1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly here with the 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. We are live from Steelers training camp here 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: at Saint Vincent College where the Steelers are taking part 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 2: in practice as we speak. We get to see a 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: little seven shots already today. Matt and defense winning that one, 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: and I believe, but my count I had five to two. Okay, yeah, 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: that makes sense. Counting a sack on that first one. 11 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's what I would call that one too. 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 3: I mean, the first one fields ended up in the 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 3: end zone, it was all said and done. But they 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 3: also wouldn't have blasted them in. He would have taken 15 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 3: the sack. Yeah, So I thought the most notable play, though, 16 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 3: was an offensive one. Was the throw in the back 17 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 3: of the end zone. Really nice touch throw over the shoulder, 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 3: dropped it in there. Well, good route design with you know, 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 3: clearing out that whole side of the field. So I 20 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: thought that was kind of the play of the day. 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 3: But the defense definitely got the better of them overall. Yeah. 22 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and several runs in the defense really got great 23 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: penetration and. 24 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: Yeah they were went the line. 25 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, which again when you when you get into these 26 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: kind of situations, you look at that as both good 27 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 2: and bad. 28 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, yeah. I mean again, everyone's cheering for the 29 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 3: touchdowns and all that, but hey, I went Cam Hayward 30 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 3: to beat the guy in front of them just as 31 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 3: much as you want, you know, nausey to get in 32 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: or whatever. So two ways of looking at it. We 33 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 3: had a good conversation about it yesterday with like backs 34 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 3: on backers. Is everyone's looking at these running backs stepping 35 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 3: up and being great in that drill, which they have 36 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 3: been the two starting type guys. But maybe we over 37 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 3: us shot the linebackers' ability to get home too, you know. 38 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Uh, steelers in pads today doing a lot 39 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: of competition kind of stuff. Here, we got some linebackers 40 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: and backs over here on to our right. 41 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 3: I guess I'd call this a version of backs on backers, huh. 42 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: I mean, but they're at the line of scrimmage. Yeah, yeah, 43 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage. 44 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: On the other end, here we got wide receivers working 45 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: against defensive backs and they're one on ones on the 46 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: on the opposite field. You had the one on ones 47 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: with the guys in the trenches. 48 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, which is always a little more difficult to see. 49 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 3: But I guess I'll focus on these backs on backers 50 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: for now too, because. 51 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: The big guys are coming over as we speak, too. 52 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 2: So yeah, at this isn't gonna last very long. Probably 53 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: taking a look at some guys. They might want to 54 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: detach his wings. 55 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 3: I don't know, I've never seen it done this way. Yeah, 56 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 3: I could see tight ends doing it, but I saw 57 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 3: some line I thought running backs lined up on the 58 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 3: line of scrimmage too, with a backer not coming from distance. 59 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, like two yards away. 60 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 61 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're set up on the end of the line 62 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 2: of scrimmage and the like the. 63 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 3: Block of TJ. Watt. Yeah, like somebody on the line 64 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 3: of scrimmage. But they're backers doing it now. Peyton Wilson 65 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 3: did a fair amount of walking down to the edge 66 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: of the line of scrimmage in college, and it's not 67 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 3: uncommon to see a second level defender walk down to 68 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: the edge and at least show pressure. Maybe that's something 69 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: they're looking to do a little more. I don't know, 70 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 3: just rep it. 71 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, just giving it some you know, I mean, you 72 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 2: never know what you're gonna do, and we still don't 73 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: know what this offense is going to really look like, right, 74 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,119 Speaker 2: you know, once they get everything all together. But yeah, 75 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 2: just a different look in that drill. On the other 76 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 2: side here, they're not no quite all the way. I mean, 77 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: it's just an initial battle. 78 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 3: On the other side. 79 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: Here we get the you know, kind of running route concepts. 80 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: Two defensive backs and two wide receivers and you know, 81 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: taking passing off the the outside guy passes off, you know, 82 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: to get the outside goes inside and vice versa. Just 83 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: kind of working on that and. 84 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: A layering and the defense on this pass one didn't 85 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 3: pass anybody off and a wide open receiver, so obviously 86 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 3: there'd be more help. There'ld be nine other buddies out 87 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 3: there to help you. But still that's a lot of 88 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: communication stuff thinking on the fly. And again it's route 89 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 3: concept situations here, a little bit different versions of one 90 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 3: on one slash backs on backers than we usually see. 91 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: And the big guys didn't do much anything. They came 92 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 3: back over. 93 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, competition. 94 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: Folks. 95 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, fully padded, so expect I believe we're going to 96 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: finish up with some goal line stuff here today, So 97 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: oh good, that's interesting. Yeah, but it should be a 98 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: physical practice and big crowd here on hand for the Steelers, 99 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: maybe the biggest one yet that I've seen. 100 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 3: That's what was gonna ask you. I mean, it's just 101 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 3: on the way down here. The hillside seemed packed. I 102 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 3: mean just looking around, it seems like there's not a 103 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 3: lot of grass to look at, tons of people at 104 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 3: field level. I would say this is probably the most 105 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 3: populated practice of the year. 106 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, you know, that's a good one to 107 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 2: come to again, they're padded. Tomorrow is a day off, 108 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: it's a weekend. You get the afternoon practice, so good stuff. 109 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 3: Good stuff. Yeah. So we will not be on the 110 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 3: air tomorrow, but we'll be back to Tuesday this place, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Yeah, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, right, 111 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: and then rid get that first game in on Friday. 112 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 2: H can't wait for that to give us a little 113 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: something different to look at and talk about. 114 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not like it's getting old. Yeah, it was 115 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 3: a lot of players to talk about. It's not like 116 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 3: it's getting old. But I would like to see some 117 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 3: more game situations and things like that to analyze, and 118 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 3: you know, go from there. 119 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, something other than Steelers on Steelers, which is what 120 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: we've been analyzing thus far. And you know, you want 121 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: to see how some of these guys hold up some 122 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: especially some of these young guys, how do they how 123 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 2: do they fare against another team? 124 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, and like Peyton Wilson comes to mind. I mean it, 125 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 3: and no one told me this. This is just kind 126 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 3: of watching from the start of camp. It looked like 127 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,239 Speaker 3: they gave him a lot with the two's in terms 128 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: of mental responsibilities. You know, it's a green dot type guy. 129 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 3: Another nice catch, nice catch by Yeah. 130 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: They were back shoulder throwing up over demonte Kyz and yeah, 131 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 2: just kind of out up and he got called for 132 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: offensive pass interference. So I'm not sure what I'd love 133 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,679 Speaker 2: to see a replay on that, but Kaz was yelling 134 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: for it. 135 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 3: Okay, we do have all the reps here. Yeah. Uh. Anyway, 136 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 3: but like a guy like Wilson, it seemed like he 137 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: was struggling a little bit of you know, getting everybody 138 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 3: lined up, all the communication and then doing his job, 139 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: you know, and it seems to be getting better and better. 