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Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talk with the top experts.
Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
Speaker 4: we're going to be speaking with physicist Ryan Wood. Ryan's
Speaker 4: a leading authority on the top secret classified Majestic twelve
Speaker 4: Intelligence Documents and the nineteen forty one Cape Girardo Missouri
Speaker 4: UFO Crash. He's written one of the most authoritative and
Speaker 4: comprehensive chronicles ever published on this subject of UFO crashes
Speaker 4: and military retrievals, the revised version of which just came
Speaker 4: out this year, which covers over one hundred different UFO
Speaker 4: crash retrieval cases. He is also the CEO of Electric
Speaker 4: Fusion Systems, which we'll ask him about as well, and
Speaker 4: I'm really really glad to have him on the show. Hi, Ryan, Welcome,
Speaker 4: Thanks Ron.
Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to the questions and sharing my insights
Speaker 5: with your audience.
Speaker 4: I was really glad to see that you put out
Speaker 4: a revised version of this book. It's such an important work,
Speaker 4: and that you're still involved in this topic. I know
Speaker 4: you kind of took a hiatus, if you will, in
Speaker 4: two thousand and five you released this incredibly comprehensive book,
Speaker 4: and now here we are twenty years later and you've
Speaker 4: released the revised version.
Speaker 5: Having lived with.
Speaker 4: This material for so long, and given that you've had
Speaker 4: more time to sit with it and maybe have some
Speaker 4: additional research, where do you sit now regarding the authenticity
Speaker 4: of these documents.
Speaker 5: The authenticity of the Majestic Documents has only gotten stronger
Speaker 5: as time goes on, because we hear more concerns or
Speaker 5: objections about the various documents. Each one is sort of
Speaker 5: treated in visually. I think get resolved. The authenticity is
Speaker 5: generally increased with time.
Speaker 4: Do you feel the same about the seven page MJ
Speaker 4: twelve document as you do about the other documents?
Speaker 5: Well, I think you're referring to the Eyes and Our
Speaker 5: Briefing document, their first leaked document in nineteen eighty four
Speaker 5: Jamie Chandray an LA producer, which Stan Friedman did a
Speaker 5: lot of research on, and actually my father got two
Speaker 5: more sources, different sources. The paper was different, some subtleties,
Speaker 5: content was the same, it was more marginalia. That's not
Speaker 5: really the most compelling of the Majestic twelve documents. In
Speaker 5: my mind, the most compelling is the Special Operations Manual
Speaker 5: Extraterrestrial Entities Technology Recovering Disposal, which was leaked in nineteen
Speaker 5: ninety four to Don Berliner, an Aviation Week reporter in Washington,
Speaker 5: d C. And that has undergone massive authenticity efforts. And
Speaker 5: you know, both my father and I are in the
Speaker 5: ninety nine point, you know, seven six range for for
Speaker 5: being totally credible and authentic, and that one's really arresting
Speaker 5: because it's like where do you ship the bodies? How
Speaker 5: do you recover the various parts? What's the cover story?
Speaker 5: What did the Type one and Type two extraterrestrial biological
Speaker 5: entities look like? What do you do? How do you
Speaker 5: cover it all up? It's a very much a field
Speaker 5: manual for Majestic Red Teams to deal with a crash.
Speaker 4: Well, even if that document, the Special Operations Manual, is legit,
Speaker 4: you know, it doesn't say that.
Speaker 5: We've recovered et craft.
Speaker 4: It really means that we're prepared for such an event
Speaker 4: and how to handle such an event, which I can
Speaker 4: imagine any government would and probably.
