1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up? 2 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: Straight Fire Family gets Me Jason McIntyre Straight Fire for Wednesday, 3 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: October six, little Middle of the Week podcast interview for y'all. 4 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna like it. So there's a new 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: book out on Charles Barkley by a gentleman from the 6 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: Washion Post named Timothy Bella. And as soon as I 7 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: saw that he was doing this book, like six months ago, 8 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: I started shaking him down over Twitter. I need to 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: get you on the pot. I need to get you 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: on the pot. He's like, okay, okay. The book drops 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: November one, and I said, so, we're actually the first 12 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: official interview of this Barkley book. This is how I 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: roll people. I see what's around the corner and I 14 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: beat the rush to it. Um. But tim tim Bella 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: is great. He tells the Barkley stories. He has a 16 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: great Barkley Mike Tyson story from a party in Philadelphia. 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: Uh he, I don't want to say confirmed some of 18 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: the crazy stuff Peter Vessey said on this podcast about 19 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: Berkeley and partying with uh many women. Let's just say 20 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: in Phoenix back in the day. So I think you 21 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: guys are gonna like Timothy bellbup. First, before we get 22 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: to tim First of all, I haven't had I haven't 23 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: been able to talk to Rob G on the pot 24 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: in a minute. He's been busy. We've had a lot 25 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: of great guests. Um. I don't know if he's been 26 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: crying over the Raiders. They did get a w over 27 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: the weekend. Um, I know that he's very concerned about 28 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 1: the Lakers. So Rob G, I want I didn't tell 29 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: you I was gonna hit you at this, but before 30 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: the season you told me I think the Lakers are 31 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: gonna be in good shape. They got rid of a 32 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: bunch of guys who are native in the league. Now, um, 33 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: I think you said top four seed. I think I 34 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: had them five or six, top six. Top said comfortably 35 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Comfortably in the playoffs. We are three 36 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: games in Lakers play. I think tonight. I don't know 37 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: who they play. I'm just curious, where do you stand 38 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: on the Lakers Before we get to the real topic, 39 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Of course, where do you stand on your Lakers? 40 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: Three games? We're still comfortably in the playoffs and haven't 41 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: backed off of that, and the reason being. The reason 42 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: being is the same as it was before the season. 43 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: This is not going to be the roster that you see. 44 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: You know, in the second half of the year, there's 45 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: going to be a trade. Russell Westbrook will be dealt 46 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: sooner than later. I know that they're saying that they 47 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: want to wait games. I don't think it's gonna be realistic. 48 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna get off to such a slow 49 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: start and the the toxicity around the team is going 50 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: to get to such a high level that they're just 51 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: gonna have to bite the bullet and make a move. 52 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: Whether it's the Spurs, that Pacers deal, the Hornets deal, whatever, 53 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a move made, and it's almost gonna 54 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: be additioned by subtraction. And again this is not Russ 55 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: is not the only problem on the Lakers. He's probably 56 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: not even the biggest problem. The biggest problem is shooting, 57 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: and unfortunately, the only way or the best way to 58 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: cure that ailment is to trade him. And that's what's 59 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: gonna happen. And once they make that movie, you're gonna 60 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: see them going a little bit of a run and 61 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: suddenly Lakers are fighting for home court in the Plazzicas. 62 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: I don't think they'll get but they'll definitely be a 63 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: top six seed. All Right, I'm gonna Rob, I'm gonna yell, 64 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: do you need to get your wife to vigorously shake 65 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: you right now and wake you up? Are you crazy? 66 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 1: First of all, Lakers at the Denver Nuggets tonight on 67 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: the ESPN. That'll be a tough one. Nuggets to take 68 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: down the Warriors, but have lost to the Blazers, and 69 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: I think Collin Sexton in the fighting Utah Jazz. But 70 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,839 Speaker 1: you know, Rob, there's an interesting theory out there. If 71 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: the Lakers can't trade Russ right now, and they're trying 72 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: to fight away from giving away the two future ones, 73 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: why not just pull him from the team and just say, Russ, 74 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna send you home. We're gonna just because it's 75 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: it's just two toxic around the team right now. Every 76 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: question isn't about the shooting, it's about Russ. Every video 77 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: of every moment in the game where Russ screws up 78 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: or takes a bad shot is amplified on social media. 79 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: Him simply being there is a massive negative to the team. Like, 80 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: I know, this isn't gonna be popular. The second Dennis 81 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: shooters back do you have any t on Dennis shooter. 82 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: By the way, I believe they say it was gonna 83 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: bebout three months because it was a hand injury basketball 84 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: player in their hands. Break Um, I mean, listen, the 85 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: problem is if you pull Russ from the team, now 86 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: where do you turn for scoring? That second unit is 87 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: gonna be brutal. You don't want to put too much 88 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: wear and tear on Anthony Davis because he'll get hurt. 89 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: Lebron Is old they they need to get him away 90 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: from the team right now. It's just gonna the locker 91 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: room knows. Like everybody's walking around like all right, He's 92 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: made one of twelve threes this season. He was four 93 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: or fifteen. He can't make a shot that teams don't 94 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: defend him. He doesn't want to set screens. Um. I 95 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: heard someone breaking down a play late in that Portland game. 96 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: We're rushed through it. I think there was less than 97 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: two minutes left. Russ tosses it in the post to 98 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: Anthony Davis and then just stands there. I mean, that's 99 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: fourth grade basketball pass and move pass and goes set 100 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: a screen. He just stood there and Anthony Davis waited 101 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: from to move and he didn't. Now, is that him 102 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: being belligerent? Rob? Is that Russell Westbrook just not wanting 103 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: to do stuff or I don't know what to do? 104 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: Is what the hell is going on? Man? I think 105 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: it's more that he's stuck in his ways. That We've 106 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: talked about this for two years now. Like Russell Westbrook 107 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: has been successful, highly successful in the NBA playing a 108 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: certain style of basketball that's ball dominant, that's he is heliocentric. 