140 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 3: So with the twos in the stadium, will he be 141 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 3: the quarterback of the defense. I'm guessing, yes, you know, 142 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 3: I mean, how do things look coming in out of 143 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 3: the huddle? What does Arthur Smith's offense look like schematically 144 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: against a different opponent. Because one thing that people don't 145 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: think about is, Okay, let's just assume that they're going 146 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 3: to play a lot of double tight end sets or whatever, 147 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: and I'm sure they will, but sometimes the defense has 148 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: to dictate what the offense is out there too, right, Hey, 149 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 3: coach Tomin, I got to see eleven person out here. 150 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 3: We're going to be dealing with it a lot. I 151 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: can't be practicing against twelve and thirteen all the time. 152 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, Team Droke coming up here, and now 153 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: we get some eleven on eleven. This should be some 154 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: inside run typically, So let's see what would just like 155 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: you get the first team offense, first team defense out there. 156 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: Again, Russell Wilson's not going to be doing these type 157 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 3: of drills. 158 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 2: Get yeah, double tight ends out there. 159 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 3: I do think it's noteworthy. First team defense into three 160 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 3: four is Wilson and Queen. Yeah, actually no, Queen's not 161 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 3: out there, so I stand correct. 162 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Queen is. Yeah, he's dealing with some kind of 163 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: minor injury. 164 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: Okay, he's not gonna pratice. 165 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't practice yesterday as well. A nice little 166 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: run there by nausea Harris ducking that back inside and uh. 167 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, made some space for himself. 168 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: Good get about a ten yard game. 169 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a real nice chunk case. He looks 170 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 3: like he's a little slow to get up, but just 171 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: dealing with naugy he's fine. 172 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: I think. 173 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 3: That's a big back. Yeah. So who do we have in? 174 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 3: We got louder Milk in with the ones. I assume 175 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 3: that's Cam I yeah. 176 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: Can it looks like louder Milks Larry Ogan Joby. 177 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that was the one that was a little 178 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 3: unsure of. Yeah. 179 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: So but Watt high Smith out there. You mentioned the two, 180 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: you know linebackers. Uh yeah, I mean this is pretty 181 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: much pretty much ones on ones right, Yeah, and fumbled 182 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: snap there. 183 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: I would think they just whistle that dead, but I 184 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: guess my will run it out. 185 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it looked like fields may come out a little early. 186 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: I was thinking the same thing. Yeah, but Herbig's at center. 187 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's his job at the moment, and that's you know, 188 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: to be easy unseat. 189 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: No, he isn't. Also looks like Spencer Anderson in there 190 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: for Isaac samalo at or is he in there for 191 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: James Daniels. Looks like for James Daniels, I should say 192 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: he's in a right guard. 193 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: Anderson has taken as many number one snaps I bet 194 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: at guard as anyone here. Yeah, you know, for either side. 195 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 3: We know that there's versatility there. But he's played a 196 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 3: lot with the ones and it's been good, been good. Yeah. 197 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 3: I think it's a testament to him. 198 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: No, I think that that young man has come a 199 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: long way and uh, you know, was one of the 200 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: stars of camp last year when he were moving them 201 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: all over the place, and now they've allowed him to 202 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: settle in at guard and I think he's been even 203 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: better as a case with a lot of seventh round 204 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: picks on draft day and we're always exhausted, it's like, who's. 205 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 3: That guy again? I mean, we didn't audi him intently 206 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 3: going into the twenty twenty three draft, but the more 207 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: homework we did after it's getting drafted, his versatility, intelligence, 208 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 3: all the things people were saying about and watch them 209 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 3: on tape and it's like, wow, Okay, maybe this guy 210 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 3: can stick around. And he's far exceeded that in uniform, 211 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: especially at La Trope. Yeah. 212 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you see big Darnell Washington in there now. And 213 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: he's had a great camp as well. Yeah, he has 214 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 2: moving much more fluidly. I think he's been a star 215 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 2: on backs and backers too. Oh Bickness, wide open on 216 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,359 Speaker 2: that one, that's forever, big game. Yeah, that's a blown coverage. 217 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: Washington did a nice job there picking up the edge 218 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: linebacker there. 219 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. Sometimes sometimes I think he's a tackle when he's 220 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 3: in protection. You know, just the way he moves and 221 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 3: how big he is in his length. So if you've 222 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 3: never been to one of these practices, you know, Pickings 223 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 3: took that to the house. I mean he's wide open, 224 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 3: well down the field, had a lot of room to run. 225 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 3: Took it to the house a lot lot of times. 226 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 3: If you're on the hillside and you see that, you 227 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 3: cheer and you think it's a big touchdown, but really 228 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 3: they probably get hit, they probably get dragged down. He 229 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 3: might have taken that one to the house. He had space, 230 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 3: he had a lot of room to work. We've seen 231 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 3: him really excel after the catch last year, and that 232 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 3: looked like Pickings in those games where he blew up. 233 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you're going to see a lot 234 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: of that this year. 235 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, another fumble exchange there? Yeah? 236 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: Is that the Fraser at center on that one? 237 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that wasn't him though. The snap came back fine 238 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 3: to Allen and there was a motion guy across and 239 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 3: a running back that kind of this. They all got 240 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 3: tangled up, so snap was fine. It was the exchange 241 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: between quarterback and ball carrier. 242 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike Tom, I'm not going to be happy with 243 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 2: that kind of sloppiness in a camp like this, but that's. 244 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 3: One easy practice on too, just laying there right for him. Yeah. 245 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 2: Another pony formation here, Matt. And we've seen a lot 246 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: of this thus far in this training camp. Just a 247 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: different look, uh you know or pistols Yeah yeah. 248 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, but with quarterbacks sort of halfway between shotgun 249 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 3: and maybe three quarters the way back, not all the 250 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 3: way back at the shotgun. Yeah, that's something I think 251 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 3: we're gonna see quite a bit of. 252 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, defense flying around. Um, yes, defense is good today too. 253 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 3: They are swarming, right, swarming, They're playing with aggression. They 254 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 3: certainly weren't the seven shots period too. 255 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing too. You know you mentioned that 256 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 2: Pickens was wide open here. This is an inside run 257 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: drow right, So the defense may be cheating a little bit. 258 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 3: I think they do that to keep them honest, right right, 259 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 3: I mean year one hundred percent right. I mean there 260 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 3: was a fumbled snap earlier the fields and he threw it. 261 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 3: I just figured out because there was a busted play, 262 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 3: they just improvised. But then they threw one later. 263 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, they throw one every just every once in a while, 264 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 2: just keep the defense honest. And I think maybe that 265 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: kind of was why Pickens was as open as he was, 266 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: because the defense here expecting run, run run. 267 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 3: If they expect a run on that play, they still 268 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 3: allowed a big hole here to thirty eight was the 269 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 3: ball carrier, but it was a big hold, right yeah, 270 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 3: zone play. Yeah. 271 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: The the running backs overall is a group have looked 272 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: pretty good. I mean that was Michael p Ran there 273 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 2: and he had a touchdoetition there. Yeah, he had a 274 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 2: touchdown run in the seven shots where he kind of 275 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: fought his way into the end zone there at the 276 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 2: goal line. They get some they get some interesting guys there. 