Speaker 5: Should be ready for. Right. Well, sort of you don't
Speaker 5: go to all the trouble of creating a manual and
Speaker 5: doing multiple revisions of the manual over the course several
Speaker 5: years from fifty four to fifty five two for no
Speaker 5: good reason. And it says clearly where to ship the parts,
Speaker 5: and it's pretty great annular. You know, material and clothing
Speaker 5: goes to write Patterson Blue Lab and power plants go
Speaker 5: to area fifty one S four and it's sort of
Speaker 5: broken down. It's it's if it was just sort of
Speaker 5: a general thing if we get crashed through retrieval stuff
Speaker 5: we get to send it off to one location to
Speaker 5: sort of think about it. It's too specific and think
Speaker 5: that it's a preparatory documents. It's more you know, how
Speaker 5: to manual.
Speaker 4: Interesting, Yeah, and they break down like specifically weapons go
Speaker 4: to this other area, and I think it's weapons and
Speaker 4: its propulsion and its craft and its bodies go to
Speaker 4: another place, which does add to the credibility of the document. Also,
Speaker 4: I have to admit, you know, both these documents have
Speaker 4: been all of these documents have been under a lot
Speaker 4: of scrutiny over the years, and you know this thirty
Speaker 4: five hundred pages is what we're talking about. This doesn't
Speaker 4: feel to me like the work of a hoaxer.
Speaker 5: I mean to what end?
Speaker 4: I mean it was over thirty years ago, when the
Speaker 4: UFO community was even smaller than it is today.
Speaker 5: Right, it just doesn't. I just don't feel like there's Yeah, no,
Speaker 5: I agree, Ron, it's a completely reasonable assessment. I mean,
Speaker 5: there are, as you said, thirty five hundred pages leaked
Speaker 5: over eighteen years from seven different sources, and some documents.
Speaker 5: People might say, oh, this is a yawn, I don't
Speaker 5: you know, no big deal. Others might be wow, you know,
Speaker 5: the special Operations Manual, or the White Hot Report, or
Speaker 5: the First Annual Report, things like that that are all
Speaker 5: on the Majesticdocuments dot com website, and many of them
Speaker 5: reproduced in my book Magic Eyes. Only some are far
Speaker 5: more interesting than others. As I said before.
Speaker 4: You know, it's thirty five hundred pages. There must be
Speaker 4: a lot of just mundane stuff in there too. It's
Speaker 4: not like there's whole thing is NonStop ufo E T
Speaker 4: ufo E T right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, for example, the Encyclopedia
Speaker 5: of Flying Saucers, which was a three hundred page document.
Speaker 5: It was the Air Force chapter was stamped top secret
Speaker 5: MJ twelve and actually my father produced it. Here is
Speaker 5: available on Amazon, and it's very interesting in that Vernon Bowen,
Speaker 5: the author, was a copywriter in New York City and
Speaker 5: he went to the New York Proper Library all the
Speaker 5: time and looked at all the various cases and wrote
Speaker 5: them up. So from pre nineteen sixty backward he had
Speaker 5: a very good compendium and a very well written book
Speaker 5: about this. But you know what makes that particular book
Speaker 5: interesting was that the Air Force chapter was stamped top secret.
Speaker 5: Magic and then there's notes by vanavar Bush and handwritten
Speaker 5: marginalia in pen and pencil. So what's interesting about that
Speaker 5: is is you can do forensic analysis on the pen
Speaker 5: and pencil, and we used specing forensic laboratories, which is
Speaker 5: you know, the third party high powered. Youah, the ink
Speaker 5: is old. The pencil mark SERTs from the seventies and
Speaker 5: that's a very interesting story. And how we got it
Speaker 5: in the first place after some thirty five years is
Speaker 5: also a story onto itself.
Speaker 4: Oh well, listen, Ryan, we're gonna have take quick break
Speaker 4: here and we'll come back and dive into that. And
Speaker 4: I also wanted to ask you about the stories of
Speaker 4: these retrievals and see how they match up with what's
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Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. We're
Speaker 4: talking to Ryan Wood about the crash retrievals and why
Speaker 4: don't you can you tell us briefly how you guys
Speaker 4: came into into possession of that.
Speaker 5: The Vernon Bowen Encyclopedia Flying Saucers was written by by
Speaker 5: Vernon Bowen and his son. Patrick Bowen remembers him typing it.
