Speaker 1: It's two twenty two am in YELM, Washington and you're
Speaker 1: listening to Night Call. Hello, and welcome back to Night Call,
Speaker 1: a call in show for our dystopian reality. I am
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. I am Tess Lynch, and with me
Speaker 1: are Molly Lambert and Emily Oshida. We were going to
Speaker 1: be joined by Marrow Wilson today, but unfortunately she had
Speaker 1: some technical difficulties, so she will be on the podcast
Speaker 1: next week. We have a night Call we want to
Speaker 1: take right off the top in honor of the recent
Speaker 1: finale of The Vow on HBO. This is a night email, actually,
Speaker 1: and it is anonymous and it is juicy. Okay, So
Speaker 1: they write really enjoying all of the conversation around the
Speaker 1: Vow and glad to hear I'm not the only one
Speaker 1: who seems to have been driven crazy by many aspects
Speaker 1: of the series. How did Keith pull this thing off?
Speaker 1: Where's Mark to blame in all of this? Why do
Speaker 1: you so many of these ladies have bad eyebrows? What
Speaker 1: the hell is up with this aerie's narrative structure? Who
Speaker 1: shortens Anthony to Nippy? Great question? Anyway, back in I
Speaker 1: was working at an unscripted production company that was shopping
Speaker 1: around a project about the housekeepers of Beverly Hills homes.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can guess what the very clever title was.
Speaker 1: The sizzle was tasteless even for the time. We were
Speaker 1: talking the height of Jersey Shore and the eve of
Speaker 1: here comes Honey, boo boo, and featured long sequences of
Speaker 1: the housekeepers just cleaning fancy houses. One of the featured
Speaker 1: housekeepers was employed by none other than the daughter of
Speaker 1: Princess Elizabeth of Yugoslavia, Dynasty's Amanda Carrington and next M's
Speaker 1: public enemy number one, herself, Katherine Oxenberg. I don't remember specifics,
Speaker 1: but I do remember one woman complaining about how long
Speaker 1: it took the housekeeper to walk up and down the
Speaker 1: driveway to get the mail, and one obsessed with having
Speaker 1: crystal clear windows. I've seen a lot of failed projects,
Speaker 1: but the level of cringe from this one was really breathtaking.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. Thank you so much for this scoop.
Speaker 1: So it turns out that that Katherine Oxenburg was like
Speaker 1: so close to being a real housewife. The spotlight fell
Speaker 1: on her housekeeper instead, and what sounds like a really
Speaker 1: awful project that I'm glad ton't go to a series.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is that when they showed the
Speaker 1: interior of Katherine Oxenberg's house and the wall of religious
Speaker 1: artifacts that's so densely packed with crosses and stuff, I
Speaker 1: was like, man, a nightmare to clean right there. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, who's gonna dust all those crosses? She has
Speaker 1: one of those houses that's like so white and minimalist
Speaker 1: looking where you're like, oh, it must take so much cleaning.
Speaker 1: It's white and minimalist, but it has a lot of
Speaker 1: chat It has chats. It's got spiritual chatch keys. It
Speaker 1: also looks like kind of small from the outside, but
Speaker 1: like in a Malibu way and where it's like it's small,
Speaker 1: but it's like probably costs a zillion dollars. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I wonder if Katherine signs off on that, if she
Speaker 1: like nominates her housekeeper to be in that show, Like,
Speaker 1: how does that work in that instance? I mean she
Speaker 1: would have to give permission at least, but I would
Speaker 1: imagine that it would be some kind of a weird
Speaker 1: casting call where people would recommend I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: my housekeeper happens to also clean houses for so and
Speaker 1: so like and then put them in touch. But it's
Speaker 1: such an obvious trap to be portrayed as a horrible boss.
Speaker 1: Who on earth would sign up to let like a
Speaker 1: Bravo s docuseries be made about their housekeepers and their staff.
Speaker 1: Probably someone who thinks they're going to come off as
Speaker 1: an amazing, gracious, wonderful Yes, and I can totally see
Speaker 1: Katherine Oxenbourge being that person, honestly, Like they don't. They
Speaker 1: rarely showed domestic laborers on Real Housewives. They did more
Speaker 1: in the beginning, and I loved when they would do
Speaker 1: that because you would see these people being such assholes
Speaker 1: to their housekeep first, uh, and then maybe they realized
Speaker 1: that that wasn't good for making anyone sympathized with the
Speaker 1: housewives ever, But occasionally it's a plotline. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: this tricky thing they always do, like especially in the
Speaker 1: early seasons of those shows, where it's like they're trying
Speaker 1: to do this balancing act of portraying outrageous wealth and
Speaker 1: you know that kind of lucky lou aspect of it,
Speaker 1: with like, oh, but you care about these characters, and
Speaker 1: by the time you've actually like gotten to the point
Speaker 1: for the further along in the series where you do
Speaker 1: care about some of the characters and you have to
Speaker 1: like be very then this, then that stuff, and that,
Speaker 1: like look at how outrageously wealth they are, like entitled
Speaker 1: this person is. SIT's weirder and weirder with the rest
Speaker 1: of the show. There was a big plot line on
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of New York where Sonia Morgan, who is
Speaker 1: like fallen from grace. She used to be married to JP,
Speaker 1: someone from JP Morgan, and she's like very attached to
Speaker 1: the fact that she had this name and all the status,
Speaker 1: and then he left her, and so she just has
Speaker 1: the name and this town house. I love it because
Speaker 1: it's very like Edith Wharton. She's just like I'm going
Speaker 1: to get back up there somehow, you know, even though
Speaker 1: I'm in my fifties now, I'm like, it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I just need a plan. But you know, the townhouse
Speaker 1: is basically what what she has at this point because
Speaker 1: she lost all this money and all these bad investments
Speaker 1: and she had somebody stay with her. She had Tinsley
Speaker 1: Mortimer stay with her, and they fought a bunch over um.
Speaker 1: She was like, you can't ask my maid to do
Speaker 1: things for you, even though you're living here. That's my
Speaker 1: maid and you're just my guests. No, I mean all
Speaker 1: of this just makes my skin crawls so much. She does.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting. It is. It's Tinsley Mortimer, a real
Speaker 1: housewife of New York. Yeah, for like two seasons, although
Speaker 1: she just left. Oh I didn't. I never watched New York.
Speaker 1: I have to say her plot line is great too,
Speaker 1: because it's like she comes back to New York after
Speaker 1: being disgraced. She had a mug shot in Florida for
Speaker 1: trying to break into her boyfriend's house. I remember that, um.
Speaker 1: But it's like she comes back to New York and
Speaker 1: she trying to recapture the early two thousand's but they're gone,
Speaker 1: you know. So she dresses the way she dressed it's
Speaker 1: when she first became semi famous, and her mom, her
Speaker 1: mom is like this insane Southern mom who's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're still gonna like find the perfect husband and have
Speaker 1: a grandchild for me. But there's this incredible episode where
Speaker 1: they go to the circus together and they're both wearing
Speaker 1: like she's wearing like circus clown like cutie makeup because
Speaker 1: she is doing something on stage at the circus and
Speaker 1: then she just has a complete mental breakdown at the
Speaker 1: circus with her mom. Is she becoming like a or
Speaker 1: like our first oughts, Misshavis Sham, Like, oh good, that
Speaker 1: sounds incredible. Real house Lives of New York is so
Speaker 1: Mishavis Sham. They're all mishavi as Sham and they're all
Speaker 1: single now right, they're all single, and they all hate
Speaker 1: it and they'd all throw each other under the bus
Speaker 1: for a man, which is like a really interesting dynamic
Speaker 1: to watch on a show. Yeah. Man, it's like a
Speaker 1: Sex in the City went on for five more decades.
