WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 070922 Sixty Police Bullets Fired Into Jayland Walker (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another episode of Civic Zacher. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>ramses Jah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also your host, but not ramses Jah. He calls

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<v Speaker 2>me q Stella, calls me q dirty. That's the story

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell another day.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that we are back to broadcast the balance

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<v Speaker 1>and to defend the discourse. And as you know, we've

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<v Speaker 1>had an interesting week, an interesting couple of weeks, but

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<v Speaker 1>this past week has been more of the same. Unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>and per usual. We're here to make heads and tails

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<v Speaker 1>of it the best we can. Stick around. We have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot in store for you today. We're of course,

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<v Speaker 1>of course going to talk about Jalen Walker, the young

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<v Speaker 1>man who was shot who throw sixty times.

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<v Speaker 2>They attempted to shoot him ninety times.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. That was in Ohio and Akron, So obviously we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to break that down, address it and hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>give you the tools that you'll need to have the

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<v Speaker 1>conversations in your communities that we need to have. You

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<v Speaker 1>can take this information into spaces that we can't and

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully we'll give you what you need to be the

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<v Speaker 1>best ally that you can be. We're also going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the latest mass shooting as of this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>the recording of this episode in Chicago. It took place

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<v Speaker 1>on the fourth of July. And really we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with the juxtaposition of how these two people were

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<v Speaker 1>pursued by law enforcement. It's heavy stuff, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's what we're here to do, is to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So stick around. We have that and a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>in store for you. But let's start off on a

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<v Speaker 1>positive note. Q, how do you feel about some ebony excellence?

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<v Speaker 2>You know how I feel about some abny excellence. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely needed and necessary. All right, let's talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So a name you know very well, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>brought to you by Amadel Lockin. Katanji Brown Jackson. She

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<v Speaker 2>has formally joined the Supreme Court. I'll read a bit

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<v Speaker 2>from CNN. Justice Katanji Brown Jackson joined the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 2>on Thursday, making history as the first female African American justice,

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<v Speaker 2>in beginning what could be a decade's long tenure.

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<v Speaker 1>After her confirmation. In a stirring speech in the South

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<v Speaker 1>Lawn in April, Jackson noted that in her family quote,

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<v Speaker 1>it took just one generation to go from segregation to

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court of the United States. It's an honor

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<v Speaker 1>of a lifetime. Obviously we've talked about her being you know, recommended, confirmed,

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<v Speaker 1>and then obviously we have to talk about her actually

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<v Speaker 1>being sworn in as a justice. This is a win

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<v Speaker 1>for black girls everywhere, and if you're a longtime listener

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<v Speaker 1>of this show, you know we we do our best

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<v Speaker 1>to celebrate black girl magic as often as we can.

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<v Speaker 1>So we salute you, Judge Katanji Brown Jackson for making history.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, obviously the Supreme Court is in the

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<v Speaker 1>news for a lot of other things, and hopefully she'll

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<v Speaker 1>bring some perspective. You know, we'll see, we'll see so

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<v Speaker 1>much needed perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wish there was more she could do. The

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<v Speaker 2>way that the court is set up grossly imbalanced right

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<v Speaker 2>now intentionally and they're doing a lot to set us back. Yeah, generations.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really discouraging, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Again good to know that moving forward there will be

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<v Speaker 1>someone who can at least affirm our humanity and the

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<v Speaker 1>humanity of black women. If nothing more moving on Jalen Walker. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we understand that some folks this might be

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<v Speaker 1>the only news source that you get. Right. For many people,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously you've heard the name Jalen Walker, but for those

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<v Speaker 1>who haven't will paint the picture a bit for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Here a young man was fleeing police. He as he

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<v Speaker 1>was fleeing, I believe the police were pursuing him for

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<v Speaker 1>a I think it was a traffic infraction or a

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<v Speaker 1>registration something like that. Nothing serious, right, same police. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>as police do, they call more enforcement officers to help

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<v Speaker 1>in the pursuit. They say that they heard a shot

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<v Speaker 1>and noticed a muzzle flash outside the window when the

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<v Speaker 1>when Jalen was driving on the freeway, which altered their

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<v Speaker 1>rules of engagement, is what they say. They have a

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to hear the reason why. I got a

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<v Speaker 1>whole theory on this, which, by the way, if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear my thoughts in depth, be sure to

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<v Speaker 1>check out the Black Information Network Daily podcast. It's on iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>I go into a lot of detail about this because