Speaker 5: I had the typewriter that he originally used and everything,
Speaker 5: and so that perfectly matched. He wrote it all up,
Speaker 5: and a good patriot that he was, he sent it
Speaker 5: to the Air Force for review and consideration or I'm
Speaker 5: not violently a national security or anything. I guess he
Speaker 5: was a very conservative Republican in Connecticut, and he never
Speaker 5: got it back, and he couldn't get it back, and
Speaker 5: then nineteen ninety four or so it was mailed back
Speaker 5: to Tim Cooper and Big Bear Lake. No cover letter,
Speaker 5: no nothing, just the document, So that's how we got it.
Speaker 5: That was unusual. So it went in and thirty five
Speaker 5: years later, thirty four years later it comes out, and
Speaker 5: that's odd. Now Fort Meade is a huge place. They
Speaker 5: have massive underground storage vaults. If you go to the
Speaker 5: Library of Congress Manuscript Division and you want some historical
Speaker 5: document they don't have. If they don't have it right
Speaker 5: there in downtown Washington, d C. They put a request
Speaker 5: into Fort meat where it goes and they get it
Speaker 5: from there, and then it gets transferred so you can
Speaker 5: look at it. That's sort of the background on where
Speaker 5: that particular original MJ twelve document came from.
Speaker 4: Listen, Ryan, as careful and skeptical as I am about
Speaker 4: these things, I don't think most people are just waiting
Speaker 4: to spend their time creating a hoax of this nature,
Speaker 4: especially these older cases. It was a different world back then.
Speaker 4: Information didn't go around the world in an instant like
Speaker 4: it does today, and there was just a different mindset
Speaker 4: in general. You guys have studied these documents and concluded
Speaker 4: on your own investigation that these are ninety nine percent accurate,
Speaker 4: Why then do they not get more credit?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, Well that's a great question. You know, it's
Speaker 5: it's a marketing problem. I mean, you basically have to,
Speaker 5: you know, advocate for them and for the various documents
Speaker 5: and their authenticity. And despite the fact that the Majestic
Speaker 5: Documents website has been up for I don't know, close
Speaker 5: to thirty years and or since the Internet started, while
Speaker 5: twenty five or so, it's it's my father and I
Speaker 5: that have been pushing them along, being the sort of
Speaker 5: public face of the Majestic Documents, and some people have
Speaker 5: latched on and pushed along. But it's, you know, it's
Speaker 5: it's marketing. I could make a huge slash, give me,
Speaker 5: give me a million dollars and we'll we'll make a
Speaker 5: lot of podcasts, We'll do a lot of marketing. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, I'll tell you.
Speaker 4: I think you guys deserve a lot of credit. I
Speaker 4: think I think there's these are like little heroes in
Speaker 4: our community that have really dedicated a lot of effort
Speaker 4: into preserving these things. And I do wish that they
Speaker 4: had more notoriety and credibility because I think it's valuable.
Speaker 4: Let me go back to that mein big question, Ryan,
Speaker 4: which is you've looked at so many of these cases
Speaker 4: does it seem to you, like the stories of crash
Speaker 4: retrievals and the cover ups, et cetera match what's written
Speaker 4: in that Special Operations Manual to you, like, do they
Speaker 4: seem to be following those protocols?
Speaker 5: Well, the document was written in fifty four, and so
Speaker 5: before then I think things were far more ad hoc.
Speaker 5: But it's yes, I think that's it's fair. The protocol
Speaker 5: on a crash retrieval is fairly universal. You want to
Speaker 5: secure the area, gather up all the materials, and then
Speaker 5: keep the public and all the witnesses away, and then
Speaker 5: take it as fast as possible to secure military locations
Speaker 5: and inform your commands. So I think that has not changed,
Speaker 5: you know since nineteen thirty three or nineteen forty one,
Speaker 5: or the la cases of forty two, or some of
Speaker 5: the cases in England in World War Two and onward.
