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Speaker 1: Welcome back to That's Messed Up n SVU podcast. It's
Speaker 1: another Tuesday. It's another episode. I'm one of your hosts,
Speaker 1: Kara Klink and I'm Liza Traeger.
Speaker 2: We're coming to you with SVU True Crime celeb guests.
Speaker 2: And at first, you know, we catch up, we should chat.
Speaker 2: Which the people I meet on the road say is
Speaker 2: their favorite part? They love it.
Speaker 3: They love it.
Speaker 1: So, hey, well how is Disney World.
Speaker 2: We're all waiting at the edge of our all got
Speaker 2: our Disneyland.
Speaker 3: We went to the Land.
Speaker 1: We went to the real crock Gator situation. The Disneys. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: that is exactly what it is. I think Land is
Speaker 1: a lot smaller, but I honestly, I only go to
Speaker 1: the one side. I only go to the regular Land,
Speaker 1: and I don't do California Adventure and Pixar World and
Speaker 1: any of that stuff.
Speaker 3: It was great. We had a wonderful time.
Speaker 1: I will say he originally was like he was so
Speaker 1: excited to go on Tiana's Bayou Adventure, which is the
Speaker 1: old Flash Mountain and is now a different like flume
Speaker 1: ride that's like you know in her and his friend
Speaker 1: from school heard we were going to Disney and gave
Speaker 1: me ponchos, like I came prepared extra clothes in case
Speaker 1: we got wet.
Speaker 3: He's like, I want to do that first.
Speaker 1: I got the fast pass thing because I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not waiting in line with like a three year old,
Speaker 1: like a four year old.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 1: I was like, he's gonna be pissed. So we zoom
Speaker 1: ahead at Tiana's. It's the first ride we go on.
Speaker 1: When we get there, we're they're early and we but
Speaker 1: we do have to like we are like cutting in
Speaker 1: front of a lot of people, not cutting but doing
Speaker 1: the lightning thing, and when we get to the front,
Speaker 1: there's also a bunch of people behind us, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this ride anymore. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: we have to. Like we're in a cave right now.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even know how to get out of here
Speaker 1: if we wanted to, Like, we have to go on
Speaker 1: the ride. So he's like I don't want it. When
Speaker 1: he's like whiny. I'm like, what is going on? So
Speaker 1: we go on the ride. He hates it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: he's gonna love it. Once we're on, he's gonna love it.
Speaker 1: He hates it, he gets off, he goes. I did
Speaker 1: not like that, and he wanted to go home. Was
Speaker 1: it scary or boring or crowded or hot? What was it?
Speaker 1: I don't think he liked the water, the wetness, even
Speaker 1: though it's like he was made very aware, Like we
Speaker 1: were at the La County Fair the week before and
Speaker 1: we couldn't go on the flume ride and he was
Speaker 1: so pissed. And I was like, honey, we're going on
Speaker 1: a flume ride together in a week at Disney. And
Speaker 1: he was like, gotcha. I'm also learning what flume ride
Speaker 1: is today. I mean, yeah, I know I call it
Speaker 1: a log the log, the log, the water ride, or
Speaker 1: like a wet ride, Like I didn't know there was
Speaker 1: a term for it. And ever I'm in a log
Speaker 1: heading towards water. Yeah, I feel like it's a flume.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's I don't know, what an interesting thing
Speaker 1: that I've picked up god knows where and have been
Speaker 1: saying forever. So he hated that he was like, I
Speaker 1: want to go home. He's like, I want to go
Speaker 1: home and watch Elena of Avalore, which is like this
Speaker 1: little princess show on Disney. And I was like, no, like,
Speaker 1: we're not going home. I spent so much money on
Speaker 1: this time. And then we had a great day. The
Speaker 1: thing is he doesn't he's not scared. We went on
Speaker 1: thunder Mountain. He was the smallest kid on thunder Mountain
Speaker 1: by a mile, Like there were no little kids on
Speaker 1: thunder Mountain.
Speaker 3: He went on it. He loved it. He loves a
Speaker 3: roller coaster.
Speaker 1: There was just something about that Bayou Adventure that he
Speaker 1: was not vibing with, Like I don't know the wetness
Speaker 1: of it. I don't know what it is. But he
Speaker 1: had a great time. Dumb We did Dumbo. We did Dumbo.
Speaker 1: We did the Little story Land ride where you get
Speaker 1: to see like Minnie Arundel, mini Agroba, like all the
Speaker 1: different like miniature worlds of the Disney peep up Disney characters.
Speaker 1: And we did I mean we did so much stuff.
Speaker 1: I felt like we went on a million rides. Wow,
Speaker 1: what did you guys eat well? And what did you buy?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You buy?
Speaker 1: I brought lunch for him, But I for myself had
Speaker 1: a like what they call their cheese flopover.
Speaker 3: It's like a pizza. I don't know why they call
Speaker 3: it a flopover or something like that. Wait, why'd you
Speaker 3: bring him lunch?
Speaker 1: Because he does not give a shit about eating out
Speaker 1: at all. Like he scarfed that lunch and loved every
Speaker 1: second of it. Like I just was like he because
Speaker 1: like I was like, I'm gonna have to go around
Speaker 1: and find a place that has like the chicken that
Speaker 1: he likes, and it's gonna be a fifty dollars and
Speaker 1: he's there and then he's gonna say, I hate this chicken,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I was just like I'm
Speaker 1: bringing his lunch and he loved it. And I bought
Speaker 1: him a treat, like I bought him a Mickey sandwich
Speaker 1: pop or whatever. And he loved that US ice cream
Speaker 1: sandwich like on a stick. And then for his gift
Speaker 1: that he was allowed to pick out, he picked out
Speaker 1: an aerial bubble wand he went with Ariel, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: bubble wand like we walked all around the store and
Speaker 1: he laid eyes on that thing and was like that's mine.
Speaker 1: And he literally wouldn't change his mind. I was like,
Speaker 1: let's look at everything, and he was like, that's what
Speaker 1: I want?
Speaker 3: So did he?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: We waited in line for the princess encounter, right like,
Speaker 1: you go to this little castle and you meet two
Speaker 1: to three princesses.
Speaker 3: We only met two.
Speaker 1: He acts like, he acts like a total shy, freaked
Speaker 1: out baby around any of these princesses that are not Elsa.
Speaker 1: But they don't tell you what princesses are going to
Speaker 1: be in there. So we were at a party once
Speaker 1: where there was a girl dressed up as Ariel and
Speaker 1: it was literally the same girl who had dressed up
Speaker 1: the year before as Elsa at a party and he
Speaker 1: loved her. Her dressed as Ariel, he was freaking out.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't go near her, he wouldn't talk to her.
Speaker 1: She kept being like, hello, my little friend, and he
Speaker 1: like would not talk to her.
Speaker 3: Hey, So is it because he only likes Elsa.
Speaker 2: He's just not intimidated by Elsa, but the rest of
Speaker 2: her too intimidating?
Speaker 3: Like what is it? I don't know what it is?
Speaker 1: He literally, if Elsa's at a party, he had Elsa
Speaker 1: paint his face, He'll go up talk to an Elsa.
Speaker 1: We were at a party where we weren't invite We
Speaker 1: were at the park and it was a party we
Speaker 1: were not invited to, and my kids were crouched behind
Speaker 1: a bush watching Elsa do her thing like little spies
Speaker 1: like they are. She He is so into Elsa and
Speaker 1: I was, And so we go into this princess encounter
Speaker 1: on the first person we see is Cinderella. He's not
Speaker 1: as familiar, but he loves beautiful princess.
Speaker 3: He shit, wouldn't speak to her.
Speaker 1: Was like in my arms, like like, wouldn't talk to her.
Speaker 3: Then the next one was snow White, same deal, No thanks.
Speaker 1: Wow. We took a little photo with snow White, but
Speaker 1: and I'll share it, but it was he was not happy.
Speaker 1: Like if it had been Elsa, he would have been like,
Speaker 1: I brought you something to bring back to Arundel, how's
Speaker 1: all love? Like he would have had a million questions
Speaker 1: and talk to her. But there's something about any other
Speaker 1: princess that's not Elsa that he's just turned off.
Speaker 2: Wow, but kid's minds, Yeah, how would you compare the adventures?
Speaker 2: Who would you do if you could only bring one
Speaker 2: kid back? Are you taking Rosie or oscar Ah.
Speaker 1: I would say I enjoyed more just going one on
Speaker 1: one with a kid than like last time. We went
Speaker 1: with like a friend and two other little girls. So
Speaker 1: it's like it's just it's just organizing more people and like, Okay, hey,
Speaker 1: does anyone have to pee? And who wants to go
Speaker 1: here for lunch and whatever? And with like with one kid,
Speaker 1: it was just a lot easier and it was pretty
Speaker 1: like the whole thing is pretty doable.
Speaker 3: It seems crazy. I am like shocked at how.
Speaker 1: How every single person is wearing merch there, like for Disney, Like.
Speaker 2: It's just that's not shocking. Disney's so popular, it's everywhere.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but it's like I was wearing
Speaker 1: a plane tank top and I was probably the only
Speaker 1: person I could see for a mile not wearing something branded,
Speaker 1: and if it wasn't branded something Disney, it was branded
Speaker 1: something else like cartoon.
Speaker 3: It was just like everybody was just.
Speaker 1: Wearing so many ears, Like it just seemed like more
Speaker 1: than last time for some reason. But also I think
Speaker 1: it's because I went at the time of a lot
Speaker 1: of grad trips. I think there were a lot of
Speaker 1: senior grad trips, a lot of matching t shirts, matching ears,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it was a lot
Speaker 1: of that. I don't know why, but I just I
Speaker 1: know exactly why. We probably talked about it. Oh.
Speaker 2: I saw the meme of the snake from Robin Hood
Speaker 2: crossing his arms, and it's just so cute that a
Speaker 2: snake has arms to cross.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I.
Speaker 2: Was like, I haven't watched that Little Fox in a while,
Speaker 2: and I watched it a couple of days ago. Boyd
Speaker 2: is it. It is the best cartoon ever. It really
Speaker 2: is so good. The animation is so cute.
Speaker 1: The little bunny is like I just forgot about how
Speaker 1: funny it is and how cuy. Yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 1: And so then of course I'm looking up his merch,
Speaker 1: you know. So I'm like, it's mister his merch. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, they definitely have something hiss that luxury lounge
Speaker 1: fly right. Oh my god, I didn't even look at there.
Speaker 1: That's such a good idea. They've got to have his stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, but it was just on Etsy.
Speaker 2: It's like a whole It's like a set of baseball
Speaker 2: jerseys that you could put your own name on, and
Speaker 2: it's his, you know, the Madeline.
Speaker 1: What's the girl's name? The girl lady made Marian. Yes,
Speaker 1: the rooster like little John. And it's like all these
Speaker 1: jerseys and I was like, oh my god, I want
Speaker 1: to go to Disney with a group where Rob Murl's
Speaker 1: softball team. Right now, it's just like I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I have to have a bachelorette party
Speaker 1: because everyone has to be wearing a Robin Hood baseball jersey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you did things I've watched.
Speaker 2: I watched The Be the Better Sister, Jessica Biel, Elizabeth Banks.
Speaker 1: Oh is that a movie or a TV show? It's
Speaker 1: five episodes, it's on Amazon. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the one of the bald guys from House of
Speaker 2: Li House of Cards, isn't it who I like?
Speaker 1: Okay, you know who I'm talking about. He was Elijah
Speaker 1: has sex with him? Yeah, oh, Corey Stole, I know
Speaker 1: exactly talking about. But there are like several bad bald
Speaker 1: guys on House of Cards. True, yes, But I was
Speaker 1: into it. I mean yeah, I was into it. I
Speaker 1: watched it all. I liked it.
Speaker 2: But it is and it's the detective woman from Gone
Speaker 2: Girl playing the exact same part.
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, it's just her formula rope right.
Speaker 2: It's very thriller, very slow, and like every like ten
Speaker 2: to fifteen minutes there's a reveal or a secret or
Speaker 2: like you find the thing, and the foreshadowing is just like,
Speaker 2: I mean, within the first ten minutes, they zoom in
Speaker 2: on a pocket knife and you're like, well, we'll be
Speaker 2: seeing this pocket knife again for sure.
Speaker 1: You know. I feel like Jessica Biel's really like kind
Speaker 1: of found this niche.
Speaker 3: Now she's producing all of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just that she did The Sinner, which was like
Speaker 1: no one would cast her, I don't think. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: The Sinner was really different for her, and then it
Speaker 1: seems like since The Sinner she's just like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do these, I'm gonna do these like twisty like
Speaker 1: kind of prestigie things and she I mean, yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: watch that inredible.
Speaker 2: Oh there was one actress from Orange is the New
Speaker 2: Black that I recognized to Lorraine Toussaint. Oh, and Gloria
Speaker 2: Rubin's in it, duh. And another Orange guy, Michael Hornet.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There, it was good. I guess I would say it
Speaker 2: was good. Oh my god. Fredrick Weller is definitely SV
Speaker 2: hold on, let me I got a scroll.
Speaker 3: Let's see what episode, Let's see what up.
Speaker 1: So Lorraine Tusston is So she's such a scary like
Speaker 1: character on Orange's New Black.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, she is. This guy was in tortured.
Speaker 1: Oh the girl, the boyfriend, the boyfriend in torture isn't whatever.
Speaker 3: I liked it.
Speaker 1: Wait, I was gonna ask you, have you already gone
Speaker 1: to the Marishka thing at Tribecca that you were going on?
Speaker 2: That's actually let's say, I am not going to be
Speaker 2: in town for that anymore, so you should, So people
Speaker 2: should DM me. I have one ticket for that Friday
Speaker 2: the thirteenth, which is at Carnegie Hall like sixth row
Speaker 2: with a Q and A.
Speaker 3: I have one ticket.
Speaker 2: And then the next day I have one ticket to
Speaker 2: the East Village Cinema here on second half and like
Speaker 2: eleventh or twelfth Street or something. And it's still part
Speaker 2: of the Tribecca Film Festival.
Speaker 3: But I don't so.
Speaker 2: I bet Marishka will stop in, but it doesn't seem
Speaker 2: as official as like the Godget premiere of it all.
Speaker 2: I haven't drink if someone wants to DM me, because
Speaker 2: I've asked a few sv fans that I know, But
Speaker 2: people are you know, Friday Saturday, it's tough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, our business people are working.
Speaker 1: I was just wondering, because I've been getting all of
Speaker 1: these spoilers about it, should I bring it? I mean
Speaker 1: it's like there there's all this press about it and
Speaker 1: all this we well, the press is the press. You
Speaker 1: can mention the press that her bio dad is not
Speaker 1: her bio dad.
Speaker 3: Is that what you're like? Yes? That like the big
Speaker 3: like reveal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the huge reveal is that she literally pulls off
Speaker 1: her Olivia Benson outfit and she's wearing a sequence outfit,
Speaker 1: and she tells us that Mickey hargatea her father who
Speaker 1: we thought is her father forever. He's in the episode
Speaker 1: where the where the dick gets cut off. He's in
Speaker 1: that episode, and he's not her dad. It's really a comedian.
Speaker 1: Her dad was like a stand up comedian in like
Speaker 1: Atlantic City or like the thing I was listening to
Speaker 1: about it, because they mentioned this on this other podcast
Speaker 1: I listened to, Like was kept calling him a comedian
Speaker 1: and saying that she went like that he was doing
Speaker 1: a comedy show in Atlantic City.
Speaker 3: So I was like, I'm assuming it's stand up.
Speaker 1: I don't know what like maybe he's an improviser or
Speaker 1: a juggler, but like I'm assuming he's a stand up
Speaker 1: this man but so interesting.
Speaker 3: Well, I want to see all of it.
