want to come back to how do we

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Speaker 1: Then you saw what happened there? Yep, wasn't there an

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Speaker 1: let's talk about these young peop real quick.

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Speaker 1: Tanner Tanner, my producer, Thank you, Tanner. Tanner's talking about

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Speaker 1: something that's very fundamental here, which is we want to

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Speaker 1: got to buy your t shirts from some buy I'm

854
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: from Free People. See, we're trying to monetize. We're just

855
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: not very If he hadn't reminded me, I would have forgot.

856
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: Because what I'm most focused on is this fifteen hundred

857
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: year plan. I was actually in a room in nineteen

858
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: sixty nine at the university with a handful of academics

859
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: that were high players there where they made a fifty

860
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: year plan to turn this state communist. I was in

861
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: the room. I was young. I wasn't part of the conspiracy,

862
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: but I was a witness to it, and they pulled

863
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: it off because no one was paying attention. Now everybody's

864
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: paying attention. Now, let's define who these groups are. And

865
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: I want to try to come back to could you

866
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: please be a general? Is that an important thing for

867
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: me to say to you? Or do you understand where

868
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm coming from?

869
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 2: No, it's not only do I understand. I wholeheartedly agree.

870
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: And it ties into what we talked about the last

871
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: time I came here to have a conversation. You may

872
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: recall I talked about the necessity to have a center

873
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 2: of gravity that pulls all of our factions together in

874
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 2: the party. Right, And that's true within the Republican Party.

875
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: It's also true culturally.

876
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: Right. We need our leaders, we need.

877
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: Central figures who can speak into the moment. I mean,

878
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,959
Speaker 2: you just listed off all the ones who were assassinated

879
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 2: in the nineteen sixties, right, there's a reason why they

880
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 2: were targeted. It's because they commanded this center of gravity

881
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: that brought people that led that said this is the

882
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: way things are now. It's disordered. This is where we

883
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: need to go and come with me if you want

884
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 2: to live right. We need that again today and the

885
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 2: responsibility does fall upon folks like myself and positions of

886
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 2: elected office and candidates who are seeking elected office.

887
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: But it goes beyond that. We all have a ministry.

888
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: We all have a sphere of influence.

889
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 2: Business, family, education, wherever you find yourself, the healthcare, wherever

890
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 2: you find yourself, you have a sphere of influence. And

891
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 2: you could be a general in that sphere of influence.

892
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 2: In order to drive this conversation forward. The second point

893
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: that I want to make in response to what you

894
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 2: were saying earlier, you tried to nail it down to

895
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: what the fundamental conflict is, and you defined it as

896
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 2: God versus anti God. Like basically, this is just a

897
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: continuation in the garden of Eden, right, This is just

898
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: a continuation of the rebellion the next chapter, right, And

899
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 2: I agree with that wholeheartedly. However, when people hear that,

900
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 2: people who aren't believers, people who are secular Americans who

901
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: nonetheless agree with the American project, who have signed on

902
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 2: to that social contract that we were talking about earlier,

903
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 2: who want to live in a decent society where they're free,

904
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 2: they'll hear something like that and they'll think, oh, dear Lord,

905
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 2: these theocrats, right, these Christian nationalists talking about how it's

906
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: all about God. Well, listen, you have nothing to fear

907
00:53:53,600 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 2: from Christianity being the moral basis upon on which your

908
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 2: society is founded, because what Christianity recognizes. Go read If

909
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 2: you've never opened your Bible, I'm not asking you to

910
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 2: come to an altar call, right, I'm not asking you

911
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 2: to go to church. Just it is an academic exercise

912
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 2: as a philosophical text, right, Go read Romans one all right.

913
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 2: In Romans One, the Apostle Paul says that the power

914
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 2: of God and his attributes are evident based upon the

915
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 2: things that have been made.

916
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: What that is a reference to. It's a theological concept

917
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: called general revelation. And what it means is that what

918
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 1: is tells us evidence what is true.

919
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: It's basically what Paul was laying out there is what

920
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: Isaac Newton and Einstein and every scientist whoever came after

921
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: built upon, is that the world is what it is.

922
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 2: A is a like Aristotle was talking about this stuff, right,

923
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 2: A is a The world is what it is, and

924
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 2: it is you can discern right from wrong based upon

925
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: what has been made, So you don't have to believe

926
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 2: in God. You don't have to give your life to

927
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 2: Christ to recognize that fundamental, which is that the things

928
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 2: work the way they work. If you let your kid

929
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 2: play in a four lane highway, there's likely going to

930
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 2: be an accident. If you let them jump off your

931
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 2: roof with an umbrella, thinking that they're gonna just kind

932
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: of like glide down Poppins.

933
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 1: Right there. You did though when I was a kid,

934
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: So that's where you're still there. There are certain things

935
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: that just are, They're just real, they're just true.

936
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 2: And that's so I think it's important to say that

937
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: because I don't want people to think and this whole

938
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: Christian nationalists meme nonsense. That's that the left comes at

939
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 2: us with we are we are not, you know, with

940
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 2: apologies to my to my Muslim friends.

941
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: We are not on some crusade to like conquer through force.

942
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 2: Right, we're gonna we're gonna take over the land and

943
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 2: impose our our religious worldview on you. What we're saying

944
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 2: is that we honor our God, we recognize him as

945
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 2: our creator.

946
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: We we dedicate our lives to him. But what that.

947
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 2: Translates to in the real world is real world thinking.

948
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 2: It translates to logic, reason, science, service, sir, Yeah, all

949
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 2: all the things that are fundamentals of the American project.

950
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: And so.

951
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 2: What we're what we're prescribing here, there's nothing threatening about it.

952
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 2: It's an invitation to join us, be part of this.

953
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 2: You don't have to agree with our religion, you don't

954
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 2: have to agree with every little plank and platform of

955
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: what it is that we have on offer, but you

956
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 2: should be able to agree with certain fundamentals, one of

957
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 2: them being we value life at least enough, at least

958
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: enough to not dance on each other's graves.

959
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: And isn't it interesting? And that's the lynchpin of the

960
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: argument going back to nineteen seventy three. You have to

961
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: say to yourself, who was so smart as to pick

962
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: that to break our society into two camps? Because my

963
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: mother talk about my mother a lot lately. She's getting

964
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: older and communist to and active, and she ran the

965
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: Democrat Party in Saint Paul for years. Player got a

966
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: law degree, one of the first female graduates of the

967
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: University of Minnesota Law School, and used that not to

968
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: make money. She used that law degree as a weapon

969
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: to bring about societal change, which is another thing we

970
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: don't understand too well. Out here in the street. There's

971
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: a lot of lawyers that just practice their true and

972
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: they're not held in high regard because of how they

973
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: do it. And there's a lot of lawyers that are

974
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: very ethical and wonderful people, and I know some of them.

975
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: But there's another group that wheeled that law degree like

976
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: a cudgel with the intent of bringing the system down.

977
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: Or you don't understand. You understand it because you're a legislator.

978
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: You see it up close and personal. But my mother, man,

979
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: I just had a conversation with her very recently about this,

980
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: and you know, for her, she sees it. She's very

981
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: educated and very smart. She sees what's happening as a woman.

