1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Captain Ron. 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions only, 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast to 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: Coast AM, employees of premier Networks, or their sponsors and associates. 9 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: We would like to encourage you to do your own 10 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact, 12 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of 13 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from 14 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talk with the top experts. 15 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today 16 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 4: we're going to be speaking with physicist Ryan Wood. Ryan's 17 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 4: a leading authority on the top secret classified Majestic twelve 18 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 4: Intelligence Documents and the nineteen forty one Cape Girardo Missouri 19 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 4: UFO Crash. He's written one of the most authoritative and 20 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 4: comprehensive chronicles ever published on this subject of UFO crashes 21 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 4: and military retrievals, the revised version of which just came 22 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 4: out this year, which covers over one hundred different UFO 23 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 4: crash retrieval cases. He is also the CEO of Electric 24 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 4: Fusion Systems, which we'll ask him about as well, and 25 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 4: I'm really really glad to have him on the show. Hi, Ryan, Welcome, 26 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 4: Thanks Ron. 27 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to the questions and sharing my insights 28 00:01:58,720 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 5: with your audience. 29 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 4: I was really glad to see that you put out 30 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 4: a revised version of this book. It's such an important work, 31 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 4: and that you're still involved in this topic. I know 32 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 4: you kind of took a hiatus, if you will, in 33 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 4: two thousand and five you released this incredibly comprehensive book, 34 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 4: and now here we are twenty years later and you've 35 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 4: released the revised version. 36 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 5: Having lived with. 37 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 4: This material for so long, and given that you've had 38 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 4: more time to sit with it and maybe have some 39 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 4: additional research, where do you sit now regarding the authenticity 40 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 4: of these documents. 41 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 5: The authenticity of the Majestic Documents has only gotten stronger 42 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 5: as time goes on, because we hear more concerns or 43 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 5: objections about the various documents. Each one is sort of 44 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 5: treated in visually. I think get resolved. The authenticity is 45 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 5: generally increased with time. 46 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 4: Do you feel the same about the seven page MJ 47 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 4: twelve document as you do about the other documents? 48 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 5: Well, I think you're referring to the Eyes and Our 49 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 5: Briefing document, their first leaked document in nineteen eighty four 50 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 5: Jamie Chandray an LA producer, which Stan Friedman did a 51 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 5: lot of research on, and actually my father got two 52 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 5: more sources, different sources. The paper was different, some subtleties, 53 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 5: content was the same, it was more marginalia. That's not 54 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 5: really the most compelling of the Majestic twelve documents. In 55 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 5: my mind, the most compelling is the Special Operations Manual 56 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 5: Extraterrestrial Entities Technology Recovering Disposal, which was leaked in nineteen 57 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 5: ninety four to Don Berliner, an Aviation Week reporter in Washington, 58 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 5: d C. And that has undergone massive authenticity efforts. And 59 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 5: you know, both my father and I are in the 60 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 5: ninety nine point, you know, seven six range for for 61 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 5: being totally credible and authentic, and that one's really arresting 62 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 5: because it's like where do you ship the bodies? How 63 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 5: do you recover the various parts? What's the cover story? 64 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 5: What did the Type one and Type two extraterrestrial biological 65 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 5: entities look like? What do you do? How do you 66 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 5: cover it all up? It's a very much a field 67 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 5: manual for Majestic Red Teams to deal with a crash. 68 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 4: Well, even if that document, the Special Operations Manual, is legit, 69 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 4: you know, it doesn't say that. 70 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 5: We've recovered et craft. 71 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 4: It really means that we're prepared for such an event 72 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 4: and how to handle such an event, which I can 73 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 4: imagine any government would and probably. 