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Find out 17 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: how to protect your child when you're out of the 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: mall or the store, or the grocery, in the parking 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: lot at home. Find out about protection regarding babysitters, in daycare, 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: even online. I'd rather have that any day of the 21 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: week than a plastic toy or God forbid, a toy gun. 22 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: Join Justice, nation. Go to crime stops here dot com 23 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Thanksgiving is the last known 24 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: time Kelsey Barrett was seen in public. It was at 25 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: this Safeway store where she was captured by the store 26 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: security cameras. Cheryl Barrett says she spoke with Kelsey by 27 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: phone that day twice. What did you talk about that day? 28 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: Always just small things and initially she needed a recipe 29 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: based on that conversation. There was nothing to make you 30 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: believe there is anything wrong exactly. Yeah, her voice was fine, 31 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: she was, Yeah, she was. It was a normal day 32 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: for her. Patrick Phrasie stayed silent as he walked into 33 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: a Teller County courtroom. Inside, he spoke just once when 34 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: he waived his right to have a preliminary hearing within 35 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: thirty five days. That will give his attorneys more time 36 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: to prepare. It is an ongoing active investigation. Prosecutors have 37 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: told us they believe Kelsey Barrett was killed inside her 38 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: home around Thanksgiving. Two counts of first degree murder and 39 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: that phrase did not act alone. We also have three 40 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: separate counts of solicitation. The district attorney says they have 41 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: two theories, but will not reveal what evidence they have 42 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: in a case with more questions than answers, I can 43 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: I talk to you about any potential motives in this case. 44 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: You are hearing from our friends at KKTV, that's Catherine 45 00:02:54,400 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: Silver and from NBC Joe Friar. The very latest in 46 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: the case of missing Colorado mom Kelsey Barett. As the 47 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: plot seemingly thickens in the last hours, a female nurse, 48 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: age thirty two, now suspected of disposing the missing mom's 49 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: cell phone. A divorced mother of two herself, was she 50 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: having an affair with the killer fiance Patrick Frazy. This 51 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: as other news emerging shedding light on what happened to 52 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: the beautiful young mom, last seen in a safe Way 53 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: grocery with her little talk girl just one year old. 54 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel, Ashley Willcott, judge and 55 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: lawyer Vincent Hill, cop turned PI Karen Start, New York 56 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: psychologist Alexis Terreschuk, reporter with Radar Online dot Com and 57 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: from Crime Online dot Com. Ellen Colaurin, First to you, 58 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: Alexis Terrestchuck, what another woman? I mean? He's not even 59 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: married to Kelsey Barett, So I guess you're cheating on 60 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: your girlfriend. One I mean, it's not only they're going 61 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: to have a big divorce and split up property. Why 62 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: not just break up? What do you know about this 63 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: thirty two year old nurse? So this woman a second 64 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: woman his surface, but Patrick apparently, and people are saying 65 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: that she might be his mistress and that she helped 66 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: dispose Kelsey's cell phone because she was found. The phone 67 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: was found three states away, and this woman has now 68 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: been questioned by the police. And this is the thing 69 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: they police accept from the beginning. They do not believe 70 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: that Patrick committed this crime alone, that he had to 71 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: have help. Well, this is probably the biggest piece of 72 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: evidence that we've had so far that someone else was involved, 73 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: because it's something physical, because we don't have her body. 74 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: No one has her body, but her cell phone is 75 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: found in Idaho, three states away. And yeah, you know, 76 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: you're right, Alexis Stresscha investigator with Radar online dot Com. Alexis, 77 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right when you say. Police theorize that the 78 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: fiance Phrasey never left the state from Thanksgiving until the 79 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: search was on, which means if he didn't live the state, 80 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 1: how did he, if he's guilty, get her cell phone. 81 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: Nearly eight hundred miles away, now emerging a thirty two 82 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: year old divorced mother of two who was apparently having 83 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: a sex affair with a so called killer fiance, Patrick 84 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 1: Frasy Listen. Patrick Frazy appeared for his daughter's custody hearing 85 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: on Thursday and made questions about his relationship with a 86 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: woman from Idaho. Law enforcement sources say they are now 87 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: looking at a thirty two year old nurse who possibly 88 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: disposed of Kelsey Bear's phone, the last sign of life 89 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: from the missing Colorado mom, who was last seen Thanksgiving 90 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: Day shopping with her one year old daughter. The woman 91 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: in question is reportedly from Twin Falls, Idaho, not far 92 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: from where Beart's phone pinged on November twenty fifth, The 93 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: Twin Falls SHARE's office confirming to NBC News that they've 94 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: served urch warrants in the case. Some evidence was collected 95 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: and processed earlier this week. Prosecutors suggested others could be involved. 