982
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: She will ride this ship down into the bottom of

983
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: the sea over a woman's right to choose abortion. And

984
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: she actually said to me that grievance thing. She said,

985
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: you're a white man. You'll never understand. And I said, Mom,

986
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: you're calling me a white man. What kind of scam

987
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: is that? You know who I am, you know who

988
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: we are. We're not white. If they come the white

989
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: people come rounding up, folks, Hey, blacks and jew is

990
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: going to go together off to the camps. So why

991
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: you talk to me like this? But see that ideology

992
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: is so hardwired in her. She wants to maintain what

993
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: she believes. Because we're talking about cultural life. Now you

994
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: started this thing off, we're going to just agree that. Well,

995
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: you know, when you take it out at its fundamental place,

996
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,919
Speaker 1: when you say that God is no longer the master

997
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: of life and death, but men and women are, you've

998
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: really kicked out one of those fundamentals. So downstream fifty

999
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: years people are dancing. You know. It kind of makes

1000
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: me mad, actually because I actually say, and this is

1001
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: going to be CONTROVERSI people are going to like it.

1002
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: You know, women, I recognize your right, but you also

1003
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: have to recognize the cost of that right is far

1004
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: beyond beyond an individual child. It has coursened our entire

1005
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: culture in a loud death to replace what was a

1006
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: culture of life. And you have to be old enough

1007
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: to remember when it was a culture of life, because

1008
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: if you're fifty or younger, you have no idea what

1009
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:14,919
Speaker 1: it was like. Now. Was there oppression? Suppression was their problems. Yes,

1010
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: every choice has an outcome that has a benefit and

1011
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: a cost. There are benefits, perceived benefits, not the least

1012
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: of which is the liberational women. That's a great I mean,

1013
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: women have been liberated. They're not property. So I know

1014
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: where my mom's coming from. But where it became crystallized

1015
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: the cost of this policy. People are dancing on the

1016
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: grave of Charlie Kirk and telling me that he deserved it. Man,

1017
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: that's a high cost to pay. Got a cost benefit

1018
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: analysis here. And the other thing about faith, I want

1019
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: to say, why do people believe it's good for you?

1020
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: If you don't believe. If you're watching because you hate Walter,

1021
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: you hate me, and let me tell you if you

1022
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: never tried it, Okay, you talk about something you don't

1023
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: understand because faith is a process that if you don't

1024
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: give over to it, you don't get the benefits. So

1025
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: you'll never know the effect that's had in healing my

1026
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: life or possibly Walter's life, because I was a sinner.

1027
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: I mean I was raised in the faith, but hey,

1028
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: you know what, I went off and did whatever I

1029
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: wanted to for a long time and said, WHOA, this

1030
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: isn't working. I'm seck, how am I going to get

1031
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: my well being back? Well? I defaulted to what I knew,

1032
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: So you don't know the benefit. You just don't know

1033
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: the benefit if you don't believe. So I urge people

1034
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: when Walter says, read romans, just do it as a

1035
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: philosophical exercise. Take Matthew and Mark read them as philosophical

1036
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: treatises that you're trying to understand what is the philosophy

1037
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: of because as Walter said, and I agree with you,

1038
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: you don't have to believe in God. In fact, the

1039
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: Chinese have a system which Tanner understands because he's a hunter.

1040
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: It's called the natural way. The natural way, you're talking

1041
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: about how things just reveal themselves in nature. What are

1042
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: great scientists like Isaac Newton and Einstein we're revealing studying

1043
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: how does this thing work? Because there's laws to it.

1044
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: There's a natural way. And when we get away from

1045
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: the natural way, Hey, you can make water run up hill.

1046
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: Takes a pump, right, okay, But eventually the pump breaks,

1047
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: you run out of gas, and the water keeps running

1048
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: on downhill. There's a way things work. And what we're

1049
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,959
Speaker 1: doing in our society right now is we're making water

1050
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: run uphill and it's very costly, it's very damaging, and

1051
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: what are we trying to accomplish so let's go back

1052
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: to what are these groups. Let's get this thing. I

1053
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: want to. I want to, I really, because you're dealing

1054
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: with these people. See when we're out here consuming social

1055
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: media or just talking with our friends, Hey, we're not

1056
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: really in the trench. That's entertainment. You're in the trench

1057
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 1: with this. It's a job for you. And when you

1058
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: fight with something, you understand it. So help people really

1059
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: understand it, because we got all these armchair people, you know,

1060
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,919
Speaker 1: pissing and moaning on social media, but they're not really

1061
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: in the fight like I'm in the fight. I'll tell

1062
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: you a funny story. I almost saw you this past Saturday.

1063
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: You didn't come to the game. I was there, Okay,

1064
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: I heard you were coming. Don't say anything, none of

1065
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Speaker 1: our business. But I'm going to tell you what happened

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Speaker 1: to me when I went down there. I'd been down

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01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: there several weeks earlier for a group put on by

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Speaker 1: the American Pact that vic urns runs down there. There

1069
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: was more protesters there than there were attendees of the event,

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Speaker 1: and that really shocked me because there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of I mean there was a lot. There was more

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Speaker 1: protesters than attendees and then I went down there again

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Speaker 1: into CD six, where you live and where you practice?

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Speaker 1: And I felt it. I felt the intense amount of

1075
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:14,919
Speaker 1: money coming in from the outside to change CD six,

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01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: really to get rid of Tom Emmer, who has I've

1077
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,919
Speaker 1: been a brutal critic of Tom Emmor, and I thought, man,

1078
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: wait a second, slow down, slow down, look at what

1079
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: this man is facing. I'm viewing him as a threat,

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01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: and they're putting millions of dollars up to get rid

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Speaker 1: of them. Let's define these groups. Yeah, because now I'm

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01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: seeking unity within my group, and there're gonna be people

1083
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: that hear this. They're going to say, you know, I'm

1084
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: selling out. No I'm not. I'm going to fight tooth

1085
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: and nail for what I believe to the endorsement to

1086
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: the primary. The day after the primary, if they're on

1087
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: that ballot with an R, I'm door knocking for him.

1088
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: And if we don't get that attitude, Houstavida can't stand right.

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Speaker 1: So let's go back. I'm telling you I learned something

1090
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: being you know, you got to be in the fight,

1091
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,919
Speaker 1: you gotta be threatened, you gotta be engaged to really

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01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: feel it. And I learned so much so I want

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01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: to thank Patty Williamson for putting that event on and

1094
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,919
Speaker 1: me going down. It was the I think they called

1095
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: it the establishment for the Rhinos versus the loons. Yes,

1096
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: it was cute because Patty was trying to bring people together. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know there's an old Arabic saying me and my

1098
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: brother against my cousin, Me and my cousin against a stranger.

1099
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: So I got some people in the party that are

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Speaker 1: calling them cousins as a stretch. But compared to what

1101
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: we're dealing with now, people shooting people and celebrating the death.

1102
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: Oh hey, hey, okay, now, so if you're a nationalist

1103
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: and you're listening, let's get this right now, what's going on,

1104
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: Let's get it right. Let's change with the times, the times,

1105
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: make the warrior, let's evolve this whole podcast why I

1106
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: ask Walter on as I fall with social media, and

1107
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: he made statements about personal evolution. He talked about an epiphany.