Speaker 5: You know Roswell being sort of the exception, and that
Speaker 5: they did a press release talking about things and then
Speaker 5: retracted it. So I think the modus operande and the
Speaker 5: approach has been pretty similar and universal.
Speaker 4: So you see a consistency in the way these cases
Speaker 4: are handled, even if it's not right to that manual
Speaker 4: in fifty four. There is a consistent pattern of how
Speaker 4: they deal with these.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. There's a difference between a crash
Speaker 5: with biology, you know, ETS, and just a drone or
Speaker 5: sauser sheets that they can't get into which may have
Speaker 5: occupants inside it may not. So even in the Special
Speaker 5: Operations manual they talk about the red teams to secure
Speaker 5: the area and cart away materials, and then the OPNAC team,
Speaker 5: which is basically responsible for the biological aspects of handling
Speaker 5: the bodies, keeping things alive if they're alive, protocols for that,
Speaker 5: and that really formed out of the fact that in
Speaker 5: the Roswell case, we had all these Sandia Engineering District technicians,
Speaker 5: several that died a profuse bleeding of the nose and
Speaker 5: mouth and were hospitalized in some cases from contact with
Speaker 5: the ETS at Roswell. They know that, you know, you
Speaker 5: need a full asthma suit dealing with ETS.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, if you how comprehensive do
Speaker 4: you think this new compilation you've put together is you
Speaker 4: have over one hundred cases in there. Do you think
Speaker 4: there's many more out there that we're so well covered
Speaker 4: up that you don't even know about them? Or do
Speaker 4: you think we're pretty much know what's what's why. Well,
Speaker 4: that's a great question. Ron He answers one hundred and
Speaker 4: four in the current edition of Magic Eyes only. I
Speaker 4: left like another three or four on my desk because
Speaker 4: they just wanted to get the book done. And I'm
Speaker 4: under reporting surely because I'm you know, scavenging the research
Speaker 4: of English speaking worlds, you know, Europe, US, Australia, UK,
Speaker 4: and not doing a good job in Russia or China
Speaker 4: or Latin America or Africa or parts of Southeast Asia.
Speaker 4: So I'm sure that there are a lot more events.
Speaker 4: If I was to pick a number, I'd probably say
Speaker 4: this a couple hundred, maybe as many as two hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty that have been you know, recovered. So that's
Speaker 4: that's sort of my you know, seat of the pants estimates.
Speaker 4: That's a very interesting guest. Two hundred and fifty and
Speaker 4: you're talking about a period of one hundred and twenty
Speaker 4: five years correct.
Speaker 5: Well since eighteen ninety seven, which is the first one
Speaker 5: really in.
Speaker 4: The book, almost exactly one hundred and twenty five years then, yeah,
Speaker 4: exactly twenty ex yeah, okay, and they they tend to.
Speaker 5: Go more for atomic oriented locations. There was a huge
Speaker 5: wave in forty seven when we exploded did a lot
Speaker 5: more atomic testing, and they tend to go to radioactive environments,
Speaker 5: be it missile silos in Montana or Oak Ridge plutonium
Speaker 5: enrichment plants, And the same is virtually true probably in
Speaker 5: Russia and in other countries.
Speaker 4: Which stands to reason and makes logical sense to me
Speaker 4: that if there were another civilization coming here, that that's
Speaker 4: what they would be interested in. That makes sense to me.
Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to talk to Ryan more.
Speaker 4: He actually rates each of these cases and gives them
Speaker 4: an authenticity number, not a number, but a rating, so
Speaker 4: we can kind of compare one to another. When we
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Speaker 4: Okay, we're back with Ryan Wood on Beyond Contact. Ryan,
Speaker 4: you rate each of these cases in your book based
Speaker 4: on the strength of their authenticity. What do you think
Speaker 4: are the top one or two cases that you feel
Speaker 4: are the most authentic and you can really point to
Speaker 4: that illustrate.
