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Speaker 3: Welcome in episode twenty four of What's Right We Think Right,
Speaker 3: the podcasting and YouTube show like rate subscriber review and
Speaker 3: remember check us out every Sunday. As on Sundays, our
Speaker 3: countdown of the fifty greatest players of the last fifty
Speaker 3: years continues to come out. As we approach the top
Speaker 3: fifteen on that list, I was going to say before
Speaker 3: we can got into the show, that we Finally, for
Speaker 3: the first time in a while, have the full cast
Speaker 3: here because Demons, good to see you, my son, after
Speaker 3: being out sick on for Tuesday's show, which we record
Speaker 3: on Monday, Demanse's here and I assumed the full production
Speaker 3: staff was here. However, a little behind the scenes in folks,
Speaker 3: right as we're starting the show, I see none other
Speaker 3: than our fearless leader, the showrunner of this project, one
Speaker 3: Gabe Goodwin. How locked into episode twenty four of the
Speaker 3: What's Right We Think Great? Podcast is Gabe Well, he's
Speaker 3: arguing with Mike Florio on Twitter, So listen. If you'd
Speaker 3: like to check out that argument, which is evidently wren
Speaker 3: sting than this show, just go to at Gabe the
Speaker 3: WP that's gonna be Gabe's only mentioned on today's show.
Speaker 3: Things we're not talking about at all on today's show
Speaker 3: are the following. Not on today's show is Derek Jeter
Speaker 3: joining Twitter. Gabe, you can tweet with Jeets Will I
Speaker 3: join the New York Rangers bandwagon? I will not? And
Speaker 3: Iso Joe goes for a ring. That is what is
Speaker 3: not on today's show. We will get into what has
Speaker 3: been the best sporting event of the oh gabes here.
Speaker 3: Oh look at him. Good to see you, Gabe. When
Speaker 3: he's not out there writing Rotten Tomatoes reviews for Top
Speaker 3: Done two, he's arguing with Mike Florio about the worst
Speaker 3: Madden cover player ever. You know what, before we even
Speaker 3: getting Toda's show, let me tell you what happened. So
Speaker 3: Peyton Hillis once won a time was on the cover
Speaker 3: of Madden. I would argue, it's yeah, just go ahead
Speaker 3: and say what you think. It's one of the most
Speaker 3: obviously racist things American football fans have ever done. They're like, hey,
Speaker 3: this mediocre white running back put him on the cover
Speaker 3: of Madden over Mike Vick and Jamal Charles. But so
Speaker 3: Florial's because that Madden there's like a Madden Anniversary and
Speaker 3: so Florio is like, how did Peyton Hillis make the cover?
Speaker 3: And Gabe, because Gabe was involved with the show that
Speaker 3: made that the thing Sports Nation Kevin Wilds was involved
Speaker 3: with that show too. They did a big fan vote
Speaker 3: and Peyton Hillis won the vote because there's nothing American
Speaker 3: sportsmans like more than the overachieving, hard working, mediocre white guy.
Speaker 3: So Gabe still takes a little I think there's part
Speaker 3: of him that regrets it, like we should have rigged
Speaker 3: the vote. So Peyton Hillis wasn't on the cover of Madden,
Speaker 3: but he still takes some pride in it. So he
Speaker 3: writes back to Florio, it's not a mystery. He beat
Speaker 3: Mike Vick to win the Madden cover vote. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: tell him, Gabe, you absolutely tell him. Okay, now demands
Speaker 3: you ready to do the show. Let's do it, all right,
Speaker 3: let's do the show. What are we talking about today?
Speaker 4: Oh man? How could we not start with my Celtics?
Speaker 3: Are they really your Celtics if you weren't here to
Speaker 3: celebrate them making the fine for the first time in
Speaker 3: a decade.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it was a very unfortunate show to miss. Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you were upset.
Speaker 5: We still got the win. And I was not at
Speaker 5: the hookah bar. Oh oh clearing my name. No, Oh okay,
Speaker 5: I was here actually taking over holding down the fort. Okay,
Speaker 5: you're out in Philadelphia, you know what.
Speaker 3: And you guys are good. I'm glad the clock's starting.
Speaker 3: We'll get to the actual topic in a moment and
Speaker 3: this can just be between you and me here, Pal,
Speaker 3: I know you weren't at the hookah bar. I also
Speaker 3: know you have a hypothesis over how you heard your throat.
Speaker 3: I was threading the needle between the truth and something
Speaker 3: that was appropriate for the air that I thought would work.
Speaker 3: But now you are really laying down the gauntlet by like, oh,
Speaker 3: you lied on me. You said you weren't. I wasn't.
Speaker 3: I was at the hookah bar, I wasn't. Like no,
Speaker 3: I know you weren't, but I also know that to
Speaker 3: a better explanation than the real one. So we'll just
Speaker 3: keep it moving. But just keep in mind, whenever you're
Speaker 3: ready throw these jabs my way, I'm usually a few
Speaker 3: moves at But what are we actually discussing? Go ahead, all.
Speaker 5: Right, that's fair, Yeah, through Katie honest in the number
Speaker 5: one seed heat yep? Are you ready to finally be
Speaker 5: right about them? Or should we place another bet?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 3: I'm not making any more bets with you. The first one.
Speaker 3: I thought long and hard about it. You know what,
Speaker 3: Let me retract that I'm not making any more bets
Speaker 3: these playoffs about you. We're with you because there's just
Speaker 3: it's sides for me. It is so much upside for
Speaker 3: you and so much downside for me. I am unfortunately
Speaker 3: picking the Warriors in these finals. I don't necessarily even
Speaker 3: want them to win. I just I do not think demons.