109 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: Even when Kevin Durant was there, it was never k 110 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: D and Russell Westbrook like make this great tandem. It 111 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: was their their skills, Excuse me, it was their individual 112 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: talent was so overwhelming that they could, you know, take 113 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: over games. It was your turn, my turn, your turn, 114 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: my turn. That's what it was. And Kevin Durant is 115 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: probably this side of Steph Curry, the most malleable superstar 116 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: in the NBA where he can just fit alongside anyone. 117 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: And that doesn't work. Now. You know, Russell Westbrook is 118 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: not the super athletic guy that he was back in Okay. See, 119 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: he's not surrounded by defenders and shooters like he was then. 120 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: And even in Washington where he could be the focal 121 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: point and other guys can make up for his mistakes 122 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: now that he's a situation where he needs to defend 123 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: and shoot and that's not what he does and and 124 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: and shame on the Lakers for thinking that they could 125 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: turn him into something that he's not that. Yeah, sorts, 126 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: I'll say this, UM. So, I've gotten a lot of 127 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: texts from friends and like quasi friends in the last 128 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: couple of weeks about the Jets, tons of them. I've 129 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: gotten more about the Lakers in one week than I 130 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: have the Jets this season. That there is massive concern 131 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: and liquor nation. You can't go from winning a title 132 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: two um losing in the first round, I know, the 133 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: a D injury and then missing the playoffs and then 134 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: there's major concern rob at any rate, I want to 135 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: just quickly talk about before we get to Timothy Bella, 136 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: the biggest story in the NF fell and that is 137 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. The um what is he thirty? I think 138 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: he decembers when he turned thirty eight. He's starting to 139 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: look old. I actually believe and I might have said 140 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: this on the podcast. If you put side by side 141 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: pictures of Ben Kenobi and Aaron Rodgers at at Aaron 142 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: Rodgers is like last three press conferences after games, he 143 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: is looking like Obi wan Kenobi, and I hope my 144 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: buddy isn't gonna get upset at me. But I went 145 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: to dinner with a couple of couple of buddies for 146 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: a guy's birthday, and somehow we started talking about ayahuasca 147 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: and my friends like, yeah, I think I want to 148 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: try it, and I was like what you And Aaron 149 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: Rodgers he's and he explains to me why ayahuasca has 150 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: value and I was like, holy cow, that sounds awesome, 151 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: and I'm not I wouldn't do a justice, but apparently 152 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: it just whatever burdens you have are concerns, it's all 153 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: lifted because you can suddenly see clearly given you did 154 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: ayahuasca and a currently, there's like a large segment of 155 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: like the super smart business, rich dude cohort that is 156 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: doing this because it can help with clarity and seeing 157 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: things much more clear and not being burdened and concerned 158 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: and anxiety written all the time. And so there are 159 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: a lot of you know, wealthy smart people doing this 160 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: drunk because it helps you. It's like a larger um 161 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: event doing the ayahuasca. It's not like you just pop 162 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: a pill or smoke a joint. And so my buddy 163 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: made the case that he wants to do and I 164 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: was like, wow, I kind of want to do it. 165 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: I got some things I need to sort out with myself. 166 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: And then I started thinking about Aaron Rodgers and he 167 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: looks so calm. He looks so relaxed for a team 168 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: that is playing like garbage. And he's sitting there with 169 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: his robes looking like ben Kenobi, with his graying beard 170 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: and his hair slicked back and his cadence. The way 171 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: he talks, it doesn't seem like the Aaron Rodgers of 172 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: three years ago. He just doesn't look like that dude. 173 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: And I know physically he ages, But for him to 174 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: say on Monday that, hey, uh, you know, we're gonna 175 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: go into Buffalo where big Underdogs is a great spot 176 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: for us, and then Tuesday to go on the Pat 177 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: McAfee show and totally turn turn everything around and say, well, 178 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, we we did a deep dive and there's 179 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: guys making double digit mental mistakes in every game. And 180 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: if guys are making that many mistakes, they shouldn't be playing. 181 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: We should cut their reps in their snaps and then 182 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: to follow that up by saying, yeah, I talked to 183 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: our either the o C, the quarterback coach, who said 184 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: that this was a great game for me against Washington. 185 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: What on earth got into Aaron Rodgers this week? Folks, 186 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: if you didn't watch the Washington game, I'll let you 187 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: know I did because I had the Commander's game out 188 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: on this podcast. Aaron Rodgers thirty five and ninety four yards, 189 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: five point five yard per attempt, two touchdowns, great pasted 190 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: Aaron Jones, No no, denying that he had two explosive 191 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: passes all game, one to Watkins and then one to Jones. 