277 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 3: They do they do? I need to find out more 278 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: about them. I think the preseason will really feature those guys. 279 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 3: I mean, how much is Warren and Harrison's and Patterson 280 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: at this point even gonna play at all. Yeah, So 281 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 3: I would think that somebody out of that group of 282 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 3: other backs, I'm just going I throw and catch there. Yeah, 283 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 3: pickings again, Yeah, moving them around again on the slot, 284 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: that time over the middle, good stuff. But I do 285 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 3: think that running back competition, someone will probably distinguish themselves 286 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: against another team as the number four. 287 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll be honest with you, I don't know 288 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: who it would be at this point. Neither p Ryand 289 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: might be my favorite. He's been around the league. 290 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, without deeply studying them, I would 291 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: assume he's the best. In protection. Edwards from Georgia was 292 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 3: the one I was most excited about coming into camp. 293 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 3: But I can't say that any of them look bad 294 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:12,599 Speaker 3: or tremendous to me. 295 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, Aaron Champion in there. Now, he gets a he 296 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 2: gets some carry. 297 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: Here, defensive flying like you said, oh they are Yeah, 298 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 3: it's uh yeah. 299 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: Champions probably get the most burst of the group. 300 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, he does scoot pretty well. 301 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: But yeah, the other guys are all you know. You 302 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: get Jonathan Ward, you get day one Edwards who you 303 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: talked about there, Michael p Ryan Champions. Got he's like 304 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: that one hundred and ninety five pound. Yeahnt different, a 305 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: little different, differently built than the other guys. 306 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 3: I don't know what they bring to kickoff return, you know, 307 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 3: punt return, pun you know, punt team, all those type 308 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 3: of things. But certainly gonna be keeping an eye if 309 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 3: you know, get it deep into games. If those guys 310 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: are running down on those special teams units too, that 311 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 3: could be real good for their you know, practice squad 312 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 3: chances most likely, unless there's an injury. Yeah. 313 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely, another throw there. 314 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: Oh, probably should have caught that one. 315 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that wasn't a bad throw, and it wasn't. Yeah, 316 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: just uh as Fitzpatcher couldn't haul that one in, but 317 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: he was open. 318 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 3: He has a well designed route though too. 319 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: Is that Russell Russell Wilson taking some snaps now in 320 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 2: this eleven on eleven dress? Yeah, I wonder if they'll 321 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: have him. Is he gonna just hand off here again 322 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: or is he gonna throw? 323 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm kind of interested. I mean, this 324 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 3: will be the first time he's been like eleven on 325 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: eleven ish. 326 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 2: He's done some hand off. Yeah, he's done a hand 327 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: off here and there, let's see if if they do 328 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: it again. The back here on this one is Aaron Champion, 329 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 2: so he's not even winning with the top guys on off. No, no, Russ, 330 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: and it is a handoff. Niceah, nice little inside run there. 331 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely Champion got to the hole quick and uh. 332 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 3: A decent hole and picked up easy five and then 333 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 3: fought for a couple more. Yeah. Absolutely showed a little 334 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 3: more power. I mean, I don't think he's just a 335 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: scat back little guy, you know. 336 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, Wilson's staying in there. Let's throw it. Yeah, him 337 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: throw the football in this situation, I see if they 338 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 2: have him do that. 339 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 3: Kind of wishes with the ones. But that second line though, 340 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 3: isn't too shabby. 341 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: No, not bad at all. Although I think he's out 342 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: there with the threes right now. Yeah he is, he is, 343 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: So they may just hand it off. 344 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 3: Like Connor Hayward out there. I mean there's people that play. 345 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's guys that are gonna make this roster. Yeah, 346 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: I can't tell who the back is here behind them. Okay, 347 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: that's thirty one, that's that's day one. Edwards. He splits 348 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: him out wide, so maybe. 349 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 3: We'll see Uh. 350 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: I like him directing traffic though. Yeah, it looks like 351 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 2: he's in charge. He is gonna throw it here. There 352 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: we go, picked up. 353 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 3: An easy first down there on second to five. 354 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's really his first throw of this training 355 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 2: camp in eleven on eleven's. 356 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 3: So I wonder if he audibled that looked like he did. 357 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: I mean, it sure looked like he just did what 358 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 3: he wanted to do, saw what the defense was doing, 359 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 3: and said, I'm picking up this first down through the 360 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: air because I got a match up. 361 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: I like, yeah, Po pitched that out to Deuce Watts 362 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: to get the first down. 363 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: This often sounds like a picking on fields, but everything 364 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 3: just crisper when it's Wilson. Yeah, I mean, with all 365 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 3: respect the fields, I have not seen him come out 366 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 3: of the huddle and just change things because he wants 367 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 3: to change things like that. I mean, I don't know 368 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 3: if he has that freedom or Wilson doesn't care if 369 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 3: he has that freedom or not. 370 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: Like Ben, you know, does he have that command of 371 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 2: the offense. We don't know. 372 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 3: I assume so you know, I mean, I'm I'm old, 373 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 3: and I know this stuff. I'm not asking for permission. 374 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 2: This is yeah, this is what I see this is 375 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: what I'm gonna do and right it worked. 376 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 3: It's a right move, rightyeah. I mean I've done this 377 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 3: a million times. 378 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely, be you know, absolutely, Let's get to a break. 379 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening 380 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 2: to The Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio and Fox 381 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: Sports Pittsburgh. We are live from Steelers training camp here 382 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: at Saint Vincent College. We'll be back with more right 383 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 2: after this. 384 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on 385 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and 386 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 387 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 2: We are back. I am Dale Lalli. He is the 388 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. We are live from Steelers training camp here 389 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh. This is 390 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 2: the Drive and uh, Matt watching some special team stuff 391 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 2: you want here. A lot of that kind of stuff 392 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 2: and a lot of special teams work in this camp. 393 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: That's not unusual, No. 394 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 3: It's not. I think they're about as high a percentage 395 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 3: of special teams practices I would bet in the league, 396 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 3: just a hunch. I mean, I've been to other camps, 397 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 3: but they stress it quite a bit, and they're doing 398 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 3: some gunner stuff now. And I wonder who's distinguishing themselves here. 399 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that I don't know. You know, that'll be something 400 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 2: I think I'll be very interested to see the first 401 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: time they line up to punt Friday against the against 402 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 2: the Houston Texans who are the first team gunners and 403 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 2: think things like that. People don't think about, Oh. 404 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: I know all right, Like people are like, who cares? 