Speaker 3: Enough time was spent on this show, on any show
Speaker 3: on the TV show with how close the Celtics came
Speaker 3: to the most catastrophic collapse in basketball history. You sat
Speaker 3: there next to me, silent, mouthed, gate terrified, and the
Speaker 3: look on your face after that final Celtics miss, with
Speaker 3: Jimmy Butler racing up the court, you look like you
Speaker 3: wanted to pass out. The reason I bring that up
Speaker 3: here is there's a stat going around that's accurate. I
Speaker 3: don't care that much about it, but it seems relevant.
Speaker 3: The Celtics combined have zero finals games experience. The Warriors
Speaker 3: have one hundred and twenty three. I do think there's
Speaker 3: an element of pressure here. I do think there's an
Speaker 3: element of we know how to, we know what the
Speaker 3: moments like, and I think the Warriors are better at
Speaker 3: the end of game situations, and because of the Celtics path,
Speaker 3: I think they are actually at a disadvantage. I think
Speaker 3: going seven games against Milwaukee and then seven games against
Speaker 3: Miami when the Warriors haven't really been pushed yet this playoffs,
Speaker 3: I think the Warriors are fresher. I think they're healthier.
Speaker 3: Your guy, Robert Williams. And you know what, let me
Speaker 3: give you some genuine credit. You have somehow been on
Speaker 3: Robert Williams and his importance all put season. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: has shown when he's healthy and out there, he's been
Speaker 3: a real factor. I'm not sure how healthy is at
Speaker 3: this point. For all those reasons, I like the Warriors
Speaker 3: in a long series, I don't really know who I'm
Speaker 3: rooting for. I'm happy for you, I suppose, but none
Speaker 3: of this feels good to me. All right, what's next?
Speaker 4: Okay? Well, you said last show that the voters o
Speaker 4: Steph of Finals MVP vote or Finals MVP.
Speaker 5: Sorry, Yeah, Draymond agrees with you and actually went on
Speaker 5: Colhard's podcast to say that Curry was the player the
Speaker 5: defenders were more worried about, not Katie. Yep, and Katie
Speaker 5: of course took to Twitter and argued as usual and
Speaker 5: said one hundred percent false.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 5: So do you think that Steph is responsible for the
Speaker 5: Warriors dynasty? Were more responsible for the Warriors dynasty than
Speaker 5: Kevin Durant?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, even if Durant in those two finals was better.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot here. I did say the voters
Speaker 3: owed Steph of Finals MVP, but not one of the
Speaker 3: two Durant got the finals MVP. Steph should have gotten
Speaker 3: is the one Lebron actually should have gotten. But somehow
Speaker 3: andre ggudalig that's the twenty fifteen to one. I believe
Speaker 3: it should have gone to Lebron. Four of the eleven
Speaker 3: voters agreed with me. But there's been one losing player
Speaker 3: win finals MVP. Ever. It was Jerry West the very
Speaker 3: first finals MVP ever given out. Since then they've given
Speaker 3: out fifty two of them. They've all gone to someone
Speaker 3: on the winning team. So if it had to be
Speaker 3: a Warrior, the twenty fifteen to one clearly should have
Speaker 3: been Steph, not Iguidala. It's ridiculous Iguidala won it. Now
Speaker 3: to the point with Draymond and Katie and Stephan, olive
Speaker 3: Kadi played better in those finals and deserved Finals MVP,
Speaker 3: but Steph was the guy the Cavs were more concerned about,
Speaker 3: and Steph was the guy. He deserves credit for setting
Speaker 3: his ego aside enough, if you will, to welcome Katie in,
Speaker 3: to not worry that Katie was going to take his
Speaker 3: glory his attention. Sep just won unanimous MVP and had
Speaker 3: just beaten Katie in a seven game series, so Steph
Speaker 3: gets credit for all that, and the fact that they're
Speaker 3: back here again speaks to Steph's value. Steph just changes
Speaker 3: the geometry of the court. You just have to guard
Speaker 3: so much more space with step out there, which creates
Speaker 3: easier driving lanes, easier looks for everybody else. I also,
Speaker 3: I don't blame Durant for getting pissed that Draymond keeps
Speaker 3: picking at this scab, and Draymond obviously exaggerated the point,
Speaker 3: and no one should undersell how good Katie was in
Speaker 3: those finals. But it also was an element of playing
Speaker 3: two K on rookie mode. There was an element of
Speaker 3: ease for everyone involved with the Warriors, most notably Durant,
Speaker 3: because he was kind of allowed to play his own
Speaker 3: game when the Warriors already had this system. So here's
Speaker 3: what I think. And we talked about this a lot
Speaker 3: on the TV show, so I don't want to get
Speaker 3: into it too heavily. Here we're doing the fifty Guards
Speaker 3: players last fifty years on the podcast, right, every single
Speaker 3: guy in the top fifteen on that list has a
Speaker 3: finals MVP except for Steph and Doctor J. Doctor J, however,
Speaker 3: won the ABA equivalent twice. Doctor J Spinhaffer's career in
Speaker 3: the ABA, then came over to the NBA won a
Speaker 3: title in the NBA with Moses. Moses won that Finals MVP.
