WEBVTT - 132: Ramtha & Grottoes 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:06.440 It's two twenty two am in YELM, Washington and you're 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:18.040 listening to Night Call. Hello, and welcome back to Night Call, 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:21.080 a call in show for our dystopian reality. I am 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:23.439 in Los Angeles. I am Tess Lynch, and with me 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:27.080 are Molly Lambert and Emily Oshida. We were going to 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.920 be joined by Marrow Wilson today, but unfortunately she had 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.760 some technical difficulties, so she will be on the podcast 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:34.479 next week. We have a night Call we want to 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:36.960 take right off the top in honor of the recent 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:41.519 finale of The Vow on HBO. This is a night email, actually, 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:45.400 and it is anonymous and it is juicy. Okay, So 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:47.920 they write really enjoying all of the conversation around the 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:49.680 Vow and glad to hear I'm not the only one 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.199 who seems to have been driven crazy by many aspects 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:54.440 of the series. How did Keith pull this thing off? 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:56.400 Where's Mark to blame in all of this? Why do 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:58.880 you so many of these ladies have bad eyebrows? What 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.560 the hell is up with this aerie's narrative structure? Who 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:06.720 shortens Anthony to Nippy? Great question? Anyway, back in I 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.760 was working at an unscripted production company that was shopping 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.919 around a project about the housekeepers of Beverly Hills homes. 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:15.760 I'm sure you can guess what the very clever title was. 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:18.920 The sizzle was tasteless even for the time. We were 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.480 talking the height of Jersey Shore and the eve of 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.959 here comes Honey, boo boo, and featured long sequences of 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:28.720 the housekeepers just cleaning fancy houses. One of the featured 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.880 housekeepers was employed by none other than the daughter of 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:37.240 Princess Elizabeth of Yugoslavia, Dynasty's Amanda Carrington and next M's 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:42.440 public enemy number one, herself, Katherine Oxenberg. I don't remember specifics, 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:44.800 but I do remember one woman complaining about how long 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:47.000 it took the housekeeper to walk up and down the 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:49.720 driveway to get the mail, and one obsessed with having 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.600 crystal clear windows. I've seen a lot of failed projects, 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.040 but the level of cringe from this one was really breathtaking. 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:59.360 I'll never forget it. Thank you so much for this scoop. 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:02.600 So it turns out that that Katherine Oxenburg was like 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:06.160 so close to being a real housewife. The spotlight fell 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:08.200 on her housekeeper instead, and what sounds like a really 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.880 awful project that I'm glad ton't go to a series. 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:13.480 You know what's funny is that when they showed the 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:17.560 interior of Katherine Oxenberg's house and the wall of religious 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:21.560 artifacts that's so densely packed with crosses and stuff, I 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.000 was like, man, a nightmare to clean right there. Oh 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.960 my god, who's gonna dust all those crosses? She has 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.959 one of those houses that's like so white and minimalist 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:34.480 looking where you're like, oh, it must take so much cleaning. 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:36.440 It's white and minimalist, but it has a lot of 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.840 chat It has chats. It's got spiritual chatch keys. It 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:43.760 also looks like kind of small from the outside, but 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:46.120 like in a Malibu way and where it's like it's small, 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:49.919 but it's like probably costs a zillion dollars. But I mean, 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:54.079 I wonder if Katherine signs off on that, if she 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:58.680 like nominates her housekeeper to be in that show, Like, 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:02.679 how does that work in that instance? I mean she 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.240 would have to give permission at least, but I would 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.840 imagine that it would be some kind of a weird 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.040 casting call where people would recommend I was like, Oh, 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:15.800 my housekeeper happens to also clean houses for so and 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.399 so like and then put them in touch. But it's 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:22.040 such an obvious trap to be portrayed as a horrible boss. 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.600 Who on earth would sign up to let like a 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:31.280 Bravo s docuseries be made about their housekeepers and their staff. 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.840 Probably someone who thinks they're going to come off as 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:40.920 an amazing, gracious, wonderful Yes, and I can totally see 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:46.320 Katherine Oxenbourge being that person, honestly, Like they don't. They 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:52.119 rarely showed domestic laborers on Real Housewives. They did more 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.280 in the beginning, and I loved when they would do 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:59.160 that because you would see these people being such assholes 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.480 to their housekeep first, uh, and then maybe they realized 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.120 that that wasn't good for making anyone sympathized with the 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:09.440 housewives ever, But occasionally it's a plotline. Yeah, it was 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.160 this tricky thing they always do, like especially in the 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.800 early seasons of those shows, where it's like they're trying 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:18.880 to do this balancing act of portraying outrageous wealth and 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.000 you know that kind of lucky lou aspect of it, 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.120 with like, oh, but you care about these characters, and 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:27.279 by the time you've actually like gotten to the point 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.440 for the further along in the series where you do 