1108
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm having an epiphany. Are any of the rest of

1109
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,919
Speaker 1: you getting this out there? That this is epiphany time?

1110
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: And if we don't have an epiphany, we're lost here.

1111
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: Because those folks they're united, they're on task, they're well funded,

1112
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: and they're still in control of all the institutions. We

1113
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: got President Trump up there, that's great. Are they still

1114
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: in control of Minnesota Governance Representative Hudson? Could you let

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01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: everybody know what you're facing when you go back into session.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm facing an entrenched at this point,

1117
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,959
Speaker 2: I call it a racketeering scheme. I mean, we saw

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Speaker 2: and I don't want to go down the rabbit hole

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Speaker 2: necessarily right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to take you go ahead, okay.

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Speaker 2: Well, just as an example of how it functions, we

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01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 2: had the US Attorney Joe Thompson and come out last

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Speaker 2: week with an announcement of eight new indictments regarding fraud

1124
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 2: related to the Housing Stabilization Services Program, and he had

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Speaker 2: he made several remarkable statements. He said things like, our

1126
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 2: waiver Medicaid programs are basically just fraud programs. He said

1127
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 2: that the vast majority of the money that we are appropriate,

1128
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 2: that we're taken from you, taken from tyre get, taken

1129
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 2: from our neighbors, taken from the viewers in Minnesota, is

1130
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Speaker 2: going to fraud. That's why, that's where it's going. And

1131
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 2: he said things like we're never going to be able

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01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 2: to prosecute our way out of this problem, which is

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01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 2: another way of saying injustice shell stands just too much

1134
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 2: of it. You're right, Yeah, there's people who are just

1135
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 2: who's going to get away with.

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Speaker 1: What the US attorney was saying is that the fraud

1137
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: is so wrapped into our governance that if he got

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01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: up every morning and worked twenty four hours a day

1139
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: with the staff of hundreds, they couldn't get to all

1140
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: of it. That's literally what he said. That's just crazy,

1141
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: isn't it. He yeah, that, you know. And then and

1142
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: then that begs the question which is really starting to

1143
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: bother me because and I don't want to say it's

1144
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: a super an isolated group of people, because I'm going

1145
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: to tell you, when I see one group getting prosecuted

1146
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: over and over again, you know, if that starts to

1147
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: look to me like a cover up of other people

1148
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: that are doing the same thing. Because this is when

1149
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: when he said, he's basically saying, it's everywhere, all the time.

1150
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: So we we have this focus now on new citizens

1151
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 1: in our country that are exploiting the citizens that are

1152
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: exploiting the system very effectively, by the way, and I'm

1153
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: starting to wonder just in terms of that group, where

1154
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: is that money going? Is this organized at a level

1155
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: that's way beyond what anybody's talking about, because we're not

1156
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: talking about a few bucks and a billion dollars in

1157
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 1: a small civil war goes a long way, you see that.

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Speaker 1: I am personally convinced that.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know the full like all the high

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01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,759
Speaker 2: resolution details, but I've been exposed to enough, both officially

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01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 2: and unofficially, Both both in terms of things like Joe

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01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: Thompson coming out and saying the things that he said,

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Speaker 2: and also anecdotal conversations with folks in the community. I'm

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01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 2: personally convinced that we in Minnesota are victims of an

1165
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 2: intentional racketeering operation. That was that it has been intentionally

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01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 2: constructed and orchestrated by high level Democrats in order to

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Speaker 2: maintain their power. You know, we often talk about, you know,

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01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 2: why do people keep voting for people like Tim Wallas,

1169
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 2: Why do people keep voting for Democrat legislative majorities. Well,

1170
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,560
Speaker 2: it's because they've put their thumb on the scale, and

1171
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 2: this is one of the ways in which they've done

1172
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 2: it is through these this this convoluted, sophisticated fraud campaign

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01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 2: to both buy loyalty, right, like, come with us and

1174
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 2: you'll get rich. Right, that's a pretty strong motivator. But

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Speaker 2: then also we expect to cut like we wink, wink,

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01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 2: not nod. We expect you to get back. Yeah, absolutely got.

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Speaker 2: We expect you to contribute to our campaigns and to

1178
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:10,600
Speaker 2: get your people to vote for us and what have you.

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Speaker 2: So you know you talk about you asked the question

1180
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 2: of let's define the groups. Right, let me offer some context.

1181
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 2: I what I observe over the course of history, American

1182
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 2: history in particular, is that we set up our laws,

1183
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 2: you said earlier, and it's a great insight, and I

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01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 2: agree one hundred percent that to the extent that you're

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01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 2: a moral person, or more broadly, to the extent that

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01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 2: we're a moral society, we don't require a bunch of laws, right,

1187
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,560
Speaker 2: Like if people are just good people, if it's Mayberry,

1188
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 2: you don't need to have all sorts of regulation in.

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Speaker 1: What peop bullet. Yeah, exactly right.

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01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 2: But what happens is we construct our laws in response

1191
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 2: to the to our perception of where society is at.

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01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 2: And then people take a look at that landscape and

1193
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 2: they say to themselves, how can I take advantage of this,

1194
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 2: How can I take advantage of the liberties that are

1195
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 2: provided by this society so benevolently in order to take

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01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 2: advantage of my fellow man and engage in criminal enterprise.

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Speaker 2: And one example of that was the mob, right, the

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01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 2: mafia so very similar, I believe to what we're seeing today.

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Speaker 2: Where you have an immigrant group that comes in, they

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01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 2: bring their culture with them that has at some level,

1201
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 2: it's not the entirety of their culture, but it's a

1202
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 2: part of their culture. Where they had this mafia system

1203
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 2: right where they're engaged in organized criminal activity and you

1204
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 2: kick money up to the guy upstairs, and that's the

1205
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 2: way we do things. They brought that to America and

1206
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 2: they utilized they took advantage of the state of our

1207
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 2: laws at the time to do things like two guys

1208
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 2: sitting across a table. Right, you're the boss, I'm the henchmen.

1209
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 2: You say something like, you know, I think it's time

1210
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 2: for Tanner to take a vacation. Right, you haven't said

1211
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 2: what we both know you mean, right, And then I

1212
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 2: act upon that, And then if I get caught, you're

1213
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 2: completely insulated.

1214
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Speaker 1: I didn't tell them to do that. I didn't I

1215
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:25,719
Speaker 1: didn't do it. It wasn't me. I didn't pull the trigger.

1216
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 1: You're only it's only illegal if you get caught. Yeah,

1217
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: that attitude is not based in a moral frame. That's

1218
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: based in a completely different worldview.