192 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: The touchdown pass. That's it. Everything else dink and dunk. 193 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: Everything else didn't a dunk. He didn't look good. At 194 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: one point, Aaron Rodgers looked to the camera or looked 195 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: at the sideline. The camera was on him, and he mounts, 196 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: what the effort we doing? What? What are we doing? 197 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: Like he did not know what the hell the problem 198 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: was for the Packers, so blaming everybody. Hey man, we're 199 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: making a lot of mistakes. Those guys who were screwing up. Yeah, 200 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: they shouldn't be playing as much. Who are you talking 201 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: about bro You talk about A J. Dillon because he 202 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: only had four carries, he felt like he barely played. 203 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: Talking about Romeo Dobbs, who can't catch a cold. Four targets, 204 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: zero catches, I mean, it got so bad. A Maori 205 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: Rogers is starting to catch passes. He's usually seen fumbling 206 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: special teams punts. Folks, this feels like it could be 207 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: def con one massive conserve of the Packers. They are 208 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: double digit dogs in Buffalo, they folded three and five. Minnesota. 209 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: Happens to beat Arizona, that will be a three game 210 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: deficit for the Viking. For the Packers, you could just 211 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: kiss that division goodbye and then you can start really 212 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: looking at can they get a wild card spot? Like? 213 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: How bad is it? I don't know, Rob, I saw 214 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: these comments from Rodgers and tossing everybody under the bus, 215 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: a phrase that I think it's tired, I'm sick of. 216 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: It feels like a move of a desperate man. Yeah, 217 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: and it's highly disappointing. I mean, I've said before to 218 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: you and to other people on various platforms that Aaron Rodgers, 219 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: to me, is the best quarterback I've ever seen play. 220 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: Like now he's not the most accomplished, that's Tom Brady's 221 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: probably not even the most skilled. That might be Patrick 222 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: Mahomes whatever. But Aaron Rodgers just watching him play football, 223 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: to me, is the best quarterback I've ever seen. Having 224 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: said that, it's comments like like this that to me, 225 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: it's clear why he only has one Super Bowl because 226 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: you cannot consistently and this is not the first time 227 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: he's done this is actually the second time he's done 228 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: this in seventy two hours. But you cannot consistently draw 229 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: a line in the sand and say them and me, 230 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 1: these guys and me, and I know the comments that 231 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: he made on the Macropa SiO on two they are 232 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: the ones that we're talking about. But on Sunday after 233 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: the game, he sneaks this into the media, which kind 234 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: of got lost in the sauce because everybody was talking 235 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: about his comments about being an underdog and buffalo and 236 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: he he says basically, he says, quote, you know, outside 237 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: of Adam Lazard and Aaron Jones, outside of those two guys, 238 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: too many manimal steaks. And it's like, okay, so only 239 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: the guys that you like then are the ones who 240 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: are not making mistakes. Because it's not you, it's not 241 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: your your best friends, and it's you know, you're not 242 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: gonna mention Marcedes Lewis Aaron Joe's will document, one of 243 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: his best friends. And it's like, no, it's the other guys. 244 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: And if these guys don't don't pull up there under 245 00:12:54,640 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: the bar, you're not gonna win. And he's always they're 246 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: gonna be out. So he does he trust Watkins, so 247 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: who Basically he only wants to hand the ball off 248 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: to Aarron Jones to throw to Aird Jones. Yeah, exactly, 249 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: And and look, this is probably true, to be honest 250 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: with you, it's probably factual that the young receivers, you know, 251 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs, who has been playing Christian Watson, has always 252 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: hurt um. Sammy Watkins just came back from a hamstring injury, 253 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: so maybe he's not fully up to speed on what 254 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: they want to do. It's not out of the round 255 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: of possibility that those guys are making a lot of 256 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: mental mistakes. That's that's fair. The problem is, as the quarterback, 257 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: as the leader of the team, you cannot say this 258 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: kind of stuff in public, and he does it all 259 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: the time. And there's something to be said about as 260 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: much as they hate Tom Brady and as much as 261 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: he's you know, publicly berating his offensive linemen on the sidelines, 262 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: when it comes time to speak about it to the media, 263 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: he never airs them out, never says, oh, yeah, the 264 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: offensive line really let me down today. We're not opening 265 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 1: up in the holes. He'll say, you know what, maybe 266 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: I gotta check into a better play, Maybe I gotta 267 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: get the ball out quicker. What can I do to 268 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: make it better for them? And Aaron Rodgers throughout his career, 269 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: but this season specifically, just as not doing that. It's 270 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: always them and what they're doing wrong. So Tom Brady 271 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago had said, I'm seeing a 272 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: lot of bad football. Aaron Rodgers now saying our teammates 273 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: are making mental mistakes. They shouldn't be playing. Folks. It 274 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: never ends well for the old guys. It just doesn't, 275 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: especially in sports. I mean, Elway was able to walk 276 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: off with the Super Bowl. He got out wisely at 277 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: the right time, Peyton Man and got lucky. He had 278 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: a terrible game in the Super Bowl several second half 279 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: of the season and was able to get the dub 280 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: left at the right time. But go, I mean go, 281 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: look up Eli Manning's ending goodness gracious, not not, It's 282 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: just not pretty. And I mean, Rob, the scenario exists 283 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: where Belichick, Rogers, and Brady