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<v Speaker 1>this one was a little troubling for me. But long

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<v Speaker 1>and short of it is, he's fleeing the police. He

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<v Speaker 1>ends up, you know, stopping his car, jumping out of

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<v Speaker 1>his car, and fleeing officers. I think early reports said

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<v Speaker 1>that he had a ski mask on. Officers thought that

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<v Speaker 1>he was running toward them, and he ended up getting

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<v Speaker 1>being shot by all the officers who were there pursuing him,

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<v Speaker 1>and they let off ninety round sixty of them actually

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<v Speaker 1>striking him, and then they went handcuffed him, and then

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<v Speaker 1>his handcuffed body. I have a note here arrived at

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<v Speaker 1>the medical examiner's office, according to the autopsy report that

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<v Speaker 1>comes from CNN, So for those that don't know, that

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<v Speaker 1>is the story. There. Now some other details that I

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<v Speaker 1>learned is that officers, you know, report that they discovered

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<v Speaker 1>a handgun in the car. But in addition to the handgun,

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<v Speaker 1>they discovered a wedding band. And according to the family,

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen Walker had just lost his either fiance or wife

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, and was not really in the best

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<v Speaker 1>space as you can probably imagine, right. And what I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to do is give excuses for anybody. You'll

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<v Speaker 1>never hear me give excuses or the police, but I

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<v Speaker 1>do play Devil's advocate because I've realized it's necessary. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to give excuses for Jalen Walker, but I

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<v Speaker 1>do believe that context is important, and once enough context

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<v Speaker 1>is applied, we start to see that, hey, there is

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<v Speaker 1>a system and it is kind of stacked against us.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need to do anyone any favors. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to do ja any favors here because we will

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<v Speaker 1>juxtapose this on the other part of the show, in

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<v Speaker 1>the other half. But you'll see that the way that

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<v Speaker 1>black people are engaged is very different. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one such person is able to explain their actions to

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<v Speaker 1>their family and to the public and to a judge

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<v Speaker 1>and have their day in court. One person lost their

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<v Speaker 1>life in a field somewhere in Ohio. So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want this to sound like I'm doing anything like that,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's important to know about that, that wedding ring thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's important to know that, you know, he had a

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<v Speaker 1>gun in the car, he left it in the car

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<v Speaker 1>as he fled. But you know, a lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>the story starts with, well why did he run? Now,

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<v Speaker 1>remember his crime was some sort of traffic crime or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, something like that. It wasn't. It wasn't like

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<v Speaker 1>they were pursuing him as a suspect of a murder

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<v Speaker 1>or robbery or something like that, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get why that would matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it doesn't. But I think it's important to note

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of times people think, well, he was

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<v Speaker 1>running because he had done some thing, or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was you know whatever. What I'm trying to establish

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<v Speaker 1>is that it is very possible to just be afraid

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<v Speaker 1>because they're police and they have guns. We've shared stories

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<v Speaker 1>about how that looks. I know that I've shared a story.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember the story when I was younger, when I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to get and I woke up early for school.

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<v Speaker 1>It was some while ago when I was still in school.

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<v Speaker 1>But I went to get an inhaler for my cousin Danny,

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<v Speaker 1>and the police pulled me over after I left the

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<v Speaker 1>ATM and they pulled me out of my car with

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<v Speaker 1>a gun. And I had done nothing wrong. I had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea what was going on, you know that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. It's one thing if I had actually done

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<v Speaker 1>something and I was you know whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But I still don't get why that would matter.

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<v Speaker 1>What I mean is that minor infractions can result in

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<v Speaker 1>someone fleeing. Because after that happened to me, I became

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<v Speaker 1>very afraid of the police. You know they say your

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<v Speaker 1>life flashes before your eyes. That happened to me when

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<v Speaker 1>they said lift up your hands, lift up your shirt,

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<v Speaker 1>and turn around slowly, and as I rotated by the door,

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<v Speaker 1>of my car at nineteen years old, and I saw

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<v Speaker 1>all those guns pointed at me. It traumatized me, and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought because they said to me, if you make

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<v Speaker 1>any sudden movements, we will kill you. They didn't say

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<v Speaker 1>we will shoot you. If you make any sudden movements,

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<v Speaker 1>we will kill you. I'm nineteen going to school and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yo, what's going on. So after that getting

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<v Speaker 1>engaged by the police, it framed it like, Yo, these

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<v Speaker 1>people are here to kill me, you understand. So even

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<v Speaker 1>if there's a traffic infraction and I've done nothing wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Lord, let this cut pass over me. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the reason why I keep asking why it

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<v Speaker 2>matters is because we have examples where the perpetrator did

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<v Speaker 2>do some awful crime and ran for that reason, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I still got arrested and went to court. So I

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<v Speaker 2>guess that's why I keep asking.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm glad you're asking a question because that's important.