96 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,559 Speaker 1: There potentially could be other people arrested in this case. 97 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: A body has yet to be found, but authorities no 98 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: longer believed that the twenty nine year old is alive. 99 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: Offering two theories about Barrat's death, each one represented by 100 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: account of first degree murder against Bearer's fiance, Patrick Frazy. 101 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: One alleges Barrett was killed deliberately, the other alleges she 102 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: died during a robbery he commissioned. Frazy also faces three 103 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: counts of solicitation to commit murder in the months leading 104 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: up to Barrat's disappearance. Court documents not giving any details 105 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: about who we approached or insight as to why prosecutors 106 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: think Phrasey is responsible for his fiance's death. Straight out 107 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: to judge, Anne Lawyer asked you, Wilcott, you can find 108 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: her at ask you Wilcott dot com. Ashley, I see 109 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: what they're doing in the indictment. Just because there are 110 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: multiple accounts is not made that there are more, there's 111 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: more than one other person involved. What they're doing, it 112 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: sounds to me is they are indicting in the alternative 113 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: and I always did that once I understood what needed 114 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: to be done. When you're indicting or going to the 115 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: grand jury, if you've got a murder, one, you charge 116 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: with murder. Okay, if you want to be safe, you 117 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: can go ahead and include all the less are included, 118 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: such as voluntary involuntary murder too. But they're also charging 119 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: felony murder is what it seems like to me that 120 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: the death occurred during the commission of a robbery, which 121 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: means if there was a robbery and a death occurred, 122 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: whether intentional or not, then that's a murder. I think 123 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: that's what they're doing. What do you think, Ashley, Oh, 124 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with you, Nancy. I think part of 125 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: the reason they're doing that is, don't forget. We don't 126 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: have a body. We do not know what happened to her, 127 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: and because of that, they don't yet know it. It's 128 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: an intentional, accidental, so to speak, in commission of a 129 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: robbery or not. So I think it's very smart on 130 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: their part. You know what we are hearing to investigative 131 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: journalist Ellen Colauren with Crime online dot Com A robbery 132 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: that's really not fitting in with a theory that it 133 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: was a killing, a murder of passion, of red hot blood, 134 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: of anger, maybe over a breakup, that he was leaving 135 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: her and they got in an argument and he killed her. 136 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: That's one working theory. Now this woman emerges, What can 137 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 1: you tell me about this divorced mother of two that 138 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: coincidentally is from twins Fall, Idaho, near where Kelsey's phone 139 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: paying blast Yes Nancy. Multiple news outlets, but not authorities, 140 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: have identified this woman. Her name is Crystal Lee, and 141 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: one interesting thing about what we've learned about her is 142 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: that it seems like she may have no Crazy for years, 143 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: possibly even longer than Kelsey barrassed because they met in 144 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. Apparently this woman she's on a leave of 145 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: absence now, but she worked as a nurse in Twin Falls, Idaho. 146 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: But she was also involved in rodeo, which is something 147 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: that Patrick Crazy is involved in as well. And we 148 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: believe that at one time she did live in Colorado, 149 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: so their history may go back pretty far. We also 150 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: aren't sure what the status of Patrick and Kelsey's relationship 151 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: was at the time that she went missing. We have 152 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: conflicting stories. One four says that they broke up on Thanksgiving. 153 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: Other sources, friends and phrases have told us outlooks that 154 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: they haven't been together for a year. So there's a 155 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: lot of unknowns, but it's looking more and more likely 156 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: that this nurse and Twin Falls. Whether she's been involved 157 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: or not, she certainly appears to know something and it 158 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: does this to her. Ellen Alan Colaurin joining me from 159 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: crime online dot Com along with Alexis tread Shut from 160 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: Radar online dot com. I know this. I don't know 161 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: how long this nurse is divorced, mother of two has 162 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: been having a sex relationship with the so called killer fiance, 163 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: but I do know this. According to reports, fiance Patrick Frazy, 164 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: plotted for three months to kill Kilsey Barrett. Patrick Frazy, 165 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: who was formally charged with five felonies, was allegedly looking 166 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: for someone to take out the mother of his infant daughter. 