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:31.279 care about some of the characters and you have to 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.240 like be very then this, then that stuff, and that, 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:36.919 like look at how outrageously wealth they are, like entitled 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:40.760 this person is. SIT's weirder and weirder with the rest 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:42.880 of the show. There was a big plot line on 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:46.880 Real Housewives of New York where Sonia Morgan, who is 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:50.159 like fallen from grace. She used to be married to JP, 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:53.880 someone from JP Morgan, and she's like very attached to 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.320 the fact that she had this name and all the status, 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:58.800 and then he left her, and so she just has 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.440 the name and this town house. I love it because 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.240 it's very like Edith Wharton. She's just like I'm going 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.560 to get back up there somehow, you know, even though 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:09.320 I'm in my fifties now, I'm like, it's gonna happen. 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.240 I just need a plan. But you know, the townhouse 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.520 is basically what what she has at this point because 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:17.640 she lost all this money and all these bad investments 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.040 and she had somebody stay with her. She had Tinsley 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.640 Mortimer stay with her, and they fought a bunch over um. 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:25.880 She was like, you can't ask my maid to do 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.880 things for you, even though you're living here. That's my 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:33.400 maid and you're just my guests. No, I mean all 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.200 of this just makes my skin crawls so much. She does. 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.719 But it's interesting. It is. It's Tinsley Mortimer, a real 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.200 housewife of New York. Yeah, for like two seasons, although 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.520 she just left. Oh I didn't. I never watched New York. 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.680 I have to say her plot line is great too, 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.080 because it's like she comes back to New York after 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.479 being disgraced. She had a mug shot in Florida for 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:58.119 trying to break into her boyfriend's house. I remember that, um. 0:05:58.440 --> 0:05:59.839 But it's like she comes back to New York and 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:03.000 she trying to recapture the early two thousand's but they're gone, 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.040 you know. So she dresses the way she dressed it's 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:11.039 when she first became semi famous, and her mom, her 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:15.000 mom is like this insane Southern mom who's like, you know, 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.880 you're still gonna like find the perfect husband and have 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.320 a grandchild for me. But there's this incredible episode where 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:23.600 they go to the circus together and they're both wearing 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:27.760 like she's wearing like circus clown like cutie makeup because 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:31.000 she is doing something on stage at the circus and 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.359 then she just has a complete mental breakdown at the 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:37.960 circus with her mom. Is she becoming like a or 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:45.159 like our first oughts, Misshavis Sham, Like, oh good, that 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.799 sounds incredible. Real house Lives of New York is so 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.800 Mishavis Sham. They're all mishavi as Sham and they're all 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:55.000 single now right, they're all single, and they all hate 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:57.160 it and they'd all throw each other under the bus 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:01.160 for a man, which is like a really interesting dynamic 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:04.760 to watch on a show. Yeah. Man, it's like a 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:06.799 Sex in the City went on for five more decades. 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.360 Like it's very It stops being glamorous at a certain point. 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.440 Because I'm always like, these shows are a critique, which 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.160 is what I taught myself so I can keep watching them. Yeah, 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:17.840 if you watched them the right way, there a critique. 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:21.520 I'll say, there's a critique available in the text. It's 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:25.760 not necessarily at the top. Well, they seem miserable despite 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.160 the money, and they're so attached to this rich New 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:33.600 York Manhattan lifestyle that they have that it's like they're 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.800 all just clinging onto it for dear life. And they 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.000 refuse to do anything that might make them happy. That 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:42.240 isn't that? Yeah? Right? Can I wait? This is like 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.520 a little segue, and we weren't necessarily going to talk 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.720 about this, but I just saw this on Twitter this 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:51.040 morning because I'm like probably an advisable and advisably dipping 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:54.120 my toe back into Twitter, but I was I saw 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:59.120 a thread that was started by uh Sarah Maslin near Um. 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.760 She's a journal to New York Times, and she you know, 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:03.640 there have been least threads all summer that are like 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:07.120 New York is dead, New York is over, etcetera. And 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.760 she was just saying like, because I guess she lives 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.640 in the West Village, and she's like, it's actually totally empty, 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.560 nobody's here anymore. And then of course everybody's like, no, 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.440 New York is stronger than never, blah blah blah. Even 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.280 though we were talking about a city of five boroughs 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.400 and there could be wild variation between them, but like, 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.480 from from what she was described, it did sound like like, 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:28.800 you know, Manhattan and i e. The place where rich 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:33.599 people live, is like completely empty now, like everybody is 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.280 going to their country homes for real. I think that 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:38.600 is a real phenomenon. I think a lot of rich 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:43.319 people have been fleeing cities for their vacation homes because 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:47.760 they can well. I also think that with the travel restrictions, um, 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.240 that may have made things even worse, because I think 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.200 as soon as it was mentioned that there were they 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.120 were going to be restricting travel from New York to 0:08:55.559 --> 0:09:00.360 Connecticut New Jersey vacation home places, I think everyone was like, great, 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.840 let's go right now we're not allowed to, then we 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.280 have to. I mean the New York Times has also 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.040 run a lot of insane stuff about stuff like this. 