Speaker 5: That this is a reality. Yeah. Well, I'll give you
Speaker 5: a quick answer, and then I want to backtrack for
Speaker 5: a second. I mean, Roswell naturally stood the test of time,
Speaker 5: and a lot of I mean, I like Shaghar Kecksburg,
Speaker 5: Cape Girardo. There's seven or eight that are in what
Speaker 5: I consider the high authenticity rating. And so the way
Speaker 5: I go about this authenticity rating criteria is you look
Speaker 5: for physical evidence. You look for eyewitnesses, you look for
Speaker 5: official government documents, you look for corroborating witnesses, any sort
Speaker 5: of physical traces. So you have those aspects you look
Speaker 5: for if it's a document, anachronisms that have been resolved
Speaker 5: and in Magicized only the book, there's a four or
Speaker 5: five pages that discuss the methodology to analyze a particular
Speaker 5: case and how it gets the score that it gets,
Speaker 5: and and a waiting factor, and so there's there's waiting
Speaker 5: factors also for you know, you give higher waiting factor
Speaker 5: to physical evidence and you give less waiting factor to
Speaker 5: eye witness testimony. It's just like a murder trial it's
Speaker 5: the same approach.
Speaker 4: I suppose the cases that have more witnesses would be stronger.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, they would, And Roswell is a great example
Speaker 5: of that, where you have a lot of witnesses for that,
Speaker 5: But then again you have the occasional zinger like Kaufman,
Speaker 5: which was widely believed to be true, but then with
Speaker 5: further research by Kevin Randall, it's the guy's bogus that
Speaker 5: often happens. Like one of the crashes we downgraded, I
Speaker 5: think it was the Trinity Crash despite the work of
Speaker 5: Valet and Lyn, Paula Harris and others. I downgraded it
Speaker 5: from I think medium to medium low because of the
Speaker 5: work of Doug Johnson and the detailed analysis. The thing
Speaker 5: to remember is that you know I'm not the wizard
Speaker 5: for all these crash cases. Is that I leverage all
Speaker 5: the other experts that have been doing a lot of
Speaker 5: research and try to give people a good snapshot of
Speaker 5: a case and its references, and people can dig further
Speaker 5: if they want. It sounds like it's.
Speaker 4: Almost like your book is sort of a living, breathing
Speaker 4: document that evolves over time. Maybe other witnesses come forward,
Speaker 4: maybe a new piece of evidence comes to light and
Speaker 4: that would strengthen a case, and then, like you said,
Speaker 4: this other guy gets found as maybe a bogus witness
Speaker 4: or something, and then that would lower the credibility of
Speaker 4: that case.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely correct, Ron, I mean that's you want to
Speaker 5: stay in touch with the people that are doing the
Speaker 5: fundamental research or done a lot of the research in
Speaker 5: various cases. And that's one of the reasons why I'm
Speaker 5: excited about going to the contact in the desert is
Speaker 5: to catch up with so many of these researchers that
Speaker 5: I've been familiar with that attended the crash Retrieval conferences
Speaker 5: of two thousand and three to two thousand and eight,
Speaker 5: I think or not.
Speaker 4: And you know who was responsible for the crash retrieval conferences.