405 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 3: Well you care whenever they return upon for a touchdown 406 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 3: because your gunners think, you know, I mean so. And 407 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 3: I also wonder is it two guys that give bulk 408 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 3: of the reps or is it just like a total 409 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 3: rotation and sew sticks sticks that that could have. That 410 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 3: could be the case too. 411 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: You know, And that's one thing Miles Boykin and James 412 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 2: Pierre were both very good at it last year. 413 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 3: That's a that's a loss, Yeah it is. I mean, 414 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 3: that's to me, is a roster whole question at the moment, 415 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 3: you know. 416 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, And we'll see where that goes. And you know, 417 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 2: that'll be one of the many things that I'll be 418 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 2: watching it again. I want to see who's out there 419 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 2: for the opening kickoff, both offensively and defensively. You know, 420 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 2: we've seen them rep these things but I don't know 421 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: that they've settled on anything quite yet. 422 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 3: No, I'm assuming they have, not, to be honest with you, 423 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 3: I'm familiar. I'm not familiar with Watts from Tulane, a 424 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 3: wide receiver eighty five, but him and Fitzpatrick have done 425 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 3: a little bit of the gunner work. But mostly it's 426 00:18:58,960 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 3: been corners. 427 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know a lot of times it is 428 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,719 Speaker 2: those guys and the corners. The corners. Yeah, you got 429 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: to tackle at the end of it. You got to 430 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: be fast, and the corners are going to be on 431 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 2: a team. I don't know that the other guys are. 432 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: That's the thing. I mean, like, I think what Callaway 433 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: spent the whole year on practice squad and did you 434 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 3: know some good special team stuff last year in camp? 435 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 3: But you got to offer more than just that unless 436 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 3: you're as good as Boykin is at it. Yeah, I 437 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 3: mean yeah. I also think this roster is a little 438 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 3: deeper and harder to make it. I mean hypothetical, if 439 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 3: we drop Boygen on this team right now, would he 440 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 3: be guaranteed a roster spot? I bet not. No. 441 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 2: I think that's why they didn't bring him back. Yeah, yeah, 442 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: you know, because he wasn't going to be guaranteed a 443 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 2: spot working on some punt block down there now. 444 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 3: Something they're pretty good at it in the regular season. 445 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 2: And really, you know, we've talked about this a little 446 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 2: bit thus far, but cutting this roster is going to 447 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 2: be a pain. 448 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 3: It is. It is. I mean, we were talking just 449 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 3: briefly about you know, who are the fifty three and 450 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 3: you know who's gonna be left off, And I mean 451 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 3: there's a chance that you would want ten of these 452 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 3: offensive linemen, four of these tight ends, and a fullback. 453 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 3: But that's like too many blockers to Yeah, you know, 454 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 3: it eats up too much of your team. 455 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 2: That's fifteen offensive players and you're typically only going to 456 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: keep twenty four to twenty five I. 457 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 3: Mean three quarterbacks. 458 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, typical roster makeup is twenty five on offense, twenty 459 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 2: five on defense, and your three specialists. 460 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I think that's why they came up 461 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: with fifty three is just about way. 462 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: So if you keep ten offensive linemen, yeah, you keep 463 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 2: four tight ends nine. 464 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 3: It's almost always three there, and. 465 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 2: Without a fullback that's fifteen. You get your three quarterbacks, 466 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 2: that's eighteen. 467 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 3: Without running backs and receivers. Yeah, I mean it's not 468 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 3: hard to figure out that that's not gonna work. 469 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you keep by you know, blockers, three running 470 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 2: backs is twenty one that only gives you four wide receivers. 471 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: That doesn't work. 472 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 3: I say, it probably doesn't work. But you also don't 473 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 3: have the BOYK and guy in the wide receiver group. 474 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 3: I mean it's usually five or six, So you're right, 475 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 3: it doesn't work. But the way this team's constructed, could 476 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 3: it be four? I mean again, if none of them 477 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 3: are going to be special teamers for you, you could be 478 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: fine on game day with four receivers. Yeah, I mean 479 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 3: that might be your best twenty five. 480 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 2: The problem becomes what happens if somebody gets hurting game? 481 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 2: Now you do have Cordero Patterson. I guess he's one 482 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: of them, right, that could get you in and out 483 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: of a game. Yeah, with an injury there, and you 484 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: maybe keep an extra guy in the Connor Hayward could 485 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 2: help you out in those kinds of situations. 486 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 3: And how often is this team to go four wide? 487 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: Not very I haven't seen it yet this camp. 488 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 3: I haven't seen it yet this camp either. So if 489 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 3: you go with four receivers, the chance of those guys 490 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 3: ever be on the field together, period is pretty slim. 491 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 3: And if two get hurt, that matters. But if one 492 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 3: gets hurt, does it? Yeah, especially if Roman Wilson's ready 493 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 3: to go to start the season, I would think he'd 494 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 3: be one, you know. 495 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, And did see him today walking around over at 496 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 2: the at the cafeteria and no walking boot on. So 497 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: that was good, a step in the right direction, no 498 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: pun intended. So if that gets you to twenty five 499 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 2: on offense, then the defensive situation, let's say you want 500 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 2: to keep seven defensive. 501 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 3: Line just for a second, Okay, are you pretty set 502 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 3: that four tight ends is the right move? 503 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: So using a lot of three tight end sets, And yeah, 504 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 2: I don't want to cut any of those guys. 505 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 3: I lean the same way. I just don't know that 506 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 3: we had that conversation yet. I mean you think four 507 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 3: tight ends is kind of a foregone conclusion. I kind 508 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 3: of do. 509 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Because again, you can use those guys you 510 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 2: know on the kickoff stuff as well. 511 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 3: And Heyward's different than the other three es. Again, he 512 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 3: could be your backup full back. He could take carries 513 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 3: if the disaster happened, maybe he could do slot stuff. 514 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 3: I'm just thinking a lot of injuries happened to a 515 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 3: specific position in game, like we were talking about. 516 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, so defensively, keep seven to defensive line. 517 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 3: Then they got ones verus ones here too, by the way, Yeah, 518 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,479 Speaker 3: I think seven d linemans the norm now. They used 519 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 3: to be six pretty exclusively, but I think that's selling 520 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 3: them short. 521 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, four outside linebackers, although I think Moon has a 522 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: little bit of appeal as a fifth, but I think 523 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 2: Golden shiealed his fate. Yeah, you keep four inside backers 524 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: with the thought that Holcomb's going to be on pop 525 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: or something like that. 526 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would assume so, and that's bad news from 527 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 3: Mark Robinson, good news. 528 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: For Matty Kaevich. That's already fifteen and then ten d 529 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: back ten d backs, probably four safeties though, Yeah, So 530 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 2: I wonder if it would go that way. 531 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 3: Would it come down to, I think, let's say they 532 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 3: have four safeties, so what we have six spots left? Yeah? 533 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 3: Could it be five corners and another receiver and short 534 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 3: the defense or six corners? I mean I could see 535 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 3: that being a conversation in the room for fifty three again. 536 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: So I think it comes down to that kickoff role 537 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: and what do we see when we when they had 538 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 2: first lined up for that first kick coverage team was 539 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,719 Speaker 2: all defensive players. Yeah, all Gold jerseys, right, all gold jerseys. Well, 540 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 2: you're not gonna use Watt and high Smith. 