1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: He's the huddle every Thursday from noon to two. Appreciated 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: by Big Fruit four. Welcome into the Huddle with Dave Wiman, 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: Jake Keats, and Stacy Roskeet. You guys ready for a 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: Thursday night game against the Arizona Cardinals. Dave, I feel 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: like we were just with you. Short turnaround for us. 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: I know, man, it's a it's a quick one, but 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: you know, considering the results that we had, Uh, it's 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: better to get past this one. Yeah. Maybe a good thing, 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: And I don't want to make us linger on it, 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: but we do have to just take a couple of 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: minutes to look back at this loss in La. You guys, So, Dave, 12 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and start with you. Um, can Russell 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: get right after this? I mean, that didn't look like 14 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: a Russell Wilson that I know out on that field. Yeah, 15 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: but you know, it's always shocking when he throws a pick, 16 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,959 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's just he's such a good 17 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: decision maker. And and the thing that we've been talking 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: about on Wyman and Bob is the boy that seems 19 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: really weird. Me saying my own name there, It's like 20 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: I'm referring to myself in the third person. But you know, 21 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: one of the things is that he's so gifted and 22 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: he has that kind of talent. So and then there's 23 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: a category that I like to talk about called the 24 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: cost of doing business. You know, it's like Michael Bennett 25 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: jumping off sides, you know. I mean, he's a really 26 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: good pass rusher. You're going to take a few of those. 27 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: And I think with Russ he's throwing more now and 28 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: so and also I don't know that he's not pressing 29 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: and that Jake I think probably could could answer that 30 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: better than anybody that you know. I mean, you you 31 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: kind of feel the way to the world on your shoulders. 32 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: I would think with him, Yes, I said, you know, 33 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: after watching the tape over the last two weeks, Dave, 34 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: it's the number one thing that I see, and it's 35 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: totally foreign because what Russell has done so well through 36 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: his career has been able to have a very singular focus, 37 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: a very singular purpose in his play. And it's really 38 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: been a drive to drive mentality, you know, good, bad 39 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: or ugly. You know, it's a drive to drive mentality 40 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: and not worrying about what else is going on. In 41 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: the last two weeks and you know, you can look 42 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: at different factors as to why this is, but feeling 43 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: like you've got to do everything humanly possible to score 44 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: on every drive and make things happen for you, to 45 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: give your your team the best chance to win, and 46 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: and I And it's human nature right in this situation 47 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: that they're in, with their defense, the way it's playing 48 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: without the you know, having Chris Carson Carlos hide out there, 49 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: it's human nature to to to feel that way. We're 50 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: just not accustomed to seeing it because Russell isn't like 51 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: everybody else, right, So it's it's a really weird position 52 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: to be in. But sometimes these things are you look 53 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: for the silver lining. And if there's anything that I 54 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: know about Russell is he's a He's so great at 55 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: reassessing himself and fix problems. He is a guy who 56 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: fixes things extremely well. Whether it's you know, his deep ball, 57 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: whether it's you know, his balance in the pocket, you know, 58 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: whether it's you know, X, Y and Z. He he's 59 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: a fixer. And I think that, you know, sometimes when 60 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: you have these moments, it leads to fixing the problem. 61 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: And so I'm really hopeful and optimistic that it gets done. Dave, 62 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: because as you mentioned before, this this doesn't happen, you know, 63 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: and and they need they need to get back to 64 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: what they do best. Yeah, Dave, when I'm looking at 65 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: this this offense, uh, there is a chance. Now, I 66 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: don't want to say there's a good chance, but Tyler 67 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: Lockett is day to day with a knee and jury. 68 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: Jake and I were talking a bit earlier today about 69 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: what this offense could look like without him. I don't 70 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: know that you get Chris Carson back this week when 71 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: you're looking at the matchup just between these two teams, 72 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: and I know now I'm looking ahead and not back 73 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: in LA. But when you're looking at the matchup between 74 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: this offense potentially without Tyler Lockett or Chris Carson against 75 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: the Cardinals defense, how much is that affecting your confidence? 76 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: Because the Cardinals defense, you know, objectively, is a worse 77 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: defense than the Rams. But how are you feeling about that? Well? 78 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it just always is such a blow to 79 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: your team when you have you know, I think the 80 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: most depressed I was was the game where Marquise Blair 81 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: and Bruce Irvan went out. Yeah, I guess maybe it was. 82 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: Was it later in the game. I think that that Bruceton, 83 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: they both go out in that same Patriot game, I believe. Yeah, 84 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: I was close to each other too. Yeah yeah. So 85 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: I mean it's just and I really think that the 86 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: killer on offense, and not just for just the offense, 87 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: but the whole team is Chris Carson because I just 88 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: that guy has a toughness and I feel like, even 89 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: if you're on defense watching him out on the field, 90 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: and that's one of the things that I think they 91 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: need to get back to, is the aggression of you know, 92 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: playing defense and hitting people and taking on guards, knocking 93 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: receivers down. And you know, I'm gonna do a little 94 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: football one on one thing on a Minnesota Viking corner 95 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: last night. I turned it on during our show and 96 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: I see him just abuse this outside receiver just you know, 97 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: knock him into the play. And I mean, like that's 98 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: how it all starts with that. And Chris Carson is 99 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: the guy that is sort of the leader, like, you know, 100 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: he's the hitting czar on the team. Man. He that 101 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: guy is you know, he's just inspirational. And so that 102 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: that's one guy they're really missing. But yeah, Tyler Lockett, 103 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he's we forget about him. It's funny. 104 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: There's been a few games where it's like they've they've 105 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: had similar good performances, but there's been a few times 106 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: where they compliment each other where you know the game 107 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: where Tyler has two hundred against Arizona, and that's another 108 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: reason why you want him out there. He has good 109 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: luck against this defense. But um, you know in that game, 110 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: I want to say that Deca had like thirty five 111 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: forty something like that, and then it'll be the other 112 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: way around sometimes where k will have one hundred and 113 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: fifty and he'll have forty five fifty. So yeah, it's 114 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: he's really important and just another weapon that you're taking 115 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: away from Russ. So that just it's a killer if 116 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: if they're not able to get him going. But man, 117 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: it sure is a short turnaround. I mean we're sitting 118 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: here going, jeez, we gotta you know, go through this stuff. 119 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: I mean we're just sitting on our rare ends and 120 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: talking about it. Right, these guys got to go out 121 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: there and play a physical football game, right. It was 122 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: funny to see the injury report Dave yesterday and you 123 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: got all these people on it or uh, you know, 124 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: it's an estimation of an injury report. Typically during a 125 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: normal work week, you get Monday and Tuesday to rest 126 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: and recover and to do all your rehab before you 127 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: get up for practice. And it's a totally different attitude 128 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: right now. But Dave, I want to come back to 129 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: the thought that you had there of the defense getting 130 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: back to being physical and going being aggressive and hitting 131 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: and all those things. It's strange because Pete Carroll's defense, 132 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: in its style and its philosophy overall, is to keep 133 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: things simple so guys can run and fly around and 134 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: just play and do that and play fast, right, And 135 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: you're seeing guys who really are are thinking a lot 136 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: or overthinking, like at the beginning of the drive. Are 137 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the game, the first drive you 138 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: see Trey Flowers, it's covered two. He's got a hitch 139 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: to his flat area and he's bailing when Jamal Adams 140 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: has help over the top. You know, what are some 141 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: of those disc connects that you see there and how 142 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: can they get back to that? Yeah, that's a great question. 143 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: I mean we've been asking that all along. I do 144 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: see that players need to play together. But you know, 145 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: as much as we talk about that everybody's going through 146 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: the same thing right now. I mean maybe not the 147 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: you know, the injuries and things like that. You know, 148 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: Jamal has not gotten a chance to kind of get going, 149 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: but he, you know, he just there's been some head 150 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: scratching place where I don't you mentioned that, Jake. Maybe 151 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: they're thinking too much and maybe they're trying to do 152 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: too much. But there was a running play that went 153 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 1: for about fifteen yards where it was just a very easy, 154 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: like fill situation for Bobby Wagner and and he stopped 155 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: in the middle of the play like he was waiting 156 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: for something to come back the other way or something, 157 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: and then he ended up cutting off Jamal Adams. It 158 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: was just such a strange thing to see that, you know, 159 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: and whereas it was just really it looked like he 160 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: could just run up there and either take on the 161 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: guard or you know, possibly make contact with the ball carrier, 162 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: and he just stops and then, you know, you see 163 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: a lot of that kind of stuff. And to me, 164 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: it's always like if I think it's always goes back 165 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: to this game is still about hitting, and you know, 166 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: and as much as the NFL wants to penalize people 167 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: for that and find them and everything. It's what makes 168 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: it great, and it's it's it's a tough game. And 169 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: that's why these guys get paid so much, is because 170 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: not everybody wants to do it. You know, you might 171 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: want to go out there and you know, play and 172 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: get paid and all that, but if it involves you know, 173 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: going and running into a guy like Chris Carson, I 174 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of risk there and there's a 175 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: lot a lot of people that are crazy enough to 176 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: do that, you know. So to me, that's where it 177 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: all gets back to that is this is a physical game. 178 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: Be physical. So and that's what they were against San Francisco. 179 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: You guys saw that, right, I mean, Stacy that that 180 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: was different than anything that we had seen the you know, 181 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: the prior three four games. So that's that's always I 182 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 1: think a place. I know it's a very simplistic answer up, 183 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: but I don't think it's scheme and I don't think 184 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: that it's talent. Yeah, no, that's well, sad day, I 185 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 1: think it's a great answer. Um, all right, we've got 186 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: an opponent preview coming up at twelve thirty, so we'll 187 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: get you guys all familiar with the Cardinals everything you 188 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: need to know. But first, host of the Seahawks pre 189 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: and postgame show, Jen Yueler, is going to join us 190 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: and she'll give us an injury update on where the 191 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: Seahawks stand this week and a few key for the 192 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: game on Seattle side of the ball. That's next. This 193 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: is the Huddle appresented by Bickford Ford every Thursday from 194 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: noon to two on seven ten ESPN Seattle. You're listening 195 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: to the Huddle with Dave Wyman, Jay Keeps and Stacy Ross. 196 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: Joining us right now to get us ready for this 197 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,599 Speaker 1: upcoming Thursday night game. Is Jen Mueller, host of the 198 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: Seahawks pre and postgame show? Hey? Jen? How are you hello? 199 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: I am well, although I'm looking at it, it is 200 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: suddenly pouring down rain now. Oh no, is it was 201 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: sunny ten minutes ago? What happened? I hate? You know what? 202 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: I love fall. I love fall more than anything. I 203 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: hate the weather. Holidays, amazing weather, gross not here for us? 204 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: You know what this is? I realized that we need 205 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: to talk football. But this might be my biggest challenge 206 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: in fifteen years. I am not traveling at all, and 207 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: I could always count on getting away. Twenty fourteen hours 208 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: and there would be sun somewhere exactly going, but there 209 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: would be sun. You could have had a nice I mean, okay, sorry, guys, sorry, 210 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: we'll stop. I know, all right to talk about that, well, 211 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: I mean there's something that's invigorating about that though day 212 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,599 Speaker 1: in the rain, the wind. It makes me feel like 213 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: a real tough gal. All right, Well you are a 214 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: tough gal, Jen, And so I'm going to ask you 215 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: about a couple of these injuries. Hopefully some players can 216 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: tough it out. We'll see, uh. And then we're obviously 217 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: going to get your preview, your keys to the game, 218 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: all that good stuff. So just to run through a 219 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: couple of these, I guess it's good news that And 220 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: again this was an estimated participation in practice. Good news 221 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,599 Speaker 1: that Jamal Adams would would have been a full participant. 