74 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 5: Should be ready for. Right. Well, sort of you don't 75 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 5: go to all the trouble of creating a manual and 76 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 5: doing multiple revisions of the manual over the course several 77 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 5: years from fifty four to fifty five two for no 78 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 5: good reason. And it says clearly where to ship the parts, 79 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 5: and it's pretty great annular. You know, material and clothing 80 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 5: goes to write Patterson Blue Lab and power plants go 81 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 5: to area fifty one S four and it's sort of 82 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 5: broken down. It's it's if it was just sort of 83 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 5: a general thing if we get crashed through retrieval stuff 84 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 5: we get to send it off to one location to 85 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,679 Speaker 5: sort of think about it. It's too specific and think 86 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 5: that it's a preparatory documents. It's more you know, how 87 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 5: to manual. 88 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 4: Interesting, Yeah, and they break down like specifically weapons go 89 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 4: to this other area, and I think it's weapons and 90 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 4: its propulsion and its craft and its bodies go to 91 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 4: another place, which does add to the credibility of the document. Also, 92 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 4: I have to admit, you know, both these documents have 93 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 4: been all of these documents have been under a lot 94 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 4: of scrutiny over the years, and you know this thirty 95 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 4: five hundred pages is what we're talking about. This doesn't 96 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,799 Speaker 4: feel to me like the work of a hoaxer. 97 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 5: I mean to what end? 98 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 4: I mean it was over thirty years ago, when the 99 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 4: UFO community was even smaller than it is today. 100 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 5: Right, it just doesn't. I just don't feel like there's Yeah, no, 101 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 5: I agree, Ron, it's a completely reasonable assessment. I mean, 102 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 5: there are, as you said, thirty five hundred pages leaked 103 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 5: over eighteen years from seven different sources, and some documents. 104 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 5: People might say, oh, this is a yawn, I don't 105 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 5: you know, no big deal. Others might be wow, you know, 106 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 5: the special Operations Manual, or the White Hot Report, or 107 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 5: the First Annual Report, things like that that are all 108 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 5: on the Majesticdocuments dot com website, and many of them 109 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 5: reproduced in my book Magic Eyes. Only some are far 110 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 5: more interesting than others. As I said before. 111 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 4: You know, it's thirty five hundred pages. There must be 112 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 4: a lot of just mundane stuff in there too. It's 113 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 4: not like there's whole thing is NonStop ufo E T 114 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 4: ufo E T right. 115 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, for example, the Encyclopedia 116 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 5: of Flying Saucers, which was a three hundred page document. 117 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 5: It was the Air Force chapter was stamped top secret 118 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 5: MJ twelve and actually my father produced it. Here is 119 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 5: available on Amazon, and it's very interesting in that Vernon Bowen, 120 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 5: the author, was a copywriter in New York City and 121 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 5: he went to the New York Proper Library all the 122 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 5: time and looked at all the various cases and wrote 123 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 5: them up. So from pre nineteen sixty backward he had 124 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 5: a very good compendium and a very well written book 125 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 5: about this. But you know what makes that particular book 126 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,679 Speaker 5: interesting was that the Air Force chapter was stamped top secret. 127 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 5: Magic and then there's notes by vanavar Bush and handwritten 128 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 5: marginalia in pen and pencil. So what's interesting about that 129 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 5: is is you can do forensic analysis on the pen 130 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 5: and pencil, and we used specing forensic laboratories, which is 131 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 5: you know, the third party high powered. Youah, the ink 132 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 5: is old. The pencil mark SERTs from the seventies and 133 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 5: that's a very interesting story. And how we got it 134 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 5: in the first place after some thirty five years is 135 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 5: also a story onto itself. 136 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 4: Oh well, listen, Ryan, we're gonna have take quick break 137 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 4: here and we'll come back and dive into that. And 138 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 4: I also wanted to ask you about the stories of 139 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 4: these retrievals and see how they match up with what's 140 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 4: written in that Special Operations manual. 