541 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 3: No, but I only remember two corners being in that 542 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 3: alignment either way. 543 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: Well, two corners, but you had a couple of safeties 544 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: out there as well. 545 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but I can't see them taking keeping five safeties, 546 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 3: so you could end up yeah, but you could end 547 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 3: up with three cornerbacks out there. You could, because you're 548 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 3: not gonna put Mika Fitzpatrick out there, No, but you 549 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 3: could put the other You can put the other three 550 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 3: safeties out there potentially, but you don't want to get one, 551 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 3: you don't, you know, you don't want to get to 552 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 3: Shawn Elliot Hurt. I would think he would not be 553 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 3: in that mix, don't you think. 554 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're also not going to use Queen. 555 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 3: Well, I guess here's a weird question. What do we 556 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 3: call him Watts nowadays? Maybe he's just that extra D 557 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 3: just a dB. Yeah, I mean, like I just pulled 558 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 3: up the official roster and he's listed as a dB, 559 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 3: and I guess so is Trice. Yeah. 560 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 2: I don't know why, but well he played some safety 561 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 2: in college. 562 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just haven't seen. 563 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: Any of that here from now, I haven't seen any 564 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 2: of that either. But I've seen Watts play some safety, yes, 565 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 2: And I mean he's bigger, thicker than Trice. Even when 566 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: they drafted him, I thought maybe he's a safety, you know, 567 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 2: or slot safety type, you know. So I don't know 568 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: if he makes a team or not, but maybe he's 569 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 2: just that extra guy that's also on kickoff. I mean, 570 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 2: I would think he would be on a kickoff I 571 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 2: would if he's active on gaming. The bottom line though, 572 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 2: for me, if i'm if I'm Omar Kahn is I'm 573 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,719 Speaker 2: working the phones here who almost an interception here by 574 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 2: Mark Robinson didn't quite get there? And Van Jefferson makes 575 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 2: the catch. 576 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 3: And he's been pretty good too. He's been pretty good 577 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 3: making the team. 578 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 2: I think I think people are under selling what he 579 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: you know. I don't think fans, if they haven't seen him, 580 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 2: might be surprised by what he does. 581 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 3: An NFL receiver, yeah, I mean all day long, we'd 582 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 3: make any team in the league. I mean that type 583 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 3: of guy, and not as the fifth guy hanger on. 584 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 2: No, you know, maybe you don't want him as your 585 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 2: number two necessarily sure, but he's certainly I mean, on 586 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 2: most teams, no worse than the three. I mean, he's 587 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 2: he's he's right there with the threes. 588 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 3: He seems like the most consistent, the most polished. You know, 589 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 3: it just gets open, runs, runs, good drought right. Yeah, 590 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 3: he understands the offense. I'm sure that's part of it 591 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 3: as well, you know what the concepts are. 592 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I see a lot to like there. 593 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 3: Me too, Me too. I thought he was about the 594 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 3: same as the others. They added Watkins Speller. He's just better. 595 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's better at guys now. Yeah, and that's why 596 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 2: he was a second round draft pick, you know. Yeah, 597 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 2: you know you look more size to him, and you know, yeah, 598 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 2: I just think that. You know, when you look at 599 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 2: Van Jefferson, you know he's he's still well, he's twenty 600 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 2: eight years old. 601 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 3: At this point. Okay, so do you have a one 602 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 3: year deal? I think I believe so. 603 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, like all those guys, but you're talking about a 604 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 2: guy who's who's started playoff games, you know, who's he's 605 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 2: got one hundred and thirteen career catches for sixteen hundred 606 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 2: yards and ten touchdowns. So he's averaged fourteen point two 607 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,719 Speaker 2: yards of catch during over his career. 608 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 3: Has he is it that high? 609 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 2: I mean that's a that's a pretty hefty number in 610 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 2: today's NFL. 611 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 3: The nice throw and catch there too. Yeah by Allen. No, again, 612 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 3: I think he's I use the word serviceable. That's probably 613 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 3: even a little derogatory. I mean I think he's in 614 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 3: the mix, yeah, for just about anybody. And here I 615 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 3: think he's the two. 616 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 2: I mean he started all So let's say they haven't 617 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 2: announced that or anything. 618 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 3: They have not. 619 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: No, Yeah, they'll come out with a depth chart later 620 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 2: this week. Yeah, that first game and he'll be he'll 621 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 2: be listed as a starter. I will guarantee that. 622 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 3: I would bet. 623 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 2: So. He started all seventeen games for the Rams in 624 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. Okay, that season he got eighty nine targets. 625 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 2: He had fifty catches for eight hundred and two yards. 626 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 2: That's sixteen yards of catch. 627 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, he has gotten downfield. I mean I never especially 628 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 3: compared to like Austin and Watkins and Miller. 629 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 2: He don't look view him as that kind of receiver. 630 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 2: But I think because he runs such crisp routes. 631 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he can't right, right, right, and he didn't 632 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 3: run a four to two with the combiner anything crazy. 633 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 3: But he's also twenty pounds heavier in those guys. But 634 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 3: he asked him after the catch stuff, and he has 635 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 3: some vertical ability to him. Side note. I mean all 636 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 3: those names I just mentioned are fast. Like that was 637 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 3: clearly a priority when they went out and got you know, receivers, 638 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 3: even if they were lower end, you know signings. They 639 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 3: were not getting possession Boykin types. They wanted speed. Yeah, 640 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 3: they throw the ball down the field folks as well. 641 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 2: Right, right, But he's a guy that you know, if 642 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 2: you look at it, Matt, I mean he started a 643 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 2: Super Bowl Yeah, yeah, he had Uh in fact, he 644 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 2: had four catches in the Super Bowl against Cincinnati. 645 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 3: That Yeah, he was a primary part of that offense. 646 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know you look at his just a 647 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 2: real nice block there on that screen by Spencer Anderson. 648 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 3: I just wanted to call him ox. We we talking about 649 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 3: him a minute ago, just getting out in space being good. 650 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 651 00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 3: Now, but Jefferson's appealing. 652 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, He's got fifteen career playoff catches, which is probably 653 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: more than any other anybody else on this roster. 654 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 3: It's gotta be right, it's got to be. 655 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: So I don't think he is a throwaway, which I 656 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 2: think a lot of fans are thinking he is. And 657 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 2: I think a. 658 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 3: Lot of people think he's just like all the others. 659 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,239 Speaker 3: And you know, there's not the case, not contributors. I 660 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 3: think he's way more important than Yeah. For you know, 661 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 3: a guy's a six to one, two hundred pound wide receiver. 662 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 3: Not huge, but not small either. No. No, he's well 663 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 3: built and he could take ahead, he can go over 664 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: the middle, he can go and get the football a 665 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 3: little bit too. So no, I think he has value. 666 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just looking here at his combined numbers when 667 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 2: he came out. 668 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 3: Working first and ten here a team Van Jefferson, I 669 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 3: think he ran like a four four seven. 