222 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: I am worried, though, Jen, about Tyler Lockett potentially being 223 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: out this week. I mean, what's your sense of how 224 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: how far along or or how ready Chris Carson and 225 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: Lockett specifically could be by this Thursday. You know, I 226 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: will have a much better idea after I get a 227 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: chance to watch some practice today to see what both 228 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: of those guys look like. The fact that we didn't 229 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: hear about Tyler Lockett in game gives me a little 230 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: bit more hope that he might be ready to go 231 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: by Thursday. It's unfortunate that it's a short week, so 232 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: you know that you have to think that that would 233 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: affect his explosiveness if he is able to go. As 234 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: far as Chris Carson, I haven't been able to see 235 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: much of him. I like what I'm hearing on Carlo's Hide, 236 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: and I did watch him at practice on Friday, which 237 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: I know is a walkthrough, but he did take some 238 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: snaps to the point where I thought he might have 239 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: been able to go on Sunday. So I feel better 240 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: about some of the guys coming back, but I'm afraid 241 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: to get too hopeful for some of them. Mueller, I 242 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: want you to stop picking on Rabel first of all, okay, 243 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: number one, Yeah, that's my job. First of all, when 244 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: was the last time you said that? Days you're usually 245 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: leading the charge. I'm talking you know what I'm talking about, Mueller? 246 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: All right? Who started he targeted? We have we have children? 247 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: That he started it? No? I didn't, he did, he did. 248 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: I love it. It's it's hilarious. But let me ask 249 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: you about the sort of the mood after that game, 250 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: what you guys were talking about. I was listening to 251 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: you on the way home. There was a lot of, 252 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: you know, tough questions coming in from the media guys, 253 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: and I know that Moyer and Ray they were all 254 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 1: kind of bristling against that. But just as far as 255 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: that performance, it was just kind of a weird one 256 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: because you know, they gave up twenty three points defensively, 257 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: and they had a few, you know, decent drives, but 258 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: just you know, the way that thing went down, with 259 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: Russ throwing some some interceptions, which is always uncommon, and 260 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: then you know the way the defense played at times. 261 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: It was just it was just kind of a weird game. 262 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: I thought to respond to it just felt disjointed, right, 263 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: and you could point it some good things on the offense, right, 264 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: like the opening scoring drive. That was a nice drive, 265 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: and then he would look and the second half and 266 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: realize that the defense it made three consecutive stocks, which 267 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: was incredible, and the offense couldn't turn around and do anything. 268 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: So it felt like every time you tried to look 269 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: at something good, there was a counterpoint that said, man, 270 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: but we couldn't capitalize we couldn't come through, and they 271 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: think we've just gotten so used to one side or 272 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: the other picking the team up down the stress in 273 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: the clutch when they need them to, and it just 274 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: didn't look like either side was playing optimally or just 275 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: complimentary footballing. Again, that's pretty unusual for the Seahawks. Somebody 276 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: finds a way to pull through, and it just didn't. 277 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: It felt like it was a contradictory postgame show. It 278 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: felt like it was just really disjointed and watching the 279 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: game and you look at the stats, and the stats 280 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: weren't terrible, there's some great steps, but then as Ray 281 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: Roberts pointed out, he goes, yeah, I wouldn't even don't 282 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: even look at those like what did your eyes tell 283 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: you that that you saw? And it was just a 284 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: lot of folks that didn't look like they were on 285 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: the same page. Yeah, so, Jim, you know, we have 286 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people that aren't on the same page. 287 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: This is something that the Seahawks have been trying, and 288 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: particularly the defense has been trying to get everybody on 289 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: the same page over the last couple of weeks. Is 290 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: there anything going on that can give Seahawks fans some 291 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: at least some hope that they can get on the 292 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: same page. Here. Are you talking specifically on defense, Yes, yes, 293 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: specifically on defense. I would say the fact that Jamal 294 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: Adams is practicing and intends to play on Thursday should 295 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: give you hope. And here is why I do believe 296 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: in the conversations that I've had with a number of 297 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: people that it's a communication challenge, and it's hard when 298 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: you have not had your core group of players on 299 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: the field all year together. I think it is particularly 300 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: challenging with the way Jamal Adams play. He has a 301 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: very dynamic style, but he has also utilized in such 302 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: a different way than Seattle has used their safeties in 303 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: the past. It requires a lot of communication and it 304 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: requires a lot of disunderstanding what he's going to do. 305 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: He is in some ways like Earl, And when I 306 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: say that, I don't mean in style of play, I 307 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: mean in his instincts. And you don't want to take 308 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:18,119 Speaker 1: away the aggressiveness that Jamal Adams has and his ability 309 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: to read and react. But everybody else needs to also 310 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: be kind of seen and understanding. And it took a 311 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: long time for the entire defense to get on the 312 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: same page with Earl and that that's what was going 313 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: to happen. I can remember conversation between I think it 314 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: was kJ and Michael Kendricks when Kendricks first got here, 315 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: and I think Bobby was in on it during the 316 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: middle of a game and Kendricks is going on straight 317 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: defensive principles, right, and Bobby and KAG You're like, no, no no, no, 318 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: Earl's gonna do this, and Michael's like, no, no, no, 319 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: but we're supposed to do this, and they said, don't 320 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: even worry about what that's supposed to do, right, Earl 321 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: is going to do this. Trust us, Earl is going 322 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: to do this. It's that sort of communication that you 323 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: need to understand with Jamal, the fact that he is 324 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: out there and that you can continue figuring out how 325 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: each other are going to compliment. I think that that 326 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: is reason to be optimistic for this defense. Jen. That 327 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: is one of the best like explanations I've heard of 328 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: kind of the idea for Jamal's role in this defense. 329 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: I really like that one. One just last question for me, 330 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure what the answer is going to be, 331 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: because honestly, I didn't know how to answer this. When 332 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: you're looking at the NFC West, it is a crowded, 333 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: crowded group right at the top, unlike you know the 334 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: NFC East. So does it still feel like the Seahawks 335 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: were the best team in the West. You can't. I 336 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: don't think you can say that after the last couple 337 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: of weeks. I don't think you can honestly say that 338 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: if you're looking at what they've done the last couple 339 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: of weeks. Now, I do think there is a chance 340 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: when things get turned around, to say that they are 341 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: the best team in the division, But right now, I 342 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: think it's hard to say that they are. I would 343 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: say that Arizona is at the top right now. Was 344 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: the way that Kyle There's playing, And I think everybody 345 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: has their deficiencies, to be clear, everybody in the division 346 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: has their deficiencies. But I think right now you have 347 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: to give Arizona credit at being at the top. She is. 348 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: Jen Mueller, you can hear on the Seahawks pre and 349 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: postgame show before every game, Jen, thanks for joining us 350 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: absolutely anytime. Tell Wyman to behave in so I'll try. 351 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: He never listens. That's the problem. Linebackers. You guys, remember 352 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: my worst when I'm behaving myself Jen, Dave, stop making 353 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: Jen so angry she won't join us anything, you guys. 354 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: I'll tell you guys during the break how she's picking 355 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,479 Speaker 1: on Rayblow. Oh I can't wait for this? All right, 356 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: all right, we are going to step across enemy Lines 357 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: with an opponent preview Josh winfos if ESPN joins us next. 358 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: This is the Huddle, presented by Bickford Ford every Thursday 359 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,479 Speaker 1: from noon to two on seven ten ESPN Seattle. Welcome 360 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: back into the Huddle with Dave Wyman, Jay Keats, and 361 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: Stacy Ross. Join us right now. We're stepping across the 362 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: Enemy Lines with an Opponent review with ESPN's Josh Weinfiss, 363 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: who covers the Cardinals. Josh, are you still recovering from 364 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: the final seconds of that one over the bills? Like, 365 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: how are you doing? Mentally? Emotionally? I think my head 366 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: is just stopping spinning right right right right around now. 367 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: I mean it was it was wild. I actually kind 368 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: of missed the play because I was writing I'll finish 369 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: it up, my story on them losing. Oh no, you 370 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 1: see Kylie roll out. You're like, all right, it's over. 371 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: So I just trying to like just start to like 372 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: put in the final score whatever, and then he caught it, 373 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: caught it, and I'm just like, I'm literally the press 374 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: box it went berserk. Now no one was cheering, people 375 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: just reacting, and a lot of it was our stories 376 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: just got totally ruined. So at that point everyone just 377 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: had to figure out like what just happened, and you know, 378 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: and who caught it, who removed through it, like who 379 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: caught it, like who was around him? Like it was 380 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: it was like a wild, wild three minute span where 381 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: we just went went from like it was one hundred 382 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: and eighty return from from you know, what we were 383 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: writing to what we had ended up like what we 384 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: had written to what we ended up writing. It was crazy. Yeah, Josh, 385 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: that sounds like a lot of the writers up here. 386 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: I remember the NFC Championship game against Green Bay, and 387 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: you know, with Russell being that kind of player, you know, 388 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,479 Speaker 1: I talked to a lot of the writers that were like, 389 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: I had the whole game down right and all I 390 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: had to do is put the final sentence in and 391 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: it just, Uh, it's amazing that Kyler Murray really has 392 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: become an I think everybody's talking about the catch, but man, 393 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: how about that throw he was running pretty hard to 394 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: his left. Yeah. I mean, if you looked at the replay, 395 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: he wasn't in a dead sprint, but he was running 396 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: quite fast for him to turn his body like that 397 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: after invading a Bill defender and chucking it. I mean, 398 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: everyone knows he other great arm but for people who 399 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, aren't too familiar with them, that 400 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: just showed you just how strong of an army had 401 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: to throw that type of throw with the perfect loft 402 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: of perfect trajectory, perfect distance on the run like that. 403 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,959 Speaker 1: Very impressive, Josh. I'm curious what was going to be 404 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: the theme of your story had that hell Mary not 405 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: been completed? What was the story of the game in 406 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: your mind before that? For immaculate, remarkable hell Mary catch 407 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: that Cliff Kingsbury cost them the game, right. They were 408 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: up six twenty three with about four and a half 409 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: minutes left, and they had just intercepted Josh Allen and 410 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: they were in a position to either that at the 411 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: clock or use a huge chunk of the clock. And 412 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: obviously we know what the Bill did the week before 413 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: to the Seahawks. This is a big, big game for 414 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: the Cardinals, and Cliff Kingsbury called a pass on first 415 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: down which was incomplete, second down which was incomplete, and 416 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: third down, which Kyler Mary got sacked on. So the 417 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: clock did run, but it only ran until they punched 418 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: on fourth down. So it was just terrible clocks manager, 419 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: were terrible play calling on Cliff Kingsbury's part, and you 420 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: know when when they punched back to the to the Bills, 421 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: there was three minutes and change left and all the 422 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: Bills did was go down the field and score touchdown 423 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: and take the lead. So um, the story was basically 424 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: about how Cliff Kingsbury just, you know, sometimes he gets 425 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 1: too cute with his play calling and this is one 426 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: of those opportunities for one of those one of those times. 