Speaker 3: So essentially, every guy that we consider a pantheon guy
Speaker 3: that played their career post the finals MVP existing has
Speaker 3: one except for Steph, so it's not an irrelevant thing
Speaker 3: he does. I don't want to say he needs one,
Speaker 3: but it would be odd and a little awkward for
Speaker 3: him if he goes to six finals and never wins
Speaker 3: Finals MVP. And let me give the audience some gambling
Speaker 3: advice here, because I see no scenario really where the
Speaker 3: Warriors win and Steph doesn't get it right. So here's
Speaker 3: the gambling advice right now. If you want to bet
Speaker 3: the Warriors to win the title, it's around minus one
Speaker 3: fifty five, so you'd have to bet one hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty five dollars to win one hundred. If you want
Speaker 3: to bet step to win finals MVP, it's even money,
Speaker 3: so you'd bet one hundred dollars to win one hundred.
Speaker 3: If you think the Warriors are gonna win the title.
Speaker 3: Just bet Steph to win finals MVP because Clay is
Speaker 3: not gonna. I don't think Clay can have four great games.
Speaker 3: Draymond's not getting it, Pool's not getting it. I understand
Speaker 3: people were like, oh, no, one would have thought of
Speaker 3: Iguodala could have gotten it. That's true, but it also
Speaker 3: he shouldn't have gotten it. They won't make the mistake
Speaker 3: again if the Warriors win, STEP's gonna win finals MVP.
Speaker 3: All right, what's next?
Speaker 5: Okay, we're into the top fifteen of your fifty or
Speaker 5: your top fifty players in the last fifty years. Yeah, Clay, Draymond,
Speaker 5: and Tatum aren't on the list. Yeah before the final start?
Speaker 5: Would you like to admit that some of these guys
Speaker 5: should be on there? Or are You're gonna take up
Speaker 5: for Tiny Archibald?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 3: Your issue with Tiny Archibald, especially.
Speaker 4: That I don't know him, but it's just you picking.
Speaker 3: On Tiny Archibald's unnecessary I mean, led the league in
Speaker 3: points and assist in the same year played for the
Speaker 3: Kansas City Kings, mind you, but set that aside. Tatum
Speaker 3: is Tatum's got a long ways to go before he
Speaker 3: could be on the list. Okay, Draymond, and Clay. Here's
Speaker 3: how I would look at it. Dennis Rodman's on the list.
Speaker 3: If i'd of those three guys, Draymond's the guy who
Speaker 3: is the closest to making I would have Draymond ahead
Speaker 3: of Clay. Clay missed those two years. Clay also doesn't
Speaker 3: have the individual accolades Draymond does, the defensive Player of
Speaker 3: the year's stuff. I have Dennis Rodman on the list.
Speaker 3: When Draymond's career is all said and done, if I
Speaker 3: do this again in twenty five years, especially if they
Speaker 3: win another ring, would he be on it? Probably? Yes,
Speaker 3: the seventy five of the last seventy five. Does he
Speaker 3: deserve to be on it right now? No, we were
Speaker 3: who were taking off Carmelo. Carmelo was forty nine, Bernard
Speaker 3: King was fifty, So let's just I know you don't
Speaker 3: know who Bernard King is, so let's just take off Carmelo.
Speaker 3: Are we saying Clay Draymond or Jason Tatum had better
Speaker 3: careers than Carmelo? The answers no, So no, my list
Speaker 3: is good. Everyone's mad about the Luca thing on the list,
Speaker 3: which I knew people would be, but it still bothers
Speaker 3: me either? Mad about it? All Right? What's last?
Speaker 4: Okay? So, uh, this is this is great? Got a
Speaker 4: tennis topic for you?
Speaker 3: Oh sweet?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Nadal won an epic match against Djokovic Tuesday in Paris.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if he.
Speaker 5: Wins another Grand Slam, does this cement him into the
Speaker 5: tennis goats, into being a tennis.
Speaker 3: Gas the tennis coat would be the question. He's already
Speaker 3: one of them. So this is what's really interesting. So
Speaker 3: when I was your age, there was a clear cut
Speaker 3: best ever, but he had a bit of a caveat.
Speaker 3: It was Pete Sampers. He had fourteen Grand Slams, but
Speaker 3: he never could win on clay. He dominated on grass.
Speaker 3: He he won some majors on hard You mean, what
Speaker 3: do you mean?
Speaker 4: Went on went on clay, dominated on glass.
Speaker 3: On grass grass? Oh boy? This is a green jacket situation,
Speaker 3: isn't it? So do you know how the tennis majors work?
Speaker 4: Wait? I'm not aware of how the majors work or.
Speaker 3: Do you know any Okay, So they play on different surfaces.
Speaker 3: So there's four tournaments that really matter in golf, the
Speaker 3: Masters of US Open, British Open, PGA, Tennis same thing.
Speaker 3: There's four tournaments that really matter, the US Open, Wimbledon,
Speaker 3: which is in England, the French Open, which is in Paris,
Speaker 3: and the Australian Open, which is obviously in Australia. So
Speaker 3: the US Open and the Australian Open. Haven't you been
Speaker 3: to the US Open with me?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. So the US Open, Australian Open, they're on
Speaker 3: hard courts. So that's the type of tennis court you
Speaker 3: see if you're.
Speaker 5: Like walking around the like notoriety for winning on like
Speaker 5: better like grass and okay.