Speaker 4: I think those were in Las Vegas, weren't they where
Speaker 4: I was. You were the man responsible for those, That's.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I before, you know, eighteen years twenty years
Speaker 5: before Grush ever showed up in front of Congress. I
Speaker 5: and many of the other you know now stalwarts of upology,
Speaker 5: Linda Howe and Rich Dolan and Michael Schratt and Travis
Speaker 5: Walton and Stan Friedman and my father, doctor Bob Wood,
Speaker 5: and so Forth, Michael Sala, and they all came and
Speaker 5: gave presentations many times, multiple times over the years, all
Speaker 5: about the crash retrieval aspects in different aspects. And this
Speaker 5: whole thing grew out of my frustration, personal frustration of
Speaker 5: going to New fond conferences where nobody was talking about
Speaker 5: juicy stuff. That's what I wanted to see. It's about
Speaker 5: documents and crashes. It's hard where it's proof. As much
Speaker 5: as I am excited about what contactees have to say
Speaker 5: and so forth, lights in the sky and things like that,
Speaker 5: it was to me that was a sidebar. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that's why you're a great fit for a
Speaker 4: contact in the desert person, because you are interested into
Speaker 4: in the physical evidence and the credibility of these cases
Speaker 4: and what physical evidence is there and what documents support
Speaker 4: this case in that case. And I think that's really
Speaker 4: a nice match.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 4: So what about the idea of people struggling. You know
Speaker 4: that there's this technology, they have the technology to travel
Speaker 4: across dimensions or vast distances of space, and then they
Speaker 4: get here and they crash. What do you what about that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great questions. The classic question actually I
Speaker 5: think it was the senator from or the representative from
Speaker 5: Missouri that highlighted that. You know, the hearings, it's like,
Speaker 5: how can these advanced civilizations travel across the world then
Speaker 5: crash on our pode on planet. I mean, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 5: So there's multiple answers to it. You know, as Grush said,
Speaker 5: you know a certain percentage of missions and admission failure,
Speaker 5: so you know you can have things that accidentally happen.
Speaker 5: I mean, then there's natural things like a good negative
Speaker 5: lightning bolt, which is ten x bigger than a traditional
Speaker 5: lightning bolt, could interfere with things. I mean, there's the
Speaker 5: testimony of Corso about radar and you know, turn off
Speaker 5: your radar so I can take my craft off or
Speaker 5: radar interference. And then there's the nineteen forty two Los
Speaker 5: Angeles air raid where they shot off all these proximity
Speaker 5: FEUs artillery shells that may interfere or damage or hurt
Speaker 5: the navigation. Then there's you can't discount the deliberate seating
Speaker 5: of Kindergarten emerging planets. You know, they they say, well,
Speaker 5: we've seen this movie a thousand times before, the way
Speaker 5: you fix this planet and have them join our galactic
Speaker 5: civilization in a few hundred years. Is you see them
Speaker 5: with a little bit of technology, and then they work
Speaker 5: hard to figure it out and they grow or they transform,
Speaker 5: and then you can't discount the basic one. And these
Speaker 5: things are disposable biological drones or combo biological taalic and
Speaker 5: we don't pick them up. You know, the drones that
Speaker 5: get shot down in Ukraine are left as fodder. And
Speaker 5: then maybe the final thing is that we we value
Speaker 5: as human beings, we value human life. You know, we
Speaker 5: rescue our people and take them to the hospital, and
Speaker 5: we try to recover our soldiers. But the ets may
Speaker 5: have a totally different attitude, is that they're just completely disposable.
Speaker 5: They're just like uh, you know, metal bolts and screws.
Speaker 5: You know, they did their job right.
Speaker 4: They may they may feel that way about the beings
Speaker 4: that are in these craft, and they may feel that
Speaker 4: way about the craft. Like you said, they may be
Speaker 4: like we've sent probes, we've crashed probes into planets to
Speaker 4: get data back.
Speaker 5: Right, It's the exact same thing, absolutely, my Ron.
Speaker 4: One more thing I would comment on that is that
Speaker 4: you know, once again we need to keep in mind
Speaker 4: that we're dealing with an unknown if in fact they
Speaker 4: are coming here. We don't know the volume of craft
Speaker 4: coming Based on your research, we can guestimate I think
Speaker 4: you said two hundred and fifty and that's in the
Speaker 4: last one hundred and twenty five years, so we're right
Speaker 4: about two a year crash. Well, if there's four a
Speaker 4: year coming here, that's a fifty percent crash rate. But
Speaker 4: if there's maybe thousand craft coming here, or two thousand
Speaker 4: craft a year coming here, we're talking about a point
Speaker 4: one percent crash rate, so it might not be so hi.