Speaker 1: Like it's very It stops being glamorous at a certain point.
Speaker 1: Because I'm always like, these shows are a critique, which
Speaker 1: is what I taught myself so I can keep watching them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you watched them the right way, there a critique.
Speaker 1: I'll say, there's a critique available in the text. It's
Speaker 1: not necessarily at the top. Well, they seem miserable despite
Speaker 1: the money, and they're so attached to this rich New
Speaker 1: York Manhattan lifestyle that they have that it's like they're
Speaker 1: all just clinging onto it for dear life. And they
Speaker 1: refuse to do anything that might make them happy. That
Speaker 1: isn't that? Yeah? Right? Can I wait? This is like
Speaker 1: a little segue, and we weren't necessarily going to talk
Speaker 1: about this, but I just saw this on Twitter this
Speaker 1: morning because I'm like probably an advisable and advisably dipping
Speaker 1: my toe back into Twitter, but I was I saw
Speaker 1: a thread that was started by uh Sarah Maslin near Um.
Speaker 1: She's a journal to New York Times, and she you know,
Speaker 1: there have been least threads all summer that are like
Speaker 1: New York is dead, New York is over, etcetera. And
Speaker 1: she was just saying like, because I guess she lives
Speaker 1: in the West Village, and she's like, it's actually totally empty,
Speaker 1: nobody's here anymore. And then of course everybody's like, no,
Speaker 1: New York is stronger than never, blah blah blah. Even
Speaker 1: though we were talking about a city of five boroughs
Speaker 1: and there could be wild variation between them, but like,
Speaker 1: from from what she was described, it did sound like like,
Speaker 1: you know, Manhattan and i e. The place where rich
Speaker 1: people live, is like completely empty now, like everybody is
Speaker 1: going to their country homes for real. I think that
Speaker 1: is a real phenomenon. I think a lot of rich
Speaker 1: people have been fleeing cities for their vacation homes because
Speaker 1: they can well. I also think that with the travel restrictions, um,
Speaker 1: that may have made things even worse, because I think
Speaker 1: as soon as it was mentioned that there were they
Speaker 1: were going to be restricting travel from New York to
Speaker 1: Connecticut New Jersey vacation home places, I think everyone was like, great,
Speaker 1: let's go right now we're not allowed to, then we
Speaker 1: have to. I mean the New York Times has also
Speaker 1: run a lot of insane stuff about stuff like this.
Speaker 1: They ran that thing that was like turning your second
Speaker 1: home into a first home. God, but I'm interested, like,
Speaker 1: and I'd be interested for any of our listeners who
Speaker 1: are in New York and specifically who can access like
Speaker 1: Lower Manhattan and the most ridiculous parts of Manhattan easily.
Speaker 1: Like I would like a scene report from like how
Speaker 1: dead meat packing is? Right, it's dead at all? Because
Speaker 1: I think it's been. I mean, I think it's like
Speaker 1: there's a certain class of person who's like, it's dad,
Speaker 1: it's over, and then there's all the like younger broker
Speaker 1: people who are like, it's amazing, we can just run
Speaker 1: around and do whatever we want. It's like old timey
Speaker 1: New York. But this is the thing is like I
Speaker 1: think that part of New York has been so taken
Speaker 1: over by stuff that is only for the rich people,
Speaker 1: and like you know, designers show ups and stuff like
Speaker 1: the Mark Jacob's store and shipped like that, and like
Speaker 1: hotels that are more or less nonfunctional. Right now, that
Speaker 1: I think that when you do take that cohort out
Speaker 1: of there, it does become a ghost town of its
Speaker 1: own design because you did not design a place that
Speaker 1: is for everybody. You don't have affordable places to go
Speaker 1: do outdoor dining or whatever. Like. Also, though, just to
Speaker 1: be sympathetic to what New York is going through, um
Speaker 1: my parents have a lot of friends who are older,
Speaker 1: like in their late seventies and eighties and um one
Speaker 1: in their nineties. And they're not necessarily wealth either, like
Speaker 1: long term New Yorkers who basically have had to leave
Speaker 1: grand control. Yeah, but they they are staying with relatives
Speaker 1: and staying with friends outside of New York because for
Speaker 1: them to be you know, walking around the streets of
Speaker 1: New York has just gotten to be scary. You know,
Speaker 1: you have high risk, so I think, you know, I
Speaker 1: I was having some fun thinking like, hey, new York's over,
Speaker 1: but then I was like, oh, but that's you know,
Speaker 1: it's not just like all the rich people have been
Speaker 1: chased out. It's a lot of them are just old
Speaker 1: New Yorkers who are the cohort of New Yorkers. Is
Speaker 1: like the ancient New Yorkers who have been there for
Speaker 1: and people who can't leave their apartments because there aremunocompromised.
Speaker 1: I think that is a lot. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: just think all these is New York over. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: when the rich people live, that's like when a city
Speaker 1: gets cool. You know. Yeah, I think that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Like New York is over can means so many different
Speaker 1: things to whoever you're talking to you. Uh. And I
Speaker 1: think like I wouldn't say New York is over, but
Speaker 1: I would say that like it sounds like anecdotally, it
Speaker 1: feels like there was some kind of maxine out of
Speaker 1: the uber wealthy development that that happened, especially like in
Speaker 1: Lower Manhattan. Uh. And that is interesting to me because
Speaker 1: it's like, oh if that stuff all, if that if
Speaker 1: that really cannot get back up to that level of
Speaker 1: you know, outrageous wealth and and you know, nothing but
Speaker 1: Lilabo for miles and miles, Like maybe there's a chance
Speaker 1: for interesting stuff to come back there, yes, um, which
Speaker 1: is you know, not not necessarily looking for silver linings
Speaker 1: here at the moment, but that would be interesting if
Speaker 1: that happened. So well, I love when people come to
Speaker 1: l A and they're like, oh, it's so debt, and
Speaker 1: it's like no, it's always like that pretty much. That's
Speaker 1: what we love about it. Yeah. I also, though, I
Speaker 1: think a lot about how families are doing in New
Speaker 1: York right now, and especially with the kind of cluster
Speaker 1: fuck that's been going on with schools reopening not reopen.
Speaker 1: You know, it just seems like it's going to be
Speaker 1: this endless shuffle that's going to go on for way
Speaker 1: longer than a lot of families of young kids can handle.