Speaker 3: This great, all right, so listen. So US Open, Australian
Speaker 3: Open are on hard courts. Okay, Wimbledon's on grass, and
Speaker 3: the French Open is on clay. It's on like a
Speaker 3: red clay, so the ball spins different, it comes different,
Speaker 3: it's different speeds. So what was so the point? I'm
Speaker 3: the story. More of the story was Pete Sampras, who
Speaker 3: won fourteen majors, most ever, but he never won a
Speaker 3: single French Open because he couldn't win on clay. Then
Speaker 3: Roger Federer came around. Federer has twenty majors, he forever
Speaker 3: couldn't win on clay, but then one one on clay.
Speaker 3: It's like, Ohfeeder's the greatest. Then there's this guy named
Speaker 3: rof Nadol who won has won thirteen French Opens. He's
Speaker 3: the greatest clay court tennis player ever. People are like, oh,
Speaker 3: but that's all he can do. But he also has
Speaker 3: two Australians, two Wimbledons and four US Opens, so he
Speaker 3: has twenty one majors. He's dominated on clay. It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: is he the greatest. But then there's Djokovic. Djokovic was
Speaker 3: I think some people say the most talented guy ever.
Speaker 3: He also only has one French Open because again, these
Speaker 3: guys can't win on clay because Rafa kicks their ass
Speaker 3: on clay. Man. It's it's a totally it's totally different.
Speaker 3: It's like I don't even know as grass. Well, like
Speaker 3: it's beautiful grass. It's very very short manicured grass. But
Speaker 3: then like over the course of the tournament where they stand,
Speaker 3: it starts to wear away, it changes color. It's great.
Speaker 3: Tennis is great, man. So the point is this Rafa,
Speaker 3: if he finishes it off, will now have.
Speaker 5: Twenty Maybe damn man, Maybe I should say Clay Thompson
Speaker 5: created a version.
Speaker 4: Give him to stop talking shoot tennis players probably when
Speaker 4: you talk about tennis, for the call has to matter.
Speaker 3: And then there's Djokovic, who I don't particularly like, and
Speaker 3: he's got the whole like, is even going to be
Speaker 3: allowed to play Australian Opens anymore because he in a
Speaker 3: vaccine issue there and he's won nine Australian Opens. Is
Speaker 3: this not interesting to you?
Speaker 4: No? So, yeah, I do. I think it's cool that
Speaker 4: they played on different elements. Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 3: You don't seem interested like this is a green jacket situation.
Speaker 4: It's definitely a green jacket Okay, all.
Speaker 3: Right, let me try to make try to explain to
Speaker 3: you why it's awesome. So I can't think of a
Speaker 3: basketball comp except if some teams arenas were outdoors on
Speaker 3: double rims and it's like, oh boy, like listen, he's
Speaker 3: great in the gym. But and and one team's arena
Speaker 3: was outdoors in a really windy environment, It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: can you handle that? So for the fact that these
Speaker 3: guys have to deal with not only totally different weather
Speaker 3: the Australian Open gets so hot sometimes, but they also
Speaker 3: have to deal with the ball bounces, goes different speeds,
Speaker 3: takes different angles, hard court. You're gonna get basically perfect
Speaker 3: conditions clay obviously, and you slide like that's yeah, you
Speaker 3: slide around. It's great. You gotta watch Fringe Open with me.
Speaker 4: Rough.
Speaker 3: If he makes the finals, this is last, gasp, might
Speaker 3: be his last tournament ever.
Speaker 4: Could be his makes the finals.
Speaker 5: So will that be at any point while the Celtics
Speaker 5: are playing in the finals.
Speaker 3: No, it' I think it's Sunday, but it would be
Speaker 3: before the game. Oh, it would be great. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: we could have a great sports Sunday, pal, I'm excited.
Speaker 4: This would be.
Speaker 3: These matt and these tennis matches are like five and
Speaker 3: a half hours long. Yeah, no, they're great, They're so great.
Speaker 3: But the other thing is, and I know we're going long,
Speaker 3: but I I really really like tennis. We just don't
Speaker 3: talk about it because nobody cares.
Speaker 4: Like tennis more than golf. I think you do, because
Speaker 4: I do, like you only like golf with tigers.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, no, I definitely do. And I definitely
Speaker 3: like them both more than baseball. I had. But I
Speaker 3: gotta tell you, when I was your age, Pete Sampras
Speaker 3: was the all time leader in majors with fourteen three
Speaker 3: guys came up after him around the same time. Federer, Nadal,
Speaker 3: and Djokovic. They all now have twenty. But think about that,
Speaker 3: so the three greatest ever. Arguably we're competing against each other.
Speaker 3: So the most ever was fourteen. Now three guys all
Speaker 3: have twenty. But if one of those guys just didn't exist,
Speaker 3: then you might have two guys who have thirty, And
Speaker 3: if two of them didn't exist, one of these guys
Speaker 3: might have forty five. Like, it's unbelievable how good these
Speaker 3: three guys are. The fact that Nadal is still doing it,
Speaker 3: might win his twenty second major. It's unbelievable. All right,
Speaker 3: I think we just did eight minutes on tennis. So
Speaker 3: if you're still listening, God bless you, we'll be right back.
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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back in What's Right with the Right
Speaker 3: podcast and YouTube show like rate subscribe review, we'd greatly
Speaker 3: appreciate that. All right, that first segment, not only do
Speaker 3: I blow through the clock, I blew through the clock
Speaker 3: by like five minutes to talk about tennis. So this segment,
Speaker 3: not only will I guarantee I hit the clock, I
Speaker 3: might finish early. We had stuff to do. We got
Speaker 3: a lot going on, and to be honest, I am
Speaker 3: almost taked out for the week.