Speaker 2: And like the trailer, it's very much her being like
Speaker 2: you know, I wanted to be a departure from my mom,
Speaker 2: like I didn't want to be what she was, but
Speaker 2: I also have no memories of her, and it's just
Speaker 2: her kind of finally able to dig in and like
Speaker 2: learn about her mom. And I wish I was going
Speaker 2: to be able to go, and I have a great seat,
Speaker 2: but it's also hard to get rid of one ticket.
Speaker 2: I guess people aren't as used to doing things on
Speaker 2: their own people. I know I'm not going to take
Speaker 2: off work to do that, but it's worth it. Well
Speaker 2: because I know two people that are going to be
Speaker 2: sitting in front of me at the Carnegie Hall, so
Speaker 2: you could talk to them if you take my ticket.
Speaker 2: Take my ticket. I did also see I went to
Speaker 2: see Gypsy with Azura McDonald's and I.
Speaker 1: Would say, if you can, she's done June thirtieth.
Speaker 2: But it was. I mean, I'm going to cry even
Speaker 2: thinking about it. It was one of the greatest things I've
Speaker 2: ever seen.
Speaker 1: Wow, it was beyond It was the best acting performance
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. And then after this like very emotional song,
Speaker 1: full standing ovation for minutes, and she's fully in character.
Speaker 1: I mean she had bodies these I've never seen anything
Speaker 1: like it, honestly, like and then the one who plays
Speaker 1: like the actress who plays her daughter's amazing. All the
Speaker 1: kid actors there's a dog, you know, but like the choreography,
Speaker 1: the singing, everything, it was like top to bottom, like
Speaker 1: the best Broadway experience I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 3: I can't believe you went to go see it too.
Speaker 3: In the midst of the whole.
Speaker 2: Well, that added to it because because I knew I
Speaker 2: wanted to see it, and then once the Tony drama
Speaker 2: started and I was like, wait, I gotta get to it.
Speaker 2: And then I was like, wait, the Tonys are happening,
Speaker 2: like post Tony's might be crazy. I gotta go, Like
Speaker 2: I gotta fucking see her, and I have to, and
Speaker 2: it makes sense this this woman has like six Tonies, so.
Speaker 3: I knew it was gonna be amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I knew people that went and were like moved,
Speaker 2: And then I have friends that are like kind of
Speaker 2: hard to move that were removed, and so that's when
Speaker 2: I knew. But I've never seen anything like And then
Speaker 2: hours later because then, of course, I mean the show's
Speaker 2: at seven, and then I of course had a twelve
Speaker 2: forty five spot at the cellar, so I was out
Speaker 2: like pretty late. And hours later someone comes up to
Speaker 2: me and goes, are you okay? I go, what They're like,
Speaker 2: it seems like you're crying, and I go, I have
Speaker 2: been crying. And hours later because every time I started
Speaker 2: talking about it to someone, I started to cry choked up.
Speaker 2: It just is like it's just someone that transcends every
Speaker 2: time in space because they are so of I've really
Speaker 2: never seen anything like it, and I've seen I go
Speaker 2: to the theater and.
Speaker 3: You know, you know what I mean, Yeah, you're seeing it,
Speaker 3: You're seeing stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never I've never seen gypsy period, Like I
Speaker 1: never seen Sally.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I didn't know the story and I kind of liked it.
Speaker 2: I knew, like I because of the zeit guys, I
Speaker 2: guess I knew a little bit or whatnot, but I
Speaker 2: didn't look into anything. I also was sitting on the
Speaker 2: aisle in orchestra and she comes out through the aisle
Speaker 2: and she was standing right next to me, so I
Speaker 2: got to, Oh my god, I like guess but also
Speaker 2: like the Orc. Electra was so good, like everyone was
Speaker 2: just it just really was stellar. And then I all
Speaker 2: just more and more content. But I also saw Sinners.
Speaker 2: I went to see Sinners.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and worth all the hyphen two thumbs up.
Speaker 1: I'm going back to see it in seventy millimeter love
Speaker 1: love love storytelling why we go to the movies, Like,
Speaker 1: It's how I felt with the Substance. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is like different and better than substance in many ways,
Speaker 1: but it's like, this is the movies. This is what
Speaker 1: movies should be, Like what the we come to this
Speaker 1: place for magic?
Speaker 3: This is what we're half. But that's how I felt.
Speaker 1: I was watching Sinners, just loving it, and you'd, honestly,
Speaker 1: it's not you should just go.
Speaker 3: I know, I know there's no blood for an hour
Speaker 3: and a half.
Speaker 1: I know my my one friend goes. I think it's
Speaker 1: not that big of a deal. You could handle it.
Speaker 1: And now it's becoming like hereditary. I have to go
Speaker 1: see it. Everyone's talking about it. I gotta go that.
Speaker 2: Also, there's just so much beauty outside of whatever scary
Speaker 2: ends up happening, Like there's scary modes, but it's definitely
Speaker 2: not a horror film in any way, Okay, And there's
Speaker 2: cool historical content context and like great acting, great visuals, sexy.
Speaker 2: There's one scene on the dance floor that I've never
Speaker 2: seen in movies ever in my life. And it was
Speaker 2: jaw dropping. And it's two hours and fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: And I had a medium diet coke and I didn't
Speaker 1: have to pee at all.
Speaker 3: What the it flew by like you you couldn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was also sitting like my arms crossed
Speaker 1: on the seat in front of me, like I really.
Speaker 3: Loved it, like I were like it forward, like really
Speaker 3: leaning in.
Speaker 1: Just such good acting and line he wrote such a
Speaker 1: the dialogue's awesome, but it really and then Michael B.
Speaker 3: Jordan like his arms are just sexy, like it is
Speaker 3: what it is. Yeah, he's really hot. But the music's
Speaker 3: so good. Oh, the music so good. Yeah, so it
Speaker 3: was it was all right, I'm gonna watch wait.
Speaker 1: Question about Audra McDonald though, does her bio in the
Speaker 1: program say SVU, because is famously the therapist at the
Speaker 1: end of season one that tries to get them all
Speaker 1: committed and gets Jeffries fired.
Speaker 2: I'll grab my my playbill and in the out in
Speaker 2: the our post mortem, all of you will find out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but to be able to see like Beyonce, someone at
Speaker 2: the top of their game, and then Audra really like
Speaker 2: in her fucking bag like it was yeah, adible, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and just walking around the city, and even afterwards, just
Speaker 2: walking around Times Square seeing all the ads and people
Speaker 2: with other playbills, I'm like, wow, I've seen a lot
Speaker 2: of these shows. I'm like so cultured. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: I felt really cool. And I hope I mean, the
Speaker 2: Tonys are this weekend. I hope Audre wins, and then
Speaker 2: I really hope Cola Scolo wins something.
Speaker 1: Everybody is making it sound like Cole's Tony is kind
Speaker 1: of in the I don't want to jinx anything, but
Speaker 1: like everyone's kind of like that's I mean, Timothy and
Speaker 1: Kylie were just there, like, let's wrap it up. They're
Speaker 1: not that they're the arbiters of but like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just feels like.
Speaker 2: That they're winning this Tony. But it is so weird,
Speaker 2: so who knows, you never know. I'm not familiar with.
Speaker 1: The Tony World, like how they usually vote or where
Speaker 1: they go, Yeah, what they do, because you know, Wicked
Speaker 1: lost famously to Avenue Q.
Speaker 2: But like right, or you're in town something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's Avenue Q. But so I don't know
Speaker 2: the culture of Tony's as much. You know, I'm more
Speaker 2: of a I'll go to the hips shows. But there
Speaker 2: was sas so like the Sunset Boulevard Theaters across the
Speaker 2: street from Gypsy and they had sassy signage it said
Speaker 2: the most nominated revival. And it's like it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: how many signs or how many nominations, none of you
Speaker 2: will ever do what Audra McDonald did on that stage,
Speaker 2: Like Nicole Scherzinger, you wish.
Speaker 3: Oh have you seen that?
Speaker 2: No, And I'm not going to she's a Trumper, Like
Speaker 2: obviously there's Trumpers everywhere and they're a part of our lives.
Speaker 2: And I work for Trumpers at times, you know, like
Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent, but I'm not going to
Speaker 2: some I'm not going. Yeah, I'm not going to someone's
Speaker 2: show that benefits off gay people while like actively being
Speaker 2: a Trumper.
Speaker 3: Go fuck yourself. Yeah yeah, yeah, I hear you go.
Speaker 3: But also my friend who's very theater theater.
Speaker 2: She has seen Gypsy out twice but val she's a
Speaker 2: manager at the Seller, but she loves theater. And so
Speaker 2: we were talking about this and I go, well, maybe
Speaker 2: I just have to go see Nicole just to like
Speaker 2: compare who wins or whatnot to have contact.
Speaker 3: She goes, I don't know.
Speaker 2: All the clips I've seen, it's Nicole singing at the audience,
Speaker 2: there's no acting going on, like Audra is singing so
Speaker 2: deep in character she's not even there, and she stays
Speaker 2: in full character during the standing ovations like it.
Speaker 3: It really blew my mind.
Speaker 2: So just that comment she made of like, yeah, like
Speaker 2: you can bell like Nicole can sing, but like there
Speaker 2: is this added element of this incredible actress as well.
Speaker 1: Have you seen the clip of Emily Wilson, the comedian
Speaker 1: Honey where she was on America Got Talent? Was the
Speaker 1: live show at Alesion? Oh yeah, seen it and.
Speaker 2: I posted about it, And I mean, now I'm going
Speaker 2: off about Audre. I hope my words still are valid
Speaker 2: because I love stuff so much. I was thoroughly impressed
Speaker 2: by her show. I loved Emily Wilson's show. I saw
Speaker 2: it live I thought, like her song original songs with
Speaker 2: the the video she plays and how it's organized is great.
Speaker 1: I had like a great time seeing it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead. Sorry. The only reason I bring it up
Speaker 1: is because, like you obviously know this, but for our listeners,
Speaker 1: she goes on America's Got Talent as like a fifteen
Speaker 1: year old with this guy and her name's Emily and
Speaker 1: his name's Austin and they're awesome together, like awesome, and
Speaker 1: all of the judges, including Nicole Scher singer, are basically
Speaker 1: like except actually Simon Cowell was kind of nice and
Speaker 1: the rest of them were like, we believe in Austin.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Emily.
Speaker 1: It was like so funny and like she does this
Speaker 1: amazing like comedy routine where she shows the clips to
Speaker 1: it and like I obviously just saw the clip online,
Speaker 1: but he just posted a special on YouTube.
Speaker 2: She self produced a special that she made at Bell House.
Speaker 2: So if you want to watch the whole show, it's
Speaker 2: it's on Oh it's on YouTube. Go check it out.
Speaker 1: This is an unpaid plug for Emily Wilson's one person
Speaker 1: show or comedy special. Sorry, not one person show on YouTube,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we should get started.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is what I was, we should but so
Speaker 2: but I started a fight at the cellar. There was
Speaker 2: someone that was annoying me, and so I owe, I
Speaker 2: said something bitchy and everyone heard. You know, I said
Speaker 2: something bitchy and then it kind of like I kind
Speaker 2: of shut someone up a little bit, and then he
Speaker 2: tried to get back, but I was I took out
Speaker 2: my playbill as people.
Speaker 3: Then people started arguing because I.
Speaker 2: Caused chaos, and then to me, just like put He's like,
Speaker 2: and now you're gonna read your playbill passive aggressively, go
Speaker 2: fuck yourself.
Speaker 3: He goes, He goes.
Speaker 1: They all say the same thing, stop put that playbill down,
Speaker 1: and I was.
Speaker 3: Like, okay, okay, but I was reading the playbill after
Speaker 3: I said.
Speaker 2: Something, Okay, we're starting the episode and it's all right,
Speaker 2: and one.
Speaker 3: Of my favorite guests, I would say.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is a good episode, So don't go anywhere.
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Speaker 2: Come to fucking Atlanta, you guys. I'm in Atlanta and
Speaker 2: Charlotte next week. And you know you beg me and
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Speaker 3: They're avail.
Speaker 1: Let's go get them all right, let's get started, right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be doing Delinquent Season twelve, episode twenty three,
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan okay and okay, Yeah, came out in twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: I am excited. Old school, old school. Yeah, the final,
Speaker 1: the final Maloney season. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And there's moments I remember of this, but overall it
Speaker 2: was like kind of exciting, and I didn't really know
Speaker 2: everything that was gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen this one in a minute, so I was.
Speaker 1: I liked this one. Yeah, And Delinquent's a fun word.
Speaker 2: I kind of want to start calling people that out
Speaker 2: and about this. It's a good audience members, you fucking delinquent.
Speaker 1: Fucking delinquents, degenerate delinquents. But it's funny because when you
Speaker 1: hear when I hear delinquent, I'm always like, oh, is
Speaker 1: that which of the young psychopathic twelve year olds?
Speaker 3: Is this about? You know? Like I always think it's about.
Speaker 1: The little kids that are like sorry, sir, Like you're
Speaker 1: the one that Collaglaughlin shoots from like conscience or like
Speaker 1: even the little psycho from Juvenile like Juvenile and delinquent.
Speaker 3: Obviously, I get confused when I hear.
Speaker 2: The title, Oh yeah, ye ah, but you yeah, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be a bad detention style kid. I don't think
Speaker 2: there's an episode called detention, but maybe next year. So,
Speaker 2: but it's a rom com start to the episode. Really,
Speaker 2: it's like post date. It's a guy and girl. She's
Speaker 2: against the like she's against the wall. They're probably gonna
Speaker 2: make out, and then like a street lamp light is
Speaker 2: coming through.
Speaker 3: The windows, and.
Speaker 2: He's like, Yankees are Mets and she's Yankees.
Speaker 3: She asks what's your favorite movie?
Speaker 2: He says Casa Blanca, and I'm like, get a life,
Speaker 2: you fucking work. You haven't seen a better movie in
Speaker 2: fifty five years. What you was my brother's favorite movie
Speaker 2: when he was like sixteen. Him and his girlfriend used
Speaker 2: to watch it all the time. It's so embarrassing. I
Speaker 2: can't even believe that. I think it's a red flag.
Speaker 2: And then she's even more boring. She goes Godfather one
Speaker 2: and two and it's like, I don't know, I want
Speaker 2: to know who wrote this, but yeah, so she looks
Speaker 2: at his hand and goes, oh, no, wedding ring tanline.
Speaker 2: So they're flirting, they're holding hands. He's been divorced three years,
Speaker 2: no kids. And then when they're finally leaning into kiss,
Speaker 2: she asks political affiliation and he says Republican and that's
Speaker 2: the deal breaker. So she pushes him off and he's like,
Speaker 2: oh what why you're a Democrat. And then he does
Speaker 2: you know the famous quote of like if you're a
Speaker 2: Republican before thirty, you don't have a heart, and then
Speaker 2: if after thirty, you don't have a brain. And so
Speaker 2: she's like, well, I'm thirty four. So now he's calling
Speaker 2: her old and dumb. So this is done. He asks
Speaker 2: to use her bathroom and before he heads cross town
Speaker 2: and then we open. He opens the door and she
Speaker 2: calls him an idiot because he opens the wrong door.
Speaker 2: She's like, the other left, you fucking moron, and he's like,
Speaker 2: at least I was honest.
Speaker 3: How old is your kid? Annie?
Speaker 2: And she's confused because she's not a liar, and she
Speaker 2: opens the door and asks is like, what are you
Speaker 2: talking about? And then a young teen boy in pink
Speaker 2: silk bloomers is in her bed.
Speaker 3: Wors is so funny.
Speaker 2: They're really puffy, like they're sure that's something like a
Speaker 2: sexy look, like you can't really wear those as panties
Speaker 2: or under it's not so music shocking music plays. She
Speaker 2: gasps an amazing gasp, and we have Maloney and Bells
Speaker 2: are walking the teen and handcuffed, and she then screamed,
Speaker 2: which I guess woke this guy up. But the date
Speaker 2: brought him in the Republican and he's fourteen, and he
Speaker 2: says that he was drinking for the first time, got drunk,
Speaker 2: and he's really sorry, Okay, I don't trust you. Benson
Speaker 2: joins the chat. She wants scoop, so they fill her in.