Speaker 1: So I also just wonder like how and I talked
Speaker 1: about this last week too, of like, well, you've got
Speaker 1: to think about like the different architecture that will happen
Speaker 1: after this pandemic. It's so exciting because I'm so depressed
Speaker 1: that I'm clinging to these things. But I do wonder
Speaker 1: how New York is going to kind of reinvent itself
Speaker 1: as a place that can withstand these kinds of pandemics,
Speaker 1: because I'm sadly as ming that this is not the
Speaker 1: last one that we're going to encounter in our lifetimes.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think about where I grew up
Speaker 1: in New York and how often I needed to get
Speaker 1: out of the apartment, and like a lot of my
Speaker 1: friends were in one bedrooms with their families. You can't
Speaker 1: really be in a one bedroom with four people for
Speaker 1: seven months, you know, what do you do? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: that's the thing is It's like a lot of cities
Speaker 1: are based on the idea that like maybe you have
Speaker 1: a small apartment, but it's because you have the whole
Speaker 1: city as your playground, and if you can't leave, your
Speaker 1: apartment becomes a different thing. And that's why I you know,
Speaker 1: I take a little bit of exception when people are
Speaker 1: shaming people who are leaving, especially people who are more
Speaker 1: middle class or whatever and have that situation. It's like,
Speaker 1: the reason you're in New York is because of your job,
Speaker 1: needing to be you know, having proximity to whatever industry
Speaker 1: you're in, And if that's off the table, why would
Speaker 1: you live in that small of a place for that
Speaker 1: much money. Like, I don't. I don't think like there's
Speaker 1: this wild, very tribal New York shaming thing that happens.
Speaker 1: And I like understand it if you're talking about people
Speaker 1: who have multiple homes and are just like ditching the city. Um,
Speaker 1: but if that's your one home and you have a
Speaker 1: one bedroom apartment in like Crown Heights or whatever, and
Speaker 1: you're paying like three thousand dollars for it or whatever,
Speaker 1: like I understand wanting to leave. Tons of people are
Speaker 1: moving back in with their families because they have no
Speaker 1: choice and you can't afford to live in a in
Speaker 1: a big city if they're not you know, making making
Speaker 1: a salary. Um. But I do think that every time
Speaker 1: there's been one of these things where it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: what an exciting opportunity to like remake the city is
Speaker 1: something good over this year so far, it hasn't turned
Speaker 1: out the way I personally would want it to. It's
Speaker 1: like such a years long process to right. Like I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, there's gonna be a wave of
Speaker 1: stuff closing or you know, corporations taking their their their
Speaker 1: franchises out of out of certain neighborhoods. And leaving vacancies behind.
Speaker 1: And then there's they're still probably going to only run
Speaker 1: out those places too, you know, the kinds of businesses
Speaker 1: that can't afford there, and so it'll take to several
Speaker 1: waves of failure before it's like okay, like mom and
Speaker 1: pops can have this place again. Exactly, we're still at
Speaker 1: the point where we're identifying the problems like there were
Speaker 1: nowhere near being able to implement solutions until we recognize
Speaker 1: how any kind of recovery is possible for small businesses
Speaker 1: and how much longer this will go on. I was
Speaker 1: talking to a friend um whose doctor said, like, you
Speaker 1: you should think of this pandemic as a marathon. Then
Speaker 1: you're in miles seven and it's very long. Six it's
Speaker 1: that sticker, that something on everybody's car. You can tell
Speaker 1: that we all by our six. I heard someone say
Speaker 1: two yesterday, twenty five or six to four, we're all
Speaker 1: moving to shock Chicago. Maybe that's where Tinsley Mortimer moved
Speaker 1: to leave The Real Housewives. She went to Chicago for love,
Speaker 1: and they were all like, how dare you leave New
Speaker 1: York for Chicago? You'll never be happy in Chicago. She
Speaker 1: was like, I've kind of boyfriend. I'll be fine. Well,
Speaker 1: we're going to take a break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Welcome back tonight. Call. So we have continued to get
Speaker 1: a ton of Pyramid Pals slash Crazy Architecture emails and calls.
Speaker 1: We appreciate all of them we've got. Maybe we can
Speaker 1: like just tweet out a bunch of these or something,
Speaker 1: because the thing is that there there are a lot
Speaker 1: of them are just visual and like you know, we're
Speaker 1: a podcast, so there's only so much that we can
Speaker 1: get into with it. But we did want to highlight
Speaker 1: something that came up this past week in connection with
Speaker 1: the vow. Oh yes can I may I please do?
Speaker 1: This is one of those things, so we talked about this. Um.
Speaker 1: We recently had a Patreon special episode with Nicki Mayor
Speaker 1: Um to talk more about the vow in the finale,
Speaker 1: and I Molly first brought this to my attention that
Speaker 1: Mark vas Sonny was not a cult newbie when he
Speaker 1: joined Nexium. He had, in fact belonged to a cult
Speaker 1: called Ramtha. And Molly mentioned this to us, and then
Speaker 1: I got so obsessed with Rampa I don't even know
Speaker 1: where to begin. I implore everybody who's listening to this
Speaker 1: to read up on Ramtha. What if all of the
Speaker 1: vow was just like a long con to get people
Speaker 1: to join Ramtha because they're like this this cult sucks,
Speaker 1: but that well, you campinably come away from the vow
Speaker 1: being like, all of these people would join another cult tomorrow,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely, and then they'd be like, it's not
Speaker 1: a cult like the last one. It's self improvement, just
Speaker 1: like they were saying at the beginning of joining next
Speaker 1: um Um Rantha's School of Enlightenment is a cult that's
Speaker 1: based in Yelm, Washington. Uh. It's started by a woman
Speaker 1: who named herself Judy Zebra Knight. She was born with
Speaker 1: a different name. Um. My favorite thing about Rampa is
Speaker 1: the origin story of Rampa's that Judy and her first
Speaker 1: husband in the seventies were messing around with pyramids that
Speaker 1: they thought could turn things into gold and had like
Speaker 1: magical properties, and she put one on her head like
Speaker 1: a little tiny pyramid, and then she spoke um with
Speaker 1: ancient spirits voice and has continued to do so since then. Um.
Speaker 1: And when we were talking on the maybe maybe it
Speaker 1: was after the Patreon episode had wrapped, we realized Selma
Speaker 1: Hyak is a practitioner of Rampa. I think we talked
Speaker 1: about this on the pud. I can't remember if it
Speaker 1: was on the pot. We kept talking after we wrapped
Speaker 1: the pot because we are like Lane has has been
Speaker 1: and then Salma Hyak was as well. And then I
Speaker 1: found the connection between them and that that's a Sundance
Speaker 1: Uh time's up story. But it was it's a very deep,
Speaker 1: deep dig. But um. But the crazy thing is I
Speaker 1: went back and I read that article again. So this
Speaker 1: is I don't know if people remember this. This is
Speaker 1: like a very like film twitter thing that happened on
Speaker 1: at Sundance a few years back. There was a lunch
Speaker 1: a luncheon with like v I P Ladies of Sundance,
Speaker 1: and there was just an incident where Salmahayak was like
Speaker 1: talking over Jessica Williams Uh and kind of like referring
Speaker 1: to like she called her like baby and was just
Speaker 1: being being like basically saying that like she couldn't like
Speaker 1: her her struggles with like being being a woman of
Speaker 1: color or being a black woman in the industry were
Speaker 1: like not exceptional, and that we all had to like,
Speaker 1: you know, basically have a unified struggle together and not
Speaker 1: necessarily recognizing that it could be different for different people. Um,
Speaker 1: and the but the language is she's using because Shirley
Speaker 1: McClain is also there is so nexium ish that it's crazy,
Speaker 1: Like I wonder if I wonder if they also dipped
Speaker 1: a toe into nextium at all, because it's very um,
Speaker 1: it's very like you can't identify as a victim. That's
Speaker 1: the thing a lot. And also I think that they
Speaker 1: do they do things like exercises where they get blindfolded
Speaker 1: and they have they you know, all of these Rampa
Speaker 1: people have to run around and like find objects that
Speaker 1: they've put in a field earlier and try and remember
Speaker 1: where they put them, and then they bump into each
Speaker 1: other and get hurt. I mean, it's just it's And
Speaker 1: also it has a very problematic layer where um, Judy
Speaker 1: Zebra will talk as Rampa, but she'll say really racist
Speaker 1: or anti Semitic things and then just be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's Rampa. It's a really intense is that
Speaker 1: because Rampa is an ancient Egyptian pharaoh's like I guess,
Speaker 1: so also makes predictions. Rampa likes to predict the future,
Speaker 1: and there's a really heavy emphasis on you know, kind
Speaker 1: of quantum physics that you put through a sieve and
Speaker 1: take what you want, but it's not really quantum physics.