167 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: It's just the latest plot twist in the Missing Mom 168 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: investigation captivating the nation. Patrick Frazy was handcuffed with shackles 169 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: around his ankles as he entered court. Frasie remained silent 170 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: as he heard the charges against him, two counts of 171 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: first degree murder and three counts of solicitation to commit 172 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: murder in the first degree. Investigators have two different theories 173 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: of his alleged crime. One theory claims Frazy intended to 174 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: deliberately kill his twenty nine year old Kelsey Barrett. The 175 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: other says she was murdered as part of a robbery. 176 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: All facts in this case or under sealed, so I 177 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: cannot talk to you about any potential motives in this case, 178 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: there potentially could be other people arrested. According to court documents, 179 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: prosecutors believe Phrasie tried to hire someone to kill Barrett 180 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 1: between September first and November first, twenty eighteen. This morning, 181 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: the District Attorney's office filed five felony counts against mister Phrasie, 182 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: two counts of first degree murder. Obviously, there was only 183 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: one murder in this case. Under Colorado law, we file 184 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: separate counts under different theories of first degree murder. We 185 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: filed under two theories. One is deliberation murder and the 186 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: other is felony murder. Felony murder in this case has 187 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: set out in the charge is that when you robbed 188 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: somebody and they die during the robbery, that is also 189 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: first degree murder. So we filed under both theories in 190 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 1: this case. We also have three separate counts of solicitation 191 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: and those are three separate counts. They are not different 192 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: theories in this case. So it's a total of five counts, 193 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: two counts of first degree murder, three counts of solicitation 194 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: that were filed against mister Frazie in this case. In 195 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: the last forty eight hours. It is emerging that a 196 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: female nurse, a thirty two year old mother of two 197 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: now divorced, was having a sex affair with a so 198 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: called killer fiance, Patrick Phrazy. We know that Kelsey Barrett, 199 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: the mother of his one year old little girl, Kelly, 200 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: has been missing since Thanksgiving, last seen on surveillance video 201 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: at a Safeway grocery store with her taught Kelly. We 202 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: also know that Phrasey visited her at her town home 203 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: just before she's reported missing, well just before she disappears. 204 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: We know that his red pickup truck was pulled in 205 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: perpendicular to her two vehicles and stayed there for a 206 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: period of time. According to a neighbor, Why why did 207 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: he have her cars pinned in? Now reports that he 208 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: had been planning to have her killed for three months. 209 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 1: This as is so called other woman is emergent. I 210 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: don't even know if you can really call it another 211 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: woman when you're not married to start with, but straight 212 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: out to you, Ellen klaurin Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, 213 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: we just heard the district attorney stating that there were 214 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: three different theories, separate theories versus three separate charges of solicitation. 215 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: These differentiated between those two. Explain quickly. So the two 216 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: separate murder charges are based on two separate theories. As 217 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: you guys previously discussed, there's no bodies, so they're they're 218 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: being smart and careful in making sure that there's there's 219 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: grounds for different types of scenariosm which Kelsey Barth was 220 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: presumably murdered. However, the solicitation charges, those are not based 221 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: on separate theories. Those there's three separate incidents. It doesn't 222 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: mean that paper Crazy allegedly solicited three separate individuals, but 223 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: there were three separate incidents or occasions in which he 224 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: sought help in plotting the murder of the mother of 225 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: his child, dating back to September. So to you, Alexis Reschuk, 226 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: investigative journalists with Radar online dot com, this woman, this 227 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: divorced mom of two, who we think may have known 228 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: him through the rodeo. What exactly is the suspicion that 229 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: she helped get rid of the cell phone? What do 230 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: they think she did? They do they think that she 231 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: did help get rid of the cell phone because the murder, well, 232 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: the disappearance happened in Colorado, but kelsey cellphone was found 233 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: in Idaho. There is there's you know, trade or going 234 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: to Idaho. There's nothing like that. There's nothing that would 235 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: would have her there at all. But this woman lives 236 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: in Idaho and she has known Patrick for years, and 237 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: so that is why this is come to a head, 238 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: that this is why she's now out there. Well, hold 239 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: on just a moment, let me