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Keep it here on the iHeartRadio on 173 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 174 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. We're 175 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 4: talking to Ryan Wood about the crash retrievals and why 176 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 4: don't you can you tell us briefly how you guys 177 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 4: came into into possession of that. 178 00:10:55,040 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 5: The Vernon Bowen Encyclopedia Flying Saucers was written by by 179 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 5: Vernon Bowen and his son. Patrick Bowen remembers him typing it. 180 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 5: I had the typewriter that he originally used and everything, 181 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 5: and so that perfectly matched. He wrote it all up, 182 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 5: and a good patriot that he was, he sent it 183 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 5: to the Air Force for review and consideration or I'm 184 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 5: not violently a national security or anything. I guess he 185 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 5: was a very conservative Republican in Connecticut, and he never 186 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 5: got it back, and he couldn't get it back, and 187 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 5: then nineteen ninety four or so it was mailed back 188 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 5: to Tim Cooper and Big Bear Lake. No cover letter, 189 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 5: no nothing, just the document, So that's how we got it. 190 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 5: That was unusual. So it went in and thirty five 191 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 5: years later, thirty four years later it comes out, and 192 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 5: that's odd. Now Fort Meade is a huge place. They 193 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 5: have massive underground storage vaults. If you go to the 194 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 5: Library of Congress Manuscript Division and you want some historical 195 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 5: document they don't have. If they don't have it right 196 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 5: there in downtown Washington, d C. They put a request 197 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 5: into Fort meat where it goes and they get it 198 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 5: from there, and then it gets transferred so you can 199 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 5: look at it. That's sort of the background on where 200 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 5: that particular original MJ twelve document came from. 201 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 4: Listen, Ryan, as careful and skeptical as I am about 202 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 4: these things, I don't think most people are just waiting 203 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 4: to spend their time creating a hoax of this nature, 204 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 4: especially these older cases. It was a different world back then. 205 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 4: Information didn't go around the world in an instant like 206 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,599 Speaker 4: it does today, and there was just a different mindset 207 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 4: in general. You guys have studied these documents and concluded 208 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 4: on your own investigation that these are ninety nine percent accurate, 209 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 4: Why then do they not get more credit? 210 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, Well that's a great question. You know, it's 211 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 5: it's a marketing problem. I mean, you basically have to, 212 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 5: you know, advocate for them and for the various documents 213 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 5: and their authenticity. And despite the fact that the Majestic 214 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 5: Documents website has been up for I don't know, close 215 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 5: to thirty years and or since the Internet started, while 216 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 5: twenty five or so, it's it's my father and I 217 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 5: that have been pushing them along, being the sort of 218 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 5: public face of the Majestic Documents, and some people have 219 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 5: latched on and pushed along. But it's, you know, it's 220 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 5: it's marketing. I could make a huge slash, give me, 221 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 5: give me a million dollars and we'll we'll make a 222 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 5: lot of podcasts, We'll do a lot of marketing. You know. Yeah, 223 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 5: you know, I'll tell you. 224 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 4: I think you guys deserve a lot of credit. I 225 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 4: think I think there's these are like little heroes in 226 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 4: our community that have really dedicated a lot of effort 227 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 4: into preserving these things. And I do wish that they 228 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 4: had more notoriety and credibility because I think it's valuable. 229 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 4: Let me go back to that mein big question, Ryan, 230 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 4: which is you've looked at so many of these cases 231 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 4: does it seem to you, like the stories of crash 232 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 4: retrievals and the cover ups, et cetera match what's written 233 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 4: in that Special Operations Manual to you, like, do they 234 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 4: seem to be following those protocols? 235 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 5: Well, the document was written in fifty four, and so 236 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 5: before then I think things were far more ad hoc. 237 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 5: But it's yes, I think that's it's fair. The protocol 238 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 5: on a crash retrieval is fairly universal. You want to 239 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 5: secure the area, gather up all the materials, and then 240 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 5: keep the public and all the witnesses away, and then 241 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 5: take it as fast as possible to secure military locations 242 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 5: and inform your commands. So I think that has not changed, 243 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 5: you know since nineteen thirty three or nineteen forty one, 244 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 5: or the la cases of forty two, or some of 245 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 5: the cases in England in World War Two and onward. 