427 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: And if that Hill Mary did not happen, it would 428 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: have cost the Cardinals the game. They would be sitting 429 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: in second place in the West. They'd be what five 430 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: and four right now, possibly you know, heading into a 431 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: game where they could end up being five and five, 432 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: totally different elex on the season at that point instead 433 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: of being six and three, not knowing what's gonna happen 434 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: this week as a whole. Has that been a pattern 435 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: this season? Yes, yes, it's been a patent for the 436 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: year and a half he's been with the Cardinals. Um, Like, 437 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: I remember, like Week one, twenty nineteen last year, Cliff Kings, right, 438 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: you know, came in they tied with the Trent Lions, 439 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: and came into the postgame press conference and start of 440 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: talking about how he got too cute, how he tried 441 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: to do too much, and literally it's been a it's 442 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: been a trend ever since. And he takes well when 443 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: they lose, he takes all the blame about his play 444 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: calling and whatnot. Um, and and it's partially true. Like like, 445 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: I don't think every single loss on him, but there's 446 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: definitely been been times in almost every game where he 447 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: makes a play calling you're just he scratch your head 448 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: because there was an obvious, um, obvious play he could 449 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: have called otherwise, right, And um, I'm every coach will 450 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: second guess themselves. Every coach makes mistakes, I get it, 451 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: but I think his are a little more glaring and 452 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: a little bit more head scratching because he we know, 453 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,479 Speaker 1: he's a creative offensive mind, right, one of the one 454 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: of the most creative in the league. Not only one 455 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: of the best, one of the most creatives, but he 456 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: does certain things you're kind of like you kind of 457 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: question whether he's figured out how to win at this level, 458 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: such as not writing the ball on first and second 459 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: down with four and a half minutes left in Europe 460 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: by three and stuff like that, Hey, josh Isaiah Simmons 461 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: had a pick in the game against the Seahawks. And 462 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: then since then, I've seen a couple of national shows 463 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: where they're saying, hey, this guy, number eight pick in 464 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 1: the draft needs to step up. It looks like his 465 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: production has gone up a little bit. Are they Are 466 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: they happy with his performance so far? So far? You know, 467 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: they it was going to be a slow rise from 468 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, the Cardinals are going to take their time 469 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: bringing him along, mostly because well, there were a couple 470 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: of reasons. A, he's obviously a rookie. UM. He played 471 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: five positions quite a bit in college, so just to 472 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,959 Speaker 1: focus on one was going to take a little bit 473 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: of a U some wouldn't take some time for him 474 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: to to figure out. And you know, he didn't have 475 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: a preseason, but he didn't have at he didn't have 476 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: Mini camp, so his first time on the field working 477 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: in an NFL practice was a day one of training camp. 478 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: That's just not enough time for rookies to to just 479 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: pick up on what they're doing, especially with no preseason. 480 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: You know, the jump from college to the NFL is 481 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: is pretty significant in terms of speed. Right in college, 482 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: and he's one of them, they're only at tea guys 483 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: in the field who are NFL caliber players. Well, in 484 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: the NFL, everyone's an NFL caliber player. There's NFL caliber speed, 485 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: NFL caliber size, heights, you know, power, and that took 486 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: him a little bit to get used to, you know 487 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 1: what I mean if you break it down like this, 488 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: the first four weeks of the season or his preseason, 489 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: right so now we're in week ten, week eleven, so 490 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: this is like his you know, week sixth form, you know, 491 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: so he started to kind of figure it out. The Cardinals, 492 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: you know, wanted to wanted to try to bring him 493 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: along flowly and carefully, and that's what they did. Week 494 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: one in San Francisco. He got crossed up by Radey 495 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: Mustard who took its seventy five if yards to the house. 496 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: And I think from that moment they were like, this 497 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: kid has allowed to learn and they've been slowly bringing him. 498 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: And now the result is the pick against Russell Wilson 499 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: and more snaps and last few weeks, Josh, one of 500 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: the things I'm curious to get your perspective on this. 501 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: One of the things that I've really noticed about the 502 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,239 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals is particularly on defense, they seem to be 503 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: an emotionally based team. And what I mean by that 504 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: is as they start to have more success on the 505 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: field through the game, they start getting more and more 506 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: cranked up. They really start coming alive when they have 507 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: that success. What has it been about this team that 508 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: has led to some of its faults and some of 509 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: its losses versus you know, when they've been playing well 510 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: and firing on all cylinders. I think it's a great observation. 511 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: I think you are right on them being a very 512 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: emotional unit, and it's it's kind of head scratching, right 513 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: because you you would hope as a as a coach 514 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: or coordinator that your team plays at the team level 515 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: all the time. I think part of it this year 516 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: might be not being able to feed off the energy 517 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: in the stadium, right. I know that was the Cardinals 518 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: don for every team tried to downplay it before the seasons, 519 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: like weeks one, two three. The one thing we heard 520 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: a lot during zoom calls was this is totally different 521 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: than we ever could have imagined, right, not having fans, 522 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: not having the yelling or screaming, the music or you 523 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: know older is music, but you know, having the combination 524 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: of all of it, there's nothing to feed off of. 525 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: So once these guys can get themselves going on, whether 526 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: that's sparked by an interception, a stack of big play, 527 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: whatever it is, that's when they start to get going themselves. 528 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: So they've had a they've had trouble kind of self motivating, 529 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: and it's costs them. You know, they'll go, they'll they'll 530 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: have long, long drives on the field and then the 531 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: offense comes and goes three and out and defense back 532 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: on for a really long drive. So we've seen them 533 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: kind of shoot themselves in the foot over and over 534 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: because of that. And you know, that was a reason 535 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: why they lost to the Panthers. That was the reason 536 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: why they lost to the Lion and there are it's 537 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: just they've been inconsistent. But when they play well, they're 538 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: very very good. They're going to play that they're very 539 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: very bad. He is ESPN Cardinals reporter Josh Weinfist. Josh, 540 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us. We appreciate it. Yeah, 541 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: thanks for having me all right now, as a heads 542 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: up for you guys, we are going to be joined 543 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 1: by Seahawks defensive end Carlos Dunlap later in the show. 544 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: That's in our in our second hour around one forty 545 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,719 Speaker 1: five one fifty, So don't go anywhere. We are going 546 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: to look at the defensive side of the ball for Seattle. 547 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: But first we're going to be joined by a former 548 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: wide receiver, Michael Bumpus, And understandably I want to talk 549 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: about Tyler Lockett and DeAndre Hopkins. That's next. This is 550 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: the Huddle, presented by Bickford Ford every Thursday from noon 551 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: to two on seven ten ESPN Seattle. Hey, guys, welcome 552 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: back to the Huddle with Dave Wyman, Jay Keeps, and 553 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: Stacy Ross. We're joined right now by Michael bump This 554 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: now you can hear him on the Seahawks pre and 555 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: postgame show before every single game in after Obviously, bump 556 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: I can only assume that one of the major topics 557 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: on the Seahawks pregame show is going to be DeAndre Hopkins, 558 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: and I feel stupid asking how you stop him because 559 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't look like you can Nah, you don't stop 560 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: be hot, man. He's consistent. He's gonna get about teen 561 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: catches over a honey yards a game. It's really just 562 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: limiting might be huge plays. If you can limit a 563 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: hell Mary at the end of the game, that's awesome too, 564 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: but it's limiting the big games at twenty five yards, 565 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: at thirty forty yard games, which really serve as momentum 566 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,959 Speaker 1: shifters as well. You can't stop be hot. You can 567 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: control him, you can try to frustrate him, but he's 568 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: pretty calm, even cable when it comes to stuff like that. 569 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: So just do your best. He's gonna eat. Don't let 570 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: everyone else around him feed as well. Hey, Bump, do 571 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: you ever make a catch like that? I mean that 572 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: looked like three flies up when you were a kid, 573 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: you know where you're just kind of trying to position yourself. 574 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: Tell us about if you've ever been in that situation 575 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: and what it's an amazing play it. I still can't 576 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: figure out how he came down with that thing. No, 577 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: you're right, it's just like the game. Honestly, that's where 578 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: that's playing. That game. Growing up is when I realized 579 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to be a receiver. Because I just liked 580 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: doing that. The closest I've been to that situation, we 581 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,719 Speaker 1: played sc I want to say, my junior year. They 582 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,479 Speaker 1: were ranked pretty high and we got a chance to 583 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: win the game on a similar play like that, and 584 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: they tossed it up on five eleven. So I wasn't 585 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: the point guy. I was kind of the guy who's 586 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: winning for the tip on the side, you know what 587 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: I mean. But when you do that, it's all about 588 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: just finding the ball and picking up on his trajectory 589 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: and timing, you know. And you're doing all this if 590 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: you look at the hop he runs, he gets in positions, 591 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: he looks around him, he looks at the safety who's 592 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: flying over. He puts his hands on a guy's bag 593 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: just to kind of feel where everyone is, and then 594 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: goes up and finds the ball. It's kind of like 595 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: catching the punt, but instead of lending dropped into the 596 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: back as you're going up and get it and there 597 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: are guys around you who can distract you. One of 598 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: the best players I've seen in a while, and it 599 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me that he was able to come down 600 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: with that ball bump uh dk Metcalf was rarely used 601 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: during during the game versus the Rams, and obviously he's 602 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: going up against Jalen Ramsey, one of the best corners 603 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: in the game, if not the best, very best corner 604 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: in the game. Right now, he's gonna go up against 605 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: another challenge, another player and Patrick Peterson who last time 606 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: around he didn't have very very many targets his way 607 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: at all. How do they get DK metcalf involved bump 608 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,719 Speaker 1: because they he has to be a part of the equation. 609 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: You can't, you can't go through games and not have 610 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: him be a part of the equation. Yeah, Jake, I 611 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: think it comes down just a quick game when if 612 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: you look at a lot of the routes that DK 613 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: ran against the Rams, and that he runs a lot 614 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: there their backside post post bigs, m post comebacks, a 615 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: lot of routes that take a while to develop, and 616 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: with the pressure that Russell Wilson is getting these tips 617 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: a few weeks, it's harder for those routes to development, 618 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: for Russ to stay in the pocket and really see 619 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: what's going on. So I think you do what you 620 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: did on the game that potentially could have won the 621 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: game for the Hawks against the Cardinals. Last time you 622 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: hit him with a smoke screen. You get him with slants, 623 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: with hitches, you take use the quick game to your advantage. 624 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: But to open up the quick game, you gotta be 625 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: able to run the football as well. I think if 626 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: the run game can get going at least a little bit, 627 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: they don't need to be spectacler in the run game, 628 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: but just be a real threat in the run game. 629 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: That's going to open up lanes to get DK the ball. 630 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: And then don't be afraid to go with the quick stuff. 