1219
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 2: And what we recognize and the way we pushed back

1220
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 2: against organized crime and the mob is we recognize that

1221
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 2: that was what was going on, and so we had

1222
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 2: to alter our laws and alter our approach to to

1223
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 2: legal mechanisms and concepts in order to respond to the

1224
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 2: fact that people were taking advantage of rubbernevolence. They were

1225
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 2: taking advantage of the liberties that we provide in this

1226
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 2: country in order to affect evil, in order to affect death,

1227
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,640
Speaker 2: in order to affect chaos in the streets. And so

1228
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 2: what we said was, we're going to come up with

1229
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 2: this thing called RICO, And what we're going to do

1230
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 2: is if if you are an associate of an organization

1231
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 2: and that organization, a member of that organization commits a

1232
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 2: crime and we can establish that there was a conspiracy there,

1233
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 2: every single person involved is going to get charged with

1234
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 2: the same thing. And you sitting there telling me it's

1235
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,560
Speaker 2: time for Tanner to take a vacation, are going to

1236
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 2: face the exact same responsibility that I am. It's the

1237
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 2: exact same accountability that I'm going to face for having

1238
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 2: pulled the trigger. Right, there's a similar need in the

1239
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 2: here and now in response to what we're seeing from

1240
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 2: the left. For years, we have watched, as you mentioned,

1241
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 2: we have watched as these organizations that are proceeding under

1242
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 2: the auspices of political activism and public service. Yeah right, nonprofits,

1243
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:04,879
Speaker 2: political organizations, campaign organisations have been orchestrating and materially providing

1244
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 2: support for the burning of Minneapolis, the burning of the

1245
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 2: Third Precinct.

1246
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 1: You know.

1247
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 2: Oh, just so you know, like the way that conversation,

1248
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 2: the Boss Henchman conversation happens today is we really want

1249
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:20,719
Speaker 2: you to guys to take to the streets.

1250
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: Wink.

1251
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 2: And by the way, if you happen to notice a

1252
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 2: palet of bricks on the corner, they're just there case

1253
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 2: fid a use for him?

1254
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: Right, And this is coming from the most senior seats

1255
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: in the Democrat Party. I just saw Jamila Priopaul from

1256
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: I think Washington, she's the leader of the House Minority Caucus,

1257
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 1: and who say that it's time to go to the streets. Yes,

1258
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 1: that's exactly it. I just tweeted about that this morning.

1259
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: Oh you did. Okay, so there we are. You know,

1260
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,600
Speaker 1: that's the great thing about social media. We see it

1261
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: and we can respond to it. Yeah, but that's just.

1262
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 1: And then people are saying, and this is true. After

1263
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: the Charlie Kirk thing, there was no rioting, no burning,

1264
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: no killing, no revenge killings. What does that say about

1265
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: that moral frame of the Christians. Well, what it says

1266
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: to the outsider or the newcomer is they're soft. They

1267
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 1: can be exploited. You talked about these groups come in. Well,

1268
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: there's also a you don't have to look at things.

1269
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,759
Speaker 1: I tend to want to look at things three hundred

1270
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: and sixty degrees. I'm not giving up what I believe,

1271
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: but I like to know how things happened. I speak

1272
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: about it from the Jewish perspective. My family came here

1273
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 1: in the thirties, twenties, thirties, forties, lived in a ghetto,

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Speaker 1: couldn't get a job, wouldn't be hired, couldn't even have

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Speaker 1: their doctors practicing in the hospitals. Intense discrimination. What he

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Speaker 1: ended up doing called the Jewish mob because there was

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Speaker 1: nothing available to these people. They wanted the American dream,

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Speaker 1: they came for the American dream, but there was no

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Speaker 1: effort to incorporate these into the American dream. They were

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Speaker 1: actually pushed aside, which of course the young strong bulls say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's the game you're going to play. We're going to

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Speaker 1: rob you, and then they study the laws to exploit them.

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Speaker 1: We have this on the international stage with the Chinese.

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Speaker 1: The Chinese, I can say from personal experience, study our

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Speaker 1: laws to exploit them, not to follow them. If I

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Speaker 1: read a law, I read it to be in compliance

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Speaker 1: with it, because I'm an American citizen and I believe

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Speaker 1: in our constitution. But I'm going to tell you when

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Speaker 1: you make a lot of laws that I'm reading, and

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Speaker 1: I'll call this, it can curve out the other way,

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01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: where the laws become oppressive, start to not work any

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Speaker 1: We're in a spot, is what I'm trying to say.

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Speaker 1: So would this reset we're talking about figuring out who

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Speaker 1: these people are and how we're going to look down

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Speaker 1: range fifty to one hundred years from now. I think

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Speaker 1: the critical thing. I'm going to say it back to

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Speaker 1: you because you would have said that same thing to me,

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Speaker 1: because we have that in common. A moral and just

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01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:04,839
Speaker 1: people do not need an oppressive governance, their self governing.

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Speaker 1: That is the whole essence of the philosophy of republicanism,

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Speaker 1: and that constitution and declaration is the embodiment of a philosophy.

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Speaker 1: It's the opera, opera opera. It's operating, it's putting into

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Speaker 1: operation ideas, philosophical ideas, and making them into governance. And

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01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:29,640
Speaker 1: it's broken down. Now people need governance because we've removed

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01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 1: that internal compasses. An experiment going back to progressive education,

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Speaker 1: and I just look at it and I say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I was a progressive. I was grew up in a

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Speaker 1: communist household. I'm just looking at the evidence. Hey, if

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01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: you're on the left, is this working for is this

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01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: really working for anybody? And the answer is no, it's not.

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Speaker 1: So the left and the right, the far left and

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Speaker 1: the far right, have the almost identical diagnosis of the problem.

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Speaker 1: We just differ in the solution, but the diagnosis of

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Speaker 1: this problem, which is a corruption of our institutions. Nothing

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01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 1: wrong with the institution. It's the people. It's about the people.

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Speaker 1: It's about what the people are taught, who's teaching them,

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Speaker 1: what are they teaching them? That That's where I'm coming.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I had Phil Parish on here and

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01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: I said, Phil, I'm a political activisty. I don't like

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Speaker 1: that word. You're an educator. Okay. What we need is

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Speaker 1: what I think we need is less issues and more

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Speaker 1: education on what we can take as steps as American

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Speaker 1: citizens to change this culture. And you're a leader, and

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Speaker 1: I think your leadership is growing. You've stepped you've had

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Speaker 1: an epiphany. Okay, now that you have the epiphany, what's

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Speaker 1: your next step? Where are you headed with this? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I could tell you I'm a I

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Speaker 2: like to consider myself to be a pretty quick learner.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: I've only been in the legislature that I've been through

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Speaker 2: three sessions at this point, and I've spent a lot

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Speaker 2: of that time my outspoken nature, and notwithstanding believe it

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Speaker 2: or not, I've been a relative wallflower like legislatively in

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Speaker 2: terms of just kind of sitting back and watching how.

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Speaker 1: The process works, learning the system, learning the system.

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Speaker 2: And you hear all this talk about you know, we're

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Speaker 2: a one big, happy team and you got to be

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Speaker 2: a team player, and YadA, YadA, YadA. One of the

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Speaker 2: things that I've noticed on the other side, my Democrat colleagues.

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Speaker 2: It's not their team players who get what they want.

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Speaker 2: You look at the Queer Caucus, which that's what they

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Speaker 2: call themselves. I'm not demeaning them by calling them that,

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Speaker 2: the posse caucus people of color, right. The Emma Greenman,

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01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 2: who's widely regarded, She's spoken of in the halls and

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Speaker 2: the corridors of the Capitol. Her nickname is the terrorist

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Speaker 2: in terms of how she conducts herself through the legislative process.