Speaker 4: We just don't know. It's also speculative, so we really
Speaker 4: can't speak to it because we don't know that number.
Speaker 5: It's an unknown. Interesting to talk about though.
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Speaker 4: Another question I wanted to ask you about this was
Speaker 4: Project Moondust, which caught other miscellaneous debris which could possibly
Speaker 4: be from an ET craft.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Moondust, that's another code word that Project Moondust. I
Speaker 5: think Kevin Randall wrote a book called Moondust, and there's
Speaker 5: several of the documents that have been leaked at our
Speaker 5: Moondust are actually officially released from the State Department through
Speaker 5: a Freedom Information Act FOYA. Most of it. You know,
Speaker 5: in general, the overall principle is you want to recover
Speaker 5: Soviet space stuff for other foreign countries space debris. But
Speaker 5: a certain percentage of the time the retrieval teams get
Speaker 5: to the crash or the debris and it's e T
Speaker 5: or something special, and so they spirited off to write
Speaker 5: Patterson Air Force Base or to the appropriate location. So
Speaker 5: most of the work of Moondust and Moondust project officers
Speaker 5: is sort of pedestrian, but a certain percentage of them
Speaker 5: are et craft and there's several cases in the book
Speaker 5: Bolivia case, I believe that this origin point is a
Speaker 5: Moondust document. And actually, you know, with this latest law
Speaker 5: that was passed by Congress, the National Archives has to
Speaker 5: do some level of effort. It's unclear how enthusiastic they
Speaker 5: are to produce UFO related documents and post them with
Speaker 5: the website. And actually I went there, I don't know,
Speaker 5: a month ago and typed in Moondust. Sure enough, Wow,
Speaker 5: there's two or three documents that say, you know, the
Speaker 5: project Moondust officers had to do a certain chore, or
Speaker 5: they had names and so forth. And I thought to myself, wow,
Speaker 5: I didn't know that. Actually I knew when Moondust was
Speaker 5: a program. I didn't know that there was individual people
Speaker 5: that maybe had that clearance or focused on that clearance.
Speaker 5: And that would be interesting to write to the National
Speaker 5: Archives and say, well, okay, give me the list of
Speaker 5: all the Moondust project officers, or where the Moondust historic
Speaker 5: files or you know who authorized it. You know, I
Speaker 5: need more data, so I may do that.
Speaker 4: You're talking about the National archives here, and that's fascinating stuff.
Speaker 4: I've heard you mentioned before that there may be a
Speaker 4: lot of evidence regarding our government's involvement in this right
Speaker 4: inside the National Archives that point to possible evidence of
Speaker 4: ET craft and retrievals. No one's really shown much interest
Speaker 4: in this in the past, and now Ryan, we have
Speaker 4: a UAP caucus who might actually get behind such a move.
Speaker 4: What about a campaign We're reaching out to someone like
Speaker 4: a timber shut to pull together a research team to
Speaker 4: scour these archives and compile what they can find.
Speaker 5: That's a great idea, Ron, I'm all for it. I mean,
Speaker 5: as somebody who's probably spent on the order of a
Speaker 5: month at the National Archives and multiple trips both in
Speaker 5: College Park, Maryland and downtown Washington, d C. I know
Speaker 5: where to look based on the majestic documents. But it's
Speaker 5: a long and tedious effort. To do an effective job
Speaker 5: of pulling evidence out of the National Archives. You need
Speaker 5: a two to three man team working for several months,
Speaker 5: and you'll get a variety of of low level data.
Speaker 5: Sometimes I've gotten exciting things. I got a document from
Speaker 5: from Blount to Robley Evans, you know, a military officer
Speaker 5: to an MIT professor talking about a top secret report
Speaker 5: about a crashed Mexican disc and so that was right
Speaker 5: out of the National Archives. So that's pretty juicy. There's
Speaker 5: some other documents that are stamped top secret CIA m
Speaker 5: J twelve, and then there's the National Security Council Color
Speaker 5: Twining Memo, which is, you know, a top secret MJ twelve.