understand this to Vincent Hill, 240 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: former cop turn Pi, author of playbook to a Murderer, 241 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: which you can find on Amazon. Vincent Hill, what that 242 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: means to me when I'm making of what Alexis Treschuk 243 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: and Ellen Colorna are telling me. If Patrick Frasy never 244 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: left the Colorado jurisdiction after Kelsey was killed, and we 245 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: think that occurred in her town home has to be 246 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: because of something not visible to the naked eye, because 247 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: Kelsey's brother went in and didn't see blood. But then 248 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: after cop spent about a day in there, they then 249 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: announced they think Kelsey was killed there. I'm guessing they 250 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: found evidence through lumin all that shows a blood through 251 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: kind of like a black light light. Anyway, that aside, 252 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: that would mean that whoever got rid of the phone 253 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: had to come to him. If he never left the jurisdiction. 254 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: Whoever dump the phone somewhere in Idaho would have had 255 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: to come to him to get it because she was 256 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: just on the phone with her mother that day with 257 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: her cell phone. Yeah, you're absolutely right, Nancy. And a 258 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago we were baffled of how the 259 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: phone ended up and so far away. Now it's making sense, 260 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: and maybe this nurse or whoever she is, was there 261 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: actually seeing her lover on Thanksgiving and he said, hey, 262 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: why don't you take this phone back, and by the way, 263 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: when you get there, turning on and send some text 264 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: messages so we can make it appear that Kelsey is 265 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: actually alive. And well, you know, I don't get it. 266 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: Karen Stark, well known New York psychologists, joining us today 267 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: from Manhattan. Karen, well, let's think this thing through again. 268 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: This woman has not been charged period. Even if she 269 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: had been charged, she still presumed innocent until she's proven 270 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: guilty in a court of law. Let's just carry through 271 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: this theory that she somehow did this thing to cover 272 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: up the murder of Kelsey. Beareth That means she would 273 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: have to have I guess, left her two children, driven 274 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: to Idaho, got in the phone, and you gotta wonder 275 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: didn't she ask why do you want me to drive 276 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: to Idaho and get rid of the phone and then 277 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: send text to my girlfriend's boss and to me. I mean, 278 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 1: she had to know, if this is true, what she 279 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: was doing right, So let's thank this three. That's my 280 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: first question to you, Karen. My second question is do 281 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: you go along with the theory that people always cheat down? 282 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: Because I mean, look at cheat don't. Don't look at 283 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: me like that, Jackie. What I mean is you trade 284 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: in a Cadillac for a used Ford Escort. That's what 285 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: cheating down is. Okay. What I'm saying is, I'm Kelsey Beareth, 286 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: beautiful flight instructor, just bought, you know, put money down 287 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: on a new home, got it all together, having family. 288 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: Do you believe let people cheat down? And if so, why, 289 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that that would be what I would say, Nancy. 290 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: What I'm thinking about when it comes to Patrick Crazy 291 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: is that I'm not talking about Patrick crazy, Karen. I'm 292 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: talking about in general, but in general, Nancy, including Patrick Crazy. 293 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: What I think about somebody who's a psychopath who's capable 294 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: of murder is that they really don't distinguish between a 295 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: Cadillac and a Jelope, So I feel like it's all 296 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: the same to them, one woman another woman. They're not 297 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: capable of having feelings, so there's no true attachment and connection. 298 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: Then I'm not saying that this woman, this divorced mother 299 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: of two that he met at the rodeo. Pay. I 300 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: love the rodeo, So I'm not it's not about that. 301 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he cheated down. I'm just saying in general, 302 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, do people cheat down? But you're saying you 303 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: don't know, Karen, just to jog your memory. We've had 304 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: this discussion many many times, and in the Pastor told me, 305 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: you say people cheat down, But I'm impeaching you on 306 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: a prior inconsistent statement, as she willcot. I got to 307 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: hear your take on this. I am so over all 308 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: of the cheating, cheating down, all of it. I do 309 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: not understand whether they're married or not, they have a 310 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: child together. If you want to be with someone else, 311 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: break up with someone else, do not resort to murder. 312 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Kelsey's mom. I still know somebody 313 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: knows where she's at, somebody has seen her. There's more 314 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: information out there. Somebody just needs to realize, to recognize, 315 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: than to say something. Has she ever disappeared before? No? No, 316 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: I can't think of anywhere she's ever gone that she 317 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: hasn't told me. It's just not in her character to 318 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 1: just take off and be gone. 