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.800 They ran that thing that was like turning your second 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:16.760 home into a first home. God, but I'm interested, like, 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.160 and I'd be interested for any of our listeners who 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:23.040 are in New York and specifically who can access like 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.680 Lower Manhattan and the most ridiculous parts of Manhattan easily. 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.320 Like I would like a scene report from like how 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:33.080 dead meat packing is? Right, it's dead at all? Because 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.360 I think it's been. I mean, I think it's like 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:38.440 there's a certain class of person who's like, it's dad, 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:43.600 it's over, and then there's all the like younger broker 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.240 people who are like, it's amazing, we can just run 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.319 around and do whatever we want. It's like old timey 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.719 New York. But this is the thing is like I 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.680 think that part of New York has been so taken 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.240 over by stuff that is only for the rich people, 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.880 and like you know, designers show ups and stuff like 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.000 the Mark Jacob's store and shipped like that, and like 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:06.040 hotels that are more or less nonfunctional. Right now, that 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:09.320 I think that when you do take that cohort out 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.199 of there, it does become a ghost town of its 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.760 own design because you did not design a place that 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:18.200 is for everybody. You don't have affordable places to go 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:22.120 do outdoor dining or whatever. Like. Also, though, just to 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.000 be sympathetic to what New York is going through, um 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.360 my parents have a lot of friends who are older, 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.040 like in their late seventies and eighties and um one 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:33.800 in their nineties. And they're not necessarily wealth either, like 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.960 long term New Yorkers who basically have had to leave 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:40.480 grand control. Yeah, but they they are staying with relatives 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.280 and staying with friends outside of New York because for 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.880 them to be you know, walking around the streets of 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.640 New York has just gotten to be scary. You know, 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:51.680 you have high risk, so I think, you know, I 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:55.000 I was having some fun thinking like, hey, new York's over, 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.080 but then I was like, oh, but that's you know, 0:10:57.679 --> 0:10:59.960 it's not just like all the rich people have been 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.000 chased out. It's a lot of them are just old 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:05.120 New Yorkers who are the cohort of New Yorkers. Is 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:06.760 like the ancient New Yorkers who have been there for 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.400 and people who can't leave their apartments because there aremunocompromised. 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:13.280 I think that is a lot. Yeah, I mean I 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.280 just think all these is New York over. It's like, no, 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.199 when the rich people live, that's like when a city 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:21.120 gets cool. You know. Yeah, I think that's the thing. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.720 Like New York is over can means so many different 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:27.120 things to whoever you're talking to you. Uh. And I 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.920 think like I wouldn't say New York is over, but 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:34.080 I would say that like it sounds like anecdotally, it 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.720 feels like there was some kind of maxine out of 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:42.280 the uber wealthy development that that happened, especially like in 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:46.760 Lower Manhattan. Uh. And that is interesting to me because 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.440 it's like, oh if that stuff all, if that if 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:52.480 that really cannot get back up to that level of 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.960 you know, outrageous wealth and and you know, nothing but 0:11:56.360 --> 0:12:01.080 Lilabo for miles and miles, Like maybe there's a chance 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:04.679 for interesting stuff to come back there, yes, um, which 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:09.160 is you know, not not necessarily looking for silver linings 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.880 here at the moment, but that would be interesting if 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.800 that happened. So well, I love when people come to 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:16.800 l A and they're like, oh, it's so debt, and 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:21.040 it's like no, it's always like that pretty much. That's 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.480 what we love about it. Yeah. I also, though, I 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:26.400 think a lot about how families are doing in New 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.680 York right now, and especially with the kind of cluster 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.320 fuck that's been going on with schools reopening not reopen. 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.040 You know, it just seems like it's going to be 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.640 this endless shuffle that's going to go on for way 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.520 longer than a lot of families of young kids can handle. 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:42.080 So I also just wonder like how and I talked 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.000 about this last week too, of like, well, you've got 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.960 to think about like the different architecture that will happen 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:50.240 after this pandemic. It's so exciting because I'm so depressed 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.000 that I'm clinging to these things. But I do wonder 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:55.839 how New York is going to kind of reinvent itself 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.600 as a place that can withstand these kinds of pandemics, 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.240 because I'm sadly as ming that this is not the 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.280 last one that we're going to encounter in our lifetimes. 