631 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: We know DK is great at catching the deep footballs 632 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: and going across the middle, ten yard end and poster whatnot. 633 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: He's also good at showing that he's good at those 634 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,719 Speaker 1: quick routs as well. So get the play action going 635 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: and slavish the run for the plash of works, and 636 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: then get the ball out quick and let fourteen work. 637 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Huddle presented by Bickford for Dave Wyman, 638 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: j Keats, and Stacy Ross here with you. We're joining 639 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: right now by Michael Bumpus, who's host of the Hawks 640 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: pre and postgame show. What kind of conversation are you 641 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,479 Speaker 1: hoping the Seahawks defense is having right now, because they 642 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: will give them credit that the second half of that 643 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: game against the Rams was better for them. The first 644 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: half abysmal, second half better. What conversation are you hoping 645 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: they're having. What kind of honest truths are you hoping 646 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: that they're telling each other? You know, they're looking in 647 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: the mirror and they're first they're being positive because they 648 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: did play better against the Buffalo Bills and see the 649 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills gnustrations of the Rams. But they also need 650 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: to do When I hear Dave Wyman talk about all 651 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: the time, alignment, assignment, and then my head Ocean at 652 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: high season tell me execution as well. Align assigned, Execute, 653 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: You got to be in the right spot. You gotta 654 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: be in the right shade. And then your technique. I 655 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: then comes down to the little things. How do you 656 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: get into your drop? What's your landmark on the field? 657 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: What do you do when this number one goes in? 658 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: What do you expect number two to do? It goes 659 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: down to the basics, and that's what I see in 660 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: the secondary when they look like they are passing routes 661 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: off and you're getting to the right landmarks. Now you're 662 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: in good position to make plays. But there's not a 663 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: lot of trust going on out there. I feel like 664 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: because you have DJ Read and you have Trey Flowers, 665 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: and you have unfamiliar names in certain spots, the guys 666 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: are gonna try to make up for things when essentially, 667 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: if you don't do your job, you're probably gonna make 668 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: the play. So I think they're being positively to each other. 669 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: I look against the Buffalo Bills, we play better. The 670 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: Rams guys, we made some plays there. Just do your 671 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: job and play fast and play confident. And it's really 672 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: on the offense at this point. Can the offense take 673 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: care of the football the last few weeks hasn't been 674 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: a struggle for the guys that are hurt bumped, and 675 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: you kind of alluded to this the running game. I 676 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: know what my answer would be, But for the guys 677 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: that are injured, if you could get one guy back 678 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: and you know, wish him or gift him the health 679 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: for the rest of the year, who would that be. 680 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: I know I'm kind of putting you on the spot, 681 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: but I just I'm pretty clear that it's Chris Carson 682 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: and just that he hasn't been able to go. But 683 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: you know, the injuries have hit him fairly hard this 684 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: year and which guy do you think is the biggest loss. 685 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: I'm with you, Dave, it's Chris Carson. I think initially 686 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: when he got hurt, Russell was playing so well. I'm 687 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: kind of like, now, they'll be fine. I think they 688 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: can handle a few weeks without Chris Carson's Russell's going 689 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: to handle this. But as you get deeper into the season, 690 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: you realize how important just a running back who can 691 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: break tackles and pose a real threat to these defenses 692 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: really opens everything up. I got I drink the kool a, Dave. 693 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,479 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, let Russell do a thing. He doesn't 694 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: need a run game. Run game? What's that? No, you 695 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: need that run game. And I think they need to 696 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: use their running back in the same way like the 697 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: Rams of the forty nine ers do when they're using 698 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: those jet sweeps. I'll never forget that first series against 699 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: the Bills. DJ Dallas came out and he was running 700 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: the ball. He was running good, and a lot of 701 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: it was because they were using Tyler Lockett in the 702 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 1: jet sweeps. And what does that do that wholes defensive 703 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: the ends because they have to keep contained that wholes linebacker. 704 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: There's a bit or make some expand a bit and 705 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: you open up lanes, and that's what the forty nine 706 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: and the Rounds do a great job of doing. So. 707 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: I think because you don't have a guy like Chris Darson's, 708 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: you have to kind of dress it up a bit, 709 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: and you can do that with that jet sweet motion. Now, 710 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: one thing that really stands out to me, and really 711 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,919 Speaker 1: the key to the game, is going to be how 712 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: the Seahawks offense handles all these pressure packages. You know, 713 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,439 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, they present a big problem in their 714 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: ability to line up seven guys at the line of 715 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: scrimmage and make it confusing on the line at the 716 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: quarterback and bring anybody at any moment. How how do 717 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: you think that they should go about trying to beat that? 718 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: Because that's going to be a huge, huge task for them. 719 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: It's what they've struggled with over the last you know, 720 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 1: three weeks. Yeah, day, I don't think you necessarily beat it. 721 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: I think that you just communicate and throw to where 722 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: the pressure is coming from. There's a lot of fundamental 723 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: football things that I'm saying on the offense and I 724 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: would like to see on offense. Simple, if I'm the 725 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: number three receiver, and the three by one set. That 726 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 1: means I'm the closest receiver to the tackle. If the 727 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: guy over me blitches, I have to look for the football. 728 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: Russell has to get you to me. Now. Now, if 729 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: I'm at number three receiver and I know I have 730 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: a running back to my side, I know I don't 731 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: have to look because that running back's gonna take care 732 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: of it. It's more just as a receivers, you kind 733 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: of have to know where the quarterback is expecting you 734 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: to be and how he can help him. And then 735 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson, he has to know as well. There 736 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: are times when that guy find out the edge is 737 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: his guy and he's just not looking for it. I 738 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: don't know if he's confused. I don't know if he 739 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 1: expected something else to happen, or he was just trying 740 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,359 Speaker 1: to take a shot. But there are some fundamental things 741 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: that I'm seeing before I'm like, okay, let's just get 742 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: back to basic football. It's a numbers game. If they're 743 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: on the right, the right side of the line is 744 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,399 Speaker 1: trying to block four guys, somebody's gonna be somebody's gonna 745 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 1: come open loose. It's the running back to that side. 746 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: Is that the receivers guy. Does Russell know that that's 747 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,439 Speaker 1: his guy? It's the little things like that beating it 748 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: got they're gunnavan pressure. I mean, the secret is Russell 749 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: has struggled a bit the last few weeks because of 750 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: the pressure. I feel like that has contributed to it. 751 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: So now it's just getting back to the basics. Man, 752 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I should I've been. I've been. I've been 753 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: a hot route since I was in ninth grade. Man, 754 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,399 Speaker 1: two backers come off the edge and that running back 755 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: game there I'm looking so I think if they could 756 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: just do little things like that, they'll be fine. All right, bump, 757 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: last question here for us. It's a quick one. I'm 758 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: gonna put you on the spot. I apologize in advance. 759 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: I need a score prediction every time because I'm catching 760 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: Paul Moyer. I know Paul Mark. I think he gotta 761 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: win last week. I know. I'm just gonna throw something 762 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: out there right now. It's not necessarily gonna be the 763 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,360 Speaker 1: score that I'm gonna say on Sunday. Well, right now, 764 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, the eleventh of Sydney, the seventeenth of November, 765 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to say that the Hawks pull this through 766 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: twenty seven, twenty four. The defense is gonna have a 767 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: performance similar to what we've seen the last couple of weeks. 768 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: All right, let's hope that's the case. He is Michael Bumpus. 769 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: You can hear him on the Hawkspring postgame show. Thanks bump, 770 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: no problem, Thank you. All right. The Voice of the Seahawks, 771 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: Steve Rabel, joins us. Next. This is the Huddle every 772 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: Thursday from noon to two, presented by Big Four. The 773 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: Welcome Back into the Huddle with Dave Wyman, Jake Keeps 774 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: and Stacy Ross joining us right now. The Voice of 775 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,399 Speaker 1: the Seahawks, Steve Rabel, rabes, how are you? I'm good? 776 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: How are you good? We're good. I'm speaking for all 777 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: of us now because um I am currently that's that's 778 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,280 Speaker 1: my job right now, um Rabes. I have a question 779 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: that is difficult to answer, and none of us really 780 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: have the answer, but I want some of your insight. 781 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 1: When I watch Russell Wilson these past couple outings he's had, 782 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: specifically the last two, it's not really a Russell Wilson 783 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,399 Speaker 1: that I recognize. And I've seen some people saying, well, 784 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: maybe he's injured, because they're just worried. It doesn't really 785 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: make sense to them either. Um, in your mind, are 786 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,879 Speaker 1: these mental errors? I mean, what has been going on 787 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson in your opinion behind some of these mistakes. 788 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: These just uncharacteristic mistakes he's making well. And I was 789 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: going to mention this on the game through at the 790 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: game on Thursday night, but I just wanted to give 791 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: everybody out in the listening audience and the wider world 792 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: in general that here's a flash breaking news. Russell Wilson 793 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: is a human being. He actually is made of the 794 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,359 Speaker 1: same stuff that we are, cells and plasma and Dave. 795 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 1: Dave can go into more detail on exactly what goes 796 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 1: into a human body than I can, but he's human 797 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: and as as almost infallible, unbreakable all those things that 798 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: he's been, and especially in the first fought five games 799 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: of the season where he was untouchable for that matter, 800 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: he's kind of come back down to earth. And he's 801 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: had a lot of help in coming back down to 802 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: earth by having virtually no running attack to help back 803 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: him up by defenses figuring out, okay, here's how we 804 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,399 Speaker 1: stop Russell Wilson. We take his favorite target away and 805 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: then we go after him, and we make his offensive 806 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: line block us. We don't have to honor the run. 807 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: And he's playing, oftentimes, especially in the last few games, 808 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: from behind, so they're trying to catch up and and 809 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 1: and that's kind of a bad combination there too. And 810 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: you press and then you try to force a ball 811 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 1: and pretty soon you find yourself in trouble. So I 812 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: think there's there's just a whole lot of reasons, and 813 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 1: but that that one as much as I and I 814 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: think there's Listen, there's nobody that thinks higher of Russell 815 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,399 Speaker 1: Wilson than me. More highly, I guess, is the way 816 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: to put it. And but I also know that that 817 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: at times, by trying to do too much, you can 818 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: get yourself and your team in trouble. And I think 819 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: that's what Pete was saying this week, that some of 820 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 1: those mistakes you just can't have and we got to 821 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: do a better job. That's discouraging to me that he's 822 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 1: made of the same stuff as say Steve Rabel. Yea, yeah, 823 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 1: well I was gonna say, Dave Winman, but but you know, 824 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: I'll put you on the spot. I guess if you 825 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:09,360 Speaker 1: can think back, you know, Bruce Ervan, Marquise Blair, Chris Carson, 826 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,799 Speaker 1: Carlos Hide if he could, And I asked bump Us 827 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: this question, if you could gift somebody health, what do 828 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: you think is the most important injury? Because they're starting 829 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,320 Speaker 1: to kind of stack up. Now, you know Ethan postic 830 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: last week, and you know, early on we've talked about 831 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: San Francisco and how they were devastated by injuries, but 832 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 1: they're slowly starting to catch up. But who would you 833 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: want back? Yeah, that's a good question, David, And you 834 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: know i'd put I'd certainly put Ethan post near the 835 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: top of the list. Although I thought Kyle Fuller did 836 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,319 Speaker 1: a pretty good job and you mentioned that during the 837 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,839 Speaker 1: game too, and then we find out after the game 838 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: that he played most of that contest with a with 839 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 1: a high ankle sprain. I mean, that's just that's just 840 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 1: playing through pain. That's just guts. But I think for 841 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 1: me it would be it would be Chris Carson, uh 842 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 1: and maybe Carlos a close number two, Carlos Hide. We 843 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: have got to re vigorate the running attack because until 844 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 1: teams have to really focus on that and they have 845 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: to honor that. I mean, you know, what are we averaging. 