all missed the playoffs. I mean, 284 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: that's unfathomable. Those three guys have basically dominated the league 285 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: for the last ten fifteen years, Belichick for twenty uh 286 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: wild NFL season. All right, without further ado, let's get 287 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: to our guest, Timothy Bella of the Washington Post, who 288 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: wrote a book on Charles Barkley. Fox Sports Radio has 289 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all 290 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: of our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot com and 291 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: within the I Heart Radio app search f s R 292 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: to listen live. Jason likes to think he knows everything 293 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: when it comes to sports. I know what sports stands want, 294 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: but for everything he doesn't, he knows a guy who does. 295 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: Let's just say, I know a guy who knows a guy. 296 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: He knows another guy. All right, let's welcome into straight fire. 297 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: A guy I've been trying to get this on this 298 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: podcast for geez. We've been exchanging our d m s 299 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: for like six months. I know he has a new 300 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: book coming out, Biography of Charles Barkley. It is going 301 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: to be a big deal. He's doing a world wind 302 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,239 Speaker 1: massive book tour and he has a new born baby. 303 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: Let's welcome to Timothy Bella of the Washington Post. Tim 304 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: how are you. How's it going, Jason, I'm doing great, man. 305 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: Congrats on the book. Obviously. Listen, Charles Barkley, you know 306 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: what's gonna sell. You timed it well right to the 307 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: beginning of the NBA season. I'm just talk me through 308 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: the process of the book from the pitch, whether or 309 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: not Barkley wants to cooperate. What the Washington Post tells 310 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: you when you tell them, Hey, I'm going off to 311 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: write a book, give me all the good stuff. Of course. 312 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: So this actually starts a few years back when I 313 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: am working with Jeff Benedict and Armand Kataian on their 314 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: books of the System on college football, and of course 315 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: they're biography on Tiger Woods and um specifically, by being 316 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: the lead researcher on that Tiger Woods book, I got 317 00:16:54,360 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: to see firsthand just how one and credible of a 318 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 1: topic he was and to how carried their attention for years. 319 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: And I know, as someone like me who has been 320 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: a journalists whole career. I knew I've actually wanted to 321 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 1: just kind of dig into a book, and uh, as 322 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: someone who's bench just a tythlon NBA fan, there was 323 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: no better subject, in my opinion than Charles Barkley, someone 324 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 1: who has been a public figure for over four decades 325 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: now and someone who was on our TV each and 326 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: every week taking millions of dollars to just basically please 327 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: should talk the entire two and I concurse, right, I'm sorry, 328 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: I so so. When I pitched this book, I knew 329 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: too was going to be an uphill battle because one, 330 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm not in every day NBA b writer so in 331 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: in that community and as well now too. Before I 332 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: interviewed a single person for it, I did try to 333 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: get Charles and his agent on board. They respectfully said no, 334 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: and I said, okay, it's happening anyway, and we did it, 335 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: and I you know, to almost four hundred interviews later, 336 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 1: and over the create and a half years later, tire 337 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: we are now, wow, four hundred interviews, that's crazy. You know. 338 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: We had on Ian O'Connor, who had the same situation 339 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: with Coach K. He approached him. Coach K's like, yeah, 340 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: now I'm not gonna do it, and he went out 341 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: and talked to a billion people, turned out an awesome book, 342 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: and that that's kind of the deal, right. I mean, 343 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: Barkley has no point in cooperating with you unless he's 344 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: getting paid. But four hundred interviews, my goodness, did he did? 345 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: I love asking this question. Did Berkeley try to block 346 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: you from talking to anyway? As far as I know? No, Um, 347 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: if that could have been the case, I will tell you. Um, 348 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, I usually have too many more people than 349 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: I actually got for interviews, and I can tell you 350 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: towards the end of the process, I got one of 351 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: the people in his inner circle who goes back decades 352 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: with him, and they just uh came out and said, 353 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: you know, I talked to Charles and it sounded like 354 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: you really warm out during this whole process here, so 355 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: so so he just said sure, and and he gave 356 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: U the okay to several people. And I I that 357 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: it was very kind to itself. But um, yeah, no, 358 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: there there were a lot of people who head straight 359 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: up I will not talk on of us. He is involved, 360 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: which I totally understand it. But as someone who saw 361 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: what happened with the Tiger Hood's book with Jeff and 362 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: armand and uh if. They obviously did not have x 363 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: as to him, but those two left just no doubt 364 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: that it was going to be a great book, and honestly, 365 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: I just kind of wanted to adopt that same of philosophy. 