Speaker 2: The guy's name is Hunter Masalon. He was like naked
Speaker 2: in this woman's bed with the Bloomers and he wants
Speaker 2: to explain it, and they're like, no, we need your
Speaker 2: parent present.
Speaker 3: You're a child.
Speaker 2: A night watchman did call his mom, who said let
Speaker 2: him spend the night in jail and learn a fucking lesson.
Speaker 2: And he goes, well, now you know why I was
Speaker 2: driven to drink. And so Annie runs into the precinct.
Speaker 2: She is the Democrat and she just right into the
Speaker 2: precinct center of the office, finger pointed right at him,
Speaker 2: and she screams to everyone that kid try to rape me,
Speaker 2: and he says, don't flatter yourself, lady, and she's pissed.
Speaker 2: Bellzer is holding her back and she's like, I found
Speaker 2: your bag in my closet with a bottle of whiskey.
Speaker 2: You were trying to attack me. So Benson grabs the
Speaker 2: bag and they find a ninth grade science book, duct tape, pantyhose,
Speaker 2: and a knife and he's like, you said, yeah, delinquent,
Speaker 2: smartass over confident always has a comeback, And we go
Speaker 2: into the credits and we open back up on Stabler
Speaker 2: being like, then, why were you in the closet and
Speaker 2: he wants to throw him.
Speaker 3: In a cell.
Speaker 2: Stabler hates the sky, so the kid is like, bring it,
Speaker 2: and then Stabler goes, I'm so annoyed. I have to
Speaker 2: treat you like a kid, like you should be charged
Speaker 2: with an adult. But here we go. So they go
Speaker 2: up into this other room since he can't be in
Speaker 2: a cell, and he puts them up against the wall
Speaker 2: and starts to handcuff him, and then I'm like shocked.
Speaker 2: This boy starts screaming. He's like, hey, that's not cool.
Speaker 2: Don't touch me there. I need an adult in here.
Speaker 2: Quit touching my junk. And then a uniform cop runs in,
Speaker 2: what's going on here? And Stabler tells the uni like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, well he thinks he's fucking smart and funny.
Speaker 2: And then Stabler asks like, why would you yell that?
Speaker 2: And he goes, sorry, it was just freaked out. It's
Speaker 2: my first time being arrested. Sailor's pissed. He's not trying
Speaker 2: to grab this kids junk. He's so fucking mad, and
Speaker 2: he's like, you have enough charges against you. I don't
Speaker 2: think you need false accusations and he continue, you know,
Speaker 2: he responds again like it was a joke. It was
Speaker 2: a joke. Staylor's like, we're gonna wait for the mom.
Speaker 2: But then the uniform cops like should I stay in here?
Speaker 2: And Stabler go ask the kid, like it's up to you.
Speaker 2: I feel fine, but he should have just had someone
Speaker 2: say or like done something, but he was just like annoyed.
Speaker 2: He let the kid say it was a joke. And
Speaker 2: then the uniform cop leaves, and then who do we have?
Speaker 2: The mom runs in. It's Rita fucking Wilson. I can't
Speaker 2: believe it.
Speaker 3: For me.
Speaker 2: Rita Wilson is the movie now. And then yeah, and
Speaker 2: the show girl, Yes, do you have any memory?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes?
Speaker 1: And also for me weirdly just producing my big factory wedding,
Speaker 1: like I just I associate her with that movie so much.
Speaker 1: But yes, girls, I mean now and then I only
Speaker 1: watched recently with you with you, But I I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think, what else do I think of Rita Wilson
Speaker 1: from Lots of Shit? And now she's a singer. She
Speaker 1: sings up the Carlisle in New York all the time.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, but yeah, I'm like, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: She's Do you believe that her and Tom Hanks are
Speaker 2: giant pedophiles in Hollywood that are trying to escape to grease?
Speaker 1: I believe that they are drinking adrinachrome in their coffee
Speaker 1: every single morning.
Speaker 3: Yes, no, of course, I mean, are you kidding? How insane? Wait?
Speaker 1: How wild? Rita Wilson's born name is Margarita A brahmav.
Speaker 3: I braham Off. Excuse me, yeah, Margarita brahm Off. Okay,
Speaker 3: tell me more. I don't know. That's just what I'm
Speaker 3: getting on her. So where is she from?
Speaker 1: Well it's Bulgarian and Greek, Okay, I think that's why
Speaker 1: she did that. Yeah, she got Greek citizenship in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: and she's that's why she is like, you know, close
Speaker 1: with uh neovardalas svu alum.
Speaker 5: God.
Speaker 1: She's been working for such a long time. She has
Speaker 1: so many credits. Her first credit is an episode of
Speaker 1: The Brady Bunch. Woyah, Rita, she was in Hawaii five,
Speaker 1: Oh bj and the Bear. Cheech and Chong's next movie,
Speaker 1: Bosom Buddies, like all these like seventies.
Speaker 3: Whit did they meet on bodies? Maybe I did.
Speaker 1: I only just realized recently that Chet is their only
Speaker 1: kid together. I didn't know that Colin has a different mom.
Speaker 1: I just found that out recently. I mean, what are
Speaker 1: your feelings on Chet? I have no feelings towards I
Speaker 1: liked this episode of him on Z Way. Yeah, I laugh.
Speaker 2: But he's obviously, you know, a disturbed young man.
Speaker 1: I think he's also dropped the petois, which I think
Speaker 1: is a good move for him. He's not doing that anymore,
Speaker 1: so that's a good thing. But just a fool Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Rita Wilson plays dancer in the movie teen,
Speaker 1: which which is one of my favorite movies of all time.
Speaker 1: Oh Sleepless in Seattle. I always remember her from as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a she's a classic. But this episode of s
Speaker 1: for you too. Yeah, but I always forget. It's not
Speaker 1: like I'm like, I only think now and then. I
Speaker 1: guess I thought she just had a different career and
Speaker 1: we would have like a lot to I thought you
Speaker 1: would have some movie that's your family.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I really kind of.
Speaker 2: From the eighties something you were gonna quote like, I
Speaker 2: really didn't anticipate.
Speaker 1: No, I sadly like, she's just kind of in my life,
Speaker 1: but there's nothing iconic to me, Like, yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: just being plus one on the red carpet. That's rude
Speaker 1: to me. She's just Tom Hanks's wife, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. No, Like I think she's great, it's just like,
Speaker 1: you know what, she's obviously not the guests for this episode.
Speaker 1: If you're I love her, Yeah, I love her in
Speaker 1: The Chum Scrubber that's a movie she was in called
Speaker 1: The Chum Scrubber Thing.
Speaker 3: Oh it's complicated.
Speaker 1: She's in a bunch of my you know, I like
Speaker 1: those movies, those kind of later in life romances.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and we're back, so we're done with our
Speaker 2: rita Wilson kind of report. I guess we don't really
Speaker 2: care that much about her. Okay, so no, I love
Speaker 2: no one. Then okay, I can't say that movie name again.
Speaker 2: So she is no nonsense. Rita's character in this uh,
Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna learn the character's name. We will
Speaker 2: be calling her Rita Wilson throughout the entirety, and by
Speaker 2: we I mean me. Okay, so well her name, her
Speaker 2: character's name is Breeze, which is like fun a funny,
Speaker 2: like mom horn, yeah, yeah, yeah, And she has a
Speaker 2: Karen vibe. She wants us, she wants her son. She's
Speaker 2: being annoying. She goes sex crimes, What is this? Why
Speaker 2: would a child prank be here? And she thinks this
Speaker 2: is all insane. Her son couldn't have done that. And
Speaker 2: we find out that he lied about where he was
Speaker 2: and he was supposed to be working on a science
Speaker 2: project with some kid, you know. So they go to
Speaker 2: the dork's house and this dork is so cute. I
Speaker 2: really like him, and he's like, the science fair is Monday.
Speaker 3: We're screwed.
Speaker 1: It's like like that freak would have even helped you.
Speaker 1: And Munch was like, fuck your science fair. We have
Speaker 1: a crime to solve, and he's like whatever. Hunter is
Speaker 1: always high and leaves early, and the dad is like,
Speaker 1: so bad. He's like, why are you friends with a
Speaker 1: boy like that? He goes, we're not friends. We're the
Speaker 1: only two losers without a partner. They paired us up
Speaker 1: and like, I love how self aware this kid is.
Speaker 3: He knows he's a loser. He's now paired up with
Speaker 3: this maniac.
Speaker 2: His dad's a bully, and so Annie's a neighbors so
Speaker 2: they all live kind of near each other, so that
Speaker 2: they saw Annie last night and that Hunter made sexual
Speaker 2: gestures her way, and they're doing a mummy project disgusting,
Speaker 2: and they could have gotten a dead frog to Mamma Fi,
Speaker 2: but he said no and wanted a live frog, and
Speaker 2: then he killed the frog, and Finn says, drum roll,
Speaker 2: that's messed up. So he says it about just like
Speaker 2: wanting to kill a live frog, not a dead frog,
Speaker 2: and I think that's pretty like I don't know, I
Speaker 2: like it. So yeah, so this guy's associo obviously animal cruelty.
Speaker 2: And then the dad is like, why didn't you stop him?
Speaker 2: And he's like, I stopped him from killing our cat
Speaker 2: is that enough. Dad, Like, what the fuck? I can't
Speaker 2: wait till this dork gets to go to college. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was like, he's gonna go to college, he's gonna
Speaker 2: invent a fucking app and make a billion.
Speaker 3: Dollars to be like, fuck you.
Speaker 2: Dad, Fuck this dad stopping friends with Maybe if your
Speaker 2: kid was in a dork, he wouldn't have to be
Speaker 2: with around this guy, but he doesn't have options, and
Speaker 2: that's on you. So Rita Wilson's in cement room bars
Speaker 2: and she's screaming that her son wouldn't do this, you know,
Speaker 2: classic boy mom. And she starts blaming the door because
Speaker 2: she's like, I bet it was Jake's idea, and it's
Speaker 2: like we've seen Jake.
Speaker 1: It wasn't his idea. He walks in with.
Speaker 2: Stabler and call and and so Hunter calls her Brie,
Speaker 2: and he's like, hey, Brie, and she walks up to
Speaker 2: him and gives them one of the strongest slaps I've
Speaker 2: ever seen in this show's history or in the running.
Speaker 2: This is a show about like abuse, so maybe there's
Speaker 2: more slaps, but like, this was an intense, hard slap. Yeah,
Speaker 2: an open hand, clear across the face, classic slab so
Speaker 2: big slap. They hold her and Rita's like, my mom
Speaker 2: beat me with a belt, so whatever, I guess I
Speaker 2: should have hit him more.
Speaker 1: And and he.
Speaker 2: Does say that this is the first time he's been
Speaker 2: slapped by her, that she usually just like it's verbal abuse.
Speaker 2: And then Benson goes, well, you know, because people who
Speaker 2: hit their kids have low IQ's, which amen, and she says, well,
Speaker 2: I got beat and I'm a marketing executor. And so
Speaker 2: it's like, I don't I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 2: if she misunderstood or I misunderstood what Benson was saying.
Speaker 2: I thought she said, who people who beat their kids
Speaker 2: are dumber? Or was she trying to say, like kids
Speaker 2: that are beat are dumber and that's why she's a
Speaker 2: marketing exec Or was it the point that she misunderstood
Speaker 2: it and she is a fool, So a lot of
Speaker 2: options here.
Speaker 1: I took it as Benson was like, people that hit
Speaker 1: their kids have lower IQs, and she was like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and her response was I got beat.
Speaker 2: I'm a marketing exec so yeah, you're right. I think
Speaker 2: it says that she's done. I think her point, yes,
Speaker 2: she's dumb. Yeah yeah. So then the sun goes you know,
Speaker 2: it's always about breath. It's always about her and her
Speaker 2: being a marketing exec. And she turns around and goes, no,
Speaker 2: it's about your father abandoning us when you were a baby.
Speaker 2: And then she lunges at him and they're like, okay,
Speaker 2: well let's see what Hunter has to say. And she's
Speaker 2: delusional about what's happening. She's like, stop punishing him. We
Speaker 2: really don't need this. What do you mean, court Da,
Speaker 2: You're crazy. I'll take I'm home. I will punish him.
Speaker 2: And they're like, no, no, he is arrested. He is
Speaker 2: under arrest. You are dumb, and he cannot leave, and
Speaker 2: she does. She goes, you're making them out and out
Speaker 2: of a molehill. And then finally she's like, well, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna hire an attorney and it's like, yeah, go do that.
Speaker 3: She's boy mom to the max.
Speaker 1: I mean, you said it, but like she's really giving
Speaker 1: such big boy mom energy. We should make like a
Speaker 1: boy mom collage for SVU, because they sure they are
Speaker 1: everywhere spreading their son's toxic bullshit.
Speaker 3: It'll be her Missus Potts.
Speaker 1: And a bunch of the other toxic fucking moms we've had.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm thinking of the one in like the
Speaker 2: teen private school and a dance he wasn't waiting to
Speaker 2: hear no.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Page Turco plays a pretty aggressive boy.
Speaker 3: Mom at one point. I'm trying to think there's a
Speaker 3: lot of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well now okay, done with boy moms.
Speaker 2: We're back with the crew. We have Belzer Finn Kragan
Speaker 2: adding with a da I don't know this woman. Her
Speaker 2: name is Sherry West the actresses Fancy Swift, and she's
Speaker 2: in five episodes, so she.
Speaker 1: Is like the one I always confused with White House,
Speaker 1: black Market, the Jillian Hardwick. Like, I just think that
Speaker 1: they're like a string of just like sort of pretty
Speaker 1: lady das that are like not good but like not
Speaker 1: hate heable enough, like Kim Gray, like where you really
Speaker 1: remember them, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 3: They're just like mediocre.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, also not a guest for this episode if
Speaker 2: you're also one of our people that are a guessing
Speaker 2: who's being on that cobody. So she can't, So she
Speaker 2: can't charge him with a sex crime. You know, they
Speaker 2: want her to, but she can't. She's like, that's that
Speaker 2: would be a thought crime, and they're like, well, what
Speaker 2: can we charge him with?
Speaker 3: Like, we need to.
Speaker 2: Get him sex defender therapy, so maybe that could be
Speaker 2: part of the plea deal, like we have to do something,
Speaker 2: and she goes, yeah, but he's fourteen and it's a
Speaker 2: first offense, and Belser is like, well, he touched a
Speaker 2: teacher's breasts in school, so it's actually not his first offense.
Speaker 2: And they're like there's gonna be future visc victims too,
Speaker 2: like we need to make sure we get him, and
Speaker 2: she's like, this isn't even my case. This is family
Speaker 2: court and Craigan goes, no, first degree burglary with deadly weapon.
Speaker 3: The cutoff is fourteen. You can charge him as an adult.
Speaker 2: So we're in court and we have Ned Eisenberg legend,
Speaker 2: rest in peace, and he wants family court.
Speaker 3: She says, felony. So you know what are we gonna do? Judge?
Speaker 2: We got a bail set at five grand, which I get.
Speaker 2: You know, he is a kid.
Speaker 3: He's just like you could tell that he's evil.
Speaker 1: So because the part of me is like, fourteen charges
Speaker 1: an adult, what the fuck? But it's like, I know
Speaker 1: you're evil, so I am for it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Francy asks for an order of protection for Annie, and
Speaker 2: that is granted, and then he says that he needs
Speaker 2: a protection order because he was molested by Stabler. So
Speaker 2: then Rita Wilson's shocks. You know, he's having the time
Speaker 2: of his life. And then Francy is like, oh no.