Speaker 1: But sorry, what the bleep? Well that's what it is,
Speaker 1: is that what the bleep was basically like Rampa, a
Speaker 1: Rampa project um. And it's very odd that that none
Speaker 1: of this was mentioned in the vow. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's very germane to that discussion of him being in
Speaker 1: a call. Did we mention with with Rampa that that
Speaker 1: Judy Zebra was born in Roswell in n We have
Speaker 1: not mentioned that. Seems important, seems we're very important, um.
Speaker 1: But it's also a really fascinating, weird kind of encapsulation
Speaker 1: of the topics we've been discussing recently, cults and pyramids.
Speaker 1: It's all connected. Final destination of cults and pyramids is Rampha.
Speaker 1: This is night calling on so it make sense should
Speaker 1: we take a night email about our weird buildings? Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: this one comes from smaller demon loving the weird building emails.
Speaker 1: You could have an entire spinoff podcast based on it.
Speaker 1: Side note, maybe we just that's this. It's Alabamian who
Speaker 1: has lived in Nashville, Huntsville, Alabama, not Texas, San Francisco,
Speaker 1: and now back in Birmingham, Alabama. Alabama may not be
Speaker 1: a go to for weird buildings, but there are some
Speaker 1: strange things here. Birmingham is home to one of the
Speaker 1: largest monolithic domes, the Faith Chapel Christian Center. This thing
Speaker 1: is nuts how big it is. Birmingham is also home
Speaker 1: to one of the most distinctive buildings I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: currently called the A T and T City Center. It
Speaker 1: was designed by Conn and Jacobs, a firm that designed
Speaker 1: a lot of New York City buildings that would fall
Speaker 1: into the dreaded glass and steel category. But this building
Speaker 1: in Birmingham is a weird stone and glass building that
Speaker 1: I've not seen in many places. It combines black and
Speaker 1: white granite and shaded glass and it's just really cool.
Speaker 1: But and I'll make this separate from the rest of
Speaker 1: the email, the weirdest thing as far as structures, and
Speaker 1: I mean loosely speaking in Alabama might be the A
Speaker 1: Marie of Marie Grotto with a link. Words are almost
Speaker 1: impossible to use to describe it. The grotto was built
Speaker 1: over the course of fifty years by a Catholic monk
Speaker 1: in the small city of Culman, Alabama. Basically it's Jerusalem
Speaker 1: and miniature built out a junk bottle caps, discarded glass, etcetera.
Speaker 1: Once you start digging around and find pictures and videos,
Speaker 1: you start to realize how utterly bizarre this is and
Speaker 1: where it is located. That said, Alabama is the home
Speaker 1: of e w t N, the cable television Catholic channel too,
Speaker 1: so Alabama has a lot of weird Catholics. E w
Speaker 1: t n's headquarters are literally a mile from where I live.
Speaker 1: Please take a look at the grotto links though. I'll
Speaker 1: send you another bizarre Catholic structure of Alabama in another email,
Speaker 1: and some grotto photos. I love a grotto, Molly. You
Speaker 1: hang out at a grotto sometimes, I do. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just love grottos. I love roadside architecture and and
Speaker 1: stuff built out of junk by people. There's one in
Speaker 1: Cambria called Knitwit Ridge that is a house a great name.
Speaker 1: Oh it's so great. I think it's nit Wit with
Speaker 1: like two teas, maybe in both, but it's um It's
Speaker 1: like a grotto house, like a coke bottle type house.
Speaker 1: And you go there in Cambria. There's a guy who
Speaker 1: owns it. Um I think he's trying to sell it,
Speaker 1: so obviously we should make it the Night Call headquarters.
Speaker 1: Have you guys ever been to the Hollywood Sculpture Garden No, Oh,
Speaker 1: my gosh. See it's it's a it's a it's a
Speaker 1: bit of a hike from from my current residence, but
Speaker 1: it is. It is in somebody's yard. It's just a house.
Speaker 1: It's up in the hills, kind of above Beechwood Canyon.
Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about. Yeah, it's very tiki techie,
Speaker 1: just a bunch of stuff, like you know, the the
Speaker 1: the style is all over the map, uh, but a
Speaker 1: lot of like mannekins and like vaguely sexy architecture and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and a lot of like you know,
Speaker 1: stone collages and stuff like that. I just love when
Speaker 1: people decorate their houses weird because it's so it's so
Speaker 1: taken for granted that you have to have like a
Speaker 1: normal house that fits in with the neighborhood, and obviously
Speaker 1: in l A you don't necessarily have to do that. Well,
Speaker 1: it's really heartening there because everything else around it just
Speaker 1: looks like different iterations on the house from parasite and
Speaker 1: then you've gone from total ice or in the middle
Speaker 1: of it. But it's like very heartwarming to Okay, it's so.
Speaker 1: I was among a bunch of parasite houses the other night.
Speaker 1: We were doing an action and it was like up
Speaker 1: in the bird streets, which are up behind the Sunset Strip,
Speaker 1: and we walked past this house on the way to
Speaker 1: the house we are going to that had a million
Speaker 1: sculptures all over it of conquistadores and samurai and on
Speaker 1: the roof and on the roof were like elephant and
Speaker 1: you could just see there were like a weird waterfall
Speaker 1: or something in it, just like the cool the coolest,
Speaker 1: weirdest house I've ever seen, which cooked up agent lived
Speaker 1: on that Larry Flint and he lives there still, I
Speaker 1: believe because my friend friend of the pod, Christ Chang, said,
Speaker 1: Larry Flint lives around here somewhere. I'm going to go
Speaker 1: try and find his house. And then he called me
Speaker 1: and was like, it was that weird house that we
Speaker 1: walked by. What's up with this crazy house? Um? So
Speaker 1: I looked into that house. It before it was owned
Speaker 1: by Larry Flint, it was owned by Sonny and Share
Speaker 1: and it has apparently a red heart shaped bathtub cool
Speaker 1: that Larry Flint left left in um. And then another
Speaker 1: friend of mine said that she worked on something where
Speaker 1: it was right next to that house, and so she
Speaker 1: could see into the Larry Flint house all summer and
Speaker 1: she was like, what crazy see stuff am I gonna
Speaker 1: see at the Hustler House. And then it was all
Speaker 1: like old guys that are friends of Larry Flint hanging
Speaker 1: out in the yard and listening to old timey music.