366 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: You should just leave zero doubt, Jason. Yeah, I think 367 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: that's pretty awesome. Man. Congratulations. Now this is your first book, 368 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: which is pretty crazy that your first book is on 369 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: Charles Party and you're gonna be on this massive book tour. Um. 370 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: I am curious. You said you were the one of 371 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: the researchers for the Tiger Book and the College Football Book. 372 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: How did you get into that kind of orbit of 373 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: being like a researcher on books. I've I've has been 374 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: a sports fan in my entire life, and I guess 375 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: it kind of started when I was coming straight out 376 00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 1: of college or TCU, Go frogs, um and I I 377 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: would just do this staying Jason, where I would cold 378 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: email journalists and and people in the video to. I 379 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: had just a ton of respect for To. I was 380 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: huge fans of I mean, I mean, do you name it. 381 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: I probably appreciate out to that person. I've just been 382 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: a journalism nerd my entire life and and one of 383 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: those people who was Armacitaan and um um he he 384 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: did not have to get back to me at all. 385 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: But I I pulled up his email if the other 386 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: day from like thirteen fourteen years back, and he said, 387 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: if you are half as entertaining as this email is, 388 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: then going to be really good friends. And and ever 389 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: since then he kind of took me under his wing 390 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: because he knew I wanted to get involved in UH 391 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: sports and UH in journalism and specifically investigative journalism. And 392 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: I think having me on board for that first book, 393 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: The System and followed up that Tiger Woods UH was 394 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: something that UH came in big time handing when I 395 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: finally took on a book of my own, because I 396 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: put higher that he had those research skills. I had 397 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: those skills to look into these public records and to 398 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: okay people who are really hard to find. Um so 399 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: H in my opinion, without his research background I got 400 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: on those other two books. There's no way in hell 401 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: I could have pulled this off. Jason, Honestly, Yeah, that's 402 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: pretty crazy. I mean again, Charles Barkley, is you know 403 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: you think of sports media, He's got to be right 404 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: there at the top of it. I mean, you you 405 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: shot for the moon, which is pretty cool. I'll say this, Tim, 406 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: I've been approached by a couple of people about book ideas. 407 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: Uh you know, I'm repped by CIA, and I met 408 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: with their book editor and they talked me through like 409 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: what it would be like. And Tim, I gotta say, 410 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: the process of writing a book, it just seems like 411 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: so much work. And I mean, I know the idea 412 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: of hey, you wrote a book, your name's on it. 413 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: Massive accomplishment obviously, but it seems like a lot of work. 414 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: And is the r O I there? And again this 415 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: is your first one. And I know you're just starting 416 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: the book tour, but I don't know talk to did 417 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: you have that conversation with your wife about you know, 418 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: writing a book and how much work you're gonna have 419 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: to do and what it pays and how the book tour? 420 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: And I mean it's a multi year process, right it is. 421 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 1: And and honestly I couldnt have done this without the 422 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: full support of her or my family. And we've we've 423 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: he had family plans and we still do. We got 424 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 1: um shortly after I'm married. I I not only got 425 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: this job, at the Washington Post. But I also said, hey, 426 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: I will want to pitch this book. I've been main 427 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: continuing meaning to actually do it for a while. And 428 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: he said, let's go for it, just knowing that it 429 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: was going to take a long time. He didn't think 430 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: it would take like a whole presidential term. But but 431 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: it was. Was it a four year process in terms 432 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: of looks like like uh story to actually sketch out 433 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: the proposal of it? Yeah, probably was. And and I 434 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: will say this, I could not have well there for 435 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: two elements in plays that made my situation of the 436 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: it's different. One was something we all and through with 437 00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: this pandemic and how to turn earth place lives upside 438 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: down and and how powerful it was for so many people. Um. 439 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: But but other aspects of it putches uh different. In 440 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: my cases, my job at the Washington Post had me 441 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: working overnights. In other words, I work from nine pm 442 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: until seven am for um, almost three full years, so 443 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: so so actually juggling a book on top of uh, 444 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: the responsibilities that worked us, that work scheduled, plus my marriage, 445 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: I mean it was a lot man um and uh, 446 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: but but we made it work. There. There were definitely 447 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: sacrifices and were had to be extremely disciplined. But I'm 448 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: just really thankful that's done. To be honest with you, 449 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,479 Speaker 1: I don't want to do that again. Yeah, yeah, I 450 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: gotta ask. Um, So, Washington, First of all, did you 451 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: go to TACU for jurism or did you just kind 452 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: of be like, oh, I'm gonna go to college and 453 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: then you stumble upon journalism for journalism? Yeah, and uh 454 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: A couple of years later, I went to a Colombia 455 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: for my master's journalism as well. So oh wow, and 456 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: so you come out, you go into journalism, I don't know. 457 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: You know, I went to college, Tim, And I've said 458 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: this on the podcast before, Like I went in thinking, Okay, 459 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna join the newspaper. I'm gonna come out. I'm 460 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: gonna go work for the Washington Post, my hometown paper, 461 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: or maybe the l A Times. And I want to 462 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: cover the Lakers. I want to cover the NFL. And 463 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: then you know, best laid plans, YadA, YadA, YadA, and 464 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: you know I was out. I moved out of newspapers 465 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: within like four years. Um, you stuck it out though, 466 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: you you what do you think of the newspaper industry 467 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: right now, you're at the Washington Post. That's a high 468 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: end of the totem pole. Yeah. I mean, oh, God 469 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: bless you. Tell you sorry, my baby sneeze, so I 470 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: would God bless you. But in terms of everything that 471 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: is going on, I'm really fortunate to be to the 472 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: place like the Washington Post