Speaker 2: Benson's getting the news on the phone in the center
Speaker 2: office and she's like, oh geez, okay. So she runs
Speaker 2: to Stabler, who's lying and says he has to go
Speaker 2: to preschool for Eli, and it's like, in what world,
Speaker 2: in what world are you doing any preschool walk throughs, meetings,
Speaker 2: student affairs. I don't buy it for a fucking second,
Speaker 2: but sure you were going to go to the preschool.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He's pouring coffee and he could tell by Benson's face
Speaker 2: that she's serious about something.
Speaker 3: So she's like, well, what's going on?
Speaker 2: So we talked, you know, we're like, you're accused of molestation,
Speaker 2: and Stabler's pissed. He's like this little fucking psychopath is free,
Speaker 2: like I'm you know, Stabler's through the moon, that's not
Speaker 2: the saying through the roof up to the moon. Benson
Speaker 2: is trying to calm him down, and it's like this
Speaker 2: dumb punk and he's like, no fucking way, this has
Speaker 2: been the plan the whole time, Like, it's not a
Speaker 2: dumb punk thing. I've been set up. I didn't write
Speaker 2: it down because he said it was a joke and
Speaker 2: I kind of forgot about it. I don't know if
Speaker 2: this is something he would have forgotten about, but maybe
Speaker 2: he was just annoyed, like I don't. He's a stickler,
Speaker 2: I guess, so he wouldn't have written it down. But
Speaker 2: amateur move. But yeah, Sailor's putting on a jacket. He's
Speaker 2: obviously about to cause some problems and break some rules.
Speaker 2: He's saying he's not. He's like, I'm just gonna go
Speaker 2: to AaB and just clear this up now before they
Speaker 2: come looking for me. And the moment that he gets there,
Speaker 2: Rita Wilson and Hunter are coming down the stairs and
Speaker 2: she calls him a pervert, and then Tucker runs out
Speaker 2: and he's just like pissed Steven see Stabler, and Sailor goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just wanted to come involuntarily and goes, well, that's suspicious.
Speaker 2: I never sent for you, and it's like, well, if
Speaker 2: you had to send for him, you know. It's just
Speaker 2: like at this point, it's comical. Every time we talk
Speaker 2: about this man. It's the same old samle like I
Speaker 2: can't take him seriously, Like we love Tucker, but I
Speaker 2: hate him. It's so annoying. Hunter puts Hunter and Tucker
Speaker 2: what is this? And so Hunter puts on his sunglasses
Speaker 2: and pushes them on his face like trying to be
Speaker 2: a cool kid, and Sailor's trying to be chill and
Speaker 2: says it's a setup.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 2: Tucker's like, I hate you and you have a big file,
Speaker 2: and he goes, yeah, but that's for my temper and
Speaker 2: being mean to pedophiles, like I'm not going to touch kids,
Speaker 2: and you know that's a no. You know, tucker raspy voice,
Speaker 2: he brings me to the edge, honestly. Stabler goes, I
Speaker 2: protect kids, I don't touch them. Tucker's still not move
Speaker 2: Stabler smiles and Shock like are you fucking kidding? And
Speaker 2: then Sabler is like, you're an idiot, and then also
Speaker 2: calls him a moron, and Stabler goes, the door was
Speaker 2: wide open, and then Tucker goes, yeah, that's why we
Speaker 2: have a witness. So the smile goes off Stabler's face.
Speaker 2: So it's not just like listen, you know the door
Speaker 2: was open. I wouldn't have done it. I followed the rules.
Speaker 3: Leave me alone. You're a fool. This is like a
Speaker 3: kid with a plan.
Speaker 1: But now season twelve and suddenly stablers are touching kids.
Speaker 1: I don't come on, yeah, a wrap around, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about whatever?
Speaker 3: There's a witness.
Speaker 2: Nelson, the uniform cop is walking by Benson at work.
Speaker 3: She's like, what happened, dude.
Speaker 2: He's like, I told the truth and ben And goes, well, yes,
Speaker 2: so you know it didn't happen.
Speaker 3: He's like, I can only say what I heard and saw.
Speaker 3: I can't lie.
Speaker 2: And then and he's like, I saw Stabler move away
Speaker 2: from the kid after I came in the room and
Speaker 2: bun Benson's obviously going to fight for her man and
Speaker 2: h and Nelson goes, I couldn't see his hands, and
Speaker 2: Benson goes, I can't believe you're letting this kid play you,
Speaker 2: and he goes, listen, don't worry. I've been punished because
Speaker 2: I talked to AaB and now I'm as signed somewhere stupid.
Speaker 2: I don't want to work and now I have to
Speaker 2: get there, so bye. So Craigan's not talking to Benson
Speaker 2: and Stabler saying he doesn't want anybody harassing Nelson.
Speaker 3: So now we're in lawyer talk time.
Speaker 2: Ned says that his client would be down to drop
Speaker 2: the case if they drop theirs, and Francy's like, so blackmail,
Speaker 2: are you kidding me? Basically, the excuse is like, listen,
Speaker 2: it's a kid, like we got it, like first offense,
Speaker 2: let's let's let's throw this away. And she's like, well,
Speaker 2: I want this to be his last, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't matter if it's it's first. But
Speaker 2: he seems like he's a psychopath. And he's like, come on,
Speaker 2: don't take away this kid's childhood. And it is a
Speaker 2: really tall fourteen year old. He does not give me
Speaker 2: fourteen years old. She goes, I don't want to let
Speaker 2: a future Ted Bundy walk and Ned goes, well, a
Speaker 2: jury's not going to convict this child, and he says
Speaker 2: with the deal, at least he'll get some help. So
Speaker 2: then we cut straight to Kathy and Stabler in bed
Speaker 2: and the phone is ringing. It's super early in the morning,
Speaker 2: and Kathy answers the phone and goes, surprise, surprise, it's
Speaker 2: your office wife. And I wonder if they coined kind
Speaker 2: of the term like I've never you know, I wonder
Speaker 2: if she is Benson the original work wife.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It feels like this has been said for a long time.
Speaker 3: But yes, for sure, the original work wife.
Speaker 1: But in a way that is a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't like workwife because they're like it implies something weird.
Speaker 1: They're like, no, i'm his wife, like I am, yeah,
Speaker 1: but Kathy likes it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kathy likes it.
Speaker 1: Kathy's like so fucking secure that these two are never
Speaker 1: going to hook up.
Speaker 3: It's like kind of wild.
Speaker 1: So the day she gets blown up in that car,
Speaker 1: She's like, you two are never going to fuck but
Speaker 1: I yeah.
Speaker 3: Like some people don't like that. They really hate that.
Speaker 1: They really hate when someone goes, oh, yeah, I'm his
Speaker 1: work wife and they're.
Speaker 3: Like, nah, that is weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah you can't say it, but the she Kathy could
Speaker 1: say it, Benson can't say yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: But Kathy's like, listen, we're taking a personal day. So
Speaker 2: then she hangs up and turns to Stable and goes
Speaker 2: Good News Live Things to off the hook for a
Speaker 2: trumped up melestation charge that you forgot to mention, and
Speaker 2: it's it's it's gonna. You know, they pled out, but
Speaker 2: I would be pissed if my partner was accused of
Speaker 2: melestation and didn't give me a heads up.
Speaker 3: Whatever.
Speaker 2: The pleading out does not make Stabler happy. He's pissed
Speaker 2: and we're we're in court and it's allocution time. And
Speaker 2: this boy had been unlawfully entering the home. He was wasted,
Speaker 2: He had no idea what he was doing. The judge goes,
Speaker 2: stop editorializing, and then Stable runs into court, runs to
Speaker 2: Francy and goes, don't do this, stop this, like this
Speaker 2: is a freak. Rita Wilson stands up and says, we
Speaker 2: have a restraining order against that man, and it's wild.
Speaker 2: And then the judge wants Stabler escorted out and she
Speaker 2: doesn't like being interrupted. Stabler and Fann are at a
Speaker 2: bar and Stabler is like that this boy is like
Speaker 2: flying through his teeth. He has no remorse, like we
Speaker 2: cannot let him go. And I think he learned a
Speaker 2: lot about this through Kyle McLaughlin, Like I think sociopathic
Speaker 2: kids like this is his, this is his thing.
Speaker 1: Now he gets a vibe. I think he catches a
Speaker 1: vibe from kids that are like hot hit, like really
Speaker 1: cocky and like arrogant and sort of like sociopathic, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then Finn is telling a Stabler like, listen,
Speaker 2: she pled this out for you, and Silba goes, no,
Speaker 2: she did this because she's an idiot, and they keep
Speaker 2: talking trash, and she walks in and goes, okay, guys, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm not an idiot, and I actually did not do
Speaker 2: it for you. Oh She's like, listen, he's he got
Speaker 2: three years, like a three year sentence, but out of jail,
Speaker 2: like it's like a probation parole style thing. And if
Speaker 2: he does any offense that gets broken and it's automatic detention,
Speaker 2: fifty hours of community service, alcohol class and sex offender class.
Speaker 2: So you know, that's actually pretty good because if I
Speaker 2: rolled the dice and lost, there'd be nothing. At least
Speaker 2: this way, there's supervision for three years. And then Finn
Speaker 2: gets a buzz for an active crime scene, but Finn
Speaker 2: is like, you can't come, and of course Stabler comes,
Speaker 2: and then Bellser goes, well, thanks for following my instructions,
Speaker 2: you dumb bitch. And so the victim is Madeline fifty
Speaker 2: is businesswoman and her skirt is hiked up throat slit
Speaker 2: and Stabler goes it's him, And I don't know why
Speaker 2: they're jumping to this conclusion like that, but Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this kid has so far like not only she
Speaker 1: hasn't even committed a crime, he hasn't as far as
Speaker 1: they know, he has not even he was just planning
Speaker 1: to possibly attack someone.
Speaker 3: And he's a piece of shit and he's a little shit.
Speaker 2: So I don't know why they would see this body
Speaker 2: with no sharedmos or anything. And maybe it gets him
Speaker 2: for sure, but yeah, Sabler has a sixth sense about this.
Speaker 2: So they're jumping to conclusions and then and they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I wonder if he did this because like he's pissed
Speaker 2: about the rules of his punishment or is he celebrating
Speaker 2: that like he got out of not going to jail.
Speaker 2: So Stabler and the parole officers show up and Read
Speaker 2: is annoyed because the restraining order is done, like that
Speaker 2: is part of the deal, and he's like, nope, I'm
Speaker 2: here to introduce you to mister Sawaki, your probation guy.
Speaker 2: Surprise visits are fun. It's a seven thirty curfew, so
Speaker 2: he must be home, right, So they go to knock
Speaker 2: on his bedroom door. The music's on loud, no one
Speaker 2: is answering, and then Stabler hears a noise, so he
Speaker 2: walks to the kitchen to investigate, and well, you know,
Speaker 2: there he is holding, you know, by the knife drawer,
Speaker 2: holding a knife, and they're like, well, where did you
Speaker 2: come from? And you know, he's super mister sassy pants.
Speaker 2: And they go back and forth, and he said that
Speaker 2: he was locked out of his room and he usually
Speaker 2: like uses a knife to enter it, and so the
Speaker 2: room is locked from the inside, which is strange and
Speaker 2: only a knife can open it. He also does seem
Speaker 2: fucked up and drunk, so I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: He says he has nothing to hide and to enter
Speaker 2: the room, and like does not care, and Sailor's looking
Speaker 2: at him, looking at him, goes, even the clothes you're
Speaker 2: wearing don't fit you, what you know, and he goes, well,
Speaker 2: you certainly know how to make a guy feel self conscious,
Speaker 2: and this kid is funny.
Speaker 3: And then samhar asks.
Speaker 2: Rita Wilson, like, are these the clothes he was wearing
Speaker 2: the last time you saw him?
Speaker 3: And are they his?
Speaker 2: And she says yes, and Sailor's like, okay, listen, this
Speaker 2: kid is clearly drinking. The clothes don't fit him. He
Speaker 2: was found in the kitchen. His room door was locked,
Speaker 2: Like what games are we playing here? Breathalyze this motherfucker.
Speaker 2: He blows a point oh nine, so he goes, oh,
Speaker 2: cough syrup, and they arrest him. They're like, a cough
Speaker 2: syrup doesn't get you a point oh nine. Rita Wilson goes,
Speaker 2: why are you obsessed with him? And it's like on
Speaker 2: day one, he's drunk and holding a knife. So we're
Speaker 2: in the office and Craigan is explaining to fit in Munch,
Speaker 2: the difference between parole and probation and how they can't
Speaker 2: just haul him away. They're doing a hearing on Friday,
Speaker 2: so we have to find out like if he did this,
Speaker 2: where did he get these clothes? Like where did he
Speaker 2: ditch the weapon? He is smart, like how did he
Speaker 2: do this? Did he get wasted out? Did he get
Speaker 2: back home? There's so much to figure out about the case.
Speaker 2: So they go to the emmy and the victim that
Speaker 2: they found, Madeline, is choked out and it wasn't a slice,
Speaker 2: like it wasn't through the cuts. Basically the cut was
Speaker 2: not strong enough to go that deep. This is actually
Speaker 2: like so fucking gruesome. This is fucked up. This is
Speaker 2: Neil Bear written all over it. So the cut was
Speaker 2: to the trachea and like part of this thyroid artery
Speaker 2: that got nicked. And then those cuts were bleeding and
Speaker 2: the blood went into the windpipe and then she choked.
Speaker 3: On her own blood.
Speaker 2: Awful, awful, And so he had her up against the dumpster.
Speaker 2: He was raping her from behind and with the straight
Speaker 2: edge to the throat that's when the cuts happened. And
Speaker 2: then that's like whatever, but no condom and they're running
Speaker 2: the DNA now, so we need to compare it to
Speaker 2: something though, And the plea deal did not include a sample.
Speaker 3: They arrested him.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why you don't fingerprint and get like swabs, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't get it. You've always fingerprint, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if you always do DNA. I think you have
Speaker 1: to get come health us. Why they do the tricks
Speaker 1: with the soda, you know. Yeah, No, you're right, you're right,
Speaker 1: and I'm for the law. Okay, So but he must
Speaker 1: have left DNA something, So we're looking. So we go
Speaker 1: back to Annie Murphy and she's like, oh the nightie,
Speaker 1: the pink thing.
Speaker 3: You know, I threw that away.
Speaker 2: But we have Judith Cipers on the scene and she
Speaker 2: starts spraying, you know, a liquid into the closet where
Speaker 2: he was hanging out, and there's a black light and
Speaker 2: there's jigs in the closet. The jiz is everywhere all
Speaker 2: over and then Annie is so innocent, she goes, ew,
Speaker 2: what was he doing in there? And it's like clearly
Speaker 2: jerking off in your closet, like you're thirty four. Belzer goes,
Speaker 2: the legal term is hanging himself. Okay, jokes. So Stablers
Speaker 2: like following him, waiting to see if like the evidence matches,
Speaker 2: like to bring him in at any moment, but also
Speaker 2: to make sure he's not attacking anyone else. So whilst
Speaker 2: he's following him, you have a hunter following a woman.
Speaker 2: So like, okay, he's gonna like catch hunter attacking this
Speaker 2: woman that he's following. But they enter the gates. They
Speaker 2: go into a church. You know, Stabler goes into the church,
Speaker 2: they exit out the door like a back door of
Speaker 2: the church. He follows them through there. He's sprinting and
Speaker 2: guess what it's aa, babe, it's aa. It's TENAA TENAA.
Speaker 2: Part of the court order. Stabler feels dumb for sure,
Speaker 2: but he's blinded with range. You know what I mean
Speaker 2: with rage, not range and range. Okay, Craigan is in
Speaker 2: the office and is pissed, like are you fucking dumb?
Speaker 2: And Cragan says, you were as dreamingly wrong. So this
Speaker 2: emmy walks in this tall string being of a man
Speaker 2: and he goes listen.