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<v Speaker 2>Why that matters, it's why we use that as these

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<v Speaker 2>was if it means something, You're absolutely right, And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad you said that because that's the same thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to establish now.

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<v Speaker 1>Him fleeing the police. You know, people well, why was

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<v Speaker 1>he running? He wasn't guilty of something. Well, we see

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<v Speaker 1>that the traffic crimes is not a thing about guilt

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<v Speaker 1>or innocence. It's an infraction, right. But you know people

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<v Speaker 1>will ask that question, certainly folks on the right, folks

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<v Speaker 1>that if this conversation comes up in your life, you

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<v Speaker 1>know they'll ask, well, he shouldn't have been running, if

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't have anything, if he met he wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>threat and whatever, he shouldn't have been running. Why do

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<v Speaker 1>they always run? Right? But we as a people have

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<v Speaker 1>been traumatized. I have been, as an individual, been traumatized

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<v Speaker 1>by the police. The police are not the good guys

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<v Speaker 1>in my story. The police are a part of society,

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<v Speaker 1>some good, some bad. But I don't paint with broad

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<v Speaker 1>strokes there because I've seen the police do awful things

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<v Speaker 1>to people. So I saw it since I was little.

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<v Speaker 1>The LAPD do really mean things to people and take

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<v Speaker 1>stuff from take them money, and then send them on

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<v Speaker 1>their way, no rest, no nothing, no paperwork, just bullies.

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<v Speaker 1>Saw it happen, you know what I mean. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>happened other times in my life too. Now, if you

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<v Speaker 1>have had this sort of experience and then you see

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<v Speaker 1>those lights behind you, you might know, Okay, well I shoot,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a gun in the car or whatever. If

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<v Speaker 1>I pull over, that might be the end of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be your gun. It could not be your gun.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's a scary predicament to be in. Shoot I

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<v Speaker 1>switch lanes without a signal, but I have my gun here.

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<v Speaker 1>I could be the most legal person in the world, upstanding.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen it happen many times, the panic, Okay, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>shoot if I pull over. There's one hundred chance that

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<v Speaker 1>these people are going to flip out when they find

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<v Speaker 1>out I have a weapon, and they will be justified

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<v Speaker 1>in doing whatever they are going to do. And what

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<v Speaker 1>happens when you are confronted with that, those circumstances and

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of adrenaline rush that comes over you when

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<v Speaker 1>you realize that your life might be in danger. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a nervous system response. It's called fight or flight. We

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that on the show. Some people choose to

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<v Speaker 1>all right, well, if this is my moment, then I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to go down fighting, and some people say, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want this to be my moment. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>try to get away from this as much as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Any creature with consciousness and a nervous system has that capability. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how we've managed to survive as different species,

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<v Speaker 1>and certainly as human beings have managed to survive. So

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<v Speaker 1>why would you run? Well, there's a lot of trauma, there,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of reason to be afraid. So some people ask, well,

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<v Speaker 1>why does he have a gun? It's not illegal to

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<v Speaker 1>have a gun? Qu you have guns, multiple not illegal? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Who told you to get the guns? An officer of

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<v Speaker 1>the law? How about that? Right now? You recognize that

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<v Speaker 1>if an officer of the law pulled you over and

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<v Speaker 1>you happen to have a gun with you in the car,

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<v Speaker 1>the optics of the narrative are quite different.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Which is which is why I was so unequipped

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<v Speaker 2>when the gentleman attempted to kidnap my son fear of

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<v Speaker 2>being pulled over while carrying the gun that the officer

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<v Speaker 2>suggested I purchased real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to establish this again for those that don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>In a recent episode, Q detailed and attempted kidnapping of

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<v Speaker 1>his son in front of a grocery store. We we

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<v Speaker 1>both live in Arizona, so we're near the border, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's been a string of kidnappings I believe. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you could explain a little bit better, and I can. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, even after I filed a police report to

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<v Speaker 2>which there was no investigation, I went back to the scene,

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<v Speaker 2>I went back to that grocery store, and as I'm

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<v Speaker 2>explaining to the manager what happened, another family described the

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<v Speaker 2>exact same situation and described the exact same people in

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<v Speaker 2>the exact same car, neither of which anything was done about.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, that would have been in a time when having

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<v Speaker 1>maybe having your gun and being able to protect your

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<v Speaker 1>family might have been the right move for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, except I'm terrified to carry the weapon that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to own. How about because I don't want to die?

