Speaker 1: Welcome. It is a verdict.
Speaker 2: Was center Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you the breaking news.
Speaker 2: Biden's Department of Justice has indicted President Donald Trump yet
Speaker 2: again for new charges.
Speaker 1: Related to January the sixth.
Speaker 2: This is the same guy that's leading in the polls,
Speaker 2: in some polls by as much as fifty points. So
Speaker 2: why did this happen? Let's go through a quick timeline
Speaker 2: for you. June the seventh, the FBI released documents to
Speaker 2: Congress alleging that the Bidens took a ten million dollar
Speaker 2: bribe from Barisma. What happened the very next day, June eighth,
Speaker 2: Jack Smith indicted Trump in the Marlago document case. Fast
Speaker 2: forward to July the twenty sixth, Hunter Biden goes to
Speaker 2: court and rejects this sweetheart plea deal for the judge
Speaker 2: said uh uh, after it was revealed that the Biden
Speaker 2: Department of Justice tried to give Hunter Biden blanket immunity
Speaker 2: from all future prosecutions. The very next day, after that
Speaker 2: sweetheart deal fell apart, on July the twenty seventh, Jack
Speaker 2: Smith added more charges for Trump in the Marlago case.
Speaker 1: Move.
Speaker 2: Just a few days later, to July the thirty first, Hunter,
Speaker 2: Biden's former business partner testifies to Congress Devin Archer that
Speaker 2: Joe Biden was on over twenty calls with his son's
Speaker 2: business partners and that Barism executives pressured them to fire
Speaker 2: the prosecutor. What happened the very next day? Jack Smith
Speaker 2: indicts Trump again for more charges related to January the
Speaker 2: sixth Senator? Is there a coincidence with a day after
Speaker 2: day timeline I just gave you? Or is this possible
Speaker 2: retribution for how dare you challenge us?
Speaker 3: Look?
Speaker 4: Is it is not subtle and it's not complicated. This
Speaker 4: is straight out election interference by the Biden Department of Justice.
Speaker 4: We have talked at great length about how incredibly politicized
Speaker 4: the Department of Justice is. You're right, the timing every
Speaker 4: time there's a development on evidence of corruption or criminal
Speaker 4: misconduct by Hunter Biden were, in particular Joe Biden. The
Speaker 4: next day you see the Department of Justice try to
Speaker 4: change the narrative, try to break news. I am not
Speaker 4: surprised at all that this indictment came down yesterday. Why
Speaker 4: is that? Because they desperately wanted to drive off of
Speaker 4: the news. Devin Archer's testimony that was very bad for
Speaker 4: Joe Biden, and the best way to do it is
Speaker 4: to count on the useful idiots in the media who
Speaker 4: will happily echo their latest charges against Donald Trump. We
Speaker 4: are looking right now at three different indictments of Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: one state and two federal, and in all likelihood we'll
Speaker 4: see a fourth indictment of Donald Trump in Atlanta from
Speaker 4: another state prosecutor.
Speaker 1: This one was.
Speaker 4: Supposed to be the big, big Enchilada. This is the
Speaker 4: one that democrats and the corporate media have been salivating for.
Speaker 4: This was finally gonna get him. They are kept in
Speaker 4: a have and he is there, Moby Dick, and they
Speaker 4: want to get Donald Trump. And I gotta say I
Speaker 4: sat down and read this indictment and my biggest sentence
Speaker 4: was that it was thoroughly underwhelming. There's very little there.
Speaker 4: There's very little new in this indictment that you couldn't
Speaker 4: get reading the pages of the Washington Post in the
Speaker 4: days after the twenty twenty election leading up to January sixth,
Speaker 4: almost all of this has been covered in the newspapers.