Speaker 3: While I was.
Speaker 2: Waiting for the DNA from the closet, I ran the
Speaker 2: DNA from the murder victim into codis and I got
Speaker 2: a hit on five unsold rapes in Oregon and then
Speaker 2: got the closet DNA and it's a match. So Hunter's
Speaker 2: actually a fourteen year old series rapist.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, a freshman in high school, ninth grade, full murder, rape,
Speaker 1: cross country like this is insane and kind of devious enough.
Speaker 2: To then continue like playing these games in court, unbothered,
Speaker 2: full socio.
Speaker 3: Munch is in a Fedora.
Speaker 2: They're discussing Oregon and basically he would do summers with
Speaker 2: his dad there, and so the time where Hunter was
Speaker 2: there with his dad coincides with like all these murders.
Speaker 2: But he's still cocky and creepy, and Rita Wilson is
Speaker 2: still like, why are you destroying my son's life? And
Speaker 2: she goes, is this all because of revenge? Is this
Speaker 2: revenge because of the Stabler accusation? And they're like, do
Speaker 2: you not get it? And so then they like walk
Speaker 2: to the board and it's all these women's photos and
Speaker 2: they're going through them like, you know, one was in
Speaker 2: an elevator, one was in a hiking trail, one you know,
Speaker 2: like one was in a parking garage.
Speaker 3: There's all these women.
Speaker 2: So Rita Wilson goes, are you trying to stick every
Speaker 2: crime in the country on him? And he looks just
Speaker 2: like the composite from Oregon, Like there was a dry
Speaker 2: there were witnesses, So we have this organ composite. It
Speaker 2: looks just like Hunter and that's fun. And that's when
Speaker 2: he started wearing pantyhose. So we've seen this like motherfucker
Speaker 2: grow and not grow. We've seen this motherfucker like adapt.
Speaker 2: So he uh, she says it wasn't Hunter, and they go, no,
Speaker 2: we have the DNA, like there is sperm. There is sperm.
Speaker 2: You have to stop. The sperm was all the same,
Speaker 2: like what are you doing? And then Benson comes in
Speaker 2: with a fact twenty percent of sexual assaults are committed
Speaker 2: by teens, but most of their victims are people their age,
Speaker 2: So why is Hunter going old after older women? And yeah,
Speaker 2: all the women like they were they got being like
Speaker 2: they said though all the women's ages, and I was
Speaker 2: confused while they were doing it, And now it makes sense.
Speaker 2: All the women were between the ages of thirty eight
Speaker 2: to fifty six, So why older women rita Huh, he
Speaker 2: was molested by one maybe maybe a woman around your age,
Speaker 2: and she's shocked. She goes, you're sick. I would never
Speaker 2: and then uh oh he flew out the window. So
Speaker 2: basically what happened was he was arrested in the back
Speaker 2: of a cop car. He said he wasn't feeling good,
Speaker 2: so the cop like open the window a little bit,
Speaker 2: and then Munch and Finn are like driving behind, following
Speaker 2: the car and they see him fall out the window,
Speaker 2: handcuffed this and they're like, you're an idiot to the cop,
Speaker 2: and the cop goes, I don't think he'd slide through
Speaker 2: that little hole, and it is nuts. He was like
Speaker 2: cuffed flying so whatever, so they like, see this, I
Speaker 2: just love this. So they have to go to the
Speaker 2: hospital and oh my god, he's fucking missing at the
Speaker 2: hospital too. They put him in the MRI machine, but
Speaker 2: he was uncuffed and he fucking knocked out the tech,
Speaker 2: put the tech in the gown, put him in the MRI,
Speaker 2: and ran off. The fact that they left him unattended,
Speaker 2: uncuffed in an MRI machine after he threw his body
Speaker 2: out of a moving vehicle, and now we know that
Speaker 2: he's a serial killer rapist with five victims behind him,
Speaker 2: is like, what are we talking about?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: It's like a chase to find this child. He's climbed
Speaker 2: through the air vence. What Rita is now? At home,
Speaker 2: She's crying, stabler and finner with her. She's so annoying.
Speaker 2: She's like wait and then they tell her they're like,
Speaker 2: you want us to find him first, okay, because they're
Speaker 2: gonna fucking kill his ass. So he sounds fucked and
Speaker 2: he calls and he's like, are there cops there? Of course,
Speaker 2: Ria Wilson lies and says no. He's like, whatever, everyone's dumb.
Speaker 2: I tricked everyone into thinking I was paralyzed. I'm a genius.
Speaker 2: She's like, come home. He calls her, dumb. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of name calling in this episode, truly yeah, and
Speaker 2: he goes, I'm obviously not coming to the house. There's
Speaker 2: gonna be cops there. His speech is slurred. He calls
Speaker 2: her a dumb cow. Now she goes, you're drunk, and
Speaker 2: he goes, whatever, thanks for selling me out. And then
Speaker 2: he says bye to the cops. So he does know.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 1: And then he says, I hope it's you, stabler.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go do your job for you, you giant douche,
Speaker 2: and hangs up. So then I asked Rita Wilson, like,
Speaker 2: what is he talking about? She cries. She says, I
Speaker 2: don't know. She's left sobbing. They go find the phone
Speaker 2: where the calls were made. A homeless guy has the
Speaker 2: phone and it's actually his phone. Goes, I let the
Speaker 2: kid borrow my phone. Actually, so a real perspective shift here,
Speaker 2: and he goes, yeah, he called some guy a douche.
Speaker 2: Love that, and he goes and the deal was awesome,
Speaker 2: and I got a bottle of booze out of it,
Speaker 2: so we got like a giant bottle of booze.
Speaker 3: So let this kid borrow the phone.
Speaker 2: He's in a great mood getting wasted Craigan and Benson
Speaker 2: and Stabler are like, fuck, so it's desperate. It could
Speaker 2: be bad. He could be like suicidal. Rita Wilson now interrupts.
Speaker 2: She goes, please, don't let anything happen to him. This
Speaker 2: isn't his fault, it's mine. She says, you were right,
Speaker 2: he was molested. Benson tells her to sit down. So
Speaker 2: Hunter on the phone said to her, you should have
Speaker 2: helped him and taken care of him, and Stabler reminds
Speaker 2: her like that he was saying all that, and she goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: he was seven, and it took her months to realize
Speaker 2: that something was wrong. But then she finally got him
Speaker 2: to tell her the truth and the babysitter was molesting him,
Speaker 2: but she didn't want to press charges because she didn't
Speaker 2: want people to know. And she'd like, yeah, so this
Speaker 2: babysitter did really bad things to him and made him
Speaker 2: do stuff. And now she's fully crying and she never
Speaker 2: got him help because she just wanted him to forget
Speaker 2: about it and be normal, like you are dumb, You
Speaker 2: are a dumb Yeah, actually, now that I am on
Speaker 2: your son's side here, so he's like he also said
Speaker 2: he was going to do the job for me. Fuck
Speaker 2: does he know where this woman lives? So they go
Speaker 2: to Ellen Huffner's apartment, guns up ready. They see a
Speaker 2: liquor bottle on the ground, so they know he was
Speaker 2: here and he killed her and then took his own life.
Speaker 2: There's blood everywhere, a gruesome crime scene, and then uh oh,
Speaker 2: Hunter's actually alive. The blood all over him is from
Speaker 2: the babysitter, and now they're helping him and being super
Speaker 2: nice to him, and it's like, he did kill a
Speaker 2: bunch of people in rape, Like, I don't think we
Speaker 2: need to be nice to him.
Speaker 3: I don't actually care, and yeah, so he's crying.
Speaker 2: He says he doesn't know why he did things to
Speaker 2: other women that wasn't him, and Benson's like, well, we
Speaker 2: know why you did it, and he goes but now
Speaker 2: I can stop, and it's like, yeah, because you're gonna
Speaker 2: be in jail. But he goes confronting Ellen. You know,
Speaker 2: really helped me, and I think I feel better now.
Speaker 2: But like he asked her, why did you do this
Speaker 2: to me? And she wouldn't tell him, and so he goes,
Speaker 2: at least she won't do it to anyone else, and yeah,
Speaker 2: neither will I, he says, and he says, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be all right, It's all gonna be okay now, and
Speaker 2: the detectives do look horrified and stickwolf baby.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I believe that killing his babysitter
Speaker 1: is just like, Okay, I'm normal now, Like I don't
Speaker 1: know that he's not going to keep going to commit crime,
Speaker 1: Like even if they were to you know, he will
Speaker 1: go to jail obviously, but even if they were like
Speaker 1: let's say they were lenient and they're like, we're gonna
Speaker 1: try him as a juvenile because he's been molested in
Speaker 1: all this stuff, Like like I don't think he would
Speaker 1: stop if he got out at eighteen, you know.
Speaker 3: No, I think he's fucked forever.
Speaker 2: But I am sure he feels a sense of euphoria
Speaker 2: or relief or something like he has a killer, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But also it's obviously the babysitter's fault, but it's the
Speaker 1: mom fault as well, Like you were just burying all
Speaker 1: this shit and then like when he started acting like
Speaker 1: a yeah, when you started acting like a full sociopath,
Speaker 1: you weren't, like, I wonder if this is linked? And
Speaker 1: then and then they called you and you were like
Speaker 1: let him rot in jail for a night. My son
Speaker 1: who got molested by a babysitter like seven years ago,
Speaker 1: Like it's crazy behavior, but it's like he's still so young. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's seven years out from being seven. Like it's really
Speaker 1: like not that long of time, like since he's gone
Speaker 1: through this threat like horrible thing and then had time
Speaker 1: to I mean, how old was he when he did
Speaker 1: all these rapes in Oregon? Thirteen? Like it's really crazy.
Speaker 1: But let's get into the true crime. There's a bunch
Speaker 1: of crimes listed as possible stuff that this could be
Speaker 1: based on. I think a lot of them are just
Speaker 1: because the victims are young and there's not actually as
Speaker 1: much I mean not the victims, I'm sorry, the perpetrators
Speaker 1: are young and not necessarily like have as much linking.
Speaker 1: Like for example, like there's this case called the case
Speaker 1: of Dana Gibson, who was fourteen and nineteen ninety when
Speaker 1: he was charged with sexually abusing six girls ages nine
Speaker 1: to seventeen.
Speaker 3: This all took place.
Speaker 1: In the Brownsville area of Brooklyn, which is just east
Speaker 1: of Crown Heights, and he would attack victims in the
Speaker 1: hallways elevators, building rooftops. He lived in Flatbush, and he
Speaker 1: was arrested in an attack of a fifteen year old
Speaker 1: and then was charged with five other crimes when victims
Speaker 1: picked him out of lineups. He was charged with rape, soughtomy,
Speaker 1: attempted rape, and sexual abuse, and since he was charged
Speaker 1: as a youthful offender, he would be subject to lesser sentences.
Speaker 1: I could not find any sentencing information for this guy
Speaker 1: after or any inmate information. I looked up inmate lookups,
Speaker 1: and then I did find one other article that found
Speaker 1: a follow up that when he was unhoused in two
Speaker 1: thousand and four.
Speaker 3: At this point, he's twenty eight.
Speaker 1: He was arrested for trying to grab one twelve year
Speaker 1: old girl and then assaulted another twelve year old girl
Speaker 1: in this apartment building where the girls lived, and according
Speaker 1: to the New York Post, he was unhoused and had
Speaker 1: spent half his life behind bars. So I think it's
Speaker 1: safe to say that he's he's incarcerated somewhere. I just
Speaker 1: don't know why. I can't find his listing anywhere. But
Speaker 1: there's not a juvenile when he went in Maybe that, yeah, maybe,
Speaker 1: But then he's twenty eight when he got this other bust,
Speaker 1: which I would assume you would go back to jail for.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, maybe he was mentally unfit or something,
Speaker 1: and he's in a medical facility, and that's why I
Speaker 1: can't find it. The other problem is when you just
Speaker 1: google Dana Gibson, there's some other nurse or something who
Speaker 1: did something wrong. Hold on, let me just you get
Speaker 1: a lot of like a prison nurse. I think about
Speaker 1: Debbie Gibson. Yeah, you get a prison nurse named Dana
Speaker 1: Gibson who was having sexual relations with a inmate at
Speaker 1: the prison that she worked in. So yeah, classics, so
Speaker 1: very bron win, very bron win coded. So basically it's
Speaker 1: hard to find anything about Dana Gibson, this fourteen year old.
Speaker 1: But also I don't really think that it has that
Speaker 1: much to do with the actual case, besides the fact
Speaker 1: that while he's like fourteen and he's committing all these crimes,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I didn't find anything about his
Speaker 1: background or you know, I'm sure he did not have
Speaker 1: a happy upbringing if by fourteen he was on a
Speaker 1: spree of rapes, But there was not that much information.
Speaker 1: The case I mostly focused on was the case of
Speaker 1: Cody Lajebakov, and I might be saying that wrong, but
Speaker 1: that's how I'm going to say it. And this takes
Speaker 1: us to the distant land of Canada. Cody Lajebakov was
Speaker 1: born in January of nineteen ninety and raised in Fort
Speaker 1: James in rural British Columbia. According to friends and family,
Speaker 1: he was well liked, had no red flags or violent behavior.
Speaker 1: He played hockey at a high level. He was on
Speaker 1: the high school skateboard team. I didn't have the those existed, sure, sure,
Speaker 1: but in Canada that's kind of like not really, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like literally anything. So you know, it's like having
Speaker 1: the last name Smith in Canada. So like I feel
Speaker 1: maybe they wasn't a red flag. So his parents were married,
Speaker 1: they had not no offense to anyone. Play, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: his parents were married. He's he says his parents were
Speaker 1: good to him. He had two siblings, He graduated high school.
Speaker 1: Like he's not the picture of, you know, of a criminal.
Speaker 1: Like his family even had money apparently because there the
Speaker 1: grandparents used to own a sawmill. And I guess he
Speaker 1: had like a minor criminal record, but he wasn't like
Speaker 1: really quote unquote on the radar of the local police.
Speaker 3: So now in late.
Speaker 1: November of twenty ten, it is And this is the
Speaker 1: reason why I think that this is linked to the
Speaker 1: episode more just because of the crimes, but also the timing,
Speaker 1: Like this episode came out in twenty eleven. These this
Speaker 1: guy was you know, kind of discovered by the public
Speaker 1: in twenty ten, so like it's related. And it was
Speaker 1: evening it was like nine to forty five at night
Speaker 1: when a Canadian police officer, which the RCMP the Royal
Speaker 1: Canadian Mounted Police I guess, noticed a truck speeding, driving
Speaker 1: erratically and then pulling out of a remote logging road
Speaker 1: is where they originally spotted this car. It's like a
Speaker 1: road nobody really uses, and they thought maybe this person
Speaker 1: was poaching animals. So apparently when they pulled this guy,
Speaker 1: Cody over, he had blood smeared on his face and
Speaker 1: there was a pool of blood in the truck. When
Speaker 1: they searched his car, they found a wrench covered in
Speaker 1: blood and a backpack shaped like a monkey and a
Speaker 1: wallet that had an ID card that read Lauren Leslie.
Speaker 1: So when the cops were like, what's with the bloody wrench,
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, yeah, I was poaching animals.
Speaker 3: And he goes, quote, I'm a rednick. That's what we
Speaker 3: do for fun.
Speaker 1: So there was no deer in the truck, like he
Speaker 1: said he was poaching deer or killing deer or something.
Speaker 1: And he's like, there was there were no deer in
Speaker 1: the truck. So where's where's the meat, where's the skins,
Speaker 1: where's like the product? He trace his tire tracks back
Speaker 1: down the road that they'd seen him drive out of,
Speaker 1: and they eventually found footprints in like light snow that
Speaker 1: led them to the body of Lauren Leslie, who was
Speaker 1: a fifteen year old, and the bus led them to
Speaker 1: other victims. The first victim of his was Jill Stacy's Dachenko,
Speaker 1: thirty five, mother of six, who went missing in October
Speaker 1: of two thousand and nine, was found four days later
Speaker 1: in a gravel pit.