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The 337 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: Woodland Park mother's relatives have filed a wrongful death lawsuit 338 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: against Patrick Frazy, who was Kelsey's fiance. Kelsey has not 339 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 1: been seen since Thanksgiving and is now presumed dead as 340 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: investigators still searched for her body. Frazy still sits in jail. 341 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: The Barrett's family's new lawsuit looks back at the couple's 342 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: relationship before the alleged murder. They're also suing for negligence, 343 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: arguing Phrasey carried out physical, mental, and emotional acts of 344 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: violence against Kelsey. You're hearing Denver nine Niese reporter talking 345 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,719 Speaker 1: about a wrongful death lawsuit that has just been filed 346 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: by Kelsey's parents against her so called killer fiance, Patrick Frazy. 347 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: This as it emerges that he has been having a 348 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: sex affair for some time with a nurse out of Idaho. 349 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: And do we care about that? No, we don't. But 350 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: what I do care about is that Kelsey's cell phone 351 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: pinged off a tower in Idaho's rural Goodie County. And 352 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: that is just barely north of Twins Twin Falls. Now 353 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: Twin Falls is where this divorced mother of two, this 354 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: nurse lives. The ping was three days after Kelsey was 355 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: last seen alive. Police believe this woman, this nurse, visited 356 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: Phrasey for the holiday for Christmas break at his home 357 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: in Florescent, Colorado. Now that would have been Thanksgiving break 358 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: because this broke right after that. Now Phrasey is thirty 359 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: years old, Beer at twenty nine. They have a one 360 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: year old daughter, Kelly, who was now the focus of 361 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: a custody battle between both of their parents, Kelsey's and Phrase's. 362 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: Now the lawsuit a wrongful death civil lawsuit filed by 363 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: Kelsey's parents. Straight out to Alan Duke joining us. They're 364 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: in La Alan, Your sources are telling you this is 365 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: not about the money. It's being used as an investigative tool. 366 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: Explain that it is in order to get depositions. And 367 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: by the way, he was served in jail yesterday. I'm 368 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: told by my source close to the family it is 369 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: in order to give them an extra investigative tool. Perhaps 370 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: the lawyers, the civil lawyers in this suit, can do 371 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: depositions that will help them lead to Kelsey where is she? 372 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: That's what the family really wants to know at this point, 373 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: and now they can start issuing subpoenas in order to 374 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 1: find that out well. Ashley Wilcott, Atlanta judge and lawyer. Actually, 375 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: the reality is, if you're charged with a crime, you 376 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: don't have to submit to testimony in a civil deposition. 377 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: So they're not going to get Phrasey to talk no 378 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: matter what. No. I agree with you, Nancy. So it's 379 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: interesting to me that they have filed out and that 380 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: the working theory is they've done that in order to investigate. 381 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: The only thing I wonder is if by doing that 382 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: they've employed a law firm that has more resources than 383 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: they may individually have to hire investigators and have the 384 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: people do the investigation that they want in this case. 385 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: And while they may not be able to force Phrasey 386 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: to speak under his Fifth Amendment right to remain silent, 387 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: they can get other people deposed, like the nurse who 388 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: may have been having an affair with him, like his mother, 389 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: who has been his staunch defender throughout and has been 390 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: at every single one of her son's hearing, even when 391 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: she was detained. When he was arrested, she stuck by him. 392 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: Through thick and thin, all of those people can be 393 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: rejected to testify at a civil hearing, a civil deposition, 394 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: unlike Phrasey himself. So right now, ellenkorlaurin Crime online dot 395 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: Com investigative reporters, so much happening. You got the wrongful 396 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: death lawsuit. You have the documents which you are just 397 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: publishing at crime online dot com. Right now, What can 398 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: you tell me what's in those wrongful death documents? Well, 399 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: one thing to note about the wrongful death lawsuit is 400 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: it's the first acknowledgement that Bari's family has made that 401 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: they believe Kelsey is dead. The last time that they 402 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: were speaking to the media, they thought that she was 403 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: missing and we're hoping that she would come home safely. 404 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: One interesting thing to me that jumped out in the docks, 405 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: and it doesn't have a specific timeline, but the documents 406 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: do accuse Patrick Crazy of physical, mental, and emotional acts 407 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: of violence prior to the presumed murder. Now we don't 408 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: know if this is minutes or hours, or months or 409 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: years prior, but that's something that jumped out at me 410 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: and it suggests to me a little bit more about 411 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: the nature of the relationship and his kinds of behavior. 