670 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 2: I would bet he ran. Let's see here, they don't 671 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 2: have his forty time here. Maybe a hamstring or something maybe, 672 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: but uh a six one and a half and uh 673 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 2: two hundred pounds, so he's a shade over that six 674 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 2: foot or six to one. 675 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 3: Uh. So he's not small, No, not small at all. 676 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 3: And he looks a lot different than Austin and he's 677 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 3: not skinny like Watkins. 678 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 2: Or you know, and our our friend Lance's air line 679 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 2: gave him a six points to two seven grade. Uh, 680 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 2: so we'll eventually be an average starter. Well, I think 681 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 2: that's kind of what he is. 682 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a good analysis. Yeah, he could 683 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 3: be an average Yeah, especially we call three receiver starters, 684 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 3: right and I think you'd take that right now. He's 685 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 3: a minimal contract and you know, if he has average 686 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 3: starting year, he'd be pretty happy. 687 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 2: So his uh, his pro day at Florida, Yeah, ran 688 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 2: a four to three nine Okay, okay, I mean I 689 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 2: know it was never slow. Yeah, better than I thought, 690 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 2: I think, and that's probably why I went in the 691 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 2: second second round that year. I mean a good decent 692 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 2: sized receiver with with decent speed that uh. 693 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, has a background well coached his whole career, and 694 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 3: you know, knows what he's doing. I'm sure he interviewed 695 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 3: well and that kind of stuff too. As a prospect. 696 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, so somebody to keep an eye on once they 697 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 2: get into the Uh. I'll be interested to see how 698 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 2: much the starters play in this. When I say starters, 699 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 2: I mean the fields in him. 700 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like not necessarily what I mean fields 701 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 3: is going to play, Say, Field's gonna play a lot. Yeah, 702 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 3: I imagine quite a bit. Yeah, and I would think 703 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 3: Van Jefferson plays quite a bit then. I mean, I 704 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 3: know he's not a starter, but i'd play Spencer Anderson 705 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 3: quite a bit, and Frasier and you know guys that 706 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 3: can be starter types. Yeah. 707 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 2: I don't know if you see much of the first 708 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 2: offensive line, but I want to see that second line 709 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 2: out there. Yeah, pretty much three quarters of the game. 710 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:38,719 Speaker 3: What about Roderick Jones. 711 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 2: I don't know that he needs to play a lot 712 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 2: in the because you also want to give the way 713 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 2: here's the problem. 714 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 3: The second line is pretty good. 715 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 2: Fatanu is playing at right tackle and they're both playing. 716 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 2: Broderick Jones is playing at right tackle. You need to 717 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 2: you don't want to block the brook. You need to 718 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 2: get Fatano as much as many snappers as you can, 719 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 2: especially on the right side since he hasn't played it. 720 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 3: And if the number two I mean, now, I haven't 721 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 3: given the the game a lot of thought things look at, 722 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 3: but if the number two line plays. 723 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 2: Is interesting, Matt here they get the Cam Sutton back 724 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 2: at safety. 725 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they do right now. He's in single high, 726 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 3: so I mean we saw some of that when he 727 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 3: was here too. Yeah, smart guy. Yeah, it was I saying, 728 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 3: if the if the number two offensive line plays I 729 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 3: don't know, sixty percent of the snaps on Friday, it 730 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 3: would be surprised at all. Yeah, I mean maybe series 731 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 3: two up through Series six or eight or whatever, like, 732 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 3: I don't need to see Isaac Samalo out there. No, no, 733 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 3: But my point is I expect them to win a lot. Yeah, 734 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 3: you know. I mean if they're going against backups two, 735 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 3: which they will be, and it maybe late in the 736 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 3: game they're even going against threes, I would think they 737 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 3: should dominate, not just like win here and there. 738 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, say am Alo in there now, I wouldn't wouldn't 739 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 2: mind seeing her big play some center in the game. 740 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 2: You probably will, yeah, I would think, get some snaps 741 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 2: in the stadium. Yeah yeah, just against somebody other than 742 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 2: your own defense, just to see how that holds up. 743 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 2: Because I mean, honestly, it's an unsettled spot right now. 744 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 3: Little bet you think Fields plays a whole half. 745 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 2: I don't know about a whole half. I would bet 746 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 2: he plays into the well into the second quarter. I 747 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 2: would think, I would think he plays several series. We've 748 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 2: got ones against ones here too, ones against ones here. Well, 749 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 2: we've got two tight ends. Oh, there's a lot of beef. 750 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: It's a full back and one receiver on the field. 751 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 2: There's a lot of They put a lot of beef 752 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 2: on the field, a lot. I have not seen a 753 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,959 Speaker 2: sixth offensive lineman on the field. No, well, I mean 754 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 2: they kind of have that with Darnel Washington. Yeah, so 755 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 2: you don't really need to do that. 756 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 3: I wonder if that's not in the cards this year. 757 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 2: But that's this is third and short stuff there, and 758 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 2: Naji Hare has picked up that first down on that one, 759 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 2: so they're sticking with the third and short here it's 760 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 2: a third and about Well, it's it's a full yard. 761 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's on purpose. I mean it's they're 762 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 3: bigging up. It's short yard. I mean here it comes 763 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 3: out big personnel middle of the field. Though it's not 764 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 3: the goal line, so you do have to honor it 765 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 3: with the safety over the top. I mean, maybe they 766 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 3: will throw a bomb here and Max protect on one 767 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 3: of these plays. Yeah, and lead blocking full back who 768 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 3: did a nice Joe a nice job taking out who 769 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 3: do you take? I think it was a d tackle 770 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 3: it was Adams I think yeah, he got underneath him 771 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 3: and drove him right out. Of there and followed Warren 772 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 3: followed him right through the hole and fullback. Stuff's interesting. 773 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 2: Also, Leffen's been the guy that's out there. Van Jefferson 774 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 2: was the receiver. He was a single guy. 775 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I wonder if he's a better blocker than Pickings. 776 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be shocked at all if he is. 777 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 2: I think he yeah, you know, in that situation. 778 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure in the real world you want 779 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 3: Pickings out there if you have one receiver, just to 780 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 3: keep that safety a little bit guess in there, you know. 781 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, now we got Harris back out there again, we 782 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 2: get we got three tight ends again? Is that George's 783 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 2: Oh now they split all the tight ends out wide? 784 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 2: Run Najie Harris out of the backfield. Lo, he splits 785 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 2: out wide like they're in thirteen. But they're empty, you know. Yeah, 786 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 2: all these guys can catch. Yeah, you know, you're only 787 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 2: getting five man protections' balls. I'll be coming out quick, 788 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 2: especially with this pass rush. 789 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 3: But it's third and one. That's not like you can't 790 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 3: can't bumping into Wilson. 791 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 2: They call her if the flag came down, and I 792 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,720 Speaker 2: couldn't tell what they called that. 793 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 3: That is, But I like that thought too. I mean 794 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 3: it's something we've talked about a lot that those three 795 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 3: tight ends Washington less so than friar Mouth and Hayward 796 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 3: as well as Nausey can all line up outside, especially 797 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,919 Speaker 3: if you're dealing against like a four to four. Yeah, 798 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 3: I mean, if you're dealing against three three defensive backs, 799 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 3: or maybe said team has five defensive linemen in on 800 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 3: that situation. You know somewhere you're gonna like it. 801 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,439 Speaker 2: Now we get triple tight, we'll get the second group 802 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,439 Speaker 2: in here, but we got a full back third team. 803 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, who noses twenty two? Sorry? 