Speaker 3: Then that was nine fall of nine.
Speaker 1: Nothing for about ten months unless there are unknown victims,
Speaker 1: which I tend to think there might be. Then Natasha
Speaker 1: Lynn Montgomery twenty three, a mother of two. She went
Speaker 1: missing in August of twenty ten. Her body has never
Speaker 1: been found, but in Lejebakov's apartment authorities found shirts, shorts,
Speaker 1: bed sheets, a comforter and an axe that had Natasha's
Speaker 1: DNA on it, so that's how they linked hit her
Speaker 1: without you know, there being a body. And then Cynthia
Speaker 1: Francis Moss, thirty five was found in a park in
Speaker 1: October of twenty ten with blunt forced trauma the head, brutal,
Speaker 1: brutal details coming up everybody, a hole in her shoulder blade,
Speaker 1: a broken jaw and cheekbone, and injuries to her neck
Speaker 1: like someone had stomped on it. So this was not
Speaker 1: like a like choke and run type of thing. This
Speaker 1: was like a violent, violent murder. And then Leslie was
Speaker 1: November of twenty ten. So again I find it hard
Speaker 1: to believe he took this long ass break between October
Speaker 1: of twenty ten and August of twenty ten. But I'm
Speaker 1: sure that you know, there's all kinds of murders in
Speaker 1: this area of Canada to against indigenous women, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's like other murders that just were never like
Speaker 1: linked to him. But Stachenko, Montgomery and Moss the older
Speaker 1: the grown women were sex workers, and apparently Lajebakov was
Speaker 1: addicted to coke and use these sex workers to get it.
Speaker 1: Other articles say crack, don't. I don't really know what's
Speaker 1: the truth there. Lauren Leslie was the fifteen year old
Speaker 1: She had met la Jebakov on a website called sept
Speaker 1: Next Sapoia Next Opia. I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1: But Leslie was legally blind. She had she was blind
Speaker 1: in one eye and only fifty percent vision in the
Speaker 1: other eye. And like, despite the fact that the day
Speaker 1: that they met up, the day before they met up,
Speaker 1: Leslie had sent Leajebikov a text saying we're just hanging
Speaker 1: out right, nothing sexual. He claims they had consensual sex
Speaker 1: and then went for a drive in the woods, and
Speaker 1: then he said that she had gone that she had
Speaker 1: quote unquote gone psycho and started attacking herself with a
Speaker 1: wrench and a knife, and he said he he said
Speaker 1: at the end she was dying, and he did hit
Speaker 1: her a couple of times because he said, quote I
Speaker 1: wanted to like put her out of her misery, and
Speaker 1: I did hit maximum two times and then then I
Speaker 1: left end quote. So this guy stood trial for four
Speaker 1: counts of first degree murder. He pled not guilty when
Speaker 1: he was questioned in the trial. This is where I
Speaker 1: think there's a little bit of a connection because there
Speaker 1: were sexual assault elements to all of these murders. But
Speaker 1: obviously in this episode, the kid only killed one person
Speaker 1: and this guy killed many more. But he he pled
Speaker 1: not guilty at trial, which is wild. But he also
Speaker 1: had like a very extremely flat affect, like he was
Speaker 1: just really like, no, I would never do something like that,
Speaker 1: Like he just was. He claimed to be really well adjusted,
Speaker 1: part of a normal family. But yet none of his
Speaker 1: relatives ever showed up to court. Not anybody was related
Speaker 1: to ever showed up to support him in court. So
Speaker 1: no one, no, And he was nineteen when he committed
Speaker 1: these crimes. By the way, he was nineteen, So he
Speaker 1: kept insisting, yeah, like I'm a normal guy. When the
Speaker 1: cops questioned him, he was like, no, no, my girl.
Speaker 1: I met my girlfriend. She's going to be a teacher.
Speaker 1: I'm going to become I'm going to finish my apprenticeship
Speaker 1: and work in a parts department at a car dealership.
Speaker 1: And then he says, quote kid's marriage, start a family,
Speaker 1: live happily ever after end quote. So this guy's like
Speaker 1: he's very pro like the lady doth protest too much
Speaker 1: about how normal he is, you know, And at trial
Speaker 1: he claimed to have been quoteunquot involved in three of
Speaker 1: the murders, but said he was not the one who
Speaker 1: actually committed the crimes. He said he was it was
Speaker 1: a drug dealer, and these two guys that worked for
Speaker 1: the drug dealer, but he would only call them X,
Speaker 1: Y and Z, like he didn't have names for them,
Speaker 1: or he wouldn't give the names. He claimed that in
Speaker 1: these three crimes against these old these women, that he
Speaker 1: was a butcher's assistant and that he just handed over
Speaker 1: murder weapons, cleaned up blood, moved bodies, et cetera, but
Speaker 1: he wasn't the one that actually took their lives. He
Speaker 1: tried to plead down to second degree murder. The prosecution
Speaker 1: in Canada was like, I don't think so, honey. He
Speaker 1: was convicted on all four counts on September eleventh, twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: and he got life in prison with no possibility of
Speaker 1: pearl for twenty five years. So that would make it
Speaker 1: twenty thirty nine before he even has the possibility of pearl,
Speaker 1: and he'd be forty nine years old. I don't really
Speaker 1: think they're going to let him out as a forty
Speaker 1: nine year old, Like if he was like seventy nine maybe,
Speaker 1: but like the judge who sentenced him to prison time,
Speaker 1: I'm and over his who presided over his court was
Speaker 1: British Columbia Supreme Court Justice Glenn Parrott, who said, quote
Speaker 1: he lacks any shred of empathy or remorse. He should
Speaker 1: never be allowed to walk among us again, end quote.
Speaker 1: And he was originally in one jail and now he's
Speaker 1: in the Warkworth Institution, a medium security prison in Ontario.
Speaker 1: And people, if you google Canada's youngest serial killer, this
Speaker 1: guy's name comes up. A lot of people say he's
Speaker 1: Canada's youngest serial killer because he was nineteen when he
Speaker 1: committed these crimes. But apparently the youngest is Peter Woodcock,
Speaker 1: who was seventeen when he raped and murdered three young
Speaker 1: children in Toronto nineteen fifty seven. But he was found
Speaker 1: not guilty by reason of insanity and spent the rest
Speaker 1: of his life behind bars and still managed to kill
Speaker 1: an inmate before he died in twenty ten.
Speaker 3: This Peter Wouldcock guy. But Lejebikov still in jail.
Speaker 1: And it's just like crazy because in all of these article,
Speaker 1: all these interviews with him or what he told the police,
Speaker 1: like the police. He's like, no, I'm not that kind
Speaker 1: of person, like I would never do that. I'm not
Speaker 1: from that kind of family or whatever. And it's like
Speaker 1: he fully committed all these crimes and then just so
Speaker 1: there wasn't like the babysitter connection like in the episode,
Speaker 1: but just like a young sort of psychopath who had
Speaker 1: a taste for murder and sexual assault.
Speaker 3: And that's that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, just thinking about me at fourteen, it's
Speaker 1: not on my mind.
Speaker 3: I know we're nineteen, even I can't even like I
Speaker 3: guess nineteen.
Speaker 1: I also was not thinking of yeah, yeah, I'll be
Speaker 1: honest at my current age. Also not thinking about murder,
Speaker 1: just not thinking about it. Not not I'm not capable.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm capable. I don't think so, but
Speaker 1: I think about it.
Speaker 3: I do think. I think I know a lot of
Speaker 3: ways to cover it up that I've gleaned.
Speaker 1: But the body tells I would only self defense, murder,
Speaker 1: self defense murder, kill a pedophile, Dexter style crimes, dexter
Speaker 1: robin hood, yes, yes, vigilante dot justice yeah yeah. Yet,
Speaker 1: but we have an allegend, we have an awesome interview,
Speaker 1: we do.
Speaker 3: I'm really excited, so don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: Our guest today is no stranger to the Dick Wolf universe,
Speaker 1: having played Officer Kim Burgess in one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: eight episodes of Chicago p D. She's also appeared on
Speaker 1: shows like Gossip Girl and the Americans, but you know
Speaker 1: her best as Annie Meyers, a girl who will not
Speaker 1: let a Republican get to first base and who found
Speaker 1: a little pervert name Hunter Maslin doing something weird in
Speaker 1: her closet. Please enjoy our chat with the delightful Marina Squatschotti.
Speaker 3: Yay, nice to let you.
Speaker 2: I'm also fresh from soul cycle, so so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm fresh from Yeah, I'm embarrassed to say this.
Speaker 5: Mom hip hop class? Yeah cool, don't be embarrassed. Mom's
Speaker 5: need to move.
Speaker 3: Do you learn?
Speaker 2: I'm not embarrassed, Like when do you learn like choreo
Speaker 2: for one song? Or is it like a lot of
Speaker 2: hip hop with steps or something?
Speaker 5: So this may be hard to believe, but I'm very vocal.
Speaker 5: And when everyone was like the dance structure was like
Speaker 5: what song do you guys want?
Speaker 3: And everyone's like, I don't know. I was like Missy
Speaker 3: Elliott's one minute ma'am. Yes, Oh my god, do you
Speaker 3: know that in college?
Speaker 1: I took a hip hop class that I learned sixty
Speaker 1: seconds of choreo to one minute man that I could not.
Speaker 3: Walk for three days. It was so difficult. Like I
Speaker 3: just brought up that one song.
Speaker 5: Wow, I'm so excited for like the first bar Metsca
Speaker 5: because I am going me and the moms were just
Speaker 5: gonna like casually be like and then we're like.
Speaker 3: Dun break men.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be like the movie, a nineties movie All
Speaker 5: the Moths just going hog a while.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: But I was curious, what are the places you love
Speaker 2: in the city? What is yeah, like, what are you
Speaker 2: enjoying about Chicago or nothing?
Speaker 5: I don't enjoy the winter and like, you know, I'm
Speaker 5: on a show where it's you're wearing like a thin Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm in the elements. I'm basically like Magellan of Chicago.
Speaker 3: It's pretty awful. I was a bit of a New
Speaker 3: York snob when I first came here. I was like, no,
Speaker 3: nothing comparse, you know, But I have found so many
Speaker 3: cool like.
Speaker 5: Little places to have food or have like that's sounds
Speaker 5: so dumb, but to see plays and I've just I've
Speaker 5: created a really cultural experience in Chicago, which I thought,
Speaker 5: like they only have, you know, Shakespeare in the parking
Speaker 5: lot of New York. They have all that stuff here
Speaker 5: and that's important to me, and I have a daughter
Speaker 5: and all that, like, you know, really rich cultural stuff
Speaker 5: is important to me. Like I don't even even seeing
Speaker 5: the score of Frozen at the Chicago Symphony Orchestra even nah,
Speaker 5: you know, just like all of it.
Speaker 3: I eat up life and I want and Chicago has everything.
Speaker 3: So it's been great.
Speaker 1: Well, and you went to college in Chicago, right, you did?
Speaker 1: You went to Northwestern.
Speaker 3: I went to Northwestern. I all my friends went to
Speaker 3: the East Coast, and I was.
Speaker 5: Like, I'm going to end up in the East coast
Speaker 5: the West coast, so I might as well go because.
Speaker 3: I'll never be back. And then there you are.
Speaker 5: Have you been there for like a decade, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean this is my I just got re sign
Speaker 5: so I'll be here. This is my thirteen years.
Speaker 1: Wow. That thirteenth year is tough with the universe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like that's when Christopher Maloney took off and that
Speaker 1: Rollin's I mean, they're bringing her back.
Speaker 3: But Kelly giddish too.
Speaker 5: Is the twelve year I just hold own a second.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna show you something. I just texted with Kelly
Speaker 5: and I was like, because I saw like her on
Speaker 5: Instagram doing a dance with Mariushka and I go, do
Speaker 5: you see?
Speaker 3: I was like, dude, you're back, She goes, I'm back. Yes,
Speaker 3: what happens that?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: I still I do have one more Chicago question.
Speaker 2: We can ease into su but I we've had you know,
Speaker 2: some med.
Speaker 5: It's always important to ease into sexual victims. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, don't yeah, don't go too quick.
Speaker 1: Do you guys hang out or see the med and
Speaker 1: fire people? Or is it pretty all separate? Like how
Speaker 1: is the Chicago Dick Wolf universe?
Speaker 3: It is very friendly.
Speaker 5: In the beginning, it was much more like because we
Speaker 5: had a lot more crossovers. We just hung out all
Speaker 5: the time, and no one had really found their space yet, right,
Speaker 5: and so nobody really had lives yet, and so we
Speaker 5: just had more time for each other. That sounds like
Speaker 5: we're not friends. We are all friends, but we just
Speaker 5: like we were. We filmed fourteen hours a day, so
Speaker 5: this very little time. That being said, like, I've just
Speaker 5: created a new friendship with Jesse from BED. I see
Speaker 5: like randon a Paytha, we're just over at my house.
Speaker 5: Like there's just like this very little time, but we're
Speaker 5: all very good friends.
Speaker 1: A Patha that's a name, that's a law and Ordered
Speaker 1: universe name drop huge, I mean a dick Wolf universe
Speaker 1: name drop like just Y.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's all I do this whole time, drop
Speaker 5: and names, get ready to pick them up.
Speaker 3: I mean, you just had like.
Speaker 1: The godmother of the Dickwolf universe at your house, No
Speaker 1: big deal.
Speaker 3: Have you had her on this podcast? Because a Patha
Speaker 3: is a you would not expect the person that a
Speaker 3: Pitha is to come out of her. I mean, we'd
Speaker 3: love it, we'd love it. We haven't had her. Just
Speaker 3: got a potty mouth, like a real big potty mouth.
Speaker 1: This episode that you're in Delinquent SVU from like twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: I think you start out with like a hot and
Speaker 1: heavy makeout with this guy and then you find out
Speaker 1: he's a Republican and you're like, audio.
Speaker 3: Funny so good, it's crazy because.
Speaker 2: Wait, funny starts out anymore, Like I don't know, it's
Speaker 2: like fun to have a little funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also like it just feels like Delinquent is
Speaker 1: from twenty eleven. It doesn't really feel like in twenty
Speaker 1: eleven people weren't like dating across.
Speaker 3: The aisle, like I still feel like they.
Speaker 1: Had James Carville and Mary Matt Matt whenever we were
Speaker 1: like we were like, people are you know different on
Speaker 1: my parents have friends where ones Republican and one's a Democrat,
Speaker 1: And now today it's like what, like what that would
Speaker 1: never happen? So like we always say, this show is
Speaker 1: so like it's so like ahead of its it's so prescient,
Speaker 1: like it always is like like showcasing issues that I
Speaker 1: feel like it's ahead of its time when it's doing it.
Speaker 3: So you know, that was one of them, and I
Speaker 3: loved that.
Speaker 5: I remember that there's like certain you guys like I
Speaker 5: hadn't I tough. There were certain scenes in that episode
Speaker 5: that I was like, I don't remember filming that, but
Speaker 5: I do remember when we started that the director goes
Speaker 5: like right before he goes laugh and so to me,
Speaker 5: I just hear me go.
Speaker 3: Because like we start out laughing, and to me it.
Speaker 5: Sounded like not real because he was just like laugh
Speaker 5: or whoever was the director could laugh so that's the
Speaker 5: only thing I could like focus on.
Speaker 3: I was like, ooh, I'm so fake.
Speaker 1: For me, Well anyway, crazy because we have so many
Speaker 1: people come on this podcast and we're like, sorry to
Speaker 1: make you talk about something you did like ten fifteen
Speaker 1: years ago, but you have also done two hundred and
Speaker 1: forty two episodes of a different Dick Wolf show since
Speaker 1: you did that, So like, I would absolutely like imagine
Speaker 1: that you don't remember a lot of your SVU because
Speaker 1: it's like been overlaid by other memories of your acting
Speaker 1: on Gubble, I.