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Speaker 2: Omar Fatah, who on the second to last day of

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four legislative session, shut the entire Senate

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Speaker 2: down because he wanted to get his Uberbrille passed.

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Speaker 1: All of these people get what they want. They are

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Speaker 1: rewarded for going rogue.

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Speaker 2: Now I look at that and I don't necessarily come

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01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 2: away with the conclusion that that's what I need to do,

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Speaker 2: that it's a good idea for me to just recklessly

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Speaker 2: throw my colleagues under the bus in order to make

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Speaker 2: some sort of point or to try to push something

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Speaker 2: in particular. But what it does show me is that

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Speaker 2: there is a dynamic in the legislature where leadership can

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Speaker 2: be unassigned, it can be organic. You can lead simply

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01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 2: by standing up and doing the thing, and people will

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Speaker 2: follow that tendency or that that decision. That methodology can

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Speaker 2: be used constructively or can be used counterproductively. I want

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Speaker 2: to use it constructively to be able to to and

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Speaker 2: I already have in the past couple of weeks in

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Speaker 2: terms of the things I've been saying. The mere fact

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Speaker 2: that I'm willing to come on your show. I've done

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Speaker 2: a number of other podcasts and at Alphnus this week

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Speaker 2: as well, where I'm willing to sit here and say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's just one giant racketeering operation like the Democrats are.

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Speaker 1: I'm convinced.

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Speaker 2: And look, I qualify it with I don't know this

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Speaker 2: for an absolute provable fact, but it is my personal

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Speaker 2: conviction based upon everything that I've been You.

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Speaker 1: Said it quite well. We just had related it. What

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Speaker 1: you said was if we're sitting around in a room,

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Speaker 1: right the boss, he doesn't have to say anything, he

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Speaker 1: just has to sit there, and if you don't say no,

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Speaker 1: it's yes.

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Speaker 2: And in the legislature there's this tendency, and part of

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Speaker 2: it is just like the way the institution new structure,

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Speaker 2: because you can't speak to personalities, you can't impune motives

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Speaker 2: that we have to kind of dance around these things.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: We can't cut we can't take the acts of the

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Speaker 2: route and say, listen, buddy, I know what you're doing

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Speaker 2: and I know why you're doing it. Right, But I

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Speaker 2: can say that literally anywhere else, right, I can say

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Speaker 2: that in public. And I feel as though we have

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Speaker 2: been nipping at the edges of this problem, like when

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Speaker 2: we talk about fraud, it's trying to figure out like

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Speaker 2: like we're talking about the mechanisms of the state agencies.

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Speaker 2: We bring in the state agencies to the Fraud Committee

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Speaker 2: and we ask them, well, what are you doing? What

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Speaker 2: mechanisms do you have in place in order to deal

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Speaker 2: with this problem? Which I'm not saying that's not a

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Speaker 2: worthwhile endeavor, but it doesn't cut to the heart of the.

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Speaker 1: Issue, which is what is the heart of the issue.

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Speaker 2: The heart of the issue is the person the mother

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Speaker 2: who signed up for tutoring services didn't get them, and

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Speaker 2: the person who conned her into signing up for them

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01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 2: is bill in the state for thousands of dollars and

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01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 2: going out and buying a BMW. That's the heart of

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01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 2: the issue. The heart of the issue is where who

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01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 2: taught these folks how to do what they're doing. You

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01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,759
Speaker 2: expect me to believe that, as US attorney Joe Thompson

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01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:25,560
Speaker 2: said on Day one, within a couple of years, you

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Speaker 2: had hundreds, hundreds of completely fraudulent companies set up, many

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Speaker 2: of them like two dozen to a building, all engaged

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Speaker 2: in just bill in the state and doing nothing.

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Speaker 1: Did they all like independently?

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Speaker 2: You expect me to believe that independently hundreds of people

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Speaker 2: decided that they were going to do that all the

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Speaker 2: same time and had the institutional knowledge to make it happen.

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Speaker 1: We're dancing around the edge of this thing again. So

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Speaker 1: what we're saying is what I'm hearing you say is

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01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 1: there was some kind of organization. And then when I

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Speaker 1: hear organization and I'm looking at billions, you know you

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01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 1: don't have to kick that much up to the local

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01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 1: boss to keep him happy. It's Minnesota. Afterwards, where's all

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01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:17,639
Speaker 1: that money going? Who organized this massive transfer of money

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01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: from Minnesota taxpayers? Yes? Where did it go? I mean

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01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, even myself saying that, I get

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01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: a little bit afraid because I know that I have

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01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 1: presumptions about this. I have presumptions about who organized it.

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01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 1: I don't have any evidence, right, and so all the

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Speaker 1: players intermediate get a commission for taking the money from

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Speaker 1: me and sending it somewhere for some purpose. So you know,

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Speaker 1: if I you know, look at this person, they bought

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Speaker 1: a BMW, that's not the issue. That's the symptom of

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01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 1: the issue. Where'd that money go? Who organized this? Who's

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01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: going to ask those questions? Because now we're getting down

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Speaker 1: into areas really, maybe it's just greed. I'd be happy

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Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, no, No, A couple billion dollars disappeared

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Speaker 1: into the pockets of really greedy people and they're living

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Speaker 1: large at our expense. Okay, I'd like to know that

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Speaker 1: if that's but a couple billion, Yeah, come on, you

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Speaker 1: finance armies with a couple billion dollars That finance is war.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that to be the case, but I'm

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01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 1: asking the question because you're going to go back into session. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And if I'm thinking this, I'm not alone. This is

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01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,919
Speaker 1: a giant slush fund. A lot of people got commission

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01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 1: moving this money around. Where'd the money go? That old

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01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 1: saying follow the money?

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01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, that's why I'm calling upon And I don't

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01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 2: know if she'll hear it or respond, but I've put

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Speaker 2: out a number. You know, I've been publicly calling on

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01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 2: Pambondi to get off her backside. Buy a second home

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01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 2: in Minnesota, you know, get a cabin on a lake,

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Speaker 2: enjoy yourself in the summer.

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01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 1: But by god, get to work. You can make your

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Speaker 1: career here.

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01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 2: You're never going to run out of people to prosecute,

1453
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 2: because this is endemic, it is systemic, and it is organized.

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01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 1: And indeed, you do need to follow the money. You

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01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 1: need to know.

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01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 2: It's not enough to determine and to prosecute. And that's

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01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 2: the thing is right now, the focus is well, who

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01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 2: did this and what did they do?

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Speaker 1: That is not enough?

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Speaker 2: What did they do with that money? Where did that

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Speaker 2: money go? Yeah we know some of it went to

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Speaker 2: vacation homes. Yeah we know some of it went to BMW.

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Speaker 1: Those are commissions.

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Speaker 2: But who were they contributing to politically? Who got political

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01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 2: contributions from these people? And you're probably going to have

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Speaker 2: to trace the cash through a couple of entities, through

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Speaker 2: a few entities in order to find out it went here,

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01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 2: and then it went here, and then went here and

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01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 2: then went here. And you might not be able to

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Speaker 2: draw a straight line because of the way things are

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Speaker 2: in the accounting, but you can make some implications, right,

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Speaker 2: and then those the places where it ends up, those

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01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 2: folks need to be under federal scrutiny.