846 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: We're averaging over one hundred yards a game, one hundred 847 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: and sixteen yards, but a lot of that now is 848 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: ross having to scramble finding some open areas and picking 849 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: up ten, twelve, fourteen yards at a clip. I think 850 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,399 Speaker 1: Carson is still a leading rusher on his football team, 851 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,959 Speaker 1: and he's been gone now for what three weeks, so 852 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 1: we have got to get him back out there. He 853 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: poses that threat that right now the young guys don't 854 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,359 Speaker 1: or can't. And he also, I think is as much 855 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: as anything else. I mean, the offense just operates better 856 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,800 Speaker 1: with him out there. I think the offensive line feels 857 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: really good with him behind him. I mean think of 858 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,360 Speaker 1: you know, Dwayne Brown knowing that Chris Carson is coming 859 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 1: off the left side, and I mean he just knows 860 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 1: what Chris is going to do. He has a great 861 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 1: sense for that. So that would be that would be 862 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,839 Speaker 1: my choice, and then I think a lot of things 863 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: happen from there. You get maybe a little better pass protection, 864 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 1: you get a guy who can come out of the 865 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 1: backfield and catch those passes in a blitz situation, and 866 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 1: you get the running back that helps loosen up that 867 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 1: defense a little raves the big question then becomes and 868 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 1: this is something that Stacey and I talked about at 869 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: the top of our show earlier in the day, was 870 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,359 Speaker 1: just what does that mean? Right? Getting Chris Carson more 871 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,919 Speaker 1: carries and you know it, is it a certain split percentage? 872 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,400 Speaker 1: Is it just making sure that there is that the 873 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 1: semblance of a run game that is a threat. What 874 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: does that mean for this team as Pete Carroll and 875 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer and this offense moves forward? Well, I think 876 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 1: it it. Yeah, it's you know, I think it's more 877 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: than just a you know, a kind of a token attempt. 878 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 1: I think you really want some balance. And I don't 879 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,400 Speaker 1: mean that fifty fifty, but but you want to be 880 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: able to to set up that passing game. You know, 881 00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 1: right now we're going how many times do we go 882 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,880 Speaker 1: empty backs and you know three wides? Uh? Two tights 883 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: or three wides and a tight you know, I mean 884 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 1: how many times as opposed to you know, having that 885 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,239 Speaker 1: sense of you know, theguse guys could run it or 886 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: throw it on any given down. Uh. And I just 887 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: think that's that's been missing. Um. I think that that 888 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: two you can't you can't overestimate, Um, how how good 889 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,719 Speaker 1: Russ was in those early games when he had more 890 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 1: of that balance. And that doesn't mean they're going to 891 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: run the ball for one hundred and fifty yards every game. 892 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,840 Speaker 1: This is a game. If you're going to run for 893 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty yards, is the one you're gonna 894 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,920 Speaker 1: do it. This Arizona defense is just beat up. They 895 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: had to trade for guys, They've signed guys off the street. 896 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,279 Speaker 1: They've lost defensive linemen, you know, like like one after 897 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: the other. If ever there was a time to be 898 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,680 Speaker 1: able to run the football, it's these guys. And because 899 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 1: they have a halfway decent secondary, you know Peterson and 900 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,439 Speaker 1: then Buddha Baker and those guys. Jalen Thompson is back, 901 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,800 Speaker 1: so you know there they can be a formidable defense 902 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: in the back end. You just need to take care 903 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 1: of business up at the line of scrimmage, own that 904 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,719 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, and if you can, then I think 905 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,239 Speaker 1: I think we have a much better chance to win. 906 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,520 Speaker 1: And also it'll keep Kyler Murray on the sidelines for 907 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: crying out loud. Stay out there on the field with 908 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 1: your offense, and the huddle is presented by Bickford for 909 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 1: that voice, you're hearing is the voice of the Hawks 910 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 1: play by play man Steve rabel Graves. When I'm thinking 911 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 1: of the thing that makes me most nervous about the Cardinals, 912 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,319 Speaker 1: it's DeAndre Hopkins. If I have to just pick a 913 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,839 Speaker 1: single player that makes me most nervous. If you're thinking 914 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,839 Speaker 1: of what the Cardinals should be nervous of when they're 915 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,759 Speaker 1: looking at the Seahawks, is it what is it to you? 916 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,960 Speaker 1: Is it? The total offense is at Russell Wilson? I mean, 917 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 1: what's really the key for Seattle this Thursday? Well, and 918 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,239 Speaker 1: I would not that you've ever not that I've ever 919 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 1: differed with you, Stacey now at all. I never ever 920 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 1: not thought that everything you said was absolutely right. But 921 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,440 Speaker 1: I would probably I would say that for Arizona, the 922 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,520 Speaker 1: guy that worries me most is Kyler Murray because he 923 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,439 Speaker 1: first of all, DeAndre Hopkins doesn't get the ball without 924 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. So Murray is the guy that he's the 925 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,759 Speaker 1: he's the stick that stirs the drink, and and he 926 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: is so unbelievably quick and such a good runner um 927 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,600 Speaker 1: that that makes me really nervous. Dave and I have 928 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,320 Speaker 1: talked about a lot as far as Seahawks defense about 929 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 1: guys either getting off a block or turning the play 930 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,359 Speaker 1: back inside. I remember what we did a few weeks ago. 931 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,600 Speaker 1: We just tried to contain him and then spy him 932 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,439 Speaker 1: with Shakim and that worked sort of. But this guy 933 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,279 Speaker 1: is he's He's. There are no other quarterbacks like him, him, 934 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, there are a few of those guys, but 935 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 1: this guy is in a class by himself. I think, 936 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,919 Speaker 1: maybe not as great a passer, but he's getting there. 937 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,919 Speaker 1: The guy, now that was I didn't answer your question. 938 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: I will now the guy that I think that everybody 939 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 1: has to be concerned about with the Seahawks obviously is 940 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,120 Speaker 1: Russell because he's in the same, in the same mold 941 00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 1: of of Kyler Murray. And that is he's the guy 942 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 1: that so much of what happens for the Seahawks comes 943 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,319 Speaker 1: directly through him. If you if you honor the run game, 944 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,719 Speaker 1: he can you know, run red, keep option, and just 945 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,279 Speaker 1: take off again. If your run game is going well, 946 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 1: you're handing a ball off to Chris Carson, he's getting 947 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,280 Speaker 1: four or five six yards a crack, take it to him, 948 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,680 Speaker 1: take off around the outside. You know the defensive end 949 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,920 Speaker 1: is going to come crashing down and uh and with 950 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,600 Speaker 1: a block outside and our receivers are pretty good blockers. 951 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,720 Speaker 1: You know, you get you get a ten yard running 952 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 1: the first down out of out of Russ. I just 953 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 1: think those guys. You know, if it was a young 954 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 1: or or an inexperienced quarterback, let me say, on another team, 955 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 1: I might say that that's not the most important person. 956 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,520 Speaker 1: But on these two teams, it's those two guys. Good stuff, Rabes, 957 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,680 Speaker 1: you're the best. Thanks so much for joining us. Well see, 958 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,680 Speaker 1: I won't disagree with you there. Yea, I'm always right. 959 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:54,359 Speaker 1: I'm always right. Yeah, thanks Rabe. Okay, guys, all right, 960 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 1: we are going to take a listen to some of 961 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 1: what Cliff Kingsbury had to say. Now, this is about 962 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 1: his own team, and he's gonna recap some stuff from 963 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 1: the Bills win and things we have to know as 964 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 1: Seahawks fans, but he's also previewing a little bit of 965 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,920 Speaker 1: what he's expecting from Seattle. That's next on the Huddle. 966 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,560 Speaker 1: This is the Huddle presented by Bickford Ford every Thursday 967 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:18,320 Speaker 1: from noon to two on seven ten ESPN Seattle. Welcome 968 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,600 Speaker 1: back to the Huddle with Dave Wyman, Jay Keats and 969 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,520 Speaker 1: Stacy Ross, we are getting you guys ready for the 970 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,880 Speaker 1: seahawks Thursday night game against the Arizona Cardinals, a chance 971 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,279 Speaker 1: not only to continue your great streak of games in primetime, 972 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,759 Speaker 1: but hopefully see's back the NFC West, because right now 973 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 1: it is getting crowded at the top with the Rams, Seahawks, 974 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,239 Speaker 1: and Cardinals all sharing the same record, effectively because of 975 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 1: the losses they have to the Cards and the Rams, 976 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,560 Speaker 1: the Seahawks are in third place. So this is a 977 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,360 Speaker 1: more important game than ever before. And I feel silly 978 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,640 Speaker 1: saying this before each game this season, but this really 979 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,400 Speaker 1: is the most important game for you, yet so important 980 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,319 Speaker 1: to win. So to understand this game a bit more 981 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,880 Speaker 1: and to understand the Cardinals a bit more, we're going 982 00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,680 Speaker 1: to take a listen to some of what head coach 983 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,480 Speaker 1: Cli Kingsbury had to say in his conference call with 984 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,919 Speaker 1: reporters earlier today. First, let's talk about that final play 985 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,239 Speaker 1: against Buffalo cut number seven. It did not our kind 986 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,759 Speaker 1: of number one receiver that we normally hit. It's kind 987 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,359 Speaker 1: of coming across the field. We roll out to our 988 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,759 Speaker 1: left and try to hit him. But you know, we 989 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,080 Speaker 1: saw Hop over there and basically said, hey, if you 990 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,640 Speaker 1: like to look on hop take that shot and Kyler, 991 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, made the play, did a tremendous shop escaping 992 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,440 Speaker 1: and buying time and put a perfect throw up there. 993 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,759 Speaker 1: But we practice that played for two years in the 994 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,359 Speaker 1: game situations, and this was the first time we ran 995 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: into the game. Dave. The first thing I have to 996 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,520 Speaker 1: say about this before I say anything about the game 997 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,520 Speaker 1: is that Kingsbury and Sean McVay are polar opposites of 998 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:48,800 Speaker 1: the pitch of their voices. Well, yeah, he's a little deeper. Yeah. 999 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,359 Speaker 1: I always thought Sean McVeigh kind of sounded like leave 1000 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,439 Speaker 1: it to beaver cleaver at a little bit. But yeah, 1001 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,000 Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting that Josh Weinfuss was telling us that. 1002 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,440 Speaker 1: And it's a great question. Jake asked, like, you know, 1003 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,200 Speaker 1: he had the whole story written, but he's talking about 1004 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,440 Speaker 1: that that Hail Mary play there, and that's that's dedication. 1005 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,080 Speaker 1: When you continue to practice plays, you know, over and 1006 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,640 Speaker 1: over and over that might not ever happen. You know, 1007 00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 1: think about the NFC Championship game. I brought that up earlier. 1008 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,960 Speaker 1: Um with the Seahawks practicing their on side kick, you know, 1009 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,120 Speaker 1: I mean, there's just these very rare situations that you know, 1010 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,399 Speaker 1: but your wise to do that every week. You know, 1011 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,360 Speaker 1: every week do your you know different things that you 1012 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,200 Speaker 1: got I remember as a coach, Jake, when I was 1013 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 1: coaching this is probably why you beat me twice when 1014 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,959 Speaker 1: I was coaching against you. But I remember going into 1015 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,399 Speaker 1: games and going, oh, man, I should have gone over 1016 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,520 Speaker 1: that during the week. But it finally paid off for him. 1017 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,640 Speaker 1: And it's just a testament to good coaching. I think, yeah, 1018 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,040 Speaker 1: it is. And that's that's the stuff that to me, 1019 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,680 Speaker 1: every coach has to have, especially at this level. There's 1020 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,960 Speaker 1: really no excuses when it comes to situational football. That's 1021 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,319 Speaker 1: where games are one in lot, third and short, fourth down, Uh, 1022 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,360 Speaker 1: you know what is going to be your number one call? 1023 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 1: What do you what are you gonna grab down there 1024 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,120 Speaker 1: in that bag when you need a big play? And 1025 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,960 Speaker 1: to me, that's where you separate the average and great coaches. 