246 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 5: You know Roswell being sort of the exception, and that 247 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 5: they did a press release talking about things and then 248 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 5: retracted it. So I think the modus operande and the 249 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 5: approach has been pretty similar and universal. 250 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 4: So you see a consistency in the way these cases 251 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 4: are handled, even if it's not right to that manual 252 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 4: in fifty four. There is a consistent pattern of how 253 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 4: they deal with these. 254 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. There's a difference between a crash 255 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 5: with biology, you know, ETS, and just a drone or 256 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 5: sauser sheets that they can't get into which may have 257 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 5: occupants inside it may not. So even in the Special 258 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 5: Operations manual they talk about the red teams to secure 259 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 5: the area and cart away materials, and then the OPNAC team, 260 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 5: which is basically responsible for the biological aspects of handling 261 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 5: the bodies, keeping things alive if they're alive, protocols for that, 262 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 5: and that really formed out of the fact that in 263 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 5: the Roswell case, we had all these Sandia Engineering District technicians, 264 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 5: several that died a profuse bleeding of the nose and 265 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 5: mouth and were hospitalized in some cases from contact with 266 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 5: the ETS at Roswell. They know that, you know, you 267 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 5: need a full asthma suit dealing with ETS. 268 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, if you how comprehensive do 269 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 4: you think this new compilation you've put together is you 270 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 4: have over one hundred cases in there. Do you think 271 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 4: there's many more out there that we're so well covered 272 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 4: up that you don't even know about them? Or do 273 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 4: you think we're pretty much know what's what's why. Well, 274 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 4: that's a great question. Ron He answers one hundred and 275 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 4: four in the current edition of Magic Eyes only. I 276 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 4: left like another three or four on my desk because 277 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 4: they just wanted to get the book done. And I'm 278 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 4: under reporting surely because I'm you know, scavenging the research 279 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 4: of English speaking worlds, you know, Europe, US, Australia, UK, 280 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 4: and not doing a good job in Russia or China 281 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 4: or Latin America or Africa or parts of Southeast Asia. 282 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 4: So I'm sure that there are a lot more events. 283 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 4: If I was to pick a number, I'd probably say 284 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 4: this a couple hundred, maybe as many as two hundred 285 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 4: and fifty that have been you know, recovered. So that's 286 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 4: that's sort of my you know, seat of the pants estimates. 287 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 4: That's a very interesting guest. Two hundred and fifty and 288 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 4: you're talking about a period of one hundred and twenty 289 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 4: five years correct. 290 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 5: Well since eighteen ninety seven, which is the first one 291 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 5: really in. 292 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 4: The book, almost exactly one hundred and twenty five years then, yeah, 293 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 4: exactly twenty ex yeah, okay, and they they tend to. 294 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 5: Go more for atomic oriented locations. There was a huge 295 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,239 Speaker 5: wave in forty seven when we exploded did a lot 296 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 5: more atomic testing, and they tend to go to radioactive environments, 297 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 5: be it missile silos in Montana or Oak Ridge plutonium 298 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 5: enrichment plants, And the same is virtually true probably in 299 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 5: Russia and in other countries. 300 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 4: Which stands to reason and makes logical sense to me 301 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 4: that if there were another civilization coming here, that that's 302 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 4: what they would be interested in. That makes sense to me. 303 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to talk to Ryan more. 304 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 4: He actually rates each of these cases and gives them 305 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 4: an authenticity number, not a number, but a rating, so 306 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 4: we can kind of compare one to another. When we 307 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 4: come back, we'll talk to Ryan further about that. 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What do you think 336 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 4: are the top one or two cases that you feel 337 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 4: are the most authentic and you can really point to 338 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 4: that illustrate. 