804 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, full back shifts into the backfield here, and uh 805 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 2: sometimes our fullback will line up on the wing too. 806 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 2: That sure looks like a sack by That was going 807 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 2: to be a sack by her because in no time 808 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 2: looked like he got around Friarmouth on that one. Yeah yeah, yeah, 809 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 2: sometimes you forget. He's also a force off the edge. 810 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, he's not bad. He's pretty quick and looks good. Yep, yep, 811 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 2: you know a lot of that. I like the short 812 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 2: yardist stuff. This is a tone setting type drill. We 813 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 2: haven't seen a lot of banging yet, but I'm sure 814 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 2: Tomlin's doing this on purpose to get some physicality in this. Yeah, 815 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 2: we'll see again that second unit, both both second teams 816 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 2: in there. We talked about that second team line. It 817 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 2: is in there now the again with the full back 818 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 2: and Michael Prude out there. They get the shift and 819 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 2: we'll give him back full backhand off there. He might 820 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 2: have got it, but I don't think he did short 821 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 2: marking him short that little fullback belly. 822 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 3: I haven't really seen him with the ball in his 823 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 3: hands except for they thrown him some pass, yeah, except 824 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 3: for catching pass. Yeah, and it hasn't just been dump offs. 825 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 3: I've seen him get downfield a little bit on outbreaking routes, 826 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 3: but I've not seen him just as a ball carrier. Yeah. 827 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 2: Good penetration by the defense on any chance, really, yeah, yeah, absolutely, 828 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 2: But so what are we doing here now? 829 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 3: It's still gonna be third and one. 830 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 2: They just yeah, they're just moving it up so they 831 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 2: don't tear the field all up in that one spot. 832 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 3: But yeah, theres a lot of big bodies in a 833 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 3: one yard yeah diameter there or whatever. 834 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 2: Full Beck shifting there again, a lot of motion that 835 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 2: one they picked up, Yeah, and that was Michael p 836 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 2: Ryan again keeping. 837 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 3: Those legs chearing him. Yep. 838 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson. 839 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here 840 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio. We are live from Steelers training 841 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 2: camp here at Saint Ncent College. Steelers taking part in 842 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 2: their practice here today on this beautiful Sunday. We'll be 843 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,280 Speaker 2: back with more here on Fox Sports and Fox Sports 844 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh and Steelers Nation Radio right after this. 845 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on 846 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and 847 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,760 Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 848 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lalli here with 849 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson live from Steelers training camp at Saint 850 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 2: Missing College and Mett we were talking in the previous 851 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 2: segment there about who might be the gunners while we're 852 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 2: getting to look here at this. 853 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 3: This is a good drill. Yeah, you know, just to 854 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 3: describe it real quick, it's kind of a skeleton drill 855 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 3: for punt team and punt coverage. Now, there's different color 856 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 3: jerseys out there, so the dudes with the beanies on 857 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 3: their heads are the are the punter punting team. But 858 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 3: I always think about the returner, like he can't really 859 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,879 Speaker 3: see the beanies on their head. He might run into 860 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 3: a gold guy or a white guy or whatever. But 861 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 3: I don't think that's what they care about is the returners. 862 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 3: And they definitely don't care about the punter, because the 863 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 3: punters are I'm punting the ball, they're using the drugs machine, 864 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 3: but the snapper and the two interior guys on punt 865 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 3: are getting the release and yeah, and it's going against 866 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 3: two I don't even know what they call those dudes, 867 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 3: but basically the defensive tackles on the return team. And 868 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 3: then they take turns on each side of the field 869 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,240 Speaker 3: where the gunner going against two jammers and it's a battle. 870 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 3: I mean they're running down what is it, twenty five 871 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,839 Speaker 3: yards more than that way? 872 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 2: Forty five fifty yards here? 873 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a battle the whole way down. This 874 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 3: is valuable tape to watch for Danny. I mean, for 875 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,720 Speaker 3: these guys to see who can get off these things. 876 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 3: The refs are monitoring it for holds and things like 877 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 3: that too. So you don't think about special teams being 878 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 3: a physical drill. But you got two guys jamming you 879 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage and you got to run 880 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 3: down and get a punt. I mean sometimes they drive 881 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:30,360 Speaker 3: you into the seats. 882 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,399 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And we've continued to see John Reese Plumbley, he's 883 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 2: been one of the returners, as one of the return 884 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 2: guys back there. I wonder if he's a quarterback if 885 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 2: you don't know, Yeah, he's the fourth quarterback here. 886 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 3: He's a good athlete. He's even money. I think they 887 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 3: want to kind of invest in them. 888 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a guy, you know, if you 889 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 2: can stash him, I can't imagine anybody would put theim 890 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:51,760 Speaker 2: on their active roster. 891 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 3: I mean unless he lights up the preseason. 892 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,879 Speaker 2: But that's a guy and you're on who's If he's 893 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,760 Speaker 2: on your practice squad, can do a lot of different 894 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 2: things for you beyond quarterback stuff exactly. 895 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 3: You know, we haven't talked about him much, but even 896 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 3: just like you said, as a practice squad player, he's 897 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 3: gonna be important on those practices. You know, I'm not 898 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 3: saying he's gonna simulate Lamar, but he probably will. Well. 899 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 3: I guess Fields would probably too. But it's obvious. I 900 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 3: mean they've reworked their entire quarterback room as everyone knows. 901 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 3: But they're all athletes, and you could easily, you know, 902 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 3: look at Plumbly and be like, well, he's not making 903 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 3: any money. Nobody cares about him. But for undrafted free 904 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 3: agent money compared to what the Steelers gave their other 905 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,800 Speaker 3: undrafted free agents, he was like at the top of 906 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 3: the list, and he was just drafted in the first 907 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 3: round in the XFL or one of these leagues. Now, 908 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they look at him like, well, 909 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 3: next year he'll be the two. No, but I think 910 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 3: they'd like to have him come back. He might be 911 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 3: the only one back, you know. Yeah, and he's not 912 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 3: the trust me, he's not gonna be the number one 913 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 3: pump return or one now here. But he's not a 914 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 3: bad athlete in a Taysom Hill like man manner. Yeah. 915 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 2: And you can, yeah, you can do some of that 916 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 2: stuff with me. He's not as big as tayste Mill. 917 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 3: Tace Mill is a tackle breaker. Yeah, he's a tough guy. 918 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 3: He can. 919 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 2: He's having some full back tight end trades to him. 920 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 2: But Plumbly shift, yeh. I've seen him do some wide 921 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 2: receiver stuff. I've seen him. Do you know these these 922 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 2: punt and kickoffs they used him a kickoffs, Yeah, right, right, 923 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 2: So he's done a little bit of everything at this 924 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 2: training camp and you don't typically see that at a 925 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 2: quarterbacks no, I. 926 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 3: Mean usually the fourth quarterbacks is standing around being studious, 927 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,439 Speaker 3: you know. But yeah, and he's getting involved, his jersey 928 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 3: gets dirty, you know. Yeah, I'm sure he's destined for 929 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,839 Speaker 3: the practice squad, of course, but who knows. I mean 930 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 3: maybe next year we're talking about him as the three, 931 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 3: and two years from now we're talking about as the two. 932 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,439 Speaker 3: I mean, that's not crazy talk. Guys get better, you know. Yeah, yeah, 933 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 3: you guys are allowed to get better. That's uh, that 934 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 3: might be. I might put that on my on my tombstone. People. 