1026 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,279 Speaker 1: And certainly a great moment for the Arizona Cardinals there, 1027 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,480 Speaker 1: and it really also goes to speak to this team's 1028 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,319 Speaker 1: ability to scratch and claw back. That's something that the 1029 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,520 Speaker 1: Seahawks team has been very famous for. They have they 1030 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,600 Speaker 1: have really gained a reputation of being a dangerous team 1031 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,400 Speaker 1: that you've got to play, you know, all four quarters. 1032 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,719 Speaker 1: And I think the Arizona Cardinals has shown some of 1033 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,080 Speaker 1: that same resilience here over the last two games that 1034 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,480 Speaker 1: they've had against the Seahawks and the Buffalo Bills. Now, 1035 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,280 Speaker 1: now the Arizona Cardinals have some great weapons on offense, 1036 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,839 Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean Kingsbury is totally happy with where 1037 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,879 Speaker 1: they are cut number nine. He says he still wants 1038 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,359 Speaker 1: to see some more consistency. Um. You know, we have 1039 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,880 Speaker 1: some really great moments where we're moving the ball, playing fast, 1040 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,920 Speaker 1: playing downhill, and then tennis shoot our cells in the foot, 1041 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:05,040 Speaker 1: untimely penalties, a turnover here, I missed a sigmon there, 1042 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,359 Speaker 1: and I just feel like we can be a lot better. 1043 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,000 Speaker 1: I know there's some clos to play, some good things 1044 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:13,799 Speaker 1: going on, but I just don't think we've hit our 1045 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,960 Speaker 1: strategist yet, and that's kind of what we're working towards, Dave. 1046 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,040 Speaker 1: Are there any moments you can think of, whether it 1047 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,719 Speaker 1: be in the Cardinals game against the Seahawks earlier in 1048 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,319 Speaker 1: Week seven, or just in any Cardinals game this year 1049 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,360 Speaker 1: where you thought that's something Seattle could normally exploit. I 1050 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,680 Speaker 1: know that they lost that game, but some weaknesses on 1051 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:34,600 Speaker 1: offense where you thought that's something that could work for Seattle. Well, 1052 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,880 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you mean taking one of their plays that 1053 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,839 Speaker 1: they run and we run it. No, sorry, I mean 1054 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:45,480 Speaker 1: like when you see those inconsistencies, what kind of inconsistencies 1055 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,920 Speaker 1: do you see? I mean, what are those low points 1056 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,960 Speaker 1: that you see for Arizona that you think, you know 1057 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,799 Speaker 1: what like this isn't a world beating offense When they 1058 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,240 Speaker 1: make these kinds of mistakes, it could give Seattle's defense 1059 00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,840 Speaker 1: a chance here. Yeah, yeah, he's made a few a 1060 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,160 Speaker 1: few throws that you know are pretty errant. I'll say this, 1061 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,320 Speaker 1: he's better. He's much better as far as the quarterback 1062 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,720 Speaker 1: goes anyway, um at the rest of the NFC West 1063 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,600 Speaker 1: uh Golf and Garoppolo. As far as pressure, I mean, 1064 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't bother him as much. And that that's one thing. 1065 00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,319 Speaker 1: I think that that is something that they can They 1066 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,640 Speaker 1: can definitely take care of it. It's kind of interesting, 1067 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,360 Speaker 1: you know, the some of the plays I saw it 1068 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,920 Speaker 1: more last year where and I think Josh Weinfuss talked 1069 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,520 Speaker 1: about this that uh that you know, maybe he does 1070 00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,880 Speaker 1: get a little bit too cute, you know, he's trying 1071 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,040 Speaker 1: to you know, run all these different plays. I remember 1072 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,880 Speaker 1: last year they ran a screen up the middle, but 1073 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,120 Speaker 1: they faked it to the left, fake to the right, 1074 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,120 Speaker 1: so it's like, you know, the the guard and tackle 1075 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,880 Speaker 1: went out to one side, it just set up a screen. 1076 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,480 Speaker 1: The other side went and then they threw it down 1077 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,600 Speaker 1: the middle like a middle screen to a tight end. 1078 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,680 Speaker 1: I mean, there was a lot of stuff going on 1079 00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,520 Speaker 1: in that offense, and I think he, you know, maybe 1080 00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,279 Speaker 1: that's his weakness that you were asking about, that he 1081 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,279 Speaker 1: tries to do things that again, like Winfus said, a 1082 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,879 Speaker 1: little bit too cute, just you know, go out and execute, 1083 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,080 Speaker 1: and it's not about necessarily the play calls. I think, 1084 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,000 Speaker 1: you know, I always think about the guys like Cliff 1085 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,560 Speaker 1: Kingsbury as being the Madden era coaches, you know, where 1086 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,600 Speaker 1: they think that they can call, you know, a great 1087 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,240 Speaker 1: play like on a video game and make it happen. 1088 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,319 Speaker 1: But really what makes it happen is just the execution 1089 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,040 Speaker 1: of getting your blocks, being physical, being lower than the 1090 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,319 Speaker 1: other guy. I mean, it always comes back to those things, 1091 00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:41,840 Speaker 1: not just play calling. One more that I want to 1092 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,239 Speaker 1: get here, just shortly, is him talking about the short 1093 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,200 Speaker 1: turn around the Seahawks are going to have a similar problem. 1094 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,680 Speaker 1: Cut number eight. Here's Kingsbury on how the Cardinals are 1095 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,319 Speaker 1: handling it. Yeah, it's obviously easier to you know, get 1096 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,880 Speaker 1: back going on a short week after a win like 1097 00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,359 Speaker 1: that than if it hadn't worked out as well. So 1098 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,680 Speaker 1: I think our guys, all right, it's a tough turnaround 1099 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,560 Speaker 1: anytime you have these Thursday night games. Everybody understands that 1100 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,200 Speaker 1: and knows that. So we're trying to be smart and 1101 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,680 Speaker 1: have great mental work this week and prepare for a 1102 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,000 Speaker 1: hungry Seattle team up at their place, Jake. Outside of 1103 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,480 Speaker 1: just the physical disadvantages of working on a short week, 1104 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,560 Speaker 1: which we all know are real, we understand it. We 1105 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,719 Speaker 1: understand science and how bodies work here, But what are 1106 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,360 Speaker 1: some of the disadvantages and game planning? I mean, the 1107 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,960 Speaker 1: Seahawks know when they're going to have this Thursday night game, 1108 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,160 Speaker 1: so they've known that they have to look forward to it. 1109 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,440 Speaker 1: But is this hard to treat just like any other 1110 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,200 Speaker 1: game when you have such a quick turnaround, Well, it 1111 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,600 Speaker 1: is hard to treat it like any other game, just 1112 00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,840 Speaker 1: in the sense of your normal preparation. You have to 1113 00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,560 Speaker 1: be smart about how you go about your work and 1114 00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,080 Speaker 1: how you get your guys best ready to go because 1115 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,239 Speaker 1: there's twofold one. You can't you can't practice physically when 1116 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,239 Speaker 1: you have a Thursday night game. You can't you go 1117 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,120 Speaker 1: shoulder pads and try and create some contact during the week. 1118 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,440 Speaker 1: They just are coming off of a game. So everything 1119 00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,080 Speaker 1: is a lot of mental work and walk through tempo 1120 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,040 Speaker 1: and obviously a little bit higher than that, but you're 1121 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,959 Speaker 1: really just trying to get guys potties healthy and trying 1122 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,440 Speaker 1: to get their minds sharp to go execute on a 1123 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,000 Speaker 1: Thursday night game. So that's really where it's gonna be 1124 00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,800 Speaker 1: one and lost is how well you can prepare mentally 1125 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,400 Speaker 1: for a short turnaround. And then also, I'm gonna be 1126 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,000 Speaker 1: curious to see, you know, Cliff Kingsbury says, it's it's 1127 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,240 Speaker 1: easier after a win to get you know, ready to 1128 00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,360 Speaker 1: go for the Thursday game. Obviously it would have been 1129 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,320 Speaker 1: a tough loss for them, no doubt about it. But 1130 00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be curious how the Cardinals handle this, They 1131 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,439 Speaker 1: how they show up, how they're ready to go, because 1132 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,600 Speaker 1: as he mentioned, the Seahawks are definitely going to be motivated, 1133 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,400 Speaker 1: They're gonna be mad, They're gonna be They're gonna be 1134 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,360 Speaker 1: playing with something to prove, and so I'm curious how 1135 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: the Cardinals will come out ready to go energy wise, 1136 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,840 Speaker 1: intensity wise. Now, you guys aren't gonna want to go anywhere, 1137 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,040 Speaker 1: because coming up around one forty five, we're gonna be 1138 00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,400 Speaker 1: speaking with Seahawks defensive end Carlos Dunlap about how he's 1139 00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,640 Speaker 1: adjusting to his new team, how the defense can get 1140 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,200 Speaker 1: back on the right page year. Before we do that, though, 1141 00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,840 Speaker 1: we're going to look at the blueprint beating the Arizona Cardinals. 1142 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:08,320 Speaker 1: That's next on the huddle. This is the huddle appreciated 1143 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,600 Speaker 1: by Bigfoot four every Thursday from noon to two on 1144 00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:16,040 Speaker 1: seven ten ESPN Seattle. Welcome back to the huddle with 1145 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,440 Speaker 1: Dave Wyman, Jay Keeps, and Stacy Ros. We're gonna have 1146 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,919 Speaker 1: Carlos dun Lab joining us after Seahawks practice wraps up next. 1147 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,200 Speaker 1: But first, Dave Jake, I have a blueprint that I 1148 00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,880 Speaker 1: wrote for the Seahawks to beat the Arizona Cardinals. It's 1149 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,680 Speaker 1: very scientific, it's very well thought out, and I think 1150 00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:36,320 Speaker 1: it's foolproof. So here's my blueprint. Step one, limit Kyler Murray. 1151 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:42,560 Speaker 1: Step two limit DeAndre Hopkins step three score points. What 1152 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,000 Speaker 1: do you think is there a way you could get 1153 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,440 Speaker 1: this to Russell Wilson Jake, You're right, this is bulletproof. 1154 00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it would be the key to the game. 1155 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,400 Speaker 1: But the game plan or the blueprint, Stacy, is how 1156 00:58:55,440 --> 00:59:00,600 Speaker 1: do you do it? I think said getting us. There's 1157 00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,720 Speaker 1: your three steps right now, Dave, Dave, Now we need 1158 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,520 Speaker 1: to fill in the steps. How in the heck did 1159 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:10,000 Speaker 1: they get that done? Guys? Guess what? I just got 1160 00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:14,720 Speaker 1: back to my headphones. Can you repeat the question? Laughing? 1161 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,920 Speaker 1: Here's my Dave. That's okay. Here is my blueprint for 1162 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,560 Speaker 1: for beating the Arizona Cardinals. I know for a fact 1163 00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,440 Speaker 1: you're going to agree with me that this is full proof. 1164 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:28,960 Speaker 1: Step one limit Kyler Murray, step two limit DeAndre Hopkins, 1165 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,439 Speaker 1: step three score touchdowns. And that is how I think 1166 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,919 Speaker 1: that you can get the job done. That's brilliant. Yep, 1167 00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:45,000 Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad I missed it the first time. Wow. Well, look, 1168 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,840 Speaker 1: Pete has always talked about the giveaways, and you know 1169 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,880 Speaker 1: that's three games now where they lost the turnover battle. 1170 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, and then the other thing is 1171 00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:01,800 Speaker 1: I'm just so confused about what seemingly is I think, well, 1172 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,240 Speaker 1: I don't think it's seemingly. I think it's a talented 1173 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,800 Speaker 1: physically as far as players, they're talented on defense. But 1174 01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,200 Speaker 1: yet you see, you know, what looks like a lot 1175 01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,000 Speaker 1: of errors and things. So you know, to me, I 1176 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,000 Speaker 1: think other other teams are seeing that, and you know 1177 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,360 Speaker 1: they're they're looking at it and thinking how they can 1178 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,320 Speaker 1: exploit them. So I mean the whole thing to me, 1179 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,320 Speaker 1: But again, it starts with being physical. But then you know, 1180 01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,080 Speaker 1: just doing your assignment and doing your job. As simple 1181 01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:30,960 Speaker 1: as that sounds, and I know nobody wants to hear 1182 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,360 Speaker 1: that because that's an old Bill Belichick thing, but it's 1183 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,960 Speaker 1: very true. To me. I feel like they can beat 1184 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,320 Speaker 1: any team if they you know, and I'm not saying 1185 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,400 Speaker 1: perfect because a lot of them, you know, there's errors. 1186 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,840 Speaker 1: There's unforced errors, and then there's forced errors. And the 1187 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,160 Speaker 1: forced errors are when you have a guy like Kyler Murray, 1188 01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,160 Speaker 1: he's gonna make you miss you know, he's gonna do 1189 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,920 Speaker 1: things that are gonna beat you because he's really good. 1190 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,880 Speaker 1: But there's no point in having the unforced ones. You're 1191 01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,080 Speaker 1: gonna have a few of them, you know, And like 1192 01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:59,840 Speaker 1: I remember asking my coach one time, do you think 1193 01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:01,840 Speaker 1: I go through a whole season without missing a tackle? 1194 01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,560 Speaker 1: It's like, no, I don't think so, But you can try, 1195 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,400 Speaker 1: you know, that's for sure, you can try. So you 1196 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:11,320 Speaker 1: know that. To me, get that part down the mistakes 1197 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,280 Speaker 1: and not so much physically there this year. To me, 1198 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,280 Speaker 1: it's mentally that you're seeing that just guys aren't playing 1199 01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,280 Speaker 1: together and nobody's really been able to explain it. Have 1200 01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,080 Speaker 1: you guys heard an answer other than we just need 1201 01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,960 Speaker 1: to play together? Because the one thing that I keep 1202 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,080 Speaker 1: coming back to is like, well, look, everybody else is 1203 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,560 Speaker 1: kind of on the same page. Nobody had OTAs, nobody 1204 01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,160 Speaker 1: had preseasons. So you know, the teams that are able 1205 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,200 Speaker 1: to you know what, they always say that if they're 1206 01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,240 Speaker 1: able to do it right for the longest time, those 1207 01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,160 Speaker 1: are the guys that win. Yeah, I do think if 1208 01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,680 Speaker 1: they had more time together on defense, we'd be seeing 1209 01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,520 Speaker 1: a very different group right now. I mean, this secondary 1210 01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,160 Speaker 1: hasn't really been together that I can think of, for 1211 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:54,600 Speaker 1: a full game outside of Week one. It's just it's 1212 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,840 Speaker 1: unfortunate because it's hard to pinpoint what the problem is. 1213 01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,120 Speaker 1: You don't want to put too much of it on 1214 01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,320 Speaker 1: one person, one coach, you know, one player, when it's 1215 01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,320 Speaker 1: so multifaceted. Jake, you were making fun of my blueprint. 