339 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 5: That this is a reality. Yeah. Well, I'll give you 340 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 5: a quick answer, and then I want to backtrack for 341 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 5: a second. I mean, Roswell naturally stood the test of time, 342 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 5: and a lot of I mean, I like Shaghar Kecksburg, 343 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 5: Cape Girardo. There's seven or eight that are in what 344 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 5: I consider the high authenticity rating. And so the way 345 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 5: I go about this authenticity rating criteria is you look 346 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,719 Speaker 5: for physical evidence. You look for eyewitnesses, you look for 347 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 5: official government documents, you look for corroborating witnesses, any sort 348 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 5: of physical traces. So you have those aspects you look 349 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 5: for if it's a document, anachronisms that have been resolved 350 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 5: and in Magicized only the book, there's a four or 351 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 5: five pages that discuss the methodology to analyze a particular 352 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 5: case and how it gets the score that it gets, 353 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 5: and and a waiting factor, and so there's there's waiting 354 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 5: factors also for you know, you give higher waiting factor 355 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 5: to physical evidence and you give less waiting factor to 356 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 5: eye witness testimony. It's just like a murder trial it's 357 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 5: the same approach. 358 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 4: I suppose the cases that have more witnesses would be stronger. 359 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, right, they would, And Roswell is a great example 360 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 5: of that, where you have a lot of witnesses for that, 361 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 5: But then again you have the occasional zinger like Kaufman, 362 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 5: which was widely believed to be true, but then with 363 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 5: further research by Kevin Randall, it's the guy's bogus that 364 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 5: often happens. Like one of the crashes we downgraded, I 365 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 5: think it was the Trinity Crash despite the work of 366 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 5: Valet and Lyn, Paula Harris and others. I downgraded it 367 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 5: from I think medium to medium low because of the 368 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 5: work of Doug Johnson and the detailed analysis. The thing 369 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 5: to remember is that you know I'm not the wizard 370 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 5: for all these crash cases. Is that I leverage all 371 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 5: the other experts that have been doing a lot of 372 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 5: research and try to give people a good snapshot of 373 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 5: a case and its references, and people can dig further 374 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 5: if they want. It sounds like it's. 375 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 4: Almost like your book is sort of a living, breathing 376 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 4: document that evolves over time. Maybe other witnesses come forward, 377 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 4: maybe a new piece of evidence comes to light and 378 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 4: that would strengthen a case, and then, like you said, 379 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 4: this other guy gets found as maybe a bogus witness 380 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 4: or something, and then that would lower the credibility of 381 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 4: that case. 382 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely correct, Ron, I mean that's you want to 383 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 5: stay in touch with the people that are doing the 384 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 5: fundamental research or done a lot of the research in 385 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 5: various cases. And that's one of the reasons why I'm 386 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 5: excited about going to the contact in the desert is 387 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 5: to catch up with so many of these researchers that 388 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 5: I've been familiar with that attended the crash Retrieval conferences 389 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 5: of two thousand and three to two thousand and eight, 390 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 5: I think or not. 391 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 4: And you know who was responsible for the crash retrieval conferences. 392 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 4: I think those were in Las Vegas, weren't they where 393 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 4: I was. You were the man responsible for those, That's. 394 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I before, you know, eighteen years twenty years 395 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 5: before Grush ever showed up in front of Congress. I 396 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 5: and many of the other you know now stalwarts of upology, 397 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 5: Linda Howe and Rich Dolan and Michael Schratt and Travis 398 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 5: Walton and Stan Friedman and my father, doctor Bob Wood, 399 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 5: and so Forth, Michael Sala, and they all came and 400 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 5: gave presentations many times, multiple times over the years, all 401 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 5: about the crash retrieval aspects in different aspects. And this 402 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 5: whole thing grew out of my frustration, personal frustration of 403 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 5: going to New fond conferences where nobody was talking about 404 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 5: juicy stuff. That's what I wanted to see. It's about 405 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 5: documents and crashes. It's hard where it's proof. As much 406 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 5: as I am excited about what contactees have to say 407 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 5: and so forth, lights in the sky and things like that, 408 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 5: it was to me that was a sidebar. Yeah. 409 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 4: I think that's why you're a great fit for a 410 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 4: contact in the desert person, because you are interested into 411 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 4: in the physical evidence and the credibility of these cases 412 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 4: and what physical evidence is there and what documents support 413 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 4: this case in that case. And I think that's really 414 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 4: a nice match. 