Speaker 1: I like when it's like, what crazy things am I
Speaker 1: going to see it, It's like they're just just some
Speaker 1: old old friends kicking at kitchy style. I love old
Speaker 1: guys in the porn industry because they're so like overseeing
Speaker 1: naked women at this point, you know, they're just like
Speaker 1: family men. Usually by the time they're like of a
Speaker 1: certain age, they're like, oh yeah, I did all that
Speaker 1: and now I'm going to listen to Ragtime with my friend. Um,
Speaker 1: we don't have time to read all of these emails,
Speaker 1: so we're just going to mention this one here. We
Speaker 1: also got a night email from Zach about the Flintstones House, which, um,
Speaker 1: if you can just look them up on Wikipedia you'll
Speaker 1: have a fun time. It kind of looks like they're
Speaker 1: out of the Simpsons UM and they're located in Hillsboro, California. Uh,
Speaker 1: but those are they're fun to mention, but you just
Speaker 1: need to see them. We can't podcast. There is a
Speaker 1: Simpson's house called We did a whole dome homes run
Speaker 1: a while back, and now we're getting drawn back into
Speaker 1: dome homes. So just when we thought we were out,
Speaker 1: That's how I felt about the second Nextium documentary. Just
Speaker 1: when I thought I was out, they pulled me back in.
Speaker 1: We also, uh, you know, we talked. We started to
Speaker 1: transition a little bit into mounds last week and we
Speaker 1: got an email from Catherine about the mounds of Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: which I had no idea about UM, but she said
Speaker 1: true mountain heads such as yourselves will probably be interested
Speaker 1: to learn about Wisconsin's effigy mounds. UM. And these date
Speaker 1: back to seven d b C. And a lot of
Speaker 1: them are kind of formed as animals UM, like birds
Speaker 1: and turtles and buffalo and stuff like that, and some
Speaker 1: align with the moon and sun sunrise set on the
Speaker 1: solstices or e winoxes. And they are about four thousand
Speaker 1: of them. That survived to this day, which is I
Speaker 1: had I'd never heard of these effigy mounds, these Wisconsin
Speaker 1: effigy mounds. But she she also says that Madison still
Speaker 1: has a ton of them. Uh and one of them,
Speaker 1: the largest effigy mound in the world, which is an
Speaker 1: eagle with a six and twenty four ft wingspan um
Speaker 1: along with a dozen other eagles, I guess, is on
Speaker 1: the grounds of the Mendota Mental Health Institute formerly known
Speaker 1: as the Wisconsin Hospital for the Insane, where ed guy
Speaker 1: in the Serial Killer who inspired the Silence of the
Speaker 1: Lambs and other famous horror stories, spent the left last
Speaker 1: twenty years of his life. Wow, pretty wild stuff it is.
Speaker 1: Did you guys see that cat Nascal lines thing that
Speaker 1: just got discovered? What this like a giant drawing of
Speaker 1: a cat on a hillside in Peru, Like an ancient
Speaker 1: drawing of a cat and so cool. I love stuff
Speaker 1: like that that's so old and you can still tell
Speaker 1: what it's supposed to be representative of. It's interesting in
Speaker 1: this email about Madison having so many of these mounds
Speaker 1: because it says that they're in city parks, backyards, cemeteries,
Speaker 1: and it's I'm just like, imagine if you had a
Speaker 1: house with an ancient mound in the backyard. That's my dream. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: they were uh she She says that like the soil
Speaker 1: from the mounds is uh is sometimes collected because it's
Speaker 1: like lucky mound dirt and people in their gardens. You
Speaker 1: can make moon water and mound dirt, and then you
Speaker 1: could just totally transform. That's how we're going to sell
Speaker 1: in our store. You will ascend um. It's also crazy
Speaker 1: that ed Gain connection is crazy. First of all, a
Speaker 1: Gain not guying. It's either it's either guying or Geen.
Speaker 1: I believe I have. I don't know how to pronounce middle.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to pronounce anything. I looked this
Speaker 1: up right before we started, but apparently it's so contentious.
Speaker 1: You can say whatever you want me to say. Ed
Speaker 1: Geen ed Geen just because he was famous for digging
Speaker 1: burial things up, you know, so interesting you surrounded by
Speaker 1: burial mounts. I have learned a lot about ed Geen
Speaker 1: recently because I watched the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which is
Speaker 1: one of three all time classic horror movies based on
Speaker 1: ed Geen. The other two are Psycho and Silence of
Speaker 1: the Lamps. I find it an unpleasant horror movie. Well,
Speaker 1: it's super unpleasant, no, but I mean I like unpleasant,
Speaker 1: like horror movies are intentionally unpleasant, clearly, but I find
Speaker 1: that it leaves me with that scuzzy feeling that I
Speaker 1: can't shake that I don't. I'm a little allergic to
Speaker 1: the because it was horrible to make, and you can
Speaker 1: tell everybody's super unhappy. Yes, but it's it's so good
Speaker 1: and everybody dresses amazing. It's I find it cluster Well,
Speaker 1: obviously it's claustrophobic. I just watched The fun House last
Speaker 1: night too, which is the other Toby Hooper movie about
Speaker 1: like a scuzzy carnival. I mean his movies are scuzzy,
Speaker 1: that's what's cool about them. But like the ed Geen
Speaker 1: story is super scuzzy, and part of what's so creepy
Speaker 1: about it was that he was just like some guy
Speaker 1: in a farmhouse and nobody knew he was like digging
Speaker 1: up all these bodies to make lampshades out of people. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: but I also heard because I watched that Errol Morris documentary.
Speaker 1: I didn't know this, but Errol Morris was going to
Speaker 1: dig up ed Geen's mother to see if he had,
Speaker 1: you know, dug up the body and done something with it,
Speaker 1: just based on the idea that he probably did psycho
Speaker 1: stuff and he was gonna do it, and he invited
Speaker 1: Werner Hertzog and they were gonna do it together on
Speaker 1: a trip, just buddy. So he was like a fan
Speaker 1: of Verner Hrtzog, you've never met him before. This is
Speaker 1: when he was like, this is my husband plays Errol
Speaker 1: Morris in a short film currently at festivals about all
Speaker 1: of this specifically. So yeah, then Errol Morris totally whisked out.
Speaker 1: He freaked out. He was like, I can't dig up
Speaker 1: a body. And that is when Vernon Hurd talk said like,
Speaker 1: if this guy makes a movie, I'll eat my shoe.
Speaker 1: And then he did. He did, and he did. He
Speaker 1: also like threw a ton of like wads of bills
Speaker 1: at Errol Morris, who then threw it out the window.
Speaker 1: It's it's a very interesting and strange friendship. I like it.
Speaker 1: I would love to get Errol Morris and Vernon Hertzog
Speaker 1: on Nightcall, Oh man, I would like Ernie on on
Speaker 1: Nightcall Ernie. We could just we could just ask him
Speaker 1: about some mounds, mounds and ribs they could be They
Speaker 1: could cause play the mound in the rid and have
Speaker 1: a building personified conversation. Do you guys ever think about
Speaker 1: how weird it is that we like very dead people?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what else are we supposed to do with them? Though?
Speaker 1: Just leave him be? Well? A lot of people burn them,
Speaker 1: a lot of culture has just burned them space as
Speaker 1: a result. We all still like the mushroom suits, right,
Speaker 1: we love the mushroom Sits still down for the mushroom suits.