1216 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear yours, because you know, at least 1217 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,480 Speaker 1: in mind, I put it out there. I put myself 1218 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,920 Speaker 1: out there. No, you did, You did put it out 1219 01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:15,200 Speaker 1: there strong. My question is always the how. I am 1220 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,760 Speaker 1: the guy of I like to know the whys of football. 1221 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,040 Speaker 1: I like to know the house and how can they 1222 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:24,960 Speaker 1: get this done? And with Kyler Murray, Kyler Murray, as 1223 01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,120 Speaker 1: great as he has been this year, he's gonna give 1224 01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,800 Speaker 1: you chances. He's gonna give you opportunities to turn the 1225 01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,360 Speaker 1: ball over. And can the Seahawks defense capitalize on that. 1226 01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,720 Speaker 1: They were able to produce a couple turnovers last time 1227 01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,880 Speaker 1: around versus Kyler Murray. They are going to have to 1228 01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,280 Speaker 1: implement a spy on Kyler Murray to limit some of 1229 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,680 Speaker 1: his scrambling ability. And I think that they did a 1230 01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,280 Speaker 1: decent job of that last time around. They just need 1231 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,760 Speaker 1: to add more pressure along with that. If you remember 1232 01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,200 Speaker 1: forty eight drop back attempts and only one pressure on 1233 01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,560 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, as we were famously talking about after that week, 1234 01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,600 Speaker 1: that cannot happen, but you have to be able to 1235 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,440 Speaker 1: corral him within the pocket. Because this is an emotionally 1236 01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:10,600 Speaker 1: based team. Kyler Murray is an emotionally based player. Things 1237 01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:14,800 Speaker 1: aren't going right, They're gonna get frustrated. Defensively, they thrive 1238 01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:19,600 Speaker 1: on big plays and big moments if they can create them. 1239 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,200 Speaker 1: And the Seahawks offense, how do you limit them? Well, 1240 01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,720 Speaker 1: you don't turn the ball over. You know, Russell's got 1241 01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,000 Speaker 1: to take care of the ball. He's got to really 1242 01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,480 Speaker 1: protect it. The run game there needs to be a 1243 01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:34,360 Speaker 1: great balance, not necessarily in numbers of attempts, but how 1244 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:38,680 Speaker 1: you go about attacking it and complementing the run game. 1245 01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,200 Speaker 1: And I think that that part of it is going 1246 01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:45,120 Speaker 1: to be key as they go into this game. Let 1247 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:46,880 Speaker 1: me ask you guys this. You just said that they're 1248 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,800 Speaker 1: emotionally based. What about the defense and how much? And 1249 01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,840 Speaker 1: Jim Moore would love this because it's a human nature. 1250 01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,160 Speaker 1: Question is how he would coin that? But you know, 1251 01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,680 Speaker 1: the whole thing about bring your own juice to the 1252 01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:05,160 Speaker 1: stadium because I feel like these guys play off of 1253 01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,080 Speaker 1: a lot of emotion. Now again, everybody's going through the 1254 01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:09,919 Speaker 1: same thing, but is this team a little bit more 1255 01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,120 Speaker 1: emotional too, especially on defense. I mean, those guys for 1256 01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:18,040 Speaker 1: years had success because of you know, the juice that's 1257 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,000 Speaker 1: provided by the crowd. I just remember and now even 1258 01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,920 Speaker 1: thinking about, like when Babineau tackled Tony Romo on that 1259 01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,600 Speaker 1: fumbled extra point or field goal whatever it was, you know, 1260 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,000 Speaker 1: Jermaine Curse making that catch in the NFC Championship game. 1261 01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,400 Speaker 1: And then I remember times being out on the field 1262 01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,840 Speaker 1: in the Kingdom and it just like I didn't feel 1263 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,600 Speaker 1: a thing, Like you could have the hardest hit and 1264 01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,400 Speaker 1: you just didn't even feel it because of the adrenaline. 1265 01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,160 Speaker 1: And you know, I remember just floating off the field 1266 01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,520 Speaker 1: a few times because it was so loud and you 1267 01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,880 Speaker 1: just didn't even feel your feet hitting the ground. And 1268 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,520 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering how much of that is with these guys. 1269 01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,080 Speaker 1: They just some guys can do it. Some guys like 1270 01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,200 Speaker 1: you look at the way Pooda Ford played the other 1271 01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,720 Speaker 1: day on the road with you know, no fan noise, nothing. 1272 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,439 Speaker 1: What do you guys think? I mean I think that 1273 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,720 Speaker 1: that that has a bigger maybe a bigger effect on 1274 01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,480 Speaker 1: this team than other teams. I think it has. And 1275 01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,160 Speaker 1: that's a great point that you make Dave, because one 1276 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,000 Speaker 1: of the things that I look at with a good 1277 01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:23,280 Speaker 1: defense is the way that they react. Really good defenses 1278 01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,000 Speaker 1: talk a lot of trash. Really good defenses when they 1279 01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,600 Speaker 1: make a play, they're high five in each other, they're 1280 01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,440 Speaker 1: head butting each other, They're running all over the field. 1281 01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:35,080 Speaker 1: They are having so much fun. And when I watched 1282 01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:38,240 Speaker 1: the Seahawks defensively, I don't see that. I don't see 1283 01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:42,440 Speaker 1: that same level of juice enthusiasm. I see individual enthusiasm. 1284 01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,040 Speaker 1: I see Jamal Adams make a play and talk trash 1285 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,360 Speaker 1: to the opposing sideline, but I don't see guys coming 1286 01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,480 Speaker 1: up to them and high five in each other. And 1287 01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:54,520 Speaker 1: I don't see that closeness together. And you know, great 1288 01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:58,240 Speaker 1: example a poona Ford had a sack on Jared Goff. 1289 01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:02,520 Speaker 1: Carlos Dunlap was right there as well, and Carlos Dunlap 1290 01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,640 Speaker 1: turns around to look for somebody to high five, and 1291 01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:09,960 Speaker 1: there was nobody there, nobody, And those seem like little things. 1292 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,320 Speaker 1: But Davis, as you've been a part of defense, is 1293 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,240 Speaker 1: am I overstating that? I just feel like that is 1294 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,440 Speaker 1: such a key part of it. Is that as you 1295 01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,520 Speaker 1: play good, you feel good, You you are excited for 1296 01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,680 Speaker 1: everybody else's success. You're flying around and having fun. I 1297 01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:28,640 Speaker 1: have not seen that from this defense at a consistent level. Yeah, 1298 01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,400 Speaker 1: I guess I was just looking at how it reflects 1299 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,200 Speaker 1: on their play. But I'll have to start watching for that, Jake, 1300 01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,320 Speaker 1: because you're right. I mean, you know, if there's a crowd, 1301 01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,280 Speaker 1: everybody's you know, at least five or six guys are 1302 01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,960 Speaker 1: coming in and you know, jumping up and down and 1303 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,160 Speaker 1: hugging each other and all that stuff. So they just 1304 01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:47,080 Speaker 1: gotta you know, on our notes before our game, are 1305 01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,280 Speaker 1: you know from O'Connell who's our executive producer for the 1306 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:54,600 Speaker 1: radio program, you know, he always puts in there, bring 1307 01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,920 Speaker 1: your own juice, you know, and it's just it's just 1308 01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,920 Speaker 1: a reminder that you gotta, you know, you gotta kind 1309 01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:02,400 Speaker 1: of and even as as broadcasters too, there's not a 1310 01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,000 Speaker 1: lot of there's not crowd, you know, noise there at 1311 01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:07,880 Speaker 1: the at the stadium. So remember when Chris Carson went 1312 01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,640 Speaker 1: down in the Dallas game. I mean you could have 1313 01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,040 Speaker 1: heard a pin drop in there, and so yeah, it's 1314 01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,880 Speaker 1: just it's just not there. So you've got to you've 1315 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,800 Speaker 1: got to be able to create that on your own 1316 01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,720 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure how difficult that would be because 1317 01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,360 Speaker 1: it's almost like you're playing at a you know, a 1318 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,640 Speaker 1: really small high school type of venue. There was a 1319 01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,600 Speaker 1: little bit of it earlier in the season, and I know, 1320 01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,720 Speaker 1: we gotta go here in just one second. There's a 1321 01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,840 Speaker 1: little bit of it earlier in the season with the 1322 01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,920 Speaker 1: offense kind of creating some excitement on the sideline, jumping 1323 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,560 Speaker 1: up and down during the goal line stand against the Patriots. 1324 01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,880 Speaker 1: I believe right that might have been a similar case 1325 01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,960 Speaker 1: against Dallas where the offense is getting in it. I 1326 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,920 Speaker 1: do wonder, like sometimes I wonder if it's just this 1327 01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:51,840 Speaker 1: mental challenge that you have to have where we've all 1328 01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,400 Speaker 1: had bad days and sometimes it feels like you can't 1329 01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,000 Speaker 1: pull yourself out of it. Once you've decided to yourself, 1330 01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,280 Speaker 1: this is a bad day, everything keeps getting worse. You 1331 01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,200 Speaker 1: can't flip yourself mentally around into a positive space. I 1332 01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,440 Speaker 1: wonder if the defense has kind of gotten into that 1333 01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,920 Speaker 1: spot where it just feels like nothing we're trying is changing, 1334 01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:10,600 Speaker 1: we're keeping you know, we're still having issues and we 1335 01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:12,680 Speaker 1: got to turn this around. So we'll get a chance 1336 01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,520 Speaker 1: to talk to Carlos Dunlap about where This defense is 1337 01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:20,200 Speaker 1: next on the Huddle. This is the Huddle apprecented by 1338 01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,960 Speaker 1: the Big Foot four every Thursday from noon to two 1339 01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:28,080 Speaker 1: on ESPN Seattle. Welcome back to the Huddle with Dave Wyman, 1340 01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,600 Speaker 1: Jay Keats, and Stacy Ross. We're gonna be looking to 1341 01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,519 Speaker 1: get Carlos Dunlap off the Seahawks practice field once that 1342 01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,040 Speaker 1: wraps up in just one moment. Before we do, let's 1343 01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,120 Speaker 1: get back to talking about this defense as a whole. 1344 01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:42,439 Speaker 1: Jake and Dave, Look, I think we've accepted that this 1345 01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,320 Speaker 1: defense isn't going to be able to pull a one 1346 01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,200 Speaker 1: eighty and suddenly be great, but there's still reason to 1347 01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,240 Speaker 1: hope that against a bad kind of stretch of NFC 1348 01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:53,439 Speaker 1: East teams, you can start to improve. And honestly, I 1349 01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:56,400 Speaker 1: know that you can't really buy into those stats should 1350 01:08:56,400 --> 01:09:00,320 Speaker 1: they improve when you head into the playoffs, but I 1351 01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,639 Speaker 1: think it does a lot for confidence. I do think 1352 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,360 Speaker 1: that there's a kind of confidence in the right mentality 1353 01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:09,400 Speaker 1: that's missing from this defense right now. Dave, Yeah, and 1354 01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,880 Speaker 1: you know what, there are some people that there's some 1355 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,759 Speaker 1: encouraging signs. I've been using the word promising. Look, Carlos 1356 01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:20,040 Speaker 1: Dunlap is a really good player and you can plug 1357 01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,599 Speaker 1: him right in and he'll make plays. So is Quentin 1358 01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:27,439 Speaker 1: Dunbar now Quintin Dunbar. I think the more we see him, 1359 01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,280 Speaker 1: the more we realize that it was a lot to ask. 1360 01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,560 Speaker 1: I mean, he thought that his life was going to 1361 01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:38,599 Speaker 1: take a drastically bad turn for you know, most of 1362 01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:42,280 Speaker 1: the off season. But he's a very talented player. It's 1363 01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,479 Speaker 1: just it's his health and maybe he might be the 1364 01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,679 Speaker 1: guy that is the most important as far as bringing 1365 01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:49,080 Speaker 1: guys off. I are, by the way, cut me off 1366 01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:53,960 Speaker 1: if we get Carlos Dunlap, but but I know you will. Yeah, 1367 01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,720 Speaker 1: but you know who else? Jordan Brooks and he had 1368 01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,680 Speaker 1: a pass breakup and then actually Moyer set me a 1369 01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,759 Speaker 1: play where he actually caused a sack because of his coverage. 1370 01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,120 Speaker 1: And he has been doing and he did this and 1371 01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:09,760 Speaker 1: I did a football one on one thing on him 1372 01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,439 Speaker 1: the last time we played Arizona because he picked up 1373 01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,639 Speaker 1: a deep crosser and he was like thirty five yards 1374 01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,679 Speaker 1: down field and you know, helped break up that pass. 1375 01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,760 Speaker 1: So and he's been physical and he's one of those 1376 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,680 Speaker 1: guys that's just he attacks. So you know, there's been 1377 01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,559 Speaker 1: some good things that have come out of this. But 1378 01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I think if you had to have a 1379 01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,040 Speaker 1: couple of guys, go okay, I want you to be 1380 01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,120 Speaker 1: like this guy. And I'm not talking about style of 1381 01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:38,360 Speaker 1: play or anything. I'm just talking about toughness, enthusiasm, aggressiveness. 1382 01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,719 Speaker 1: I'd put Puna Ford up there, Jordan Brooks, kJ Wright. 1383 01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,280 Speaker 1: I mean, those guys are playing physical football and that's 1384 01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:50,880 Speaker 1: what they need on defense. Now, Dave, I've been mean 1385 01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,640 Speaker 1: to ask you, DJ Reid, if you look at this 1386 01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,760 Speaker 1: and hopefully it comes out that Shaquille Griffin is gonna 1387 01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:01,800 Speaker 1: have a chance to play in this game on Thursday, 1388 01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,479 Speaker 1: would you go with Trey Flowers or would you go 1389 01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,719 Speaker 1: with DJ Reid? Uh? You know, Pete Carroll yesterday seemed 1390 01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,639 Speaker 1: to have a lot of positive things to say about 1391 01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,880 Speaker 1: DJ Reid. Seems to be a big, big fan of 1392 01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:16,719 Speaker 1: his play. What's your thoughts there? It's a great question. 