Speaker 4: And essentially, what this indictment does is take all the facts,
Speaker 4: and in particular, they really really really don't like that
Speaker 4: Donald Trump alleged that there was voter fraud in the
Speaker 4: twenty twenty election and that it changed the outcome. Now
Speaker 4: I get that they don't like that, but not liking
Speaker 4: it is not the same as saying Trump saying that
Speaker 4: on Twitter, on any mountaintop from which you could say
Speaker 4: it is somehow criminal conduct. And I think, you know,
Speaker 4: looking at this, I was surprised, after all this investigation,
Speaker 4: after millions of dollars, after prosecutors with subpoena power, putting
Speaker 4: people at risk of going to jail, I was surprised
Speaker 4: that there wasn't a smoking gun in here. There wasn't
Speaker 4: something that frankly breaks news. At this point, the only
Speaker 4: news is Aha, they indicted him, and then they get
Speaker 4: to repeat everything they said for the last two years.
Speaker 4: This is a political indictment brought by a political prosecutor,
Speaker 4: working for a political attorney general, working for a political
Speaker 4: president who does not want to risk losing to Donald
Speaker 4: Trump in November of twenty twenty four. And what Joe Biden,
Speaker 4: what Merrick Garland, what Jack Smith? What all the apparaticks
Speaker 4: in the Biden Justice Department want? Is they want number one.
Speaker 4: They want Trump to win the Republican nomination, and they've
Speaker 4: now figured out every time they indict Trump, his numbers
Speaker 4: go up in the primary. That makes them really happy.
Speaker 4: They want Trump to be the nominee and the number two.
Speaker 4: Their nirvana is to have multiple criminal trials against Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: all proceeding ideally in September and October of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 4: and they believe they'll throw so much mud on the
Speaker 4: wall that Trump will be unelectable. That's their political objective.
Speaker 4: I understand why they have that political objective, but it's
Speaker 4: not the rule of law. It's not what the Department
Speaker 4: of Justice is supposed to be doing.
Speaker 2: My question for you and for so many Americans right
Speaker 2: now is how did we get to a point where
Speaker 2: this could even happen? And how is it possible that
Speaker 2: there can be this clear in a since transparency on
Speaker 2: the weaponization of the Department of Justice where it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: every single time there's bad news for the Biden crime family,
Speaker 2: immediately we indict Donald Trump, who is hands down the
Speaker 2: front runner now for the GOP nomination. Is this not
Speaker 2: political interference the worst we've ever seen in American modern
Speaker 2: political history? And is there anyone that can stop them
Speaker 2: from doing this. It is almost at this point mind boggling.
Speaker 2: Where we are as a country in the United States
Speaker 2: of America in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4: Well, unfortunately, we've entered Banana Republic territory. In over two
Speaker 4: centuries of our nation's history, no president of the United
Speaker 4: States has ever been indicted. We now have a former
Speaker 4: president who, as you knowed, is the leading opposition candidate
Speaker 4: to be the next president, who's been indicted not once,
Speaker 4: not twice, but three times, and in all likelihood it
Speaker 4: will be four times.
Speaker 1: That is, we're.
Speaker 4: Almost numb to how unprecedented that is. If you look
Speaker 4: at this latest indictment, the circumstances of it are highly problematic.
Speaker 4: This indictment has been brought in DC. The case was
Speaker 4: assigned to a federal district judge, a judge named Tanya Chutkin.
Speaker 4: Judge Chutkin was appointed to the DC District Court by
Speaker 4: Barack Obama, and she has a reputation for being far left,
Speaker 4: even by DC District court standards. Judge Chutkin, for example,
Speaker 4: has set aside numerous federal death penalty cases, and she
Speaker 4: is the only federal judge in Washington, d C. Who
Speaker 4: is sentenced January sixth. Defendants to sentences longer than the
Speaker 4: government requested. So in terms of the judge, we can
Speaker 4: anticipate a judge who is going to be relentlessly hostile
Speaker 4: to Donald Trump, who is going to bend over backwards
Speaker 4: for the Biden DOJ, and who is going to make
Speaker 4: ruling after ruling after ruling again against Trump. She wants
Speaker 4: this to go to trial. Not to be clear, she
Speaker 4: doesn't want this to go to trial now. She didn't
Speaker 4: want it to go to trial in a week. She
Speaker 4: didn't want to go trial in a month. DOJ wants
Speaker 4: Trump to get the nomination so this trial can't happen
Speaker 4: too quickly. They want it to happen after he's nominated,
Speaker 4: but before the general election. And I will tell you,
Speaker 4: if it goes to trial, you will have a jury
Speaker 4: that is drawn from the District of Columbia. The District
Speaker 4: of Columbia is the jurisdiction in the United States that
Speaker 4: is the most Democrat of any jurisdiction in the country
Speaker 4: in terms of a district or a state. Over ninety
Speaker 4: percent of the voters in DC vote Democrat, voted for
Speaker 4: Joe Biden, voted for Hillary Clinton. Consistently vote Democrat. They
Speaker 4: are not Donald Trump's supporters. The likelihood that a DC
Speaker 4: jury will vote to convict Donald Trump is exceptionally high,
Speaker 4: and the facts don't matter, the laws don't matter.