that is buying large stable 473 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: like I've I've had friends. Um My uncle Rick was 474 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: at the Orgonian for a few decades and he retired 475 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: h a few years back, and it was just I 476 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: can't tell you too many times that place has changed, 477 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: and and every other payer has changed. I mean, there 478 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: have been so many of playoffs and I alreadies have 479 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: just really shifted in that industry so much that honestly, 480 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: I told him myself years ago, I was never going 481 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:50,959 Speaker 1: to work for a paper unless it's you know, the Post, 482 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: the Times, the Journal, something like that that is relatively 483 00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: big and stable, just because I've I've seen two any 484 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: good friends, really good journalists get played off and and honestly, 485 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: I've been played off twice two it had other man organizations, 486 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: and I've thought at times, you know, does this industry 487 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: love me as much as I love it? And I 488 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: think if you all kind of face that sometimes. So, yeah, 489 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 1: I'm extremely fortunate to be at the post, but I 490 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: also understand that it is very different compared to uh 491 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: A pot of other places. Right now, Fox Sports Radio 492 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch 493 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: all of our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot com 494 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: and within the I Heart Radio app search f s 495 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: R to listen live. All right, so let's get to 496 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: the book. And I think what piqued my interest in 497 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,479 Speaker 1: you in the book team was. I'll be honest, like 498 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: I've liked Charles Barkley for a long time. You can't 499 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: see all my bookshelf behind me, but I have outrageous 500 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: the Berkeley Book from thin or whatever Barkley fan, I 501 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: guess he's really pissed me off in the last few 502 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: years with some of his lunatic comments blasting players like 503 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant for going to super teams. When Charles Barkley, 504 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: who never gets the scrutiny, nobody has the balls tim 505 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: to say to him, Hey, Charles, you forced your way 506 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: out of Philly to Phoenix to play for a contender. 507 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: Then you forced your way to Houston too because you 508 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: were ring chasing joining Super teams in both situations, and 509 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: it just I don't know. Obviously you were not able 510 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: to ask him that. But regarding specifically Charles Barkley super 511 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: teams and you you know everything about his career, given 512 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: the research you do, what do you think about this? 513 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: Is he talking out of both sides of his mouth? 514 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: There definitely is some you've visionist history going on here. 515 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: T Do agrees that. I'm specifically when it comes to 516 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, how he got himself out of Phoenix, the 517 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: Philadelphia want I totally kind of understood, because, um, it's 518 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: a point in time that they had just given him 519 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: zero over eight years. They traded Moses, they traded the 520 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: first overall pick. They just didn't give him aton in Philly, 521 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: which is why when Outrageous came out, he he kind 522 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: of went score start on everyone. And so that happened. 523 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: But in terms of Phoenix, and know wait, they had 524 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: an incredible fun there. They had gone to if NBA 525 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: FINALSS first year is MVP season. Next two seasons they 526 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: lose to the eventual champion Rockets in seven games both years, 527 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: and then that last season comes and it's really injury 528 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: play and and and he's kind of worn out his 529 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: welcome even though they still had a bunch of talented 530 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: players there. Now they did trade Dan Marley if that 531 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: is something that really piste him off at point in time. 532 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: But he kind of used the same a book he 533 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: did in Philly to get out of Phoenix. And and 534 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: I can tell you because because I grew up in 535 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: Houston and I was a big Rockets fan back then, 536 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: So I actually grew up hating Charles Barkley tad first 537 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:39,239 Speaker 1: and and then he uh comes over and I am 538 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: his biggest fan. Um, so like I do understand um 539 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: why he did it. I do agree that he came 540 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: over at a time where those guys himself and Foo 541 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: did we're definitely past their primes a team hi Drexler 542 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: of potentially Scottie Pippen for that one awful year. Um yeah, 543 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 1: but but um he did that and it was his choice, 544 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: and that it is something that does get a we'gotten 545 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: about a little bit because Pockets can't win. Yeah, it's 546 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: it's just weird. I didn't like that. And then he's 547 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: the way the other gripe I have. The big one 548 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: with Barkley, tim is he's been blasting the Warriors as 549 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: like soft three point shooting blah blah blah, when in reality, 550 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: A it's worked and be tim, they've basically revolutionized basketball 551 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: and he's been not shipping on them, but basically taking 552 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: shots for like, I don't know, the better part of 553 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: six seven years now, and for for me as a 554 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: guy who's in the tank for Steph Currey, I readily 555 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: admit that, Um, it's just frustrating to hear. What do 556 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: you think that's about? Or maybe you disagree. I do 557 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: think there is something that just goes back to this, uh, 558 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: this old adage of well it it wasn't my generation 559 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: was in my time, so we put to kill these 560 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: guys back then. And I do think he kind of 561 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: hangs onto that. Um Shaq does kind of as well, 562 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: but it's usually in a very playful way. I do. 563 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: I do agree that the part of the Warriors stuff 564 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,719 Speaker 1: was valid before they won. Um ever since then, I 565 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: do agree, Uh, especially being a rocket stand kills me. 566 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,479 Speaker 1: It's a little