415 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. 416 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 4: So what about the idea of people struggling. You know 417 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 4: that there's this technology, they have the technology to travel 418 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 4: across dimensions or vast distances of space, and then they 419 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 4: get here and they crash. What do you what about that? 420 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great questions. The classic question actually I 421 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 5: think it was the senator from or the representative from 422 00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 5: Missouri that highlighted that. You know, the hearings, it's like, 423 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 5: how can these advanced civilizations travel across the world then 424 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 5: crash on our pode on planet. I mean, that's ridiculous. 425 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 5: So there's multiple answers to it. You know, as Grush said, 426 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 5: you know a certain percentage of missions and admission failure, 427 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 5: so you know you can have things that accidentally happen. 428 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 5: I mean, then there's natural things like a good negative 429 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 5: lightning bolt, which is ten x bigger than a traditional 430 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 5: lightning bolt, could interfere with things. I mean, there's the 431 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 5: testimony of Corso about radar and you know, turn off 432 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 5: your radar so I can take my craft off or 433 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 5: radar interference. And then there's the nineteen forty two Los 434 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 5: Angeles air raid where they shot off all these proximity 435 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 5: FEUs artillery shells that may interfere or damage or hurt 436 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 5: the navigation. Then there's you can't discount the deliberate seating 437 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 5: of Kindergarten emerging planets. You know, they they say, well, 438 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 5: we've seen this movie a thousand times before, the way 439 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 5: you fix this planet and have them join our galactic 440 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 5: civilization in a few hundred years. Is you see them 441 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 5: with a little bit of technology, and then they work 442 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 5: hard to figure it out and they grow or they transform, 443 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 5: and then you can't discount the basic one. And these 444 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 5: things are disposable biological drones or combo biological taalic and 445 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 5: we don't pick them up. You know, the drones that 446 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 5: get shot down in Ukraine are left as fodder. And 447 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 5: then maybe the final thing is that we we value 448 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 5: as human beings, we value human life. You know, we 449 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 5: rescue our people and take them to the hospital, and 450 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 5: we try to recover our soldiers. But the ets may 451 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 5: have a totally different attitude, is that they're just completely disposable. 452 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 5: They're just like uh, you know, metal bolts and screws. 453 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 5: You know, they did their job right. 454 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 4: They may they may feel that way about the beings 455 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 4: that are in these craft, and they may feel that 456 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 4: way about the craft. Like you said, they may be 457 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 4: like we've sent probes, we've crashed probes into planets to 458 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 4: get data back. 459 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 5: Right, It's the exact same thing, absolutely, my Ron. 460 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 4: One more thing I would comment on that is that 461 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 4: you know, once again we need to keep in mind 462 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 4: that we're dealing with an unknown if in fact they 463 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 4: are coming here. We don't know the volume of craft 464 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 4: coming Based on your research, we can guestimate I think 465 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 4: you said two hundred and fifty and that's in the 466 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 4: last one hundred and twenty five years, so we're right 467 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 4: about two a year crash. Well, if there's four a 468 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 4: year coming here, that's a fifty percent crash rate. But 469 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 4: if there's maybe thousand craft coming here, or two thousand 470 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 4: craft a year coming here, we're talking about a point 471 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 4: one percent crash rate, so it might not be so hi. 472 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 4: We just don't know. It's also speculative, so we really 473 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 4: can't speak to it because we don't know that number. 474 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 5: It's an unknown. Interesting to talk about though. 475 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 4: When we come back, we're gonna talk more with Ryan 476 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 4: Wood about this fascinating topic. You are listening to Beyond 477 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 4: Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Aeronimal 478 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 4: podcast network. 