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 3: Do you have no idea how many people want you
Speaker 3: on their podcast when you're the wrongest man in America
Speaker 3: about these NBA finals, these these clowns up in the
Speaker 3: Bay Area. Light Years season has me on Bomani who
Speaker 3: had me on? All these people have me on just
Speaker 3: so they can mock me. So I'm and cowards have
Speaker 3: me on. Dan Patrick's has me on. Levettard had me
Speaker 3: on all these people. So I am. I am running
Speaker 3: on fumes and I saw a few days left the
Speaker 3: TV left, So let's try to go quickly through this.
Speaker 3: All right, what are we doing playing a game?
Speaker 4: I gotcha, Yes, with time for two wrongs one right?
Speaker 3: Okay, two wrongs, one right, feet more enthusiasm. I know
Speaker 3: you're still onto the weather.
Speaker 4: I thought I might have been wrong about the game.
Speaker 3: I got you, So if you said it quietly, you'd
Speaker 3: have been less wrong. Here here's the idea. If you're wrong,
Speaker 3: you're wrong, so might as well hope you're right and
Speaker 3: just go with it. Okay, what are we doing?
Speaker 4: Sounds good?
Speaker 5: Dak Prescott says he's eager to prove people wrong this season.
Speaker 5: What quarterback will likely will finally silence their critics, Dak
Speaker 5: Russ or Lamar?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, first of all, Russ doesn't have a bunch
Speaker 3: of critics. It's just mostly me. I don't think Lamar.
Speaker 3: I think for Dak or Russ people are I'm sorry
Speaker 3: for Dak or Lamar people are mostly entrenched. And I
Speaker 3: think the only way for either of those guys to
Speaker 3: truly silence their critics is to make the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: So my answer is Lamar, because I think the Ravens
Speaker 3: are gonna be awesome. I obviously, you know, hope and
Speaker 3: might end up picking the Chiefs to make the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: I don't know. But the Ravens. Again, I'm the only
Speaker 3: person that seems to remember this. The Ravens were eight
Speaker 3: and three last year, the number one seed in the
Speaker 3: AFC through eleven games, despite all the injuries before Lamar
Speaker 3: went down. So I and Lamar then got hurt, their
Speaker 3: entire secondary got hurt. They lost three out of four games,
Speaker 3: and like the final minute, the Ravens are gonna be
Speaker 3: really good. The Cowboys are gonna be the same Cowboys,
Speaker 3: which is they're gonna win that crappy division and not
Speaker 3: be a real Super Bowl threat. And Russ I just
Speaker 3: don't think has critics other than me. I think everyone's like,
Speaker 3: oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think people expect them to be pretty good.
Speaker 3: Of course they expect them to be good. But that's
Speaker 3: different to the question is silence their critics. I don't
Speaker 3: think he has a lot of critics. I mean, there's
Speaker 3: it's me in future, that's it. Everyone else loves Russell.
Speaker 5: Mom to but oh actually no, I don't think mom's
Speaker 5: a no no.
Speaker 3: Everybody loves Russell Wilson. And with respect to your mother,
Speaker 3: even if she was a critic, I don't know if
Speaker 3: her you know, her debut performance on the podcast. Notwithstanding,
Speaker 3: I don't know if her media profile rises to the
Speaker 3: level of Russell Wilson's. Can always the Super Bowl trope
Speaker 3: and be like, hey, take that fashion, I really proved
Speaker 3: you're wrong. All right, what's next?
Speaker 4: Oh? Charles Barkley says the Clippers were picked to win
Speaker 4: next year's title.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And Aaron Donald says that he's going to retire,
Speaker 5: not that he's going to that year. He okay, he
Speaker 5: says that he might retire, Yeah, which the more like
Speaker 5: they won a championship next.
Speaker 4: Year, The Lakers, the Clippers or the Rams, all.
Speaker 3: Right, the easiest one to eliminate, as much as it
Speaker 3: hurts my heart as the Lakers, I mean, I like
Speaker 3: the Darvin ham Hire, but they have to totally remake
Speaker 3: their roster. Doesn't look like they're going to. They keep
Speaker 3: claiming they might want to keep Ross, so I don't
Speaker 3: look at the Lakers.
Speaker 4: I think they're going to trade him for Kyrie.
Speaker 3: That would be amazing, but I don't think the Nets
Speaker 3: are going to do that.
Speaker 4: I think they are and the Lakers will throw in
Speaker 4: those picks that they're refusing to throw in.
Speaker 3: Oh well, for Kyrie. Obviously they would, but there are
Speaker 3: some weird Lakers reports going on. There is somebody from
Speaker 3: bleacher Report yesterday tweeted that the Lakers were, you know,
Speaker 3: trying to acquire Donovan Mitchell. Oh, yes, would include the
Speaker 3: twenty two, twenty six draft pick with respect. What the
Speaker 3: fuck are you talking about? If you're trying to acquire
Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell, who's a flawed but very good player, It's like, listen,
Speaker 3: we'll give you Ross, and we'll give you a tail
Speaker 3: and Horton Tucker, but we're not giving up our pick
Speaker 3: the Jazz unless the Jazz like we're doing like some
Speaker 3: trading places situation where they were like trying to bankrupt
Speaker 3: the franchise, the idea that they would. There's nothing the
Speaker 3: Lakers could offer that doesn't involve the name Lebron James
Speaker 3: or Anthony Davis to where the Lakers could offer as
Speaker 3: many picks as possible, not trading Donovan Mitchell, and so
Speaker 3: the Lakers just eliminate them. The Clippers could be excellent,
Speaker 3: but at this point it's fair to say, is Kawhi
Speaker 3: Leonard as big of an injury risk as there is
Speaker 3: in the NBA? I say yes, I say I mean
Speaker 3: the guy missed the entire season, got hurt at the
Speaker 3: end of the season before was hurt throughout who seasons
Speaker 3: prior to that like, So the Clippers to me, on paper,
Speaker 3: I love tylu I like what they've done with their roster.