Speaker 5: So there's a few little remnants of things that are
Speaker 5: stamped that way. But the other thing you need really
Speaker 5: is the ability to push on the declassification process. You
Speaker 5: can find it and then may be withdrawal slip that
Speaker 5: says up, you can't have it, we haven't declassified it.
Speaker 5: And so now you need timber shit and others to
Speaker 5: set up a priority declassification review to not be in
Speaker 5: the queue. Like, for example, I identified several people that
Speaker 5: I want their FBI files with and you know, we
Speaker 5: got in the queue with the National Archives and they said, well,
Speaker 5: because it's under four hundred pages that you want, we're
Speaker 5: pegging you with thirty nine months to respond. Good, thirty
Speaker 5: nine months gee, And well if it was over two
Speaker 5: thousand pages, it was like over sixty months. Oh my god,
Speaker 5: you know exactly, and let alone my request that for
Speaker 5: expedited review. So it's they're understaffed, under resourced.
Speaker 4: I would look at guy like timber Shatter, one of
Speaker 4: these other guys in the UAP caucus might be interested
Speaker 4: in throwing you're working some funds for this. Yeah, i'd
Speaker 4: be the classification for I could see it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it makes great sense.
Speaker 4: And this the first time in our history. I think
Speaker 4: we actually have a shot at that. I don't remember
Speaker 4: politicians being so open about this topic. Ever, you're right.
Speaker 5: And furthermore that the bad guys, the MJ twelve control
Speaker 5: group people would want to thwart your effort. Don't know.
Speaker 5: They don't have a clue. They don't understand how massive
Speaker 5: the National Archives is involved. Six point thirty one is. Now.
Speaker 5: They've done their best in time to scour up all
Speaker 5: the primary evidence, but there's all sorts of remnant that's there.
Speaker 5: In my mind, one of the great paths to disclosure
Speaker 5: is pulling an authentic document out of the National Archives,
Speaker 5: and you can make a lot of hay with that.
Speaker 5: Now they may say, ah, yeah, that's so old, we've
Speaker 5: forgotten everything in fifty four or forty seven, and to
Speaker 5: cover it up and so forth.
Speaker 4: It would have more credibility than these quote unquote leaked
Speaker 4: documents with though, because it's coming out of the National
Speaker 4: Archive exactly. Yeah, and that this is your document you
Speaker 4: just said so right right.
Speaker 5: And speaking of that, I'm working on another book called
Speaker 5: UFOs Who Knows question Mark, And it's famous quotations from
Speaker 5: people both astronauts, military scientists, and engineers, religious leaders, celebrities,
Speaker 5: government presidents. So there's a huge I mean, you've highlighted
Speaker 5: one of the key problems of ufology credibility. There's funding
Speaker 5: of because we're totally underfunded, and there's leadership and everybody
Speaker 5: does what they can to lead the cause forward. And
Speaker 5: that's those are the three challenges for us.
Speaker 4: Well, I love this quote idea. This quote book is
Speaker 4: really a great idea. You know, there's a lot of
Speaker 4: physicists that say incredible things like playing saying that consciousness
Speaker 4: is fundamental. Things like that could tie right into what
Speaker 4: you're writing about. I think that's a really really cool
Speaker 4: idea for a book. I think we're going to have
Speaker 4: to stop there, Ryan, as we're out of time, Please
Speaker 4: check out Ryan's site Majesticdocuments dot com, where much of
Speaker 4: this material is archive. Ryan Number one Thank you for
Speaker 4: coming on today. I really really appreciate it. I enjoyed
Speaker 4: this number two. Thank you for your incredible work of
Speaker 4: taking the time to archive this important document for all
Speaker 4: of us. I think it makes a difference and I
Speaker 4: think it's a great resource for any of us in
Speaker 4: this field. So I appreciate that, and thanks all of
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