479 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: The Internet is an extraordinary resource that links our children 480 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: to a world of information, experiences, and ideas, and also 481 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: can expose them to risk. Teach your children the basic 482 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: safety rules of the virtual world. 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We're 489 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 4: talking with Ryan Wood. 490 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 7: You know Ryan. 491 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 4: Another question I wanted to ask you about this was 492 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 4: Project Moondust, which caught other miscellaneous debris which could possibly 493 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:36,959 Speaker 4: be from an ET craft. 494 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, Moondust, that's another code word that Project Moondust. I 495 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 5: think Kevin Randall wrote a book called Moondust, and there's 496 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 5: several of the documents that have been leaked at our 497 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 5: Moondust are actually officially released from the State Department through 498 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 5: a Freedom Information Act FOYA. Most of it. You know, 499 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 5: in general, the overall principle is you want to recover 500 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 5: Soviet space stuff for other foreign countries space debris. But 501 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 5: a certain percentage of the time the retrieval teams get 502 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 5: to the crash or the debris and it's e T 503 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 5: or something special, and so they spirited off to write 504 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 5: Patterson Air Force Base or to the appropriate location. So 505 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 5: most of the work of Moondust and Moondust project officers 506 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 5: is sort of pedestrian, but a certain percentage of them 507 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 5: are et craft and there's several cases in the book 508 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 5: Bolivia case, I believe that this origin point is a 509 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 5: Moondust document. And actually, you know, with this latest law 510 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 5: that was passed by Congress, the National Archives has to 511 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 5: do some level of effort. It's unclear how enthusiastic they 512 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 5: are to produce UFO related documents and post them with 513 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 5: the website. And actually I went there, I don't know, 514 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 5: a month ago and typed in Moondust. Sure enough, Wow, 515 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,479 Speaker 5: there's two or three documents that say, you know, the 516 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 5: project Moondust officers had to do a certain chore, or 517 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 5: they had names and so forth. And I thought to myself, wow, 518 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 5: I didn't know that. Actually I knew when Moondust was 519 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 5: a program. I didn't know that there was individual people 520 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 5: that maybe had that clearance or focused on that clearance. 521 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 5: And that would be interesting to write to the National 522 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 5: Archives and say, well, okay, give me the list of 523 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 5: all the Moondust project officers, or where the Moondust historic 524 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 5: files or you know who authorized it. You know, I 525 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 5: need more data, so I may do that. 526 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 4: You're talking about the National archives here, and that's fascinating stuff. 527 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 4: I've heard you mentioned before that there may be a 528 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 4: lot of evidence regarding our government's involvement in this right 529 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 4: inside the National Archives that point to possible evidence of 530 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 4: ET craft and retrievals. No one's really shown much interest 531 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 4: in this in the past, and now Ryan, we have 532 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 4: a UAP caucus who might actually get behind such a move. 533 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 4: What about a campaign We're reaching out to someone like 534 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 4: a timber shut to pull together a research team to 535 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 4: scour these archives and compile what they can find. 536 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 5: That's a great idea, Ron, I'm all for it. I mean, 537 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 5: as somebody who's probably spent on the order of a 538 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 5: month at the National Archives and multiple trips both in 539 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 5: College Park, Maryland and downtown Washington, d C. I know 540 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 5: where to look based on the majestic documents. But it's 541 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 5: a long and tedious effort. To do an effective job 542 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 5: of pulling evidence out of the National Archives. You need 543 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 5: a two to three man team working for several months, 544 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 5: and you'll get a variety of of low level data. 545 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 5: Sometimes I've gotten exciting things. I got a document from 546 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 5: from Blount to Robley Evans, you know, a military officer 547 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 5: to an MIT professor talking about a top secret report 548 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 5: about a crashed Mexican disc and so that was right 549 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 5: out of the National Archives. So that's pretty juicy. There's 550 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 5: some other documents that are stamped top secret CIA m 551 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 5: J twelve, and then there's the National Security Council Color 552 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 5: Twining Memo, which is, you know, a top secret MJ twelve. 