Speaker 3: They made a conference final first time in franchise history.
Speaker 3: They did it without Kauhi at the end of the
Speaker 3: series without Kauai but too much of an injury. So
Speaker 3: my answers the Rams, Aaron Donalds not retiring, Aaron Donalds
Speaker 3: getting a pay raise. He's gonna play at least one
Speaker 3: or two more years. He's gonna get a big raise.
Speaker 3: The Rams are not my pick to win the Super Bowl,
Speaker 3: but I think the NFC is way down. I think
Speaker 3: the Rams will be excellent again and Aaron Donald's not
Speaker 3: going anywhere. All right, what's next?
Speaker 5: Okay, who will be the finals biggest X factor? Yep,
Speaker 5: Marcus Smart, Jordan Poole or Kevon Looney.
Speaker 3: All right, my answer is Jordan Poole, but not in
Speaker 3: the direction I think people usually think of X factor.
Speaker 4: I about his.
Speaker 3: Defense, well kind of. So here's I'm gonna change the
Speaker 3: question to who will be to who could be If
Speaker 3: the Warriors lose. It's going to be because Jordan Poole
Speaker 3: is a massive negative. And it's not just on But
Speaker 3: there's two ways Jordan Poole could be the massive negative.
Speaker 3: One is he is objectively a terrible defender and.
Speaker 5: His relationship with Clay and like the offense and one
Speaker 5: and too much.
Speaker 3: Listen, if I were Steve Kerr, I go to Jordan,
Speaker 3: and I'd say, Jordan, I need your cell phone, Coach,
Speaker 3: why Like, Jordan, I need your cell phone. And I
Speaker 3: was gonna do one thing. I'm gonna go to your
Speaker 3: to your messages and now you can search messages like
Speaker 3: you're searching for a message. I'm just gonna type in
Speaker 3: one thing. What are you gonna type in, Coach, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna type in finals MVP, and I'm gonna see if
Speaker 3: you've texted anyone, your mom, your best friend, look out
Speaker 3: for me. I'm gonna win this finals MVB. That would
Speaker 3: be the worst thing that could happen to the Warriors
Speaker 3: if Jordan Poole's like, this is my time, Oh look
Speaker 3: at look for me now. So that would concern me.
Speaker 3: If I were Golden State. I think Golden State. I
Speaker 3: don't love the Jordan Pool Klay Thompson dynamic. I don't.
Speaker 3: But I think they can overcome that, and I think
Speaker 3: they can hide them on defense. But if Jordan Poole
Speaker 3: every time he comes in the game is like it's
Speaker 3: Jordan Poole time, that would worry me for them. So
Speaker 3: he's a potential X factor. All right, what's next?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 5: That was fair most important Finals stat Boston with zero games,
Speaker 5: the finals experience, Golden State with one hundred and twenty
Speaker 5: three games, the Finals experience, or Golden State with one
Speaker 5: week arrest.
Speaker 3: So I talked about the finals experience earlier. I do
Speaker 3: think that will matter, but I think the one week
Speaker 3: arrest is huge in my mind. I think Golden State's
Speaker 3: up one up. I would if you guys are gonna
Speaker 3: win the series, demise, I would. I I'll never change
Speaker 3: a pick mid series. If you guys win the first game,
Speaker 3: all feel terrible about my pick because I'm baking into it.
Speaker 3: Here's what I'm baking into it.
Speaker 5: If you're the Tanza being, they're going they're coming out
Speaker 5: the one week arrest, and they're at home.
Speaker 3: And exactly, and the Celtics are coming off back to
Speaker 3: back seven game series. So I look at it like this,
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, I believe Golden State's gonna win game one.
Speaker 3: I also think they've lost to game seven in their
Speaker 3: building to lose the title once before. I don't think
Speaker 3: they are gonna do that again. So I feel like
Speaker 3: they've won game one. If it gets to seven, they're
Speaker 3: gonna win. So that would mean Boston would have to
Speaker 3: win four out of five games two through six. Now,
Speaker 3: maybe they could do it, and Boston has won a
Speaker 3: road game seven in these playoffs, but it was against
Speaker 3: Miami and a beating up Miami team. My answer is
Speaker 3: the one week arrest. I think the one week arrest
Speaker 3: and how much less demanding the last two Warrior series
Speaker 3: were compared to the last two Celtics series. All right,
Speaker 3: what's last?
Speaker 4: Okay? Who deserves to redo their mistakes? Yeah? Nick Saban
Speaker 4: for his comments about Texas A.
Speaker 5: And m Max Strews for his alleged step out of.
Speaker 4: Bounds h huh? Or you for your really bad takes
Speaker 4: on the two finals teams.
Speaker 3: What do you mean by really bad takes on the
Speaker 3: finals teams?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Your Wiggans takes was really bad and we all know
Speaker 5: about that. I dug a little bit deeper regardless of
Speaker 5: the Celtics and the Warriors oppo research.
Speaker 4: Okay, and we've got a few tweets to show.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me see before I get the answer. Let's see.