Speaker 1: They hate him.
Speaker 4: That's a big part of the reason why the Biden
Speaker 4: DOJ wants to bring this case in DC, which means
Speaker 4: with a far left judge and a far left jury,
Speaker 4: there is a very real possibility that Donald Trump ends
Speaker 4: up being convicted. Now, I think on appeal that conviction
Speaker 4: will not stand, but it might stand in the DC circuit.
Speaker 4: An appeal would go to the DC circuit. It would
Speaker 4: depend what panel you get on the DC circuit whether
Speaker 4: a conviction would stand. I think the ultimate outcome of
Speaker 4: any Donald Trump conviction on this indictment would be a
Speaker 4: reversal in all likelihood at the US Supreme Court. I
Speaker 4: would note the last time Jack Smith played this game,
Speaker 4: the last time Jack Smith indicted a serious, credible Republican
Speaker 4: presidential candidate, and pause for a second. Merrick Garland and
Speaker 4: DOJ found I think the only guy on the planet
Speaker 4: as far as i'm I know, who was previously indicted
Speaker 4: a leading candidate for president that was a Republican. They
Speaker 4: brought him back and said, hey, you did that so well,
Speaker 4: would you do it again. The last time Jack Smith
Speaker 4: did that was Bob McDonald, then the governor of Virginia.
Speaker 4: He got a conviction and it went all the way
Speaker 4: to the Supreme Court and it was unanimously reversed. But
Speaker 4: you know what, if that happens in this case, that'll
Speaker 4: be two three years from now, that'll be after the election.
Speaker 4: That will be with Bob McDonald. Jack Smith had done
Speaker 4: his job. The job was not to put him in jail.
Speaker 4: The job was to hurt him politically, to take him out,
Speaker 4: to destroy his career. And he succeeded in doing that,
Speaker 4: even though it was lawless. And what is dangerous about
Speaker 4: this particular indictment with a judge and a jury that
Speaker 4: are likely to be stacked against Donald Trump and in
Speaker 4: fact loathe Donald Trump. That is a very dangerous scenario.
Speaker 4: That is I think exceptionally bad a for the rule
Speaker 4: of law, but be for democracy. Whether you want Donald
Speaker 4: Trump to be the next president or not, that question
Speaker 4: should not be answered by a corrupt Department of Justice
Speaker 4: weaponizing the legal system.
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Speaker 2: This is about the timing. There was an interesting point
Speaker 2: that was made about the timing of this, and Jonathan
Speaker 2: Turley also talked about the disinformation aspect of this indictment.
Speaker 2: He said, it's all part of the First Amendment. Take
Speaker 2: a listen, and I want to get your take.
Speaker 5: And one of the things I was looking for is
Speaker 5: I assumed that Smith had this type of aha moment,
Speaker 5: that there's something in there that the January sixth Committee
Speaker 5: didn't find that supported we heard about witness tampering. It's
Speaker 5: not in there. I mean, everything in this indictment is
Speaker 5: basically what has been discussed in the news now. By
Speaker 5: the way, the other thing that is not in here
Speaker 5: is conspiracy for incitement not in here is a seditious conspiracy.