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Speaker 1: Those folks need to be accountable, held accountable for being

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01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 1: the receivers of ill gotten gains. I mean, if you're

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01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 1: talking mafia, I mean they was followed the money which

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01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 1: took down a lot of those folks reco laws. But

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01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 1: I also want to say relative to Pam Binding moving

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01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 1: to Minnesota, which you know that's a metaphor y, but

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01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you why it's such an incredible metaphor.

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01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 1: I don't think even our elected representatives understand what Minnesota

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01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 1: really represents to worldwide leftism, worldwide, let alone American. This

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Speaker 1: is the incubator, this is one of the primary nodes. Yes,

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01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, and I tell this story, people think I'm crazy.

1485
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm that weird dude that reads the bills. Yeah, and

1486
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't that long ago that it looked

1487
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 1: like we were going to have four more years of Democrats,

1488
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: and I there was a federal bill, a federal election

1489
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:12,600
Speaker 1: law bill. Now, if you follow Amy clomachar like I do.

1490
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 1: Her normal bill is beautifying the Lake Superior waterfront, more

1491
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 1: air traffic controllers in small rural airports. She's very smart

1492
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 1: about what she does for her because she wants to

1493
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 1: be president. She ran for president. There was a bill

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01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 1: on federal election law had one sponsor, Senator Amyklobachar. I said,

1495
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, I want to read this. This is before

1496
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. This is when it looked like we were

1497
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 1: going into the sea in this movement. Not that long.

1498
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 1: People forget how dark it was when Bannon went to jail,

1499
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 1: when Navarro went to jail, when Trump was under indictment

1500
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 1: all over the country. It didn't look like we were

1501
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 1: coming out of this thing, right. And I'm podcasting thinking, whoop,

1502
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to the Gulag. And I want you to

1503
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 1: know that when you come on here, this is a

1504
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:02,680
Speaker 1: place where anybody that comes on, all your colleagues, they

1505
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 1: come on. I'm going to talk to them just like you, respectfully.

1506
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 1: I got my punted hat, and I got my news hat.

1507
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 1: This is my news interviewer hat. And I want all

1508
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 1: of everybody to come on here because we need these

1509
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: centers of gravity to emerge, and those of you that

1510
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 1: are listened. Remember what I said the day after that primary.

1511
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm door knocking for whoever's gotten our after their name.

1512
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:27,679
Speaker 1: Now not everybody feels that way, but see the times

1513
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 1: make the warrior, and I'm changing. I'm changing. We can't

1514
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: just fight each other twenty four hours a day, seven

1515
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:37,480
Speaker 1: days a week. There has to be a secession of hostilities.

1516
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 1: And this has always been this way. There's always been

1517
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 1: internal conflict. And then okay, me and my brother against

1518
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,600
Speaker 1: my cousin, my cousin against the stranger. We got some

1519
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 1: strangers in our mits. But this state. I was reading

1520
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 1: that bill and it was a thousand page bill, and

1521
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 1: I was about one hundred page into it, and I

1522
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:01,560
Speaker 1: was going, man, this is so familiar. Why is this

1523
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 1: so from It's Minnesota election law. Minnesota's election laws are

1524
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: the damn template for federalizing our elections. This is the center,

1525
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 1: This is the ideological center. So Pambody Bondy coming here metaphorically, man,

1526
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,799
Speaker 1: we need to draw our attention. We need to realize

1527
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 1: that if we can beat the left here in Minnesota

1528
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:34,520
Speaker 1: and turn this state back to the philosophy of republicanism,

1529
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 1: change our culture in the state. We took out their

1530
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 1: command center. It's the death Star, yep. And I don't

1531
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 1: know that we're all focused on that when we're all

1532
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 1: stabbing each other into the back. And I'm going to

1533
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 1: quit that and get my mind focused on making But

1534
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a Republican within our after your

1535
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: name and you're really a Democrat, you're not really helping.

1536
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:01,560
Speaker 1: There's two clear distinct groups here. Let's end with that.

1537
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 1: Let's get let's get these groups a little bit better

1538
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 1: defined from your perspective being in the ring with them.

1539
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 1: Because you're in a position to tell me you're fighting

1540
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: with them, What does it mean? What are we dealing

1541
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 1: with you?

1542
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I really haven't been fighting with my

1543
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 2: colleagues in the party in the caucus.

1544
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 1: I'm talking about not just within the caucus. I'm talking

1545
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 1: about the other side. I want to get these.

1546
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:31,599
Speaker 2: Two sure, sure, sure, So this is what I'll say

1547
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 2: is and I don't know if this is a direct

1548
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 2: answer to what you're aiming at or not, but it's

1549
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:40,600
Speaker 2: what pops into my head. Is that because I was

1550
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 2: an activist for a long time before I was an

1551
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 2: elected representative, right Like, I was doing this commentary stuff

1552
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 2: for years. I was writing for the David Horwitz Freedom Center.

1553
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 2: I was, you know, I had a radio show for

1554
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 2: three years. I've been around, I was in the Tea party,

1555
01:31:55,760 --> 01:32:00,120
Speaker 2: So I'm very very familiar with the activist mindset and

1556
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 2: the activist mindset. What I observe about it is that

1557
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 2: it's very much focused on kind of this inquisition of

1558
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 2: identify the rhino, kill the rhino metaphorically right like. And

1559
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 2: I think that that's the wrong approach, not just and

1560
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 2: I'm not just making like the oh team are we

1561
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:26,759
Speaker 2: all need to be one big, happy family argument because

1562
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 2: that doesn't work either.

1563
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:32,799
Speaker 1: Very clearly, what I've.

1564
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 2: Recognized, and Trump is the one who taught me this

1565
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 2: by watching him, you don't need to change everybody's heart

1566
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 2: and mind. What you need to do is you need

1567
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 2: to lift up key leaders that center of gravity, and

1568
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 2: everybody else is going to come along. Look at the

1569
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 2: second Trump administration. Look who who it's composed of.

1570
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 1: You got JD. Vans, who, like me in twenty sixteen,

1571
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:04,679
Speaker 1: was calling Trump a fascist.

1572
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 2: Okay, you've got RFK junior Democrat as they come, old

1573
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,680
Speaker 2: school Democrat, but Democrat. You got Tulsa Gabbert. She was

1574
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 2: a Democrat congresswoman she was a Democrat candidate for President

1575
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 2: of the United States. Marco Rubio, Marco Rubio, Marco Rubio,

1576
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:29,720
Speaker 2: the dude who in twenty sixteen he was part of

1577
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:31,559
Speaker 2: what the Gang of eight or whatever they called him,

1578
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 2: trying to do the amnesty and all that. And now

1579
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:36,640
Speaker 2: he's the Secretary of State and he's and he's you know,

1580
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 2: behind Trump, rah rah, maga, maga. Now does he feel

1581
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 2: that it is hard of hearts? I hope so, But

1582
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 2: it actually doesn't matter.

1583
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:49,560
Speaker 1: What he feels. What he believes is almost.