Speaker 5: It's not a knock on Jason Tatum to acknowledge the
Speaker 5: simple fact that he's not yet ready to be the
Speaker 5: best player on a finalist.
Speaker 4: All of NBA history agrees with.
Speaker 3: Hold on a second, when was this tweet set? This
Speaker 3: one was July in twenty Yeah, well he wasn't. He
Speaker 3: wasn't ready yet. Put that tweetback on the screen. Something
Speaker 3: that has an age.
Speaker 4: Well you just just.
Speaker 3: Like wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait wait
Speaker 3: players twenty three and under since nineteen eighty best player
Speaker 3: on a final seat it was Durant, Lebron, Duncan, Shack
Speaker 3: and Dream. No I'm talking about for you all right, Well,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna talk about this one. First. I was correct
Speaker 3: about Jason Tatum. This is from two years years ago.
Speaker 3: He was not yet ready. But go ahead, there's five no, no,
Speaker 3: not five tweets. But you're saying two years. It's not
Speaker 3: like five years ago. It's on even like two seasons.
Speaker 3: I don't think as long as it was not this season,
Speaker 3: I wasn't Okay, let me see the next one.
Speaker 4: Okay, so this is about Curry. Yeah, let's get the
Speaker 4: graphic up there.
Speaker 5: Some of y'all knew here just now discovering the last season,
Speaker 5: I was in awe of Steph Curry. He had me
Speaker 5: in most of and mostly everyone fooled.
Speaker 3: Okay that first of all, there's this is totally lacking context.
Speaker 3: Second of all, this from six years ago, six years ago.
Speaker 4: But she said that he had people fooled, as if
Speaker 4: like he wasn't his true self and he wasn't good.
Speaker 3: I don't know that that was six years tweet back
Speaker 3: on the screen as well. Actually, I want to see
Speaker 3: something about that if we can. This is from New
Speaker 3: Year's Eve. I'm probably half in the bag. Hey, I
Speaker 3: wasn't even on TV yet, I don't think. And it's
Speaker 3: misleading of you guys to use my current avatar with
Speaker 3: these tweets. Well you should have to use the avatar
Speaker 3: from the time.
Speaker 4: That we've got to really this this last one's excellent.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me see it.
Speaker 5: If I'm Katie, I sign on one and one and
Speaker 5: one and okay, see if we won the twenty seventeen title,
Speaker 5: I stay. If we don't I go join Wiggins in
Speaker 5: cat And Minnesota and former Juggernaut.
Speaker 4: That's that one.
Speaker 3: I don't remember. Yeah, great take by me, great take
Speaker 3: by great take by me.
Speaker 4: Okay, so Wiggins is what warriors like.
Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on my aunt.
Speaker 5: That was in and you also said that on July fourth,
Speaker 5: probably half wasted.
Speaker 3: Let me see that one again. Oh boy, that was July.
Speaker 3: That was July of twenty six, July third, the very
Speaker 3: next day he signed with Golden State. I was hosting
Speaker 3: for Colin when that happened. So here's first of all,
Speaker 3: Katie should have listened to this advice. He if this is,
Speaker 3: I take none of this this answer. Yeah, so hear
Speaker 3: me out. He chose to go to Golden State. It
Speaker 3: theoretically went as well as it possibly could have for him.
Speaker 3: They won two titles, he won two pounds MVPs. He left,
Speaker 3: and to this day he's arguing about it. He's still no.
Speaker 3: He clearly didn't get what he wanted. Okay, if he
Speaker 3: goes back to OKC and they win the title, he
Speaker 3: would have by definition beaten Lebron in the finals without
Speaker 3: this super team because the Calves were there. So we
Speaker 3: get to that. If they don't he goes to Minnesota,
Speaker 3: Andrew Wiggins is showing. While he was terrible as the
Speaker 3: number one option, if he's your third or fourth option,
Speaker 3: he can be good. Karl Anthony Towns maybe would be
Speaker 3: a little more mature if he had kd take, you know,
Speaker 3: as the leader on that team, and he would have
Speaker 3: gotten all the credit in the world for those teams
Speaker 3: winning a title. Yeah, he would have never had Kyrie
Speaker 3: in his life. You know what great takes. That's a
Speaker 3: great take by me. I forgot I sent that.
Speaker 5: Hey, Kadi did a really good job at coming to
Speaker 5: the nets and leading them to the finals this year. Well, no,
Speaker 5: tho those young guys, he took him under the wing.
Speaker 5: Ok No, with the help of Kyrie Irving.
Speaker 3: Right, Kyrie wouldn't have been involved. Okay, you know what
Speaker 3: You're not even I don't mean to be rude here,
Speaker 3: but this is like three dimensional chess that I'm talking
Speaker 3: about here, and it's clearly going over your head. I
Speaker 3: had forgotten that tweet. Thank you for bringing it up
Speaker 3: to answer your question. The biggest wrong there was Max
Speaker 3: Strus being out of bounds, but I'm not sure he
Speaker 3: was out of bounds. The second biggest wrong was me
Speaker 3: saying I was gonna either go short or hit the clock.
Speaker 3: Then I went long again. No no, no, we gotta go
Speaker 3: we gotta what go ahead?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: No, and the whole Max Thrus thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, our people were saying that, oh, if he hits
Speaker 5: the three, it changes the game.