Speaker 3: Had like a couple of memory. I have a couple
Speaker 3: of member let us get in there. Yeah yeah, like
Speaker 3: now when we get there, tell us no.
Speaker 5: I mean the first one was that the laughter which
Speaker 5: sounded like can laughter.
Speaker 3: To me, I was like, that wasn't I would. I
Speaker 3: wish I had come from a place of realness.
Speaker 5: And then to me, what's interesting, Oh yeah, there was
Speaker 5: a there's a part where I like barge into the
Speaker 5: districts and I'm like that.
Speaker 3: Boy trying to rate me. Yeah yeah, yeah. So I'm
Speaker 3: waiting in the background with Richard and Iced Tea.
Speaker 5: I think I think we're I think we're all waiting
Speaker 5: back there, and I think Marishka had given me a note.
Speaker 5: And you have to remember, like I'm much younger. I
Speaker 5: was coming from theater and so like to me, it's
Speaker 5: like you memorize the performance and that's what you do.
Speaker 3: You know, that's what you give.
Speaker 5: And now that I've been on a show for twelve years,
Speaker 5: I realized that's not what camera is. You have to
Speaker 5: be malleable, be ready to like accept in a different way.
Speaker 5: And she'd give me a note and I was really
Speaker 5: like embarrassed. I was really upset. And now that I'm
Speaker 5: going to show twelve years, I give notes all the time.
Speaker 3: So, like I told, she.
Speaker 5: Was totally in her right place and correct about her note,
Speaker 5: but I couldn't get out of my shame of not
Speaker 5: having done it right instead of accepting like I wasn't
Speaker 5: doing it right, and Marishka knew how to do it right.
Speaker 3: And I think Richard said something to me to.
Speaker 5: Help me because I was young and embarrassed and sort
Speaker 5: of like got me out of my funk to like
Speaker 5: do it.
Speaker 3: That's I didn't remember that I remember the note. I
Speaker 3: don't remember the note.
Speaker 5: It was probably about being too big, because that was
Speaker 5: a lot of my notes because I came from theater
Speaker 5: and I was still figuring out.
Speaker 3: At Northwestern they don't teach the camera, and.
Speaker 1: We we hear that about a lot of programs, like
Speaker 1: I hope they've switched it up.
Speaker 3: I don't know, they really haven't. I know, it really hasn't.
Speaker 3: It really haven't.
Speaker 5: And actually after this, I go to Shy Arts, which
Speaker 5: is a public high school in Chicago, to go teach
Speaker 5: a junior's camera technique. Oh oh, it's totally it's a
Speaker 5: totally different thing. And I think I was probably too
Speaker 5: big and that was a shame. I carried with me
Speaker 5: a lot like that. I'm like a clown, you know.
Speaker 5: And she probably said something about that, and I was
Speaker 5: humiliated and she's was right.
Speaker 3: So I do remember that. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: You got to hang out with Iced Tea and Richard
Speaker 2: Belzer in the in the wings.
Speaker 5: Watching out with Coco. They did like a remember they
Speaker 5: did a crossover. They came and she did she have
Speaker 5: the baby? Like she had the baby, she had like
Speaker 5: a little baby, Like, Yeah, I don't know, it's.
Speaker 3: Been a lot of years with that. I get it,
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 2: Wait, we just spoke with someone for the first time
Speaker 2: that mentioned going to his office in California. Like, what
Speaker 2: have been your interactions with Dick Wolf or is he
Speaker 2: just like kind of a Charlie's Angels figure in the distance. A.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, and B he has a dinner with us
Speaker 5: at the start of every year. And for some reason,
Speaker 5: I have social like anxiety and around especially on people
Speaker 5: that I'm like don't know very well, and so like
Speaker 5: I sat by him once by accident, and my cast
Speaker 5: members have thought it's really funny to like put my
Speaker 5: purse right next to him every year, like, like I
Speaker 5: think Jesse Spencer a couple of years ago did it
Speaker 5: to me too, Like I just like, I'm constantly with
Speaker 5: Dick at these dinners and we share a surf and
Speaker 5: turf so randomly. I mean, he's he's a really nice guy.
Speaker 5: He's a powerful guy. You don't want to piss him off.
Speaker 5: But he's a wonderful man. And yeah, he's like bit
Speaker 5: Charlie's Angels a bit like And every year, at the
Speaker 5: end of each dinner, can I curse on a pass?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Just adam, he says. At the end of each dinner,
Speaker 5: he goes, don't fuck it up.
Speaker 3: That's so funny. That's RuPaul's catchphrase, Is it really? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Ru Paul says good luck and don't fuck it up
Speaker 1: every episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: He always talks about how we have lightning in a bottle,
Speaker 5: which is true, like we have a cass gets along,
Speaker 5: we're all really hard workers, and he's always like, don't
Speaker 5: that then, don't fuck we have lightning in a bottle,
Speaker 5: don't fuck it up.
Speaker 1: Did you have like, besides going that kid trying to
Speaker 1: write me, did you have any scenes with that freaky
Speaker 1: little kid that was your I mean, I'm sure he
Speaker 1: was like a twenty five year old man playing a
Speaker 1: fourteen year old but.
Speaker 3: The guy that uh, he was a ten. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was also wearing like pink silk pantaloons like they
Speaker 1: were like bloomers.
Speaker 3: Those were mine apparently that.
Speaker 1: Makes but those yeah, yes, we're like, I know what
Speaker 1: a costume, the pink I know it's.
Speaker 3: My cosplay of like a Bridgerton. How was it being
Speaker 3: in court? How was it?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Was it that I do not remember?
Speaker 5: I was like looking like I'm going to this class
Speaker 5: and I'm going to be teaching musical theater students how
Speaker 5: to act for Can't Run.
Speaker 3: I'm like that is a hard wheel to turn, Like
Speaker 3: it's like, can I be so cute seeing the students?
Speaker 3: I don't know, I've never been young. This is your
Speaker 3: first son? Whoa yeah, yeah, yeah, they're.
Speaker 1: All gonna they're all gonna be like god, I hope
Speaker 1: I get it, and you're gonna be like tone it
Speaker 1: like oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Wait I got you at seven negative yeah yeah. But
Speaker 3: but I've been there, Like I've really been there.
Speaker 5: I just remember I'm looking I was watching only me
Speaker 5: when when the show was on it I'm in the
Speaker 5: background in the court, and I'm like, am I like
Speaker 5: commoting a little too much? Like my face had had
Speaker 5: a reaction for everything that happens, and I was like, Gambrina.
Speaker 3: It's so funny. You should tell your students this too.
Speaker 1: Like we watched this show obviously so much, and then
Speaker 1: like we watch episodes over and over sometimes if we're
Speaker 1: gonna cover it for like one of our live shows
Speaker 1: or something, and we will always like notice some background
Speaker 1: person that's like background like doing so much, and you're
Speaker 1: like your background Like, but it's funny cause if you,
Speaker 1: I mean, they might not pop to you the first
Speaker 1: time you're watching it, but if you're watching episodes over
Speaker 1: and over you're like that woman is doing way too much.
Speaker 1: Or like the other day, we had like a uniformed
Speaker 1: cop on an episode who was like she just had
Speaker 1: the most perfect diction, like a full actress, and was like,
Speaker 1: the victim is at the hospital right now getting her
Speaker 1: rape kit. I was like, that's I just don't feel
Speaker 1: like that's how a New York City cop would talk.
Speaker 3: But okay, you know, I'm glad you got the game girl.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 5: I was just gonna say a lot of times when
Speaker 5: we're filming, we have to do things over again because
Speaker 5: of background, background being too big.
Speaker 3: Oh so that's like a a oh, it's huge. It's
Speaker 3: a huge thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had a friend who was on SNL one time
Speaker 1: as a background and she stared into the camera the
Speaker 1: entire time. He's like, you girl, look away, what are
Speaker 1: you doing amazing?
Speaker 3: That's so good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Or the gesticulation stuff like because they're not allowed
Speaker 5: to talk, right, Yeah, Like I've done it too. I
Speaker 5: think it's really hard when you're like not talking to
Speaker 5: just be like small and natural because you're like it's
Speaker 5: my moment, but it's not.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I was background one time and it's
Speaker 1: really hard.
Speaker 3: Never again.
Speaker 1: I was a stand in a step above, but I
Speaker 1: did have to do a lot of talking with a
Speaker 1: glass of like pomegranate juice at a bar.
Speaker 3: It was, you know, not for me.
Speaker 2: But I was gonna see if you have memories from
Speaker 2: your second sv episode Daydream Believer crossover, the crossover with Dallas.
Speaker 3: I literally was like I wasn't in one Dallas. Well,
Speaker 3: that was when they did the Nadia. The whole Naughtia
Speaker 3: thing was like the crossover.
Speaker 1: You know Dallas Roberts. Yeah, Dallas Robert creep, creepy creep.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 5: It's so funny that you say that, because Dallas is
Speaker 5: so lovely and that's what we had him.
Speaker 3: We also met him on a drunk night out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, al we secured him on the podcast Everybody Meets Dallas.
Speaker 3: Everybody Meets Dallas. We saw with our friends Dallas.
Speaker 1: And we were and we were like, you have to
Speaker 1: do our podcast, and he was like, yeah, no problem.
Speaker 1: But also I was like scared of him a little
Speaker 1: bit because he's such a scary. He's one of the
Speaker 1: top five scariest like killers. I feel like that they
Speaker 1: have on s view, so like it's I agree, you know,
Speaker 1: but most of the people we've talked to that are
Speaker 1: nightmares on the show are the nicest people ever, So
Speaker 1: you know, no, it was shocking.
Speaker 2: We were like, did you just bring Yates to our friends?
Speaker 2: Like we couldn't believe it.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think he is one of those people
Speaker 5: that makes me like more in the industry because you
Speaker 5: want to be like, he's the kind of for I'm like,
Speaker 5: if I wasn't in this crazy industry and like meeting
Speaker 5: twenty people a day, I would be best friends with you.
Speaker 5: I like liked him so much, and I was like, well,
Speaker 5: never maintain this relationship.
Speaker 3: You're over there, I'm here, Like it's just like but
Speaker 3: like that's the nature of this what's so great?
Speaker 5: You have best friends who are like a week and
Speaker 5: then you then they phase out of your life and
Speaker 5: maybe you do another show with them, but it's kind
Speaker 5: of sad.
Speaker 3: It's like summer camp for adults.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah, because I was wondering, like, cause you're
Speaker 1: like your journey Dick wolf Wise is like you do
Speaker 1: you do Criminal Intent and O nine, you do SVU
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven, and then three years later you were
Speaker 1: series regular on another show. So they obviously were like
Speaker 1: Annie Meyers was doing something right. Obviously whoever you were
Speaker 1: on criminal intent did not register with you or anyone else.
Speaker 5: But no, it's funny about you know, two weeks, no,
Speaker 5: maybe like two months before I got my role on
Speaker 5: Chicago PD, I had been offered a role on Chicago Fire,
Speaker 5: and I was not in a sort of place in
Speaker 5: my career where I'd ever been offered a role. I
Speaker 5: was like, oh my gosh, maybe this is where I'm
Speaker 5: building to. And I was offered it on a Friday
Speaker 5: and it was revoked up Monday. It was a three
Speaker 5: episode arc, revoked, revoked, and I fell into just despair
Speaker 5: and I was like, if I can't even get a
Speaker 5: role that I didn't audition for, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean?
Speaker 3: You know you're you're when you're going dark. You'll take
Speaker 3: anything dark and make it darker.
Speaker 5: And I was like, if I can't even get a
Speaker 5: roll that I didn't even audition for, how am I
Speaker 5: going to make it in this industry? Like they took
Speaker 5: it away from me, they didn't even see what I
Speaker 5: could do. And then it's it really is. My one
Speaker 5: door closes, a window opens, because had I done that?
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have been able to do Kim Burgess, which
Speaker 5: is single heightedly changed my life.
Speaker 3: So it's pretty great. So, but that was a moment
Speaker 3: where I was almost on fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah you still have still you have two dozen episodes
Speaker 1: with fire.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean as my character, as my character. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well now that you are, you know, like a series regular.
Speaker 2: When you get these guest stars in do you think
Speaker 2: about Marisha in the note?
Speaker 3: Like, are you?
Speaker 2: I do, like, I really do, what's your like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, vibe or attitude and the total hympocrit.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm a total hypocrit. I'm like, listen, you're doing
Speaker 3: it wrong. No, I'm very I'm very business forward on set.
Speaker 3: I'm nice. I'm very nice, but I'm very like, we're
Speaker 3: here to work, right.
Speaker 5: Sometimes I'll help a guest star if I feel like
Speaker 5: they really need it and it and it's just it
Speaker 5: must feel so hard to get a note from another actor,
Speaker 5: and I'm very sensitive to that, and so I do
Speaker 5: try and be like, even though I'm professional, I'm like,
Speaker 5: I love what you're doing, but like the camera isn't
Speaker 5: going to catch it right. Or sometimes they're like, especially
Speaker 5: if they're in theater and it's their first rold whatever
Speaker 5: they're they're solving and everything, and the cameras on me
Speaker 5: and I'm like, listen, I know you think you're going
Speaker 5: to have this energy in two hours when we turn around,
Speaker 5: but you're not.
Speaker 3: You're drying a light tear ducks.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was like, just I promise you, just save it.
Speaker 5: You've given me all I need. Like things like that. Also,
Speaker 5: one of the hard things with guest stars is like
Speaker 5: you have a you have a couple of lines, and
Speaker 5: you've memorized it exactly how you want to do it,
Speaker 5: you know, and you need to when you're with another actor.
Speaker 3: You need to be.
Speaker 5: Loose and relaxed and ready to play. And that's hard,
Speaker 5: especially we get a lot of theater actors. It's hard.
Speaker 5: It's hard to do because you have this moment and
Speaker 5: you don't want to screw it up and it's your
Speaker 5: first time on set. So I try and play with them,
Speaker 5: or I'll sometimes I'll scream that sounds awful, But like
Speaker 5: sometimes I'll be like just totally mix it up to
Speaker 5: like give up something to react to. If they're too nervous,
Speaker 5: I'll just do the part completely differently to make to
Speaker 5: force them I'll do.
Speaker 3: I have a lot of tricks. I have a lot
Speaker 3: of tricks.
Speaker 5: And I feel like poor poor Murrish guy was in
Speaker 5: like a bad mood after one note and.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile I'm here like this is what I do with
Speaker 3: guest stars one two?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think it's really the to reaque.
Speaker 5: I think was on your podcast to something and he
Speaker 5: was like, got a note from a Stabler and was like,
Speaker 5: they're so seasoned.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing. It's like, we really know the show.
Speaker 5: We know what they're looking for, we know how to
Speaker 5: do this, and so we help guest stars along or
Speaker 5: we secretly whisper to the director and to help the
Speaker 5: guest start law.
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry, Chicago PD is in just season thirteen
Speaker 1: has just got picked up. So are you like a
Speaker 1: Maurushka Hargatay where if this baby keeps going into like
Speaker 1: season twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight, you're there for
Speaker 1: the ride, I think.
Speaker 5: So I think I've really like filled that space and
Speaker 5: I've gotten my character to I've become a character I
Speaker 5: think that has really grown. And I think when a
Speaker 5: character changes that allows me to have longevity. And I
Speaker 5: don't know, it's been so great and such a great
Speaker 5: experience that like, I hope I'm there at the end.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Broadcast television is in.
Speaker 5: Like a weird space, so I have no idea what
Speaker 5: the future is, but I hope I'm there with it.
Speaker 5: Although I'm on a show with guns, you never know
Speaker 5: what's gonna have. Can't get too cocky.