Speaker 1: It's crazy to think about how much space dead people
Speaker 1: take up in this country and around the world, you know,
Speaker 1: just like crazy. Yeah, And how many like toxic chemicals
Speaker 1: are leached into the earth because of the sheer volume
Speaker 1: of dead people that are in the ground. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: What are the chemicals do? I don't know. They can't
Speaker 1: be good formaldehyde and shipped all the embalming fluids. I'm
Speaker 1: a big fan of cremation. I think, I think very
Speaker 1: neat and tidy, but that probably also is a pollutant
Speaker 1: when you think about, you know, the fumes. That's how
Speaker 1: we got to do the mushroom suit. But I like,
Speaker 1: I like the idea of the mounds because it's like,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you just decompose and help play let's grow? I
Speaker 1: mean you should, but I think I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: if you're in a less um densely populated area, like
Speaker 1: if you are a native person living before you know,
Speaker 1: colonization and everything, and you've got the whole wide open
Speaker 1: country to yourself, you can just stick somebody in the
Speaker 1: ground and you don't need to worry about like making
Speaker 1: sure that I don't know, they don't well, you need
Speaker 1: to worry about the other people that are already in
Speaker 1: the ground. I guess, I guess. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it's too crowded. Well, we got into this on our
Speaker 1: on our episode about ghost Land, but just the idea
Speaker 1: that like all of America is a burial ground and
Speaker 1: so like it's all haunted because it's all built on
Speaker 1: top of a civilization that was you know, wiped out
Speaker 1: in a genocide by the people that built on top
Speaker 1: of it. The shining Yeah, I was actually I just
Speaker 1: watched um the second episode of the second season of
Speaker 1: Unsolved Mysteries. Oh, which, Oh, it's it's good. Uh. It
Speaker 1: features a woman who is an unidentified woman. They think
Speaker 1: she was maybe an assassin or a spy. Um she
Speaker 1: signed into a hotel under a false name and a
Speaker 1: false birth date, and she it seemed to be a suicide,
Speaker 1: but then it seemed maybe not to be a suicide.
Speaker 1: She was shot in the head, but she had the gun,
Speaker 1: was in her hand with her thumb on the trigger,
Speaker 1: and the forensics people were like, there's just no way that,
Speaker 1: you know, the crime scene just does not seem like
Speaker 1: she took her own life. It has to be a homicide,
Speaker 1: and maybe she was like a high profile assassin or something. Anyway,
Speaker 1: they had to bury her after a year, and they
Speaker 1: had no leads on who she was, her identity, and
Speaker 1: so they buried her. And then they decided to dig
Speaker 1: her back up, get DNA samples and examine her teeth.
Speaker 1: And one of the really interesting things was like, they
Speaker 1: can find your age by your teeth. And it's not
Speaker 1: just like with a horse's teeth where you can see, oh,
Speaker 1: it must be this age because of the growth of
Speaker 1: the teeth. It's like the chemicals that your teeth have absorbed.
Speaker 1: It's weird because I guess your teeth absorb ambient radiation
Speaker 1: or something, and so they can test your teeth and
Speaker 1: see which nuclear events you've been affected by and therefore
Speaker 1: discover your age. That was a great scary episode, uh,
Speaker 1: because it was just so weird that nobody could identify
Speaker 1: this woman and they were running her photo everywhere and
Speaker 1: just nobody had any connection to her whatsoever. But she
Speaker 1: was very specific looking and she looked just like gi Lane.
Speaker 1: She did. She looked exactly like Elane, which was interesting
Speaker 1: because she was probably CIA or some kind of you know,
Speaker 1: not CIA, but some kind of secret agent for probably
Speaker 1: like Belgium or something. They ultimately decided, well, she had
Speaker 1: listed this weird small town ver Lane, I think Belgium.
Speaker 1: She listed a fake name and a fake hometown, and
Speaker 1: then they went to the hometown to try and find
Speaker 1: her and they were like, no, she's not from here.
Speaker 1: And then they used her teeth to figure out where
Speaker 1: she was actually from because of like nuclear testing, they
Speaker 1: could tell whoa. It was a really good episode. It
Speaker 1: was good. And that's where I learned which I had
Speaker 1: not known, that when somebody is murdered and they are
Speaker 1: secret agent, they cut the tags out of their clothes. Yes,
Speaker 1: so this apparently this is this happens like not frequently,
Speaker 1: but it's not the first time it's happened that they
Speaker 1: remove all labels from clothing and that they kind of
Speaker 1: like sand off any identifying information from jewelry and weapons
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, so there's absolutely no way to
Speaker 1: trace where the person is from. Should take a break
Speaker 1: and come back with a little bit of spooky Halloween
Speaker 1: chap Let's do it. Welcome back. It is the reason
Speaker 1: for the season. The Big Skeleton Man and the Ladies
Speaker 1: of Night Call. We just wanted to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about Halloween, spooky fun time on our our last
Speaker 1: episode pre Halloween. Yeah, obviously this is going to be
Speaker 1: this Halloween is not like the others, but we have
Speaker 1: plenty of I feel like we have plenty of like
Speaker 1: Halloween material and stuff to do and activities and stuff,
Speaker 1: mostly movies, but also driving around and looking at people's
Speaker 1: in saying Halloween houses. Yeah, which has definitely I would
Speaker 1: say it's dipped a little bit this year. I also
Speaker 1: just personally feel like it reached a peak a few
Speaker 1: years ago and then both people had less money and
Speaker 1: spend on Halloween stuff. Yeah. We talked about this when
Speaker 1: we were talking about The Big Boy, the Skeleton Boy,
Speaker 1: which I still have not seen any. And I was
Speaker 1: driving around Burbank the other day and I know where
Speaker 1: a few are. Okay, you'll have to share off pod
Speaker 1: will make a map and make a map of the
Speaker 1: big boys. That's perfect. They have medium boys in stock
Speaker 1: at Rite Aid. If anyone is interested in a medium boy,
Speaker 1: they're probably they look to be like maybe four feet
Speaker 1: tall and they're posable. It's not big enough, No, that's
Speaker 1: that's not a big enough boy. I've gone on several
Speaker 1: spooky cruises so far, just by myself because I'm a weirdo.
Speaker 1: I went to Toluca Lake, which I recommend if you're
Speaker 1: looking for extremely decorated houses. To Luca Lake is like
Speaker 1: the place where they have really great lawn decorations of
Speaker 1: all kinds. But I also went to South Pasadena yesterday,
Speaker 1: which is where all the filming locations from John Carpenter's
Speaker 1: Halloween are located, and they always kind of go crazy
Speaker 1: for Halloween there, I think because of that um But
Speaker 1: there were all these signs on the lawn that were
Speaker 1: like no trick or treating this year. Enjoy the decor,
Speaker 1: but like do not knock on the door. I mean,
Speaker 1: it makes sense, but that bums me. Out anyway, it
Speaker 1: makes sense, but it was funny. It's like they made
Speaker 1: their own sign for the neighborhood because it's like a
Speaker 1: famous Halloween neighborhood that were like, please enjoy these decorations,
Speaker 1: but like it's different this year. A lot of people
Speaker 1: are taking driving tours of which houses I saw on
Speaker 1: like Hidden l A or something, um like witchy little Hoppit,
Speaker 1: witchy little habit homes. I just saw there was an
Speaker 1: Ecto one in my neighborhood that was cool inable Ecto one. Wait,
Speaker 1: what's Ecto one? It's the Ghostbusters. Yeah, it's the car
Speaker 1: from ghost Pecto one. It's the license plate the Ghostbusters
Speaker 1: car busted mobile true Ghostbusters heads. No, that it's It's
Speaker 1: license plate is Ecto one one. Um. But I appreciate
Speaker 1: when people kind of make the effort to like do
Speaker 1: it up because it is it's kind of I guess
Speaker 1: it's not the first holiday we had. I mean we've
Speaker 1: had a number of holidays. We had the fourth of
Speaker 1: July under quarantine. We'll probably have a lot more holidays
Speaker 1: under quarantine. But for some reason, Halloween, this one stings. Well,
Speaker 1: it's weird. It's like the one time that people go
Speaker 1: talk to their neighbors that they don't know exactly. It's
Speaker 1: like this, it's very surprising that we even do it
Speaker 1: because like there's such a weird social contract about it.