412 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: We were talking earlier about his infidelity, his presumed infidelity, 413 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: and I wanted to I remembered one thing that we 414 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: have learned. A few weeks ago, a source spoke to 415 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: The Daily Nail who was the boyfriend of one of 416 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 1: Frazie's former girlfriends, and that source said that Phrasie cheated 417 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: on that woman when she was in the hospital. So 418 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: it seems like we're looking at a pattern of someone 419 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: here who doesn't have a lot of loyalty and certainly 420 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: seems to sleep around. Well, here's the thing. You also said, 421 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: Ellen Klaurin, that there there were some people that said 422 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: they had already broken up, that Phrasie and Kelsey Bareth 423 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: had already broken up at the time she was killed. 424 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: Why why do you say that? Because a friend of 425 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: Phrasie's who is in Colorado, a woman, spoke to a 426 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: local news outlet and she said she defended Phrazy. She 427 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: said she couldn't believe he had possibly done anything wrong. 428 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: She said that Kelsey and Patrick had broken up a 429 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: year prior, and she also claimed that Patrick was the 430 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: primary caregiver of their one year old. Oh please stop, 431 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: stop stop, I mean, you know what I'm gonna take that, 432 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: Alexis Terres Schuck writer online, I'm gonna take that with 433 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: a box of salt, not a grain as salt, a 434 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: box of salt. Because his friend of Phrasey is getting 435 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: all that from Phrasey. Okay, so he was not the 436 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: main caregiver. I don't believe that. And if he's telling 437 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: people he's been broken up with Kelsey for a year, 438 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: it's probably because he wants to sleep with him. That 439 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 1: is what men. These men do when they are trying 440 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: to pretend then they don't significant other so that they 441 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: can sleep with everybody. That's what Chris Wats did. He said, Oh, 442 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: I'm I'm divorced, I'm not even with my wife. We're 443 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: selling our house, months and months before he ever told 444 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: her that, so that he could sleep with another woman. 445 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: And the thing is about the little girl. To see 446 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: him saying that he had primary custody. He did not. 447 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: Ch was always with that little baby and her parents 448 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: are now failing to fight his parents for custody. He 449 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: is in jail for murder of Kelsey and his mom 450 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: thinks that she should have custody, but but her on 451 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: the court to fight, and they have been there every 452 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: time for custody and the judge thankfully a war custody 453 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: of a little girl. But the mom, his mom is 454 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: trying to get custody too, And yeah, you know that 455 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: takes a lot of nerve when your son is charged 456 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: with murdering the baby's mom and you're trying to get 457 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: the baby right now. And this may actually have a 458 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: significant impact on the trial. The status of the relationship 459 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: between Patrick Frasie and Kelsey Bareth now believed dead at 460 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: the time she was killed, still nobody, So the state 461 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: has a problem. Yes, technically they can go forward practically speaking, 462 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: and not as easy. Jury is going to be looking 463 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: for motive even though the state doesn't have to prove it. 464 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: And now details emerging about Bareth and Phrasey's relationship with 465 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: friends stating that the two had ended their relationship months before. Now, 466 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: think about it, Think about it, Ashley Willcot. If they 467 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,239 Speaker 1: ended their relationship months before, does that go hand in 468 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: hand with the state's allegation that he had been planning 469 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: the murder for about three months? Did he start planning 470 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: the murder when they broke up? That they ended their relationship? Now, 471 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: according to Barret's relative, specifically her aunt tam Or Freeman. 472 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: She said they had a great relationship and that they 473 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: had a great relationship up until the day Barrett went missing. 474 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: Did they break up on that day or did they 475 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: break up three months before? Ashley when, according to the state, 476 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: he started planning her murder, Well, I think he started 477 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: planning the murder before it happened. These things don't happen 478 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: overnight unless it's a crime of passion. If it's a 479 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: crime of passion, then you don't have all these links 480 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: to another woman and another place, who had the cell phone, 481 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. So I think he'd been planning it. 482 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: But I need to say this, Nancy, I think that 483 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,479 Speaker 1: he could be planning it without them having broken up, 484 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: because if they've been broken up for three months, as 485 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: close as reports say that she was to her mother, 486 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: I think her mother would have known that. Take a 487 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at Inside Editions speaking to Sonia Oliver. 