1584
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 2: Irrelevant because he's he's been drawn in by that center

1585
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 2: of gravity to the orbit of the leader who is

1586
01:33:57,320 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 2: showing him this is who's telling him this is the

1587
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 2: way we're going, and you're either coming along or you're

1588
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:04,760
Speaker 2: gonna be irrelevant. So I think the entire approach to

1589
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:09,840
Speaker 2: activism for folks who are frustrated needs to shift from

1590
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 2: this kind of candidate by candidate inquisition of what you know,

1591
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 2: how conservative are you and do you really believe this?

1592
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:17,560
Speaker 2: And are you sence here and are you genuine? Is

1593
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 2: first of all, it's never gonna work like you don't

1594
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 2: have kind of like what what Joe Thompson was saying

1595
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 2: you're not gonna be able to prosecute your way out

1596
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 2: of this. You're not gonna be able to primary your

1597
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:26,720
Speaker 2: way out of this.

1598
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 1: Okay, it's not gonna it's not gonna work. Center of gravity. Yeah,

1599
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 1: you need to find the people who are so dynamic

1600
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 1: and have the vision and draw everybody else to them

1601
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:44,560
Speaker 1: and pave the way. In other words, what you're saying is,

1602
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: it's not about ideological purity. It's about creating a center

1603
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:52,840
Speaker 1: of gravity where we all can rally towards. Which is

1604
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 1: and I think about it a little bit differently and

1605
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:58,520
Speaker 1: about my own role in it. We get so narcissistic,

1606
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 1: all of us about what we think. Actually, American Republicanism

1607
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 1: is a it's a giant system of organizing the human will.

1608
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 1: We all have this will. It's a it's politics is

1609
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,599
Speaker 1: about the human will. War is about the human will.

1610
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 1: Who's going to have the will to prevail? It doesn't

1611
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 1: mean we all have to have the same ideas. It's

1612
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:25,240
Speaker 1: about the system working in the direction that brings us

1613
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:31,680
Speaker 1: enhanced human well being, enhanced human economic prosperity. I mean

1614
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 1: that it's about well being and prosperity, life, liberty, and

1615
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 1: the pursuit of happiness, which, as you know, was originally

1616
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 1: written up as the pursuit of property. The property which

1617
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 1: was which is prosperity. And they just got a little

1618
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 1: bit soft on that. Ye for these well for political reasons.

1619
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:50,439
Speaker 1: But but but but you know, if we're if we're

1620
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:55,680
Speaker 1: heading towards enhancing human well being American citizen, well be,

1621
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:00,160
Speaker 1: we're back to the natural way. We're back to what

1622
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 1: works and what doesn't work. So we've taken a giant,

1623
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 1: hundred year experiment and something that's not working. That doesn't

1624
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:09,800
Speaker 1: mean anybody's bad. I mean, you have children. I have children.

1625
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:11,760
Speaker 1: They're crawling on the floor. They put everything in their mouth.

1626
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 1: It's an experiment. Hey kid, pull that out. He's going

1627
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 1: to kill you. We're doing things to our children and

1628
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 1: to our society which is going to kill it. If

1629
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 1: you want to maintain your freedom and your well being,

1630
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 1: we're going to have to let the times shape how

1631
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:33,160
Speaker 1: we function together. I'm not looking anymore for it, but

1632
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 1: I did say, up until the primary, it's bare knuckles

1633
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:40,680
Speaker 1: because I want my candidates to prevail. But when we

1634
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 1: get out there and it's go time, you know, there's

1635
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people that don't vote. We have

1636
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:50,479
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people that don't vote straight our ticket.

1637
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: We got the evidence from twenty four don't we right here?

1638
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:56,280
Speaker 1: So I'm going to say this in closing because thank

1639
01:36:56,320 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 1: you for coming in. I'm not saying everybody would say this,

1640
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 1: but for myself personally, I'm I'm I'm hurt that Royce

1641
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 1: White got two hundred and fifty thousand less votes than

1642
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:10,759
Speaker 1: Donald Trump did, which meant two hundred and fifty thousand

1643
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:15,280
Speaker 1: people that voted for Republican president for some reason thought

1644
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 1: Royce was not a good candidate for Senate. That's not unity.

1645
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 1: So I'm going to say that from my perspective my chair,

1646
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:31,479
Speaker 1: that disunity is not coming from people like me. Something

1647
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 1: to think about, because if we're going to unify, where

1648
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:37,840
Speaker 1: we unify, how we unify? Is that new center of

1649
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:41,759
Speaker 1: gravity that you're talking about. We need a new center

1650
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 1: of power of gravity which incorporates more people like the

1651
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 1: Christians that don't vote. Why don't they vote? How are

1652
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 1: we getting sold to that end? We've started a Christian

1653
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 1: outreach here at Free People Radio. We got all the

1654
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:59,559
Speaker 1: people in the cities. God, if we could get fifteen

1655
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 1: percent of the urban voters to vote with the Republicans

1656
01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 1: we want. Didn't we win if that happened? Yes?

1657
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:10,040
Speaker 2: But so in order to affect everything that you're talking about,

1658
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:13,599
Speaker 2: everything from you know, if you want to call them

1659
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,559
Speaker 2: the let's call them the country club Republicans, right, that's

1660
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 2: that two hundred and fifty thousand you're talking about, or

1661
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 2: the urban core or independence or same Democrats who need

1662
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:27,639
Speaker 2: to be rescued from the current status of their party.

1663
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:37,599
Speaker 2: You have to have a value proposition. And the crazy

1664
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:41,560
Speaker 2: idea that I'm operating under is, I think the value proposition,

1665
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:46,559
Speaker 2: and again I learned this from watching Trump. The value

1666
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 2: proposition is to take the established political narratives, ball them up,

1667
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:57,880
Speaker 2: and throw them in the trash. So, you know, issues

1668
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:02,360
Speaker 2: like abortion, immigration, what's another one that comes to mind.

1669
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 2: But you have these certain issues that everybody has their scripts.

1670
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 2: The Republicans have their script, the Democrats have their script.

1671
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:18,200
Speaker 2: It's very well worn. Everybody has the lines memorized, and

1672
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 2: they know how to fundraise off of it and they

1673
01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:23,360
Speaker 2: know how to campaign on it. Gun control that's another one.

1674
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:27,760
Speaker 2: And so what that does I mean we were talking

1675
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 2: about Rubio earlier, and you know this immigrant We've been

1676
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 2: talking about amnesty and immigration for years and years and years,

1677
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 2: the problem never seems to get solved, comprehensive immigration reform,

1678
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 2: which never happens. I believe it that we don't. I

1679
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:47,680
Speaker 2: believe both sides intentionally refuse to solve problems so that

1680
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 2: they can continue to read off those scripts.

1681
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:54,800
Speaker 1: Raise money off of them. Yes, yes, the industry of politics. Yes.

1682
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 2: And so my crazy idea is, what if we did

1683
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 2: Steve Jobs on this thing. What if instead of looking

1684
01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:05,680
Speaker 2: at the market, which is those scripts, and say what

1685
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:07,640
Speaker 2: do the people want? Well, the people want me to

1686
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:10,679
Speaker 2: talk tough about guns. The people want me to talk

1687
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 2: talk about gun control, like these two sides, instead of

1688
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:18,679
Speaker 2: looking at the market and what it wants today, Steve

1689
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:21,200
Speaker 2: Jobs says, I don't care what the people want. I'm

1690
01:40:21,240 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 2: going to give them something they don't know they want.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to solve their problem.