Speaker 1: I like, this is the night where it's okay to's
Speaker 1: just like randomly stopping at somebody house that you don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I haven't lived in a neighborhood that has tricker treating
Speaker 1: since I can't remember when. Like I I any time
Speaker 1: I moved to a new place, I always like get
Speaker 1: a bag of candy just in case. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do this year, but uh, and
Speaker 1: then no kids come and always even in New York. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no I'm not in New York. I mean, like they're
Speaker 1: a lot of times people will like be out on
Speaker 1: the stoops, but I don't even I didn't even see
Speaker 1: that in my last apartment. Like kids would go to
Speaker 1: the businesses, Like they'd go to the business street and
Speaker 1: like you know, the delis and stuff, and they'd be
Speaker 1: handing out candy there. But they wouldn't be going to
Speaker 1: people's houses. I've seen some kind of workarounds. There is
Speaker 1: a drive through haunt that someone set up. I think
Speaker 1: it's the people who do the Haunted hay Ride normally
Speaker 1: in Griffith Park, which is definitely not happening this year.
Speaker 1: The drive through Haunt has gotten mixed reviews. People are like,
Speaker 1: it's not that good. It's kind of short and basically
Speaker 1: just a bunch of people come up and like, bang
Speaker 1: on your car. I think that sounds awful. Um. I
Speaker 1: just discovered trunk or Treat, which is you decorate the
Speaker 1: trunk of your car, you meet in a parking lot, uh,
Speaker 1: and then whoever has the best trunk wins. But Halloween's
Speaker 1: not supposed to be competitive with in a car sense.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like that sounds like a drug
Speaker 1: deal drunker treat. We all meet in a parking lot
Speaker 1: and open our trunk and give each other money. Well,
Speaker 1: do you guys have any good h Halloween viewing lined
Speaker 1: up or anything you've been watching recently that you've been
Speaker 1: really into, um, that you would like to recommend. I've
Speaker 1: been watching everything on Movie Past, which is my friend
Speaker 1: Michelle's Twitch channel where she's been programming movies all summer. Uh,
Speaker 1: and they're doing a Spooky Past series that's all spooky movies.
Speaker 1: So they did like a really good Hong Kong Horror
Speaker 1: Day a couple of days ago. Yesterday, they did one
Speaker 1: that was all Dark Ride themes extremely Nightcall, and they
Speaker 1: showed Dark Ride and walk through videos between the movies.
Speaker 1: They owed Waxwork, which was really scary, which is like
Speaker 1: a Horrors of the Wax Museum movie. Wax Museum adjacent
Speaker 1: horror movies are like extremely scary, engrossed me. So scary.
Speaker 1: And then The Fun House, which I've seen before, which
Speaker 1: is the Toby Hooper but I love it. It's um
Speaker 1: people did these like two teen couples on a double
Speaker 1: date go to a super sketchy carnival and decide to
Speaker 1: stay overnight in the Dark Ride for fun. Spoiler it's
Speaker 1: not fun. Also, it's another Toby Hooper like incestuous Family
Speaker 1: of Deformed People thing. So he's really into that. I
Speaker 1: thought that though, because his parents ran a movie theater
Speaker 1: in Texas where they showed a lot of like exploitation movies,
Speaker 1: and so that's why he makes exploitation movies. And then
Speaker 1: they showed Final Destination three, Oh Great, which I couldn't
Speaker 1: handle because it's too scary. I really Destinations that's the
Speaker 1: one where they it's uh I think it's Mary. Elizabeth
Speaker 1: Winstead is the lead, and she they're at a theme
Speaker 1: park and she had a theme. She sees that the
Speaker 1: roller coaster is going to derail and kill everybody and
Speaker 1: convinces people to get off, but then of course they
Speaker 1: are killed anyway. Those movies, those are the movies that
Speaker 1: I find like too bleak, really the Final Destinations, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you can't escape death in them. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: you can't escape death in real life, and exactly I
Speaker 1: know that's why they're so fucking scary. I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's something like so outrageous though about the desks in them,
Speaker 1: where it's like this is like fate like arranging the
Speaker 1: most grizzly death for you. That is so it's so
Speaker 1: nasty that I just like it makes me laugh, Like right, no,
Speaker 1: when it gets into that nightmare on Elm Street territory
Speaker 1: where it's like you're gonna have the dad that like
Speaker 1: makes the most sense for you, and that person the
Speaker 1: tailor made death is really alarming, so scary. I might
Speaker 1: watch some Freddie movies I've been I've seen all of
Speaker 1: the Freddie movies a couple of times. Now, those are
Speaker 1: the ones that really freaked me out as a kid
Speaker 1: too much to even engage with. And then I finally
Speaker 1: watched them and they're really good and funny. Emily, what
Speaker 1: are you thinking of watching? Well? I wanted to just
Speaker 1: recommend a couple of things. One, I think we talked
Speaker 1: before about the seventies horror series on Criterion right now,
Speaker 1: which is really great. Um. I did watch Dracula uh
Speaker 1: nine a d uh the other day, which is truly ridiculous,
Speaker 1: but just like, yeah, it's like a fun thing to watch.
Speaker 1: Uh and then uh oh. And then there's also I've
Speaker 1: found myself like browsing HBO Max, which I rarely do
Speaker 1: because like lately I've just had specific things that I'm
Speaker 1: watching on HBO Max. I haven't been like going through
Speaker 1: and looking at what they have. But they also have
Speaker 1: a pretty good, um like classic horror or seventies horror
Speaker 1: situation that has like I think they have like The
Speaker 1: Brood and like, uh, Carnival of Souls is on there,
Speaker 1: and a bunch of other stuff. I would recommend that, Oh,
Speaker 1: they've got Final Destination five. There's a really good movie
Speaker 1: in that seventies horror collection on Criterion that's so Nightcall
Speaker 1: called The Velvet Vampire. Oh, I haven't seen that. You
Speaker 1: haven't either. You recommended it, and it sounds great. It's great,
Speaker 1: and it's directed by Stephanie Rothman, who's like one of
Speaker 1: the few women who made a bunch of Roger Corman movies,
Speaker 1: who's really rad. But it's like the most nightcall movie.
Speaker 1: It's basically The Love Which but about a vampire, and
Speaker 1: it's about a sexy female vampire bisexual who invites hipsters
Speaker 1: to come to her desert house in Joshua Tree and
Speaker 1: then seduces and destroys everybody. That's I mean, that sounds great.