553 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 5: So there's a few little remnants of things that are 554 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 5: stamped that way. But the other thing you need really 555 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 5: is the ability to push on the declassification process. You 556 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 5: can find it and then may be withdrawal slip that 557 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 5: says up, you can't have it, we haven't declassified it. 558 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 5: And so now you need timber shit and others to 559 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 5: set up a priority declassification review to not be in 560 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 5: the queue. Like, for example, I identified several people that 561 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 5: I want their FBI files with and you know, we 562 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 5: got in the queue with the National Archives and they said, well, 563 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 5: because it's under four hundred pages that you want, we're 564 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 5: pegging you with thirty nine months to respond. Good, thirty 565 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 5: nine months gee, And well if it was over two 566 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,399 Speaker 5: thousand pages, it was like over sixty months. Oh my god, 567 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 5: you know exactly, and let alone my request that for 568 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 5: expedited review. So it's they're understaffed, under resourced. 569 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 4: I would look at guy like timber Shatter, one of 570 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 4: these other guys in the UAP caucus might be interested 571 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 4: in throwing you're working some funds for this. Yeah, i'd 572 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 4: be the classification for I could see it. 573 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it makes great sense. 574 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 4: And this the first time in our history. I think 575 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 4: we actually have a shot at that. I don't remember 576 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 4: politicians being so open about this topic. Ever, you're right. 577 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 5: And furthermore that the bad guys, the MJ twelve control 578 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 5: group people would want to thwart your effort. Don't know. 579 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 5: They don't have a clue. They don't understand how massive 580 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 5: the National Archives is involved. Six point thirty one is. Now. 581 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 5: They've done their best in time to scour up all 582 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 5: the primary evidence, but there's all sorts of remnant that's there. 583 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 5: In my mind, one of the great paths to disclosure 584 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 5: is pulling an authentic document out of the National Archives, 585 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 5: and you can make a lot of hay with that. 586 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 5: Now they may say, ah, yeah, that's so old, we've 587 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 5: forgotten everything in fifty four or forty seven, and to 588 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 5: cover it up and so forth. 589 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 4: It would have more credibility than these quote unquote leaked 590 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,760 Speaker 4: documents with though, because it's coming out of the National 591 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 4: Archive exactly. Yeah, and that this is your document you 592 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,879 Speaker 4: just said so right right. 593 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 5: And speaking of that, I'm working on another book called 594 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 5: UFOs Who Knows question Mark, And it's famous quotations from 595 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 5: people both astronauts, military scientists, and engineers, religious leaders, celebrities, 596 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 5: government presidents. So there's a huge I mean, you've highlighted 597 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 5: one of the key problems of ufology credibility. There's funding 598 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 5: of because we're totally underfunded, and there's leadership and everybody 599 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 5: does what they can to lead the cause forward. And 600 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 5: that's those are the three challenges for us. 601 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 4: Well, I love this quote idea. This quote book is 602 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 4: really a great idea. You know, there's a lot of 603 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 4: physicists that say incredible things like playing saying that consciousness 604 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 4: is fundamental. Things like that could tie right into what 605 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 4: you're writing about. I think that's a really really cool 606 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 4: idea for a book. I think we're going to have 607 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 4: to stop there, Ryan, as we're out of time, Please 608 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 4: check out Ryan's site Majesticdocuments dot com, where much of 609 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 4: this material is archive. Ryan Number one Thank you for 610 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,240 Speaker 4: coming on today. I really really appreciate it. I enjoyed 611 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 4: this number two. Thank you for your incredible work of 612 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 4: taking the time to archive this important document for all 613 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 4: of us. I think it makes a difference and I 614 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 4: think it's a great resource for any of us in 615 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 4: this field. So I appreciate that, and thanks all of 616 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 4: you for listening to Beyond Contact. We will be back 617 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 4: next week with an all new episode. You can follow 618 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 4: me Captain Ron on Twitter and Instagram at CID Underscore 619 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,280 Speaker 4: Captain Ron. 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