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, and why don't Who would be the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest threat to you if you had a gun on

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<v Speaker 2>your person. The City of Mesa police departments.

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<v Speaker 1>There is where I live. So this is our reality,

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<v Speaker 1>barring listen, it doesn't even matter what the numbers are.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even go to numbers. This is our perceived reality.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is our reality for all intents and purposes. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>if Jalen has a gun in his car, legally or illegally,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of Black people live in parts of the

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<v Speaker 1>country that are very rough, but not because of anything

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<v Speaker 1>that black folks have done. We outline all of the

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<v Speaker 1>systemic issues that have a direct influence on how Black

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<v Speaker 1>people end up more often in impoverished circumstances. Housing discrimination

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<v Speaker 1>is one redlining, you know. Disenfranchised voting is another one.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the war on drugs. Environmental racism is another one.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the the unfair allotment of the GI Bill

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<v Speaker 1>that really impacted the wealth in this country. Over policing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, judiciary, sentencing, and on and on. That list

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<v Speaker 1>goes systemic issues that create things like ghettos that create,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, impoverished circumstances for one group of people specifically right,

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<v Speaker 1>and those environments that that one group of people or

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes two groups of people. Because our Hispanic or otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>Latin brothers and sisters are often neighbors with us in

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<v Speaker 1>these communities melanated more often than not. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not forgetting our indigenous brothers and sisters. I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not, you know, but you know, in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>a huge chunk of the population black and brown, that's

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<v Speaker 1>really what we're talking about here. I'm not trying to

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<v Speaker 1>overlook anyone. But those circumstances are very, very rough. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not enough. There's economic inequality, which is often the

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<v Speaker 1>basis more often than not the majority of the time,

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<v Speaker 1>it's economic inequality that is the basis for crimes in

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<v Speaker 1>these communities. It's the poverty itself that is the catalyst

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<v Speaker 1>for these crimes. And when there's crime in the community,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people feel like they need to protect

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<v Speaker 1>themselves from that crime. And a lot of people feel like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if I can have a gun, this country allows me

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<v Speaker 1>the right to have a gun and protect myself. Or

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<v Speaker 1>even if that's not their thinking, if the other people

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<v Speaker 1>have a gun that are in this community and they're

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<v Speaker 1>robbing and taking and whatever because they're trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out how they're going to feed their babies or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it is, you know, I need to have one too

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<v Speaker 1>because I have to protect my interests as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So have an exact explanation that was given to me.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, there are guns, so you should have one,

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<v Speaker 2>Like no one should have one, but since everyone else

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<v Speaker 2>has one, you probably should.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I personally, I must say, I feel like that's

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<v Speaker 1>the little bit of fear mongering. That the country has

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<v Speaker 1>done to the population or I don't want to say

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<v Speaker 1>the country, but really gun people, and they've really created

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<v Speaker 1>a reality because that is true to you. You're right,

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<v Speaker 1>they've created a reality out of stoking people's fears and

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<v Speaker 1>playing to people's ignorance because most people, at least at

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<v Speaker 1>one point time didn't have guns. I still believe most

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<v Speaker 1>people don't have guns. Right now, I read a statistic

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<v Speaker 1>that a very small amount of the population actually does

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<v Speaker 1>own guns.

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<v Speaker 2>And just are more guns than people.

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<v Speaker 1>Right But where we live in the American Southwest, where

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<v Speaker 1>it's the wild West, very much still.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we have a government that's trying desperately to turn

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<v Speaker 2>the entire country into the wild West. So we're relaxing

0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:59.800
<v Speaker 2>gun laws, relaxing the protection, relaxing the background checks, relaxing

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<v Speaker 2>the red tape you have to go through to carry.