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:07.360 And you know, I think about where I grew up 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.840 in New York and how often I needed to get 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.040 out of the apartment, and like a lot of my 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.080 friends were in one bedrooms with their families. You can't 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.720 really be in a one bedroom with four people for 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.600 seven months, you know, what do you do? Yeah? Well, 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.120 that's the thing is It's like a lot of cities 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:25.840 are based on the idea that like maybe you have 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:27.800 a small apartment, but it's because you have the whole 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.959 city as your playground, and if you can't leave, your 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:35.160 apartment becomes a different thing. And that's why I you know, 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.640 I take a little bit of exception when people are 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:42.240 shaming people who are leaving, especially people who are more 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.880 middle class or whatever and have that situation. It's like, 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.839 the reason you're in New York is because of your job, 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.520 needing to be you know, having proximity to whatever industry 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:55.400 you're in, And if that's off the table, why would 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.080 you live in that small of a place for that 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.800 much money. Like, I don't. I don't think like there's 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.880 this wild, very tribal New York shaming thing that happens. 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.600 And I like understand it if you're talking about people 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:11.800 who have multiple homes and are just like ditching the city. Um, 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.160 but if that's your one home and you have a 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.880 one bedroom apartment in like Crown Heights or whatever, and 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.720 you're paying like three thousand dollars for it or whatever, 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:26.000 like I understand wanting to leave. Tons of people are 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:29.040 moving back in with their families because they have no 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.960 choice and you can't afford to live in a in 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.880 a big city if they're not you know, making making 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.560 a salary. Um. But I do think that every time 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.280 there's been one of these things where it's like, wow, 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.960 what an exciting opportunity to like remake the city is 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:48.600 something good over this year so far, it hasn't turned 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.040 out the way I personally would want it to. It's 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.960 like such a years long process to right. Like I 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:56.360 feel like, you know, there's gonna be a wave of 0:14:56.400 --> 0:15:00.520 stuff closing or you know, corporations taking their their their 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:05.160 franchises out of out of certain neighborhoods. And leaving vacancies behind. 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.560 And then there's they're still probably going to only run 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.800 out those places too, you know, the kinds of businesses 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:12.880 that can't afford there, and so it'll take to several 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:16.440 waves of failure before it's like okay, like mom and 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.560 pops can have this place again. Exactly, we're still at 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.240 the point where we're identifying the problems like there were 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.560 nowhere near being able to implement solutions until we recognize 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.880 how any kind of recovery is possible for small businesses 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.520 and how much longer this will go on. I was 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.960 talking to a friend um whose doctor said, like, you 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.080 you should think of this pandemic as a marathon. Then 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:49.040 you're in miles seven and it's very long. Six it's 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.880 that sticker, that something on everybody's car. You can tell 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:58.520 that we all by our six. I heard someone say 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:04.720 two yesterday, twenty five or six to four, we're all 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:08.680 moving to shock Chicago. Maybe that's where Tinsley Mortimer moved 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:12.720 to leave The Real Housewives. She went to Chicago for love, 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:14.960 and they were all like, how dare you leave New 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:18.960 York for Chicago? You'll never be happy in Chicago. She 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:24.360 was like, I've kind of boyfriend. I'll be fine. Well, 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.840 we're going to take a break and we'll be right back. 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:40.400 Welcome back tonight. Call. So we have continued to get 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:45.920 a ton of Pyramid Pals slash Crazy Architecture emails and calls. 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:48.600 We appreciate all of them we've got. Maybe we can 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.640 like just tweet out a bunch of these or something, 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.000 because the thing is that there there are a lot 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.320 of them are just visual and like you know, we're 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.560 a podcast, so there's only so much that we can 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.560 get into with it. But we did want to highlight 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:07.520 something that came up this past week in connection with 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:12.040 the vow. Oh yes can I may I please do? 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.320 This is one of those things, so we talked about this. Um. 