Speaker 2: Wait, you know what I'm still suck on is having
Speaker 2: a full pair of legal day job and then running
Speaker 2: off to Broadway like.
Speaker 3: That I did during season one of Chicago b D
Speaker 3: as well. I was like, I don't know if this
Speaker 3: thing has likes.
Speaker 5: So I was a real estate pair legal and I
Speaker 5: had to put in thirty hours a week in order
Speaker 5: to keep my job in benefits because I was like
Speaker 5: it was a mid season pickup and my husband was
Speaker 5: living in New York and I was living here. I
Speaker 5: was living in a basement apartment with a married couple
Speaker 5: of my friends of mine and just sort of like
Speaker 5: paying seven hundred dollars for.
Speaker 3: A bedroom and being like, I don't know if this
Speaker 3: is going to work. I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't know, And like I you know, I lived
Speaker 5: in New York and I had a big rent and
Speaker 5: so yeah. So I kept it for a while and
Speaker 5: then I think it was Jesse Lee so Soffer who
Speaker 5: was like, you have to quit. Okay, you're in season
Speaker 5: two of a Dick Wolf show. Yeah, but wait one
Speaker 5: very riskily conservative for an actor.
Speaker 3: I'm like, really type A. So I gave me fun
Speaker 3: I'm a lot.
Speaker 1: That's good now, But when you're I was just gonna say,
Speaker 1: what did you do on Broadway?
Speaker 3: Did you do musicals or did you do plays or
Speaker 3: what was.
Speaker 5: I did a play by Casey Nicolau who did a
Speaker 5: Book of Mormon, and I played a role. It was
Speaker 5: like a it's based on a movie, and I played
Speaker 5: a role like that's sort of the dumb blonde and
Speaker 5: I had a.
Speaker 3: Whist like this.
Speaker 5: I was sort of like, I think Grasspberry is the
Speaker 5: king of the soft fruit. And the day before opening,
Speaker 5: the head of the theater comes up to me, she
Speaker 5: goes do it without the voice, and so I was
Speaker 5: like totally thrown because I had memorized my performance at
Speaker 5: that point.
Speaker 3: So I was like, I think Raspberry is the king
Speaker 3: of the soft fruit.
Speaker 5: Like not funny at all, lands with a lead balloon,
Speaker 5: like it was really hard to figure that out.
Speaker 3: As we were opening.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't the person say it during any other rehearsal,
Speaker 2: during dress Like, is this a hater? I know, but
Speaker 2: what a fucking weird thing to do on opening night.
Speaker 3: It's like a villain in a movie before opening. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah it was yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah. It wasn't great. You know, it wasn't a great show,
Speaker 5: but it was a great experience. It was a good
Speaker 5: learning experience. And I hope to be back on Broadway
Speaker 5: because I would not like that to be my final time.
Speaker 2: No, but like, when you're on break from the show,
Speaker 2: are you ready for your downtime, family time chilling or
Speaker 2: are you like, oh, I want to book something or
Speaker 2: do a theater do what's your energy when you're off
Speaker 2: the show?
Speaker 5: Both, as you can see my audition camera light, it's
Speaker 5: right there, it's both. I want auditions. I want it,
Speaker 5: I want all the roles. And as soon as I audition,
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh my gosh, these relax.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I'm both I want auditions and I
Speaker 3: don't want them.
Speaker 5: But I hustle. I'm still a hustler. I still I write,
Speaker 5: I do all the things.
Speaker 2: And then do people recognize you around Chicago? Are people pumps.
Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean in Chicago, I'm a big fish in and
Speaker 5: like in New York, nobody cares well.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like, I think in New York nobody
Speaker 1: cares at all, Like I've passed Julianne Moore on the
Speaker 1: street walking down, like nobody's doing anything, you know.
Speaker 3: And then in La it's more like I think.
Speaker 1: People are like want to bother you because they're like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm here in your Disney world of celebrity people, so
Speaker 1: can I talk to the characters?
Speaker 3: Oh it's funny, yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: In Chicago we're very big. We get recognized a lot.
Speaker 3: You know, I have to sort of I don't. I
Speaker 3: don't walk.
Speaker 5: Around stylish or with makeup on, and so sometimes it's
Speaker 5: like a little soul crushing to take a photo because
Speaker 5: I don't want to say no.
Speaker 3: But I'm also like I just came from my mom
Speaker 3: dance class.
Speaker 5: Like I don't really love to not do a selfie
Speaker 5: right this second.
Speaker 3: I was like, if you catch me right after work,
Speaker 3: I'd love to, you know, Yay. She was fun.
Speaker 1: She was like a regular person. It was so like
Speaker 1: a conda grounded.
Speaker 2: I don't know, well, I brought her up to Ted,
Speaker 2: you know, my acting coach, and he was like, I'm
Speaker 2: obsessed with her. They did like what is it Westtown?
Speaker 2: What's the Williamstown? Williamstown. They've done Williamstown together and he's
Speaker 2: known her for a long time and yeah, I was
Speaker 2: like awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also talked to this guy I know who owns
Speaker 1: a comedy venue in LA and he went to Northwestern
Speaker 1: with her and is like, I just saw her at
Speaker 1: our reunion and she's just one of those people you
Speaker 1: see her and you're like, yeah, we're gonna have fun,
Speaker 1: Like she's really He just was like, I love her,
Speaker 1: She's great.
Speaker 2: She was just down in a person and really theatery,
Speaker 2: like acting like ten hours for an audition. I've been
Speaker 2: talking about that nonstup but in a not pretentious way. Fine, cool.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it was a really invigorating interview.
Speaker 1: I would say yes, because I definitely think there's a
Speaker 1: fine line of people talking about quote unquote the craft
Speaker 1: and not and not sounding pretentious, and like she's definitely
Speaker 1: firmly on the side of not being pretentious.
Speaker 3: I agree, Yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 1: I also I do have the playbill and it does
Speaker 1: not say SVU, so dr.
Speaker 3: You're not proud.
Speaker 1: I mean it was twenty five years ago. She just
Speaker 1: does too much that's current.
Speaker 2: But she also is just you know, this is her
Speaker 2: eleventh Tony nomination, so like the theater of it all
Speaker 2: is in there. But I mean with Patti Lapone, like
Speaker 2: for five hundred people to sign a thing wanting you
Speaker 2: to not be invited to the Tonys is like I
Speaker 2: wonder how she's like feeling.
Speaker 3: Not that it matters, but.
Speaker 1: I thought her apology was like pretty well written. She
Speaker 1: was like, listen, I'm a I'm a loud mouth bitch
Speaker 1: and I know when to say sorry.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have. I should have said what I said,
Speaker 3: you know, like.
Speaker 2: She but it's because of the back lat But it
Speaker 2: wasn't because she's sorry. It's not like she listened to
Speaker 2: a black people saying like it's fucked up what you're doing.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's an email to her publicist that goes, sure,
Speaker 1: that's fine, slap my name on it, like she didn't
Speaker 1: even write it, you know.
Speaker 2: No, I'm sure she's pissed because she has been acting
Speaker 2: like this for forever. But I think because I've been
Speaker 2: watching just a lot of black creaders talking about it,
Speaker 2: and it's just like you could have listened a long
Speaker 2: time ago, and you've gotten away with this horrible attitude,
Speaker 2: which none of us could have gotten away with Yah.
Speaker 1: For so long. But she is a legend. I've just
Speaker 1: never said that's not tr true. Of course we've seen it,
Speaker 1: but it's usually like sexual abusers, but even they get defended.
Speaker 1: I've just never seen someone like that quick overnight, like
Speaker 1: go fuck yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Patty, but yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: Because the whole thing with the Hell's Kitchen where it
Speaker 2: was like too loud, they were sharing the wall and
Speaker 2: it was too loud. But then it's like, but then
Speaker 2: they fixed the music, So why would you still be
Speaker 2: talking about it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely it's it's giving Boomer microaggressive energy.
Speaker 3: For sure, it totally is.
Speaker 2: But it's like I love her talking about Madonna and
Speaker 2: watch what happens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like talking about Trump.
Speaker 1: I like hearing her talk shit about everybody else, just
Speaker 1: not her colleagues. Yeah, not in print calling a black
Speaker 1: woman not a VET bitch, like what but I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, Well, postmortem on this episode to
Speaker 1: Rita Wilson, really not a good mom, not a good
Speaker 1: hashtag boy mom, not a good like just literally like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's cover up your molestation from your babysitter. And I'm
Speaker 1: actually gonna be extra rude and mean to you. And
Speaker 1: he turned into a little socio. But I, like I
Speaker 1: said in the at the end of the episode, I
Speaker 1: don't trust that Hunter is gonna be okay after this.
Speaker 1: I don't think killing his babysitter, Uh, shake that all
Speaker 1: out of him. Yeah, I serving life, and he'll probably
Speaker 1: honestly run something in prison. He's he's very manipulative, you know.
Speaker 1: Uh so maybe he'll have his own little crew or something.
Speaker 2: Well, or he'll learn what the real world's like when
Speaker 2: you're not pampered by your rich mommy.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. My prison.
Speaker 1: She's a marketing executive. No, no marketing executives to help
Speaker 1: you on the in the joint now.
Speaker 2: But this was a good episode for sure in terms
Speaker 2: of bad parenting. Stabler just like have a witness, why
Speaker 2: would you continue booking him?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh and we didn't even like talk about Mariska at
Speaker 1: the next game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, No, that's not what I meant.
Speaker 1: But I was just gonna say, this is Maloney's penultimate episode,
Speaker 1: like this is his second to last episode, and in
Speaker 1: this episode, it's like they're in investigating him for possibly
Speaker 1: touching a kid, and he's like, are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 1: Like I feel like it's part of the build up
Speaker 1: to him leaving, is like, really, are you kidding? Like
Speaker 1: I've been in this for so long, I've never once
Speaker 1: been like accused of touching a kid, and now this
Speaker 1: little sociopath comes in here and you guys think I
Speaker 1: touched him?
Speaker 3: Like, you know, I could see why.
Speaker 1: That's how they're building up to, like him having multiple
Speaker 1: reasons to get the fuck out of SVU, not just
Speaker 1: that our friend's girlfriend busted into the precinct and shot
Speaker 1: a lot of people dead, including Sister Peg. But you
Speaker 1: know that was definitely the straw that broke the big
Speaker 1: ass on Maloney. But yeah, an awesome episode, a chilling
Speaker 1: true crime. Should we move on to what Sister Peg do?
Speaker 3: Okay? And I knew it and I was looking it up.
Speaker 2: And the guy who the prison guard who ends up
Speaker 2: raping Penstucky? Who is her boy the boyfriend he's in Gypsy?
Speaker 3: Oh really?
Speaker 2: Yeah, James meccanamon get a better name, No, JK yeah,
Speaker 2: I was watching him. It's a smaller part, like he
Speaker 2: plays a few characters in the ensemble, but I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I think I know him.
Speaker 3: He's got a really specific look. He's very squirrely looking.
Speaker 2: You know, he wasn't squirrely in this, but I'm trying
Speaker 2: to look in his because he's in SVU and it
Speaker 2: it doesn't say it.
Speaker 3: Oh he I believe.
Speaker 1: I believe he is in an episode where they beat
Speaker 1: up unhoused people, Like, I think he's in that episode
Speaker 1: where like and then that leads to something else, remember
Speaker 1: when they do like bum fights or something like that.
Speaker 1: You're right, he's in Babes. You're totally right. And yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like a red herring.
Speaker 3: He's also in townhouse incident.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, Oh my god. Oh but I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you really quick before we we like wrap up.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 1: I was on John Hill's radio show yesterday and is yeah,
Speaker 1: very sexy internet man who has shows on radio Andy.
Speaker 1: He's like on Andy Cohen's podcast as his like you
Speaker 1: know ed McMahon. He quizzed me on SVU stuff, but
Speaker 1: his producer made the quiz and I think she used
Speaker 1: chat GPT and they were wrong about so many things,
Speaker 1: like they go, oh, they were telling they were doing
Speaker 1: like a game that you and I have done at
Speaker 1: our shows. Is this real or is this an SVU plot?
Speaker 1: Like is I mean, is this an sv plot? Or
Speaker 1: did I make this up? And there was this one
Speaker 1: that was clearly the plot of Alternate with Cynthia Nixon
Speaker 1: and I go, that episode's called Alternate, It's Cynthia Nixon
Speaker 1: and like, I explained the whole thing, and then he goes, oh, great,
Speaker 1: really close.
Speaker 3: It's called Savant. I go, no, it's not.
Speaker 1: Savant is an episode where a girl has a special
Speaker 1: disorder where she has perfect pitch and she hears her
Speaker 1: mother getting murdered and she can identify the man who
Speaker 1: did it because she has perfect pitch and she can
Speaker 1: hear it in the next room. And he was like wow. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm sorry, your Chatgypt isn't correct.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And everyone that told us that we had
Speaker 2: an ad with chat GBT we have taken care of
Speaker 2: We're a very anti AI podcast.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we've taken care of it, but thank you
Speaker 1: for flagging it. And if you ever find a weird
Speaker 1: ad on our podcast, definitely let us know.
Speaker 3: If it's like an ad for something that we would
Speaker 3: not support.
Speaker 2: I'm against so many things, but I am so against
Speaker 2: AI and chat GBT and this is why.
Speaker 3: And for him, you, oh no, it's savant. How dare you?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: I love him.
Speaker 1: It's like his producer made the quiz and I looked
Speaker 1: at her and I was just like, girl, like, this
Speaker 1: is all stuff that like, you know, you can google, like.
Speaker 3: It's not you know, but yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 1: I caught him on like three things that were incorrect
Speaker 1: on this as for you quiz, and it was very
Speaker 1: satisfying but also reinforce the mental illness I have where
Speaker 1: I basically cataloged the plot of five hundred plus episodes
Speaker 1: of a television show.
Speaker 3: In my mind. Okay, do I remember what happened during
Speaker 3: the Renaissance?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Do I remember anything about geography? Not really? Okay, let's
Speaker 3: move into what would Sister PEG do this?
Speaker 1: This is our weekly segment where we point you towards
Speaker 1: a resource, an article, a book, a documentary, something to
Speaker 1: give you more info about what we talked about. And
Speaker 1: for this week, I wanted to point you towards this
Speaker 1: show that's called Making a Serial Killer, which I think
Speaker 1: most of you would probably just enjoy in general and specifically,
Speaker 1: Season two, episode nine covers Cody Lejebikov, the guy that
Speaker 1: I covered in the True Crime. So if you want
Speaker 1: more information about quote unquote Canada's youngest serial killer and
Speaker 1: this convicted psychopath, please check it out. And the link
Speaker 1: that I put in the show notes is to Amazon Prime,
Speaker 1: but it's also available on like two B and free V.
Speaker 3: And Peacock and stuff.
Speaker 1: So you have a lot of options making a serial killer,
Speaker 1: and that will be in our show notes and linked
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Speaker 2: I also remembered I went to Emmy Blattak's special recording.
Speaker 3: It was incredible, Oh amazing, tackling the night away. God,
Speaker 3: I was laughing. She is funny. God, I was laughing.
Speaker 3: I was not gonna laugh. Oh.
Speaker 2: I also did a twenty six year old Indian girl's
Speaker 2: birthday party for all her cousins and friends and exes
Speaker 2: and like it was at five pm at five pan god, oh,
Speaker 2: shout out if any of them are listening JK.
Speaker 1: They would never they had no respect for us.
Speaker 2: Okay, next week's episodes, we will be doing double Man Up,
Speaker 2: Man Down, Season twenty, Episodes one and two. A Doozy,
Speaker 2: A Doozy. Thanks for watching. We're obsessed with all of you.
Speaker 2: Go basketball JK. I don't care now that and Rowlins
Speaker 2: are out. Bye guys, Bye listening.
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