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<v Speaker 2>As we're relaxing all these things making it easier to

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<v Speaker 2>get a gun. And the idea of gun control is

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<v Speaker 2>being laughed at by the people who we vote for

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<v Speaker 2>to protect us. But it's another conversation for another show.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you start to see how the circumstances might compel

0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:30.080
<v Speaker 1>a person to own a gun, So why did he

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<v Speaker 1>have a gun? I think that there's this strange phenomenon

0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:35.879
<v Speaker 1>that happens in this country, whereas if you have a gun,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a man with a gun, right, it's your

0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:46.320
<v Speaker 1>second Amendment, right, God and guns, and George Washington, of

0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:48.720
<v Speaker 1>course I have I have two guns. Right. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a black man and you have a gun, then

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden you're criminals somehow, right, black men

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<v Speaker 1>and guns is criminal. But you know, white men and

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<v Speaker 1>gun is that's America textbook. So we need to rethink

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<v Speaker 1>that as well. But you know, he has a gun.

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<v Speaker 1>And in terms of the shot fired on the freeway,

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<v Speaker 1>if in fact that's what that was, you know, but

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<v Speaker 1>let's for the sake of argument say that it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I think when you're driving on the freeway, the speed

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<v Speaker 1>can kill you. I know a thing or two about speed. Now, shoot,

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<v Speaker 1>you got a couple of fast cars, so I know

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<v Speaker 1>you know about speed too. The speed will kill you.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're looking around, you know, that's really where

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<v Speaker 1>you're not running away from someone. If you are set

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<v Speaker 1>on dying, you know what I mean, if you're suicidal, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're speeding, it's very difficult to get a

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<v Speaker 1>shot off, especially a shot in the opposite direction from

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<v Speaker 1>where you're going. You know. But let's say, for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>he was suicidal in a dark place, you know, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>he has every there's everything here that points to the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that that's really a possibility. You know, he left

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<v Speaker 1>the ring in the car, that's a statement in and

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<v Speaker 1>of itself. The band, the wedding band, he left it

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<v Speaker 1>in the car with the gun and the clip outside

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<v Speaker 1>of the gun. Right, So if that shot goes off, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>is that shot pointed at anyone? I'm not saying the

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<v Speaker 1>police shouldn't be afraid for their life, get it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a tough job, a tough situation to being Hang

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<v Speaker 1>on me, let me say it. Don't forget it though

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<v Speaker 1>I want to hear it. But was that shot for himself?

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<v Speaker 1>Was that shot an accident? Was he trying to take

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<v Speaker 1>the you know what I mean? Just as simple? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows? Right? I get that the police, if they

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<v Speaker 1>feel like they heard a shot, they have to engage

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<v Speaker 1>a different way. But I think that the way that

0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:09.440
<v Speaker 1>we're engaging, it's almost the same thing I say every show.

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<v Speaker 1>The way that we're engaging doesn't account for the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that human beings deserve the right to live. Right, The

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<v Speaker 1>ready assumption is that they're trying to kill me. My

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<v Speaker 1>job is to catch them, and if they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>kill me, I'm gonna kill them. And that we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>obviously more often than not, that that's not the case

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<v Speaker 1>at all. Now go ahead, please, It's.

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<v Speaker 2>Just not how they feel and we know better. And

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<v Speaker 2>this effort made by us to extend some benefit of

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<v Speaker 2>the doubt that's not deserved. Right, the idea that the

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<v Speaker 2>gun shot made them afraid so they pursued different It didn't,

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<v Speaker 2>and they.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't they were pursuing that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, These gentlemen with assault rifles who are shooting people

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<v Speaker 2>when the police arrive are not killed. They're not pursued

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<v Speaker 2>in this way. They're not shot at ninety times. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a great point, Like we we go out of our

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<v Speaker 2>way to be fair, for what who are we creating

0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:10.399
<v Speaker 2>this facade of benefit of the doubt? For we have

0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:14.680
<v Speaker 2>so much evidence to the contrary. It's exhausting for us

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<v Speaker 2>to keep trying to be the ones to be fair

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<v Speaker 2>in the way that we talk about things that are

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<v Speaker 2>so blatantly not fair. Right, The officers in Texas arrived

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<v Speaker 2>while this young man was killing people. They heard it,

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<v Speaker 2>they witnessed it, they were there. He was still arrested

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<v Speaker 2>without harm, scratch or bruise. While was this young man

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<v Speaker 2>who had a gun, whether he fired it or not,

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<v Speaker 2>shot at ninety times while running away. The answer is

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly obvious. But when we say it, it's received. When

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<v Speaker 2>we say it's received different than as just blatant factual truth,

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<v Speaker 2>Well said,