bit, but um yeah, no, no, if 567 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: they had just in amazing runs still on it, they 568 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: are consistent. They're attempting to just bridge from this one 569 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: dynasty tend to another one, and it's been remarkable scene 570 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: and then yes, they have turned the NBA um and 571 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: basketball because the whole upside down and it changed in 572 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: a cultural way. That's going to topset a pot of 573 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: people of a certain generation. And I do think that 574 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: uh uh, you know, whether he and puts it or not, 575 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: it is overall healthy for the game because it has 576 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: grown the game too. Um and idol of the nineties basketball, 577 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: I've of it now, um and it's okay to light 578 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: both versions. I think, yeah, yeah, I agree with that. Um. 579 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 1: So Tim your first excerpt that when hit the Web 580 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 1: is over at Esquire, the headline is pretty classic. If 581 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: you bother me, I'm gonna whip your ass. And the 582 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,479 Speaker 1: night Charles Barkley threw a man through a plate glass 583 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: window through a glass window. Pretty awesome story, obviously, you 584 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: know I had I had heard that one. I you know, 585 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: it's a good story. It's a great read. Um. I'm 586 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: gonna ask, how would the meat, uh specifically social media 587 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: do you think have handled Barkley in this current age? 588 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: It would have been totally not s facing. I mean, 589 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: if you think about it, I mean there's there's um 590 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: another text or that is coming with the next few 591 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: days or so that books at a certain uh uh 592 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: apported relationship he had with a pop star around the 593 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: time any three Finals. If anyone is familiar with this, 594 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: knows exactly, Um who's being talked about there, But you can't. 595 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: I gotta google ninety three finals pop star. I'm trying 596 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: to think Phoenix, um, Chicago Bulls. It was rumored just 597 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: because they they had been seen with each other in 598 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: a couple of different spots, but it got a ton 599 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: of attention during at that point in time. And I'm 600 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: just in vision stuff like that or this this fight 601 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: in Orlando, or spinning on the young girl in New Jersey, 602 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: all all of these incidents that happened long before social media. 603 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 1: I feel like Charles would be Uh it's just especially 604 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: back then, just kind of making Twitter teaching every day. Uh, 605 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: because the pus, the beauty and and sometimes the downside 606 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: took Charles. He just he he open. He's found himself 607 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: just grabbing these headlines sometimes for his extraordinary place, sometimes 608 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: for you know, elbowing and and golden players in the chest. 609 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: I mean, you just don't know with him sometimes and 610 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: uh so I do think he would be extremely popular 611 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: now and honestly, and people talk about him now they 612 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: only talked about his inside the NBA stuff and and 613 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to mind people that he was an athlete 614 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,720 Speaker 1: in terms of his game since some of the stuff 615 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 1: he said and did that we just didn't experience back 616 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: that the I mean, um, and and he didn't postly 617 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: in a good way. And who can laugh about with 618 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: out of the stuff. But the other stuff was serious 619 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: and voys have caused uh, everybody to just kind of 620 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: speet about it for he's forty eight hours. Yeah. I 621 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: can't even think of, um like a similar comp for 622 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 1: what Barkley would have been. Now. I don't want to 623 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,320 Speaker 1: say some crazy person like Kanye West because that's to Barkley. 624 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I mean, Alan Iverson was pretty 625 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: raw back in the day. Um, it would have been fascinating. 626 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: All right, Just two more timb real quick. Sure are 627 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: there any stories that did not make it in whether 628 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: they didn't pass um the smell test on your part 629 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: or um, you know you couldn't verify them, or you 630 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: just thought like this is good but it's not bookworthy. Yeah, yeah, 631 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 1: there were there for several that got left on the 632 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: cutting floor. Some I just could not have terrified. Others 633 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: that should just made you know, pretty long book longer 634 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: if if I'm being honest, Um, there is one that 635 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: comes to mind that um that I was told by 636 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: Mike personally, who is the great I know that guy 637 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Sports Radio tost We got it. We've got into 638 00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: it a couple of times. Yeah, but anyway, well, so 639 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: what Anyway, he's a very good friend of Chuck's. And 640 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: and for anyone to knows Chuck, they then to know 641 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: that every year for on time he held this New 642 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: Year's Eve party and and it will be just the 643 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: biggest New Year's Eve party you've ever seen. And one 644 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: year he invited like Tyson, who was actually going to 645 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: be in town. And Charles and Mike they for friends, 646 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: they knew each other, but weren't that time. Well anyway, 647 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,760 Speaker 1: during of course of the night, these guests keep talking 648 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 1: up to Charles and and telling him about all the 649 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: weird stuff that Mike Tyson is doing. One he just 650 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: starts smoking weed in in the middle of his party, 651 00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: just like back when it was not as accepted, and 652 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: Charles like and other times people are just walking up 653 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 1: to him like, hey, hey, he's pitching of everybody's butts 654 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: over here too. He just pitched my wife's block, like 655 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: what do you actually go to do about this? And 656 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: Charles was like, I don't know what you want me 657 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: to actually do about it? It's Mike fucking Tyson, Like 658 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: what what am I going to do about this? So 659 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: like it it under those moments where and now it 660 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: reminds you that one you're going to do so much 661 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 1: around Mike Tyson in general, especially back then, but to 662 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 1: look like, even if you are Charles bark like, what 663 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: can you possibly say to him? Actually a good story? 