488 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: As police step up the search for a missing mom, 489 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: a friend is coming to the defense of the fiance 490 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: at the center of the mystery. Police say Patrick Frazy 491 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: is the last person to have seen twenty nine year 492 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: old Kelsey Barrett alive. I was considered him to be 493 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: a gentle soul, soft spoken, and just really down to 494 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: earth and practical Sonja Oliver says she has known Fray 495 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: a rancher for five years. Do you think he possibly 496 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: had anything to do with his fiance's disappearance. I couldn't 497 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: imagine him doing anything that would harm anyone. You personally 498 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: do not believe he had anything to do with it. 499 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: I just can't imagine Patrick doing anything like that. Police 500 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: say Frey. He has so far refused to talk to them. 501 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: I'm just hoping that everything pans out to be okay. 502 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: She's lived off Lake Avenue for years, sharing cordial conversation 503 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: even family stories with Kelsey Barrett. She's an awesome person. 504 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: She's so kind and so you could tell she's a 505 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: very kindhearted person. The neighbor didn't want us showing her 506 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: face or using her real name to prevent excess attention. 507 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: But she offers new details on activity at Kelsey's home 508 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day. What do you remember seeing Thanksgiving Day? Just 509 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: up the road here? I looked up there and there 510 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: was both red pickups up there Thanksgiving Day, and that 511 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: was from about twelve thirty to one. She says she 512 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: never saw anybody but the information aligns with what Frasey 513 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: told police through his attorney, saying he picked up their 514 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: daughters sometime Thanksgiving Day. The safeway surveillance video includes a 515 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: twelve oh five timestamp, meaning the truck would have arrived 516 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: shortly thereafter the other two cars were part with the 517 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: vehicles facing the apartment, but his was parked sideways behind them. 518 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: The neighbors says it's the same chunk she's seen the 519 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: last two years driven by a man picking up and 520 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: dropping off of baby. When I showed her video of 521 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: Phrasey's truck towed off his property Friday, she says it 522 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: looks the same. The very latest in the search for 523 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: missing Colorado mom Kelsey Barrett the flight instruct her mother 524 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: of a one year old little girl, Keilly. Everything was 525 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: fine that morning. She called her mom to ask for 526 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: a recipe. She had her house neat as a pen. 527 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: She was supposed to hand off baby Kelly to her 528 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: bio dad, Patrick Frazy, her fiancee. Then everything goes sideways. 529 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: Kelsey's brother goes into her home looking for her and 530 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: says everything is in order. There are sinnamon rolls that 531 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: have cooled on the counter. Everything's there, including her luggage. 532 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: Her cell phone is missing. That cell phone peeings three 533 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: days later, eight hundred miles away in Idaho, coincidentally, just 534 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: a couple of miles from Phrasey's girlfriend, a divorced mother 535 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: of two he met on the Rodeo circuit. Straight out 536 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: to Ellen klauran crime online dot Com investigative reporter, in 537 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: the last hours, a wrongful death case filed against Phrasey 538 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: that can compel other witnesses to go under oath under deposition, 539 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: not the defendant himself. This as all eyes focused now 540 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: twin Falls, Idaho. Is this nurse, this divorced mother of two, 541 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: the next person to be charged right now? She has 542 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: not been charged. She has not been named a suspect. 543 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: What else is the very latest to you, Ellen Colaurin. 544 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: Authorities have not named any further suspects. But one thing 545 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: to remember is that on December twenty first, when Breezy 546 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: was first taken into custody, Colorado authorities sat at a 547 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: press conference at additional arrests were a strong possibility. And 548 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: in the new court filing that shows that kelseys parents 549 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: have filed the civil suit against Patrick Crazy for the 550 00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: death of Kelsey Spris, it says that Deracusey of either 551 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,959 Speaker 1: directing or being involved in her murder. So there's an 552 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: implication in these court documents that they believe that Pray 553 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: may have even commissioned someone else to do it. Man, 554 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,760 Speaker 1: that's some cold blood to Ashley Wilcot, juvenile judge and lawyer. 