1393 01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:18,439 Speaker 1: I think I'd go with DJ Reid. Maybe I'm a 1394 01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,320 Speaker 1: little bit biased because we're playing him his interview today 1395 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,439 Speaker 1: on our show and he's just a great kid. But 1396 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,240 Speaker 1: he's playing well. He led the team in tackles and 1397 01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:30,880 Speaker 1: you know, I think he's done a pretty good job. 1398 01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,639 Speaker 1: You know, Trey had a couple of things where I'm like, 1399 01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:37,519 Speaker 1: why did you turn around? You know and look at 1400 01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:41,040 Speaker 1: the quarterback. Just the way he's playing right now, he's 1401 01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,360 Speaker 1: not very confident, And yeah, I think I would probably 1402 01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,640 Speaker 1: go with DJ Reid, But you know, look, did I 1403 01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,960 Speaker 1: break down every single play? And you know with with 1404 01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,400 Speaker 1: Trey and him, and you know there's also things at 1405 01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,280 Speaker 1: practice and just confidence and you know this, Jake. I mean, 1406 01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,920 Speaker 1: you know, the the coaches want to feel comfortable going 1407 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,200 Speaker 1: into the game and corner. Look, that's one of those 1408 01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:05,559 Speaker 1: glaring positions. I mean, you can you know, nobody's looking 1409 01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:09,080 Speaker 1: at guard or you know, even tackle or center sometimes 1410 01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,160 Speaker 1: or the D lineman, but when you're out on an 1411 01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,559 Speaker 1: island like that. And I think that there's been some 1412 01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:19,599 Speaker 1: fairly unfair criticism of Trey Flowers, but he's I think 1413 01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,040 Speaker 1: he might be disappointed in how he's playing. I thought 1414 01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:23,920 Speaker 1: he would take a step forward, and I don't think 1415 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:27,200 Speaker 1: he has. It feels like the addition of Carlos Dunlap 1416 01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,200 Speaker 1: has at least helped with that pass rush. And I 1417 01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:32,200 Speaker 1: know that all of us are trying to scramble and 1418 01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,639 Speaker 1: figure out how to be happy about increasing sacks while 1419 01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,880 Speaker 1: also be frustrated with passing yards in the secondary. I mean, 1420 01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,040 Speaker 1: is there hope they can get on the right page 1421 01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:45,360 Speaker 1: just with more time together? I mean, when are we 1422 01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,839 Speaker 1: going to start seeing what they're able to do upfront, 1423 01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,040 Speaker 1: be able to help the guys in the secondary or 1424 01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,200 Speaker 1: is that all communication where they just need to get 1425 01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,040 Speaker 1: on the right page. Well, one thing Stacy that you 1426 01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:59,920 Speaker 1: can point to is I'm excited hopefully. Yeah. Benson may 1427 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:04,479 Speaker 1: waiting to hear how he progresses to Thursday, but he 1428 01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:08,280 Speaker 1: was actually you know, upgraded from last week in terms 1429 01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:12,280 Speaker 1: of not practicing to limited practice. I think adding him 1430 01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,880 Speaker 1: to this pass rush with Carlos Dunlap is something that 1431 01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,160 Speaker 1: I've been really excited to see. And what Dunlap does 1432 01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:20,200 Speaker 1: for you is he allows your defensive line to move 1433 01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,559 Speaker 1: around a little bit. It adds more depth than you 1434 01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:26,120 Speaker 1: can see that. It's benefited Jaron Reid, It's benefited Punaford 1435 01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,880 Speaker 1: with just the ability to move around and do different things. 1436 01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:34,320 Speaker 1: And so I think overall it's a steady progression. Dunlap 1437 01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,040 Speaker 1: I think has done a very good job so far. 1438 01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:41,640 Speaker 1: I think continue steadied progression from their pass rush is 1439 01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:45,600 Speaker 1: a good sign. And hopefully once you start turning the 1440 01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,720 Speaker 1: corner here. You look at Arizona, you look at the 1441 01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,040 Speaker 1: games that they have over the next four weeks after 1442 01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,720 Speaker 1: that that hopefully this defense can really start hitting their 1443 01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,760 Speaker 1: groove on all three levels. Yeah, Dave, when I look 1444 01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,840 Speaker 1: at two, I mean, Jamal Adams said after his I'm 1445 01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,880 Speaker 1: kind of switching to the secondary a bit more. Jamal 1446 01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,840 Speaker 1: Adams said after that first game he had back that 1447 01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,479 Speaker 1: he was kind of shaken off the RUSS. This team 1448 01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,360 Speaker 1: did not have him. There were a couple guys they 1449 01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,720 Speaker 1: didn't have, Dunlap and Jamal Adams being two of those 1450 01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,120 Speaker 1: guys in that loss to the Arizona Cardinals. How much 1451 01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:18,400 Speaker 1: of a difference can they make this time around. I'll 1452 01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:22,400 Speaker 1: be interested to see how Jamal Adams if they kind 1453 01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:26,280 Speaker 1: of pair him up with Kyler Murray. You know, he 1454 01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:30,040 Speaker 1: is so quick man, that guy. I mean, he had 1455 01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,080 Speaker 1: a couple of strange plays where it was just kind 1456 01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,680 Speaker 1: of weird where it was almost like as he hesitated 1457 01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,479 Speaker 1: on the two running plays, but you know, it was 1458 01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,000 Speaker 1: just weird to me. I don't know, there was just 1459 01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,040 Speaker 1: something going on and it was almost like he had 1460 01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,479 Speaker 1: closed somebody blindfolded him for a second and then he 1461 01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:48,879 Speaker 1: came back to life or something that was very strange. 1462 01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:52,160 Speaker 1: But he makes so many plays and he doesn't stay blocked. 1463 01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,800 Speaker 1: That's the other thing. I mean, he's he'll take he'll 1464 01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,679 Speaker 1: come up and hit an offensive tackle and the guy 1465 01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,599 Speaker 1: will never even get a chance to get his hands 1466 01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,960 Speaker 1: on him because he's so quick. So I'm I'm excited 1467 01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,759 Speaker 1: to see how they use him against Kyler Murray because 1468 01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, Kyler Murray is running the ball. And let's 1469 01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:11,720 Speaker 1: talk to Carlos Dunlap. Yeah, joining us right now is 1470 01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,479 Speaker 1: Carlos Dunlap. Carlos, First of all, thanks for joining us. 1471 01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,439 Speaker 1: We really appreciate you taking the time. I'm just going 1472 01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:19,760 Speaker 1: to start with stating something I already know you know, 1473 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,120 Speaker 1: which is you guys have a ton of talent on defense. 1474 01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,080 Speaker 1: It hasn't been able to come together as far as 1475 01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,240 Speaker 1: the stats and results go. How are you guys working 1476 01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,080 Speaker 1: to get on the same page as a group right now? 1477 01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,840 Speaker 1: We just continue to work at it. I mean, we've 1478 01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,120 Speaker 1: had a little bit of adversity with injuries constantly, you know, 1479 01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,920 Speaker 1: shuffling new guys in and out. But the more and 1480 01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:42,320 Speaker 1: more repetition we get together, the better we're getting. You know, 1481 01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,280 Speaker 1: we set up down on the second half of the game, 1482 01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,639 Speaker 1: and I feel like that's more of who we want 1483 01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,679 Speaker 1: to be as a defense. But we got to start 1484 01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:53,360 Speaker 1: faster as well, so trying to put it all together. Hey, Carlos, 1485 01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,280 Speaker 1: we haven't got a chance to speak to you, but 1486 01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,400 Speaker 1: it's always cool to talk to guys that have come 1487 01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,280 Speaker 1: from other places and to talk about you know, where 1488 01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:04,120 Speaker 1: you came from so much, but just how it feels 1489 01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,360 Speaker 1: coming through the doors, the front doors of the vMac, 1490 01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:13,600 Speaker 1: and just how different it is than than other other places. 1491 01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,799 Speaker 1: It's very different. I mean, the best way to explain 1492 01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:20,519 Speaker 1: it would be um, I mean pretty much since since 1493 01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:24,080 Speaker 1: the announcement of the trade, UH Seahawks, have you know, 1494 01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,800 Speaker 1: try to make the transition as easy as possible. I've 1495 01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:30,000 Speaker 1: honestly fought, like, you know, a first round draft pick 1496 01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:36,840 Speaker 1: quarterback to be honest. Yeah, Carlos, it's been great to 1497 01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,439 Speaker 1: have you here and you bring so much experience. You've 1498 01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,719 Speaker 1: seen so much football. How have you tried to bring 1499 01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,640 Speaker 1: some of that experience to this group, to this defensive 1500 01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,920 Speaker 1: line room. I know there's lots of other good players, 1501 01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,400 Speaker 1: lots of other good guys that are there along with you, 1502 01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,320 Speaker 1: but how have you tried to help, you know, bolster 1503 01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,960 Speaker 1: this group with all the experience that you bring. It's 1504 01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:03,080 Speaker 1: definitely a young challenge group. I mean I was looking 1505 01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,040 Speaker 1: at the depth chart the other day. I didn't realize 1506 01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,519 Speaker 1: some guys were in the ears that they were in 1507 01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,080 Speaker 1: because of how they go about the work and some 1508 01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:14,000 Speaker 1: of the questions they're asking meetings. So I just try to, 1509 01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,479 Speaker 1: you know, lend my knowledge of my experience to them 1510 01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:19,720 Speaker 1: in situations that I see them in, just more so 1511 01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:23,439 Speaker 1: trying to lead by example. I mean, this team already 1512 01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:25,680 Speaker 1: is full of a bunch of leaders, so you know, 1513 01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:27,639 Speaker 1: I don't have to come in and, you know, try 1514 01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,240 Speaker 1: to force a role or anything. I just come in 1515 01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,080 Speaker 1: and try to find my way and just go about 1516 01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,160 Speaker 1: my work and demonstrate how I've gotten it done my 1517 01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:39,880 Speaker 1: eleven years. Really, now, Carlos, you didn't just jump into 1518 01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,280 Speaker 1: a new division, but a new conference. All of a sudden, 1519 01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,160 Speaker 1: you're facing back to back division foes for your new team. 1520 01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,200 Speaker 1: They didn't have you last time around against this team. 1521 01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,599 Speaker 1: How excited are you just to face the challenge of 1522 01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:56,639 Speaker 1: this Cardinals offense. I'm very excited. The Cardinals are hot. 1523 01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:59,160 Speaker 1: You know, both of us are six and three right now. 1524 01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:03,559 Speaker 1: So uh, may the best man win. The best team 1525 01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,800 Speaker 1: on Thursday night is going to be the lead dog 1526 01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:12,160 Speaker 1: in the division. So um that speaks for itself. Carlos, 1527 01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:15,799 Speaker 1: all right to two uniform questions here, namely your jersey? 1528 01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,880 Speaker 1: Why forty three? I know you couldn't have ninety six 1529 01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:21,680 Speaker 1: because of of Cortes Kennedy. And then also did you 1530 01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,720 Speaker 1: have done loped the second on your back when you 1531 01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:30,240 Speaker 1: know Cincinnati is a new edition? Uh? Well yeah, Cortez 1532 01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:34,479 Speaker 1: retired ninety six before I could, so um, I don't 1533 01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:38,120 Speaker 1: get the honor of, you know, wearing that jersey out 1534 01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:41,080 Speaker 1: of respect for him and what he's done. Um, so 1535 01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, uh, and what the COVID restrictions, A lot 1536 01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,719 Speaker 1: of the number of exchanges are not allowed during the season, 1537 01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:51,000 Speaker 1: so I was very limited in numbers, and um, uh, 1538 01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,840 Speaker 1: forty three I felt like just resonated with me when 1539 01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,160 Speaker 1: I was going on NFL shop dot com and creating 1540 01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:03,559 Speaker 1: all available numbers with my name on it. Yeah kind 1541 01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,960 Speaker 1: of how that's kind of how I narrowed it down. 1542 01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,840 Speaker 1: And then you know I'm actually from the eight four three, 1543 01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,240 Speaker 1: So I guess that's why it resonated with me. I didn't. 1544 01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:16,920 Speaker 1: I didn't recognize it until until my family pointed it out. 1545 01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:20,799 Speaker 1: But um, yeah, there's no real rhyme of a reason 1546 01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,400 Speaker 1: behind the forty three except for it was the best 1547 01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,320 Speaker 1: one that resonated with me when I created them on 1548 01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:30,040 Speaker 1: the customer jerseys on NFL shot dot com. I think, well, 1549 01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:32,800 Speaker 1: I think it worked out well, Carlos. I know that 1550 01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:34,720 Speaker 1: you know I'm speaking for everyone when I say, we're 1551 01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:36,840 Speaker 1: so bummed you can't be playing this primetime game in 1552 01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:38,920 Speaker 1: front of the twelves out there, but we know it's 1553 01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,320 Speaker 1: going to be a good one. Best of luck this Thursday. Okay, 1554 01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,439 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I'm looking forward to playing in front 1555 01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:46,920 Speaker 1: of the twelves too. Hopefully, you know there's pandemic clears, 1556 01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:51,400 Speaker 1: so when I heard there's two companies that have very 1557 01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:56,679 Speaker 1: constructive cures, So hopefully you know that deadens the spikes 1558 01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,439 Speaker 1: and COVID and we can get back to you know, 1559 01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,880 Speaker 1: doing them. But yeah, well, ideally hopefully at least allow 1560 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:04,920 Speaker 1: families to come to the games before the end of 1561 01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,360 Speaker 1: the season. That would be great. Fingers crossed. All right, 1562 01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:11,479 Speaker 1: thank you, Carlos. We appreciate you, Carlos. Thank a man 1563 01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,439 Speaker 1: that would be awesome. I mean, I know that that 1564 01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,000 Speaker 1: gave me some optimism, but there has been just this 1565 01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,960 Speaker 1: element missing and everyone listening and you guys know that too, 1566 01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,599 Speaker 1: that having the twelves out there, having the fans, it's 1567 01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,120 Speaker 1: just a different energy and I've I'm kind of thinking 1568 01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:25,760 Speaker 1: that in the back of my mind for these new guys, 1569 01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,920 Speaker 1: Tomal Adams, Carlos dunlaugh. But that'll do it for us 1570 01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,160 Speaker 1: for the huddle. This has been Dave Wyman, Jake Keeps, 1571 01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,519 Speaker 1: and Stacy Ross. You can hear us next time on 1572 01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,000 Speaker 1: seven ten ESPN Seattle,