664 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: I mean, what are you? What do you want to 665 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: do with Mike Tyson? And Barkley is bigger than him 666 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 1: by a lot. He's six six, he's probably like to 667 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: eighty back at in Philly, Well maybe like two seventy sixty, 668 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 1: But um, I guess the last one I would ask, um, 669 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: have you heard from Barkley since the book drop? Will 670 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: you send him a book? Um? And I'm curious do 671 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: you think Shack told him, Hey, I I talked to 672 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 1: this guy about the book, and like, you know, yeah, 673 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: so I will will say I've I've tried my best 674 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: to update Charles is agents throughout this whole uh process. 675 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: He has stopped getting back to me if that's okay, 676 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: I totally yeah, I understand that, but I do plan 677 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: on send over to folks at Turner. I do have 678 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,439 Speaker 1: a Arles his home address to so like, I don't 679 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,400 Speaker 1: mind doing that at all. I tried to be um 680 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: as transparent throughout this whole deal as possible, because it 681 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: really is. I want to beat as comprehensive as possible 682 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:14,320 Speaker 1: on this, and I'll tell you, after interviewing hundreds of folks, 683 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,240 Speaker 1: it was the They mostly had a lot of positive 684 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: things to say. It's about Charles, so like, I can 685 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: only do what's out there. And and in terms of Shock, 686 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:34,279 Speaker 1: I'm extremely grateful to Shock for for not only um 687 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 1: uh sitting in for an interview, but also um uh 688 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:46,240 Speaker 1: giving a blurb and endorsement for my book, which appears 689 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 1: on my front cover. And I will say this, um 690 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 1: Shock and his people were extremely gracious a whole process, 691 00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:02,240 Speaker 1: and I told them, I'm like, look, Charles is not involved. 692 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 1: I I have pointed him to be involved, but he 693 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: knows what's going on. Here's who I interviewed. I also 694 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,919 Speaker 1: interviewed Jack's mom to uh, since and she was best 695 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: friends the Charles his mom back in the day so 696 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: um so because it kind of knew the time that 697 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: that I really did mean well and they did say 698 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 1: to check. We talked to Charles because if they um, 699 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: they were actually with each other the weekend before I 700 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: got the answer that he was going to actually give 701 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: a blurb event he sent it over and then I 702 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 1: celebrated here. Yeah, one last thing. He just came to 703 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,720 Speaker 1: me as you were telling that story. We had Peter 704 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 1: Vessey on the podcast. Jeez, I don't know if it 705 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,280 Speaker 1: was last year or two years ago, and he unloaded 706 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: on Barkley. I am curious. I mean he talked about 707 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,720 Speaker 1: in Phoenix and Barkley and strippers and I don't know orgies. 708 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,840 Speaker 1: It was crazy. I'm curious. Did you talk to Bessie 709 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: at all or did we each out to him. I 710 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 1: did talk to Bessie, Yes, it does. I did, because 711 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: as as it turns out, we uh um, my family 712 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 1: has had a place on the field Jersey Shore for 713 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 1: years and years and he only plays a few blocks away, 714 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 1: so we we had that link there. So um, I 715 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,880 Speaker 1: did talk to Peter because it was really important for 716 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: me to get his perspective on Charles. His first show 717 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 1: on Inside and it's his first year there, because um, uh, 718 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:50,280 Speaker 1: you could tell if anyone looks back on that first 719 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: episode of Inside It's Online, if both things there, who 720 00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,400 Speaker 1: could tell that it was either going to be Barkley 721 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 1: or Vessie. There was no possible way they could be 722 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 1: in Studio J for an entire year. And and as 723 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: it turned out, Peter asked off of the days that 724 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:21,320 Speaker 1: Charles would be in studio according to him, and short 725 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 1: after that, they did not knew his contract and and 726 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 1: and he said that that's one of the biggest regrets 727 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 1: of his life, honestly, because he knews he lost a 728 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,719 Speaker 1: ton of money. Yeah, I'm sure he left a ton. Uh, 729 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of irrelevant to everybody. I'm just curious. Having 730 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,400 Speaker 1: talked to Vessey on the podcast. He's an ornery mf'. 731 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,480 Speaker 1: Did you did you talk to him in person or 732 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 1: over the phone or zoom phone? Yes, okay, yeah I was. 733 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 1: I'm almost curious what he's like in person. Is he 734 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 1: as mouthy? Because I know he's a New Yorker and 735 00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 1: I get it out. I was born in New York too, Lady. 736 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:04,840 Speaker 1: She's all right, Tim, Yeah, I mean his columns for 737 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:10,359 Speaker 1: years on just opis took shots at Charles Barkley. If 738 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 1: you actually go back on the first episode, he compared 739 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 1: him to our it's your jewel, the the the shoe bomber. 740 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: Richard Jewel was the Olympics bomber. Right, he was not 741 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: the actual bomber himself, but he was blamed for it, right, yes, correct, yes, 742 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 1: that's right right right. So yeah, so if anybody does 743 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,480 Speaker 1: a side by side of Barkley and Jewel, they will 744 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:46,880 Speaker 1: see exactly what it sounds personal my gosh, yeah, all right, okay, 745 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,680 Speaker 1: Tim Timothy Bella Arthur of Barkley a biography. Um, sure 746 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna make a great Christmas present or Thanksgiving or 747 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,920 Speaker 1: Kwanza or whatever holiday you celebrate. I think this sounds 748 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:01,920 Speaker 1: like a great book, Tim, Thanks for taking the time man, 749 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 1: and good luck on the tour. UH promoted the book. 750 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,719 Speaker 1: Thank you so much again. Jason will appreciate it a lot.