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Speaker 1: By redefining the whole conversation. That's exactly right. And so

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01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:35,840
Speaker 1: if you want to bring all these disparate groups together,

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01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:41,080
Speaker 1: whether it's within the party or outside, get independence, get

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01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 1: soft Democrats, or saying democrats is probably a better way

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01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:44,800
Speaker 1: to put it.

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01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:47,720
Speaker 2: We got to Steve Jobs this thing. We got to

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01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:53,920
Speaker 2: come up with policy proposals that shatter the paradigm. We

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01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 2: have to take those scripts, put them in the shredder,

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01:40:56,840 --> 01:40:59,720
Speaker 2: and start talking about things entirely differently, you.

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01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:02,720
Speaker 1: Know, had Richard Barrison, And we're going to have is

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01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:05,559
Speaker 1: it next week? Mark Mitchell's coming on from Rasmussen. Yes,

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01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm getting these posters on because they actually

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01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 1: have data and I want to learn from them. And

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01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 1: Barras said that there's four issues that pull great across

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01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:21,439
Speaker 1: the entire spectrum of American citizens. Medical freedom, economic freedom,

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01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:27,719
Speaker 1: religious freedom, and food freedom. Those four issues are unifying issues,

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01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:30,640
Speaker 1: and you know, I've been talking a lot about it.

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01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:32,600
Speaker 1: You know, I used to just say I'm practicing the

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01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 1: politics of human well being because of course I know

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01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 1: what that means for me. Everybody else looks at me goes,

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01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:39,080
Speaker 1: what the hell do you mean? Well, you know, the

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01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:42,760
Speaker 1: polling told me how to break that down, because what

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01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:45,400
Speaker 1: we want, all of us, I mean not all of us.

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01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 1: That's a cognitive distortion, because obviously we got nihilists that

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01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:51,360
Speaker 1: want to kill themselves. Yeah, but what most of us

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01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:55,120
Speaker 1: want is a long life of health and well being

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01:41:56,240 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 1: and economic freedom. That's what that's what we have want

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01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 1: on it traditionally for thousands of years, and that's the

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01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:10,800
Speaker 1: script in any policy. Anything that's going that doesn't feed

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01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:13,479
Speaker 1: into that. Hey wait a second, that's a whole new

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01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 1: set of issues, isn't it any old Walter. It was

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01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:18,760
Speaker 1: just great to have you, and we always have these

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01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 1: great I mean, our conversations are I hope you agree

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01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:24,720
Speaker 1: with me. I think our conversations are good. There's a

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01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:27,320
Speaker 1: reason I keep coming back. It's fun, isn't it. Yeah,

1727
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:30,200
Speaker 1: we have a good time. You're welcome to come back anytime.

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01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:34,120
Speaker 1: You know. I don't press on Walter because as he eluded,

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01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, there's some price for him to pay for

1730
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:39,160
Speaker 1: coming on here. But why look at it. I mean,

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01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:41,439
Speaker 1: come on, I'm just a nice guy. I want to

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01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:44,200
Speaker 1: get along with everybody. All of you need to come

1733
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:45,960
Speaker 1: on and we all need to talk. We all need

1734
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:49,680
Speaker 1: to have a new center of gravity, and we need

1735
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:52,360
Speaker 1: new media. And I'm trying to move free people in

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01:42:52,439 --> 01:42:55,160
Speaker 1: the direction where all are free to come. Even if

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01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:57,640
Speaker 1: you're on the left, you can come in here, be

1738
01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 1: happy to talk with you. No name calling, you know

1739
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:05,600
Speaker 1: when that's what we do. So thanks for coming in.

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01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 1: We wish you well. I want to go out by saying,

1741
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:10,680
Speaker 1: please remember tire. Get we need We need everybody to

1742
01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:12,559
Speaker 1: remember the next set of tires. You don't know how

1743
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:15,880
Speaker 1: many people walk up to me and say, oh my god, David,

1744
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 1: I just bought a set of tires. I forgot about you.

1745
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:21,160
Speaker 1: I said, great, thanks for hope you like them. So

1746
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:23,679
Speaker 1: please next time you need tires, your family needs tires,

1747
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:26,680
Speaker 1: your friends need tire. We're starting an affiliate program. If

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01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:29,240
Speaker 1: you go to support a target dot com, I'll get

1749
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 1: your business cards, get you your own promo code. You

1750
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:34,519
Speaker 1: can monetize with us. We'll pay you a commission for

1751
01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:38,120
Speaker 1: spreading the word, and we want it. We want that money.

1752
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:40,800
Speaker 1: As I say, I'm not a communist happy to get

1753
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:43,240
Speaker 1: rich doing this not my goal. Just don't want to

1754
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:47,479
Speaker 1: go broke right now. So please thank you for your support. Tanner.

1755
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:51,400
Speaker 1: Could you please get from Walter his socials. We found

1756
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:58,320
Speaker 1: out that Walter Congratulation just breached one hundred thousand YouTube followers,

1757
01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:02,320
Speaker 1: which is bad ass in the extreme. So I want

1758
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:05,760
Speaker 1: to make sure we get all of Walter's socials into

1759
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:07,840
Speaker 1: the description of the podcast. He'll get them for you,

1760
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:11,080
Speaker 1: and Walter, You're welcome back soon. We wish you well.

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01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 1: When do you go back into session, It'll be in

1762
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 1: mid February.

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01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:17,080
Speaker 2: On that note of hitting crossing, finally crossing the one

1764
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:20,679
Speaker 2: hundred thousand subscriber mark on YouTube, so apparently they mail

1765
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:23,280
Speaker 2: you like a little plaque. Right, It's called a silver

1766
01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 2: play button, and I haven't gotten mine yet. I'm sure

1767
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:28,720
Speaker 2: it'll come at some point. I told my twelve year

1768
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:30,840
Speaker 2: old yesterday that I let him hanging in his room,

1769
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:32,080
Speaker 2: but he was absolutely a static.

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Speaker 1: I would have I would have lost my tanner. Yeah,

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01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:43,519
Speaker 1: well that'll be fun. Congratulations, Thank you, Please come back

1772
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 1: soon anytime you're welcome. You could be a regular. I

1773
01:44:47,080 --> 01:44:50,080
Speaker 1: think the conversation is important. What we're finding here is

1774
01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:52,400
Speaker 1: we've got certain people that are coming back regularly. Now

1775
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:57,920
Speaker 1: we're moving more to an interview conversation format and less

1776
01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:01,920
Speaker 1: of the solo uh A podcast format that I started.

1777
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:04,600
Speaker 1: But that's, you know, a compliment that we're we're on

1778
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:07,960
Speaker 1: the right path and we do want to expand our content.

1779
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:10,920
Speaker 1: We want want more people here, more creators, because you know,

1780
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 1: we are living in this era where we are going

1781
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:15,800
Speaker 1: to affect from this podcast a lot of people. So

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01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:18,280
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Speaker 1: viewer and listener. Thank you for supporting free People, Thank

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01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:24,120
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