935 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 3: You say it a lot, and you should say it 936 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,359 Speaker 3: even more, maybe because people forget these things. 937 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, you are allowed to get better. 938 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:56,439 Speaker 3: Of course. 939 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 2: I think once you're in your grave then you're not 940 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 2: getting any better. 941 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 3: Wow. But's that's when it reminds you you're still allowed 942 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 3: to get better. You put that on your tombstone, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. 943 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 3: Just watched some of these gunners try to get downfield. 944 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,319 Speaker 3: That's a that's hard man. 945 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta beat two guys on you know, they're 946 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:13,919 Speaker 2: trying to run you off. 947 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,840 Speaker 3: And oh yeah, and it gets crowded all of a 948 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 3: sudden too. There's a lot of bodies between the numbers 949 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 3: there and a kick up the middle. That's why they 950 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 3: only have a one gun or do it at a time, yea, Like, 951 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 3: look what's going on here? These two are beating the 952 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 3: dirt out of forty two. Yeah. 953 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 2: So Willington Prevlon running down I'm unamiliar with that big, 954 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 2: big defensive tackle. 955 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 3: Oh okay, wow, well he must have been one of. 956 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,919 Speaker 2: The interior guys. Yeah, he was one of the interior guys. 957 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 2: But he was the first guy down there. 958 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 3: Really, Okay, it must be able to run. Yeah, so no, 959 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,439 Speaker 3: But I know a lot of people and we often 960 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 3: do this too whenever we're on the air, just not 961 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 3: to ignore it, but we don't talk a lot about 962 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 3: the Special Teams drills to you guys or what's going on. 963 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 3: And frankly, we're not played by play experts, nor trying 964 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 3: to be. But I do think you would see a 965 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 3: drill like this and you can get a lot from 966 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 3: it as a fan if you know what you're looking for, 967 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,240 Speaker 3: or certainly as a Special Teams coach. 968 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, And I think that's you know why 969 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 2: they're repping it so much here today. You got to 970 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 2: get a look at this before you get to it 971 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,240 Speaker 2: into a game situation on Friday. 972 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 3: And they don't want to bother using Johnston's legs here 973 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 3: or anything like that to use a drugs machine and 974 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,879 Speaker 3: get it to the spot and you know go from there. 975 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's going to be the last one there. 976 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 3: Not to mention if I think if Johnston was punting 977 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,399 Speaker 3: them hang time might be too good. 978 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, or play and you don't want him doing you know, 979 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 2: fifteen kicks in a row like that, either that's true. 980 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 3: I mean if I want on the roster now too, right, 981 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 3: there's no reason for him to maybe pull a hammy 982 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 3: or something. You know. Yeah, you don't want to do 983 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 3: roll like that, or you really don't even care where 984 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 3: the punt lands. You're putting it down the middle of 985 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 3: field to see the fights. 986 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:46,879 Speaker 2: It looks like they're going to rep one more here. 987 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:47,359 Speaker 3: I saw. 988 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 2: I thought they were staying out there. Do says I 989 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 2: want one more, one more? But yeah, he's an athlete. 990 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 2: He's an athlete. Yeah, even looks like an athlete. You're 991 00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,919 Speaker 2: just seeing him out of again, not the biggest guy, 992 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 2: but just his kind of wiry and has an athletic 993 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 2: look to him. Yea, yeah, absolutely, kind of like another 994 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 2: version of Russell Wilson. I imagine that's kind of what 995 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 2: Wilson looked like. Now I can see that as a 996 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 2: rookie one, I can see that. 997 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, Wilson's thicker than I thought he would be when 998 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 3: I saw him live, Like, his back is wider than 999 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 3: I thought. 1000 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 2: He works out, there's no doubt about it, There's no question. 1001 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, but he has some width and thickness to him too, 1002 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 3: which helps with that durability and endurance and lastness along 1003 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 3: in the league. Yeah, but that's a good droe. 1004 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 2: Get some speed there too, you get around the end there. 1005 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not slow. 1006 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, so interesting, just the guy to keep an eye. 1007 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 2: He could be a guy that I think Steeler fans 1008 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 2: if he gets into the fourth quarter this game, starts 1009 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 2: running around like that. 1010 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,880 Speaker 3: Do you think he'll get most of the fourth quarter 1011 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 3: reps in preseason or. 1012 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 2: Do you think he gets I think in this I 1013 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 2: think in this first game, you don't need to see 1014 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 2: Kyle Allen a lot. 1015 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 3: That's kind of why I think allen'sier is not to 1016 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 3: be seen in some ways. 1017 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,799 Speaker 2: You know, man, you know what he he knows what 1018 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 2: he is, you know what he can do. We've seen 1019 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,320 Speaker 2: a lot of them in this first week and a 1020 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 2: half of practice. 1021 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 3: That's why I thought Fields might play a whole half 1022 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,880 Speaker 3: or more, just because I mean, I don't think Allen's 1023 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,800 Speaker 3: gonna get a ton, then Wilson's gonna get none. Yeah, 1024 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:15,919 Speaker 3: so it doesn't lead much. 1025 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,880 Speaker 2: I think Plumbley gets a couple of series out there 1026 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 2: and be good, and I'd love to see him run 1027 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 2: around a little bit. I think Steeler fans will love that. 1028 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 3: No. I could see him making big plays in the 1029 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 3: preseason and then Steeler fans forgetting about him for a year, 1030 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 3: and then we come here next year and be like 1031 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 3: remember Plumbley and oh yeah, yeah, yeah some things right. 1032 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,920 Speaker 2: Happy he's still on the team. I think Peyton Wilson 1033 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,359 Speaker 2: is going to be a star in this preseason as well. 1034 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 3: Sure looks I think. 1035 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 2: I mean, if I less, they start scaling back his 1036 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,160 Speaker 2: reps because he's too good. 1037 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1038 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 2: If I had to guess, you know who's gonna be 1039 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 2: the star of the preseason, it's got to me. It's 1040 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 2: gonna be Peyton Wilson. And he's gonna have a gazillion tackles. 1041 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 3: I absolutely think so too. Again, unless he's just not 1042 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 3: getting a ton of reps in the second half because 1043 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,360 Speaker 3: he's already passed a test. Yeah, it's through his way there, Naugy. 1044 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 2: I still think you want to get the young guy 1045 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 2: the reps. 1046 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,560 Speaker 3: I would think, I would think, But I mean, at 1047 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 3: a minimum, he's your three. Yeah, And I think there's 1048 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 3: gonna be packages where he challenges to be the starter 1049 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 3: alongside of Queen. Yeah, but you're to your point. You know, 1050 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 3: Holkom's not gonna play in this game. I doubt Queen plays, 1051 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 3: especially if he's dealing something now. So Wilson might be 1052 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,920 Speaker 3: basically a starter. And if he plays, I don't know, 1053 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,759 Speaker 3: sixty percent of the snaps, he's not a lot of tackles, 1054 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,320 Speaker 3: a lot lot of tackles. 1055 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,280 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Wilson out there throwing a little seven on seven 1056 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,839 Speaker 2: here and HiT's Van Jefferson there, let's get to another break. 1057 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're 1058 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,279 Speaker 2: listening to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio and 1059 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,960 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Pittsburgh. We are live from Steelers training camp 1060 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 2: practice here at Saint Vincent College. That's gonna do it 1061 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 2: for our number one, Matt and I will be back 1062 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,319 Speaker 2: with our number two right after this