555 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: You can find her Ashley Wilcott dot com. Ashley, if 556 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: he asked someone to kill her, a jury is going 557 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 1: to have no mercy. That's not like they had an 558 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: argument and he pushed her and she fell and hit 559 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 1: her head. No, that is cold blood, as we say 560 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: in the law. Absolutely, it's still murder. Even if you 561 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: don't actually you know, you're not the one with the 562 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: weapon in your hand. If you instruct someone to do it, 563 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: you're still murdering that person, and a jury is going 564 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: to see that. Well. Murder for high or also is 565 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: the grounds to seek the death penalty. Karen Start, you're 566 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: the psychologist. Do you see a difference in the frame 567 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 1: of mind of an angry discussion you push somebody they 568 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,439 Speaker 1: father hit the head, or you pull out a gun 569 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: and shot in the midst of a quarrel, versus planning 570 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: months ahead of time to have someone murdered I do, Nancy, 571 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: and I think it's really important to point that out 572 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: because one is happening while you're in the heat of 573 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: emotion and juries. Do take that into account when you 574 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: can't really think as clearly as you might think in 575 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 1: a different situation, when something happens that you didn't intend 576 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: to have happened. The other is cold blooded murder. It's 577 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: being planned, it's very carefully worked out. It's someone who 578 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: has that mind where they're thinking, well, the best way 579 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: for me to deal with this is to kill the 580 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: person rather than separate from them. Just it gives them 581 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: pleasure to make sure that they get rid of the 582 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: person that they're with. They have no feelings. You know 583 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: this at Hill Private Investigator. I'm curious as to how 584 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,439 Speaker 1: police can absolutely know for certain that Phrasey never left 585 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: the jurisdiction of Colorado since the time Kelsey Barrett goes 586 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: missing because her phone turns up near uh In, Idaho, 587 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: near Twin Falls, that's where his girlfriend lives. So how 588 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 1: could they know for sure he never left Colorado? Well, Nancy, 589 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: they can't stay with one certainty, but what they can 590 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: checker things like credit card statements, see if he made 591 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: any gas purchases anywhere along that route. They can check 592 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: surveillance to see if he's caught at any gas stations 593 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: or any traffic cameras or anything like that. So they 594 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: can't do it with one certainty, but they can at 595 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,919 Speaker 1: least eliminate how certain they are. Artist should I say 596 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: that he did not leave the state? It just depends 597 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,919 Speaker 1: on if he was smart enough to like maybe take 598 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: out a large sum of cash and then not leave 599 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: a credit card trail. He definitely wouldn't have gotten on 600 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: an airplane because that's easily tracked. So there's things they 601 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: can do to make sure he was or was not there. 602 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: Right now, we know an Idaho woman possibly connected to 603 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: the death of a missing twenty nine year old mom, 604 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 1: Kelsey Bireth, was placed on administrative leave at the hospital 605 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: where she works at Twin Falls County. That's according to KKTV. 606 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,720 Speaker 1: We also know Saint Luke's Health system, where the woman 607 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: is a registered nurse, says she's on a leave of absence. 608 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: The hospital not responding to any questions. Now, what we 609 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 1: know is that she has apparently been involved with Patrick Frazy, 610 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: the so called killer fiance, for some time. He's charged 611 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: with two first degree murder counts under different theories. That 612 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: means the state doesn't necessarily have to prove how it 613 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: happened now. According to reports, Phrasey, he was a rancher, 614 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: met this divorced mother of two at a rodeo and 615 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: the two have been romantically involved for some time. What 616 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: charge could she possibly be looking at if he talked 617 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 1: her into getting rid of that cell phone accomplice? Take 618 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: a listen to Nikki Petisa CBS talking with Kelsey's mom. 619 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,839 Speaker 1: Apparently all of Kelsey's relatives believe the two were still 620 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: planning to get married. I couldn't believe no one had 621 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 1: heard from her by contacted police. That makes no sense 622 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: that we can't find her. Is she excited to get married? Yes, 623 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: I mean it's yeah, yeah, they had they had plans, 624 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: no date, but but plans she'd addressed yet. No, No, 625 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think she cared about the big 626 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,959 Speaker 1: wedding kind of thing. Yeah, it was between them and God. 627 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: Police say Phrasey is not a suspect and is cooperating 628 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,720 Speaker 1: with the investigation. In a statement, His lawyer said Phrasy 629 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: has given interviews to law enforcement, turned over his phone, 630 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: and provided cheek swabs and photographs. I'm hopeful that she'll 631 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: be found completely, one hundred percent safely. I know somebody 632 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: knows where she's at. We wait as justice sentols Nancy 633 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,