Speaker 1: When was it made? It's so great. It's seventies and
Speaker 1: it's like the most seventies movie. It's the most California
Speaker 1: maybe because it's like she's a vampire but she has
Speaker 1: son and she drives a dune buggy. Oh hell yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so nightcall Um and the guy and it is
Speaker 1: one of it's like the Himbo from Beyond the Valley
Speaker 1: of the Dolls. It is a delight. I had never
Speaker 1: heard about it. That sounds perfect for it's great. Well,
Speaker 1: I had also been saying, like I I said, like
Speaker 1: a minute before my boyfriend like why aren't there more
Speaker 1: horror movies where all the victims are met? And then
Speaker 1: this was a little more like that. Oh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: like good there should be because it's all like dudes
Speaker 1: making these movies for the most part. Um, That's why
Speaker 1: I was actually a little like stoked about in Texas
Speaker 1: Chainsaw Massacre. You know they don't discriminate. Oh they don't.
Speaker 1: Everyone's gotta go, uh what about you test? I'm taking
Speaker 1: it classic style. We're going to rewatch the Shining Um
Speaker 1: because we're living in the shining And then I'm also
Speaker 1: going to force us to watch Pet Cemetery, which I
Speaker 1: think is just such a terrifying movie. My parents, um
Speaker 1: are not easily freaked out. But in New York they
Speaker 1: went to go see Pet Cemetery in the theaters and
Speaker 1: they had adopted a dog. I think they'd had dogs before,
Speaker 1: but they this dog had like some behavior issues. It
Speaker 1: was just one of those dogs where you like, what's
Speaker 1: going on in your mind? I'm not sure. And they
Speaker 1: got home and they also had a very mean cat.
Speaker 1: They got home really late from the movie and like
Speaker 1: opened the door and saw the pets and like couldn't
Speaker 1: couldn't deal. They were like so rattled by the movie
Speaker 1: that they were like our our pets, like evil pets,
Speaker 1: and they had to just be like, good night, guys,
Speaker 1: I'll see you in the morning. I'm also gonna recommend
Speaker 1: that you guys have to watch Doctors Sleep because it
Speaker 1: is so bad. I can't bear to watch something that's
Speaker 1: so bad. Right, but it makes you appreciate The Shining
Speaker 1: so much, But what about what? But watching the Shining
Speaker 1: also makes you appreciate But it's funny because it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, Stephen King hates Stanley Kubrick Shining because it's
Speaker 1: like not faithful enough to the book. This is like
Speaker 1: his opportunity to litigate that, and so he just like
Speaker 1: makes it all completely literal. It's like, just like here's
Speaker 1: all the rules and logic of the Shining Verse and
Speaker 1: like the things that make the things in the Shining happen,
Speaker 1: which is totally demystifying and not something anyone wants. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: it's like a scolding movie where he's like, I'll do
Speaker 1: it right here. It is so unscary. And the villain
Speaker 1: is a woman whose name is Rose the Hat because
Speaker 1: she wears a hat. Well, I'm Emily the headphones right now.
Speaker 1: I just want you to have to see it so
Speaker 1: that we talk about it, because it's so silly and dumb.
Speaker 1: I never read the book, so I have no you know,
Speaker 1: so good point for the faithfulness. I just love the movie.
Speaker 1: I think all the stuff that that Stephen King was
Speaker 1: mad didn't end up in the movie. It's like, that's
Speaker 1: what makes the movie good is your brain is like
Speaker 1: trying to make connections and it can't fully make them right,
Speaker 1: and Stephen King is like it's because he's an alcoholic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean that the book is great, like they're
Speaker 1: two things can exist in the world without I've never
Speaker 1: read the book. Maybe we should do it for a
Speaker 1: book club. Sometimes. I'm always down for some vintage Stephen King. Guys. Know,
Speaker 1: I've never read a single Stephen King book in my life.
Speaker 1: I guess I've read. I've read the anthology, like the
Speaker 1: short stories, but mostly I just would make tests, tell
Speaker 1: me what happens and that, and I'm here for that. Molly.
Speaker 1: You read The Lango Years though, right, No. I just
Speaker 1: saw the TV mini series. Oh my god, you guys. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting I'm sitting on the floor and it's like
Speaker 1: you're like by a pile of your Stephen King pyle. Look,
Speaker 1: it's like I even have like current Stephen King, this
Speaker 1: one of the like second last, it's all by my bed,
Speaker 1: and I'm embarrassed because like latter day Stephen King, like
Speaker 1: I could read something more nourishing for my brain, but
Speaker 1: it's nourishing the one that I always I'm like the
Speaker 1: girl who loved Tom Hardy. That's not what it's called,
Speaker 1: but the But everybody I know who's into Stephen King
Speaker 1: is like a completist in that way, and I like,
Speaker 1: I don't look down on it at all. I think
Speaker 1: it seems really fun. I just never caught the train.
Speaker 1: I never got it on at the right time, and
Speaker 1: so now it feels really daunting. I did ask another
Speaker 1: friend of mine, who is like a major Stephen King fan,
Speaker 1: to like give me kind of a primer, give me, like, like,
Speaker 1: here's the first five you should read, and I remember
Speaker 1: that she recommended, like I think she recommend. I know
Speaker 1: that Christina and Kujo were both in those that top five,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I want to read both
Speaker 1: of those books. Uh, I just haven't yet. They also
Speaker 1: go well together because it's the Possessed Car and the
Speaker 1: Possessed Kujo is actually holds up really while I re
Speaker 1: read Kujo, but that was the book where at my
Speaker 1: copy of Kujo, it was like a really cheap whatever,
Speaker 1: shitty copy of Coujo. And I got maybe halfway through
Speaker 1: and then the pages started repeating, like there there was
Speaker 1: like a section that had were found out of sequence,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is a really amazing book
Speaker 1: because it's just it's like making me feel like I'm
Speaker 1: insane and wow, like this is really incredible work by
Speaker 1: Stephen King. And then was like, oh, okay, there's just
Speaker 1: like a chapter missing and it's it's just a printing era.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. It was just exactly, um, well, maybe we
Speaker 1: should take some night calls about the Stephen King of
Speaker 1: Verse to go and take us into November. We're also
Speaker 1: going to be doing some episodes about dreams. Uh, and
Speaker 1: so if you have any thoughts or don't, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: don't tell us your dream because I think I don't
Speaker 1: know about you guys. Maybe we can talk about this later.
Speaker 1: But like, listening to somebody tell me their dreams is
Speaker 1: like never the most interesting thing, but like recurring dreams
Speaker 1: are interesting. Recurring dreams and prophetic dreams. Yeah, and also
Speaker 1: I would like to hear about some COVID dreams because
Speaker 1: I know it is a documented phenomenon that people are
Speaker 1: having lots of dreams about, like getting caught out with
Speaker 1: no masks. I I had a really intense COVID dream
Speaker 1: last night that I won't tell you about because of
Speaker 1: Emily's Emily's take on this is true, but I did
Speaker 1: realize like people are talking a lot more about their dreams.
Speaker 1: I think people are having more vivid dreams in general. Um. Also,
Speaker 1: if you have movies or books that you love about dreams,
Speaker 1: please recommend them to us. So, yeah, I was gonna
Speaker 1: say it's one of like three stimuli we get now
Speaker 1: it's like food, sleep. Yeah, if you're I don't know,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say drugs. Yeah, you can say drugs.
Speaker 1: It's drugs. U keep it spooky and we will see
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