Speaker 5: Those were the claims the Democrats used in the impeachment
Speaker 5: and said that the evidence was absolutely clear people like
Speaker 5: Shift and others, that he's clearly guilty of those crimes.
Speaker 5: Well they're not in here. Instead, he's using the favorite
Speaker 5: of prosecutors, these type of conspiracy and obstruction claims.
Speaker 2: I mean, you hear Turley talk about that center, and
Speaker 2: before we get to even just some of the timing
Speaker 2: aspects of this, the way he's describing it is, this
Speaker 2: is an incredibly weak case to bring it forward. So
Speaker 2: is it not just to tie up Donald Trump from
Speaker 2: having to deal with this and to claim that he's,
Speaker 2: you know, under indictment, he's got a mug shot and
Speaker 2: that he could go to prison. You don't want that
Speaker 2: got to be your president. That's election interference one oh one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course it is. And they want to go
Speaker 4: even further. They want a conviction. You understand, this Department
Speaker 4: of Justice hates Donald Trump and they've given up any
Speaker 4: pretense of impartiality of objectivity. We've seen it with their
Speaker 4: complete double standard when it comes to Hunter Biden and
Speaker 4: his pattern of criminal conduct. We've seen it with their
Speaker 4: repeated willingness to obstruct justice and cover up investigations into
Speaker 4: Joe Biden. For them, partisan politics has superseded the responsibility
Speaker 4: of fidelity to law. A major reason I believe for
Speaker 4: the timing of it is because the Devon Archer testimony
Speaker 4: was incredibly damaging to Joe Biden. And look, let's give
Speaker 4: a real and practical example. So this podcast is coming
Speaker 4: out Wednesday morning. You and I got online to record
Speaker 4: it Tuesday afternoon. We had an entire podcast planned on
Speaker 4: Devon Archer, on the testimony that was given that was
Speaker 4: highly significant. That should have led the podcast. It should
Speaker 4: have led the news in any sane world, it would
Speaker 4: have led the six o'clock news everywhere. But as we're
Speaker 4: sitting there preparing for the podcast to come out Wednesday morning,
Speaker 4: we start getting over the phone information that Trump had
Speaker 4: tweeted out that he was going to be in at
Speaker 4: five pm. We were recording at about three pm, and
Speaker 4: we look at that and go, well, we can't record
Speaker 4: this if he's indicted at five pm, because the podcast
Speaker 4: will be ridiculous if it doesn't actually.
Speaker 6: Talk about that.
Speaker 4: So you know what it did for this podcast, It
Speaker 4: drove the Devon Archer story off the news. Now we're
Speaker 4: going to cover Devon Archer, but it pushed it to
Speaker 4: the second half of the podcast. And if this podcast
Speaker 4: gives in to that pressure, if it succeeds in driving
Speaker 4: Devon Archer off the front page here, what do you
Speaker 4: think it is doing on every single corporate media and
Speaker 4: TV news station. That was the objective, provide salacious news
Speaker 4: to cover up anything that hurts Joe Biden. I do
Speaker 4: not think it is an accident that this was handed
Speaker 4: down the day after the Devon Archer testimony. And mind you,
Speaker 4: and if you go back and listen to Monday at
Speaker 4: Monday's podcast, you know this. The Apartment of Justice this
Speaker 4: weekend sent a let to the court asking the court
Speaker 4: a different federal court, but the court that's considering the
Speaker 4: Devin Archer case and threaten him right before his congressional testimony.
Speaker 4: This is all part and parcel of the Department of
Speaker 4: Justice operating like the legal arm of the DNC.
Speaker 2: Center. It's not just that, but also the media now
Speaker 2: is really trying to rewrite the story of the corruption
Speaker 2: of Hunter Biden and the Hunter Biden criminal activity with
Speaker 2: the President of United States of America. They lied to
Speaker 2: the American people over and over again and helped sell
Speaker 2: the lie at the White House that Joe Biden never
Speaker 2: spoke to his son or any of his family members
Speaker 2: about business. Then they allowed that cover up of that
Speaker 2: lie to turn into well, Joe Biden was never in
Speaker 2: business with his family members or his son, Hunter Biden.