Speaker 4: I want to talk about the butterfly effect for a second.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if he hits that three, a bunch of things change,
Speaker 5: and like the Celtics probably would have done something differently
Speaker 5: because you know, it's in their minds that you know
Speaker 5: they've hit a three, it's at this point in the game,
Speaker 5: and then they probably played different.
Speaker 3: Of course that's true, but that's also why they shouldn't
Speaker 3: be allowed to overturn it six possessions later. That you
Speaker 3: are correct, it wouldn't. You can't be like, well, the
Speaker 3: Heat were down two, if you add the three from
Speaker 3: twenty minutes earlier, they'd have been up one because they
Speaker 3: would have played defense differently down the stretch if they
Speaker 3: didn't have that big of a cushion. All that's true,
Speaker 3: but it's also why the NBA all of a sudden
Speaker 3: when I've never seen it happen, because this here's what
Speaker 3: I believe would have happened. Miami would have called a
Speaker 3: time out to stop the Boston run that was going
Speaker 3: on in the third quarter, if Struce's three hadn't counted. Instead,
Speaker 3: they think they've cut it to seven. All of a sudden,
Speaker 3: it's ten. Boston's a the free throw line. Now it's twelve,
Speaker 3: and it's like almost out of hand. So I agree
Speaker 3: with you on the butterfly effect, but it cuts both ways.
Speaker 3: All right, now we really have to take a break.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back, all right, So to Mon's day,
Speaker 3: Welcome back. And by the way, what's right in the
Speaker 3: great podcast? So I had a I'm not going to
Speaker 3: tell you who a colleague, not even a podcast colleague,
Speaker 3: a TV colleague say to me they think I'm mean
Speaker 3: when I call you. They said, I call you a
Speaker 3: doofiss that I maybe had called you an idiot once
Speaker 3: on the show, and they said that they think I'm
Speaker 3: being mean. Can I, first of all, do I hurt
Speaker 3: your feelings when I do that?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: I mean no, Okay, So Lenela, I don't hurt your feelings?
Speaker 3: Can I? Now? Can we add them not a weekly
Speaker 3: but a monthly segment? We can maybe create it.
Speaker 4: Of like of how we've gotten to you calling me
Speaker 4: an idiot.
Speaker 3: Demnse the dufist, we could call it. And it can
Speaker 3: just be story time with Demnse. And here's our debut segment.
Speaker 3: Can we talk about, Uh you remember the jersey you
Speaker 3: tried to return one? Are you comfortable telling America that story?
Speaker 4: I was? I was young?
Speaker 3: How young?
Speaker 4: I'd like to say that I was like nineteen years old?
Speaker 3: Okay, I nineteen sounds right, so old enough to sign
Speaker 3: up to the military, you know what. I mean to
Speaker 3: do a lot of things, but relative, but he wasn't twelve.
Speaker 3: It's nineteen years old. Go ahead, go ahead?
Speaker 5: Uh so I I I feel like I just moved
Speaker 5: to New York, like like a couple months previous to that. Yeah, fire,
Speaker 5: and I first started to have like my own money.
Speaker 5: I was working at this restaurant. Yeah, and I wanted
Speaker 5: to go to this party and I had like these jerseys,
Speaker 5: but I wanted a new jersey.
Speaker 3: Wanted a new jersey. Went to go get in there.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I went to go get a new jersey from the
Speaker 5: NBA store in like Times Square or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, got the jersey, went home, tried it on. It
Speaker 4: was too big. I didn't like it. I liked my
Speaker 4: jerseys to fit me a certain way.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, I liked sh mediums, go ahead.
Speaker 4: Sh mediums or whatever.
Speaker 5: And so I go back to the NBA store to
Speaker 5: return to Jersey to get a new one, and I'm
Speaker 5: wearing the jersey and I'm like, you know, I want
Speaker 5: to return to Jersey. I want to get a new one.
Speaker 5: And they're like, sorry, you know, like we can't, we
Speaker 5: can't take it back from you. And I was like, no,
Speaker 5: I have the receipt. It's all good, like I've got
Speaker 5: it here and I just got it. I just got
Speaker 5: it earlier today. I'd like to get a new one.
Speaker 5: And they're like, no, sorry, we can't do it. Like
Speaker 5: you're wearing this, You're literally wearing it, and like to
Speaker 5: top that, it was ninety degrees outside and I wasn't
Speaker 5: wearing like my usual sweater with the jersey over it.
Speaker 4: I'm just wearing the bear.
Speaker 3: Joe you were you're playing was to either walk out
Speaker 3: of their shirtless or exchange it. But no point down
Speaker 3: there where you're like, oh boy, I am sweating profusely
Speaker 3: in this clothing item I'm trying to return.
Speaker 4: No in another thing is at that point in my life.
Speaker 5: I was not at all used to buying my own
Speaker 5: clothes without like my mom's supervision.
Speaker 3: Of yeah, urgetting supervision for me, and like I was
Speaker 3: just like.
Speaker 5: You know, there's no way that I shouldn't be able
Speaker 5: to return this jersey. I actually asked if I could
Speaker 5: speak to the manager, and they were like, you know,
Speaker 5: like we'll go get him, but.
Speaker 3: But you're wearing the item. But you're literally wearing the item, and.
Speaker 4: I'm not one of those guys.
Speaker 5: So they went to get him, and like, once he
Speaker 5: explained it to me, I was like.
Speaker 3: I go, you make some some bois, sir. I don't
Speaker 3: think I have a future in retail. This is why
Speaker 3: your mom won't let you fill in at trinage. This
Speaker 3: is why Deano will get the call before you. That's
Speaker 3: today's show.