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:19.280 We recently had a Patreon special episode with Nicki Mayor 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:21.520 Um to talk more about the vow in the finale, 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.199 and I Molly first brought this to my attention that 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.000 Mark vas Sonny was not a cult newbie when he 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.720 joined Nexium. He had, in fact belonged to a cult 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:34.000 called Ramtha. And Molly mentioned this to us, and then 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:38.480 I got so obsessed with Rampa I don't even know 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.280 where to begin. I implore everybody who's listening to this 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:43.760 to read up on Ramtha. What if all of the 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.560 vow was just like a long con to get people 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.399 to join Ramtha because they're like this this cult sucks, 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:53.960 but that well, you campinably come away from the vow 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:57.400 being like, all of these people would join another cult tomorrow, 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.280 Oh yeah, definitely, and then they'd be like, it's not 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.359 a cult like the last one. It's self improvement, just 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.760 like they were saying at the beginning of joining next 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:10.560 um Um Rantha's School of Enlightenment is a cult that's 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:14.520 based in Yelm, Washington. Uh. It's started by a woman 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.639 who named herself Judy Zebra Knight. She was born with 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.800 a different name. Um. My favorite thing about Rampa is 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.760 the origin story of Rampa's that Judy and her first 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.919 husband in the seventies were messing around with pyramids that 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.560 they thought could turn things into gold and had like 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:31.800 magical properties, and she put one on her head like 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:35.960 a little tiny pyramid, and then she spoke um with 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:43.359 ancient spirits voice and has continued to do so since then. Um. 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.280 And when we were talking on the maybe maybe it 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:49.240 was after the Patreon episode had wrapped, we realized Selma 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:52.720 Hyak is a practitioner of Rampa. I think we talked 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.199 about this on the pud. I can't remember if it 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:57.720 was on the pot. We kept talking after we wrapped 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:01.520 the pot because we are like Lane has has been 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.119 and then Salma Hyak was as well. And then I 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.840 found the connection between them and that that's a Sundance 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:14.880 Uh time's up story. But it was it's a very deep, 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.919 deep dig. But um. But the crazy thing is I 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.239 went back and I read that article again. So this 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.199 is I don't know if people remember this. This is 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:25.320 like a very like film twitter thing that happened on 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:28.959 at Sundance a few years back. There was a lunch 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.480 a luncheon with like v I P Ladies of Sundance, 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:36.159 and there was just an incident where Salmahayak was like 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:41.040 talking over Jessica Williams Uh and kind of like referring 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:42.840 to like she called her like baby and was just 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:47.280 being being like basically saying that like she couldn't like 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:51.199 her her struggles with like being being a woman of 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:53.640 color or being a black woman in the industry were 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.000 like not exceptional, and that we all had to like, 0:19:56.600 --> 0:20:00.520 you know, basically have a unified struggle together and not 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:05.000 necessarily recognizing that it could be different for different people. Um, 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.399 and the but the language is she's using because Shirley 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:12.680 McClain is also there is so nexium ish that it's crazy, 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:15.480 Like I wonder if I wonder if they also dipped 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:19.200 a toe into nextium at all, because it's very um, 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:23.320 it's very like you can't identify as a victim. That's 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.600 the thing a lot. And also I think that they 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:30.280 do they do things like exercises where they get blindfolded 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.119 and they have they you know, all of these Rampa 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:36.040 people have to run around and like find objects that 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.680 they've put in a field earlier and try and remember 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:40.720 where they put them, and then they bump into each 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:42.760 other and get hurt. I mean, it's just it's And 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:46.840 also it has a very problematic layer where um, Judy 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:51.880 Zebra will talk as Rampa, but she'll say really racist 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.600 or anti Semitic things and then just be like, oh, 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.320 you know, it's Rampa. It's a really intense is that 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:03.320 because Rampa is an ancient Egyptian pharaoh's like I guess, 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:07.719 so also makes predictions. Rampa likes to predict the future, 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:11.280 and there's a really heavy emphasis on you know, kind 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:14.239 of quantum physics that you put through a sieve and 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:16.680 take what you want, but it's not really quantum physics. 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:20.359 But sorry, what the bleep? Well that's what it is, 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:22.960 is that what the bleep was basically like Rampa, a 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:26.480 Rampa project um. And it's very odd that that none 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:28.119 of this was mentioned in the vow. I feel like 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:30.800 it's very germane to that discussion of him being in 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:34.240 a call. Did we mention with with Rampa that that 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:38.560 Judy Zebra was born in Roswell in n We have 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:44.800 not mentioned that. Seems important, seems we're very important, um. 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:49.240 But it's also a really fascinating, weird kind of encapsulation 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:52.920 of the topics we've been discussing recently, cults and pyramids. 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:57.160 It's all connected. Final destination of cults and pyramids is Rampha. 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:02.920 This is night calling on so it make sense should 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:09.480 we take a night email about our weird buildings? Oh yeah, okay, 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:14.160 this one comes from smaller demon loving the weird building emails. 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:16.719 You could have an entire spinoff podcast based on it. 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:23.600