Speaker 2: And now they're saying that the President working the phones
Speaker 2: with Hunter biden business contacts is literally him just being
Speaker 2: a great dad. Now, virtually everybody in the mainstream media
Speaker 2: has been saying this over the last twenty four to
Speaker 2: forty eight hours.
Speaker 1: We've got a montage of it.
Speaker 6: Take a listend did nothing, nothing, not even approximating improper.
Speaker 1: Much less wrong or illegal.
Speaker 6: It's wishful thinking.
Speaker 1: They're trying to create a scandal.
Speaker 3: Think it's pretty clear, at least so far, there is
Speaker 3: nothing there.
Speaker 6: House Republicans continue their search for any proof at all
Speaker 6: tying President Joe Biden to his son Hunter's business dealings.
Speaker 6: Joe Biden had nothing to do with Hunter Biden's business dealings.
Speaker 7: Because they wanted they wanted dirty of Biden's name.
Speaker 6: Do you know Republicans have been trying to use Hunter
Speaker 6: Biden's behavior against the President did not know about anything
Speaker 6: that Hunter Biden was doing.
Speaker 8: Seeing that Biden was simply involved in his son's life
Speaker 8: in a personal capacity, Republicans from consistently trying to make
Speaker 8: this argument and create the illusion of some malfeasans being there.
Speaker 6: Spoke to business associates of Hunter Biden to say hello,
Speaker 6: to have small talk, casual conversation.
Speaker 9: Hunter Biden talked to his dad on the phone all
Speaker 9: the time. They talked basically every day. Sometimes Joe Biden
Speaker 9: would say hello to the people in the room if
Speaker 9: he popped in or on the phone or whatever.
Speaker 6: They saw casual conversation, niceties, the weather.
Speaker 8: They never discussed the business. These were more of just
Speaker 8: cordial hello types of conversations.
Speaker 9: Business was never discussed on those calls, and.
Speaker 8: There was more casual sort of check ins, casual conversations.
Speaker 3: President Biden might have said, hey, putting me on speakerphone,
Speaker 3: you know, are you having a business meeting? Like what
Speaker 3: is that about? But do you hang up on your
Speaker 3: front on your side?
Speaker 6: Bo Biden, Hunter's brother and President Biden's son was very
Speaker 6: ill with cancer and then passed away. That, as the
Speaker 6: witness today testified, was what these conversations and these calls
Speaker 6: were about and we should put this in context. This
Speaker 6: is the time when Bo Biden, the President's other son,
Speaker 6: was ill and then dying and then passed away.
Speaker 3: Very fraud and sad time for the Biden family, and
Speaker 3: we know how important family is to the president. They're
Speaker 3: doing Donald Trump's.
Speaker 6: They ain't going after Hunter Biden trying to create a
Speaker 6: tie to the president. This is a this is.
Speaker 9: A political move here, it is It is a politics thing,
Speaker 9: right inasmuch as it's anything else fair, Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think so.
Speaker 5: It does not appear to have been a directed business
Speaker 5: tie because right now, you don't see any conduct that's
Speaker 5: illegal that there is regulational law that's prohibiting it, even
Speaker 5: though it might be highly unethical. I don't see high crimes,
Speaker 5: and mister readers, I don't even see a low crime.
Speaker 5: I see a son who's using his father, people.
Speaker 7: With famous laugh names, using them for their own purposes.
Speaker 7: People in your families, they're near do wells. This is
Speaker 7: as old as time.
Speaker 1: Old as time that there's as much career.
Speaker 2: Biden working the phones with his son was just him
Speaker 2: being a great dad, right, Hunter Biden talking to us
Speaker 2: down the phone all the time.
Speaker 1: They talk basically every day.
Speaker 2: Sometimes Joe would say hello to people in the room
Speaker 2: if he popped in or on the phone, whatever.
Speaker 1: Right, this is their exact words.
Speaker 2: The media is lying to you like they would cover
Speaker 2: up for communists in China, for Vladimir Putin and Russia.
Speaker 2: And they're doing it all synchronized, just like that music,
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